AGS Poll Results 2023 Wk3

[AGSPoll]

9/18/2023



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1098
42


2
North Dakota State Bison
1032
2


3
Montana State Bobcats
998



4
Holy Cross Crusaders
939



5
Sac State Hornets
896



6
Idaho Vandals
866



7
Furman Paladins
833



8
William & Mary Tribe
762



9
New Hampshire Wildcats
713



10
Incarnate Word Cardinals
703



11
Southern Illinois Salukis
686



12
Weber State Wildcats
606



13
Montana Grizzlies
499



14
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
475



15
UC Davis Aggies
455



16
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
394



17
Western Carolina Catamounts
366



18
Rhode Island Rams
364



19
Mercer Bears
326



20
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
259



21
North Carolina Central Eagles
190



22
Youngstown State Penguins
181



23
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
151



24
Samford Bulldogs
59



25
Albany Great Danes
58
















ORV:




26
Florida A&M Rattlers
47



27
Fordham Rams
46



28
Villanova Wildcats
44



29T
Campbell Fighting Camels
36



29T
Eastern Washington Eagles
36



31
Northern Iowa Panthers
33



32
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
24



33
Central Arkansas Bears
21



34
Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
19



35
Abilene Christian Wildcats
17



36
Illinois State Redbirds
12



37
Yale Bulldogs
9



38
Chattanooga Mocs
8



39T
Eastern Illinois Panthers
7



39T
Princeton Tigers
7



39T
South Dakota Coyotes
7










Most Significant Win:
Sac State Hornets





Most Significant Loss:
Southeastern Louisiana Lions

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Holy Cross Crusaders
5: Sac State Hornets
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: Idaho Vandals
8: Furman Paladins
9: Incarnate Word Cardinals
10: William & Mary Tribe
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: Southern Illinois Salukis
14: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
15: Western Carolina Catamounts
16: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
17: Yale Bulldogs
18: Mercer Bears
19: North Carolina Central Eagles
20: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: Rhode Island Rams
23: Princeton Tigers
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: UC Davis Aggies

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: Sac State Hornets
The Most Significant Loss: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[Professor Chaos]

This week's poll article: https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-2-top-25-results-2023/

Talk about a boring week... the shakeups are coming though with how weighted the top half of the poll is with Big Sky and MVFC teams; 10 of the top 15 are from those two conferences. Throw in the CAA and SOCON and that's 20 of the top 25. I'd expect someone(s) from the UAC and SWAC to crack the top 25 soon.

I apologize for jinxing Southeastern Louisiana for talking about their top 25 streak last week which came to an end with this poll (they had been in the top 25 in the last 45 AGS Poll releases).

[atthewbon]

Here is my ballot




SDSU
NDSU
Montana st
Idaho
Holy Cross
Sacramento st
Furman
William & Mary
Weber st
Southern Illinois
Incarnate Word
North Dakota
New Hampshire
SEMO
Montana
Western Carolina
NC Central
UC Davis
Mercer
Youngstown st
Delaware
Albany
Rhode Island
Northern Iowa
Samford

[FUBeAR]

If Furman keeps winning, y’all should be able to drop them completely out of the Top 25 in a few more weeks.

https://www.aconsciousrethink.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/cynical-man-line.jpg

[dewey]

Here's my top 25. Provide feedback as you see fit.

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Sac State Hornets
5: Furman Paladins
6: Holy Cross Crusaders
7: Idaho Vandals
8: William & Mary Tribe
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Western Carolina Catamounts
11: Incarnate Word Cardinals
12: Southern Illinois Salukis
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: Montana Grizzlies
16: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
17: Mercer Bears
18: Harvard Crimson
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: UC Davis Aggies
22: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: Campbell Fighting Camels
25: South Dakota Coyotes

dewey

The Most Significant Win: Sac State Hornets
The Most Significant Loss: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Dewey

[Chalupa Batman]

For everyone’s viewing pleasure:

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Holy Cross Crusaders
5: Furman Paladins
6: Idaho Vandals
7: Sac State Hornets
8: William & Mary Tribe
9: Southern Illinois Salukis
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Weber State Wildcats
12: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
13: UC Davis Aggies
14: Western Carolina Catamounts
15: Incarnate Word Cardinals
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Mercer Bears
18: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
19: Florida A&M Rattlers
20: Eastern Washington Eagles
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
23: Montana Grizzlies
24: Samford Bulldogs
25: Rhode Island Rams

The Most Significant Win: Sac State Hornets
The Most Significant Loss: Southeastern Louisiana Lions

[caribbeanhen]

For everyone’s viewing pleasure:

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Holy Cross Crusaders
5: Furman Paladins
6: Idaho Vandals
7: Sac State Hornets
8: William & Mary Tribe
9: Southern Illinois Salukis
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Weber State Wildcats
12: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
13: UC Davis Aggies
14: Western Carolina Catamounts
15: Incarnate Word Cardinals
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Mercer Bears
18: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
19: Florida A&M Rattlers
20: Eastern Washington Eagles
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
23: Montana Grizzlies
24: Samford Bulldogs
25: Rhode Island Rams

The Most Significant Win: Sac State Hornets
The Most Significant Loss: Southeastern Louisiana Lions

As a Delaware fan I wouldn’t want to play URI right now, we’ll have a better chance this Saturday against New Hampshire

The Rattlers but no Harvard? Que loco

[caribbeanhen]

Here's my top 25. Provide feedback as you see fit.

