AGS Poll Results 2023 Wk1

[AGSPoll]

9/5/2023


Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1223
47


2
North Dakota State Bison
1149
2


3
Montana State Bobcats
1129



4
Furman Paladins
1039



5
Holy Cross Crusaders
973



6
William & Mary Tribe
923



7
Samford Bulldogs
897



8
Idaho Vandals
804



9
Incarnate Word Cardinals
771



10
Sac State Hornets
767



11
New Hampshire Wildcats
724



12
UC Davis Aggies
593



13
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
584



14
Montana Grizzlies
549



15
Weber State Wildcats
543



16
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
522



17
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
514



18
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
347



19
Mercer Bears
291



20
Northern Iowa Panthers
278



21
North Carolina Central Eagles
245



22
Southern Illinois Salukis
242



23
Rhode Island Rams
179



24
Youngstown State Penguins
116



25
Elon Phoenix
95
















ORV:




26
Albany Great Danes
75



27
Florida A&M Rattlers
59



28
Central Arkansas Bears
39



29
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
32



30
Yale Bulldogs
26



31
Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
25



32
Villanova Wildcats
24



33
Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
22



34
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
19



35
Illinois State Redbirds
19



36
Richmond Spiders
18



37
North Alabama Lions
16



38
Fordham Rams
15



39
Missouri State Bears
13



40
Princeton Tigers
10
















Most Significant Win:
Florida A&M Rattlers/Southern Illinois Salukis






Most Significant Loss:
Richmond Spiders

[POD Knows]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Furman Paladins
5: William & Mary Tribe
6: Holy Cross Crusaders
7: Samford Bulldogs
8: Idaho Vandals
9: Sac State Hornets
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Incarnate Word Cardinals
12: UC Davis Aggies
13: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Weber State Wildcats
16: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
17: Mercer Bears
18: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Rhode Island Rams
23: Youngstown State Penguins
24: North Carolina Central Eagles
25: North Alabama Lions

[atthewbon]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Holy Cross Crusaders
5: Furman Paladins
6: Incarnate Word Cardinals
7: Samford Bulldogs
8: William & Mary Tribe
9: Sac State Hornets
10: Idaho Vandals
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
14: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: North Carolina Central Eagles
18: UC Davis Aggies
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Mercer Bears
21: Southern Illinois Salukis
22: Youngstown State Penguins
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Illinois State Redbirds

[ursus arctos horribilis]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Furman Paladins
5: William & Mary Tribe
6: Holy Cross Crusaders
7: Samford Bulldogs
8: Idaho Vandals
9: Sac State Hornets
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Incarnate Word Cardinals
12: UC Davis Aggies
13: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Weber State Wildcats
16: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
17: Mercer Bears
18: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Rhode Island Rams
23: Youngstown State Penguins
24: North Carolina Central Eagles
25: North Alabama Lions

First in the gate on both sides of it this week.

[Professor Chaos]

This week's poll article: https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-1-top-25-results-4/

There's going to be some shake-ups coming as we get into conference play (if not before). There's 6 Big Sky teams in the top 15 and between the Big Sky, CAA, and MVFC that's 17 of the current top 25 so there's going to be some teams falling.

[POD Knows]

First in the gate on both sides of it this week.
Damn, forgot to post my significant win and significant loss, my significant win was UNA over Chatty, I think Chatty was ranked in the pre-season poll and the win by UNA was a good one following a decent performance at Mercer allowed for UNA to be in my top 25. Significant loss was Richmond, I don't know if anyone seen that coming.

[SeattleCat]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Furman Paladins
5: Idaho Vandals
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: Holy Cross Crusaders
8: Samford Bulldogs
9: Incarnate Word Cardinals
10: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
11: Sac State Hornets
12: William & Mary Tribe
13: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
14: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
15: Albany Great Danes
16: UC Davis Aggies
17: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: Youngstown State Penguins
22: North Carolina Central Eagles
23: Florida A&M Rattlers
24: Montana Grizzlies
25: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks

SeattleCat

The Most Significant Win: Montana State Bobcats
The Most Significant Loss: Chattanooga Mocs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference

[MSUBobcat]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Furman Paladins
5: Idaho Vandals
6: New Hampshire Wildcats
7: Holy Cross Crusaders
8: Samford Bulldogs
9: Incarnate Word Cardinals
10: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
11: Sac State Hornets
12: William & Mary Tribe
13: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
14: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
15: Albany Great Danes
16: UC Davis Aggies
17: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: Youngstown State Penguins
22: North Carolina Central Eagles
23: Florida A&M Rattlers
24: Montana Grizzlies
25: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks

SeattleCat

The Most Significant Win: Montana State Bobcats
The Most Significant Loss: Chattanooga Mocs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference

Most significant win was.... MSU drubbing Utah Tech? Or is that supposed to be the answer to what team you root for?

[Catbooster]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Furman Paladins
5: Holy Cross Crusaders
6: William & Mary Tribe
7: UC Davis Aggies
8: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
9: Samford Bulldogs
10: Idaho Vandals
11: Incarnate Word Cardinals
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Sac State Hornets
16: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: Mercer Bears
22: North Carolina Central Eagles
23: Youngstown State Penguins
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Florida A&M Rattlers

Catbooster

The Most Significant Win: Albany Great Danes
The Most Significant Loss: Richmond Spiders
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference

[SeattleCat]

Most significant win was.... MSU drubbing Utah Tech? Or is that supposed to be the answer to what team you root for?
I thought it was a very impressive drubbing of a fellow FCS team that could have been MUCH MUCH worse if the Cats wanted it to be, I didn't see another team in the FCS completely dominate there opponent like the Cats did. I may be Bias though.

[Catbooster]

This week's poll article: https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-1-top-25-results-4/

There's going to be some shake-ups coming as we get into conference play (if not before). There's 6 Big Sky teams in the top 15 and between the Big Sky, CAA, and MVFC that's 17 of the current top 25 so there's going to be some teams falling.
I agree that there won't be that many Big Sky, MVFC, CAA teams by the end - But I don't know which ones to drop yet.

[MSUBobcat]

I though it was a very impressive drubbing of a fellow FCS team that could have been MUCH MUCH worse if the Cats wanted it to be, I didn't see another team in the FCS completely dominate there opponent like the Cats did. I may be Bias though.

Fair enough. Just checking if that was intentional. I don't generally criticize since I no longer do a poll of my own.

[SeattleCat]

Fair enough. Just checking if that was intentional. I don't generally criticize since I no longer do a poll of my own.

I try to take my blue and gold glasses off for the poll, but with them on we're #1.

[Catbooster]

I thought it was a very impressive drubbing of a fellow FCS team that could have been MUCH MUCH worse if the Cats wanted it to be, I didn't see another team in the FCS completely dominate there opponent like the Cats did. I may be Bias though.
Personally, I thought a number of other teams also handled their FCS opponents easily - and some of them were on the road. But I didn't actually watch most of them so maybe you're right (and it's your opinion anyway so there's no wrong answer). Certainly the Cats could have made it look worse for UT Tech if they wanted.

I interpret the most significant win/loss to be most significant to my rankings. So MSU's win was insignificant in that regard. It didn't change my ranking of MSU at all. Albany got into my top 25 with their win and Richmond dropped out with their loss so they were the most significant for my poll. You can usually tell which team moved the most in my rankings compared to the previous week by seeing what games I picked as most significant.

