MVC and Big Sky are OVERRATED!

[FUGameBreaker]

Despite having like a billion teams in the playoffs every year xlolx

How many titles has the MVC won outside the fargo dome the past 19 years?

ZERO

How many titles has the Big Sky won the past 11 years?

ZERO

Wake up and smell the coffee beans, there is nothing special going on out west beyond the fargo city limits (where a school that should be FBS is too broke to actually make the move up)


https://media3.giphy.com/media/U3z0F1WGEc5BobpRDW/giphy.gif


And don't even get me started on those junk azz FBS teams you guys play most times, that's even if you play one at all xnodx

FACTS MANE xthumbsupx

[FUBeAR]

Did you run out of characters allowed in the thread title field to include “CAA” or do you have a separate thread planned for them?

[BisonFan02]

Despite having like a billion teams in the playoffs every year xlolx

How many titles has the MVC won outside the fargo dome the past 19 years?

ZERO

How many titles has the Big Sky won the past 11 years?

ZERO

Wake up and smell the coffee beans, there is nothing special going on out west beyond the fargo city limits (where a school that should be FBS is too broke to actually make the move up)


https://media3.giphy.com/media/U3z0F1WGEc5BobpRDW/giphy.gif


And don't even get me started on those junk azz FBS teams you guys play most times, that's even if you play one at all xnodx

FACTS MANE xthumbsupx

Besides the 3 year streak of App State and Georgia Southern's nattys.....what exactly has the SoCoN done?

But yeah......if you eliminate NDSU, you don't have very many seasons left for ANY conference to win the championship. Suck a dick. xlolx

[uofmman1122]

Despite having like a billion teams in the playoffs every year xlolx

How many titles has the MVC won outside the fargo dome the past 19 years?

ZERO

How many titles has the Big Sky won the past 11 years?

ZERO

Wake up and smell the coffee beans, there is nothing special going on out west beyond the fargo city limits (where a school that should be FBS is too broke to actually make the move up)


https://media3.giphy.com/media/U3z0F1WGEc5BobpRDW/giphy.gif


And don't even get me started on those junk azz FBS teams you guys play most times, that's even if you play one at all xnodx

FACTS MANE xthumbsupx
None of the current SoCon teams have been relevant since the 80's, my dude. lmao

[BisonFan02]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJtnvF8lJv8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3hbUzV8xCM

Is this you FurpleBreaker? :D

[CPMPride]

Feeding trolls means they keep coming back...

[JacksFan40]

When’s the last time a current SoCon team even made the semifinals?

Also the MVC isn’t a football conference, it’s the MVFC. If you’re going to troll, at least get the basic information right.

[Winterborn]

But yeah......if you eliminate NDSU, you don't have very many seasons left for ANY conference to win the championship. Suck a dick. xlolx

Exactly my thought.

Last time Furman was in the picture is back when the USSR existed, the IRA was active, Mike Tyson crashed his Bentley in NYC, Roger Rabbit debuted, and Pan Am flight 103 was blown up.

[semobison]

When’s the last time a current SoCon team even made the semifinals?

Also the MVC isn’t a football conference, it’s the MVFC. If you’re going to troll, at least get the basic information right.


The last SoCon team to make the semi’s was GSU in 2012. In that time frame 4 different Vally teams have made the final!

Gamebreaker is an idiot who will vanish when the SoCon is eliminated. Last year it was right after the 2nd round!

[Professor Chaos]

Exactly my thought.

Last time Furman was in the picture is back when the USSR existed, the IRA was active, Mike Tyson crashed his Bentley in NYC, Roger Rabbit debuted, and Pan Am flight 103 was blown up.
The ballad of Furman's glory days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g

[MTfan4life]

SoCon's wins in the FCS playoffs since Appy and GaSouthern left:

2022, Elon
2021, Kennesaw State
2018, Elon
2017, Elon, Furman
2016, Charleston Southern, Weber State, The Citadel
2015, Fordham, Coastal Carolina
2014, Indiana State
2013, South Carolina State

Probably many banners hung up for those wins.

[atthewbon]

FCS playoff record by Conference since 2016:

MVFC (41-22): .651
CAA (26-19): .578
MVFC no NDSU (22-20): .524
Big Sky (20-22): .476
SOCON (10-12): .455
CAA no JMU (11-14): .440

[deez_na]

Lol, the OP is dumber than a box of rocks.

[KPSUL]

Despite having like a billion teams in the playoffs every year xlolx

How many titles has the MVC won outside the fargo dome the past 19 years?

ZERO



Actually the MVFC has won 8 titles outside of Fargo since 2012, all the titles were won in Texas.

Does anyone else think that FUGamebreaker and FUBeAR is likely the same AGS member?

[JSUSoutherner]

Actually the MVFC has won 8 titles outside of Fargo since 2012, all the titles were won in Texas.

Does any else think that FUGamebreaker and FUBeAR is likely the same AGS member?
I don't think FUBeAR and Gamebreaker are the same. But if Gamebreaker and HootyHoo ended up being the same person that wouldn't shock me.

[Chalupa Batman]

SoCon's wins in the FCS playoffs since Appy and GaSouthern left:

2022, Elon
2021, Kennesaw State
2018, Elon
2017, Elon, Furman
2016, Charleston Southern, Weber State, The Citadel
2015, Fordham, Coastal Carolina
2014, Indiana State
2013, South Carolina State

Probably many banners hung up for those wins.

I'm pretty sure Mercer is going to be having a "Transitive Property National Champions" banner-raising next season.

[Professor Chaos]

I'm pretty sure Mercer is going to be having a "Transitive Property National Champions" banner-raising next season.
Mercer beat Gardner Webb 45-14
Gardner Webb beat E Kentucky 52-41
E Kentucky beat Bowling Green 59-57
Bowling Green beat Toledo 42-35
Toledo is better than Georgia because Toledo beat Kent 52-31 and Georgia only beat Kent 39-22

[Chalupa Batman]

Mercer beat Gardner Webb 45-14
Gardner Webb beat E Kentucky 52-41
E Kentucky beat Bowling Green 59-57
Bowling Green beat Toledo 42-35
Toledo is better than Georgia because Toledo beat Kent 52-31 and Georgia only beat Kent 39-22

I was only thinking it would be an FCS national champions banner but that is even better! Also think it should say "UNDISPUTED Transitive Property National Champions." xthumbsupx

[ysubigred]

FCS playoff record by Conference since 2016:

MVFC (41-22): .651
CAA (26-19): .578
MVFC no NDSU (22-20): .524
Big Sky (20-22): .476
SOCON (10-12): .455
CAA no JMU (11-14): .440Remove YSU and NDSU the MVFC would be bad..

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[dewey]

Actually the MVFC has won 8 titles outside of Fargo since 2012, all the titles were won in Texas.


Minor correction. NDSU has won 9 titles in Friscoxdrunkyx

Dewey

[Winterborn]

Lol, the OP is dumber than a box of rocks.

That is insulting to rocks. Rocks are at least useful as rip-rap, turning into gravel, or being used as rain caps on wooden fence posts.

[MR. CHICKEN]

That is insulting to rocks. Rocks are at least useful as rip-rap, turning into gravel, or being used as rain caps on wooden fence posts.

MAKE GOOD PETS....TOO!......BRAWK!

[ysubigred]

MAKE GOOD PETS....TOO!......BRAWK!Great for throwing at pesky chickens also [emoji56]

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[atthewbon]

Remove YSU and NDSU the MVFC would be bad..

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They would be 18-19 still better than the Big Sky, SOCON, and CAA without JMU lol. Youngstown has done more than its fair share to help the conference playoff winning percentage though

[Winterborn]

Great for throwing at pesky chickens also [emoji56]

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We used slingshots to keep the rooster honest.

Dad told us kids a story that growing up they had one mean sadistic rooster that would always peck and claw at them when trying to get eggs. One evening the rooster took after them, they threw the walking stick they carried to fend it off at it and nailed it right in the neck. The rooster fell over and they were panicking that they killed it and grandma would tan their hides. They gathered the eggs and came out to to him wobbling as he got up. He got up and was walking around but his head was slanted off to the side. The rooster left them alone after that but his head never straightened up again. Dad said the chicken soup that they made from it a few months later never tasted so good.

[UNHWildcat18]

I really wish CitDog was here for a good ole
“Furman Sucks”

[Terry2889]

That is insulting to rocks. Rocks are at least useful as rip-rap, turning into gravel, or being used as rain caps on wooden fence posts.
Rain caps on wooden fence posts?.... Do tell

[FUGameBreaker]

https://media.tenor.com/pzkAkHDALgMAAAAM/marty-wolf-hungry-like-the-wolf.gif

[Terry2889]

FCS playoff record by Conference since 2016:

MVFC (41-22): .651
CAA (26-19): .578
MVFC no NDSU (22-20): .524
Big Sky (20-22): .476
SOCON (10-12): .455
CAA no JMU (11-14): .440

Not that it's a big difference but I counted 27-16 for the CAA... Should we cancel out the games where they played interconference?

[clenz]

WKU won a title as a Valley team - get ****ed

Oh but you're doing the selective cutoff and team removal game

So yeah, outside of App, Marshall, or Georgia Southern when was the last SoCon title?

[atthewbon]

Not that it's a big difference but I counted 27-16 for the CAA... Should we cancel out the games where they played interconference?

Yea all of these numbers could be slightly off I just did it quick. I went back and looked at it and got a record for the CAA of 28-20. I believe I forgot to account for Richmond in 2016 who won 2 games in the playoffs which would account for my mistake. I also did not exclude games that were interconference but that would be interesting to look at. I might try and compile a more detailed record later today when I have some more time.

