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Professor Chaos
December 3rd, 2023, 12:39 AM
Game kicks off Friday 12/8 at 7PM MT and will be broadcast nationally on ESPN2. Winner moves on to face the winner of North Dakota State and #3 South Dakota.

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uofmman1122
December 3rd, 2023, 03:05 AM
Game will be Friday night on ESPN2

FUBeAR
December 3rd, 2023, 03:34 AM
Current game time forecast…just a little chilly…NBD

https://i.postimg.cc/vTvNRsf2/IMG-1005.jpg

apaladin
December 3rd, 2023, 03:40 AM
Link please I can’t find it anywhere?

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FUBeAR
December 3rd, 2023, 03:41 AM
Link please I can’t find it anywhere?

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https://gogriz.com/sports/football/schedule

apaladin
December 3rd, 2023, 03:43 AM
https://gogriz.com/sports/football/schedule
Thanks

FUBeAR
December 3rd, 2023, 08:28 AM
First Fun Furman Fact…

Furman’s Offensive Coordinator, Justin Roper, a native of Metro Atlanta (Buford HS), played QB for Montana in 2009 & 2010, after transferring from Oregon. Roper was also a member of the Griz Hoops squad in the 2009-10 season.

https://furmanpaladins.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/justin-roper/704

FUBeAR is certain that Coach Roper is excited about his return to Missoula this coming week.

Professor Chaos
December 3rd, 2023, 10:42 AM
Current game time forecast…just a little chilly…NBD

https://i.postimg.cc/vTvNRsf2/IMG-1005.jpg
Looks like a loud forecast....

FUBeAR
December 3rd, 2023, 10:54 AM
Looks like a loud forecast....
Paladins know loud...


https://youtu.be/X50GmoVsDEY?feature=shared

https://youtu.be/_zt8UyAi6b0?feature=shared

Snow...not so much.

Silenoz
December 3rd, 2023, 11:16 AM
Game will be Friday night on ESPN2
Nice. Short week + late hours for an EST team + elements. Couldn't ask for any more of an advantage.

POD Knows
December 3rd, 2023, 11:20 AM
Nice. Short week + late hours for an EST team + elements. Couldn't ask for any more of an advantage.Don't **** it up

caribbeanhen
December 3rd, 2023, 11:27 AM
First Fun Furman Fact…

Furman’s Offensive Coordinator, Justin Roper, a native of Metro Atlanta (Buford HS), played QB for Montana in 2009 & 2010, after transferring from Oregon. Roper was also a member of the Griz Hoops squad in the 2009-10 season.

https://furmanpaladins.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/justin-roper/704

FUBeAR is certain that Coach Roper is excited about his return to Missoula this coming week.

if needed, I can provide a tabular iceberg below the Antarctic circle if you wanna practice up in the elements

MR. CHICKEN
December 3rd, 2023, 11:31 AM
DON'T TRUST DUH WEATHER REPORTS....FOOBIE!......AWK!

Grizalltheway
December 3rd, 2023, 11:39 AM
DON'T TRUST DUH WEATHER REPORTS....FOOBIE!......AWK!
There's an old saying around here, if you don't like the weather, wait 5 minutes, it'll change.

The largest recorded temperature change in one place over a 24-hour period occurred on January 15, 1972 in Loma, Montana, when the temperature rose from −54 to 49 °F (−47.8 to 9.4 °C) . The most dramatic temperature changes occur in North American climates susceptible to Chinook winds.

FUBeAR
December 3rd, 2023, 11:42 AM
Nice. Short week + late hours for an EST team + elements. Couldn't ask for any more of an advantage.
Nah - not really

Short Week / Preparation - FU had an extra half-day of preparation on the Griz - The lights were on in the Coaching Offices in GVL from 4:06 PM when the Chatt game ended until...well, they still haven't left. Also, FU played Chatt just 4 weeks ago. They were working on prepping for Montana most of last week. The Chatt gameplan hay was in the barn in early November.

Late Hours - C'mon man - these are young college men - FUBeAR did almost ALL of his best work during late nights when he was in college. FUBeAR bets that maybe Silenoz did as well. No worries there.

Noise / Loud - already covered that - 78,281 @ USC this season and 78,302 @ Clemson in '22. 20,580 is fantastic for FCS Football, but it's 'Tuesday' for Furman's Players

Elements
_____Cold - Current forecast of low- to mid- 20's Temps AND "Feels like" is something, but not much. Players won't notice that after the 1st series. If the forecast is wrong and it gets down into the teens (or lower) with whipping, skin-freezing winds, then...Yep - that would matter.
use
_____Precipitation - Current forecast of none other than a few possible pre-game flurries won't really matter. If that changes to anything like last night, then... Yep - that would matter.


As it stands...the Better Team that PLAYS Better will win this game - as it should be.

If the weather forecast changes, that would be unfortunate because no Team should have to play Playoff Football in horrid weather conditions for Football.


It's just wrong and should be remedied. FBS Playoffs don't have 'Arctic Circle' games and FCS Playoffs should not either. It impairs the overall brand of the subdivision. (Added just in case any of our evil NCAA overlords are reading along).

Grizalltheway
December 3rd, 2023, 11:47 AM
Nah - not really

Short Week / Preparation - FU had an extra half-day of preparation on the Griz - The lights were on in the Coaching Offices in GVL from 4:06 PM when the Chatt game ended until...well, they still haven't left. Also, FU played Chatt just 4 weeks ago. They were working on prepping for Montana most of last week. The Chatt gameplan hay was in the barn in early November.

Late Hours - C'mon man - these are young college men - FUBeAR did almost ALL of his best work during late nights when he was in college. FUBeAR bets that maybe Silenoz did as well. No worries there.

Noise / Loud - already covered that - 78,281 @ USC this season and 78,302 @ Clemson in '22. 20,580 is fantastic for FCS Football, but it's 'Tuesday' for Furman's Players

Elements
_____Cold - Current forecast of low- to mid- 20's Temps AND "Feels like" is something, but not much. Players won't notice that after the 1st series. If the forecast is wrong and it gets down into the teens (or lower) with whipping, skin-freezing winds, then...Yep - that would matter.
use
_____Precipitation - Current forecast of none other than a few possible pre-game flurries won't really matter. If that changes to anything like last night, then... Yep - that would matter.


As it stands...the Better Team that PLAYS Better will win this game - as it should be.

If the weather forecast changes, that would be unfortunate because no Team should have to play Playoff Football in horrid weather conditions for Football.


It's just wrong and should be remedied. FBS Playoffs don't have 'Arctic Circle' games and FCS Playoffs should not either. It impairs the overall brand of the subdivision. (Added just in case any of our evil NCAA overlords are reading along).
Save your tears for after the game. xrolleyesx

FUBeAR
December 3rd, 2023, 11:50 AM
Save your tears for after the game. xrolleyesxFUBeAR's objections to the current structure of the FCS Playoffs are historically well-documented and go well beyond the scope of this one game.

As it stands...the Better Team that PLAYS Better will win this game - as it should be.

PaladinNation
December 3rd, 2023, 11:59 AM
I've had Furman playing in Missoula on my bucket list for a long time.
My Dad grew up not too far from Missoula. We always talked about going back so he could visit his old home.
Win or lose, I'm excited to soak in the atmosphere of Washington-Grizzly and yell for this Furman team at least one more time.
Go DINS!

caribbeanhen
December 3rd, 2023, 12:26 PM
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Furman practice field sighted adrift of South Carolina … get on it

TheKingpin28
December 3rd, 2023, 12:29 PM
I just don't see how Montana does not blow off the doors in this game.

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Professor Chaos
December 3rd, 2023, 01:21 PM
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NY Crusader 2010
December 3rd, 2023, 01:36 PM
Rematch of a I-AA title game in the late 90's or early 2000's? I seem to remember Montana-Furman in Chatty one year.

apaladin
December 3rd, 2023, 01:39 PM
Rematch of a I-AA title game in the late 90's or early 2000's? I seem to remember Montana-Furman in Chatty one year.

2001 Current Florida head coach Billy Napier was Furman qb. 13-6 Montana.

NY Crusader 2010
December 3rd, 2023, 01:40 PM
Nice. Short week + late hours for an EST team + elements. Couldn't ask for any more of an advantage.

Ask William & Mary how that combo worked out for them last year. Hopefully Furman brings the right footwear.

I'd love to see the all-time records of road teams in the FCS playoffs in games where it snowed.

FUBeAR
December 3rd, 2023, 01:50 PM
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53373252138_62b05d3651_o.jpgWhy are you graphing the dominant characteristics of Mrs. FUBeAR? What does she have to do with the Furman @ Montana Playoff game?

Grizzlies82
December 3rd, 2023, 02:29 PM
I've had Furman playing in Missoula on my bucket list for a long time.
My Dad grew up not too far from Missoula. We always talked about going back so he could visit his old home.
Win or lose, I'm excited to soak in the atmosphere of Washington-Grizzly and yell for this Furman team at least one more time.
Go DINS!


Happy that this is coming together for you!
No doubt you will enjoy the experience.
Best of luck to your kids, but...
GO GRIZ!

FU_Paladin08
December 3rd, 2023, 02:35 PM
This should be quite the productive thread this week. Can’t wait for the pissing contest to end and the game to begin.

uofmman1122
December 3rd, 2023, 02:46 PM
Really excited for this game. I just love the playoffs because we get to play teams that we rarely ever see. Fun little homecoming (although plenty of Griz fans would say it's not lol) for Furman OC Justin Roper.

On paper we should roll again, but I'm sure Furman doesn't think so and will do their best to take us down.

If any FU fans make the trip, I hope you enjoy it!

CrunchGriz
December 3rd, 2023, 04:24 PM
Justin Roper was known to many Griz fans as 'Justin OverThrowper' (for obvious reasons). He split QB duties his senior season with Adam Selle, and is remembered by many of us for a particular game-ending wounded giraffe fumble against Eastern Washington that resulted in a humiliating loss to the Eagles. He's not hated; just sort of 'Meh...' to most Griz fans. He sort of rubbed Griz fans the wrong way by wearing Oregon Ducks gear for his NFL tryout, despite transferring from there to end his career at Montana. Probably a nice guy and a fine coordinator--just recounting how he's viewed by many in Montana.

PaladinNation
December 3rd, 2023, 04:24 PM
Several parents I talked to at the Chatty game have already made plans for Montana.
I know I had flights researched and ready to click. Not sure how many of us will be there.

Ivytalk
December 3rd, 2023, 04:26 PM
End of the line for the Furples.

Dusty Kitten
December 3rd, 2023, 06:29 PM
It looks like both teams run a similar offense
This could be interesting

JSUSoutherner
December 3rd, 2023, 07:00 PM
End of the line for the Furples.
One and done.

A SoCon specialty.

Mocs123
December 3rd, 2023, 07:46 PM
One and done.

A SoCon specialty.

Don't you have a Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl forum to troll? At least the Paladins are still playing for something meaningful - a National Championship.

fencer24
December 3rd, 2023, 08:00 PM
Nah - not really

Short Week / Preparation - FU had an extra half-day of preparation on the Griz - The lights were on in the Coaching Offices in GVL from 4:06 PM when the Chatt game ended until...well, they still haven't left. Also, FU played Chatt just 4 weeks ago. They were working on prepping for Montana most of last week. The Chatt gameplan hay was in the barn in early November.

Late Hours - C'mon man - these are young college men - FUBeAR did almost ALL of his best work during late nights when he was in college. FUBeAR bets that maybe Silenoz did as well. No worries there.

Noise / Loud - already covered that - 78,281 @ USC this season and 78,302 @ Clemson in '22. 20,580 is fantastic for FCS Football, but it's 'Tuesday' for Furman's Players

Elements
_____Cold - Current forecast of low- to mid- 20's Temps AND "Feels like" is something, but not much. Players won't notice that after the 1st series. If the forecast is wrong and it gets down into the teens (or lower) with whipping, skin-freezing winds, then...Yep - that would matter.
use
_____Precipitation - Current forecast of none other than a few possible pre-game flurries won't really matter. If that changes to anything like last night, then... Yep - that would matter.


As it stands...the Better Team that PLAYS Better will win this game - as it should be.

If the weather forecast changes, that would be unfortunate because no Team should have to play Playoff Football in horrid weather conditions for Football.


It's just wrong and should be remedied. FBS Playoffs don't have 'Arctic Circle' games and FCS Playoffs should not either. It impairs the overall brand of the subdivision. (Added just in case any of our evil NCAA overlords are reading along).

Football is a manly and therefore outdoors sort of sport. It is a test of strength, will and endurance. That's why they should outlaw domed stadiums. Domes are all part of an insidious communist plot to make American youth weaker.

FUBeAR
December 3rd, 2023, 08:28 PM
Football is a manly and therefore outdoors sort of sport. It is a test of strength, will and endurance. That's why they should outlaw domed stadiums. Domes are all part of an insidious communist plot to make American youth weaker.
Agreed

Mocs123
December 3rd, 2023, 08:48 PM
Agreed

And (despite the Mocs playing on turf) should be played on natural grass.

Silenoz
December 4th, 2023, 12:46 AM
Justin Roper was known to many Griz fans as 'Justin OverThrowper' (for obvious reasons). He split QB duties his senior season with Adam Selle, and is remembered by many of us for a particular game-ending wounded giraffe fumble against Eastern Washington that resulted in a humiliating loss to the Eagles. He's not hated; just sort of 'Meh...' to most Griz fans. He sort of rubbed Griz fans the wrong way by wearing Oregon Ducks gear for his NFL tryout, despite transferring from there to end his career at Montana. Probably a nice guy and a fine coordinator--just recounting how he's viewed by many in Montana.
They also have Drew Dudzik on staff
https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/406mtsports.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/2/9b/29ba6b12-9592-59ca-95c3-c520cb1dc809/5f23633ab6a40.image.png

FUBeAR
December 4th, 2023, 04:38 AM
They also have Drew Dudzik on staff
https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/406mtsports.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/2/9b/29ba6b12-9592-59ca-95c3-c520cb1dc809/5f23633ab6a40.image.png

Yessir - That’s a great pic of Furman’s Coach Dudzik getting the ball across the goal line & scoring vs. Montana in the FCS Playoffs. He’s head-over-heels excited to be Coaching Furman’s excellent Wide Receivers to also get the ball into the endzone in a Playoff game against Montana, as he did, himself, 3 times that day. https://furmanpaladins.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/drew-dudzik/710

And…while we’re looking at history, we should look at the most recent time a Team from South Carolina played @ Montana in the Playoffs.


https://youtu.be/Mtk4f5eiAH0?feature=shared

The temp that day was -5 with 10 mph winds. Interestingly, CCU’s QB that day & the STAR of the game, has a little Paladin DNA in him. Ross’ Uncle Drew, is an FU Alum & a former roommate of FUBeAR’s.


And, while we’re mushing our way along this historical ‘Playoff Iditarod,’ perhaps we should also take a look at what happened the most recent time a SoCon Team from South Carolina played @ Montana in the Playoffs. This is the Montana version (AKA Communist propagandized version), which shows only the plays that were a bit, um, “wide left” of how the game actually played out. So, you really only need to watch the last minute or so to get a sense of Montana’s fate in Playoff games at home vs. Teams from SC and SoCon Teams from SC.


https://youtu.be/ESbsyi7KXnA?feature=shared

FWIW - The game time temperature was 13 that day.

wcugrad95
December 4th, 2023, 07:40 AM
Montana should win this game - why they play 1 game on Friday and the other 3 on Saturday, and in that 1 game send a team from the South up to Montana for a 10 PM (for the Furman player’s body clocks) kick seems odd. The Friday game could have just been on Saturday. I know other teams have to travel as well, but if you have to play one Friday night game make it between the teams that have to travel the least and are staying in their own timezones.