There have been numerous threads discussing this over the years and opinions vary as to how voters interpret most significant. There's no reason you should change to how I think about it - just adding to the conversation.

[SeattleCat]

Personally, I thought a number of other teams also handled their FCS opponents easily - and some of them were on the road. But I didn't actually watch most of them so maybe you're right (and it's your opinion anyway so there's no wrong answer). Certainly the Cats could have made it look worse for UT Tech if they wanted.

I interpret the most significant win/loss to be most significant to my rankings. So MSU's win was insignificant in that regard. It didn't change my ranking of MSU at all. Albany got into my top 25 with their win and Richmond dropped out with their loss so they were the most significant for my poll. You can usually tell which team moved the most in my rankings compared to the previous week by seeing what games I picked as most significant.

There have been numerous threads discussing this over the years and opinions vary as to how voters interpret most significant. There's no reason you should change to how I think about it - just adding to the conversation.

I appreciate the insight, I almost said Albany they shot up my poll after their beating of Fordham.

[wmmii]

I had Albany as most significant win also

[FUBeAR]

This week's poll article: https://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-1-top-25-results-4/

There's going to be some shake-ups coming as we get into conference play (if not before). There's 6 Big Sky teams in the top 15 and between the Big Sky, CAA, and MVFC that's 17 of the current top 25 so there's going to be some teams falling.
This would yield Playoffs with…

6 Big Sky - 2 Seeded
5 MVFC - 2 Seeded
3 SoCon - 2 Seeded
3 CAA - 1 Seeded
2 Southland
1 Patriot - 1 Seeded
1 Big South / OVC
1 UAC
1 NEC
1 PFL

…and these as the last 4 OUT…



Rhode Island Rams


Youngstown State Penguins


Elon Phoenix


Albany Great Danes



Ooooohhhh….CAA Boyz gonna be maaaaad!!!

[MSUBobcat]

This would yield Playoffs with…

6 Big Sky - 2 Seeded
5 MVFC - 2 Seeded
3 SoCon - 2 Seeded
3 CAA - 1 Seeded
2 Southland
1 Patriot - 1 Seeded
1 Big South / OVC
1 UAC
1 NEC
1 PFL

…and these as the last 4 OUT…



Rhode Island Rams


Youngstown State Penguins


Elon Phoenix


Albany Great Danes



Ooooohhhh….CAA Boyz gonna be maaaaad!!!

It's a Week 1 poll. No one should be losing sleep over their placement at this point.

[Professor Chaos]

Here's a bit of AGS Poll trivia if anyone wants to play along: NDSU and SDSU have the two longest active streaks of consecutive appearances in the AGS Top 25 at 174 and 130 polls, respectively (those also happen to be the two longest streaks in the history of the AGS Poll). But see if you can guess who has the 3rd longest active streak (currently sitting at 44 consecutive polls)??? The answer would probably surprise you.

[Karl Havoc]

Here's a bit of AGS Poll trivia if anyone wants to play along: NDSU and SDSU have the two longest active streaks of consecutive appearances in the AGS Top 25 at 174 and 130 polls, respectively (those also happen to be the two longest streaks in the history of the AGS Poll). But see if you can guess who has the 3rd longest active streak (currently sitting at 44 consecutive polls)??? The answer would probably surprise you.

Sacramento?

[ElCid]

Here's a bit of AGS Poll trivia if anyone wants to play along: NDSU and SDSU have the two longest active streaks of consecutive appearances in the AGS Top 25 at 174 and 130 polls, respectively (those also happen to be the two longest streaks in the history of the AGS Poll). But see if you can guess who has the 3rd longest active streak (currently sitting at 44 consecutive polls)??? The answer would probably surprise you.

SELA?

[UAalum72]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: North Dakota State Bison
.
.
.
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Florida A&M Rattlers

Catbooster

The Most Significant Win: Albany Great Danes
The Most Significant Loss: Richmond Spiders
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference
Isn't "Most Significant Win" supposed to be, like, a win? (moral victory or not). Or did you mean Fordham in Week 0?

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Holy Cross Crusaders
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Furman Paladins
6: Sac State Hornets
7: New Hampshire Wildcats
8: Idaho Vandals
9: Incarnate Word Cardinals
10: William & Mary Tribe
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
13: Youngstown State Penguins
14: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
15: Yale Bulldogs
16: Samford Bulldogs
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: North Carolina Central Eagles
19: Princeton Tigers
20: Mercer Bears
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
23: Southern Illinois Salukis
24: Albany Great Danes
25: UC Davis Aggies

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: Southern Illinois Salukis
The Most Significant Loss: Richmond Spiders
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[SeattleCat]

Here's a bit of AGS Poll trivia if anyone wants to play along: NDSU and SDSU have the two longest active streaks of consecutive appearances in the AGS Top 25 at 174 and 130 polls, respectively (those also happen to be the two longest streaks in the history of the AGS Poll). But see if you can guess who has the 3rd longest active streak (currently sitting at 44 consecutive polls)??? The answer would probably surprise you.

Montana State should be close. Unless it includes 2020.

[Chalupa Batman]

Here's a bit of AGS Poll trivia if anyone wants to play along: NDSU and SDSU have the two longest active streaks of consecutive appearances in the AGS Top 25 at 174 and 130 polls, respectively (those also happen to be the two longest streaks in the history of the AGS Poll). But see if you can guess who has the 3rd longest active streak (currently sitting at 44 consecutive polls)??? The answer would probably surprise you.

Incarnate Word

[dewey]

Here's a bit of AGS Poll trivia if anyone wants to play along: NDSU and SDSU have the two longest active streaks of consecutive appearances in the AGS Top 25 at 174 and 130 polls, respectively (those also happen to be the two longest streaks in the history of the AGS Poll). But see if you can guess who has the 3rd longest active streak (currently sitting at 44 consecutive polls)??? The answer would probably surprise you.

GFCC (aka UND).

Dewey

[Chalupa Batman]

Sacramento?

I remember from my thread about unranked teams becoming seeds that Sac was unranked in the preseason 2021 poll so that would rule them out.

https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?337082-Which-team(s)-not-in-the-AGS-preseason-top-25-will-be-seeded-in-this-years-playoffs


Montana State should be close. Unless it includes 2020.

I would guess the spring season would be included so that would rule MSU out.

[Professor Chaos]

SELA?
You got it!

*virtual fist bump*

The last time Southeastern Louisiana was outside of the AGS top 25 was week 10 of 2019 - 45 AGS polls ago.


I would guess the spring season would be included so I think that would rule MSU out.
Correct - both Montana and Montana State have been in the AGS Top 25 since the 2021 fall preseason poll and they're sitting at 30 poll streaks. They're tied for the 4th longest active streaks behind NDSU, SDSU, and SLU.

For the other guesses UIW is at 25, Sac St is at 23, and UND is at 11.

[Mike296]

Hello Mike296,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/4/2023 5:39:35

Your vote is listed below.