[Winterborn]

Rain caps on wooden fence posts?.... Do tell

When building our cattle fences we used railroad ties for the the corner and bracing posts, then a set of 5 t-posts, a 4 to 6 inch (depending on terrain) round post, and then another set of t-posts. Continued until we reach a corner or large enough bend that we put another set of railroad ties in. Our wood posts were all flat topped, so we balanced a large enough rock on top to shed the rain and keep it from soaking into the center of the posts as easy.

All our round posts had the bottom half placed in a 55 gallon drum with enough used oil to reach the lip of the barrel when filled with posts. Between the oil and placing the rocks on top we usually got another 2-3 years before the posts had to be replaced. Not sure if it was just the oil or the combination that gave us the extra time but that was the process we followed. Railroad ties we did the same and it gave us an extra year or 2, but it is harder to quantify it, as they were sealed with creosote/tar (how we received them from the railroad).

We also dug our holes by hand in the beginning (or were we could not get the 3-pt post hole digger to due to terrain) and one of the best ways to put on shoulder muscle is by using a hand post-hole digger. The other is by swinging a 15# double jack.

[Terry2889]

When building our cattle fences we used railroad ties for the the corner and bracing posts, then a set of 5 t-posts, a 4 to 6 inch (depending on terrain) round post, and then another set of t-posts. Continued until we reach a corner or large enough bend that we put another set of railroad ties in. Our wood posts were all flat topped, so we balanced a large enough rock on top to shed the rain and keep it from soaking into the center of the posts as easy.

All our round posts had the bottom half placed in a 55 gallon drum with enough used oil to reach the lip of the barrel when filled with posts. Between the oil and placing the rocks on top we usually got another 2-3 years before the posts had to be replaced. Not sure if it was just the oil or the combination that gave us the extra time but that was the process we followed. Railroad ties we did the same and it gave us an extra year or 2, but it is harder to quantify it, as they were sealed with creosote/tar (how we received them from the railroad).

We also dug our holes by hand in the beginning (or were we could not get the 3-pt post hole digger to due to terrain) and one of the best ways to put on shoulder muscle is by using a hand post-hole digger. The other is by swinging a 15# double jack.

Huh. I have a posthole digger but once I get down to the clay level it's virtually useless! I'll try the rocks though. Thanks for the tip. (We're talking a vegatable garden fence here in Jersey : )

[Winterborn]

Huh. I have a posthole digger but once I get down to the clay level it's virtually useless! I'll try the rocks though. Thanks for the tip. (We're talking a vegatable garden fence here in Jersey : )

Clay (and gravel) stinks. I have not so fond memories of getting down about 3 feet and then inching my way down the next foot or two. We also took a right angle grinder and put an edge on both of the cutting edges to help in the digging.

All my fence building took place in Western ND or Central Minnesota so results may vary in Jersey. :D

Any type of cap on top of the posts would work. It was a game of us kids how big of a rock we could balance on there.

[KPSUL]

Minor correction. NDSU has won 9 titles in Friscoxdrunkyx

Dewey

My apologies, but I have attended two of them - wins over JSU nd EWU.

[uni88]

WKU won a title as a Valley team - get ****ed

Oh but you're doing the selective cutoff and team removal game

So yeah, outside of App, Marshall, or Georgia Southern when was the last SoCon title?

Yep, 19 years is an odd choice for a timeframe. Methinks FUGameBreaker deceptively chose 19 years so he could leave WKU off.

That same timeframe leaves the SOCON with only App St with a 3-peat of championships but no other appearances by a SOCON team in the Natty so you don't even have to mention Georgia Southern or Marshall. Meanwhile, the MVFC has NDSU's 9 championships plus Natty appearances by UNI, Illinois State, Youngstown State and SDSU.

[atthewbon]

Conference
Year
Wins
Losses
WP%
Interconference games
WP% exlc. Interconference


MVFC
2016
7
4
63.6%
1
66.7%


MVFC
2017
8
4
66.7%
1
70.0%


MVFC
2018
7
2
77.8%
1
85.7%


MVFC
2019
8
3
72.7%
2
85.7%


MVFC
2020
6
5
54.5%
2
57.1%


MVFC
2021
8
5
61.5%
2
66.7%


Total

44
23
65.7%
9
71.4%


CAA
2016
8
3
72.7%
1
77.8%


CAA
2017
6
4
60.0%
1
62.5%


CAA
2018
3
6
33.3%
1
28.6%


CAA
2019
4
3
57.1%

57.1%


CAA
2020
4
2
66.7%

66.7%


CAA
2021
3
2
60.0%

60.0%


Total

28
20
58.3%
3
59.5%


Big Sky
2016
2
4
33.3%

33.3%


Big Sky
2017
2
3
40.0%
1
33.3%


Big Sky
2018
6
4
60.0%
1
62.5%


Big Sky
2019
5
4
55.6%
1
57.1%


Big Sky
2020
0
2
0.0%

0.0%


Big Sky
2021
5
5
50.0%
1
50.0%


Total

20
22
47.6%
4
47.1%


SOCON
2016
3
4
42.9%
1
40.0%


SOCON
2017
2
3
40.0%
1
33.3%


SOCON
2018
1
2
33.3%

33.3%


SOCON
2019
0
2
0.0%

0.0%


SOCON
2020
0
1
0.0%

0.0%


SOCON
2021
1
1
50.0%

50.0%


Total

7
13
35.0%
2
31.3%




These numbers may not be all 100% right but I spent more time reviewing them and I have added the conference winning percentage after removing inter-conference games. Feel free to let me know if I made any mistakes so I can correct it. I did not include UND in any conference when they were independent

[Professor Chaos]

Trivia time... the last time a current SOCON team won an FCS/1AA national championship:

Average price for a gallon of gas was $0.90
Average price for a dozen eggs was $0.79
"Look Away" by Chicago was the #1 song in America
People magazine named John F Kennedy Jr as the sexiest man alive
PGA golfer Rickie Fowler was born (3 days before the natty)

What year was it? (no cheating!)

[FUBeAR]

This is a lot of interesting historical data and analysis you statisticians are churning up…

…BUT….FUBeAR just checked the thread title and noticed this word…

are /är,ər/ verb


second person singular present and first, second, third person plural present of be.


Though FUBeAR may not always agree with the methods or the bombastic leanings of his fellow Paladin fan, like Coach E. Musk, he does support an open forum with a host of ideas, positions, and opinions swirling into a tasty stew.

Hence the purpose of this post - FUBeAR believes the OP carefully chose the word “are” when this thread was titled, so FUBeAR just thinks so many pixels are being wasted to respond as if this thread was titled, “Re: MVC and Big Sky were OVERRATED!” As Coach J Tull once discussed…are we Living in the Past?

Perhaps turning our focus to the PRESENT will improve this thread for all participants. FUBeAR will start…

Big South 1-0 / 1.000
SoCon 1-0 /1.000
Southland 1-0 / 1.000
CAA 3-1 / .750
Big Sky 2-1 / .667
MVFC 0-1 / .000
NEC 0-1 / .000
OVC 0-1 / .000
Patriot 0-1 / .000
Pioneer 0-1 / .000
WAC/ASUN 0-1 / .000

Big Sky + MVFC 2-2 / .500

So…yeah if we are looking at the PRESENT…as the thread title indicates…MVFC & Big Sky are, at best, lower middle of the pack. Considering how these conferences are regularly placed upon an imaginary pedestal in FCS, it is certainly fair to say that, so far, in the 2022 FCS Playoffs, IN THE PRESENT, they seem to be rather Overrated.

Seeds & Number of Teams participating for each Conference could be considered in the present for evaluating conferences, but since those things were determined by the BS Committee, FUBeAR will not sully his evaluation with their droppings.


#DefundTheCommittee

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Besides the 3 year streak of App State and Georgia Southern's nattys.....what exactly has the SoCoN done?

But yeah......if you eliminate NDSU, you don't have very many seasons left for ANY conference to win the championship. Suck a dick. xlolx

Only two of Georgia Southern's natty's because they were not in the hapless Southern Conf. for the first 4. xlolx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Feeding trolls means they keep coming back...

It's more like passing a punk around the cell block for ciggy's.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

They would be 18-19 still better than the Big Sky, SOCON, and CAA without JMU lol. Youngstown has done more than its fair share to help the conference playoff winning percentage though

I'm pretty sure only one on YSU gets credited to the conference here as well. 3 were while they were independent.

[gofurman]

None of the current SoCon teams have been relevant since the 80's, my dude. lmao

look I don’t like the OP going off so much. Let’s start there.


But your statement here is just damz WRONG. Again use FACTS DAMMIT. Furman played in the freakin national TITLE game in 2001 and lost 13-6 with their WALTER PAYTON WINNER at RB playing at maybe 40%. get facts. At least know what we are talking about. I realize facts ruin a good FEMALE debate (no logic or rational thinking, all emotion) but man the heck up.

how is a national finalist NOT EFFIN RELEVANT??????????? Whatever

heck, GSU was 39-0 at home in playoffs until we broke the seal that year by beating them in semifinals. Good lord your statement in bold may be the most ignorant statement I’ve EVER seen on AGS. and that’s saying A LOT. LOL

Also, Furman was in the semifinals in 2004 or 2005. 2005 I think. That’s serious relevance. That’s undeniable. Your comment about the 80s is GD wrong. Man up and admit it. That would be impressive. Let’s see if you come back and admit the mistake - a good man would. We shall see

[uofmman1122]

look I don’t like the OP going off so much. Let’s start there.


