AGS Poll Results 2023 Wk12 - SELECTION SUNDAY!

[AGSPoll]

11/19/2023



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1025
41


2
Montana Grizzlies
984



3
South Dakota Coyotes
941



4
Idaho Vandals
868



5
Villanova Wildcats
822



6
Albany Great Danes
796



7
Montana State Bobcats
742



8
North Dakota State Bison
734



9
Furman Paladins
713



10
Austin Peay Governors
606



11
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
535



12
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
495



13
Southern Illinois Salukis
474



14
Mercer Bears
446



15
Chattanooga Mocs
373



16
Sac State Hornets
370



17
Youngstown State Penguins
323



18
North Carolina Central Eagles
267



19
Lafayette Leopards
253



20
Florida A&M Rattlers
246



21
Richmond Spiders
231



22
Incarnate Word Cardinals
191



23
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
169



24
Western Carolina Catamounts
159



25
UC Davis Aggies
128
















ORV:




26
Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
82



27
Holy Cross Crusaders
80



28
Nicholls Colonels
49



29
Tarleton Texans
46



30
Northern Iowa Panthers
44



31T
Harvard Crimson
36



31T
Eastern Illinois Panthers
36



33
Central Arkansas Bears
31



34
Yale Bulldogs
22



35
Drake Bulldogs
5



36
Samford Bulldogs
3








































Most Significant Win:
Montana Grizzlies






Most Significant Loss:
Furman Paladins

[Chalupa Batman]

The fully seeded AGS playoff field would look like this:

16 Sac State/17 Youngstown State @ 1 South Dakota State
9 Furman/24 Duquesne @ 8 North Dakota State

13 Southern Illinois/20 Richmond @ 4 Idaho
12 North Dakota/21 Gardner-Webb @ 5 Villanova

14 Mercer/19 Lafayette @ 3 South Dakota
11 Delaware/22 Nicholls @ 6 Albany

15 Chattanooga/18 North Carolina Central @ 2 Montana
10 Austin Peay/ 23 Drake @ Montana State

First 4 out: Incarnate Word, UT Martin, Western Carolina, UC Davis

[Professor Chaos]

This week's top 25 article: https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-12-top-25-results-5/

The at-large teams based on the AGS consensus:

1. South Dakota (3)
2. Idaho (4)
3. Albany (6)
4. Montana St (7)
5. NDSU (8)
6. Delaware (11)
7. UND (12)
8. Southern Illinois (13)
9. Mercer (14)
10. Chattanooga (15)
11. Sacramento St (16)
12. Youngstown St (17)
13. North Carolina Central (18)
14. Richmond (21)


First out:

Incarnate Word (22)
Tenneseee-Martin (23)
Western Carolina (24)
UC Davis (25)

[Chalupa Batman]

For your viewing pleasure:

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana Grizzlies
3: South Dakota Coyotes
4: Albany Great Danes
5: Idaho Vandals
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: Furman Paladins
8: North Dakota State Bison
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Austin Peay Governors
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: Mercer Bears
13: Youngstown State Penguins
14: Chattanooga Mocs
15: Southern Illinois Salukis
16: Richmond Spiders
17: UC Davis Aggies
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Lafayette Leopards
20: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
21: Sac State Hornets
22: Florida A&M Rattlers
23: Western Carolina Catamounts
24: Tarleton Texans
25: Holy Cross Crusaders

The Most Significant Win: UC Davis Aggies
The Most Significant Loss: Western Carolina Catamounts

[POD Knows]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana Grizzlies
3: South Dakota Coyotes
4: Villanova Wildcats
5: Albany Great Danes
6: Idaho Vandals
7: North Dakota State Bison
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Furman Paladins
10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Sac State Hornets
13: Chattanooga Mocs
14: Mercer Bears
15: Southern Illinois Salukis
16: Austin Peay Governors
17: North Carolina Central Eagles
18: Florida A&M Rattlers
19: Incarnate Word Cardinals
20: Youngstown State Penguins
21: UC Davis Aggies
22: Richmond Spiders
23: Western Carolina Catamounts
24: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
25: Lafayette Leopards