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Holy Cross Crusaders
5: William & Mary Tribe
6: Furman Paladins
7: Samford Bulldogs
8: UC Davis Aggies
9: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Incarnate Word Cardinals
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Idaho Vandals
14: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
18: Sac State Hornets
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: Elon Phoenix
21: Mercer Bears
22: Youngstown State Penguins
23: Rhode Island Rams
24: Albany Great Danes
25: North Carolina Central Eagles

Mike296

The Most Significant Win: Holy Cross Crusaders
The Most Significant Loss: Richmond Spiders
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Atlantic Sun Conference

[grizband]

Most significant win was.... MSU drubbing Utah Tech? Or is that supposed to be the answer to what team you root for?


I thought it was a very impressive drubbing of a fellow FCS team that could have been MUCH MUCH worse if the Cats wanted it to be, I didn't see another team in the FCS completely dominate there opponent like the Cats did. I may be Bias though.


Fair enough. Just checking if that was intentional. I don't generally criticize since I no longer do a poll of my own.
I had MSU as the most significant win, because they looked in mid season form. It's early, and the criteria for this selection isn't always the same for me.

[MSUBobcat]

I had MSU as the most significant win, because they looked in mid season form. It's early, and the criteria for this selection isn't always the same for me.

Hey man, far be it for me to argue that every MSU W (especially one to keep the home win streak going) isn't the most significant!

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I thought it was a very impressive drubbing of a fellow FCS team that could have been MUCH MUCH worse if the Cats wanted it to be, I didn't see another team in the FCS completely dominate there opponent like the Cats did. I may be Bias though.

I thought it was real impressive amongst a lot of non impressive wins around the country but I tend to lean toward underdogs doing better and taking out the overdong but that is just a philosophy difference I think.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I had MSU as the most significant win, because they looked in mid season form. It's early, and the criteria for this selection isn't always the same for me.

That's funny, I said that exact thing to a buddy on Saturday night. Most look like they were playing game 1 from what I saw and MSU was sharp and mid season looking.

[caribbeanhen]

That's funny, I said that exact thing to a buddy on Saturday night. Most look like they were playing game 1 from what I saw and MSU was sharp and mid season looking.

Grannyville Clampett St would of looked in mid season form against that team

Montana St did as expected

[Catbooster]

Isn't "Most Significant Win" supposed to be, like, a win? (moral victory or not). Or did you mean Fordham in Week 0?
Yes, the week 0 win made me take a closer look (hence my most significant win vote), and then they had a decent showing against an FBS (even though they lost) on week 1. Had they not won so convincingly on week 0 I might not have paid much attention to a team that lost on week 1 (albeit closely and to an FBS).

Edit to add: since we didn't do a separate vote for week 0, I considered those games the same as week 1 for most significant.

[KPSUL]

I Selected FAMU beating Jackson State as the most significant win of the week. It is probably the only win of Week 1 that is likely to have a clear impact on a Conference Championship.

[mvemjsunpx]

Preseason vote in parentheses…


1. South Dakota St. (1)
2. North Dakota St. (2)
3. UC Davis (3)
4. Holy Cross (4)
5. William & Mary (5)
6. Idaho (6)
7. Montana St. (7)
8. New Hampshire (9)
9. Furman (8)
10. Samford (11)
11. North Dakota (13)
12. Southeastern Louisiana (10)
13. Southeast Missouri St. (12)
14. Elon (16)
15. Delaware (17)
16. NC Central (18)
17. Sacramento St. (19)
18. Montana (14)
19. Northern Iowa (15)
20. Youngstown St. (24)
21. Southern Illinois (NR)
22. Mercer (22)
23. Rhode Island (23)
24. Eastern Kentucky (20)
25. Incarnate Word (21)

Dropped - Richmond (25)


W - Florida A&M
L - Richmond

[FUBeAR]

Preseason vote in parentheses…

8. New Hampshire (9)
9. Furman (8)

????

* Furman - 35 point win over Big South/OVC Projected #4 Tennessee Tech (Massey #73)

* New Hampshire - 34 point win over NEC Projected next-to-last, D2 transitioning Stonehill (Massey #121)


From those results, you decided to swap these 2 Teams in your ranking?

[Chalupa Batman]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Holy Cross Crusaders
5: Furman Paladins
6: William & Mary Tribe
7: Samford Bulldogs
8: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
9: Idaho Vandals
10: Southern Illinois Salukis
11: UC Davis Aggies
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Sac State Hornets
14: Incarnate Word Cardinals
15: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
16: Northern Iowa Panthers
17: Mercer Bears
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
20: Montana Grizzlies
21: Florida A&M Rattlers
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
25: North Alabama Lions

The Most Significant Win: North Alabama Lions
The Most Significant Loss: Richmond Spiders

[Tribe4SF]

????

* Furman - 35 point win over Big South/OVC Projected #4 Tennessee Tech (Massey #73)

* New Hampshire - 34 point win over NEC Projected next-to-last, D2 transitioning Stonehill (Massey #121)


From those results, you decided to swap these 2 Teams in your ranking?

You have no one to blame nut yourself!:D

[nodak651]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Holy Cross Crusaders
5: Furman Paladins
6: William & Mary Tribe
7: Samford Bulldogs
8: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
9: Idaho Vandals
10: Southern Illinois Salukis
11: UC Davis Aggies
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Sac State Hornets
14: Incarnate Word Cardinals
15: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
16: Northern Iowa Panthers
17: Mercer Bears
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
20: Montana Grizzlies
21: Florida A&M Rattlers
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
25: North Alabama Lions

The Most Significant Win: North Alabama Lions
The Most Significant Loss: Richmond Spiders

I'd complain about UND's ranking, but you have UND above Montana. I think the two are comparable other than a better pioneer league win last week by UND, giving UND the edge. I don't understand why people aren't higher on UND though given that they should by all rights be better than last year and will have one of the best offenses in the country. Have also been more consistent than most over the past 5 or so years and have beaten many powers in that same time span such as Montana State, Montana, Sac, UC Davis, SDSU, UNI, Sam Houston, etc., and this team looks to be one of the best, and deepest, UND has fielded in the D1 era.

What's holding them back in the rankings this year?

[crusader11]

I'd complain about UND's ranking, but you have UND above Montana. I think the two are comparable other than a better pioneer league win last week by UND, giving UND the edge. I don't understand why people aren't higher on UND though given that they should by all rights be better than last year and will have one of the best offenses in the country. Have also been more consistent than most over the past 5 or so years and have beaten many powers in that same time span such as Montana State, Montana, Sac, UC Davis, SDSU, UNI, Sam Houston, etc., and this team looks to be one of the best, and deepest, UND has fielded in the D1 era.

What's holding them back in the rankings this year?

Totally agree and was about to post that NoDak should be higher. I think they’re a top ten club.

I’m also much higher on UC Davis than others.

The problem with these rankings, especially early in the season, is that you get a lot of group-think. Deviating from the herd isn’t always easy to do.