But your statement here is just damz WRONG. Again use FACTS DAMMIT. Furman played in the freakin national TITLE game in 2001 and lost 13-6 with their WALTER PAYTON WINNER at RB playing at maybe 40%. get facts. At least know what we are talking about. I realize facts ruin a good FEMALE debate (no logic or rational thinking, all emotion) but man the heck up.

how is a national finalist NOT EFFIN RELEVANT??????????? Whatever

heck, GSU was 39-0 at home in playoffs until we broke the seal that year by beating them in semifinals. Good lord your statement in bold may be the most ignorant statement I’ve EVER seen on AGS. and that’s saying A LOT. LOL

Also, Furman was in the semifinals in 2004 or 2005. 2005 I think. That’s serious relevance. That’s undeniable. Your comment about the 80s is GD wrong. Man up and admit it. That would be impressive. Let’s see if you come back and admit the mistake - a good man would. We shall see
Yes, my statement was definitely more ignorant than the OP, for sure man. It's clearly only the most ignorant statement to you because it made you mad. lol

Your own criteria would imply you're less relevant since the 80s than McNeese State, who was runner up 2 times.

[MSUBobcat]

Those FCS geniuses at Fan Duel (https://sportsbook.fanduel.com/navigation/ncaaf?tab=fcs) have the Griz as much more likely to win the FCS championship (+2500) than Samford (+4000) and Furman (+10000). Montana came in 6th in their own conference, as the dead horse has been beaten by Davis fans on this forum. Even oddsmakers are OVERRATING the Big Sky and MVFC!!! Lots of EASY money to be made betting the SoCon teams. xcoffeex

[JSUSoutherner]

look I don’t like the OP going off so much. Let’s start there.


But your statement here is just damz WRONG. Again use FACTS DAMMIT. Furman played in the freakin national TITLE game in 2001 and lost 13-6 with their WALTER PAYTON WINNER at RB playing at maybe 40%. get facts. At least know what we are talking about. I realize facts ruin a good FEMALE debate (no logic or rational thinking, all emotion) but man the heck up.

how is a national finalist NOT EFFIN RELEVANT??????????? Whatever

heck, GSU was 39-0 at home in playoffs until we broke the seal that year by beating them in semifinals. Good lord your statement in bold may be the most ignorant statement I’ve EVER seen on AGS. and that’s saying A LOT. LOL

Also, Furman was in the semifinals in 2004 or 2005. 2005 I think. That’s serious relevance. That’s undeniable. Your comment about the 80s is GD wrong. Man up and admit it. That would be impressive. Let’s see if you come back and admit the mistake - a good man would. We shall see
Ok then based on this post we can conclude that the last time Furman was relevant, I was in elementary school.

Not really a big boon to the case that the SoCon or any team therein is actually a contender.

Jacksonville State has more SoCon championship scalps than anyone in the nation the past 10 years as well as a Frisco appearance and our playoff reputation is basically a meme.

[Professor Chaos]

look I don’t like the OP going off so much. Let’s start there.


But your statement here is just damz WRONG. Again use FACTS DAMMIT. Furman played in the freakin national TITLE game in 2001 and lost 13-6 with their WALTER PAYTON WINNER at RB playing at maybe 40%. get facts. At least know what we are talking about. I realize facts ruin a good FEMALE debate (no logic or rational thinking, all emotion) but man the heck up.

how is a national finalist NOT EFFIN RELEVANT??????????? Whatever

heck, GSU was 39-0 at home in playoffs until we broke the seal that year by beating them in semifinals. Good lord your statement in bold may be the most ignorant statement I’ve EVER seen on AGS. and that’s saying A LOT. LOL

Also, Furman was in the semifinals in 2004 or 2005. 2005 I think. That’s serious relevance. That’s undeniable. Your comment about the 80s is GD wrong. Man up and admit it. That would be impressive. Let’s see if you come back and admit the mistake - a good man would. We shall see
I would expect plenty more hyperbolic statements with little basis in fact bashing Furman/the SOCON in threads like these started by your flamboyant fellow Furman fan... don't come down to the poop deck and expect your shoes to stay clean.

[The Yo Show]

This is a lot of interesting historical data and analysis you statisticians are churning up…

…BUT….FUBeAR just checked the thread title and noticed this word…

are /är,ər/ verb


second person singular present and first, second, third person plural present of be.


Though FUBeAR may not always agree with the methods or the bombastic leanings of his fellow Paladin fan, like Coach E. Musk, he does support an open forum with a host of ideas, positions, and opinions swirling into a tasty stew.

Hence the purpose of this post - FUBeAR believes the OP carefully chose the word “are” when this thread was titled, so FUBeAR just thinks so many pixels are being wasted to respond as if this thread was titled, “Re: MVC and Big Sky were OVERRATED!” As Coach J Tull once discussed…are we Living in the Past?

Perhaps turning our focus to the PRESENT will improve this thread for all participants. FUBeAR will start…

Big South 1-0 / 1.000
SoCon 1-0 /1.000
Southland 1-0 / 1.000
CAA 3-1 / .750
Big Sky 2-1 / .667
MVFC 0-1 / .000
NEC 0-1 / .000
OVC 0-1 / .000
Patriot 0-1 / .000
Pioneer 0-1 / .000
WAC/ASUN 0-1 / .000

Big Sky + MVFC 2-2 / .500

So…yeah if we are looking at the PRESENT…as the thread title indicates…MVFC & Big Sky are, at best, lower middle of the pack. Considering how these conferences are regularly placed upon an imaginary pedestal in FCS, it is certainly fair to say that, so far, in the 2022 FCS Playoffs, IN THE PRESENT, they seem to be rather Overrated.

Seeds & Number of Teams participating for each Conference could be considered in the present for evaluating conferences, but since those things were determined by the BS Committee, FUBeAR will not sully his evaluation with their droppings.


#DefundTheCommittee



Well, since you like to point out logic, the only MVFC team to play a game in the postseason was ND and played against another Big Sky team... so how are you comparing the overrated aspect of either conference right now? You are going off of the Idaho - SLU game? That is the only Big Sky / MVFC team that was a loss that wasn't too another team from either the Big Sky or MVFC. I think it is too early (after only the 1st round) to be stating factually that any conference is over or under rated yet.

[FUBeAR]

Well, since you like to point out logic, the only MVFC team to play a game in the postseason was ND and played against another Big Sky team... so how are you comparing the overrated aspect of either conference right now? You are going off of the Idaho - SLU game? That is the only Big Sky / MVFC team that was a loss that wasn't too another team from either the Big Sky or MVFC. I think it is too early (after only the 1st round) to be stating factually that any conference is over or under rated yet.
Cool…so, you posted to say you agree with this sentence in FUBeAR’s post…

Considering how these conferences are regularly placed upon an imaginary pedestal in FCS, it is certainly fair to say that, so far, in the 2022 FCS Playoffs, IN THE PRESENT, they seem to be rather Overrated.

[The Yo Show]

Cool…so, you posted to say you agree with this sentence in FUBeAR’s post…

Considering how these conferences are regularly placed upon an imaginary pedestal in FCS, it is certainly fair to say that, so far, in the 2022 FCS Playoffs, IN THE PRESENT, they seem to be rather Overrated.

I think you need to reread my comment, because I do NOT agree. I am stating there is not enough evidence for or against the argument that they are overrated. It is possible that the conjecture will hold but SO FAR in the 2022 FCS playoffs, there is no data to suggest this.

[JacksFan40]

Cool…so, you posted to say you agree with this sentence in FUBeAR’s post…

Considering how these conferences are regularly placed upon an imaginary pedestal in FCS, it is certainly fair to say that, so far, in the 2022 FCS Playoffs, IN THE PRESENT, they seem to be rather Overrated.
Gee I wonder why they’re placed upon an “imaginary pedestal” could it be because those are the two conferences with the most postseason success since 2010? The only other one that compares was the one man army that was JMU in the CAA. I assume you also think the SEC is overrated as well?

[FUBeAR]

I think you need to reread my comment, because I do NOT agree. I am stating there is not enough evidence for or against the argument that they are overrated. It is possible that the conjecture will hold but SO FAR in the 2022 FCS playoffs, there is no data to suggest this.No data? The PRESENT data was right there in FUBeAR’s post. You have to be a Data Denier to say there is “no data.”

FUBeAR will not provide a platform of engagement for Data Deniers!

[FUBeAR]

2010

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m__wmsIn99E

[deez_na]

Ok then based on this post we can conclude that the last time Furman was relevant, I was in elementary school.

Not really a big boon to the case that the SoCon or any team therein is actually a contender.

Jacksonville State has more SoCon championship scalps than anyone in the nation the past 10 years as well as a Frisco appearance and our playoff reputation is basically a meme.
Lez be honest, is Furman really relevant though?

[Chalupa Batman]

Lez be honest, is Furman really relevant though?

Yes they are.

[JacksFan40]

No data? The PRESENT data was right there in FUBeAR’s post. You have to be a Data Denier to say there is “no data.”

FUBeAR doesn’t engage with Data Deniers!
Well considering in the present the top teams from the MVFC/Big Sky haven’t played yet, I’d say it’s too early to tell.

[JSUSoutherner]

Lez be honest, is Furman really relevant though?
Well the standard everyone seemed to hold Jax State to was making it past the second round.

So if we base Furmans relevance on that little nugget they haven't been relevant since 2005.