All that said, I have a hard time seeing Furman being blown out. They are well coached, have a very good defense, and I think will keep this a relatively close game. Remember if Huff plays in their last regular season game FU would have most likely been the #2 or at worst #3 seed and would be hosting the quarterfinal game (probably against NDSU). So Furple will not be some kind of pushover.

FUBeAR
December 4th, 2023, 08:07 AM
FUBeAR recently learned that size really matters to men from the Big Sky and MVFC Conferences, so he decided to give you men what you know you want....

A thorough measuring....




Furman

Montana

Difference (FU - UM)




HT
WT
HT
WT
HT
WT



Overall Roster
73
219
74
223
-1
-4



Overall O&D Starters
74
238
74
235
0
3



Overall O&D 2-Deep
74
232
74
232
0
0
Interesting - both Teams 2-Deeps average EXACTLY the same HT/WT












Overall Roster - Offense
74
223
75
233
-1
-10



Offense Starters
75
251
75
249
0
2



Offense 2-Deep
74
243
75
246
-1
-3



OL Starters
76
301
76
300
0
1



OL 2-Deep
76
298
77
295
-1
3













Overall Roster - Defense
73
217
74
215
-1
2



Defense Starters
73
225
73
221
0
4



Defense 2-Deep
73
222
73
219
0
3



D-Front (DL + LB) Starters
75
259
75
244
0
15



D-Front (DL + LB) 2-Deep
74
256
74
238
0
18



DL Starters
76
271
74
257
2
14



DL 2-Deep
74
266
75
248
-1
18








-4
66
Total Diff







-0.27
4.4
Avg Diff


Sources: Online Rosters AND Most Recent Games' Published Depth Charts


Bottom Line Analysis...

Both Teams are about the same size.

Furman goes a bit heavier on the DL, but it appears that Montana is primarily 3-3-5 and Furman runs a hybrid mix of 4-2-5 and 3-3-5, so that may explain the difference there - the only place in this analysis that indicated a significant difference.

Basically, this analysis is a waste of time, but if it keeps FUBeAR from having to read endless posts about how huge and dominating Montana is / Big Sky Teams are...then it was well worth the time it took to do it.

Also - if you have a request for something you'd like to compare roster-wise between these 2 Teams, FUBeAR should be able to spin up most requests pretty quickly...HFBU.

MR. CHICKEN
December 4th, 2023, 08:16 AM
.......IS THERE A CHART...FOR HOW THE BALL........WILL ACTUALLY BOUNCE..........BRAWK?

FU_Paladin08
December 4th, 2023, 08:53 AM
Montana should win this game - why they play 1 game on Friday and the other 3 on Saturday, and in that 1 game send a team from the South up to Montana for a 10 PM (for the Furman player’s body clocks) kick seems odd. The Friday game could have just been on Saturday. I know other teams have to travel as well, but if you have to play one Friday night game make it between the teams that have to travel the least and are staying in their own timezones.

All that said, I have a hard time seeing Furman being blown out. They are well coached, have a very good defense, and I think will keep this a relatively close game. Remember if Huff plays in their last regular season game FU would have most likely been the #2 or at worst #3 seed and would be hosting the quarterfinal game (probably against NDSU). So Furple will not be some kind of pushover.

🤫shhhhhh…let them think Furman is as bad as Delaware.

FUBeAR
December 4th, 2023, 09:26 AM
On paper we should roll
Where is this paper of which you speak? Is it this?

https://i.postimg.cc/HnbVT3c6/FU-UM-Stats-cropped.jpg

FUBeAR sees 2 fairly closely matched Teams on THIS paper. FU Avg Rank is 39 and UM Avg Rank is 30.

And he saw 2 closely matched Teams on the Roster analysis 'paper’ (Post #41).

Guess we're talking Mr. Massey's & Mr. Sagarin's "paper"...maybe? (Massey says Griz 29-14 with 88% probability of win...not sure 29-14 is "rolling," but maybe it is. Sagarin still has MTSt ahead of MT and has APSU 13 spots ahead of Furman (who just thumped Chatt, who just beat APSU). FUBeAR puts 0 eggs in that basket.)

Anyway .... Doesn't really matter, of course - FUBeAR is just wondering about the "paper" source of your "we should roll" shaped assessment.

Grizalltheway
December 4th, 2023, 10:27 AM
Yessir - That’s a great pic of Furman’s Coach Dudzik getting the ball across the goal line & scoring vs. Montana in the FCS Playoffs. He’s head-over-heels excited to be Coaching Furman’s excellent Wide Receivers to also get the ball into the endzone in a Playoff game against Montana, as he did, himself, 3 times that day. https://furmanpaladins.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/drew-dudzik/710

And…while we’re looking at history, we should look at the most recent time a Team from South Carolina played @ Montana in the Playoffs.


https://youtu.be/Mtk4f5eiAH0?feature=shared

The temp that day was -5 with 10 mph winds. Interestingly, CCU’s QB that day & the STAR of the game, has a little Paladin DNA in him. Ross’ Uncle Drew, is an FU Alum & a former roommate of FUBeAR’s.


And, while we’re mushing our way along this historical ‘Playoff Iditarod,’ perhaps we should also take a look at what happened the most recent time a SoCon Team from South Carolina played @ Montana in the Playoffs. This is the Montana version (AKA Communist propagandized version), which shows only the plays that were a bit, um, “wide left” of how the game actually played out. So, you really only need to watch the last minute or so to get a sense of Montana’s fate in Playoff games at home vs. Teams from SC and SoCon Teams from SC.


https://youtu.be/ESbsyi7KXnA?feature=shared

FWIW - The game time temperature was 13 that day.
Meh, at least Wofford was a playoff team that year. You lost to them when their only previous win was against *checks notes* 0-11 The Citadel. xlolx

Christiank22
December 4th, 2023, 10:27 AM
Montana is going to absolutely bully Furman. This will be over by the middle of the 3rd

gotts
December 4th, 2023, 10:34 AM
Montana is going to absolutely bully Furman. This will be over by the middle of the 3rd

I agree with the Sagarin predictor of around a 21 point game.

FUBeAR
December 4th, 2023, 10:37 AM
Meh, at least Wofford was a playoff team that yearYes…but Montana was NOT after a SoCon Team from South Carolina came into Missoula and scheduled the Griz’ Uniform Turn-In Day for them.

PaladinNation
December 4th, 2023, 10:49 AM
Montana is going to absolutely bully Furman. This will be over by the middle of the 3rd
No doubt you've never watched a second of a Furman game.
One thing a Clay Hendrix coached team is - they play physical.

FUBeAR
December 4th, 2023, 10:50 AM
why they play 1 game on Friday and the other 3 on Saturday, and in that 1 game send a team from the South up to Montana for a 10 PM (for the Furman player’s body clocks) kick seems odd. The Friday game could have just been on Saturday. I know other teams have to travel as well, but if you have to play one Friday night game make it between the teams that have to travel the least and are staying in their own timezones.

Nah…Furman was thrilled to get the Friday game. 1 more day to prepare for the Paladins semi-final home game against the bizuns.

Everyone in GVL is excited about hosting the formerly dominant NDSU Team and their legendary band of traveling fans next weekend.

Grizalltheway
December 4th, 2023, 11:10 AM
Yes…but Montana was NOT after a SoCon Team from South Carolina came into Missoula and scheduled the Griz’ Uniform Turn-In Day for them.
So since they and CC managed to win in the adverse conditions that you've already been whining about, I trust that you won't use them as an excuse when the inevitable happens on Friday?

FUBeAR
December 4th, 2023, 11:24 AM
So since they and CC managed to win in the adverse conditions that you've already been whining about, I trust that you won't use them as an excuse when the inevitable happens on Friday?
There's no "already" to it.

FUBeAR's position on the matter has been clearly stated for years. FCS Playoff Football should not have then, and should not now, take place in the weather that CCU and Wofford, as well as Montana's Student Athletes, were forced to endure.

You logic would say that because an intended victim was able to dodge the bullet of a perpetrator with murderous intent, disarm the perp, and shoot the perp in the head, then there was no crime committed by the perp. Playing Playoff Football in that weather is a crime against the Student Athletes on the field and the Subdivision as a whole, regardless of the outcome of any game.

If the current forecast does not 'hold' and the weather turns to ridiculously cold, windy, snowy, etc., then it will be regrettable for all involved, regardless of the outcome of this game.

caribbeanhen
December 4th, 2023, 11:28 AM
There's no "already" to it.

FUBeAR's position on the matter has been clearly stated for years. FCS Playoff Football should not have then, and should not now, take place in the weather that CCU and Wofford, as well as Montana's Student Athletes, were forced to endure.

You logic would say that because an intended victim was able to dodge the bullet of a perpetrator with murderous intent, disarm the perp, and shoot the perp in the head, then there was no crime committed by the perp. Playing Playoff Football in that weather is a crime against the Student Athletes on the field and the Subdivision as a whole, regardless of the outcome of any game.

If the current forecast does not 'hold' and the weather turns to ridiculously cold, windy, snowy, etc., then it will be regrettable for all involved, regardless of the outcome of this game.

I agree but you were excited about some Vanilla Sky (SPM) teams headed down to Shrimp boiling weather this past August

FUBeAR
December 4th, 2023, 11:33 AM
I agree but you were excited about some Vanilla Sky (SPM) teams headed down to Shrimp boiling weather this past August
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Not sure to what you are referring, but which PLAYOFF games were they in August?

caribbeanhen
December 4th, 2023, 11:46 AM
Not sure to what you are referring, but which PLAYOFF games were they in August?

You’ll be dreaming of a hazy lazy southern August day

Silenoz
December 4th, 2023, 11:53 AM
@fubear So what I'm gathering is that as long we're not playing a triple option team - our kryptonite - or refusing to use any sort of heating devices or sleeves or coats for the coldest game in program history (Coastal), then we shouldn't be losing a nailbiter upset at home? xlolx

I'm not saying this will be a blowout, but trying to draw too many comparisons to those 2007 or 2014 teams is a mistake. Those were both pretty mediocre Griz teams. The high seed we got in 2007 was pretty controversial around these parts due to our horrid schedule. Whereas this 2023 squad is one of the better ones we've rolled out in the last 20 years.

I'll say Griz by 7.

Anyone have the Griz's record in quarterfinal home games on hand? It's pretty lopsided...

uofmman1122
December 4th, 2023, 11:58 AM
@fubear So what I'm gathering is that as long we're not playing a triple option team - our kryptonite - or refusing to use any sort of heating devices or sleeves or coats for the coldest game in program history (Coastal), then we shouldn't be losing a nailbiter upset at home? xlolx

I'm not saying this will be a blowout, but trying to draw too many comparisons to those 2007 or 2014 teams is a mistake. Those were both pretty mediocre Griz teams. The high seed we got in 2007 was pretty controversial around these parts due to our horrid schedule. Whereas this 2023 squad is one of the better ones we've rolled out in the last 20 years.

I'll say Griz by 7.

Anyone have the Griz's record in quarterfinal home games on hand? It's pretty lopsided...
It's something like a whole lot - 0. We've never lost a quarterfinal game at home.

Doesn't mean we won't lose this one, but anyone trying to argue history here is barking up the wrong tree.

Silenoz
December 4th, 2023, 12:07 PM
It's something like a whole lot - 0. We've never lost a quarterfinal game at home.

Doesn't mean we won't lose this one, but anyone trying to argue history here is barking up the wrong tree.
The funny part is that I'm sure all of us were there in person to see us lose to Wofford, Coastal, WIU, UMass, etc. So it's not like we need educating on the upset home losses in the elements where the other team was "supposed" to wilt under the loud and cold.

This could be one of those games. Maybe, maybe not. I'd say the odds are long, but you never know.

But we've also seen more than a few 41-14 kinds of games where the other team's fans assured us that none of those things would matter, and they were gonna come into town and punch us in the mouth. I'm having major deja vu right now xlolx

FUBeAR
December 4th, 2023, 12:15 PM
Anyone have the Griz's record in quarterfinal home games on hand? It's pretty lopsided...

In the 24/8 Playoff structure era (2013 - 2022 (excluding 2020)) ...

* All Home Teams' records in Quarterfinal games is 26-10 (.722).
* Big Sky Teams have lost the most of those 10 Home Quarterfinal losses with 3 (SacState to UIW '22, Weber to Maine '18, EWU to ISUr '14)
* Montana has never played in a Quarterfinal Home game
* Montana is 0-2 (.000) in Quarterfinal games (loss @ JMU '21, loss @ Weber '19)
* Montana is 4-1 (.800) at Home (loss to CCU Rd2 '13, wins over EWU Rd2 '21, SELA Rd2 '19, SDSU Rd1 '15, and San Diego Rd1 '14)

That's all FUBeAR can tell ya...

FUBeAR
December 4th, 2023, 12:22 PM
We've never lost a quarterfinal game at home.Haven't officially played in one since 2009.

...but FUBeAR did find the answer to the prior query...

10-0 from 1989 - 2009

0-0 since 2009

Grizalltheway
December 4th, 2023, 12:25 PM
There's no "already" to it.

FUBeAR's position on the matter has been clearly stated for years. FCS Playoff Football should not have then, and should not now, take place in the weather that CCU and Wofford, as well as Montana's Student Athletes, were forced to endure.

You logic would say that because an intended victim was able to dodge the bullet of a perpetrator with murderous intent, disarm the perp, and shoot the perp in the head, then there was no crime committed by the perp. Playing Playoff Football in that weather is a crime against the Student Athletes on the field and the Subdivision as a whole, regardless of the outcome of any game.

If the current forecast does not 'hold' and the weather turns to ridiculously cold, windy, snowy, etc., then it will be regrettable for all involved, regardless of the outcome of this game.
Seriously? You're one step away from invoking Godwin's law here.xlolx Bottom line, if Furman wanted to play in balmy conditions, they shouldn't have lost to Wofford or scheduled a bodybag/paycheck game.

Dusty Kitten
December 4th, 2023, 12:28 PM
Seriously? You're one step away from invoking Godwin's law here.xlolx Bottom line, if you wanted Furman to play in balmy conditions, you shouldn't have lost to Wolford or scheduled a bodybag/paycheck game.

Lolz...
you got me you son of a b!tch, I laughed out loud

FUBeAR
December 4th, 2023, 12:29 PM
if you wanted Furman to play in balmy conditions, you shouldn't have lost to Wolford or scheduled a bodybag/paycheck game.
FUBeAR's position on this topic has nothing to do with Furman or with this game.

You don't seem capable of understanding or processing that, as it's now been repeated several times. FUBeAR will not be repeating it again.

Silenoz
December 4th, 2023, 12:30 PM
In the 24/8 Playoff structure era (2013 - 2022 (excluding 2020)) ...