Here’s my go at it —

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Holy Cross Crusaders
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Furman Paladins
6: William & Mary Tribe
7: UC Davis Aggies
8: Samford Bulldogs
9: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
10: New Hampshire Wildcats
11: Idaho Vandals
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Incarnate Word Cardinals
14: Sac State Hornets
15: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
16: Southern Illinois Salukis
17: Montana Grizzlies
18: Rhode Island Rams
19: Albany Great Danes
20: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
21: North Carolina Central Eagles
22: Youngstown State Penguins
23: Princeton Tigers
24: Mercer Bears
25: Yale Bulldogs

[FUBeAR]

You have no one to blame nut yourself!:D
https://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/John-Ritter-As-Jack-Tripper-Confused-What-Reaction-On-Threes-Company_408x408.jpg

[rhowdyram]

This would yield Playoffs with…

6 Big Sky - 2 Seeded
5 MVFC - 2 Seeded
3 SoCon - 2 Seeded
3 CAA - 1 Seeded
2 Southland
1 Patriot - 1 Seeded
1 Big South / OVC
1 UAC
1 NEC
1 PFL

…and these as the last 4 OUT…



Rhode Island Rams


Youngstown State Penguins


Elon Phoenix


Albany Great Danes



Ooooohhhh….CAA Boyz gonna be maaaaad!!!

Rhode Island as a first four out team three years in a row would certainly be quite a kick in the nads. It's much better than where things were, but damn I'd love it if we could finally knock down the door.

[FUBeAR]

Rhode Island as a first four out team three years in a row would certainly be quite a kick in the nads. It's much better than where things were, but damn I'd love it if we could finally knock down the door.
As a Mercer fan, rhowdy, FUBeAR feels the pain spiraling thru your horns.

INCHES ... LITERALLY, INCHES, have cost Mercer a SoCon Championship and 2 Playoff berths in the past 2 years.

[Chalupa Batman]

I'd complain about UND's ranking, but you have UND above Montana. I think the two are comparable other than a better pioneer league win last week by UND, giving UND the edge. I don't understand why people aren't higher on UND though given that they should by all rights be better than last year and will have one of the best offenses in the country. Have also been more consistent than most over the past 5 or so years and have beaten many powers in that same time span such as Montana State, Montana, Sac, UC Davis, SDSU, UNI, Sam Houston, etc., and this team looks to be one of the best, and deepest, UND has fielded in the D1 era.

What's holding them back in the rankings this year?

Teams I have ranked 12-20 I could put in a blender and put in almost any order, that's how close they are to each other for me.

Your wins over the "powers" you listed in the last 5 years include a 2018 win against a Sac State team that went 2-8 and a 2019 win against a UC Davis team that went 5-7, plus wins against teams that went 6-5 (Sam Houston & Montana in 2018, UNI in 2022) & 7-5 (Sam Houston in 2019). You did have an impressive showing in the spring season beating playoff teams SIU, SDSU, & Missouri State but in the other 4 years the only playoff team you beat was Montana State in 2019. Your overall record in the last 5 years is 30-22 (25-20 not counting the spring season).

UND has done mostly what they're supposed to do the last 5 years, beating the teams they should beat and not beating the teams they shouldn't. IF you're going to try and use the results of that time frame to justify a higher ranking for UND this season it doesn't warrant a spot higher than the mid-teens IMO. Much like in the spring season when you quickly rose to #1 in the AGS poll, beat some of the top teams and you will shoot up the rankings again.

[SDFS]

I'd complain about UND's ranking, but you have UND above Montana. I think the two are comparable other than a better pioneer league win last week by UND, giving UND the edge. I don't understand why people aren't higher on UND though given that they should by all rights be better than last year and will have one of the best offenses in the country. Have also been more consistent than most over the past 5 or so years and have beaten many powers in that same time span such as Montana State, Montana, Sac, UC Davis, SDSU, UNI, Sam Houston, etc., and this team looks to be one of the best, and deepest, UND has fielded in the D1 era.

What's holding them back in the rankings this year?

You can't hide that defense. And you have games against Boise St., NDSU, SDSU, UNI, USD, Ill St. coming up. They will have the opportunity to prove they belong.

[KPSUL]

????

* Furman - 35 point win over Big South/OVC Projected #4 Tennessee Tech (Massey #73)

* New Hampshire - 34 point win over NEC Projected next-to-last, D2 transitioning Stonehill (Massey #121)


From those results, you decided to swap these 2 Teams in your ranking?

I agree no change justified. I had Furman 5th, UNH 8th and left them in place.

Actually there was not much need for me to make changes. I didn't have either Richmond or Chattanooga in my Pre-season Top 25. I did add FAMU to the end of my rankings.

[SeattleCat]

I'd complain about UND's ranking, but you have UND above Montana. I think the two are comparable other than a better pioneer league win last week by UND, giving UND the edge. I don't understand why people aren't higher on UND though given that they should by all rights be better than last year and will have one of the best offenses in the country. Have also been more consistent than most over the past 5 or so years and have beaten many powers in that same time span such as Montana State, Montana, Sac, UC Davis, SDSU, UNI, Sam Houston, etc., and this team looks to be one of the best, and deepest, UND has fielded in the D1 era.

What's holding them back in the rankings this year?

I gave UND some love, I think you guys are going to be really good this year.

[kdinva]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Furman Paladins
5: William & Mary Tribe
6: Samford Bulldogs
7: Holy Cross Crusaders
8: Idaho Vandals
9: Sac State Hornets
10: UC Davis Aggies
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Incarnate Word Cardinals
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
16: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: North Carolina Central Eagles
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Rhode Island Rams
22: Florida A&M Rattlers
23: Northern Iowa Panthers
24: Youngstown State Penguins
25: Mercer Bears


The Most Significant Win: Idaho Vandals
The Most Significant Loss: Richmond Spiders

[MR. CHICKEN]

Teams I have ranked 12-20 I could put in a blender and put in almost any order, that's how close they are to each other for me.

Your wins over the "powers" you listed in the last 5 years include a 2018 win against a Sac State team that went 2-8 and a 2019 win against a UC Davis team that went 5-7, plus wins against teams that went 6-5 (Sam Houston & Montana in 2018, UNI in 2022) & 7-5 (Sam Houston in 2019). You did have an impressive showing in the spring season beating playoff teams SIU, SDSU, & Missouri State but in the other 4 years the only playoff team you beat was Montana State in 2019. Your overall record in the last 5 years is 30-22 (25-20 not counting the spring season).




UND has done mostly what they're supposed to do the last 5 years, beating the teams they should beat and not beating the teams they shouldn't. IF you're going to try and use the results of that time frame to justify a higher ranking for UND this season it doesn't warrant a spot higher than the mid-teens IMO. Much like in the spring season when you quickly rose to #1 in the AGS poll, beat some of the top teams and you will shoot up the rankings again.

.....CHALUPA....WHEN WILL DEESE...HOMER POSTERS.....EVERAH REALIZE......DEY'RE POSTS...CAN BE CHECKED OUT.........SPIN AWAY.......NORFF DAKOTAH.....xsighx....AWK!

[FUBeAR]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Furman Paladins
5: William & Mary Tribe
6: Samford Bulldogs
7: Holy Cross Crusaders
8: Idaho Vandals
9: Sac State Hornets
10: UC Davis Aggies
11: New Hampshire Wildcats
12: Incarnate Word Cardinals
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
16: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: North Carolina Central Eagles
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Rhode Island Rams
22: Florida A&M Rattlers
23: Northern Iowa Panthers
24: Youngstown State Penguins
25: Mercer Bears


The Most Significant Win: Idaho Vandals
The Most Significant Loss: Richmond SpidersNice work - W&M a little high and Mercer a little low, but, overall....really nice job!