Fortunately, for Furman (and unfortunately for the rest of us) they have the opportunity to prove their worth this weekend.

Win and get some credibility. Or go home and be cyber bullied into oblivion.

[mvfcfan]

Within the last 10 years Illinois State, Youngstown State, and South Dakota State have all made it to Frisco, despite ultimately losing the game. So including Murray State who is coming in to the MVFC next year a third of the league has made it to Frisco recently. That's not exactly a bad resume.

[FUBeAR]

Well the standard everyone seemed to hold Jax State to was making it past the second round.

So if we base Furmans relevance on that little nugget they haven't been relevant since 2005.

Fortunately, for Furman (and unfortunately for the rest of us) they have the opportunity to prove their worth this weekend.

Win and get some credibility. Or go home and be cyber bullied into oblivion.
Obviously, you’ll never fully recover from Furman Football touching you in certain private places…

FURMAN vs. JACKSONVILLE STATE (3-0)
W .....49-7 (Playoff game).... GREENVILLE
W ........37-35 ............ Jacksonville
W ........17-13 ......... GREENVILLE

…but is the victim/survivor therapy helping at all?

[Gil Dobie]

So the MVFC and BSC teams are underdogs this year, and Furman is the favorite to win it all. Cool! I like the underdogs.

[SCPALADIN]

Obviously, you’ll never fully recover from Furman Football touching you in certain private places…

FURMAN vs. JACKSONVILLE STATE (3-0)
W .....49-7 (Playoff game).... GREENVILLE
W ........37-35 ............ Jacksonville
W ........17-13 ......... GREENVILLE

…but is the victim/survivor therapy helping at all?

But JSU's band has roughly 24 sousaphones vs Furman's two.
So they've got that going for 'em.........which is nice. xdrunkyxxsmiley_wix

[JSUSoutherner]

Obviously, you’ll never fully recover from Furman Football touching you in certain private places…

FURMAN vs. JACKSONVILLE STATE (3-0)
W .....49-7 (Playoff game).... GREENVILLE
W ........37-35 ............ Jacksonville
W ........17-13 ......... GREENVILLE

…but is the victim/survivor therapy helping at all?
Holding up wins that are old enough to drive...

Definitely helping your case of being currently relevant.

[Winterborn]

Trivia time... the last time a current SOCON team won an FCS/1AA national championship:

Average price for a gallon of gas was $0.90
Average price for a dozen eggs was $0.79
"Look Away" by Chicago was the #1 song in America
People magazine named John F Kennedy Jr as the sexiest man alive
PGA golfer Rickie Fowler was born (3 days before the natty)

What year was it? (no cheating!)

1988 xthumbsupx

Only reason I know it was because of Rickie Fowler. Well actually due to his wife. :D

[FUBeAR]

Holding up wins that are old enough to drive...

Definitely helping your case of being currently relevant.Just concerned about you focusing on your own mental health & healing.

The only ‘case’ FUBeAR has made revolves around defining the verb “are” appropriately. You seem to be struggling with understanding that as well. Has your emotional distress from your trauma begun affecting your cognitive capacity?

[MSUBobcat]

I could end up being wrong, and I actually think the SoCon teams look pretty good, but something tells me this thread is going to age as well as those preseason threads proclaiming dominance that Chattown and Hooty would post.

[TribeNomad1]

But JSU's band has roughly 24 sousaphones vs Furman's two.
So they've got that going for 'em.........which is nice. xdrunkyxxsmiley_wix


So for some six degrees of separation, we had a standout DL (on the Pats now) named Bill Murray.

[FUGameBreaker]

At least when the SoCon dominated we had multiple teams winning titles
Heck same goes for the CAA

NDSU can't baby sit you forever western frauds......... xnodx


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[Catbooster]

This is a lot of interesting historical data and analysis you statisticians are churning up�

�BUT�.FUBeAR just checked the thread title and noticed this word�

are /�r,ər/ verb


second person singular present and first, second, third person plural present of be.


Though FUBeAR may not always agree with the methods or the bombastic leanings of his fellow Paladin fan, like Coach E. Musk, he does support an open forum with a host of ideas, positions, and opinions swirling into a tasty stew.

Hence the purpose of this post - FUBeAR believes the OP carefully chose the word �are� when this thread was titled, so FUBeAR just thinks so many pixels are being wasted to respond as if this thread was titled, �Re: MVC and Big Sky were OVERRATED!� As Coach J Tull once discussed�are we Living in the Past?

Perhaps turning our focus to the PRESENT will improve this thread for all participants. FUBeAR will start�

Big South 1-0 / 1.000
SoCon 1-0 /1.000
Southland 1-0 / 1.000
CAA 3-1 / .750
Big Sky 2-1 / .667
MVFC 0-1 / .000
NEC 0-1 / .000
OVC 0-1 / .000
Patriot 0-1 / .000
Pioneer 0-1 / .000
WAC/ASUN 0-1 / .000

Big Sky + MVFC 2-2 / .500

So�yeah if we are looking at the PRESENT�as the thread title indicates�MVFC & Big Sky are, at best, lower middle of the pack. Considering how these conferences are regularly placed upon an imaginary pedestal in FCS, it is certainly fair to say that, so far, in the 2022 FCS Playoffs, IN THE PRESENT, they seem to be rather Overrated.

Seeds & Number of Teams participating for each Conference could be considered in the present for evaluating conferences, but since those things were determined by the BS Committee, FUBeAR will not sully his evaluation with their droppings.


#DefundTheCommittee


What does any of this have to do with being over/underrated? Win/loss rate of a conference doesn't say anything how about over/underrated that conference is.

You are claiming that the MVFC is overrated because their tied for third team (UND) lost to the tied for 3rd Big Sky team (WSU)? The team who was apparently one of the last few in was beat by the team considered by the committee to be a toss-up for a seed and that means they were overrated? Seems like they were rated about right to me.

Tied for third in the Big Sky Idaho lost to #1 Southland SLU in a VERY close game. So your conclusion is that Idaho was overrated and SLU was underrated?

How about Big Sky 6th place Montana beating #1 OHV SEMO? Since they got the win, Montana was underrated and SEMO was overrated since they lost?

Weird logic.

[FUBeAR]

What does any of this have to do with being over/underrated? Win/loss rate of a conference doesn't say anything how about over/underrated that conference is.

You are claiming that the MVFC is overrated because their tied for third team (UND) lost to the tied for 3rd Big Sky team (WSU)? The team who was apparently one of the last few in was beat by the team considered by the committee to be a toss-up for a seed and that means they were overrated? Seems like they were rated about right to me.

Tied for third in the Big Sky Idaho lost to #1 Southland SLU in a VERY close game. So your conclusion is that Idaho was overrated and SLU was underrated?

How about Big Sky 6th place Montana beating #1 OHV SEMO? Since they got the win, Montana was underrated and SEMO was overrated since they lost?

Weird logic.
FUBeAR just follows the current data to see what that data tells us currently vis a vis the title of this thread. The data is talking to you; not FUBeAR. FUBeAR is merely a humble messenger.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

FUBeAR just follows the current data to see what that data tells us currently vis a vis the title of this thread. The data is talking to you; not FUBeAR. FUBeAR is merely a humble messenger.


Data tells me that the SoCon sucks since Appy and GS left the conference. xnodx

[FUBeAR]

Data tells me that the SoCon sucks since Appy and GS left the conference. xnodx
See posts #39 & #53

[Gil Dobie]

I would love to see Ursus SoGone logo on Sunday morning.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

See posts #39 & #53


Like I said, the softcon sucks!

[GoCatsGo84]

It this a real thread? Whatever east coast scrub posted this sit down and watch the big boys play late December.

[caribbeanhen]

It this a real thread? Whatever east coast scrub posted this sit down and watch the big boys play late December.

Decemberist

[NDSU1980]

But JSU's band has roughly 24 sousaphones vs Furman's two.
So they've got that going for 'em.........which is nice. xdrunkyxxsmiley_wix
So you're saying Furman's band won't require as many tickets to Frisco as did JSU's band back 2015. Makes things a lot easier then.

[Professor Chaos]

So you're saying Furman's band won't require as many tickets to Frisco as did JSU's band back 2015. Makes things a lot easier then.
Hopefully they're dressed more appropriately for the weather than JSU's band was... then they won't have to huddle in the bathrooms for warmth.

[Bisonoline]

Hopefully they're dressed more appropriately for the weather than JSU's band was... then they won't have to huddle in the bathrooms for warmth.

There was a lot of hot air and other gases being produced from the JSU side. You would have thought that would have been enough

[NDSU1980]

Hopefully they're dressed more appropriately for the weather than JSU's band was... then they won't have to huddle in the bathrooms for warmth.

I thought they did that because of JSU's first half performance.

[JSUSoutherner]

Hopefully they're dressed more appropriately for the weather than JSU's band was... then they won't have to huddle in the bathrooms for warmth.
Well IIRC that day was a lot colder than forecast. What sucked was our uniform standard is we only have our show shirts under the uniforms so if we take jackets off we still all look the same. So all I had was that and a pair of basketball shorts under my uniform. Some thermals would have been nice, but nobody in Alabama owns thermals.

And the bathrooms were about as interesting the field was. Lots of **** in both places.

[The Yo Show]

No data? The PRESENT data was right there in FUBeAR’s post. You have to be a Data Denier to say there is “no data.”

FUBeAR will not provide a platform of engagement for Data Deniers!

No the only present data you might have been able to point too didn't indicate the MVFC was overrated. I would argue the best argument would have been the CAA was slightly overrated.