* All Home Teams' records in Quarterfinal games is 26-10 (.722).
* Big Sky Teams have lost the most of those 10 Home Quarterfinal losses with 3 (SacState to UIW '22, Weber to Maine '18, EWU to ISUr '14)
* Montana has never played in a Quarterfinal Home game
* Montana is 0-2 (.000) in Quarterfinal games (loss @ JMU '21, loss @ Weber '19)
* Montana is 4-1 at Home (loss to CCU Rd2 '13, wins over EWU Rd2 '21, SELA Rd2 '19, SDSU Rd1 '15, and San Diego Rd1 '14)

That's all FUBeAR can tell ya...
Dancing around it, eh?

Eastern Illinois.......................................... ...................... W 25-19
McNeese State .................................................. ............... W 30-28
Georgia Southern .................................................. ........... W 45-0
East Tennessee State .................................................. ..... W 44-14
Richmond.......................................... .............................. W 37-17
Sam Houston State .................................................. ....... W 49-24
New Hampshire .................................................. ............ W 47-17
Southern Illinois.......................................... .....................W, 20-3
Weber State............................................. .........................W, 24-12
Stephen F. Austin............................................ ..................W, 51-0
Northern Iowa# .................................................. ............W, 48-10

Now, I'm not saying some game from a million years ago has some direct correlation with what happens on Friday. But I am saying that our teams that are good enough to get this far generally have good outcomes in Montana December elements.

Silenoz
December 4th, 2023, 12:33 PM
Haven't officially played in one since 2009.

...but FUBeAR did find the answer to the prior query...

10-0 from 1989 - 2009

0-0 since 2009
Oh, we do have that one game that was redacted due to players receiving a free hot dog from some parent xlolx


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsAaLzQwS74

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4CFwv3iB08

Grizalltheway
December 4th, 2023, 12:54 PM
FUBeAR's position on this topic has nothing to do with Furman or with this game.

You don't seem capable of understanding or processing that, as it's now been repeated several times. FUBeAR will not be repeating it again.
You can repeat it until you turn blue, but not a single person here is buying it..
But moving on, what is your proposed solution to this perceived problem? Montana isn't allowed to host games if it's below freezing and/or snowing? UM should be forced to build a retractable roof on the stadium? All playoff games held at neutral sites in the south? I'm all ears.

dbackjon
December 4th, 2023, 01:02 PM
Grizzlies by 15

wapiti
December 4th, 2023, 01:03 PM
I predict PAIN for Furman.

FUBeAR
December 4th, 2023, 01:10 PM
what is your proposed solution to this perceived problem? I'm all ears.
Many different ways to resolve that issue. Outside the scope of this thread though. Might make for an interesting off-season thread.

uofmman1122
December 4th, 2023, 01:16 PM
Haven't officially played in one since 2009.

...but FUBeAR did find the answer to the prior query...

10-0 from 1989 - 2009

0-0 since 2009
That's a nice roundabout way of saying undefeated at home in the quarterfinals, thank you.

Christiank22
December 4th, 2023, 01:17 PM
That's a nice roundabout way of saying undefeated at home in the quarterfinals, thank you.

Well you see games that long ago don’t matter unless it’s a game in which Montana lost then it’s a perfect predictor of how Furman beats Montana. Logic.

PaladinNation
December 4th, 2023, 01:20 PM
Seriously? You're one step away from invoking Godwin's law here.xlolx Bottom line, if Furman wanted to play in balmy conditions, they shouldn't have lost to Wofford or scheduled a bodybag/paycheck game.

I don't understand your comment: "scheduled a bodybag/paycheck game."
I guess you're talking about Furman playing at South Carolina for a paycheck and or that game led to our eventual loss to Wofford?
The only player that got injured of note was our #2 running back Grant Robinson, who did play this past weekend.
Furman plays an SEC or ACC team every year and I've never seen one of those games turn into a bodybag game.
I do remember seeing a lot of Gamecocks limp off the field.

FUBeAR
December 4th, 2023, 01:22 PM
That's a nice roundabout way of saying undefeated at home in the quarterfinals, thank you.
Well...Bobby Riggs was undefeated against women until he faced Billie Jean King a little over a decade after he retired from competitive tennis.

It's been a little over a decade since Montana had a Home Quarterfinal game.

Seems comparable.

FU_Paladin08
December 4th, 2023, 01:25 PM
The weather is part of winning home field advantage. It’s like have a 13th man out there. This hasn’t been a concern lately because SDSU and UM (without domes) have not been hosting these games. The new practice facility should soften those Griz and help even the field going forward.

Whatever, play the games and both teams have to deal with the conditions. Yea it stinks for the weather to impact what on paper should be an absolute battle, but Furman has had to play games in tropical storms. We can’t all have domes, and this isn’t FBS where the final games are neutral site domes.

FUBeAR
December 4th, 2023, 01:25 PM
I don't understand your comment: "scheduled a bodybag/paycheck game."
I guess you're talking about Furman playing at South Carolina for a paycheck and or that game led to our eventual loss to Wofford?
The only player that got injured of note was our #2 running back Grant Robinson, who did play this past weekend.
Furman plays an SEC or ACC team every year and I've never seen one of those games turn into a bodybag game.
I do remember seeing a lot of Gamecocks limp off the field.
Nope - Our MT friend was referring to Furman taking a near-certain L @ South Carolina vs. padding our record by playing a D2 and a Non-Schollie Team OOC as the Griz did. Their loss to NAU is their Woffy, but they 'covered' that with cupcake icing...and, thus, were gifted the #2 Seed by the Committee.

uofmman1122
December 4th, 2023, 01:26 PM
Well...Bobby Riggs was undefeated against women until he faced Billie Jean King a little over a decade after he retired from competitive tennis.

It's been a little over a decade since Montana had a Home Quarterfinal game.

Seems comparable.
You're right, a much better indicator of whether or not we'll win this game is that Eastern Illinois lost in 2013 as the #2 seed to a #7 seed. History really is on your side here. lmao

FUBeAR
December 4th, 2023, 01:31 PM
You're right, a much better indicator of whether or not we'll win this game is that Eastern Illinois lost in 2013 as the #2 seed to a #7 seed. History really is on your side here. lmao
Another good call, but FUBeAR thinks the Riggs vs. King / Griz Home Quarterfinal 'gap' comparison yields a much higher coefficient of determination.

uofmman1122
December 4th, 2023, 01:32 PM
Nope - Out MT friend was referring to Furman taking a near-certain L @ South Carolina vs. padding our record by playing a D2 and a Non-Schollie Team OOC as the Griz did. Their loss to NAU is their Woffy, but they 'covered' that with cupcake icing...and, thus, were gifted the #2 Seed by the Committee.
Actually we covered that by beating 3 top 10 teams and going 7-0 to end the year. Sorry you guys couldn't beat a 1-9 team a week before the playoffs started.

uofmman1122
December 4th, 2023, 01:36 PM
Another good call, but FUBeAR thinks the Riggs vs. King / Griz Home Quarterfinal 'gap' comparison yields a much higher coefficient of determination.
I suppose adding meaningless nonsense to a model technically raises the R², you're correct. lol

caribbeanhen
December 4th, 2023, 01:50 PM
Another good call, but FUBeAR thinks the Riggs vs. King / Griz Home Quarterfinal 'gap' comparison yields a much higher coefficient of determination.

looking back on the Riggs King match up, who was the man and who was the woman ?

Grizalltheway
December 4th, 2023, 02:51 PM
Nope - Our MT friend was referring to Furman taking a near-certain L @ South Carolina vs. padding our record by playing a D2 and a Non-Schollie Team OOC as the Griz did. Their loss to NAU is their Woffy, but they 'covered' that with cupcake icing...and, thus, were gifted the #2 Seed by the Committee.
NAU finished 5-6, Wofford 2-9, with one of those wins over a winless team. If you can’t bring yourself to argue in good faith, I'm afraid we're done here. Good luck on Friday.xthumbsupx

FU_Paladin08
December 4th, 2023, 03:38 PM
NAU finished 5-6, Wofford 2-9, with one of those wins over a winless team. If you can’t bring yourself to argue in good faith, I'm afraid we're done here. Good luck on Friday.xthumbsupx

Both teams have a bad loss. Neither QB starting on Friday played in those losses. Both teams are in the quarterfinals, and look nothing like the ones that lost this season. Anyone that judges either team on their FCS loss will be in for a rude awakening Friday night.

FUBeAR
December 4th, 2023, 03:52 PM
Both teams have a bad loss. Neither QB starting on Friday played in those losses. Both teams are in the quarterfinals, and look nothing like the ones that lost this season. Anyone that judges either team on their FCS loss will be in for a rude awakening Friday night.
VERY NICE call out, but not entirely 100% accurate…

Huff DNP @ Wofford

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KnightoftheRedFlash
December 4th, 2023, 04:58 PM
Win it for Charlemange!

GRIZ1948
December 4th, 2023, 05:26 PM
Nah - not really

Short Week / Preparation - FU had an extra half-day of preparation on the Griz - The lights were on in the Coaching Offices in GVL from 4:06 PM when the Chatt game ended until...well, they still haven't left. Also, FU played Chatt just 4 weeks ago. They were working on prepping for Montana most of last week. The Chatt gameplan hay was in the barn in early November.

Late Hours - C'mon man - these are young college men - FUBeAR did almost ALL of his best work during late nights when he was in college. FUBeAR bets that maybe Silenoz did as well. No worries there.

Noise / Loud - already covered that - 78,281 @ USC this season and 78,302 @ Clemson in '22. 20,580 is fantastic for FCS Football, but it's 'Tuesday' for Furman's Players

Elements
_____Cold - Current forecast of low- to mid- 20's Temps AND "Feels like" is something, but not much. Players won't notice that after the 1st series. If the forecast is wrong and it gets down into the teens (or lower) with whipping, skin-freezing winds, then...Yep - that would matter.
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_____Precipitation - Current forecast of none other than a few possible pre-game flurries won't really matter. If that changes to anything like last night, then... Yep - that would matter.


As it stands...the Better Team that PLAYS Better will win this game - as it should be.

If the weather forecast changes, that would be unfortunate because no Team should have to play Playoff Football in horrid weather conditions for Football.


It's just wrong and should be remedied. FBS Playoffs don't have 'Arctic Circle' games and FCS Playoffs should not either. It impairs the overall brand of the subdivision. (Added just in case any of our evil NCAA overlords are reading along).

Football is an outdoor game not one to be played inside a dome in cold weather. If Furman didn't want to come to Montana and play a quarter final game in the playoffs they should have won their last regular season game. Both teams play in the same weather conditions during the game,

FUBeAR
December 4th, 2023, 05:59 PM
Football is an outdoor game not one to be played inside a dome in cold weather. If Furman didn't want to come to Montana and play a quarter final game in the playoffs they should have won their last regular season game. Both teams play in the same weather conditions during the game,
Not sure why you quoted FUBeAR’s post and then stated this. They seem unrelated. But…let’s wade in… 1 last time.

* Hate domes - played in ETSU’s once. It was stupid.

* There’s no mention of “Furman not wanting…” whatever that’s supposed to mean. The final comment in the post you quoted which FUBeAR thinks, perhaps, you are referencing with this comment has nothing to do with Furman or Montana or this game or this season. It is an overarching opinion FUBeAR has held for years.

* “Both Teams play in the same weather …” - sure and it sux for the Student Athletes on both Teams and for the FCS Brand. And, also, while the statement is true, it does not tell the whole story. Let’s say we have an Indoor Volleyball Team and that Team has played all of their games on a wooden court…and now goes into the Playoffs, but…surprise, they are playing 1 game against a Beach Volleyball Team on sand to determine if they advance. Both Teams, as you stated, are ‘playing in the same conditions’ - on sand. But, no one would ever seriously posit that the Beach Volleyball Team didn’t have a significant advantage over the Indoor Team. This is not entirely dissimilar to Teams from the South playing in the frigid and/or inclement weather that can prevail in the Upper MW & the PacNW in December against Teams that play and ‘live’ in such weather. It’s not good Football weather for anyone. It may have been fine when the Packers faced the Bears in ‘63, but Football is a different game now. Final analogy…it’s like holding an Olympic Swimming Event in a wave pool. That would never happen. It would be stupid. So is playing modern Football in likely blizzards and likely temps in the Teens or lower.

wapiti
December 4th, 2023, 06:40 PM
Not sure why you quoted FUBeAR’s post and then stated this. They seem unrelated. But…let’s wade in… 1 last time.

* Hate domes - played in ETSU’s once. It was stupid.

* There’s no mention of “Furman not wanting…” whatever that’s supposed to mean. The final comment in the post you quoted which FUBeAR thinks, perhaps, you are referencing with this comment has nothing to do with Furman or Montana or this game or this season. It is an overarching opinion FUBeAR has held for years.

* “Both Teams play in the same weather …” - sure and it sux for the Student Athletes on both Teams and for the FCS Brand. And, also, while the statement is true, it does not tell the whole story. Let’s say we have an Indoor Volleyball Team and that Team has played all of their games on a wooden court…and now goes into the Playoffs, but…surprise, they are playing 1 game against a Beach Volleyball Team on sand to determine if they advance. Both Teams, as you stated, are ‘playing in the same conditions’ - on sand. But, no one would ever seriously posit that the Beach Volleyball Team didn’t have a significant advantage over the Indoor Team. This is not entirely dissimilar to Teams from the South playing in the frigid and/or inclement weather that can prevail in the Upper MW & the PacNW in December against Teams that play and ‘live’ in such weather. It’s not good Football weather for anyone. It may have been fine when the Packers faced the Bears in ‘63, but Football is a different game now. Final analogy…it’s like holding an Olympic Swimming Event in a wave pool. That would never happen. It would be stupid. So is playing modern Football in likely blizzards and likely temps in the Teens or lower.

and what about the band playing in the cold???? Whose band will play better in the cold??

fencer24
December 4th, 2023, 08:53 PM
Not sure why you quoted FUBeAR’s post and then stated this. They seem unrelated. But…let’s wade in… 1 last time.

* Hate domes - played in ETSU’s once. It was stupid.

* There’s no mention of “Furman not wanting…” whatever that’s supposed to mean. The final comment in the post you quoted which FUBeAR thinks, perhaps, you are referencing with this comment has nothing to do with Furman or Montana or this game or this season. It is an overarching opinion FUBeAR has held for years.

* “Both Teams play in the same weather …” - sure and it sux for the Student Athletes on both Teams and for the FCS Brand. And, also, while the statement is true, it does not tell the whole story. Let’s say we have an Indoor Volleyball Team and that Team has played all of their games on a wooden court…and now goes into the Playoffs, but…surprise, they are playing 1 game against a Beach Volleyball Team on sand to determine if they advance. Both Teams, as you stated, are ‘playing in the same conditions’ - on sand. But, no one would ever seriously posit that the Beach Volleyball Team didn’t have a significant advantage over the Indoor Team. This is not entirely dissimilar to Teams from the South playing in the frigid and/or inclement weather that can prevail in the Upper MW & the PacNW in December against Teams that play and ‘live’ in such weather. It’s not good Football weather for anyone. It may have been fine when the Packers faced the Bears in ‘63, but Football is a different game now. Final analogy…it’s like holding an Olympic Swimming Event in a wave pool. That would never happen. It would be stupid. So is playing modern Football in likely blizzards and likely temps in the Teens or lower.

I believe you are saying that there would be no home field advantage for any school that doesn't play somewhere you would be comfortable. But isn't that one of the reasons to play well enough to host? Besides, it would be educational for you to come visit the Missoula area. Broaden your horizons so to speak.

gofurman
December 4th, 2023, 08:54 PM
Paladins know loud...


https://youtu.be/X50GmoVsDEY?feature=shared

https://youtu.be/_zt8UyAi6b0?feature=shared

Snow...not so much.