BEAT BUCKNELL!!!

[FUBeAR]

.....CHALUPA....WHEN WILL DEESE...HOMER POSTERS.....EVERAH REALIZE......DEY'RE POSTS...CAN BE CHECKED OUT.........SPIN AWAY.......NORFF DAKOTAH.....xsighx....AWK!
FUBeAR hears your squawking, Senor Pollo! FUBeAR abhors the 'homers.'

BUT ... the thing about this whole convo that chaps FUBeAR's hindquarters is WHY THE **** are we talking about results from 5 years ago in a weekly ranking/poll????

Do any of you 'historians' actually think AP Voters were checking out Colorado's 4th quarter scoring vs. Washington State in 2018 before they launched them into their Top 25 this week???

IT IS A WEEKLY RANKING / POLL - WEEKLY!!!! Ranking the relative quality of THESE 2023 Teams THIS WEEK!!!!

https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-29-2016/9ltStW.gif

[nodak651]

FUBeAR hears your squawking, Senor Pollo! FUBeAR abhors the 'homers.'

BUT ... the thing about this whole convo that chaps FUBeAR's hindquarters is WHY THE **** are we talking about results from 5 years ago in a weekly ranking/poll????

Do any of you 'historians' actually think AP Voters were checking out Colorado's 4th quarter scoring vs. Washington State in 2018 before they launched them into their Top 25 this week???

IT IS A WEEKLY RANKING / POLL - WEEKLY!!!! Ranking the relative quality of THESE 2023 Teams THIS WEEK!!!!

https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-29-2016/9ltStW.gif

Then explain Montana above UND please.

[FUBeAR]

Then explain Montana above UND please.
Thought the visual aid FUBeAR provided took care of that

[caribbeanhen]

The answer key 🔑

Hello Caribbeanhen ,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/4/2023 6:36:59

Your vote is listed below.


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Furman Paladins
5: William & Mary Tribe
6: Samford Bulldogs
7: Holy Cross Crusaders
8: Incarnate Word Cardinals
9: Idaho Vandals
10: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
11: Sac State Hornets
12: North Carolina Central Eagles
13: Southern Illinois Salukis
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: UC Davis Aggies
16: Mercer Bears
17: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
20: Montana Grizzlies
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Elon Phoenix
23: Yale Bulldogs
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: Albany Great Danes

[nodak651]

Thought the visual aid FUBeAR provided took care of that
When referring to results from this year? How so?

[Bisonator]

Then explain Montana above UND please.

They both beat weak teams. You could flip flop them but why are you making a big deal over it? What's to explain? Other then your team was lower you don't have much of an argument.

[nodak651]

They both beat weak teams. You could flip flop them but why are you making a big deal over it? What's to explain? Other then your team was lower you don't have much of an argument.

Because he specifically said that results were based on this year and Montana barely squeaked by BUTLER.
And because his douchy tone in his original response to a legitimate question.

[caribbeanhen]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Holy Cross Crusaders
5: Furman Paladins
6: William & Mary Tribe
7: Samford Bulldogs
8: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
9: Idaho Vandals
10: Southern Illinois Salukis
11: UC Davis Aggies
12: New Hampshire Wildcats
13: Sac State Hornets
14: Incarnate Word Cardinals
15: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
16: Northern Iowa Panthers
17: Mercer Bears
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
20: Montana Grizzlies
21: Florida A&M Rattlers
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
25: North Alabama Lions

The Most Significant Win: North Alabama Lions
The Most Significant Loss: Richmond Spiders

I never really understood your admiration for Austin Peay, are they done?

You’re really gonna hate my poll then:


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
22:
23:
24: Austin Peay Governors
25:

[Bisonator]

Because he specifically said that results were based on this year and Montana barely squeaked by BUTLER.
And because his douchy tone in his original response to a legitimate question.
xlolx good argument dudexlolx

[FUBeAR]

Because he specifically said that results were based on this year and Montana barely squeaked by BUTLER.
And because his douchy tone in his original response to a legitimate question.
HOLD ON....

Need clarification here...."douchy tone" - Is that directed at Chalupa, Mr. Chicken, or FUBeAR?

Usually, "All 3." would be the correct answer, but in this case...FUBeAR desires clarity, please.


AND, FWIW, (If it was directed @ FUBeAR, then know...) FUBeAR will continue to be 'douchy' (until Ursus boots him) toward any AGS Poll Voter who cites prior year (or years) performance (except 'last year' (only LAST year - no further)) in the first 2, maybe 3 weeks of the 'next' season) as any type of logical argument validating their Rankings of 'this year' Teams. We are in an era of Football where rosters and Coaches 'turn' as fast as FUBeAR can change out of his dirty drawers. Poll voters need to update their mental processes to reflect that. IT IS A WEEKLY RANKING of THIS YEAR'S TEAMS.

[Chalupa Batman]

I never really understood your admiration for Austin Peay, are they done?

You’re really gonna hate my poll then:


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
22:
23:
24: Austin Peay Governors
25:

I don't know that barely ranking them is admiration, but for the foreseeable future, yes.

[uni88]

HOLD ON....

Need clarification here...."douchy tone" - Is that directed at Chalupa, Mr. Chicken, or FUBeAR?

Usually, "All 3." would be the correct answer, but in this case...FUBeAR desires clarity, please.


AND, FWIW, (If it was directed @ FUBeAR, then know...) FUBeAR will continue to be 'douchy' (until Ursus boots him) toward any AGS Poll Voter who cites prior year (or years) performance (except 'last year' (only LAST year - no further)) in the first 2, maybe 3 weeks of the 'next' season) as any type of logical argument validating their Rankings of 'this year' Teams. We are in an era of Football where rosters and Coaches 'turn' as fast as FUBeAR can change out of his dirty drawers. Poll voters need to update their mental processes to reflect that. IT IS A WEEKLY RANKING of THIS YEAR'S TEAMS.

So once a year? xpeacex

[POD Knows]

I never really understood your admiration for Austin Peay, are they done?

You’re really gonna hate my poll then:


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
22:
23:
24: Austin Peay Governors
25:
I didn't see AP in your poll, what am I missing?

[Chalupa Batman]

I didn't see AP in your poll, what am I missing?

That's where I had AP in the preseason, so he thinks I have some sort of admiration for them.

[POD Knows]

That's where I had AP in the preseason, so he thinks I have some sort of admiration for them.Oh, OK, I think I had them in mine as well, but I lost my information regarding my pre season poll and can't remember for sure. :)

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Grannyville Clampett St would of looked in mid season form against that team

Montana St did as expected

Sure...

[MSUBobcat]

Sure...

I thought that was funny also. I don't know what changes occurred in the offseason and UTU wasn't a world beater, but they weren't horrendous. They didn't lose a game by more than 30 last year (to a solid Weber squad), played Sam close (admittedly SHSU wasn't as good as they had been in years past) and ended the year beating SFA, SUU, Tarleton State and lost to BYU by "only" 26. There's probably 1/4 of the FCS teams that wouldn't even BEAT Utah Tech, let alone by 43 (only UND over Drake 55-7 had a larger margin over an FCS team, if my scoreboard scanning is accurate).

[nodak651]

HOLD ON....

Need clarification here...."douchy tone" - Is that directed at Chalupa, Mr. Chicken, or FUBeAR?