[lucchesicourt]

Montana State is going to be tough for anyone to handle. They are the real deal. If you cannot stop the run it's over. If you have to stuff the box to stop their run game, they can pass too. A tough offence.

[FU_Paladin08]

Maybe this thread can be renamed to CAA is overrated?

[SteelSD]

MVC and Big Sky are OVERRATED! (https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?319554-MVC-and-Big-Sky-are-OVERRATED!/page9)
Ok, so tell me more about this point again...

[Utgrizfan]

Don't understand this lame attempt at smearing both Conferences, the data shows that both are arguably the top 2 Conferences, hell a 6th place Montana beat the OVC Champion for one, and when looking at Conference records this season including Playoffs:

BIG SKY:
-vs MVFC: 4-4
-vs WAC: 3-0
-vs Pioneer: 5-0
-vs Southland: 3-2
-vs OVC: 2-0
-vs CAA: 1-0
-vs ASUN: 0-1

Overall OOC Record vs FCS: 18-7

MVFC:
-vs Big Sky: 4-4
-vs ASUN: 2-0
-vs CAA: 1-0
-vs Southland: 0-1
-vs OVC: 2-2
-vs Pioneer: 4-0
-vs: Big South: 1-0
-vs WAC: 2-1
-vs Northeast: 1-0

Overall record vs FCS: 17-8

[Professor Chaos]

Bump

[GoCatsGo84]

Well… now that the east coast schools have bowed out… we can carry on with December football. Dakotas, great to see you again. Let’s have some fun.

[skinny_uncle]

A Southland team, a Big Sky team and 2 Valley teams. Sounds about normal.

[Puddin Tane]

A Southland team, a Big Sky team and 2 Valley teams. Sounds about normal.

i think the Southland gets a bad rap. Sure, theres some suckage, but we play pretty good ball.

When yall beat each other up in conference, its ok. When other conferences do it, they suck.

[FUGameBreaker]

BUMP???? xlolxxlolxxlolx


0 titles outside of Fargo in ages for MVC and Big Sky, the rest of you guys out west don't get any credit for what's going on in Fargo mane
Rest of the teams out west................

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Go win a title or STFU and fall in line with the rest of FCS xthumbsupx

[uofmman1122]

BUMP???? xlolxxlolxxlolx


0 titles outside of Fargo in ages for MVC and Big Sky, the rest of you guys out west don't get any credit for what's going on in Fargo mane
Rest of the teams out west................

Go win a title or STFU and fall in line with the rest of FCS xthumbsupx
Just take the L, dude. lmao

[The Kicker]

[QUOTE=FUGameBreaker;3102770]BUMP???? xlolxxlolxxlolx


0 titles outside of Fargo in ages for MVC and Big Sky, the rest of you guys out west don't get any credit for what's going on in Fargo mane
Rest of the teams out west................

Dude other than James Madison who else from the East has even been in the Championship game since NDSU started their run? Your conference doesn't stack up vs Big Sky or MVFC. Without using James Madison's coat tails the Eastern conferences have not done crap in a long time. Unfortunately the CAA didn't do it's part this season getting teams from the East close.

[FUBeAR]

the CAA didn't do it's part this season getting teams from the East close.
…and that’s exactly why FUBeAR brought this (below) with the 1st post after this ‘interesting’ thread was created…

Did you run out of characters allowed in the thread title field to include “CAA” or do you have a separate thread planned for them?


#DefundTheCommittee

[JacksFan40]

BUMP???? xlolxxlolxxlolx


0 titles outside of Fargo in ages for MVC and Big Sky, the rest of you guys out west don't get any credit for what's going on in Fargo mane
Rest of the teams out west................

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Go win a title or STFU and fall in line with the rest of FCS xthumbsupx
Good to see you didn’t disappear until next Fall after Furman lost. Unfortunately for the SoCon this just wasn’t the year, how many years is that in a row without a team making the semifinals?

[Professor Chaos]

Good to see you didn’t disappear until next Fall after Furman lost. Unfortunately for the SoCon this just wasn’t the year, how many years is that in a row without a team making the semifinals?

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[Gangtackle11]

[QUOTE=FUGameBreaker;3102770]BUMP???? xlolxxlolxxlolx


0 titles outside of Fargo in ages for MVC and Big Sky, the rest of you guys out west don't get any credit for what's going on in Fargo mane
Rest of the teams out west................

Dude other than James Madison who else from the East has even been in the Championship game since NDSU started their run? Your conference doesn't stack up vs Big Sky or MVFC. Without using James Madison's coat tails the Eastern conferences have not done crap in a long time. Unfortunately the CAA didn't do it's part this season getting teams from the East close.

I get the point, but the answer is Towson in 2013. xpeacex

[nodak651]

i think the Southland gets a bad rap. Sure, theres some suckage, but we play pretty good ball.

When yall beat each other up in conference, its ok. When other conferences do it, they suck.

I'd agree with that. CAA gets a bunch of pre season love, plays softest OOC schedule in the country, then gets to point at ranked wins and losses when the conf beats itself up during the year.

MVFC for example was "down" this year basically because the pre season rankings were wrong, as SIU was overrated and because UIW and SEMO were underrated. Whole country looked at those games as if the third best mvfc team lost to crap teams. UND almost didn't make the playoffs this year because there were no ranked wins possible outside of SDSU and NDSU. If UND beat a ranked team this year it was because "that team was actually bad and shouldn't have been ranked". If UND had SIU's pre season rankings, Youngstown would have made the playoffs. Too much weight gets put on ranked wins vs how good teams actually are. CAA had **** Massey rankings all year, but "ranked wins" got half their conf into the playoff field. Since half the conf was ranked pre season pretty much all conf losses were to ranked teams and those losses were justified that way.

I'd like to examine how many overall ranking places each conf lost once conference play started. For example, say a #10 team loses to a #20 team if the #10 team dropped to 18 and the #20 team rose to #17, that would be a net loss of 5 rankings for the conf.

[FUGameBreaker]

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[nodak651]

Count them up boys, ZERO titles outside Fargo in the last 11 years



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That must mean Furman is good. Great point.

[SteelSD]

I scrolled back and looked at conference representation in the semifinals over the last 10 years. Here are the numbers if you remove NDSU from the equation:

CAA- 11
Big Sky- 7
MVFC- 6
Southland- 5
OVC- 1

So it seems no matter how you spin it the CAA, Big Sky, and MVFC are the elite conferences with the Southland just behind.

Interestingly enough, the youth football team I coached had as many appearances in the Semi's as the SoCon combined. Maybe I should be coach of the year in that conference...

[nodak651]

I scrolled back and looked at conference representation in the semifinals over the last 10 years. Here are the numbers if you remove NDSU from the equation:

CAA- 11
Big Sky- 7
MVFC- 6
Southland- 5
OVC- 1

So it seems no matter how you spin it the CAA, Big Sky, and MVFC are the elite conferences with the Southland just behind.

Interestingly enough, the youth football team I coached had as many appearances in the Semi's as the SoCon combined. Maybe I should be coach of the year in that conference...

If we are excluding NDSU, it would be interesting to know the teams/conferences that lost to NDSU in the quarters.

[Preferred Walk-On]

I'd agree with that. CAA gets a bunch of pre season love, plays softest OOC schedule in the country, then gets to point at ranked wins and losses when the conf beats itself up during the year.

MVFC for example was "down" this year basically because the pre season rankings were wrong, as SIU was overrated and because UIW and SEMO were underrated. Whole country looked at those games as if the third best mvfc team lost to crap teams. UND almost didn't make the playoffs this year because there were no ranked wins possible outside of SDSU and NDSU. If UND beat a ranked team this year it was because "that team was actually bad and shouldn't have been ranked". If UND had SIU's pre season rankings, Youngstown would have made the playoffs. Too much weight gets put on ranked wins vs how good teams actually are. CAA had **** Massey rankings all year, but "ranked wins" got half their conf into the playoff field. Since half the conf was ranked pre season pretty much all conf losses were to ranked teams and those losses were justified that way.

I'd like to examine how many overall ranking places each conf lost once conference play started. For example, say a #10 team loses to a #20 team if the #10 team dropped to 18 and the #20 team rose to #17, that would be a net loss of 5 rankings for the conf.

1000 times this. However, I will note that the SoCon had 4 teams in the Top 25 (FCS Coaches or STATS) and only got 2 in. The CAA had 4-5 teams in the Top 25 (depending on the poll) and got all 5 in. So I do think the SoCon got jobbed just a bit. However, the narrative that NDSU or UND hadn't beaten anybody was a s*** narrative based on exactly what you described above. Oh, and as an aside, Massey had the s***ty MVFC as the top conference, even with having only one really good team (SDSU). But the original poster is correct...the SoCon does indeed have 0 titles in the last 11+ years, so they definitely are not underrated or overrated (and thus not in the thread title).

[caribbeanhen]

1000 times this. However, I will note that the SoCon had 4 teams in the Top 25 (FCS Coaches or STATS) and only got 2 in. The CAA had 4-5 teams in the Top 25 (depending on the poll) and got all 5 in. So I do think the SoCon got jobbed just a bit. However, the narrative that NDSU or UND hadn't beaten anybody was a s*** narrative based on exactly what you described above. Oh, and as an aside, Massey had the s***ty MVFC as the top conference, even with having only one really good team (SDSU). But the original poster is correct...the SoCon does indeed have 0 titles in the last 11+ years, so they definitely are not underrated or overrated (and thus not in the thread title).