Montana may beat us bad but their noise/volume isn’t NEAR the SEC ACC ( Clemson USC etc ) we play. Watch that USC Video. It’s crazy how loud the SEC gets to play even an FCS school. Our FBS are just different. I’ve been to FBS even Oregon and it’s not CLOSE - it was embarrassing - vs even the university of South Carolina. Brought an Oregon die hard to a South Carolina game. He was. SHOCKED. Oregon at 10-2 was quiet compared to South Carolina at 6-6.

what’s wrong with big time FBS out there?

last CFP winners. UGA. UGA. BAMA. BAMA. Clemson. Clemson. Ohio State. Auburn. Something wrong with FBS in north and west. At the top level it’s all about the Southland. Just no enthusiasm for FBS out there either.

fencer24
December 4th, 2023, 08:55 PM
Well, it's good to know that won't be used as an excuse.

gofurman
December 4th, 2023, 09:04 PM
One and done.

A SoCon specialty.

funny considering FURMAN BEAT JSU BOTH TIMES WE PLAYED EM. Lol. JSU IDIOTS

nothing to do w Furman v Montana. Kinda like Hooty Hoo. Always chirping and always losing. Furman beat KSU this year. Not sure I heard from HOOTY HOO

FURMAN BEAT JSU twice in 2000s. Only two times we played em. Apparently STILL bothers this dude. Lol. Grow up.

move on to FBS. have fun in G5. This is not your board anymore

gofurman
December 4th, 2023, 09:08 PM
Don't you have a Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl forum to troll? At least the Paladins are still playing for something meaningful - a National Championship.

this. SO MUCH THIS. Lose or win all FCS play for a natty. JSU now plays for the “cheez-it poulan weed eater 7th place G5” bowl

get on the right forum. Been nice beating you. So long

Preferred Walk-On
December 4th, 2023, 09:12 PM
I believe you are saying that there would be no home field advantage for any school that doesn't play somewhere you would be comfortable. But isn't that one of the reasons to play well enough to host? Besides, it would be educational for you to come visit the Missoula area. Broaden your horizons so to speak.

Sorry, don't mean to hijack this thread with a non-game related post, but couldn't help myself.

According to this interpretation of other posts, which I believe is probably a correct interpretation, that would mean that the Fargodome really has provided NO advantage for the Bison for the past decade+, right? Therefore, people shouldn't complain about the Bison playing at home, as it provides no additional elements and the sound in the dome is nowhere near FBS. Therefore, I would like to hear the explanation for why it is an advantage, when a bunch of posts seem to indicate otherwise.

Anyway, carry on with the Grizzlies v. Paladins. Really looking forward to that game on Friday evening!

PaladinNation
December 4th, 2023, 09:14 PM
Much respect by CCH and the FU players for Montana…
Let's go DINS!
https://www.youtube.com/live/_OvpcSsPIQE?si=nyn4r2CFyaz2c3XI

TrooperCoats
December 4th, 2023, 09:48 PM
This thread is dumb. No one is even talking about who got to buy tickets first.

FU_Paladin08
December 4th, 2023, 10:36 PM
It’ll be tough to get this thread back on track. IS IT FRIDAY NIGHT YET?!?!?

fencer24
December 4th, 2023, 10:38 PM
Sorry, don't mean to hijack this thread with a non-game related post, but couldn't help myself.

According to this interpretation of other posts, which I believe is probably a correct interpretation, that would mean that the Fargodome really has provided NO advantage for the Bison for the past decade+, right? Therefore, people shouldn't complain about the Bison playing at home, as it provides no additional elements and the sound in the dome is nowhere near FBS. Therefore, I would like to hear the explanation for why it is an advantage, when a bunch of posts seem to indicate otherwise.

Anyway, carry on with the Grizzlies v. Paladins. Really looking forward to that game on Friday evening!

I think Fubar's point is that if you are playing outside and the weather is bad, you need to go somewhere nice. Fargodome is an excellent proof of my point. You play for homefield advantage, whether in a dome or out in the open. Homefield is something you earn, not something to be adjudicated to make sure everyone is happy.

Grizzlies82
December 4th, 2023, 10:54 PM
Montana should win this game - why they play 1 game on Friday and the other 3 on Saturday, and in that 1 game send a team from the South up to Montana for a 10 PM (for the Furman player’s body clocks) kick seems odd. The Friday game could have just been on Saturday. I know other teams have to travel as well, but if you have to play one Friday night game make it between the teams that have to travel the least and are staying in their own timezones.

All that said, I have a hard time seeing Furman being blown out. They are well coached, have a very good defense, and I think will keep this a relatively close game. Remember if Huff plays in their last regular season game FU would have most likely been the #2 or at worst #3 seed and would be hosting the quarterfinal game (probably against NDSU). So Furple will not be some kind of pushover.


Agreed. No idea why they don't have the Friday game with the two nearest schools (NDSU & So Dakota).

Also agree, Furman won't be an easy out. Their defense looks legit, and supposedly the QB is the golden boy. Should be a good game.

uofmman1122
December 4th, 2023, 10:55 PM
“Both Teams play in the same weather …” - sure and it sux for the Student Athletes on both Teams and for the FCS Brand.
Speak for yourself, our team loves playing in the elements at home. The fact that it sucks for you guys is the whole point, though. lol

Grizzlies82
December 4th, 2023, 11:09 PM
Well...Bobby Riggs was undefeated against women until he faced Billie Jean King a little over a decade after he retired from competitive tennis.

It's been a little over a decade since Montana had a Home Quarterfinal game.

Seems comparable.


That is some pretty good work there FuBear

Silenoz
December 5th, 2023, 12:32 AM
This thread is dumb. No one is even talking about who got to buy tickets first.
Is that like the time EWU sent me the special promo code to buy tickets to UM-EWU before "all the Griz fans could get them." So I shared it with all of the Griz fans. Nice work USD.

FUBeAR
December 5th, 2023, 02:13 AM
This thread is dumb. No one is even talking about who got to buy tickets first.
…or about all of the problems with the Gophers

PaladinNation
December 5th, 2023, 04:57 AM
Agreed. No idea why they don't have the Friday game with the two nearest schools (NDSU & So Dakota).

Also agree, Furman won't be an easy out. Their defense looks legit, and supposedly the QB is the golden boy. Should be a good game.

I'm not sure Huff is a golden boy or a choir boy for that matter.
Base on what I've watched - I watch both Montana schools games when I can on the deuce.
I'd say Huff is similar to the two MSU quarterbacks packaged together, but more twitchy, and more compact, Huff is 6-1 216.
Huff is a fiery, tough player… and at times his own worst enemy, he doesn't back down from delivering a hit.
Ya'll should enjoy watching him play.

PaladinNation
December 5th, 2023, 05:56 AM
Pausing from pissing match stuff for a moment.

I've seen several Grizzly games this season, I'm excited to watch the Griz play in person. From what Ive seen your QB, and both RBs are special. Your receivers appear to be special too, and I love the way ya'll use them - it's weird, Furman and Montana do similar things just in different packages. And the Griz defense is nasty, and dominant.

My question for Griz fans, give me a name of a player or two on offense and defense that I should watch?
Doesn't have to be a star, maybe just a guy that YOU enjoying watching play.

I have quite a few favorites on this Furman team.

On defense:
#93 Jack Barton DE 6-4 260 (Jack always seems to be in the middle of the action)
https://twitter.com/JackFBarton/status/1730273773633273995

# 24 Cally Chizik SPUR 5-9 183 (Cally will be the smallest player on the field for the DINS, but he's still a baller)
https://twitter.com/PaladinFootball/status/1599174395007668224

#43 Braden Gilby ILB 6-2 228 (Gilby is a blue-collar style linebacker, loves to hit)
https://twitter.com/PaladinFootball/status/1723424338651513044

Offense:
#55 Jake Johanning OG 6-3 276 (Jake is the soul of the Paladin o-line. He's a physical, athletic guard, I'd keep an eye out for him)

#12 Luke Shiflett WR 6-2 201 (Luke was a highly-recruited QB, but broke his ankle his senior year, he originally signed with MTSU. Luke is not as flashy as Harris (2) and Dean (11). He's more a possession-receiver as well as a very good blocker)
https://twitter.com/PaladinFootball/status/1710725119000129929

If he plays #28 Grant Robinson RB 6-0 215 (Grant is one of three running backs from Texas. Grant was our #2 back, injured in the Carolina game. He played Saturday, and looked great before getting dinged up. Grant is a shifty big back. I think Grant is the only question mark to play.)
https://twitter.com/PaladinFootball/status/1596611142419447810

MTGRIZ
December 5th, 2023, 10:10 AM
Alex Gubner our DT, was Big Sky Defensive player of the year, not a lot of huge stats but he just disrupts the inside of the line and is a monster to deal with.

The Yo Show
December 5th, 2023, 10:55 AM
Not sure why you quoted FUBeAR’s post and then stated this. They seem unrelated. But…let’s wade in… 1 last time.

* Hate domes - played in ETSU’s once. It was stupid.

* There’s no mention of “Furman not wanting…” whatever that’s supposed to mean. The final comment in the post you quoted which FUBeAR thinks, perhaps, you are referencing with this comment has nothing to do with Furman or Montana or this game or this season. It is an overarching opinion FUBeAR has held for years.

* “Both Teams play in the same weather …” - sure and it sux for the Student Athletes on both Teams and for the FCS Brand. And, also, while the statement is true, it does not tell the whole story. Let’s say we have an Indoor Volleyball Team and that Team has played all of their games on a wooden court…and now goes into the Playoffs, but…surprise, they are playing 1 game against a Beach Volleyball Team on sand to determine if they advance. Both Teams, as you stated, are ‘playing in the same conditions’ - on sand. But, no one would ever seriously posit that the Beach Volleyball Team didn’t have a significant advantage over the Indoor Team. This is not entirely dissimilar to Teams from the South playing in the frigid and/or inclement weather that can prevail in the Upper MW & the PacNW in December against Teams that play and ‘live’ in such weather. It’s not good Football weather for anyone. It may have been fine when the Packers faced the Bears in ‘63, but Football is a different game now. Final analogy…it’s like holding an Olympic Swimming Event in a wave pool. That would never happen. It would be stupid. So is playing modern Football in likely blizzards and likely temps in the Teens or lower.

How is it bad for the brand? As a fan, I ABSOLUTELY love going to cold weather games and watching games with snow on the ground, like YSU's miraculous win at Eastern Washington, or last week's game between Montana and Delaware. Being from Ohio, the most used feature in Madden back in the day among my friend group was setting the game to snow conditions... You are going to find out there are differing opinions on this topic. Some people hate cold games, some love them. To me, its football weather. That said, I respect your opinion despite our disagreement xthumbsupx

The Yo Show
December 5th, 2023, 10:58 AM
P.S. I actually preferred when our Thanksgiving Day Turkey Bowls were snowy and cold as opposed to warm. Never played high school or college ball, but when younger, I much preferred the later season cold games to the early season hot ones... my $.02

FUBeAR
December 5th, 2023, 11:32 AM
How is it bad for the brand? As a fan, I ABSOLUTELY love going to cold weather games and watching games with snow on the ground, like YSU's miraculous win at Eastern Washington, or last week's game between Montana and Delaware. Being from Ohio, the most used feature in Madden back in the day among my friend group was setting the game to snow conditions... You are going to find out there are differing opinions on this topic. Some people hate cold games, some love them. To me, it’s football weather. That said, I respect your opinion despite our disagreement xthumbsupx
FUBeAR is weary of weather talk. Forecast is fine. Let’s put the ball down and butt heads like Billy goats!

Silenoz
December 5th, 2023, 12:02 PM
My question for Griz fans, give me a name of a player or two on offense and defense that I should watch?
Doesn't have to be a star, maybe just a guy that YOU enjoying watching play.

Riley Wilson #42 LB. He's not the star of the defense (that would be Gubner and Hill), and he's not #37 (that's Janacero), but he might be the most fun to watch on the pass rush.

Gillman and Bergen are the two stars on offense (and special teams for Bergen). If we have big plays it's likely to be one of them.

FUBeAR
December 5th, 2023, 12:44 PM
To assist FUBeAR's fellow Paladin, PaladinNation, and since he had all of this handy, here is Montana's 2 Deep Sorted by D 1's & 2's / O and 1's and 2's.

FUBeAR has highlighted the ones mentioned, so you'll have their number and other info handy.


#
FNAME


LNAME


YR
O/D/S
POS
D-FRNT
DPTH
HT
WT
HOMETOWN
ST
HIGH SCHOOL


0
Kale (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/kale-edwards/6772)

Edwards
R-Jr.
D
DE
x
1
77
235
Coeur d’Alene
ID
Coeur d’Alene HS


3
TraJon (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/trajon-cotton/6764)

Cotton
R-Sr.
D
S-Nkl

1
73
204
Sacramento
CA
Inderkum HS


4
Nash (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/nash-fouch/6779)

Fouch
R-Sr.
D
FS

1
74
207
Woodinville
WA
Woodinville HS


8
Corbin (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/corbin-walker/6833)

Walker
Sr.
D
CB

1
71
183
Renton
WA
Hazen Senior HS


13
Ryder (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/ryder-meyer/6814)

Meyer
R-Jr.
D
SS

1
69
184
Fairfield
MT
Fairfield HS


27
Trevin (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/trevin-gradney/6783)

Gradney
R-Jr.
D
CB

1
72
188
Billings
MT
Billings West HS


35
Braxton (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/braxton-hill/6790)

Hill
Sr.
D
LB
x
1
74
225
Anaconda
MT
Anaconda HS


37
Levi (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/levi-janacaro/6795)

Janacaro
R-Sr.
D
LB
x
1
72
235
Missoula
MT
Big Sky HS


44
Ryan (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/ryan-tirrell/6830)

Tirrell
R-Jr.
D
LB
x
1
74
230
Missoula
MT
Loyola Sacred Heart


48
Hayden (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/hayden-harris/6842)

Harris
R-Jr.
D
DE
x
1
77
252
Mill Creek
WA
Eastside Catholic HS


99
Alex (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/alex-gubner/6787)

Gubner
R-Sr.
D
NG
x
1
75
284
West Hills
CA
Chaminade Prep


2
Ronald (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/ronald-jackson/6843)

Jackson
R-So.
D
CB

2
73
190
Detroit
MI
Belleville HS


5
Garrett (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/garrett-graves/6784)

Graves
R-Sr.
D
SS

2
75
210
Eureka
MT
Lincoln County HS


10
TJ (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/tj-rausch/6821)

Rausch
R-So.
D
S-Nkl

2
75
203
Missoula
MT
Sentinel HS


25
Jaxon (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/jaxon-lee/6803)

Lee
Jr.
D
FS

2
73
211
Missoula
MT
Sentinel HS


33
Carson (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/carson-rostad/6825)

Rostad
Jr.
D
LB
x
2
75
229
Hamilton
MT
Hamilton HS


39
Jace (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/jace-klucewich/6798)

Klucewich
R-So.
D
CB

2
70
171
Frenchtown
MT
Sentinel HS


42
Riley (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/riley-wilson/6846)

Wilson
R-So.
D
LB
x
2
74
224
Prosper
TX
Prestonwood Christian HS


47
Kellen (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/kellen-detrick/6768)

Detrick
R-So.
D
NG
x
2
75
244
Havre
MT
Havre HS


54
Tyler (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/tyler-flink/6776)

Flink
R-Sr.
D
LB
x
2
71
225
Missoula
MT
Big Sky HS


56
Garrett (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/garrett-hustedt/6793)

Hustedt
R-Jr.
D
DE
x
2
74
245
Omaha
NE
Mount Michael Benedictine


98
Matai (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/matai-mata'afa/6969)

Mata'afa
R-So.
D
DE
x
2
73
230
Lahaina
HI
Lahainaluna HS


5
Junior (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/junior-bergen/6755)

Bergen
Jr.
O
WR

1
71
180
Billings
MT
Senior HS


6
Keelan (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/keelan-white/6837)

White
R-Jr.
O
WR

1
74
185
North Vancouver
BC
Handsworth Secondary


10
Eli (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/eli-gillman/6781)

Gillman
R-Fr.
O
RB

1
72
206
Dassel
MN
Dassel-Cokato HS


14
Aaron (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/aaron-fontes/6777)

Fontes
Jr.
O
WR

1
73
170
Oxnard
CA
Oxnard HS


17

Clifton (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/clifton-mcdowell/6960)