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Villanova Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Furman Paladins
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[TheKingpin28]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana Grizzlies
3: South Dakota Coyotes
4: Idaho Vandals
5: Albany Great Danes
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: North Dakota State Bison
9: Furman Paladins
10: Austin Peay Governors
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: Mercer Bears
13: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
14: Southern Illinois Salukis
15: North Carolina Central Eagles
16: Florida A&M Rattlers
17: Chattanooga Mocs
18: Western Carolina Catamounts
19: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
20: Youngstown State Penguins
21: Incarnate Word Cardinals
22: Sac State Hornets
23: Lafayette Leopards
24: Richmond Spiders
25: Tarleton Texans

I think this is the first year in awhile where AGS misses the At-Larges. I don't think NCCU or Sac St will make it this year and with the drubbing that Chatty had, I feel like AGS could miss on 3 ALs.

[MR. CHICKEN]

33171


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!

[Professor Chaos]

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Idk... the same thing was said about FAMU last year and they weren't selected at 9-2 with a similar resume.

[Professor Chaos]

Here's my crack at it.

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana Grizzlies
3: South Dakota Coyotes
4: Albany Great Danes
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Idaho Vandals
7: Furman Paladins
8: North Dakota State Bison
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Mercer Bears
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: Delaware Fightin Blue Hens
13: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
14: Southern Illinois Salukis
15: Austin Peay Governors
16: Lafayette Leopards
17: UC Davis Aggies
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Sac State Hornets
20: Chattanooga Mocs
21: North Carolina Central Eagles
22: Florida A&M Rattlers
23: Incarnate Word Cardinals
24: Western Carolina Catamounts
25: Eastern Illinois Panthers

[TheKingpin28]

Idk... the same thing was said about FAMU last year and they weren't selected at 9-2 with a similar resume.That drubbing by Howard holds them out and of course, had they won, they'd be going to the Celebration Bowl.

I think historical precedent is going to keep them out this year and Jay Walker is going to go on a racial discrimination tirade.

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[ysubigred]

Here's my crack at it.

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana Grizzlies
3: South Dakota Coyotes
4: Albany Great Danes
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Idaho Vandals
7: Furman Paladins
8: North Dakota State Bison
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: Mercer Bears
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: Delaware Fightin Blue Hens
13: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
14: Southern Illinois Salukis
15: Austin Peay Governors
16: Lafayette Leopards
17: UC Davis Aggies
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Sac State Hornets
20: Chattanooga Mocs
21: North Carolina Central Eagles
22: Florida A&M Rattlers
23: Incarnate Word Cardinals
24: Western Carolina Catamounts
25: Eastern Illinois Panthers

FYI, Best poll I've seen ^^

[crusader11]

That drubbing by Howard holds them out and of course, had they won, they'd be going to the Celebration Bowl.

I think historical precedent is going to keep them out this year and Jay Walker is going to go on a racial discrimination tirade.

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One of the safest bets today.

[MR. CHICKEN]

33177........YET?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Alexa alarm set for 10:24 Mountain so I'll let you know. xlolx

[McCowboys]

Alexa alarm set for 10:24 Mountain so I'll let you know. xlolx

ESPNU has a basketball game going, and I keep yelling at the teams to stop fouling and quit calling timeouts. Praying for NO overtime!

[ursus arctos horribilis]

ESPNU has a basketball game going, and I keep yelling at the teams to stop fouling and quit calling timeouts. Praying for NO overtime!

I saw that but assumed it was a replay of something, if it's live then cut away U cuz we can't wait.

[McCowboys]

I saw that but assumed it was a replay of something, if it's live then cut away U cuz we can't wait.

The game is live. Maybe they would send the game over to its app/ESPN+ - It is ridiculous IMO for them to schedule any live sports event before a selection show.

[ysubigred]

The game is live. Maybe they would send the game over to its app/ESPN+ - It is ridiculous IMO for them to schedule any live sports event before a selection show.Hate to burst your bubble, we're talking 1FCS not P5 1BCS

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[ursus arctos horribilis]

33177........YET?