Usually, "All 3." would be the correct answer, but in this case...FUBeAR desires clarity, please.


AND, FWIW, (If it was directed @ FUBeAR, then know...) FUBeAR will continue to be 'douchy' (until Ursus boots him) toward any AGS Poll Voter who cites prior year (or years) performance (except 'last year' (only LAST year - no further)) in the first 2, maybe 3 weeks of the 'next' season) as any type of logical argument validating their Rankings of 'this year' Teams. We are in an era of Football where rosters and Coaches 'turn' as fast as FUBeAR can change out of his dirty drawers. Poll voters need to update their mental processes to reflect that. IT IS A WEEKLY RANKING of THIS YEAR'S TEAMS.
You need to work on your reading comprehension if you can't figure out who I was referring to. Also, I've moved on and asked you a specific question about results from this season, which you seem to be ignoring (although it seems you did try to move the goal posts). No wonder this message board is dying.

[FUBeAR]

You need to work on your reading comprehension if you can't figure out who I was referring to. Also, I've moved on and asked you a specific question about results from this season, which you seem to be ignoring (although it seems you did try to move the goal posts). No wonder this message board is dying.
...and YOU called someone else "douchy?"

Bwhahhahahhahaha

[Redbird 4th & short]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Holy Cross Crusaders
5: Furman Paladins
6: Incarnate Word Cardinals
7: Samford Bulldogs
8: William & Mary Tribe
9: Sac State Hornets
10: Idaho Vandals
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
14: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: North Carolina Central Eagles
18: UC Davis Aggies
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Mercer Bears
21: Southern Illinois Salukis
22: Youngstown State Penguins
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Illinois State Redbirds


You may be a little early on the ISUr love, but not sure youre wrong either. But our offense is looking more and more promising like I had hoped/guessed on this site. For whatever that is worth after fall camp and 1 game against Dayton (8-3 last year). But a year ago, we struggled to move the ball against a Valpo (4-7) .. granted we had a brand new QB and OC, and lost our top RB in opener against Wisconsin. But it was night and day difference this vs last year in our "easy" nonconf game.

Keep an eye on our pass game ... I think Spack had a lobotomy, or finally heard the criticisms of our woefully inconsistent pass game over the years. We beat Dayton 41-0. In the first 3 qtrs with starters, we rolled up all 41 points and 425 yards on 44 plays, or 9.5 yards per play. Run to Pass was 24 to 37. We also did fair amount of no huddle ... so we lost TOP 23:21 to 36:39, despite the lopsided score. Obviously, we should win this game decisively and not have to brag about it. But that said, our offense is very different .. and we have the QB to make it work. Both the QB and OC were new last year, and we showed promise at times. But it was maddening how quickly Spack would go conservative. We'll see how he responds against a real opponent. But we can now at least run and pass, go hurry up or slow down, and maybe even chew gum at the same time now.

Defense remains a question mark, but we always reload eventually. But our offense is looking way more interesting this year .. year 2 with the new QB Annexstad and OC Tony Peterson. I hope it continues into MVFC season and we break it out as needed to mi things up against good teams.

https://pantagraph.com/sports/college/illinois-state/illinois-state-hurries-its-way-to-lopsided-season-opening-win/article_d413e338-49a4-11ee-9a27-332e46ad5d29.html#tracking-source=home-top-story

I'm assuming above won't open, so here was his jaw dropping quote .. this is, maybe was, his Achilles heel.

"It's time for us to get into modern football," said ISU coach Brock Spack of the new tempo system."

[nodak651]

...and YOU called someone else "douchy?"

Bwhahhahahhahaha

Reading comprehension problems again? I think I was pretty clear, but to help you out, I said that the tone of your response was douchy, not that you were douchy. But come to think of it... FUBeAR May FINALLY bE on To SoMeThInG!!!!


I'd complain about UND's ranking, but you have UND above Montana. I think the two are comparable other than a better pioneer league win last week by UND, giving UND the edge. I don't understand why people aren't higher on UND though given that they should by all rights be better than last year and will have one of the best offenses in the country. Have also been more consistent than most over the past 5 or so years and have beaten many powers in that same time span such as Montana State, Montana, Sac, UC Davis, SDSU, UNI, Sam Houston, etc., and this team looks to be one of the best, and deepest, UND has fielded in the D1 era.

What's holding them back in the rankings this year?


FUBeAR hears your squawking, Senor Pollo! FUBeAR abhors the 'homers.'

BUT ... the thing about this whole convo that chaps FUBeAR's hindquarters is WHY THE **** are we talking about results from 5 years ago in a weekly ranking/poll????

Do any of you 'historians' actually think AP Voters were checking out Colorado's 4th quarter scoring vs. Washington State in 2018 before they launched them into their Top 25 this week???

IT IS A WEEKLY RANKING / POLL - WEEKLY!!!! Ranking the relative quality of THESE 2023 Teams THIS WEEK!!!!

https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-29-2016/9ltStW.gif


Then explain Montana above UND please.


Thought the visual aid FUBeAR provided took care of that


When referring to results from this year? How so?


Because he specifically said that results were based on this year and Montana barely squeaked by BUTLER.
And because his douchy tone in his original response to a legitimate question.


HOLD ON....

Need clarification here...."douchy tone" - Is that directed at Chalupa, Mr. Chicken, or FUBeAR?

Usually, "All 3." would be the correct answer, but in this case...FUBeAR desires clarity, please.


AND, FWIW, (If it was directed @ FUBeAR, then know...) FUBeAR will continue to be 'douchy' (until Ursus boots him) toward any AGS Poll Voter who cites prior year (or years) performance (except 'last year' (only LAST year - no further)) in the first 2, maybe 3 weeks of the 'next' season) as any type of logical argument validating their Rankings of 'this year' Teams. We are in an era of Football where rosters and Coaches 'turn' as fast as FUBeAR can change out of his dirty drawers. Poll voters need to update their mental processes to reflect that. IT IS A WEEKLY RANKING of THIS YEAR'S TEAMS.


You need to work on your reading comprehension if you can't figure out who I was referring to. Also, I've moved on and asked you a specific question about results from this season, which you seem to be ignoring (although it seems you did try to move the goal posts). No wonder this message board is dying.


...and YOU called someone else "douchy?"

Bwhahhahahhahaha

[SeattleCat]

Well this spiraled out of control rather quickly.

[FUBeAR]

Well this spiraled out of control rather quickly....and douchily


FUBeAR is disappointed the headless chicken walking gif was completely overshadowed by the douchiness. Mr. Chicken surely would have had to comment about his kin's ability to function brainlessly...perhaps when completing their weekly rankings...right?

[MSUBobcat]

...and douchily


FUBeAR is disappointed the headless chicken walking gif was completely overshadowed by the douchiness. Mr. Chicken surely would have had to comment about his kin's ability to function brainlessly...perhaps when completing their weekly rankings...right?

xlolx At least everyone is staying fresh "down there".

[FUBeAR]

xlolx At least everyone is staying fresh "down there".
Yep - guess we can expect these kinds of things to happen on a late Summer's Eve, huh?