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Sac State Hornets
5: Furman Paladins
6: Holy Cross Crusaders
7: Idaho Vandals
8: William & Mary Tribe
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Western Carolina Catamounts
11: Incarnate Word Cardinals
12: Southern Illinois Salukis
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: Montana Grizzlies
16: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
17: Mercer Bears
18: Harvard Crimson
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: UC Davis Aggies
22: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: Campbell Fighting Camels
25: South Dakota Coyotes

dewey

The Most Significant Win: Sac State Hornets
The Most Significant Loss: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Dewey

Like the Harvard ranking, I had them in my poll as well but they are not receiving ORV

Campbell? I would Let that soup simmer a while longer…

[MSUBobcat]

9/18/2023



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1098
42


2
North Dakota State Bison
1032
2


3
Montana State Bobcats
998



4
Holy Cross Crusaders
939



5
Sac State Hornets
896



6
Idaho Vandals
866



7
Furman Paladins
833



8
William & Mary Tribe
762



9
New Hampshire Wildcats
713



10
Incarnate Word Cardinals
703



11
Southern Illinois Salukis
686



12
Weber State Wildcats
606



13
Montana Grizzlies
499



14
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
475



15
UC Davis Aggies
455



16
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
394



17
Western Carolina Catamounts
366



18
Rhode Island Rams
364



19
Mercer Bears
326



20
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
259



21
North Carolina Central Eagles
190



22
Youngstown State Penguins
181



23
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
151



24
Samford Bulldogs
59



25
Albany Great Danes
58
















ORV:




26
Florida A&M Rattlers
47



27
Fordham Rams
46



28
Villanova Wildcats
44



29T
Campbell Fighting Camels
36



29T
Eastern Washington Eagles
36



31
Northern Iowa Panthers
33



32
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
24



33
Central Arkansas Bears
21



34
Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
19



35
Abilene Christian Wildcats
17



36
Illinois State Redbirds
12



37
Yale Bulldogs
9



38
Chattanooga Mocs
8



39T
Eastern Illinois Panthers
7



39T
Princeton Tigers
7



39T
South Dakota Coyotes
7










Most Significant Win:
Sac State Hornets




Most Significant Loss:
Southeastern Louisiana Lions




Starting to see some general consensus in the top 7, give or take a spot on every ballot. The average difference between one team and the team below them for the top 7 is 44.167, which is nearly dead on with 44 voters (if everyone had the exact same votes, the difference from one to the next would be 44pts). Then there's W&M with a 71pt drop from Furman, suggesting that some voters punished them for their performance against a weak Chuck South (rightfully, IMO). The difference from #9 to #11 was a mere 27 points so voters felt you could put them in a hat and pick em. Then there's a BIG jump from #11 to #12 and again from #12 to #13, which I interpret as voters no longer having any semblance of consensus on the rest of the teams. It's still early-ish, but I just found it interesting that there appears to be only about 7 teams that everyone ranked very similarly to the other voters and nearly everyone probably has an outlier or 3 on their ballot that is much higher/lower than the poll results. Now that conference slates are set to begin (and few FBS games that muddy the waters with their lopsided results), I wonder if the consensus for the top teams grows a bit.

[MSUBobcat]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Holy Cross Crusaders
5: Sac State Hornets
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: Idaho Vandals
8: Furman Paladins
9: Incarnate Word Cardinals
10: William & Mary Tribe
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Youngstown State Penguins
13: Southern Illinois Salukis
14: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
15: Western Carolina Catamounts
16: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
17: Yale Bulldogs
18: Mercer Bears
19: North Carolina Central Eagles
20: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: Rhode Island Rams
23: Princeton Tigers
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: UC Davis Aggies

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: Sac State Hornets
The Most Significant Loss: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

You accounted for all 9 points for Yale. Also interesting to see YSU all the way at #12. They should trounce UNI this weekend then since Weber, who you didn't rank (I'm guessing oversight xconfusedx) beat them by 17.

[MSUBobcat]

Here's my top 25. Provide feedback as you see fit.

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Sac State Hornets
5: Furman Paladins
6: Holy Cross Crusaders
7: Idaho Vandals
8: William & Mary Tribe
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Western Carolina Catamounts
11: Incarnate Word Cardinals
12: Southern Illinois Salukis
13: New Hampshire Wildcats
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: Montana Grizzlies
16: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
17: Mercer Bears
18: Harvard Crimson
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: UC Davis Aggies
22: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: Campbell Fighting Camels
25: South Dakota Coyotes

dewey

The Most Significant Win: Sac State Hornets
The Most Significant Loss: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Dewey


Like the Harvard ranking, I had them in my poll as well but they are not receiving ORV

Campbell? I would Let that soup simmer a while longer…

Something not adding up here. If Dewey gave them 8pts and you gave them at least 1 point, they should show up in the ORV tied with Yale at a minimum. Did you miss the deadline, Dewey?

[F'N Hawks]

UND looked like **** out at Boise. If anyone dropped them I wouldn't be mad about it.