Go TIME BIG BIRD!

[Chalupa Batman]

Idaho gets the 4 seed. Set up for Eck to go back to Brookings.

[TheKingpin28]

Wow ndsu did not get a seed. Actually shocked by that

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[Chalupa Batman]

Bobcats get the 6 seed, surprised by that

[fencer24]

Bobcats get the 6 seed, surprised by that

My bet is that they are surprised as well.

[grizband]

Villanova won the CAA auto-bid by 4 points of point differential...

- - - Updated - - -

Gardner-Webb vs Mercer winner will face South Dakota State in Round 2

Mercer makes their first ever FCS playoff appearance

[MSUBobcat]

My bet is that they are surprised as well.

Yup. Thought maaaaaaaaybe the 8 seed. Rematch in Zoo for a chance at the chipper is all lined up. Hopefully we learn to tackle by then. Sheesh.

[grizband]

Duquesne vs Youngstown State winner will face #8 seed Villanova

[TheKingpin28]

Well NCCU took a bubble spot.

I will say this, the seeds are actually balanced.

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[grizband]

North Carolina Central makes the playoffs

They will face Richmond in the first round, the winner moving on to play #5 Albany

[Chalupa Batman]

Wow. I thought Lafayette/Delaware going to Albany was the biggest lock of the bracket

[grizband]

Nicholls and Southern Illinois winner will face #4 Idaho in Moscow

[Chalupa Batman]

The other side of the bracket is going to be absolutely LOADED!

[Gil Dobie]

Easy side of the bracket is set

[TheKingpin28]

I think NDSU actually lucked out by getting sent to the other side and if they can stay in the USD group/quadrant, that's best outcome IMO since they would stay in a dome, if they win out until possibly the semi finals.

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[Professor Chaos]

4 of 7 bubble spots taken (if you count Richmond as a bubble team). 3 spots left for these teams: Chattanooga, Sac St, UIW, UTM, UC Davis, WCU, Holy Cross

[TheKingpin28]

I don't think Montana State would win to make it the quarters. That beat down against Montana showed massive deficiencies and I'd love to see UND get sent there since I think they could win.

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[JSUSoutherner]

Oh yeah, this is today innit?

[grizband]

Sacramento State vs North Dakota winner will face #3 South Dakota

[grizband]

Drake vs North Dakota State winner will face #6 Montana State

[fencer24]

NDSU to MSU? Wow!

[TheKingpin28]

Oh that quadrant is nasty.

NDSU, USD, Montana State, UND and Sac St.

Yuck that is just a bad break for that grouping.

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[grizband]

Chattanooga vs Austin Peay winner will travel to #7 Furman

[WileECoyote06]

North Carolina Central makes the playoffs

They will face Richmond in the first round, the winner moving on to play #5 Albany

Woohoo! Eagle Pride!

[grizband]

Lafayette vs Delaware winner will travel to Missoula!

[Professor Chaos]

This week's top 25 article: https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-12-top-25-results-5/

The at-large teams based on the AGS consensus:

1. South Dakota (3)
2. Idaho (4)
3. Albany (6)
4. Montana St (7)
5. NDSU (8)
6. Delaware (11)
7. UND (12)
8. Southern Illinois (13)
9. Mercer (14)
10. Chattanooga (15)
11. Sacramento St (16)
12. Youngstown St (17)
13. North Carolina Central (18)
14. Richmond (21)


First out:

Incarnate Word (22)
Tenneseee-Martin (23)
Western Carolina (24)
UC Davis (25)
AGS consensus nailed the 14 at-large!

[Silenoz]

Lafayette vs Delaware winner will travel to Missoula!
Payback time, one billion years later xlolx

[Karl Havoc]

Sac State in, UC Davis out. Wowwww.

[TheKingpin28]

AGS consensus nailed the 14 at-large!I'll eat crow, but man, that is shocking but proud of this group as always. Excellent work again this year.

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[Professor Chaos]

Sac State in, UC Davis out. Wowwww.
2 years in a row that UC Davis has one of the biggest beefs about not being selected.