[Mike296]

I'd complain about UND's ranking, but you have UND above Montana. I think the two are comparable other than a better pioneer league win last week by UND, giving UND the edge. I don't understand why people aren't higher on UND though given that they should by all rights be better than last year and will have one of the best offenses in the country. Have also been more consistent than most over the past 5 or so years and have beaten many powers in that same time span such as Montana State, Montana, Sac, UC Davis, SDSU, UNI, Sam Houston, etc., and this team looks to be one of the best, and deepest, UND has fielded in the D1 era.

What's holding them back in the rankings this year?

I have UND at 9 though that’s tentative for the moment. Yes they look good and have that deep roster, but until they put it together in conference I legitimately have no problem dropping them to that 21-25 range. For now though they rank highly. Just as an aside, who is ranking UNI these days? They were 21st and didn’t even make my shortlist of teams for this week. Is it historical bias?

[caribbeanhen]

I didn't see AP in your poll, what am I missing?

You missed that I stole your answer Key comment, or at least you just gave me a break

No I didn’t rank Austin Peay but remembered Chulapa did pre-season. He puts out a good poll so that’s why I remembered his inclusion of AP in his top 25. I was hoping he could tell us why so maybe I could learn something

[caribbeanhen]

I thought that was funny also. I don't know what changes occurred in the offseason and UTU wasn't a world beater, but they weren't horrendous. They didn't lose a game by more than 30 last year (to a solid Weber squad), played Sam close (admittedly SHSU wasn't as good as they had been in years past) and ended the year beating SFA, SUU, Tarleton State and lost to BYU by "only" 26. There's probably 1/4 of the FCS teams that wouldn't even BEAT Utah Tech, let alone by 43 (only UND over Drake 55-7 had a larger margin over an FCS team, if my scoreboard scanning is accurate).

Montana St is part of the 3 headed FCS beast

I guess this Saturday the beast will rip one of his own heads off

[FUBeAR]

Montana St is part of the 3 headed FCS beast

I guess this Saturday the beast will rip one of his own heads off
Speaking of headless beasts, did you see that headless chicken walking around gif that FUBeAR posted? It’s awesome…

…but, seriously, speaking of heads being ripped off…

Let’s play a hypothetical game…

ASSUMPTION: You have SDSU ranked #1 and MontSt #2…no lower than #3 or you can’t play…

Scenario 1 - Hard-fought game, SDSU defeats MontSt by a point or 2…maybe 3…or the other way around…doesn’t matter for this game

Scenario 2 - Complete blowout, MontSt blows out SDSU by 3 or 4 scores and it’s never in doubt…or the other way around…doesn’t matter for this game

Scenario 3 - Good game, SDSU wins by 7-14 points or so and it’s pretty close throughout. Can clearly see that SDSU is the better Team, but MontSt is competitive…or the other way around…doesn’t matter for this game.

How do you rank ‘em in each scenario? … assume all other Teams in your Top 15 win about as expected.

If you want to distinguish between SDSU & MonSt in your response, for some reason, that’s cool. FUBeAR would think just using “Winner” or “Loser” would be enough, but maybe not.

All AGS Voters are going to have to make this decision … more or less … after Saturday, so it would seem fun to talk/type thru those thought processes in advance. We all may learn some things…

[POD Knows]

You missed that I stole your answer Key comment, or at least you just gave me a break

No I didn’t rank Austin Peay but remembered Chulapa did pre-season. He puts out a good poll so that’s why I remembered his inclusion of AP in his top 25. I was hoping he could tell us why so maybe I could learn somethingYea, I quit using the answer key quote after a ****ed up a couple polls, I am real sure I had AP in my pre-season poll as well.

[POD Knows]

Montana St is part of the 3 headed FCS beast

I guess this Saturday the beast will rip one of his own heads offGame will be over by halftime, SDSU will roll them again at home. Bookit

[POD Knows]

Speaking of headless beasts, did you see that headless chicken walking around gif that FUBeAR posted? It’s awesome…

…but, seriously, speaking of heads being ripped off…

Let’s play a hypothetical game…

ASSUMPTION: You have SDSU ranked #1 and MontSt #2…no lower than #3 or you can’t play…

Scenario 1 - Hard-fought game, SDSU defeats MontSt by a point or 2…maybe 3…or the other way around…doesn’t matter for this game

Scenario 2 - Complete blowout, MontSt blows out SDSU by 3 or 4 scores and it’s never in doubt…or the other way around…doesn’t matter for this game

Scenario 3 - Good game, SDSU wins by 7-14 points or so and it’s pretty close throughout. Can clearly see that SDSU is the better Team, but MontSt is competitive…or the other way around…doesn’t matter for this game.

How do you rank ‘em in each scenario? … assume all other Teams in your Top 15 win about as expected.

If you want to distinguish between SDSU & MonSt in your response, for some reason, that’s cool. FUBeAR would think just using “Winner” or “Loser” would be enough, but maybe not.

All AGS Voters are going to have to make this decision … more or less … after Saturday, so it would seem fun to talk/type thru those thought processes in advance. We all may learn some things…
I sort of proffered this in another thread, if SDSU blows out MSU, I might drop MSU a couple spots but not very far, if MSU blows out SDSU, I move MSU to #1, SDSU to number 2 because they are still better than the rest of the division. Close game either way, if MSU wins a close one, they move to 1 and SDSU to 2, I have NDSU at 3 in my poll.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Game will be over by halftime, SDSU will roll them again at home. Bookit


This here.

SDSU will own both LOS.

49-10

[F'N Hawks]

Reading comprehension problems again? I think I was pretty clear, but to help you out, I said that the tone of your response was douchy, not that you were douchy. But come to think of it... FUBeAR May FINALLY bE on To SoMeThInG!!!!

Enough. It’s Week 2, who cares

[FUBeAR]

I sort of proffered this in another thread, if SDSU blows out MSU, I might drop MSU a couple spots but not very far, if MSU blows out SDSU, I move MSU to #1, SDSU to number 2 because they are still better than the rest of the division. Close game either way, if MSU wins a close one, they move to 1 and SDSU to 2, I have NDSU at 3 in my poll.
Sound logic, especially the part FUBeAR bolded. Even though they lose by 40ish, if you still think they are better than your #3 Team, then #2 is the right spot. FUBeAR thinks a lot of voters would think as you do, but would move the bunnies down to 5-7…cuz they got blown out … even though they (the voters) still think the bunnies are the 2nd best Team…”Well, they can just work their way back up to #2 in the coming weeks.”

Seems screwy to FUBeAR. Maybe voters don’t so that, but FUBeAR thinks they do.

[Chalupa Batman]

This here.

SDSU will own both LOS.

49-10

This game is going to be pretty competitive, Bobcats were better than last years showing in Brookings and they have been stewing over that loss for 9 months. And while it didn't change the outcome IMO, the weather conditions did have more of an impact on MSU than SDSU. In the end I think SDSU still prevails, something like 38-27. Bobcat offense can put up some points, but I don't think they'll be able to slow down SDSU's offense very much.

[caribbeanhen]

Sound logic, especially the part FUBeAR bolded. Even though they lose by 40ish, if you still think they are better than your #3 Team, then #2 is the right spot. FUBeAR thinks a lot of voters would think as you do, but would move the bunnies down to 5-7…cuz they got blown out … even though they (the voters) still think the bunnies are the 2nd best Team…”Well, they can just work their way back up to #2 in the coming weeks.”