[smilo]

Hard to believe William & Mary's position in this poll. I soured after week one (#6-#24-#23-#24 so far), but I would allow voters to take that as a fluke. But two mediocre-to-ugly performances like that (and really nothing in the second half vs. Wofford either) leaves a lot of question marks.

Montana made their debut in my poll this week at #23. Felt validated by the close opening match. Respect for the Ferris State win, but it was at home after all. That doesn't scream "obvious top 10-15 omission" but I shall not forget when 2014 Sam Houston was boat-raced out of their own house by CSU-Pueblo. (Of course, Villanova beats that squad with a healthy John Robertson and they are "merely" a quarterfinalist.) Good enough to rank the Grizz, and I wouldn't object to mid-teens.

[Chalupa Batman]

If Furman keeps winning, y’all should be able to drop them completely out of the Top 25 in a few more weeks.

https://www.aconsciousrethink.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/cynical-man-line.jpg

I’m pretty sure you were one of the biggest advocates here last year saying, among other things, that just because a ranked team keeps winning shouldn’t mean they get to automatically keep that ranking (or move up when teams in front of them lose). So I guess FUBeAR’s finally getting what he’s asked for!


That being said, I held Furman at #5 but Idaho and Sac State were right on their heels.

[KPSUL]

If Furman keeps winning, y’all should be able to drop them completely out of the Top 25 in a few more weeks.



Which of the 6 teams ahead of Furman would you move out of the way to advance The Palidans?

[SeattleCat]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Holy Cross Crusaders
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Sac State Hornets
6: Idaho Vandals
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Incarnate Word Cardinals
9: Southern Illinois Salukis
10: Furman Paladins
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: William & Mary Tribe
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: Rhode Island Rams
15: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
16: UC Davis Aggies
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: North Carolina Central Eagles
19: Western Carolina Catamounts
20: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
21: Montana Grizzlies
22: Youngstown State Penguins
23: Mercer Bears
24: Samford Bulldogs
25: Eastern Washington Eagles

SeattleCat

The Most Significant Win: Sac State Hornets
The Most Significant Loss: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference

[MSUBobcat]

Which of the 6 teams ahead of Furman would you move out of the way to advance The Palidans?

Exactly. They fell ONE spot because Sac State, who had been #8, jumped 3 spots after beating P5 Stanford (along with Idaho and W&M). Furman's win over a bottom-quarter-of-FCS TTU </= Sac's win over Commerce, loss @ South Carolina < win @ Nicholls and win @ Kennesaw (who also lost to Chatty)<<< win @ Stanford. I think that's pretty fair.

[crusader11]

Here's my go at it.

Surprised Eastern Illinois isn't getting more votes. I'm higher on WCU than most (been that way since the preseason) --

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Holy Cross Crusaders
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Idaho Vandals
6: Sac State Hornets
7: Southern Illinois Salukis
8: William & Mary Tribe
9: Furman Paladins
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Western Carolina Catamounts
12: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: Incarnate Word Cardinals
15: UC Davis Aggies
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: Rhode Island Rams
18: Youngstown State Penguins
19: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
20: Mercer Bears
21: Albany Great Danes
22: Princeton Tigers
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Fordham Rams
25: Eastern Illinois Panthers

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

You accounted for all 9 points for Yale. Also interesting to see YSU all the way at #12. They should trounce UNI this weekend then since Weber, who you didn't rank (I'm guessing oversight xconfusedx) beat them by 17.

Holy Cross is simply that good! I would expect most of the teams in the mid to late teens to get thumped just the same. I'm much higher on YSU than most this year. I thought they had a claim last year to make the playoffs. Conversely, not that high on Weber State. I have them as the 5th or 6th best team in the Big Sky and fringe Top 25. There's a conference dynamic in place with UNI/YSU too so using the transitive score theory doesn't really work. Not that it really ever works....

[KPSUL]

Like the Harvard ranking, I had them in my poll as well but they are not receiving ORV

Campbell? I would Let that soup simmer a while longer…

Can't say that I agree with letting the soup simmer on Campbell, but ranking Harvard week 1, particularly as high as 18. Harvard was last in the Ivy based on Keeper's returning strength - you guys (Delaware) got their best 2022 receiver. I'll post mine this week so you can give it your best shot.

The UNH vs Delaware game should be very close, and fairly high scoring. Right now UNH, URI and Delaware are very hard to call. I can understand the reluctance to rank URI too high - they've managed to lose the key game which would have put them in the playoffs 3 out of the last 4 seasons. Delaware and UNH have very similar offenses so it may come down to the defenses Saturday.

[caribbeanhen]

Something not adding up here. If Dewey gave them 8pts and you gave them at least 1 point, they should show up in the ORV tied with Yale at a minimum. Did you miss the deadline, Dewey?

I had Harvard 25 but didn’t see confirmation email

People were ranking St Thomas pre-season and after getting beat down by Harvard, I figured the Crimson deserved to be in

[KPSUL]

Hello KPSUL,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/17/2023 11:16:20

Your vote is listed below.