[UNHWildcat18]

I feel bad for Delaware. They have been stacking up injuries and are limping into the playoffs.

[caribbeanhen]

Payback time, one billion years later xlolx

not so fast, unless you’re talking about Lafayette

[Chalupa Batman]

AGS consensus nailed the 14 at-large!

We are the unofficial committee resource

[crusader11]

Sac St over UC Davis is criminal.

Davis was 5-3 in the Big Sky. Sac St was 4-4. And, as we know, Davis won the head-to-head.

[Chalupa Batman]

Sac St over UC Davis is criminal.

Davis was 5-3 in the Big Sky. Sac St was 4-4. And, as we know, Davis won the head-to-head.

#facts

[Professor Chaos]

Sac St over UC Davis is criminal.

Davis was 5-3 in the Big Sky. Sac St was 4-4. And, as we know, Davis won the head-to-head.
I can see the argument - Sac St played each of the 3 Big Sky seeds while UC Davis only played one so conference record should be taken with a grain of salt. UC Davis had bad losses to NAU and EWU. That's head-to-head UCD win the day before Selection Sunday is a real big thing to have to overlook though when they have identical 7-4 records.

[atthewbon]

The committee didn't seem to value head to head much

[taper]

Sac St over UC Davis is criminal.

Davis was 5-3 in the Big Sky. Sac St was 4-4. And, as we know, Davis won the head-to-head.
Has to be that Stanford win. Stanford isn't even good but has that shiny P5 label.

[grizband]

Kent Haslam (Montana) talking about the selections while ESPNU shows Last 4 In/First 4 Out

Last 4 In
Mercer
Chattanooga
Sacramento State
Youngstown State

First 4 Out
Eastern Illinois
UT Martin
UC Davis
Holy Cross

Martin looked like a playoff lock earlier in the season.

[Chalupa Batman]

Bus trips in the 2nd round are not a priority at all any more. The committee skipped out on a couple guaranteed bus trips. Could've had NDSU/Drake to either SDSU or USD (with UND going to the other one), & Lafayette/Delaware to Albany.

[grizband]

Haslam stating that Sac State's path to selection was more difficult than UC Davis, based on playing three seeded teams, an FBS win, and a win over Nicholls (conference winner).

[POD Knows]

This Haslam guy from the BSC just articulated why NDSU should have been seeded over MSU when he defended the selection of SAC State over Davis. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Gil Dobie]

Davis got woofed

[grizband]

Sac St over UC Davis is criminal.

Davis was 5-3 in the Big Sky. Sac St was 4-4. And, as we know, Davis won the head-to-head.


Has to be that Stanford win. Stanford isn't even good but has that shiny P5 label.
Montana's AD is currently being interviewed and stated this directly. Playing three seeded teams, beating a P5 school, and beating a conference winner was the deciding factor over UC Davis.

[TheKingpin28]

This Haslam guy from the BSC just articulated why NDSU should have been seeded over MSU when he defended the selection of SAC State over Davis. Thanks for clearing that up.Yep, but the committee gave them the easiest match up to offset it. The seeds were balanced but the match-ups are massively unbalanced.

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[nickp]

NC Central has 3 wins over CAA teams

[WileECoyote06]

AGS consensus nailed the 14 at-large!

Pretty impressive. Which AGS lurker is in the room? xcoffeexxlolx

[lucchesicourt]

That is now 2 years in a row when a conference opponent finished lower in the conference standings than Davis and got into the playoffs and Davis being left out.
I think there is definitely biasness against Davis. Maybe it's time to go real D1.
We have the facilities to add, we have a large student population and alumni, and we are already academically beyond most D1 requirements.
The selection committee will only let Davis in if the have a much better record than the older fcs established teams.
Davis would have been left out if there was a 6-5 established team.
Sac should NOT have gotten in over Davis. If you want to say Davis lost to such weaker teams. Than a loss to UC Davis should have dropped them out of the top 25 since using logic here. Davis is a weaker team than NAU and EWU so Sac lost to a weak Davis team. How dies that look!

[lucchesicourt]

Ifb

[POD Knows]

Yep, but the committee gave them the easiest match up to offset it. The seeds were balanced but the match-ups are massively unbalanced.