I did mention before the playoffs that the Valley fans didn’t seem all that worked up about all of this, they had every right to be mad that only 3 got in

[POD Knows]

I did mention before the playoffs that the Valley fans didn’t seem all that worked up about all of this, they had every right to be mad that only 3 got inThree, I was mad that UND got in, we should have had only two.

[caribbeanhen]

Three, I was mad that UND got in, we should have had only two.

Well they have to come up with enough teams to fill up the brackets

[Gil Dobie]

1000 times this. However, I will note that the SoCon had 4 teams in the Top 25 (FCS Coaches or STATS) and only got 2 in. The CAA had 4-5 teams in the Top 25 (depending on the poll) and got all 5 in. So I do think the SoCon got jobbed just a bit. However, the narrative that NDSU or UND hadn't beaten anybody was a s*** narrative based on exactly what you described above. Oh, and as an aside, Massey had the s***ty MVFC as the top conference, even with having only one really good team (SDSU). But the original poster is correct...the SoCon does indeed have 0 titles in the last 11+ years, so they definitely are not underrated or overrated (and thus not in the thread title).

I think its been 15 years since the SoGon has won a tittle.

[SDFS]

I did mention before the playoffs that the Valley fans didn’t seem all that worked up about all of this, they had every right to be mad that only 3 got in

I have been very vocal about the poor performance by the MVFC rep. I think he should be replaced immediately, and I believe the conference commissioner should be very vocal about what has taken place with the 2022 committee.

[POD Knows]

Well they have to come up with enough teams to fill up the brackets
And that is the tragedy of the whole deal.

[FUGameBreaker]

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[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I have been very vocal about the poor performance by the MVFC rep. I think he should be replaced immediately, and I believe the conference commissioner should be very vocal about what has taken place with the 2022 committee.


You talking about NDSU's AD Matt Larsen?

If that is who you are referencing, then explain to me why he should be replaced? Your AD would have done better? Give me a break....xrolleyesx

[uni88]

Furman and the SoCon are
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Now, you're getting it. xcoffeex

[SDFS]

You talking about NDSU's AD Matt Larsen?

If that is who you are referencing, then explain to me why he should be replaced? Your AD would have done better? Give me a break....xrolleyesx

He did a great job for NDSU and SDSU. But not so much for the rest of the conference - that's the problem.

[caribbeanhen]

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Did you know I can be twice as irritating as you and never use dumb gifs and memes?

You don’t have what it takes Sonny

[Bisonoline]

He did a great job for NDSU and SDSU. But not so much for the rest of the conference - that's the problem.

The rest of the conference was weak.
FYI when a person on the committees own team comes up for discussion he leaves the room. Plus when the person is out numbered by other committee members
you are then out voted. Saying he should have done a better job is Bull****.

[Bisonoline]

Did you know I can be twice as irritating as you and never use dumb gifs and memes?

You don’t have what it takes Sonny

Hes a loser. Plain and simple.

[SDFS]

The rest of the conference was weak.
FYI when a person on the committees own team comes up for discussion he leaves the room. Plus when the person is out numbered by other committee members
you are then out voted. Saying he should have done a better job is Bull****.

Good Evening Matt how are you doing tonight?

Massey Rating for the 4 lowest at-large teams: 43) Fordham, 31) New Hampshire, 27) Delaware, 25) Elon. The MVFC had 8 teams in the top 28 - how many people were in the room for the CAA? The first round game of UNH and Fordham was the MVFC equivalent of USD vs ISU-Blue.

But, I am sure that you were very interested in the seeding of both SDSU and NDSU - making sure they were on opposite sides of the bracket.

[Bisonoline]

Good Evening Matt how are you doing tonight?

Massey Rating for the 4 lowest at-large teams: 43) Fordham, 31) New Hampshire, 27) Delaware, 25) Elon. The MVFC had 8 teams in the top 28 - how many people were in the room for the CAA? The first round game of UNH and Fordham was the MVFC equivalent of USD vs ISU-Blue.

But, I am sure that you were very interested in the seeding of both SDSU and NDSU - making sure they were on opposite sides of the bracket.

There hasnt been a FCS playoff selection that hasnt been accused of some sort of conspiracy Youre just another tool in a long line of bitchers.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

He did a great job for NDSU and SDSU. But not so much for the rest of the conference - that's the problem.


Did a great job for NDSU/SDSU? xlolx Both were already in and would get a high seed.

UND was on the bubble and got in. Got in over Youngstown bc of the head/head win. There were a lot of teams on the "bubble" and not everyone gets in. Considering the "bubble", the Valley got in what they deserved.

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There hasnt been a FCS playoff selection that hasnt been accused of some sort of conspiracy Youre just another tool in a long line of bitchers.



Exactly.....xnodx

[Winterborn]

Did you know I can be twice as irritating as you and never use dumb gifs and memes?

You don’t have what it takes Sonny

Don't sell yourself short. :D

[MSUBobcat]

Good Evening Matt how are you doing tonight?

Massey Rating for the 4 lowest at-large teams: 43) Fordham, 31) New Hampshire, 27) Delaware, 25) Elon. The MVFC had 8 teams in the top 28 - how many people were in the room for the CAA? The first round game of UNH and Fordham was the MVFC equivalent of USD vs ISU-Blue.

But, I am sure that you were very interested in the seeding of both SDSU and NDSU - making sure they were on opposite sides of the bracket.

As a fan of a team very directly impacted by the committee's placement, it was not the MVFC rep who jobbed us (only slightly), because as Bisonoline stated, the conference rep recuses himself from those deliberations (or at least that's supposed to be the case).

Also... don't use Massey to select at-larges. It's an interesting data point, but c'mon... Sac St is still #1, Weber is sitting at #6 with 3 losses, 3 loss Furman is in the top 10, Jackson with it's non-competitive schedule is #11, 4 loss Richmond is #12, 5-loss Montana still hovering at 13... A lot of teams benefit more from the conference they are in more than what they did on the field. When it comes down to the final at-larges, I prefer human deliberation by far over a computer model.

[Bisonator]

They're so overrated they have 3 out of 4 teams in the semis!xcoffeex

[SDFS]

Let's take a look at YSU:

1) YSU vs NDSU - YSU is down 21-3 at halftime. They make a switch at QB. A change that will last the rest of the season. They out score NDSU 11 to 6 in the second half. Final score 27-14 NDSU wins. But YSU goes on to finish the season on a 5-2 run and 7-4 overall. YSU was a different team after putting in the other QB who was a pocket passer. It made a very big difference in their season. YSU has played NDSU tougher than any other team in the playoffs to date. Yet, NDSU fans are trashing on the rest of the valley.

In addition to YSU, I would put UNI in before any of the CAA teams mentioned. UNI was playing very good football at the end of the season. Versus #1 SDSU - the Jacks had to kick a field goal as time expired to win the game 31-28. They had a better showing than any other team versus the Jacks. Ask Jacks/NDSU if they want to play UNI in the playoffs. They would say "NO" and bitch about regionalization and why do Valley have to play each other. YSU and UNI are absolutely capable of beating seeded teams in the playoffs this year.

Yet, the highest rated conference if FCS has 3 teams in the playoffs and everyone thinks the rep did a GREAT job. Hell no...

[SDFS]

Did a great job for NDSU/SDSU? xlolx Both were already in and would get a high seed.

I think you missed the point. I was not talking about getting a seed. I was talking about NDSU and SDSU being on opposite sides of the bracket. I don't anyone disagrees about NDSU and SDSU getting a seed.

[clenz]

Let's take a look at YSU:

1) YSU vs NDSU - YSU is down 21-3 at halftime. They make a switch at QB. A change that will last the rest of the season. They out score NDSU 11 to 6 in the second half. Final score 27-14 NDSU wins. But YSU goes on to finish the season on a 5-2 run and 7-4 overall. YSU was a different team after putting in the other QB who was a pocket passer. It made a very big difference in their season. YSU has played NDSU tougher than any other team in the playoffs to date. Yet, NDSU fans are trashing on the rest of the valley.

In addition to YSU, I would put UNI in before any of the CAA teams mentioned. UNI was playing very good football at the end of the season. Versus #1 SDSU - the Jacks had to kick a field goal as time expired to win the game 31-28. They had a better showing than any other team versus the Jacks. Ask Jacks/NDSU if they want to play UNI in the playoffs. They would say "NO" and bitch about regionalization and why do Valley have to play each other. YSU and UNI are absolutely capable of beating seeded teams in the playoffs this year.

Yet, the highest rated conference if FCS has 3 teams in the playoffs and everyone thinks the rep did a GREAT job. Hell no...UNI by the end of the season is absolutely wrecking a minimum of half of the field.

The new offense that didn't click the first 4 weeks (where 3 of the losses fall - @Air Force, @UND, Sac State) was full throttle and the defense had completely shifted what they were doing and were actually fairly decent towards the end of the season.

Sadly that wasn't the case when we opened the season. The difference is losing early seems to hurt you when it comes to playoffs more than losing late even though it shouldn't. Teams that lose early are removed from the rankings and never given the chance to move back in. Whereas if you lose late you're already ranked late in the year and removing you is hard to do, which makes it easier to justify playoff bids.

I'm never going to claim this years UNI team deserved a bid. I'm just going to say that there are very few teams, I'd say maybe 4 or 5, that were going to beat UNI by the end of the regular season - and I'd bet 3 of them are in the semis and the 4th one in the semis would have been one hell of an offensive explosion of a game similar to Sac State/UIW

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I think you missed the point. I was not talked about getting a seed. I was talking about NDSU and SDSU being on opposite sides of the bracket. I don't anyone disagrees about NDSU and SDSU getting a seed.