McDowell
Sr.
O
QB

1
76
224
Spring
TX
Spring HS


55
Chris (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/chris-walker/6861)

Walker
R-Sr.
O
OT

1
78
304
Lincoln
NE
East HS


57
AJ (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/aj-forbes/6778)

Forbes
R-Sr.
O
C

1
74
300
Bellevue
NE
West HS


66
Brandon (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/brandon-casey/6762)

Casey
Jr.
O
OT

1
77
305
Sandpoint
ID
Sandpoint HS


76
Journey (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/journey-grimsrud/6785)

Grimsrud
R-So.
O
OG

1
75
291
Huntley
MT
Huntley Project HS


79
Liam (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/liam-brown/6760)

Brown
R-So.
O
OG

1
77
301
Beaverton
OR
Sunset HS


84
Evan (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/evan-shafer/6973)

Shafer
Jr.
O
TE

1
77
278
Connersville
IN
Connersville HS


2
Drew (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/drew-deck/6767)

Deck
R-So.
O
WR

2
69
165
Kalispell
MT
Glacier HS


4

Ryan (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/ryan-simpson/6828)

Simpson
R-Jr.
O
WR

2
78
208
Bozeman
MT
Bozeman Senior HS


8
Keali'i (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/keali'i-ah%20yat/6847)

Ah Yat
Fr.
O
QB

2
73
181
Kaneohe
HI
Kamehameha HS


9
Sawyer (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/sawyer-racanelli/6819)

Racanelli
R-Jr.
O
WR

2
75
204
Brush Prairie
WA
Hockinson HS


26
Nick (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/nick-ostmo/6817)

Ostmo
Sr.
O
RB

2
72
218
Portland
OR
Lincoln HS


61
Hunter (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/hunter-mayginnes/6808)

Mayginnes
R-Sr.
O
OG

2
77
317
Chandler
AZ
Hamilton HS


69
Cannon (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/cannon-panfiloff/6844)

Panfiloff
R-So.
O
OT

2
78
285
Roy
UT
Roy HS


73
Colin (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/colin-dreis/6771)

Dreis
R-Jr.
O
OT

2
79
270
Tucson
AZ
Salpointe Catholic HS


74
Kukila (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/kukila-lincoln/6805)

Lincoln
R-So.
O
OG

2
77
285
Kamuela
HI
Hawaii Prep Academy


75
Declan (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/declan-mccabe/6809)

McCabe
R-So.
O
C

2
76
290
Waco
TX
Midway HS


88
Erik (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/erik-barker/6752)

Barker
Jr.
O
TE

2
76
245
Keizer
OR
McNary HS


44
44
44
44
44
44
12
44
74
232
44
44
44

Silenoz
December 5th, 2023, 12:48 PM
Well, I guess I should mention McDowell too. I'm not going to say he's single-handedly responsible for turning our season around, but... he kind of is. QB play at Montana has been uneven (or even bad) for most of the last decade. Sneed and Lucas Johnson had their moments, but overall the offense hasn't worked this well since 2011, and that's because of what he can bring to the table with extending plays or running the ball.

There's more to it than that, including a LOT of changes we've made to the offense during the offseason and even during the season, but McDowell deserves a lot of credit.

WCU-Cats!
December 5th, 2023, 01:01 PM
This will be 2013 all over again in Missoula, Paladins will boat race the little teddy bears

Silenoz
December 5th, 2023, 01:09 PM
This will be 2013 all over again in Missoula, Paladins will boat race the little teddy bears
Pretty sure we've never been "boatraced" in a WaGriz playoff game. Seems like a stretch.

uofmman1122
December 5th, 2023, 01:26 PM
Pretty sure we've never been "boatraced" in a WaGriz playoff game. Seems like a stretch.
TBF, it was 35-14 at halftime in that CCU game, and 42-21 until there were 8 minutes left in the game.

This Griz team is a lot better than that 2013 team, though.

FUBeAR
December 5th, 2023, 01:29 PM
Pretty sure we've never been "boatraced" in a WaGriz playoff game. Seems like a stretch.
Dunno - down 3 scores at half and down 3 scores halfway thru the 4th quarter the most recent time a Team from South Carolina came there for a Playoff game..seems to be tracking pretty darn close to the 'boat-racing' marina.

https://goccusports.com/sports/football/stats/2013/montana/boxscore/2387


Thank you, uofmman - you boat-raced FUBeAR in getting that info posted. :D

AppApp
December 5th, 2023, 01:49 PM
I have a hard time seeing Montana keeping this game close, just not a ton of talent on that Montana roster anymore, think all the northern talent is in the Dakotas these days. If officiating is level this should be Furman win by 2 scores or more and a happy flight back to the Carolinas to face NDSU at home in the semifinals.

Big Sky likes to think they are on the level of Missouri Valley but the truth is they have not had a team even come close to being a Champion since EWU in 2011.
The fact is the Big Sky is very much on the exact same level as the SoCon, probably even a tier lower most years.
It was a solid season for Montana but they will just have to bite off way more than they can chew just to compete and keep it close in this one.

I've not been down to Furman for a game in a long while, but might have to get over there for that semifinal game against NDSU next weekend.

FUBeAR
December 5th, 2023, 01:51 PM
Well, I guess I should mention McDowell too. I'm not going to say he's single-handedly responsible for turning our season around, but... he kind of is. QB play at Montana has been uneven (or even bad) for most of the last decade. Sneed and Lucas Johnson had their moments, but overall the offense hasn't worked this well since 2011, and that's because of what he can bring to the table with extending plays or running the ball.

There's more to it than that, including a LOT of changes we've made to the offense during the offseason and even during the season, but McDowell deserves a lot of credit.
Serious question - Reckon why McDowell wasn't able to make all the difference at his prior 3 schools (Louisiana, Kilgore JC, Central Arkansas) over 4 seasons as he has once he landed in the Big Sky Conference?

@ Central Arkansas 2022...
Rushing Statistics


Season
GP
ATT
YDS
TD
Long
AVG/A
AVG/G


2022
6
10
89
2
17
8.9
14.8


Passing Statistics


Season
GP
CMP
ATT
INT
YDS
TD
Long
%
AVG/P
AVG/G


2022
6
7
13
1
69
1
18
.54
9.9
11.5



@ Kilgore JC 2021..
Passing


#
NAME
GP
COMP
ATT
PCT
YDS
Y/G
Y/A
TD
INT
LG
EFFIC


2
Clifton McDowell (https://njcaaregion14.com/sports/fball/2021-22/players/cliftonmcdowellr93t)
10
31
68
45.6%
671
67.1
9.9
4
0
73
147.9


Rushing


#
NAME
YR
POS
GP
RUSH
YDS
Y/G
AVG
TD
LG
FUM
LOST


2
Clifton McDowell (https://njcaaregion14.com/sports/fball/2021-22/players/cliftonmcdowellr93t)
So
QB
10
43
373
37.3
8.7
5
75
-
-





@ Louisiana 2019 & 2020...
Passing Statistics




GP
CMP
ATT
INT
YDS
TD
%
AVG/P
AVG/G


2019
2
1
1
0
8
0
1.00
8.0
4.0


2020
1
0
0
0
0
0
.00
0.0
0.0


Total
3
1
1
0
8
0
1.00
8.0
2.7

uofmman1122
December 5th, 2023, 01:56 PM
Serious question - Reckon why McDowell wasn't able to make all the difference at his prior 3 schools (Louisiana, Kilgore JC, Central Arkansas) as he has once he landed in the Big Sky Conference?

@ Central Arkansas 2022...
Rushing Statistics


Season
GP
ATT
YDS
TD
Long
AVG/A
AVG/G


2022
6
10
89
2
17
8.9
14.8


Passing Statistics


Season
GP
CMP
ATT
INT
YDS
TD
Long
%
AVG/P
AVG/G


2022
6
7
13
1
69
1
18
.54
9.9
11.5



@ Kilgore JC 2021..
Passing


#
NAME
GP
COMP
ATT
PCT
YDS
Y/G
Y/A
TD
INT
LG
EFFIC


2
Clifton McDowell (https://njcaaregion14.com/sports/fball/2021-22/players/cliftonmcdowellr93t)
10
31
68
45.6%
671
67.1
9.9
4
0
73
147.9


Rushing


#
NAME
YR
POS
GP
RUSH
YDS
Y/G
AVG
TD
LG
FUM
LOST


2
Clifton McDowell (https://njcaaregion14.com/sports/fball/2021-22/players/cliftonmcdowellr93t)
So
QB
10
43
373
37.3
8.7
5
75
-
-





@ Louisiana 2019 & 2020...
Passing Statistics




GP
CMP
ATT
INT
YDS
TD
%
AVG/P
AVG/G


2019
2
1
1
0
8
0
1.00
8.0
4.0


2020
1
0
0
0
0
0
.00
0.0
0.0


Total
3
1
1
0
8
0
1.00
8.0
2.7





He found a situation where he took advantage of his opportunity. Just like at his previous stops, he wasn't given a shot at the beginning of the year, and pretty much got his chance after our presumptive starter Sam Vidlak wasn't good enough.

These things happen. Brock Purdy was 3rd string at the beginning of his breakout year. Sometimes guys just need the opportunity to show out. Since he's taken over, and especially since our bye week, he's made the offense look pretty unstoppable.

Silenoz
December 5th, 2023, 02:02 PM
TBF, it was 35-14 at halftime in that CCU game, and 42-21 until there were 8 minutes left in the game.

This Griz team is a lot better than that 2013 team, though.
I refuse to call a one score game a boatrace.

Did we "boatrace" Furman in the championship? They only made it a one score game with that garbage time hail mary. I guess that tracks with FuBear logic.

uofmman1122
December 5th, 2023, 02:09 PM
I refuse to call a one score game a boatrace.

Did we "boatrace" Furman in the championship? They only made it a one score game with that garbage time hail mary. I guess that tracks with FuBear logic.
I definitely feel you, and it's ironic that FUBear is so gung ho on calling that 21-point deficit in the 4th quarter a boat race, but spent countless paragraphs arguing that Nicholls State's 28-point deficit in the 4th quarter against Sac State where it finished 38-24 was a close contest that wasn't a blowout. lmao

Silenoz
December 5th, 2023, 02:13 PM
I have a hard time seeing Montana keeping this game close, just not a ton of talent on that Montana roster anymore, think all the northern talent is in the Dakotas these days. If officiating is level this should be Furman win by 2 scores or more and a happy flight back to the Carolinas to face NDSU at home in the semifinals.

Big Sky likes to think they are on the level of Missouri Valley but the truth is they have not had a team even come close to being a Champion since EWU in 2011.
The fact is the Big Sky is very much on the exact same level as the SoCon, probably even a tier lower most years.
It was a solid season for Montana but they will just have to bite off way more than they can chew just to compete and keep it close in this one.

I've not been down to Furman for a game in a long while, but might have to get over there for that semifinal game against NDSU next weekend.
MSU was in the championship game just 2 seasons ago, and lost their star player on the first drive...
When's the last time a Southern team not named App State was that close?

Also, EWU was in the 'chip not that long ago too. Man, I can't even tell if this is a troll post.

Silenoz
December 5th, 2023, 02:14 PM
I definitely feel you, and it's ironic that FUBear is so gung ho on calling that 21-point deficit in the 4th quarter a boat race, but spent countless paragraphs arguing that Nicholls State's 28-point deficit in the 4th quarter against Sac State where it finished 38-24 was a close contest that wasn't a blowout. lmao
Quick, go find some random Furman loss in the last ten years, let's keep using that as proof what will happen in this game in 2023.

Silenoz
December 5th, 2023, 02:17 PM
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Actually, that was even easier than I thought. Forget the Coastal game. Let's now use this as the basis for explaining why Furman cannot compete on the road in the playoffs.

/FuBear'ed

edit: By the way, I doubt I've posted this many times in a thread in over 10 years. Kudos for getting me engaged!

Grizalltheway
December 5th, 2023, 03:13 PM
I have a hard time seeing Montana keeping this game close, just not a ton of talent on that Montana roster anymore, think all the northern talent is in the Dakotas these days. If officiating is level this should be Furman win by 2 scores or more and a happy flight back to the Carolinas to face NDSU at home in the semifinals.

Big Sky likes to think they are on the level of Missouri Valley but the truth is they have not had a team even come close to being a Champion since EWU in 2011.
The fact is the Big Sky is very much on the exact same level as the SoCon, probably even a tier lower most years.
It was a solid season for Montana but they will just have to bite off way more than they can chew just to compete and keep it close in this one.

I've not been down to Furman for a game in a long while, but might have to get over there for that semifinal game against NDSU next weekend.
You must be trolling. There's just no other explanation.

FU_Paladin08
December 5th, 2023, 03:19 PM
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Actually, that was even easier than I thought. Forget the Coastal game. Let's now use this as the basis for explaining why Furman cannot compete on the road in the playoffs.

/FuBear'ed

edit: By the way, I doubt I've posted this many times in a thread in over 10 years. Kudos for getting me engaged!

The other quarterfinal threads won’t even hit 100 comments. I’ll bet we can hit 300 by Friday if we keep trying to convince each other our team is better.

FUBeAR
December 5th, 2023, 03:22 PM
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Actually, that was even easier than I thought. Forget the Coastal game. Let's now use this as the basis for explaining why Furman cannot compete on the road in the playoffs.

/FuBear'ed

edit: By the way, I doubt I've posted this many times in a thread in over 10 years. Kudos for getting me engaged!
Whew - that one was UGLY. FUBeAR watched it on his phone while sitting in Bobby Dodd Stadium watching UGa @ GaTech because he told Little Miss FUBeAR, a UGa coed at the time, that he would go to that game...a fortuitous decision.

But - you won't find FUBeAR trying to call it anything other than what is was ... a flat-out a$$-whippin' - 7-3 @ half, but the Governors exerted their legislative fiat in the 3rd quarter (28-zip). You guys may prefer to call it a boat-racin' - or you probably would prefer to quibble more about the difference between that the 2, but not FUBeAR.

Helpful game for Furman Football though. Probably the catalyst for where the program is today. Most of the leaders - about 15 of them - of this Furman Team were on that 2019 Team and made some commitments about the future of Furman Football after that game - which they have realized.