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We got Drake because of regionalization. I really don’t have a problem with the Bison not getting a seed but I really do not understand the MSU 6 seed. They had one good win and they must have given a ton of weight to the loss at SDSU, I really don’t get it but it is what it is. Bison need to prove they can win on the road. These overrated CAA teams will be fit early. That happens virtually every year, they don’t have JMU to lean on.

[lucchesicourt]

Now last year Davis beat a D1 team , and lost 5 games to top 10 teams, and won the rest including a win over Weber ranked, but somehow Montana who did not beat a team with a.500 record got in over David's and finished in 6th place in conference.
Use your logic here did you?

[cmt]

Montana's AD is currently being interviewed and stated this directly. Playing three seeded teams, beating a P5 school, and beating a conference winner was the deciding factor over UC Davis.

Last year ticked me off way more. I understand Sac getting in over Davis. You can’t just go off of H2H and have to look at the whole picture. It’s definitely more frustrating because it happened a second year in a row though.

[lucchesicourt]

Would the losses instead of being against EWU and UNA made any difference if they were losses to MSU and Weber and their record was still 7-4 and they beat Sac. I mean a !odd is a loss. That is what was said when we lost 5 games to the top ten opponents. So, is a loss is a loss or are losses determined differently this year.

[atthewbon]

SDSU played and beat 7 teams that made the playoffs this regular season. That's got to be one of the highest ever.

[MUMD]

Martin looked like a playoff lock earlier in the season.

SoCon middle of the pack Samford beat Big South/OVC leader Martin handily yesterday. So glad the SoCon got the 3 team respect. Now we need to do something with it.

[POD Knows]

SDSU played and beat 7 teams that made the playoffs this regular season. That's got to be one of the highest ever.Dude, I was kind of dumbfounded how you came up with your numbers because I forgot you played Drake early in the year. That 7 wins would be interesting to check out, maybe one of the data miners can see, I know that NDSU beat a bunch of playoff teams one year but I doubt it was 7 though.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Bus trips in the 2nd round are not a priority at all any more. The committee skipped out on a couple guaranteed bus trips. Could've had NDSU/Drake to either SDSU or USD (with UND going to the other one), & Lafayette/Delaware to Albany.

I'd have to go look but I think the bus trip applies to first round only unless I'm missing what you are saying here.

The committe can't skip out on the rules because once they do their match ups an NCAA rep goes over them to make sure the rules are abided by and if not they go back to fix it.

[Chalupa Batman]

I'd have to go look but I think the bus trip applies to first round only unless I'm missing what you are saying here.

The committe can't skip out on the rules because once they do their match ups an NCAA rep goes over them to make sure the rules are abided by and if not they go back to fix it.

I’ll go back and listen if I have time, but I thought in Haslam’s interview with Sam Herder he said after the seeds are set the 1st round matchups are set according to regionalization (like you said here). And then the 1st round matchups are bracketed to the seeds also based on regionalization, unless they have to do something like split up a conference that gets 4 or more bids on opposite sides of the bracket.

[SDFS]

I feel bad for Delaware. They have been stacking up injuries and are limping into the playoffs.

The Griz get a cake walk to the semis - Furman starting QB hurt, Delaware injuries as you noted. Massey Rating (#2 Mont, #16 Furman, #35 Chat, #9 AP, #31 Laf, #18 Delaware).

USD gets Massey Rating (#5 USD, Sac St. #12, UND #10, MSU #4, NDSU #3, Drake #94). How didn't Drake get sent to the region of rejects for Montana to beat up on?

[SDFS]

Sac St over UC Davis is criminal.

Davis was 5-3 in the Big Sky. Sac St was 4-4. And, as we know, Davis won the head-to-head.

Even worse when you see NCC in and you are on the sidelines.

[MR. CHICKEN]

Payback time, one billion years later xlolx


......UNTIL THEN.........49-48......GRIZZWALDS...................BRAWK!

