Hmmmmmmm A New Twist To Spygate......

[UNHWildCats]

Apparently the Jets had an employee removed from Foxboro last year for doing some camera work......

http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/jets/ny-spjets1212,0,3978329.story

[UNHWildCats]

http://www.newsday.com/images/covers/lspt.jpg

[UNHWildCats]

So does this add some class back to the Patriots by merely removing the Jets employee and not ratting him out to the NFL?

[andy7171]

No one cares about the Jets. The Jets aren't 14-0 and humiliating other teams.

[TheValleyRaider]

No, the Jets just didn't get caught after being warned several times before xcoffeex

[SuperJon]

Or coached by a complete dick who's QB is an arrogant prick.

[brownbear]

No one cares about the Jets. The Jets aren't 14-0 and humiliating other teams.

That's exactly right. Who cares if your cheating makes you still lose, what's the difference then?

[tribe_pride]

Not sure if it is true but below is Mangini's response.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3151217

My only reason for believing Mangini is that if the Jets had done something wrong last playoffs, wouldn't this have come out once NE got busted during the first week of this season? There is no reason to wait until now to reveal this.

[UNHWildCats]

He says they had permission from the Patriots to tape from where they were, yet the Patriots removed the cameraman, so obviously they didnt have permission, that right there shows Mangini is lying!

[tribe_pride]

He says they had permission from the Patriots to tape from where they were, yet the Patriots removed the cameraman, so obviously they didnt have permission, that right there shows Mangini is lying!

You are right. One person says something (who leaked this one anyways?), another says something else so the one you don't like is lying.

Apparently, Mangini said it was not from the sidelines which is illegal but from the endzones. From the article I linked above:


When asked why the Patriots stopped the Jets if they had already given them permission, Mangini just shrugged.

"I don't know," he said. "Really, it just was what it was. We had asked for permission, it was granted and then that changed, and we respect their decision. It's their stadium."

Mangini was also asked if the Jets were, at all, taping the Patriots' defensive signals.

"No," Mangini said.

Once again, I am not saying that Mangini is or is not lying but I am just throwing out the facts and if the Jets did anything illegal last year, it shocks me that this did not come out after Week 1.

[UNHWildCats]

And Mangini says he had permission, but why if the Patriots gave permission would they then remove the camera man from the stadium????

[tribe_pride]

And Mangini says he had permission, but why if the Patriots gave permission would they then remove the camera man from the stadium????

I don't know maybe they changed their mind. Maybe he is lying.

Another quote from a previous article states:


"All filming at last year's Patriots game was done with pre-approval from the Patriots and in accordance with NFL rules," Bruce Speight, the Jets' senior director of media relations, told Newsday.

Have you heard or read that the Jets were doing anything illegal or was he just asked to leave and stop? I have yet to read anything that said the Jets were doing anything illegal. Does that mean that everything was right? No but it doesn't mean anything was wrong either.

If something illegal was done, why wouldn't this have come out once NE got busted during the first week of the season?

[UNHWildCats]

They had a camera in a place they didnt have permission to have it!

[brownbear]

If Mangini is doing it too, that still doesn't make Bellichick look any better.

[UNHWildCats]

almost all the NFL teams did it.... dont know if they still are after the serious fine the Pats got smacked with, but most teams were doing it.... thats why Mangini will never get a NFL job after the Jets fire him because he ratted out a fellow coach for something most do....

[Peems]

I was waiting for Travis to bring this up...

There's a difference between filming the opposing team up in the endzone vs. filming the opposing teams signals from the sideline. If the Jets had done something illegal they would have had the same punishment as the Pats. Did anybody watch 1st and 10 today?

[tribe_pride]

They had a camera in a place they didnt have permission to have it!

Where did you read or hear that they did not initially have permission to have it. Or are you just assuming?

[UNHWildCats]

I was waiting for Travis to bring this up...

There's a difference between filming the opposing team up in the endzone vs. filming the opposing teams signals from the sideline. If the Jets had done something illegal they would have had the same punishment as the Pats. Did anybody watch 1st and 10 today?

you have no idea what they were filming....you have no idea where in the endzone the camera was... it it was in the far corner from the opposite sideline you can pick up signals.

Personally I dont have a problem with it, because while the Patriots get fined for what they did, by rules doing that and using the video if taken from the stands is totally legal.....

I just think its funny that back in September before anyone knew what was on the video taken from the Patriots everyone was vilifying them, yet everyone is letting the Jets off just cause Mr Angel Mangini says its nothing.......

[tribe_pride]

you have no idea what they were filming....you have no idea where in the endzone the camera was... it it was in the far corner from the opposite sideline you can pick up signals.

Personally I dont have a problem with it, because while the Patriots get fined for what they did, by rules doing that and using the video if taken from the stands is totally legal.....

I just think its funny that back in September before anyone knew what was on the video taken from the Patriots everyone was vilifying them, yet everyone is letting the Jets off just cause Mr Angel Mangini says its nothing.......

I agree that I have know idea what they were filming and have said that Mangini may be lying but I have also said that he may not have been. Neither of us know the facts. I have been saying don't jump to conclusions.

You are criticizing others for jumping to conclusions in the past but lets look at what you said earlier in this post.


He says they had permission from the Patriots to tape from where they were, yet the Patriots removed the cameraman, so obviously they didnt have permission, that right there shows Mangini is lying!


They had a camera in a place they didnt have permission to have it!

[UNHWildCats]

if they had permission to have the camera there they would not have thrown the guy out.

They claim to have had permission.

To me that clearly shows that they are lying.

[tribe_pride]

Guess we have to agree to disagree. To me, it looks like you are doing what you are criticizing people of doing in September. The whole story is not out and you are only listening to one side.

[SuperJon]

you have no idea what they were filming....you have no idea where in the endzone the camera was... it it was in the far corner from the opposite sideline you can pick up signals.

This statement shows that you have absolutely no clue how teams film football games. The Jets have said they were trying to get a second end zone shot for coaching purposes. That means they were directly between the field goal posts or slightly off center. That's where you film for coaching tapes. There's no way they were in the far corner and anyone without an obvious bias would know that.

[UNHWildCats]

This statement shows that you have absolutely no clue how teams film football games. The Jets have said they were trying to get a second end zone shot for coaching purposes. That means they were directly between the field goal posts or slightly off center. That's where you film for coaching tapes. There's no way they were in the far corner and anyone without an obvious bias would know that.
Maybe they were and thats why the guy was tossed from the stadium.

[SuperJon]

And maybe someone will bring me $10,000 while I sleep tonight.


Neither one is likely.

[TheValleyRaider]

Personally I dont have a problem with it, because while the Patriots get fined for what they did, by rules doing that and using the video if taken from the stands is totally legal.....

I just think its funny that back in September before anyone knew what was on the video taken from the Patriots everyone was vilifying them, yet everyone is letting the Jets off just cause Mr Angel Mangini says its nothing.......

Give me a break man, the Pats broke an NFL rule. It was written right there in the book saying they couldn't do what they were doing. They got caught, and they caught crap for it.

Do other teams do it? Yeah

Does that make it legal? No

If anything, the Jets broke a rule from the Patriots, and were punished according to the Patriots rules. The Pats did the most stringent thing they could do, which is throw them out. After that, there's no other recourse.

Man, some of this "woe is us" complex coming from the Patriots is just ridiculous... xrolleyesx

[whitey]

This is such a "non-story" that I complete believe I wasted 5 minutes of my life reading this thread.

The Jets did not break the rules last season, the NFL even backs up the Jets statements. The Pats broke the rules this season (this is not debatable).

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