Silenoz
December 5th, 2023, 03:27 PM
Side note, I have also been to Bobby Dodd as my wife is a Tech alum. Sweet backdrop.

uofmman1122
December 5th, 2023, 03:29 PM
The other quarterfinal threads won’t even hit 100 comments. I’ll bet we can hit 300 by Friday if we keep trying to convince each other our team is better.
I honestly just have no idea what to expect. I think Furman is a good team, but with no common opponents and even very little secondary overlap, it's all just words.

I'm nervous, but I was also nervous about Delaware. Hopefully it's a good game, because we haven't had a close game in almost 2 months. lol

Silenoz
December 5th, 2023, 04:13 PM
I honestly just have no idea what to expect. I think Furman is a good team, but with no common opponents and even very little secondary overlap, it's all just words.

I'm nervous, but I was also nervous about Delaware. Hopefully it's a good game, because we haven't had a close game in almost 2 months. lol
I just always assume we'll lose. Especially Cat Griz. It's better that way.

MSUBobcat
December 5th, 2023, 04:32 PM
I refuse to call a one score game a boatrace.

Did we "boatrace" Furman in the championship? They only made it a one score game with that garbage time hail mary. I guess that tracks with FuBear logic.

As much as I hate to agree with a Griz fan, it's hard to call it a boat race when a defensive stop after Coastal took possession with 5 long minutes left would have given UM an opportunity for the tying score. Run D just couldn't get off the field and get the ball back for the offense.

MSUBobcat
December 5th, 2023, 04:38 PM
You must be trolling. There's just no other explanation.

He picked Furple over APSU when they got dump trucked (https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?241148-17-Furman-at-14-Austin-Peay&p=2834127#post2834127). That should make you feel pretty good.

FUBeAR
December 5th, 2023, 05:12 PM
He found a situation where he took advantage of his opportunity. Since he's taken over, and especially since our bye week, he's made the offense look pretty unstoppable.
So...after a mediocre career @ 3 different schools / 3 different levels, once he started playing against Big Sky competition, he became the next Tom Brady and Lamar Jackson all rolled up into one?

Interesting.

GrizFanStuckInUtah
December 5th, 2023, 06:19 PM
So...after a mediocre career @ 3 different schools / 3 different levels, once he started playing against Big Sky competition, he became the next Tom Brady and Lamar Jackson all rolled up into one?

Interesting.

The young man has been through a lot. He witnessed one of his coaches die right in front of him. I give him credit from sticking with it and overcoming whatever baggage he has/had from his other schools. I believe he started a little rocky with us but has done nothing but get better all year :)

uofmman1122
December 5th, 2023, 06:23 PM
So...after a mediocre career @ 3 different schools / 3 different levels, once he started playing against Big Sky competition, he became the next Tom Brady and Lamar Jackson all rolled up into one?

Interesting.
Your words, not mine. xcoffeex

Silenoz
December 5th, 2023, 07:17 PM
Tickets purchased. I haven't been to WaGriz since frickin' Sneed's first season, but my kids have been getting super into football so I figure it was time to give it a shot. They couldn't make it through a whole Bozeman Hawk game (even the championship) without running off to play football, so this is my trial run with one of them. xrotatehx

FUBeAR
December 5th, 2023, 07:29 PM
Tickets purchased. I haven't been to WaGriz since frickin' Sneed's first season, but my kids have been getting super into football so I figure it was time to give it a shot. They couldn't make it through a whole Bozeman Hawk game (even the championship) without running off to play football, so this is my trial run with one of them. xrotatehx
Good job!

FUBeAR took FUBeAR Jr. & Little Miss FUBeAR to many Paladin games when they were little shavers. Really miss those times.

Got FUBeAR Jr. to go to the FU @ Kennesaw game this year cuz he was living in Kennesaw at the time and had LMFB on the FU sidelines w/FUBeAR @ Chattanooga cuz she’s living there now. And, she even came to FU with FUBeAR for the Mercer game. Also, FUBeAR attended Mercer’s 1st-ever Playoff game with FUBeAR Jr. who was very proud of his alma mater and his legacy as a Day1 Mercer Football Bear. FUBeAR was rather proud too.

Still love every minute they are willing to hang out with ol’ FUBeAR. Don’t blink!

Hopefully you’ll buy him/her some really cool Griz Swag to keep him/her from shedding too many tears after the Paladins’ victory.

gotts
December 6th, 2023, 11:07 AM
Montana currently 16.5 point favorites on FanDuel

https://i.imgur.com/wJ0mjlFl.jpg

https://imgur.com/a/IDsuS7Q

FUBeAR
December 6th, 2023, 11:26 AM
Looks like we got us a Coach-of-the-Year-Off coming Friday night…

https://www.afca.com/kalen-deboer-and-willie-simmons-headline-the-2023-afca-regional-coach-of-the-year-winners/
2023 AFCA REGIONAL COACH OF THE YEAR WINNERS
December 6, 2023


These winners will be honored on Tuesday, January 9, during the 2024 AFCA Convention in Nashville,Tennessee. TheAFCA recognizes five regional Coach of the Year winners in each of the Association’s five divisions: Football Bowl Subdivision, Football Championship Subdivision, Division II, Division III, and NAIA. The winners are selected by Active members of the Association who vote for coaches in their respective regions and divisions.

2023 AFCA Regional Coach of the Year Winners
Football Championship Subdivision

Region 2: Clay Hendrix, Furman University
Region 5: Bobby Hauck, University of Montana

Silenoz
December 6th, 2023, 11:54 AM
Montana currently 16.5 point favorites on FanDuel

https://imgur.com/a/IDsuS7Q
That can't be right. Reading this thread has convinced me we're the underdogs. xlolx

Grizalltheway
December 6th, 2023, 11:58 AM
That can't be right. Reading this thread has convinced me we're the underdogs. xlolx
It's hereditary. The confederates thought they were favorites as well.

fencer24
December 6th, 2023, 02:22 PM
So...after a mediocre career @ 3 different schools / 3 different levels, once he started playing against Big Sky competition, he became the next Tom Brady and Lamar Jackson all rolled up into one?

Interesting.

Man. wouldn't that be something if a guy with a mediocre career at 3 different levels beat the Dins. Of course, we all know that's impossible, and I for one intend to watch Friday night just to verify.

FUBeAR
December 6th, 2023, 02:45 PM
Man. wouldn't that be something if a guy with a mediocre career at 3 different levels beat the Dins. Of course, we all know that's impossible, and I for one intend to watch Friday night just to verify.
Would you characterize his results at those 3 prior stops differently? How would you describe?

Obviously, much better / more impactful @ Montana. And almost all of these results were compiled against 7 Big Sky Teams (ISUo, UCD, ID, NoCo, SacState, MTSt, and PSU), with a bit against Utah Tech and Delaware now.

Passing


#
PLAYER
GP
RATING
COMP
ATT
INT
%
YDS
TD
LONG
AVG/G


17
McDowell (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/mcdowellclifton/6960)
12
150.98
105
174
2
60.34
1493
11
97
124.42


Rushing


#
PLAYER
GP
ATT
GAIN
LOSS
NET
AVG
TD
LONG
AVG/G


17
McDowell (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/mcdowellclifton/6960)
12
123
715
99
616
5.0
8
42
51.33



FUBeAR is kinda lookin' for some more tangible thoughts (like - "our QB Coach noticed he was releasing the ball on the wrong plane and that fixed everything" or "he had a nagging labrum issue that had been with him since HS and he got it repaired last summer") on what, besides facing Big Sky competition, changed. But...all you Griz dudes wanna do is talk BS .... so ... whatever....

Anyway - remarkable turnaround of what was looking to be a mediocre career. Based on this year alone, he will certainly have opportunities at the next level (however THAT is defined these days).

kdinva
December 6th, 2023, 02:53 PM
Nice. Short week + late hours for an EST team + elements. Couldn't ask for any more of an advantage.

well, had Furman beaten Wofford, Furman would have rec'd a four or five-seed......

uofmman1122
December 6th, 2023, 03:23 PM
Would you characterize his results at those 3 prior stops differently? How would you describe?

Obviously, much better / more impactful @ Montana. And almost all of these results were compiled against 7 Big Sky Teams (ISUo, UCD, ID, NoCo, SacState, MTSt, and PSU), with a bit against Utah Tech and Delaware now.

Passing


#
PLAYER
GP
RATING
COMP
ATT
INT
%
YDS
TD
LONG
AVG/G


17
McDowell (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/mcdowellclifton/6960)
12
150.98
105
174
2
60.34
1493
11
97
124.42


Rushing


#
PLAYER
GP
ATT
GAIN
LOSS
NET
AVG
TD
LONG
AVG/G


17
McDowell (https://gogriz.com/sports/football/roster/mcdowellclifton/6960)
12
123
715
99
616
5.0
8
42
51.33



FUBeAR is kinda lookin' for some more tangible thoughts (like - "our QB Coach noticed he was releasing the ball on the wrong plane and that fixed everything" or "he had a nagging labrum issue that had been with him since HS and he got it repaired last summer") on what, besides facing Big Sky competition, changed. But...all you Griz dudes wanna do is talk BS .... so ... whatever....

Anyway - remarkable turnaround of what was looking to be a mediocre career. Based on this year alone, he will certainly have opportunities at the next level (however THAT is defined these days).
You're the one that brought that up, dude. We gave you good faith explanations and you decided to take pot shots.

The most likely scenario is that he's always been a gamer, he just hasn't been given a chance until now. If you guys shut him down on Friday, it will be incredibly impressive and a credit to your defense.

caribbeanhen
December 6th, 2023, 03:26 PM
well, had Furman beaten Wofford, Furman would have rec'd a four or five-seed......

even William & Mary beat Wofford

Silenoz
December 6th, 2023, 03:28 PM
FUBeAR is kinda lookin' for some more tangible thoughts (like - "our QB Coach noticed he was releasing the ball on the wrong plane and that fixed everything" or "he had a nagging labrum issue that had been with him since HS and he got it repaired last summer") on what, besides facing Big Sky competition, changed. But...all you Griz dudes wanna do is talk BS .... so ... whatever....
You want a magic answer from us, and there isn't one. And if you think our coach is gonna say anything about it, well... you obviously haven't familiarized yourself with Bobby Hauck lmao.

He came in late, they recognized his talents as a runner, so they used him as a Cole Payton or Taysom Hill or whatever you want to call it wildcat style of QB. And then they recognized his ability to extend plays or beat defenses on the play actions so he got more time. And the starter Vidlak basically **** the bed enough that they said "**** it, let's play McDowell, see what happens." And he hasn't lost yet.

caribbeanhen
December 6th, 2023, 03:32 PM
You want a magic answer from us, and there isn't one. And if you think our coach is gonna say anything about it, well... you obviously haven't familiarized yourself with Bobby Hauck lmao.

He came in late, they recognized his talents as a runner, so they used him as a Cole Payton or Taysom Hill or whatever you want to call it wildcat style of QB. And then they recognized his ability to extend plays or beat defenses on the play actions so he got more time. And the starter Vidlak basically **** the bed enough that they said "**** it, let's play McDowell, see what happens." And he hasn't lost yet.

should of started in game 1
don’t care if he needed directions to practice

Silenoz
December 6th, 2023, 03:33 PM
Here, the sporadic thoughts of UCA fans:

https://www.ucafans.com/forum/search.php?keywords=mcdowell&terms=all&author=&sc=1&sf=all&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search

TribeNomad1
December 6th, 2023, 03:34 PM
even William & Mary beat Wofford


Harsh! But funny. Looks like cold for Furman, but does not seem an unexpected icy field will await them. But then I watched UD in the snow last week.

uofmman1122
December 6th, 2023, 03:35 PM
should of started in game 1
don’t care if he needed directions to practice
I mean, it's easy to say that in hindsight, but Vidlak had looked great all offseason.

I'm also not sure this team would be as good as they are now without the fire the NAU loss lit under them, but who knows.

caribbeanhen
December 6th, 2023, 03:41 PM
I mean, it's easy to say that in hindsight, but Vidlak had looked great all offseason.

I'm also not sure this team would be as good as they are now without the fire the NAU loss lit under them, but who knows.

Yea it really doesn’t matter at this point, he’s starting against Furman is what matters

caribbeanhen
December 6th, 2023, 03:43 PM
Harsh! But funny. Looks like cold for Furman, but does not seem an unexpected icy field will await them. But then I watched UD in the snow last week.

I wanted The Tribe to embarrass Wofford and Fofighter Fubby but you could tell something just wasn’t right the The Burg team that game

FUBeAR
December 6th, 2023, 03:46 PM
You want a magic answer from us, and there isn't one. And if you think our coach is gonna say anything about it, well... you obviously haven't familiarized yourself with Bobby Hauck lmao.

He came in late, they recognized his talents as a runner, so they used him as a Cole Payton or Taysom Hill or whatever you want to call it wildcat style of QB. And then they recognized his ability to extend plays or beat defenses on the play actions so he got more time. And the starter Vidlak basically **** the bed enough that they said "**** it, let's play McDowell, see what happens." And he hasn't lost yet.
So...this is helpful....Can see something like ...

He was really viewed as just a Running QB at those other schools and when his throwing wasn't quite accurate or it hurt the Team, they just pulled him or wouldn't let him throw...but, at MT, while he started out in that similar kind of Running-Only (almost) role, the other options just weren't any better and he brought enough to the O with his legs / evasiveness, that with enough talent around him, that maybe he didn't have elsewhere, MT was able to let him grow into the role - without fear of getting benched if he made a bad throw or 2 - and that increased his confidence and he just blossomed from there.

Can see that happening ... have seen it happen ... not sure if that's exactly what happened, but it's what FUBeAR took from your description - THANKS!

TribeNomad1
December 6th, 2023, 03:47 PM
I wanted The Tribe to embarrass Wofford and Fofighter Fubby but you could tell something just wasn’t right the The Burg team that game

Just that game??

FUBeAR
December 6th, 2023, 03:49 PM
I wanted The Tribe to embarrass Wofford and Fofighter Fubby but you could tell something just wasn’t right the The Burg team that game
Horsefeathers - that was the best game the LandStealingSocialDivision played all season!

caribbeanhen
December 6th, 2023, 04:03 PM
Just that game??

It was an early game and was a hint of things to come, I thought they left a lot of points on the field

caribbeanhen
December 6th, 2023, 04:05 PM
Horsefeathers - that was the best game the LandStealingSocialDivision played all season!

Don't fret none, Richy and The Tribe moving back south to restore honor to the Southern Conference

FU_Paladin08
December 6th, 2023, 04:09 PM
even William & Mary beat Wofford

I thought we all agreed to stop talking about that Wofford game. I could swear we all agreed to that like 50 comments ago. Let me go back and find that agreement.

FUBeAR
December 6th, 2023, 04:44 PM
I thought we all agreed to stop talking about that Wofford game. I could swear we all agreed to that like 50 comments ago. Let me go back and find that agreement.
No - it was the Northern Arizona game that everyone is banned from bringing up.

Well, can't mention it negatively, but it's fine to discuss it if you are claiming that loss to a Team with a losing record is the fire that annealed this Griz Team and catapulted them along this road to Frisco that they are on ... while simultaneously talking about what a BAD loss Furman had @ Wofford, which did not anneal - nope - no annealing loss for the Paladins - it was exposing - not annealing; exposing.