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I’ll go back and listen if I have time, but I thought in Haslam’s interview with Sam Herder he said after the seeds are set the 1st round matchups are set according to regionalization (like you said here). And then the 1st round matchups are bracketed to the seeds also based on regionalization, unless they have to do something like split up a conference that gets 4 or more bids on opposite sides of the bracket.

Yeah, I'm getting my information from the same guy in an interview we did with him 5 or so years back but they can't think that rule was as prevalent after the first round because my logic is that if it were then the NCAA compliance would have probably made the point to them...but like I say would have to go back and listen to the Wedge again to see as well.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

......UNTIL THEN.........49-48......GRIZZWALDS...................BRAWK!

Right when it popped up I texted my friend "30 yrs. later we get the chance to avenge that 49-48 Wing T debacle" or something like that. xlolx

[Chalupa Batman]

Yeah, I'm getting my information from the same guy in an interview we did with him 5 or so years back but they can't think that rule was as prevalent after the first round because my logic is that if it were then the NCAA compliance would have probably made the point to them...but like I say would have to go back and listen to the Wedge again to see as well.

They obviously do some regionalization, Fordham/New Hampshire @ Holy Cross, Weber going to Montana State last year, Youngstown/Duquesne going to Villanova this year. But it does seem that it’s not THE top priority.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana Grizzlies
3: South Dakota Coyotes
4: Idaho Vandals
5: Albany Great Danes
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Austin Peay Governors
9: North Dakota State Bison
10: Furman Paladins
11: Mercer Bears
12: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
13: Chattanooga Mocs
14: Richmond Spiders
15: Lafayette Leopards
16: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17: Youngstown State Penguins
18: Florida A&M Rattlers
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
21: North Carolina Central Eagles
22: Holy Cross Crusaders
23: Western Carolina Catamounts
24: Yale Bulldogs
25: UC Davis Aggies

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: Furman Paladins
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[SDFS]

NC Central has 3 wins over CAA teams

That is like saying they beat 3 Pioneer League teams lets take a look at the resume: NC AT (95), Campbell (59) an OT win, and Elon (33). The Elon win was the only team with a winning record. The rest: 127, 108, 91, 78, 126 plus a DII win. How does the full schedule count with this being the resume of an at large team. Now they are questioning the MVFC when they let this NCC schedule in. Unbelievable.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

They obviously do some regionalization, Fordham/New Hampshire @ Holy Cross, Weber going to Montana State last year, Youngstown/Duquesne going to Villanova this year. But it does seem that it’s not THE top priority.

We're saying the same thing I think. It happens in the 2nd if it's easy but it is not a high priority like it is in 1st round.

[SDFS]

I'd have to go look but I think the bus trip applies to first round only unless I'm missing what you are saying here.

The committe can't skip out on the rules because once they do their match ups an NCAA rep goes over them to make sure the rules are abided by and if not they go back to fix it.

Really, how do you explain last year. It looked like the committee just made it up. PS - really soft bracket for Mont again this year.

[POD Knows]

Really, how do you explain last year. It looked like the committee just made it up. PS - really soft bracket for Mont again this year.
They are the second seed, it should be a softer bracket.

[Paladin1aa]

That is like saying they beat 3 Pioneer League teams lets take a look at the resume: NC AT (95), Campbell (59) an OT win, and Elon (33). The Elon win was the only team with a winning record. The rest: 127, 108, 91, 78, 126 plus a DII win. How does the full schedule count with this being the resume of an at large team. Now they are questioning the MVFC when they let this NCC schedule in. Unbelievable.

Yep. That frosts my arse.

Go MVFC. Show no mercy

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Really, how do you explain last year. It looked like the committee just made it up. PS - really soft bracket for Mont again this year.

I don't need to explain it. You can have any opinion you would like to. I'm telling you how they have to do it coming straight from several fellers now that are/were/have been on the selection committee.

But I'm sure you know better.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

They are the second seed, it should be a softer bracket.

I couldn't tell what he was talking about but that was my same thought unless he was comparing to SDSU. I didn't go look but wasn't sure the gripe anyway because when you are taking about the top 2 seeds you need to understand how it works and sometimes it's a coin flip for what is seen as easier between the top two.