But according to you he didn't do a good job for the rest of the conference. The Valley probably deserved 3 teams in. A 4th maybe with a weak bubble but there were a lot of potential teams on the bubble.

Valley got what they deserved 3 teams.

[SDFS]

As a fan of a team very directly impacted by the committee's placement, it was not the MVFC rep who jobbed us (only slightly), because as Bisonoline stated, the conference rep recuses himself from those deliberations (or at least that's supposed to be the case).

Also... don't use Massey to select at-larges. It's an interesting data point, but c'mon... Sac St is still #1, Weber is sitting at #6 with 3 losses, 3 loss Furman is in the top 10, Jackson with it's non-competitive schedule is #11, 4 loss Richmond is #12, 5-loss Montana still hovering at 13... A lot of teams benefit more from the conference they are in more than what they did on the field. When it comes down to the final at-larges, I prefer human deliberation by far over a computer model.

I can understand some of the computer ranking conversations. But, how do you rationalize Fordham and 5 teams from the CAA (The conference overall rating was near that of the WAC - hence my nickname the WAC-Atlantic)? Fordham only played two reasonable teams during the regular season and lost both. They gave up 38 points to Georgetown (How do you do that???).

[JacksFan40]

If you want in the playoffs, just win your football games, I don’t get why that’s a difficult concept.

[nodak651]

Biggest argument against Matt Larson being on the committee is he as to recuse himself when decisions affect NDSU. Would probably make better sense to have a representative that can actually speak, since NDSU is consistently at or near the top of the conference every year, no? Such a move should theoretically help NDSU as well.

[MSUBobcat]

I can understand some of the computer ranking conversations. But, how do you rationalize Fordham and 5 teams from the CAA (The conference overall rating was near that of the WAC - hence my nickname the WAC-Atlantic)? Fordham only played two reasonable teams during the regular season and lost both. They gave up 38 points to Georgetown (How do you do that???).

I didn't say I necessarily agree with Fordham or a 5th team from the CAA (or even UM, TBH) getting in over a 4th MVFC team. I just don't get the consternation over the last 4 in/first 4 out. Teams on the bubble put themselves there by not taking care of what they could take care off. And typically the last team or 2, or 4, are cannon fodder by the second round anyway. To the athletes on the team, that extra playoff game or might mean a lot, especially to seniors that are playing their final game of their life. To the rest of us... meh.

I haven't seen you use the WAC-Atlantic nickname, but might I suggest WAC-lantic? Just rolls off the tongue better, IMO. xdontknowx

[SDFS]

If you want in the playoffs, just win your football games, I don’t get why that’s a difficult concept.

Quick question:

Which at-large team would the Jacks rather play: 1) Delaware (42-6) or UNI (31-28) NOTE: Reminder UNI has 6 D1 wins therefor they are eligible, and UNI beat SDSU at DJD in 2021 also). Which one? And then ask yourself did the committee put in the best teams? I understand that everyone is going to have a different opinion and I am fine with that. But, my answer to those questions. SDSU doesn't want anything to do with UNI. And based on that, I would say no - the best at-large teams were not in the playoffs. It's not a difficult concept.

[MSUBobcat]

Quick question:

Which at-large team would the Jacks rather play: 1) Delaware (42-6) or UNI (31-28) NOTE: Reminder UNI has 6 D1 wins therefor they are eligible, and UNI beat SDSU at DJD in 2021 also). Which one? And then ask yourself did the committee put in the best teams? I understand that everyone is going to have a different opinion and I am fine with that. But, my answer to those questions. SDSU doesn't want anything to do with UNI. And based on that, I would say no - the best at-large teams were not in the playoffs. It's not a difficult concept.

Depends... we are on a forum literally entitled ANY GIVEN SATURDAY. Is the real UNI team the one that lost by 3 at home to SDSU (good loss), or the one that eked by SIU the weekend prior by 1 point (bad win - this is the same SIU team that lost @ a turrible USD team the week before). Does UNI replicate that game more often than not if they played 10 times, or did they play one of their best games and still fell short?

Grading a team on one game, UNI should be in, but MSU shouldn't be seeded because they eked by a 3-8 NAU team in November.

[Chalupa Batman]

Quick question:

Which at-large team would the Jacks rather play: 1) Delaware (42-6) or UNI (31-28) NOTE: Reminder UNI has 6 D1 wins therefor they are eligible, and UNI beat SDSU at DJD in 2021 also). Which one? And then ask yourself did the committee put in the best teams? I understand that everyone is going to have a different opinion and I am fine with that. But, my answer to those questions. SDSU doesn't want anything to do with UNI. And based on that, I would say no - the best at-large teams were not in the playoffs. It's not a difficult concept.

I think most teams are pretty eager to get away from conference teams and see new opponents in the playoffs.

UC Davis and UNI are pretty similar in both resume and IMO overall strength. Between the two I suspect that MSU would rather play UNI and SDSU would rather play UCD.

[FUGameBreaker]

The only question that remains this season is who is winning the title, Incarnate Word or North Dakota Statexlmaox

[dbackjon]

They're so overrated they have 3 out of 4 teams in the semis!xcoffeex


And took a miracle for it not to be 4 of 4

[SDFS]

Depends... we are on a forum literally entitled ANY GIVEN SATURDAY. Is the real UNI team the one that lost by 3 at home to SDSU (good loss), or the one that eked by SIU the weekend prior by 1 point (bad win - this is the same SIU team that lost @ a turrible USD team the week before). Does UNI replicate that game more often than not if they played 10 times, or did they play one of their best games and still fell short?

Grading a team on one game, UNI should be in, but MSU shouldn't be seeded because they eked by a 3-8 NAU team in November.

You are talking about the SIU team that beat Big Ten Northwestern and lost it's last four games to USD (-3), UNI (-1), NDSU (-3) and YSU (-7). SIU is a very physical team. They had a strange season. I am not sure what they had going on. But, I think it was the Weber St vs MSU game were the long snapper had a bad game. Well, the SIU long snapper easily gave Incarnate Word 10 points in the first Q of that game with a snap for a safety and another one over the punters head setting IWU up for a TD. SIU was an interesting team to follow this year.

And FYI on USD - they fired the OC and switch to a drop down QB from Iowa St midseason. They improved after making those changes. NOTE: It sounds like Camp the previous starter might be going to Sac St.

[SDFS]

I think most teams are pretty eager to get away from conference teams and see new opponents in the playoffs.

UC Davis and UNI are pretty similar in both resume and IMO overall strength. Between the two I suspect that MSU would rather play UNI and SDSU would rather play UCD.

I understand what you are saying (in conference knowledge from playing one another) - FYI - MSU beat Davis 41-24 this year. Not sure they are too afraid of Davis. And, I think MSU has it rolling right now. I think they are going to beat SDSU. SDSU does not handle mobile QBs well. It messes with the SDSU pass rush and I didn't like the spy system that they had in place against Holy Cross. The spy was not athletic enough to make it work and on a number of occasions the QB juked the LB and he didn't even get a hand on the QB. SDSU has to make some changes to that system for this to be a game.

[clenz]

And FYI on USD - they fired the OC and switch to a drop down QB from Iowa St midseason. They improved after making those changes. NOTE: It sounds like Camp the previous starter might be going to Sac St.
They did?
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[SDFS]

They did?
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Well OK - I guess not that much.. they are still the Yotes and they have a tendency to "Yote-it" as they say in Vermillion. Why do you have to kick dirt on the Yotes all the time. They just want to be like UNI. Look at the facilities - same but smaller.

New QB went 2-3. Wins over SIU and MSU. Loses to YSU, UNI and UND. That is an improvement for a team that finished 2-6 in conference and 3-8 overall. And as I said previously, UNI was rolling at the end of the year.

[Chalupa Batman]

I understand what you are saying (in conference knowledge from playing one another) - FYI - MSU beat Davis 41-24 this year. Not sure they are too afraid of Davis. And, I think MSU has it rolling right now. I think they are going to beat SDSU. SDSU does not handle mobile QBs well. It messes with the SDSU pass rush and I didn't like the spy system that they had in place against Holy Cross. The spy was not athletic enough to make it work and on a number of occasions the QB juked the LB and he didn't even get a hand on the QB. SDSU has to make some changes to that system for this to be a game.

UC Davis played MSU at the end of a BRUTAL 5 week stretch in which they played @ P5 Cal, @ SDSU, San Diego, Weber State, and @ MSU. I have no doubt the Bobcats would win a rematch but I could see the Aggies putting up a better fight in a rematch. SDSU beat Davis by only 2 points but I still think they would rather play UC Davis again than UNI. And I don't think MSU & SDSU would be scared at all of either of those 2 teams, I'm just saying the general preference would be to get away from the familiar conference foe.

[caribbeanhen]

And took a miracle for it not to be 4 of 4

the actual miracle was Sac St finally winning one playoff game

[clenz]

the actual miracle was Sac St finally winning one playoff game
Not wrong.

3 Big Sky titles in 3 regular seasons
3 top 4 seeds
3 home losses
1 playoff win

That 1 win was against a 5th place CAA team that played the week before, beating a non-scholarship team, that then flew across the country to play the game....and it was a 1 score win that required a 4th quarter comeback.

[clenz]

Well OK - I guess not that much.. they are still the Yotes and they have a tendency to "Yote-it" as they say in Vermillion. Why do you have to kick dirt on the Yotes all the time. They just want to be like UNI. Look at the facilities - same but smaller.