Montana's FCS In-Conference road loss to a losing Team = ANNEALING | Furman's FCS In-Conference road loss to a losing Team = EXPOSING

LET'S KEEP THAT STRAIGHT!!!

Silenoz
December 6th, 2023, 05:08 PM
No - it was the Northern Arizona game that everyone is banned from bringing up.

Well, can't mention it negatively, but it's fine to discuss it if you are claiming that loss to a Team with a losing record is the fire that annealed this Griz Team and catapulted them along this road to Frisco that they are on ... while simultaneously talking about what a BAD loss Furman had @ Wofford, which did not anneal - nope - no annealing loss for the Paladins - it was exposing - not annealing; exposing.

Montana's FCS In-Conference road loss to a losing Team = ANNEALING | Furman's FCS In-Conference road loss to a losing Team = EXPOSING

LET'S KEEP THAT STRAIGHT!!!
Here's something resembling an analogy...

Is the NFL talking about the Eagles loss to the Jets, or the Eagles loss to the Niners?

What have you done for me lately?

FUBeAR
December 6th, 2023, 05:17 PM
Here's something resembling an analogy...

Is the NFL talking about the Eagles loss to the Jets, or the Eagles loss to the Niners?

What have you done for me lately?

Yeah - here's what that paragraph looks like to FUBeAR...


Ар ю NFL сириесли аскинг зис квэсчен? Кан'т Eagles билив ю! Ит из импоссибл ту Jets райт Инглиш ин Сириллик! Niners Дазн'т верк зэт вэй!
Ай лав зис скрипт, плиз ду нот руин ит фор ми бай юзинг ит ту райт ин а лангвидж зэт дазн'т сут зис скрипт! Сэнк ю.


FUBeAR does FCS. That's ALL FUBeAR does.

FUBeAR
December 7th, 2023, 10:16 PM
Game kicks off Friday 12/8 at 7PM MT and will be broadcast nationally on ESPN2. Winner moves on to face the winner of North Dakota State and #3 South Dakota.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53372839463_7589167872_o.jpg

FUBeAR likes to take Prof.C's Stat Breakdown and remove Stats recorded during games with Teams other than D1 FCS 63 Scholarship Teams.

So, below, FWIW, are the stats for Montana without Butler and Ferris State and for Furman without South Carolina and then placed in the existing Rankings with the revised stat.

We can, of course, get into subjectively arguing strength of opponents, but this is as 'level' as we can OBJECTIVELY get with comparing the statistics of these 2 Teams.

ENJOY!



School
Montana
(Revised)
Furman

(Revised)


Stat Category
Value
R
Value
R


Points scored per game
33.30
(14)
27.91
(42)


Points allowed per game
14.80
(5)
14.09
(2)


Points per game differential
18.50
(4)
13.82
(8)


Offensive yards per game
409.00
(3)
354.82
(63)


Yards allowed per game
315.60
(20)
289.18
(6)


Yards per game differential
93.40
(12)
65.64
(20)


Offensive yards per play
5.87
(34)
5.19
(78)


Yards allowed per play
4.90
(21)
4.66
(10)


Yards per play differential
0.97
(19)
0.53
(33)


Rush yards per game
201.90
(12)
170.18
(29)


Rush yards allowed p/game
100.20
(9)
91.27
(3)


Yards per carry
4.61
(33)
4.40
(40)


Yards per carry allowed
3.46
(23)
2.91
(5)


Passing yards per game
207.10
{59)
184.64
(78)


Pass yards allowed p/game
215.40
(69)
197.91
(43)


Yards per pass attempt
8.00
(19)
6.21
(94)


Yards allowed per pass att
6.08
(15)
6.46
(29)


Passing efficiency
147.66
(20)
126.24
(68)


Defensive pass efficiency
113.12
(11)
111.53
(7)


3rd down conversion %
45.5
(12)
43.2
(31)


Opponent 3rd down conv %
31.3
(9)
30.5
(8)


Turnover margin
9.00
(9)
18.00
(1)


Penalty yards per game
62.80
(100)
45.00
(24)


Penalties per game
6.80
(94)
4.91
(22)


Opponent kick return avg
20.28
(79)
18.82
(52)


Kickoff return average
21.00
(33)
22.64
(17)


Net punt average
38.00
(28)
36.40
(53)


Punt return average
12.32
(22)
8.89
(48)


Opponent redzone score %
71.4
(12)
61.1
(1)


Opponent redzone TD %
66.7
(80)
55.6
(31)


Redzone score percentage
83.8
(40)
85.7
(30)


Redzone TD percentage
70.3
(18)
57.1
(76)


Average time of possession
32.02
(15)
31.47
(20)



BTW - FUBeAR would not be mad at Montana if the Team that played Butler shows up tomorrow night. Just sayin'

Utgrizfan
December 8th, 2023, 12:45 AM
Appreciate Furmans QB giving us some bulletin board material:

https://twitter.com/GrizFanPod/status/1732968117675126985?t=GE29JyxW3ZGIaMqL2xJmIg&s=19

SteelSD
December 8th, 2023, 12:55 AM
No - it was the Northern Arizona game that everyone is banned from bringing up.

Well, can't mention it negatively, but it's fine to discuss it if you are claiming that loss to a Team with a losing record is the fire that annealed this Griz Team and catapulted them along this road to Frisco that they are on ... while simultaneously talking about what a BAD loss Furman had @ Wofford, which did not anneal - nope - no annealing loss for the Paladins - it was exposing - not annealing; exposing.

Montana's FCS In-Conference road loss to a losing Team = ANNEALING | Furman's FCS In-Conference road loss to a losing Team = EXPOSING

LET'S KEEP THAT STRAIGHT!!!
Count me in as someone who wants it answered, which loss was worse. Let’s match up those two teams in the 2023 Exposing Annealing Bowl.

GRIZ1948
December 8th, 2023, 02:21 AM
I have a hard time seeing Montana keeping this game close, just not a ton of talent on that Montana roster anymore, think all the northern talent is in the Dakotas these days. If officiating is level this should be Furman win by 2 scores or more and a happy flight back to the Carolinas to face NDSU at home in the semifinals.

Big Sky likes to think they are on the level of Missouri Valley but the truth is they have not had a team even come close to being a Champion since EWU in 2011.
The fact is the Big Sky is very much on the exact same level as the SoCon, probably even a tier lower most years.
It was a solid season for Montana but they will just have to bite off way more than they can chew just to compete and keep it close in this one.

I've not been down to Furman for a game in a long while, but might have to get over there for that semifinal game against NDSU next weekend.

THEN YOU SHOULD ENJOY WATCHING THE GAME ON TV--BUT THE GRIZ ARE CAPABLE OF WINNING THIS GAME--BOOK IT!

gofurman
December 8th, 2023, 02:57 AM
Football is a manly and therefore outdoors sort of sport. It is a test of strength, will and endurance. That's why they should outlaw domed stadiums. Domes are all part of an insidious communist plot to make American youth weaker.

COMPLETELY AGREE. Why give up an advantage? Why be the Detroit lions when you could have Lambeau field outdoors? Honestly I know NDSU is LOUD so there is that but wonder if they wouldn’t do better outdoors? SDSU and Montana have an advantage. My relative was at Air Force academy and they did have enough altitude to wear on the opposing LOS at times he said.

anyway, I think northern stadiums should definitely be outside. It’s freakin football No participation trophies !!!!!!!

gofurman
December 8th, 2023, 03:04 AM
Here's something resembling an analogy...

Is the NFL talking about the Eagles loss to the Jets, or the Eagles loss to the Niners?

What have you done for me lately?

my boss is a huge eagles fan. He talks about the Jets. We didn’t even mention the niners despite my family having niners fans

gofurman
December 8th, 2023, 03:10 AM
Appreciate Furmans QB giving us some bulletin board material:

https://twitter.com/GrizFanPod/status/1732968117675126985?t=GE29JyxW3ZGIaMqL2xJmIg&s=19


thats LIEUTENANT HUFF to you.

FAR MORE IMPORTANT THAN FOOTBALL - FAR MORE!!!!!!! - is that our QB won ( out of 46 nominees at all levels FBS FCS D2 etc) the Armed Forces Military Award for all of the college football nation. Beating candidates from AFA and West Point etc.

https://www.claytodayonline.com/stories/furmans-huff-named-2023-armed-forces-merit-award-recipient,92822


THIS is what we should all admire and the type of player we should seek. A TRUE DUAL THREAT. Serving his team and his country !!!

caribbeanhen
December 8th, 2023, 07:42 AM
thats LIEUTENANT HUFF to you.

FAR MORE IMPORTANT THAN FOOTBALL - FAR MORE!!!!!!! - is that our QB won ( out of 46 nominees at all levels FBS FCS D2 etc) the Armed Forces Military Award for all of the college football nation. Beating candidates from AFA and West Point etc.

https://www.claytodayonline.com/stories/furmans-huff-named-2023-armed-forces-merit-award-recipient,92822


THIS is what we should all admire and the type of player we should seek. A TRUE DUAL THREAT. Serving his team and his country !!!

+ 1

JSUSoutherner
December 8th, 2023, 08:27 AM
Don't you have a Bad Boy Mowers Gasparilla Bowl forum to troll? At least the Paladins are still playing for something meaningful - a National Championship.
You're pretty chirpy for a fan of a team people throw around as a meme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v_LvQEyXnk

FUBeAR
December 8th, 2023, 09:48 AM
Count me in as someone who wants it answered, which loss was worse. Let’s match up those two teams in the 2023 Exposing Annealing Bowl.
If only Paul Reubens was still hanging with us (so to speak) to sing the National Anthem pre-game.

FUBeAR
December 8th, 2023, 10:12 AM
https://i.postimg.cc/DfqCF0n7/IMG-2439.jpg

LET’S GO!!!!

100%GRIZ
December 8th, 2023, 10:55 AM
https://i.postimg.cc/DfqCF0n7/IMG-2439.jpg

LET’S GO!!!!
If I was tech savy I would take the Grizzley minus the Furman dude and horse. Great Pic!

SCPALADIN
December 8th, 2023, 10:57 AM
Looks like we need someone tech savy on the Furman message board...it just crashed.

FUBeAR
December 8th, 2023, 11:01 AM
Looks like we need someone tech savy on the Furman message board...it just crashed.
Hacked by Montanan scalawags, no doubt!

SCPALADIN
December 8th, 2023, 11:03 AM
Hacked by Montanan scalawags, no doubt!

...or Cat fans posing as Paladins xeyebrowx

FUBeAR
December 8th, 2023, 11:09 AM
...or Cat fans posing as Paladins xeyebrowx
LOL - False Flag Denial of Service Attack … like old time - FFDOSALOT xlolx

gotts
December 8th, 2023, 11:14 AM
Appreciate Furmans QB giving us some bulletin board material:

https://twitter.com/GrizFanPod/status/1732968117675126985?t=GE29JyxW3ZGIaMqL2xJmIg&s=19

#southernspeed

FUBeAR
December 8th, 2023, 11:16 AM
https://twitter.com/danscottshow/status/1733115593417773352

Just realized this is FUBeAR’s 10,000th post on AGS. Proud to share it with the best in the business, Dan Scott.

Y’know - there’s also a “10” on the horse’s blanket on the drawing Mr. AI did for this game for FUBeAR … the one FUBeAR chose for his avatar. Thinking these things are signs.

Paladins by 10.

Chalupa Batman
December 8th, 2023, 11:38 AM
Appreciate Furmans QB giving us some bulletin board material:

https://twitter.com/GrizFanPod/status/1732968117675126985?t=GE29JyxW3ZGIaMqL2xJmIg&s=19

He really said that? I would've guessed he's the type to give the an answer where he says words yet doesn't say anything at all.

Sir William
December 8th, 2023, 11:47 AM
Appreciate Furmans QB giving us some bulletin board material:

https://twitter.com/GrizFanPod/status/1732968117675126985?t=GE29JyxW3ZGIaMqL2xJmIg&s=19

This sounds fake. Doesn't sound like Huff's voice. If you need fake material to fire you up, then go ahead, I guess.

Silenoz
December 8th, 2023, 11:51 AM
my boss is a huge eagles fan. He talks about the Jets. We didn’t even mention the niners despite my family having niners fans
Oh, believe me. He certainly didn't want to talk about it, and it's certainly stewing in his brain at this very moment, sowing doubt over this weekend's game against the Cowboys. xsmiley_wix

Chalupa Batman
December 8th, 2023, 11:54 AM
This sounds fake. Doesn't sound like Huff's voice. If you need fake material to fire you up, then go ahead, I guess.

Kind of my first thought too, but then again I don't know Huff that well either. Being a military guy I would be surprised if he did say that.

FUBeAR
December 8th, 2023, 11:59 AM
This sounds fake. Doesn't sound like Huff's voice. If you need fake material to fire you up, then go ahead, I guess.
Exactly right.

Dang, we’ve seen how low-down you Montanas are with those 2 Jr. High School girls / valor stealer doing their Taylor Swift song lyrics descriptions of their butt-hurt over Furman Football on their podcast from their single-wides, but now y’all are resorting to all sorts of technological skullduggery.

Stealing / Scamming our QB’s voice with your AI https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/ai-voice-cloning-scams-on-rise-expert-warns#

…and…

Hacking into our message board creating a Denial of Service.

When does it end for you people?




…sometime not too long after the bell tolls midnight in the east, FUBeAR thinks.

Live4Griz
December 8th, 2023, 12:04 PM
This sounds fake. Doesn't sound like Huff's voice. If you need fake material to fire you up, then go ahead, I guess.

It's Huff. He called into a radio show in Missoula "Nuanez Now" on ESPN Radio Missoula 102.9. Podcast is available on several platforms. It's around the 20 minute mark.

GO GRIZ!

Silenoz
December 8th, 2023, 12:09 PM
It's Huff. He called into a radio show in Missoula "Nuanez Now" on ESPN Radio Missoula 102.9. Podcast is available on several platforms. It's around the 20 minute mark.

GO GRIZ!
Nice job Colter, and/or Brooks. Tricking him into giving us bulletin board material like that. xlolx

This is almost as good as Chris tricking the entire Stephen F. Austin team into drinking at Reds ahead of the 51-0 shellacking xrotatehx

uofmman1122
December 8th, 2023, 12:12 PM
This sounds fake. Doesn't sound like Huff's voice. If you need fake material to fire you up, then go ahead, I guess.
Yes, those dastardly Griz faking bulletin board material by tricking him into calling into a radio sports show and letting him talk. lmao

FUBeAR
December 8th, 2023, 12:18 PM
It's Huff. He called into a radio show in Missoula "Nuanez Now" on ESPN Radio Missoula 102.9. Podcast is available on several platforms. It's around the 20 minute mark.
GO GRIZ!Y’all need to wake up…

Scammers are increasingly turning to artificial intelligence (AI) (https://www.foxbusiness.com/category/artificial-intelligence) tools to clone the voices of individuals they target on social media. Fraudsters, such as are common among Montana sports radio shows, carrying out voice cloning scams will record a person’s voice or find an audio clip on social media or elsewhere on the internet. All they need is as little as 3 seconds, 10 seconds is even better to get a very realistic clone of your voice. The audio sample is then run through an AI program that replicates the voice, allowing the scammer to make it say whatever they type in addition to adding laughter, fear, and other emotions into the cloned voice depending on how the scam is scripted.


https://youtu.be/S_TYom5_gDk?feature=shared

JSUSoutherner
December 8th, 2023, 12:26 PM
Yes, those dastardly Griz faking bulletin board material by tricking him into calling into a radio sports show and letting him talk. lmao
My question is what does it say about your QB that when he talks it is a detrimemt to the team?