[SDFS]

I don't need to explain it. You can have any opinion you would like to. I'm telling you how they have to do it coming straight from several fellers now that are/were/have been on the selection committee.

But I'm sure you know better.

All I did was listen to the interviews last year. It was clear that they didn't follow the rules you are talking about. I think if you look at my historical posts I have multiple posts that clearly showed how they absolutely broke several rules. Thats it, not an insider. I just do the math and ask questions.

[HensRock]

Payback time, one billion years later xlolx

xnodx It's 30 years! But sadly, I don't think Delaware will be making the trip. That was a hellluva game in '93 though! 49-48. I think both teams scored 2 TD's each in the final 2-3 minutes.

FUN FACT: Montana was the #2 in 1993 also! UD was #15. That's when they had only 16 teams, and seeded everyone on merit. Travel was (obviously) not a consideration.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

All I did was listen to the interviews last year. It was clear that they didn't follow the rules you are talking about. I think if you look at my historical posts I have multiple posts that clearly showed how they absolutely broke several rules. Thats it, not an insider. I just do the math and ask questions.

Okay, name the rules and let's go over them. Maybe you are correct, or maybe it is just misunderstood what the rules actually are. That is normally the case. It could be that you are talking about differing philosophies among the group for selecting teams and so forth of which there are many...just like there are here with individual voters. BTW you know I am the one that vets the ballots for our poll and I know how you voted and how similar it is to the way the committee put things together right? Philosophies among groups can vary too so that makes it even more incongruous with people trying to do their best job of determining who they think are the best that should be in.. Last year 3 MVFC, this year 6, are they being unfair to everyone else? No, just the way it works out this year with all that went on around the country.

All of that is completely different than the aforementioned NCAA rules that I was speaking to C Batman about. So if you have broken rules let's see them and I'll send an email and ask why the NCAA rep let them bend or break those rules this time around.

As PC said, the committee duplicated what we did here as a consensus so not sure what the crying is all about. If we compare your ballot to the overall consensus there would be some minimal differences I am sure but for the most part your opinion and the consensus opinion would be fairly reflective especially at the top of the poll which is what matters the most in a tournament.

I'm not being a smart ass when I am asking what NCAA rules were broken if you have them. Not committee section work, NCAA rules.

[TheKingpin28]

We got Drake because of regionalization. I really don’t have a problem with the Bison not getting a seed but I really do not understand the MSU 6 seed. They had one good win and they must have given a ton of weight to the loss at SDSU, I really don’t get it but it is what it is. Bison need to prove they can win on the road. These overrated CAA teams will be fit early. That happens virtually every year, they don’t have JMU to lean on.Yeah MSU at 6 was a massive head scratcher but the regionalization finally paid off for NDSU getting a decent match up for their pod.

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[ursus arctos horribilis]

To any of the voters waiting for the poll to reopen so you can get your vote in by Noon ET tomorrow it is reopened. It won't count toward this poll but it will count toward your season vote if you have a perfection going.

[Chalupa Batman]

We're saying the same thing I think. It happens in the 2nd if it's easy but it is not a high priority like it is in 1st round.

Yeah pretty much. I'm not disappointed by it either, it's a little refreshing, but relatively surprised.

[McCowboys]

Yeah pretty much. I'm not disappointed by it either, it's a little refreshing, but relatively surprised.

Of the unseeded teams, is Southern Illinois the closest location for Nicholls?
Yeah, the Colonels have a lousy record, but they did go 5-0 in the conference and are the AQ, and it seems like they didn't get any respect at all.
Yeah, I know. They have a chance to prove it on the field.
But, if you say, geography is important in the first round, I'm just wondering about this.

[Chalupa Batman]

Of the unseeded teams, is Southern Illinois the closest location for Nicholls?
Yeah, the Colonels have a lousy record, but they did go 5-0 in the conference and are the AQ, and it seems like they didn't get any respect at all.
Yeah, I know. They have a chance to prove it on the field.
But, if you say, geography is important in the first round, I'm just wondering about this.