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Sac State Hornets
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Holy Cross Crusaders
6: William & Mary Tribe
7: Incarnate Word Cardinals
8: New Hampshire Wildcats
9: Southern Illinois Salukis
10: Furman Paladins
11: Weber State Wildcats
12: Idaho Vandals
13: Rhode Island Rams
14: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
15: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: Western Carolina Catamounts
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: North Carolina Central Eagles
21: Youngstown State Penguins
22: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
23: Campbell Fighting Camels
24: Chattanooga Mocs
25: Samford Bulldogs

KPSUL

The Most Significant Win: Sac State Hornets
The Most Significant Loss: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Colonial Athletic Association

[caribbeanhen]

Can't say that I agree with letting the soup simmer on Campbell, but ranking Harvard week 1, particularly as high as 18. Harvard was last in the Ivy based on Keeper's returning strength - you guys (Delaware) got their best 2022 receiver. I'll post mine this week so you can give it your best shot.

The UNH vs Delaware game should be very close, and fairly high scoring. Right now UNH, URI and Delaware are very hard to call. I can understand the reluctance to rank URI too high - they've managed to lose the key game which would have put them in the playoffs 3 out of the last 4 seasons. Delaware and UNH have very similar offenses so it may come down to the defenses Saturday.

Not exactly sure what your point is on Campbell ? Are you saying there already in your top 25 or still a long way off? Edit: I see now you have em at 23…. Ok I won’t forget about this …

Kym Wimberly is the WR from Harvard a 1 year grad student from Slidell, La who I was excited to see choosing Delaware for his final year. He had a spectacular 48 yard TD reception Saturday that is a must see.

I agree with you on URI and our game this week. Delaware D will be exposed by Dylan McLaube like he had Wings ….

[MSUBobcat]

Holy Cross is simply that good! I would expect most of the teams in the mid to late teens to get thumped just the same. I'm much higher on YSU than most this year. I thought they had a claim last year to make the playoffs. Conversely, not that high on Weber State. I have them as the 5th or 6th best team in the Big Sky and fringe Top 25. There's a conference dynamic in place with UNI/YSU too so using the transitive score theory doesn't really work. Not that it really ever works....

I understand the conference opponent dynamic, but if an unranked BBQ can go in there and win by 17, surely the #12 team in the country wins by at least 2 TD's, not?

[MSUBobcat]

I had Harvard 25 but didn’t see confirmation email

People were ranking St Thomas pre-season and after getting beat down by Harvard, I figured the Crimson deserved to be in

Actually no one voted for St. Thomas in the preseason poll (https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?336272-AGS-Poll-Results-2023-Wk0). Perhaps you were thinking of the final poll of 2022 (https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?322081-AGS-Poll-FINAL-Results-2022-SEASON) or maybe recalled seeing them as "dropped out" in the FCS Wedge write-up for the preseason poll (https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-preseason-2023-top-25-results/)?

[KPSUL]

Laube will likely get his 200+ all purpose yards, but the UNH offense works best when QB Max Brosmer is accurately distributing the ball among 8 or 9 wide receivers for 200 more yards. The UNH defense may be incrementally better, we'll see. I know nothing about your QB, against CMU and Dartmouth the UNH D-Line was focused on containing an excellent running QB, if your guy is primarily a pocket passer we'll finally get to see how Dylan Ruiz and Josiah Silver can work together rushing the passer. I expect to see Delaware's Marcus Yarns get his 120 rushing yards and you've been right about how good the Hen's WRs are playing.

[dewey]

Something not adding up here. If Dewey gave them 8pts and you gave them at least 1 point, they should show up in the ORV tied with Yale at a minimum. Did you miss the deadline, Dewey?

Nope. I got my ballot in last night and got the confirmation email this morning.

Dewey

[dewey]

Which of the 6 teams ahead of Furman would you move out of the way to advance The Palidans?

Short answer....Furman should be #1 and Mercer #1a. No on else deserves to be ranked (channeling my inner FUBear thinking).🤣

Dewey

[MSUBobcat]

Nope. I got my ballot in last night and got the confirmation email this morning.

Dewey

xchinscratchx Who's doing the tallying here? I was a financial statement auditor for years :pumpuke: before moving out of public accounting. I could probably crunch 44 votes/week.

[caribbeanhen]

Actually no one voted for St. Thomas in the preseason poll (https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?336272-AGS-Poll-Results-2023-Wk0). Perhaps you were thinking of the final poll of 2022 (https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?322081-AGS-Poll-FINAL-Results-2022-SEASON) or maybe recalled seeing them as "dropped out" in the FCS Wedge write-up for the preseason poll (https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-preseason-2023-top-25-results/)?

That’s good

it might of been just talk of doing so that I remember

Sorry KPSUL, Campbell with a nice victory at average Monmouth just not worthy yet

[POD Knows]

That’s good

it might of been just talk of doing so that I remember

Sorry KPSUL, Campbell with a nice victory at average Monmouth just not worthy yet
I saw votes for ST Thomas and I am gonna go back and check. I was sure they had votes in the preseason poll.

[POD Knows]

That’s good

it might of been just talk of doing so that I remember

Sorry KPSUL, Campbell with a nice victory at average Monmouth just not worthy yet
There was votes for St Thomas in the week one coaches poll but I saw it some other place as well.

[MSUBobcat]

I saw votes for ST Thomas and I am gonna go back and check. I was sure they had votes in the preseason poll.

My post had hyperlinks to the preseason poll, the final poll of 2022 and the Wedge write up for the preseason poll. The only place they show up is in the "dropped out".