Silenoz
December 8th, 2023, 12:31 PM
Y’all need to wake up…

Scammers are increasingly turning to artificial intelligence (AI) (https://www.foxbusiness.com/category/artificial-intelligence) tools to clone the voices of individuals they target on social media. Fraudsters, such as are common among Montana sports radio shows, carrying out voice cloning scams will record a person’s voice or find an audio clip on social media or elsewhere on the internet. All they need is as little as 3 seconds, 10 seconds is even better to get a very realistic clone of your voice. The audio sample is then run through an AI program that replicates the voice, allowing the scammer to make it say whatever they type in addition to adding laughter, fear, and other emotions into the cloned voice depending on how the scam is scripted.


"Montana sports radio shows". As if we have any of those big enough to get something written up about them.

The irony is that you just made this quote up. What a scammer. xlolx

ElCid
December 8th, 2023, 12:47 PM
It's Huff. He called into a radio show in Missoula "Nuanez Now" on ESPN Radio Missoula 102.9. Podcast is available on several platforms. It's around the 20 minute mark.

GO GRIZ!

Were you sitting next to him when he called? It certainly could have been him, but AI voice scamming is easy to do and becoming widespread. I'll believe it when he acknowledged it.

FUBeAR
December 8th, 2023, 12:51 PM
Were you sitting next to him when he called? It certainly could have been him, but AI voice scamming is easy to do and becoming widespread. I'll believe it when he acknowledged it.
FUBeAR heard Lt. Huff has called a Press Conference @ 9 PM ET to discuss the matter further.

Silenoz
December 8th, 2023, 12:55 PM
Were you sitting next to him when he called? It certainly could have been him, but AI voice scamming is easy to do and becoming widespread. I'll believe it when he acknowledged it.
I like this.

I'm hereby claiming Montana won the 2009 championship. Any footage that says otherwise is a deepfake. Any memories that say otherwise are the Mandela effect. 3 time national champs xcoolx

Live4Griz
December 8th, 2023, 01:06 PM
Were you sitting next to him when he called? It certainly could have been him, but AI voice scamming is easy to do and becoming widespread. I'll believe it when he acknowledged it.

Has Huff, the team or the university denied it was him? I would think they'd want to quash that right away.

MSUBobcat
December 8th, 2023, 01:06 PM
Were you sitting next to him when he called? It certainly could have been him, but AI voice scamming is easy to do and becoming widespread. I'll believe it when he acknowledged it.

We've only had interwebz out here for 3 years. It'll be at least a decade before the horse and buggies get AI equipment out here.

The conspiracy that an ESPN podcast would voice-scam the Din's QB for "bulletin board material".... wowzers. xrotatehxxrotatehxxrotatehxxrotatehx This thread got derailed early and never got back on track.

ElCid
December 8th, 2023, 01:09 PM
Has Huff, the team or the university denied it was him? I would think they'd want to quash that right away.

See FUBeARs comment above. All will be revealed. It's unfortunate that those you are implicating have not suited "your" timeline.

Silenoz
December 8th, 2023, 01:16 PM
See FUBeARs comment above. All will be revealed. It's unfortunate that those you are implicating have not suited "your" timeline.
Maybe you're an AI.

https://i.imgur.com/WrKPhfd.gif

ElCid
December 8th, 2023, 01:17 PM
We've only had interwebz out here for 3 years. It'll be at least a decade before the horse and buggies get AI equipment out here.

The conspiracy that an ESPN podcast would voice-scam the Din's QB for "bulletin board material".... wowzers. xrotatehxxrotatehxxrotatehxxrotatehx This thread got derailed early and never got back on track.

Wow. Really. An anonymous caller to a show, claiming to be someone, has nothing to do with some podcast's involvement. Do an Internet search on AI voice scams. Thousands of people are being scammed by mimicking relatives asking for money. The call could have come from Timbuktu. Has nothing to do with Montana's claimed lack of techno-prowess. Again, it could have been him, but let's wait and see what he says. And just to be accurate, lots of parties have lots of incentive to stir the pot.

ElCid
December 8th, 2023, 01:18 PM
Maybe you're an AI.

https://i.imgur.com/WrKPhfd.gif

Maybe I am.

gofurman
December 8th, 2023, 01:20 PM
Kind of my first thought too, but then again I don't know Huff that well either. Being a military guy I would be surprised if he did say that.

THIS. Great point Chalupa. He has never ALL YEAR said anything like this ... He won the armed Forces Merit Award for what he does on field and classy military actions off the field. Beat 46 others that were nominated.

Just doesnt' track.

Look, I'm objective. It COULD be true. It just doesn't track with anything he has ever done in college prior to a game.

uofmman1122
December 8th, 2023, 01:22 PM
THIS. Great point Chalupa. He has never ALL YEAR said anything like this ... He won the armed Forces Merit Award for what he does on field and classy military actions off the field. Beat 46 others that were nominated.

Just doesnt' track.

Look, I'm objective. It COULD be true. It just doesn't track with anything he has ever done in college prior to a game.
Sounds like your team might just be a little overconfident. It's fine, and certainly not the first time it's happened to a team coming into Missoula.

Hopefully it works out for them tonight. xthumbsupx

JSUSoutherner
December 8th, 2023, 01:48 PM
Sounds like your team might just be a little overconfident. It's fine, and certainly not the first time it's happened to a team coming into Missoula.

Hopefully it gets them worked over tonight. xthumbsupx

FYP

uofmman1122
December 8th, 2023, 02:05 PM
This is all fun, but I really hope the Furman team and fans enjoy their time here.

TBH, I am extremely nervous. I think we can absolutely lose this one if we don't come out sharp.

Sir William
December 8th, 2023, 02:17 PM
This is all fun, but I really hope the Furman team and fans enjoy their time here.

TBH, I am extremely nervous. I think we can absolutely lose this one if we don't come out sharp.

Same here.

Best game of the weekend, IMO. Loved hanging with the Griz fans in Chattanooga back in '01. Hope the outcome is different tonight than it was then, but have often pulled for the Griz since that championship game.

SCPALADIN
December 8th, 2023, 03:11 PM
Same here.

Best game of the weekend, IMO. Loved hanging with the Griz fans in Chattanooga back in '01. Hope the outcome is different tonight than it was then, but have often pulled for the Griz since that championship game.


Same here. Enjoyed some spirited discussion over beers with some Griz fans at Big River before the game in 2001. Wish I could've made it to Missoula for this one.
Hoping for different results too.

gofurman
December 8th, 2023, 03:42 PM
This is all fun, but I really hope the Furman team and fans enjoy their time here.

TBH, I am extremely nervous. I think we can absolutely lose this one if we don't come out sharp.


From what I have read... sadly I am still in SC... but i was there in Chattanooga in 2001... most Griz fans are great ..

Credit on that.

Big Credit !! Every fan base has their crappy fans. But some - I am looking at you marshall - have a LOT.

From what I hear (and saw in 2001) most Griz and Furman fans get along.​ as it should be - good stuff.. beer and football

Hey, Furman is a huge dog in Vegas as 17/18 points. I mean, if we stay within 15 we are overachievers ! :)

I guess I get it. Montana has won their last two games by 30 versus good teams.

Grizzlies82
December 8th, 2023, 03:54 PM
From what I have read... sadly I am still in SC... but i was there in Chattanooga in 2001... most Griz fans are great ..

Credit on that.

Big Credit !! Every fan base has their crappy fans. But some - I am looking at you marshall - have a LOT.

From what I hear (and saw in 2001) most Griz and Furman fans get along.​ as it should be - good stuff.. beer and football

Hey, Furman is a huge dog in Vegas as 17/18 points. I mean, if we stay within 15 we are overachievers ! :)

I guess I get it. Montana has won their last two games by 30 versus good teams.


I am confident Montana will win but I think the point spread is overly generous.

Suspect it reflects the bookies trying to entice more Furman betters into the mix, rather than an actual projected outcome.

FUBeAR
December 8th, 2023, 04:09 PM
TheUFFP / GoPaladins.com / the FU message board is back up. FUBeAR turned some wrenches and such.

So…you Montanas that have been doing so, can start your lurking, screenshotting, and re-posting again …





hosers

Grizzlies82
December 8th, 2023, 04:24 PM
TheUFFP / GoPaladins.com / the FU message board is back up. FUBeAR turned some wrenches and such.

So…you Montanas that have been doing so, can start your lurking, screenshotting, and re-posting again …



hosers


Hosers, hosers????
We are not Canadians. Are we, eh?

FUBeAR
December 8th, 2023, 04:36 PM
Hosers, hosers????
We are not Canadians. Are we, eh?
Isn’t Montana northwest of Canada. FUBeAR did a couple of consulting projects in Toronto and he never passed by Montana. What country is Montana in anyway?

Grizzlies82
December 8th, 2023, 06:43 PM
Isn’t Montana northwest of Canada. FUBeAR did a couple of consulting projects in Toronto and he never passed by Montana. What country is Montana in anyway?


Montana is easy to find.

Located just between the central time zone and the pacific time zone. In general head west across the cotton fields of the deep south. Then turn right when you start to get winded from the elevation change.

You'll know it once you've found Montana. It is the pretty part of the USA.

gofurman
December 8th, 2023, 06:57 PM
Montana fans are ultra sensitive.


https://twitter.com/bwahlberg/status/1732957055890207107?s=46&t=p0DR5whBGjN97slIM6FIWw





I saw this. Just a bunch of trolling.


Two take aways:


1. If these Montana folks had followed Furman for more than two days, they'd know that our coaches frequently note we are not the most athletic team in the conference. We are clearly the best team in the SoCon, but Hendrix will frequently say that we are not the most talented. Huff was complimentary of Montana's defense, their tackling, and team approach.


2. Huff isn't one bit intimidated by Montana.



Right - our OWN COACH says we aren't the most athletic or talented team.​ I bet he has said that 3+ times this year. Says we have to out execute because we aren't as athletic as many of our opponents.

dbackjon
December 8th, 2023, 07:41 PM
Good Luck to both teams, but especially to the Griz

Bison56
December 8th, 2023, 09:04 PM
That was quick.

The Yo Show
December 8th, 2023, 09:05 PM
Someone check on FUBear

Christiank22
December 8th, 2023, 09:05 PM
That might be the most unathletic play I have ever seen in my life. I get kickers ain’t gonna run a 4.2 40 but holy **** guy


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Go Lehigh TU Owl
December 8th, 2023, 09:05 PM
Boom!!

Go Lehigh TU Owl
December 8th, 2023, 09:08 PM
Damn! what an explosive start for both teams!

Bison56
December 8th, 2023, 09:09 PM
Nice response by Furman.

The Yo Show
December 8th, 2023, 09:09 PM
This is gonna be an amazing game

SeattleCat
December 8th, 2023, 09:09 PM
Man throw a slant to beat a blitz what an innovative concept, wish our OC could come up with something like that.

Chalupa Batman
December 8th, 2023, 09:11 PM
Man throw a slant to beat a blitz what an innovative concept, wish our OC could come up with something like that.

Helluva play by Huff to stand in there on that throw.

SeattleCat
December 8th, 2023, 09:20 PM
Helluva play by Huff to stand in there on that throw.

It was, it was also the perfect play call against that D. It almost like they watched tape on the griz.... Sorry just very disenchanted with out offensive coordinator.

SeattleCat
December 8th, 2023, 09:24 PM
Not sure why MT is trying to get to the edge they been beat to every time.

SeattleCat
December 8th, 2023, 09:33 PM
Furman's Offense is starting to play into Montana's hands, they need to get the ball out quicker and establish the run.

*just like that.

Winindy
December 8th, 2023, 09:38 PM
This game is a ripper

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JSUSoutherner
December 8th, 2023, 09:38 PM
What is the crowd chanting?

SeattleCat
December 8th, 2023, 09:44 PM
What is the crowd chanting?

Montana Grizzlies

FU_Paladin08
December 8th, 2023, 09:46 PM
Montana Grizzlies

Too many syllables for a good chant.

Bisonoline
December 8th, 2023, 09:46 PM
Furman is a good team. First time Ive seen them.

Go Lehigh TU Owl
December 8th, 2023, 09:49 PM
Furman hanging tough!

JSUSoutherner
December 8th, 2023, 09:53 PM
Montana's got a helluva defense

ElCid
December 8th, 2023, 09:54 PM
Great game so far. Both teams are very good quality.

Dusty Kitten
December 8th, 2023, 09:55 PM
this one will come down to whoever makes a dumb mistake, not so much a blown coverage but more like a fumble or muffed punt

JSUSoutherner
December 8th, 2023, 09:59 PM
Refs just want a better look at that booty.

FUwolfpacker
December 8th, 2023, 09:59 PM
Bergan is as good as expected. Hurting us on some deep crossers like KSU did. Montana D incredibly tough as expected. Always knew Montana was going to bring a lot of pressure but Furman not doing a good enough job blocking it up or getting rid of it fast enough.

Good first half. Hope Furman can find something on offense because it feels like Montana is close to hitting one. Special teams are usually very solid for Furman but struggling tonight.

Go Lehigh TU Owl
December 8th, 2023, 10:16 PM
Walker is obsessed with how Furman is handling the weather. CCU won in Missoula when the air temp was around -10....

Bison56
December 8th, 2023, 10:18 PM
Walker is obsessed with how Furman is handling the weather. CCU won in Missoula when the air temp was around -10....

His made up knowledge of teams is pathetic.

MSUBobcat
December 8th, 2023, 10:19 PM
Walker is obsessed with how Furman is handling the weather. CCU won in Missoula when the air temp was around -10....

This. I'm thinking Walker is FUBeAR...

Chalupa Batman
December 8th, 2023, 10:20 PM
Should've let the punt go

Bison56
December 8th, 2023, 10:21 PM
This. I'm thinking Walker is FUBeAR...

You might be on to something there. 🤔

POD Knows
December 8th, 2023, 10:22 PM
Furmans D line is dominating the Griz O line.

Go Lehigh TU Owl
December 8th, 2023, 10:22 PM
His made up knowledge of teams is pathetic.

The average lows temps in Greenville in December are in the mid to low 30s. I mean what in the world is he talking about? It's irrelevant!

Furman's offense needs to at least flip the field a bit. Eventually the Griz are going to strike again.....

Bison56
December 8th, 2023, 10:26 PM
Furmans punter have some $ on this game?

MSUBobcat
December 8th, 2023, 10:29 PM
You might be on to something there. 🤔

He's not posting....

MUHAWKS
December 8th, 2023, 10:31 PM
is it me or could Furman QB run for yards on some of these plays? I have seen wide open lanes and instead he throws bad passes

Go Lehigh TU Owl
December 8th, 2023, 10:32 PM
Furman can't get anything going on offense...

Chalupa Batman
December 8th, 2023, 10:33 PM
Huff is going to have to start hitting some passes. There's been some open receivers but he has been off.

Karl Havoc
December 8th, 2023, 10:33 PM
Huff is 6 for 21…

Grizalltheway
December 8th, 2023, 10:33 PM
Furmans D line is dominating the Griz O line.

Outside of two big plays, Montana's defense is dominating Furman’s offense, period.