Nicholls doesn't have any teams in the field within 400 miles of them which means a bus trip is out of the equation. If you're going to be getting on a plane anyway, then pairing you with the closest team geographically pretty much goes out the window.

[McCowboys]

Nicholls doesn't have any teams in the field within 400 miles of them which means a bus trip is out of the equation. If you're going to be getting on a plane anyway, then pairing you with the closest team geographically pretty much goes out the window.

Dang those stupid Cajuns for building their university (Harvard on the Bayou) way down yonder in the swamp!

[Professor Chaos]

Of the unseeded teams, is Southern Illinois the closest location for Nicholls?
Yeah, the Colonels have a lousy record, but they did go 5-0 in the conference and are the AQ, and it seems like they didn't get any respect at all.
Yeah, I know. They have a chance to prove it on the field.
But, if you say, geography is important in the first round, I'm just wondering about this.
Probably not the closest - I think that would be Mercer but SIU isn't much further and both are over the 400 mile radius for bus travel so it didn't make a big difference anyway from a policy perspective on how they're supposed to build the bracket. Here's how the field looked in terms of seeded/unseeded teams (can't put good labels on it but you can see which one is Nicholls and that there isn't much around them for other playoff teams).

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53343612110_59986156d7_b.jpg

[McCowboys]

Probably not the closest - I think that would be Mercer but SIU isn't much further and both are over the 400 mile radius for bus travel so it didn't make a big difference anyway from a policy perspective on how they're supposed to build the bracket. Here's how the field looked in terms of seeded/unseeded teams (can't put good labels on it but you can see which one is Nicholls and that there isn't much around them for other playoff teams).

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53343612110_59986156d7_b.jpg

Thanks! I did think Georgia or Tennessee might be just a bit closer. ;-)
It's going to take them Cajuns a while to row the pirogues up the river so it is a good thing the game isn't until Saturday -- and no snow in the forecast!

I don't think it would matter much anyway. Back in the good ol' days when McNeese made the playoffs and had to travel, you can best bet we were sent off to UNI, Delaware, Montana, or Idaho.
I think before next year's selection committee meets, I'm going to send them an atlas.

[penguinpower]

I expect Youngstown to beat Villanova

[KnightoftheRedFlash]

That is like saying they beat 3 Pioneer League teams lets take a look at the resume: NC AT (95), Campbell (59) an OT win, and Elon (33). The Elon win was the only team with a winning record. The rest: 127, 108, 91, 78, 126 plus a DII win. How does the full schedule count with this being the resume of an at large team. Now they are questioning the MVFC when they let this NCC schedule in. Unbelievable.

Yup.

Committee messed up there.

[Catbooster]

Hey Ursus, not a big deal, but you've got 29 listed as a tie and it should be 31 that's tied.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Hey Ursus, not a big deal, but you've got 29 listed as a tie and it should be 31 that's tied.

Thanks man, I was in a hurry and messed a couple things up but my biggest mistake this year was copying last years sheets, erasing the team names and reusing the sheets without erasing the numbers....dumb as **** cuz I keep forgetting to correct the ties from the previous year.

I'll go get that repaired, appreciate the word up.

[taper]

Assuming the teams were chosen fairly, the committee didn't have any option other than the match-ups we see.
Sac, Nicholls, and Drake don't have bus trips. NDSU-UND played so are also out of bus range with any other team. SIU played AP so has no bus trips.

YSU- Duquesne, Delaware-Lafayette, and NCC-Richmond are no question required bus trips. 6 down.
Austin Peay already played Gardner-Webb and SIU, so their only remaining bus trip is Chat. 8 down.
Only remaining bus trip is Mercer-GW. 10 down.
For the 3 remaining pairs, UND-SIU didn't play in the regular season but that match-up increases distance for everyone else, plus is in conference. SIU-Nicholls makes sense. 12 down.
UND-Drake played, so Drake has to go to NDSU. That leaves Sac St to UND.

Gripe about the match-ups, but this really is the optimal travel schedule.

[Professor Chaos]

Have missed it but Albany has been setting program highs in the AGS Poll each of the last 3 weeks; at #12 in week 10, #8 in week 11, and #6 just now in week 12.