[caribbeanhen]

I saw votes for ST Thomas and I am gonna go back and check. I was sure they had votes in the preseason poll.

Every night you’re doing great things and with a little luck you just might find it

[Chalupa Batman]

I had Harvard 25 but didn’t see confirmation email

People were ranking St Thomas pre-season and after getting beat down by Harvard, I figured the Crimson deserved to be in


Actually no one voted for St. Thomas in the preseason poll (https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?336272-AGS-Poll-Results-2023-Wk0). Perhaps you were thinking of the final poll of 2022 (https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?322081-AGS-Poll-FINAL-Results-2022-SEASON) or maybe recalled seeing them as "dropped out" in the FCS Wedge write-up for the preseason poll (https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-preseason-2023-top-25-results/)?

CH’s memory is spot on here. St. Thomas wasn’t listed under ORV in the preseason pool because only the top 40 are listed, but at least 2 voters did put them in their polls.




Hello Mike296,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 7/26/2023 11:49:24

Your vote is listed below.

21: St. Thomas Tommies



Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 7/31/2023 15:07:51

Your vote is listed below.

25: St. Thomas Tommies



I thought I was going to be the only one with St Thomas in their poll. Guess you see something too?



For me, it is the fact that they are a former D-III with a successful past, a pretty darned good showing last year, and have invested and are quite serious about their football program. Oh, and they were picked to finish first in the Pioneer (which I only saw after I had submitted my poll). I know...Pioneer, but still. What I had seen from them most of last year was not that different in quality from watching a Friday evening Ivy game...caribbeanhen in 10, 9, 8, ...



Haha

Well mark September 16th on your calendar because Harvard is hosting St Thomas

it’s put up or shut up time for Ivy League in this one

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

How do people see the Big Sky? This is a conference I follow closely yet I am not nearly as high on UC Davis and Weber State as others. My observations tell me Montana State, Idaho, Sac State and Montana are the top 4 in the BSC and are legit semifinal or better contenders imo. Then there's a drop off after...

I will acknowledge that Weber State's conference slate is favorable. Their road games are basically the dreks of the conference. This week will tell a lot...

[Preferred Walk-On]

I had Harvard 25 but didn’t see confirmation email

People were ranking St Thomas pre-season and after getting beat down by Harvard, I figured the Crimson deserved to be in

Sorry. Late to the party. As CB quoted, there were a couple of votes (myself included) for the Tommies…in a preseason poll.

Definitely a slow week when we are talking 2 votes or 5 pt in a preseason poll, but what else is there to talk about? Even FuBEAR can’t get us talking about Furman…it’s the Tommies.

A vote for Harvard at 25 or so seems about right. Thank goodness they did not have the chance to lose in the first two weeks. ;)

Also, this is usually the week caribbean makes his national champion declaration, so looking forward to that. ;P


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[SeattleCat]

How do people see the Big Sky? This is a conference I follow closely yet I am not nearly as high on UC Davis and Weber State as others. My observations tell me Montana State, Idaho, Sac State and Montana are the top 4 in the BSC and are legit semifinal or better contenders imo. Then there's a drop off after...

I will acknowledge that Weber State's conference slate is favorable. Their road games are basically the dreks of the conference. This week will tell a lot...


IMO MSU, Idaho & Sac are on top. These 3 teams are going to the playoffs and at least 2 of the 3 will be seeded.

Weber and UCD are somewhat mysteries right now, but neither look to be as good as last year. Eastern is somewhat of a sneaky mystery too, are they for real? Montana is this close to putting for sale signs in Haucks yard, luckily he's still 3-0 but he's a 3-0 paper tiger imo. UM's offense has big problems if they can't score more than 17 on a D2, gonna be a long conference slate. They've got 2 in the bank, 2 50/50s, and 3 beat downs coming their way.

[caribbeanhen]

Sorry. Late to the party. As CB quoted, there were a couple of votes (myself included) for the Tommies…in a preseason poll.

Definitely a slow week when we are talking 2 votes or 5 pt in a preseason poll, but what else is there to talk about? Even FuBEAR can’t get us talking about Furman…it’s the Tommies.

A vote for Harvard at 25 or so seems about right. Thank goodness they did not have the chance to lose in the first two weeks. ;)

Also, this is usually the week caribbean makes his national champion declaration, so looking forward to that. ;P


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Only a Full Ride would go through all the work to pull all of that up, I’m glad I can still remember a few things

As far as the National Championship goes, if I was taking the easy way out I would just pick South Dakota State, but I’m not gonna do that.

I’ve been thinking about this today actually and I’m going to roll the Dice with my man Sluka and Holy Cross, He’s Just that good and a joy to watch play the game of football

[POD Knows]

My post had hyperlinks to the preseason poll, the final poll of 2022 and the Wedge write up for the preseason poll. The only place they show up is in the "dropped out".
They had votes in the AGS poll, they also had votes in non-Ags polls. Not a big deal but I did see reference to St Thomas in individual polls and other polls.

[MSUBobcat]

CH’s memory is spot on here. St. Thomas wasn’t listed under ORV in the preseason pool because only the top 40 are listed, but at least 2 voters did put them in their polls.

I stand corrected. I don't know if I saw that convo, but if I did, I don't recall it. Good memory, CH!