Seems screwy to FUBeAR. Maybe voters don’t so that, but FUBeAR thinks they do.

some voters do and some don’t

Now do the Coaches!

what about the other games? What if Holy Cross beats Boston College and Montana St gets blown out? In that scenario HC > Montana St for now

[OhioHen]

I have the two teams at 1 and 3.

If 1 wins, they stay 1. Blowout = 3 drops a spot or 2, close = 3 stays 3.

If 3 wins, they go to 1. Blowout = 1 drops to 3, close = 1 drops to 2.

[Gil Dobie]

Speaking of headless beasts, did you see that headless chicken walking around gif that FUBeAR posted? It’s awesome…

…but, seriously, speaking of heads being ripped off…

Let’s play a hypothetical game…

ASSUMPTION: You have SDSU ranked #1 and MontSt #2…no lower than #3 or you can’t play…

Scenario 1 - Hard-fought game, SDSU defeats MontSt by a point or 2…maybe 3…or the other way around…doesn’t matter for this game

Scenario 2 - Complete blowout, MontSt blows out SDSU by 3 or 4 scores and it’s never in doubt…or the other way around…doesn’t matter for this game

Scenario 3 - Good game, SDSU wins by 7-14 points or so and it’s pretty close throughout. Can clearly see that SDSU is the better Team, but MontSt is competitive…or the other way around…doesn’t matter for this game.

How do you rank ‘em in each scenario? … assume all other Teams in your Top 15 win about as expected.

If you want to distinguish between SDSU & MonSt in your response, for some reason, that’s cool. FUBeAR would think just using “Winner” or “Loser” would be enough, but maybe not.

All AGS Voters are going to have to make this decision … more or less … after Saturday, so it would seem fun to talk/type thru those thought processes in advance. We all may learn some things…

Scenario #3, Furman moves to #2.

[FUBeAR]

some voters do and some don’t

Now do the Coaches!

what about the other games? What if Holy Cross beats Boston College and Montana St gets blown out? In that scenario HC > Montana St for nowYep - that's the way FUBeAR would swing

[FUBeAR]

I have the two teams at 1 and 3.

If 1 wins, they stay 1. Blowout = 3 drops a spot or 2, close = 3 stays 3.

If 3 wins, they go to 1. Blowout = 1 drops to 3, close = 1 drops to 2.
Well-stated and well-reasoned.

Only question would be #3 only dropping "a spot" if blown out. If #4-#7 do as expected (as assumed), would have to really think hard about whether or not FUBeAR's #3 could beat FUBeAR's #7 on a neutral field...so, FUBeAR is thinking '4 or 5 spots' if blown out...but would have to think really hard about it.

[FUBeAR]

Scenario #3, Furman moves to #2.
Nope - with a blowout win over FBS P5 SEC South Carolina, Furman moves to #1 regardless of which scenario plays out in the MSU @ SDSU game.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

This game is going to be pretty competitive, Bobcats were better than last years showing in Brookings and they have been stewing over that loss for 9 months. And while it didn't change the outcome IMO, the weather conditions did have more of an impact on MSU than SDSU. In the end I think SDSU still prevails, something like 38-27. Bobcat offense can put up some points, but I don't think they'll be able to slow down SDSU's offense very much.


SDSU's defense is elite and very good against the run. Mellott is average at best throwing so this game will not be close IMO. Ya, the 1st half might be close but SDSU's OL will grind down the Cats defense and the SDSU defense is too good for a run heavy team.

If this game is close, I'll be shocked. Who knows, I've been wrong before....

[POD Knows]

This game is going to be pretty competitive, Bobcats were better than last years showing in Brookings and they have been stewing over that loss for 9 months. And while it didn't change the outcome IMO, the weather conditions did have more of an impact on MSU than SDSU. In the end I think SDSU still prevails, something like 38-27. Bobcat offense can put up some points, but I don't think they'll be able to slow down SDSU's offense very much.why did the weather have more of an impact on MSU, MSU was a run heavy team that also plays outdoors in the winter. Actually I think that the weather conditions should have favored the Bobcats or at worse, been a wash.

Anyway, I am hoping that MSU beats SDSU but SDSU is so loaded at so many positions that it is their game to lose. They are completely capable of laying an egg and have done so in the past but I get the feeling that they are over the hump after the Natty.

[SeattleCat]

why did the weather have more of an impact on MSU, MSU was a run heavy team that also plays outdoors in the winter. Actually I think that the weather conditions should have favored the Bobcats or at worse, been a wash.

Anyway, I am hoping that MSU beats SDSU but SDSU is so loaded at so many positions that it is their game to lose. They are completely capable of laying an egg and have done so in the past but I get the feeling that they are over the hump after the Natty.

Weather wasn't the factor, it was SDSU's gameplan and execution. SDSU played the run and their defense played flawlessly, they filled the holes got to their spots and didn't bite, they were extremely patient as they knew it was coming. It was quite the defensive showing for our level.

[Chalupa Batman]

why did the weather have more of an impact on MSU, MSU was a run heavy team that also plays outdoors in the winter. Actually I think that the weather conditions should have favored the Bobcats or at worse, been a wash.

Anyway, I am hoping that MSU beats SDSU but SDSU is so loaded at so many positions that it is their game to lose. They are completely capable of laying an egg and have done so in the past but I get the feeling that they are over the hump after the Natty.

Because I see MSU as more of a finesse running team than a mauling, downhill running team. Almost like an option team, trying to use angles and misdirection to create mismatches. Especially affected Mellott more than anyone else on the field IMO. MSU won’t gash SDSU this time around, but with better field conditions will probably run for about 150 yards in this game, maybe up to 200.

[Gil Dobie]

Nope - with a blowout win over FBS P5 SEC South Carolina, Furman moves to #1 regardless of which scenario plays out in the MSU @ SDSU game.

I'm still not sold on the Gamecocks being that good.

[MSUBobcat]

This here.

SDSU will own both LOS.

49-10

We get beat by almost double last year's deficit AND worse than a mediocre DII team (granted SDSU didn't go for overkill)???

[POD Knows]

Weather wasn't the factor, it was SDSU's gameplan and execution. SDSU played the run and their defense played flawlessly, they filled the holes got to their spots and didn't bite, they were extremely patient as they knew it was coming. It was quite the defensive showing for our level.Winner, winner, chicken dinner. I didn't believe that weather was that much of factor but the fact that SDSU was bigger and stronger in both O and D lines and those gaps are magnified in bad weather, but the weather was incidental as you stated.

[SteelSD]

I think everyone expects MSU to have more success running the ball in this game. The 3 main questions to me are:

1. Can MSU get the ball in the endzone when they get close? Can they create push against the SDSU D-line? That wasn't encouraging in their first game and SDSU isn't Utah Tech.
2. What changes is MSU going to make on the defensive side of the ball? Better traction works both ways and MSU defense was little more than a speed bump last year. What are they going to do different against essentially the same offense?
3. Is MSU an improved road team from last year? There will actually be a packed house this time around, so how will MSU deal with that?

What a great game for week 2 of the season. I have my black shirt and rain coat ready just in case!

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

We get beat by almost double last year's deficit AND worse than a mediocre DII team (granted SDSU didn't go for overkill)???


yes