[MSUBobcat]

Sorry. Late to the party. As CB quoted, there were a couple of votes (myself included) for the Tommies…in a preseason poll.

Definitely a slow week when we are talking 2 votes or 5 pt in a preseason poll, but what else is there to talk about? Even FuBEAR can’t get us talking about Furman…it’s the Tommies.

A vote for Harvard at 25 or so seems about right. Thank goodness they did not have the chance to lose in the first two weeks. ;)

Also, this is usually the week caribbean makes his national champion declaration, so looking forward to that. ;P


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Haha. Yeah, slow week. I thought there'd be more discussion about EWU to be honest. Are they going to be a tough conference game? Bison handled them, but what else is new. They gave a good Fresno team all they could handle. And then obviously beating a (formerly) ranked SE LA. Are they putting things together?

[mvemjsunpx]

Previous week in parentheses…


1. South Dakota St. (1)
2. North Dakota St. (2)
3. Idaho (3)
4. Southern Illinois (4)
5. Holy Cross (6)
6. Montana St. (8)
7. Sacramento St. (16)
8. UC Davis (5)
9. Furman (9)
10. North Dakota (10)
11. New Hampshire (11)
12. Delaware (14)
13. William & Mary (7)
14. Western Carolina (23)
15. NC Central (15)
16. Youngstown St. (18)
17. Rhode Island (19)
18. Incarnate Word (21)
19. Southeast Missouri St. (13)
20. Albany (22)
21. Weber St. (25)
22. Eastern Washington (NR)
23. Southeastern Louisiana (12)
24. Montana (17)
25. Florida A&M (NR)

Dropped - Eastern Kentucky (20), Gardner-Webb (24)


W - Sacramento St.
L - Gardner-Webb

[Mike296]

CH’s memory is spot on here. St. Thomas wasn’t listed under ORV in the preseason pool because only the top 40 are listed, but at least 2 voters did put them in their polls.

I personally jumped the gun on putting St Thomas in. They definitely are not a Top 25 team this year. Do they have the potential to be down the road a few years? Maybe? Unless the Tommies go Scholly sometime down the road(which I don’t see happening at least in the near future. 10-15 years from now I can see it happening.) I don’t think they’d be competitive enough to do anything.

[kalm]

This week's poll article: https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-2-top-25-results-2023/

Talk about a boring week... the shakeups are coming though with how weighted the top half of the poll is with Big Sky and MVFC teams; 10 of the top 15 are from those two conferences. Throw in the CAA and SOCON and that's 20 of the top 25. I'd expect someone(s) from the UAC and SWAC to crack the top 25 soon.

I apologize for jinxing Southeastern Louisiana for talking about their top 25 streak last week which came to an end with this poll (they had been in the top 25 in the last 45 AGS Poll releases).

It’s appreciated.

[kalm]

Haha. Yeah, slow week. I thought there'd be more discussion about EWU to be honest. Are they going to be a tough conference game? Bison handled them, but what else is new. They gave a good Fresno team all they could handle. And then obviously beating a (formerly) ranked SE LA. Are they putting things together?

Special teams and red zone offense are liabilities. Visperas has played well against solid competition. Running game is improved and the defense is considerably better than last year so far.

We’re a wild card at this point. Will know a bunch after the next two: @Davis, Idaho.

[caribbeanhen]

Previous week in parentheses…


1. South Dakota St. (1)
2. North Dakota St. (2)
3. Idaho (3)
4. Southern Illinois (4)
5. Holy Cross (6)
6. Montana St. (8)
7. Sacramento St. (16)
8. UC Davis (5)
9. Furman (9)
10. North Dakota (10)
11. New Hampshire (11)
12. Delaware (14)
13. William & Mary (7)
14. Western Carolina (23)
15. NC Central (15)
16. Youngstown St. (18)
17. Rhode Island (19)
18. Incarnate Word (21)
19. Southeast Missouri St. (13)
20. Albany (22)
21. Weber St. (25)
22. Eastern Washington (NR)
23. Southeastern Louisiana (12)
24. Montana (17)
25. Florida A&M (NR)

Dropped - Eastern Kentucky (20), Gardner-Webb (24)


W - Sacramento St.
L - Gardner-Webb

not sure why Delaware jumps over William & Mary

Wins over Pebble Brook and St Mule so far are grain of salt games

And does anyone besides Delaware fans and KPSUL know who the QB is?

[MSUBobcat]

Special teams and red zone offense are liabilities. Visperas has played well against solid competition. Running game is improved and the defense is considerably better than last year so far.

We’re a wild card at this point. Will know a bunch after the next two: @Davis, Idaho.

Listening to the last quarter of game doing a landscaping project, I was expecting SLU to march the field for the game winner, in 2022 EWU defense fashion. Then the pick-6 to provide some space. Then solid D to force the turnover-on-downs (close to the first down on 3rd, but held and then held on 4th and 1). I thought to myself... well, this is a bit different! Still 29 points given up, but far from the 42+ from last year. This week in the Big Sky is going to start sorting things out a bit. 6 Big Sky teams in the top 15 and a 7th in the top 30 is too many anyway. EWU-Davis wasn't one I was interested in to start the year, but it is now! Sac @ Idaho will be a slobberknocker. MSU @ WSU will tell us how "for real" BBQ is. Tommy getting, or needing, more time to heal from whatever injury he has (Vigen wouldn't specify but it doesn't require surgery and didn't damage any ligaments).

[kdinva]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Furman Paladins
5: Holy Cross Crusaders
6: Sac State Hornets
7: Idaho Vandals
8: William & Mary Tribe
9: New Hampshire Wildcats
10: Incarnate Word Cardinals
11: UC Davis Aggies
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Southern Illinois Salukis
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
16: Western Carolina Catamounts
17: Rhode Island Rams
18: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
19: Villanova Wildcats
20: Mercer Bears
21: Campbell Fighting Camels
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Youngstown State Penguins
24: Samford Bulldogs
25: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks


The Most Significant Win: Campbell Fighting Camels
The Most Significant Loss: Southeastern Louisiana Lions

[mvemjsunpx]

not sure why Delaware jumps over William & Mary

Wins over Pebble Brook and St Mule so far are grain of salt games

And does anyone besides Delaware fans and KPSUL know who the QB is?

W&M has had underwhelming margins against crap opponents 2 weeks in a row. SFPA has been disappointing, but I'm still pretty sure they're better than Wofford or Charleston Southern.

[caribbeanhen]

W&M has had underwhelming margins against crap opponents 2 weeks in a row. SFPA has been disappointing, but I'm still pretty sure they're better than Wofford or Charleston Southern.

SFPA is awful, maybe their trying to get an invite to the Southern Conference

[KPSUL]

not sure why Delaware jumps over William & Mary

Wins over Pebble Brook and St Mule so far are grain of salt games

And does anyone besides Delaware fans and KPSUL know who the QB is?

Ryan O'Connor, 6'3", 195lbs. I believe he was with the Hens last season and saw some playing time. Not sure the passing game will be featured much this Saturday evening by either team - high winds and heavy rain from a "sub" tropical storm.

[FUBeAR]

SFPA is awful, maybe their trying to get an invite to the Southern Conference
Are you saying that the Red Flashes have turned down their invitation to be the 71st Team in the Coastal Atheltic Association? Thought that deal was still in the works. Did St. Francis end up a few box tops short or did the CAA downgrade the prize inside?

[grizband]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Holy Cross Crusaders
5: William & Mary Tribe
6: Idaho Vandals
7: Sac State Hornets
8: Southern Illinois Salukis
9: Furman Paladins
10: Weber State Wildcats
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
13: Incarnate Word Cardinals
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Montana Grizzlies
16: Mercer Bears
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Fordham Rams
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: Western Carolina Catamounts
22: Youngstown State Penguins
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
25: Abilene Christian Wildcats

grizband

The Most Significant Win: Sac State Hornets
The Most Significant Loss: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference

[crusader11]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Holy Cross Crusaders
5: William & Mary Tribe
6: Idaho Vandals
7: Sac State Hornets
8: Southern Illinois Salukis
9: Furman Paladins
10: Weber State Wildcats
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
13: Incarnate Word Cardinals
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Montana Grizzlies
16: Mercer Bears
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Fordham Rams
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: Western Carolina Catamounts
22: Youngstown State Penguins
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
25: Abilene Christian Wildcats

grizband

The Most Significant Win: Sac State Hornets
The Most Significant Loss: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference

Illinois State lost to Eastern Illinois last weekend.

[POD Knows]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Holy Cross Crusaders
5: Sac State Hornets
6: William & Mary Tribe
7: Idaho Vandals
8: Incarnate Word Cardinals
9: Southern Illinois Salukis
10: Weber State Wildcats
11: Furman Paladins
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: UC Davis Aggies
16: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
17: Mercer Bears
18: Rhode Island Rams
19: North Carolina Central Eagles
20: Western Carolina Catamounts
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: Youngstown State Penguins
23: Villanova Wildcats
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Sac State Hornets
The Most Significant Loss: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[MSUBobcat]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Holy Cross Crusaders
5: Sac State Hornets
6: William & Mary Tribe
7: Idaho Vandals
8: Incarnate Word Cardinals
9: Southern Illinois Salukis
10: Weber State Wildcats
11: Furman Paladins
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: UC Davis Aggies
16: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
17: Mercer Bears
18: Rhode Island Rams
19: North Carolina Central Eagles
20: Western Carolina Catamounts
21: Samford Bulldogs
22: Youngstown State Penguins
23: Villanova Wildcats
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Sac State Hornets
The Most Significant Loss: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference


Poking the FUBeAR.....

[KPSUL]

Poking the FUBeAR.....

With Mercer at 17 you're not poking hard enough!

[POD Knows]

With Mercer at 17 you're not poking hard enough!I nicked Furman because of the Kennesaw game, I think Kennesaw is pretty freaking average this year and I probably have Mercer a couple spots too high. We will see this weekend what shakes out in the Mercer Furman game this weekend. If Furman pushes them a around a little bit, they will be moved up.

[FUBeAR]

I nicked Furman because of the Kennesaw game, I think Kennesaw is pretty freaking average this year and I probably have Mercer a couple spots too high. We will see this weekend what shakes out in the Mercer Furman game this weekend. If Furman pushes them a around a little bit, they will be moved up.
Hey - just as long as we keep moving up Big Sky Teams for narrowly defeating D2’s & Non-Schollies, all is right here in AGS FCS BizarroWorld.

[POD Knows]

Hey - just as long as we keep moving up Big Sky Teams for narrowly defeating D2’s & Non-Schollies, all is right here in AGS FCS BizarroWorld.I had Furman at 10 in my 2nd week poll, dropped them a spot this week, I also dropped Montana a spot vs my week 2 poll. I think that Ferris State would beat Kennesaw by double digits.

[FUBeAR]

Ferris State would beat Kennesaw by double digits.
Well, of course.

Ferris did beat Ashland by 10.
And Ashland lost to IUP by 7.
And IUP lost to East Stroudsburg by 1.

Everyone knows any of these 4 Football Powerhouses with 36 scholarships would dominate a Transitioning-to-FBS-ConferenceUSA Team with up to 85 kids on scholarship.

It’s #SettledScience

[POD Knows]

Well, of course.

Ferris did beat Ashland by 10.
And Ashland lost to IUP by 7.
And IUP lost to East Stroudsburg by 1.

Everyone knows any of these 4 Football Powerhouses with 36 scholarships would dominate a Transitioning-to-FBS-ConferenceUSA Team with up to 85 kids on scholarship.

It’s #SettledScience
Lot of garbage G5 teams.

[grizband]

Illinois State lost to Eastern Illinois last weekend.
You are correct...not sure what I was thinking not ranking EIU.

[crusader11]

You are correct...not sure what I was thinking not ranking EIU.

…or dropping Illinois St from 14.

[caribbeanhen]

Hello Caribbeanhen ,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/18/2023 6:20:48

Your vote is listed below.


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Holy Cross Crusaders
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Sac State Hornets
6: Idaho Vandals
7: Southern Illinois Salukis
8: Incarnate Word Cardinals
9: Furman Paladins
10: William & Mary Tribe
11: Weber State Wildcats
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Western Carolina Catamounts
14: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
15: North Carolina Central Eagles
16: Rhode Island Rams
17: UC Davis Aggies
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: Mercer Bears
20: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
21: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
22: Youngstown State Penguins
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Harvard Crimson
25: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks

[kalm]

Hey - just as long as we keep moving up Big Sky Teams for narrowly defeating D2’s & Non-Schollies, all is right here in AGS FCS BizarroWorld.

BSC is 3 and right behind 2 in SOS.

SoCon is 8.

[FUBeAR]

BSC is 3 and right behind 2 in SOS.

SoCon is 8.
Hey - You’ll never catch FUBeAR telling anyone that y’all ain’t damn good at rigging the game and keeping it rigged. You are.

There’s an 84 post thread here doing nothing more than trying to turn a D2 Team into the ‘72 Dolphins which proves how important that is to y’all.

Meanwhile a SWAC Team rolled up a comparable D2 Team by 3 scores, as any fully-funded FCS Team should do, but not a peep about that game.


Y’all are the best at what you do. FUBeAR sees it clearly.

[Chalupa Batman]

Hey - You’ll never catch FUBeAR telling anyone that y’all ain’t damn good at rigging the game and keeping it rigged. You are.

There’s an 84 post thread here doing nothing more than trying to turn a D2 Team into the ‘72 Dolphins which proves how important that is to y’all.

Meanwhile a SWAC Team rolled up a comparable D2 Team by 3 scores, as any fully-funded FCS Team should do, but not a peep about that game.


Y’all are the best at what you do. FUBeAR sees it clearly.

There wasn't much chatter about it, but it does seem AGS did notice the result you highlighted. Florida A&M was bumped up from #33 the previous week to #26 this week, while Montana was dinged slightly falling from #12 to #13.

But what makes them "comparable"? Because they're both ranked in the top 10 of the D2 poll? They were both top 10 last season when Ferris State beat the same "comparable" team by the exact same 21 point margin.

If one assumes that the "comparable" team hasn't closed the gap between them, and since Ferris State and the #26 team in last weeks AGS poll are both 21 points better than this "comparable" team, we can conclude that Ferris State is a fringe top 25 team, no? Even if the "comparable" team closed the gap to 14 points, Ferris State is only 7 points worse than a fringe top 25 team. But you think we should be acting like Montana played a JV 9 man football team last week.

[FUBeAR]

Ferris State beat the same "comparable" team by the exact same 21 point margin.
OK, OK…y’all have beaten FUBeAR down.

FUBeAR succumbs and will agree to acknowledge that Montana effectively proved last week that they are almost as good as some SWAC Teams.

[Chalupa Batman]

OK, OK…y’all have beaten FUBeAR down.

FUBeAR succumbs and will agree to acknowledge that Montana effectively proved last week that they are almost as good as some SWAC Teams.

Florida A&M is almost universally recognized as the best team in the SWAC. Using comparative scores, Ferris State is equal to Florida A&M (again, the best team in the SWAC). Montana is 7 points better than Ferris State (who, again, is equal to the best team in the SWAC). FUBeAR's conclusion: Montana is "almost" as good as "some" SWAC teams.

For someone who is constantly using comparative scores when arguing why one team is better than another, your commitment to completely ignoring comparative scores in this case is.....commendable?

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I promise, I won't be ranking ANY Ivy Leaguers this week...lol