New QB went 2-3. Wins over SIU and MSU. Loses to YSU, UNI and UND. That is an improvement for a team that finished 2-6 in conference and 3-8 overall. And as I said previously, UNI was rolling at the end of the year.
UNI went 6-2 in the final 8 games and 4-1 in the last 5. The last 5 is when everything really got figured out. The new offense was finally rolling and Farley took over calling the defense.

UNI went 2-4 in the first 6. Average score was 26-28
4-1 in the final 5. The average score was 41-24

Again, I won't bitch about not getting in. The early season absolutely killed UNI's chances. The horrible loss to Air Force and then dropping 2 conference games by 2 points each doomed the season. Those issues got sorted out. It's a shame the team couldn't finish one of those two games to put them in a position to make a run.

[Bisonator]

UNI went 6-2 in the final 8 games and 4-1 in the last 5. The last 5 is when everything really got figured out. The new offense was finally rolling and Farley took over calling the defense.

UNI went 2-4 in the first 6. Average score was 26-28
4-1 in the final 5. The average score was 41-24

Again, I won't bitch about not getting in. The early season absolutely killed UNI's chances. The horrible loss to Air Force and then dropping 2 conference games by 2 points each doomed the season. Those issues got sorted out. It's a shame the team couldn't finish one of those two games to put them in a position to make a run.
Meh we all know what UNI would have done if they had made it......;)

[clenz]

Meh we all know what UNI would have done if they had made it......;)
Crushed the first game, beaten SDSU in Brookings, then lost by about 10-14 in the quarters? Outperforming any other non-seed in the process?

That sounds about right.

[JacksFan40]

Crushed the first game, beaten SDSU in Brookings, then lost by about 10-14 in the quarters? Outperforming any other non-seed in the process?

That sounds about right.
The only time UNI has beaten SDSU in the playoffs was 2019, and that season was over when Gibbs got hurt. We rolled UNI in the 2017 playoffs.

[JacksFan40]

The only question that remains this season is who is winning the title, Incarnate Word or North Dakota Statexlmaox
Neither, NDSU already lost to SDSU, and UIW barely beat Furman. Jacks or Cats roll in Frisco.

[clenz]

The only time UNI has beaten SDSU in the playoffs was 2019, and that season was over when Gibbs got hurt. We rolled UNI in the 2017 playoffs.
and yet you have a sub .500 record vs UNI over the last 10-11 years.

Change SDSU to "over valued seed" and the point remains the same.

UNI went to Portland State when they were the 6 seed and butt ****ed them.
UNI went to Davis and lost by 6 even though everyone said UNI didn't belong in the playoffs and would get rolled.
The year UNI beat SDSU they went to JMU a week later and gave up 10 points in the first 58 minutes of that game - just had zero offense to go with it.

[caribbeanhen]

Not wrong.

3 Big Sky titles in 3 regular seasons
3 top 4 seeds
3 home losses
1 playoff win

That 1 win was against a 5th place CAA team that played the week before, beating a non-scholarship team, that then flew across the country to play the game....and it was a 1 score win that required a 4th quarter comeback.

and a big gift from the refs

Richmond was up 28-10 after the fumble recovery resulting in a TD

The Refs took that TD off the scoreboard and Sac St scored... 14 point swing and ball game

[JacksFan40]

and yet you have a sub .500 record vs UNI over the last 10-11 years.

Change SDSU to "over valued seed" and the point remains the same.

UNI went to Portland State when they were the 6 seed and butt ****ed them.
UNI went to Davis and lost by 6 even though everyone said UNI didn't belong in the playoffs and would get rolled.
The year UNI beat SDSU they went to JMU a week later and gave up 10 points in the first 58 minutes of that game - just had zero offense to go with it.
We won this year, and we’re in the semifinals while UNI is sitting at home. UNI is like how SDSU was in the final 15 or so years in D2. Usually a 6-5 or 7-4 record, capable of beating the inferior teams, capable of pulling an upset here and there, but never good enough to win anything meaningful.

[clenz]

We won this year, and we’re in the semifinals while UNI is sitting at home. UNI is like how SDSU was in the final 15 or so years in D2. Usually a 6-5 or 7-4 record, capable of beating the inferior teams, capable of pulling an upset here and there, but never good enough to win anything meaningful.
SDSU has yet to win anything meaningful.

SDSU's MO right now is to get high seeds with a ton of hype and then **** down their leg and/or get blown out in the playoffs.

Both end the season the same exact way.

[JacksFan40]

SDSU has yet to win anything meaningful.

SDSU's MO right now is to get high seeds with a ton of hype and then **** down their leg and/or get blown out in the playoffs.

Both end the season the same exact way.
Still an improvement over missing the playoffs.

The only time I can think of us being overhyped and getting blown out in the playoffs was 2017, usually we lose 2-3 winnable games in the regular season that drop us down the rankings.

[clenz]

Still an improvement over missing the playoffs.

The only time I can think of us being overhyped and getting blown out in the playoffs was 2017, usually we lose 2-3 winnable games in the regular season that drop us down the rankings.

2009 - blow a 48-21 lead with 5 minutes remaining in the third and lose 61-48 - ****ting down your leg in the biggest way possible
2012 - 25-point loss
2013 - 24-point loss
2014 - respectable 3-point loss...but still gave up winning TD with less than a minute left
2015 - respectable 7-point loss...but the game was never close. It was 24-0 at half. Game wasn't as close as the score
2016 - 26-point loss
2017 - 35 point loss
2018 - 23 point loss
2019 - 3 point loss to UNI and the game was never as close as that score
2020 - **** down leg in the national title game giving up the winning score with 10 seconds left
2021 - 14-point loss, didn't score after the half. 2nd half drives went punt, punt, int, TOD, TOD, fumble


I don't know how SDSU has managed to avoid being labeled as the biggest choke artists and underachievers of the last decade, but I guess running it up on a bad OOC and 1st round playoff games while being a seed at home for that game helps.

To add further - the one D2 playoff game SDSU played in they lost 51-7

[Bisonator]

Kind of fun watching 2 fans argue over which of their teams is the biggest chokers. Carry on!

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[JacksFan40]

2009 - blow a 48-21 lead with 5 minutes remaining in the third and lose 61-48 - ****ting down your leg in the biggest way possible
2012 - 25-point loss
2013 - 24-point loss
2014 - respectable 3-point loss...but still gave up winning TD with less than a minute left
2015 - respectable 7-point loss...but the game was never close. It was 24-0 at half. Game wasn't as close as the score
2016 - 26-point loss
2017 - 35 point loss
2018 - 23 point loss
2019 - 3 point loss to UNI and the game was never as close as that score
2020 - **** down leg in the national title game giving up the winning score with 10 seconds left
2021 - 14-point loss, didn't score after the half. 2nd half drives went punt, punt, int, TOD, TOD, fumble


I don't know how SDSU has managed to avoid being labeled as the biggest choke artists and underachievers of the last decade, but I guess running it up on a bad OOC and 1st round playoff games while being a seed at home for that game helps.

To add further - the one D2 playoff game SDSU played in they lost 51-7
What years were we overhyped besides 2017?

In 2009 we pissed away the chance at being seeded by losing to Cal Poly and getting stomped by SIU. Nobody picked us to beat Montana.

In 2012 we had our greatest season in school history and won our first playoff game. Nobody picked us to beat NDSU, I had just hoped it’d be a great game like the regular season.

We pissed away any hope of a seed in 2013 by losing to SIU and Missouri State, nobody thought we’d get very far in the playoffs.

In 2014 Sumner got hurt in the first game, with him we likely beat Youngstown and possibly get a seed. We still almost ended the NDSU dynasty in the playoffs, and I don’t think anybody saw that coming.

Our 2015 team wasn’t very good, this was obvious after the NDSU game. We couldn’t commit to a single QB for most of the season, and that’s what cost us against WIU, and cost us a seed. We were maybe overhyped early, but by the end most knew exactly who we were.

2016 is maybe the only other time we were overhyped. We still lost very winnable games to Cal Poly and Illinois State, which forced us to go through Fargo. We lost that game when we got called for an ineligible man downfield on a Wieneke TD.

I already stated 2017 was a case of being overhyped.

In 2018 we finished exactly where we should’ve. A very good team, but not good enough to beat NDSU.

2019 was a wash when Gibbs went down against NDSU. Subsequent losses to Illinois State and USD killed all hype.

2021 Spring was a great season where we came up 2 points short in the title game. We maybe win if Gronowski doesn’t go down, but who knows.

2021 Fall was both a disappointment and a surprise. We came in with high expectations, had a disappointing season that killed the hype, and proceeded to still make the semifinals where we lost a red hot Montana State.

2022 has yet to be seen.

[uni88]

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[ysubigred]

Yup Big Sky overrated..

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[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Yup Big Sky overrated..

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xnodx

[caribbeanhen]

Yup Big Sky overrated..

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The Vanilla Sky

It was there a time
it was their day they
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[deez_na]

Lol, oops

[bdales30]

How’s the Big Sky overrated, yes our supposed top team lost by 3 to uiw who should have beat NDSU the next week, either of those games could have went either way, and the Bobcats got beat convincingly by sdsu in the semi’s but those teams were both there, the Bobcats kicked the **** out of the team the weak before who beat the crap out of the team they played the weak before so that’s not over rated. The mvfc is still clearly the conference at the top.

[penguinpower]

1999 Georgia Southern, but App State won it in 2007 correct?

[The Yo Show]

How’s the Big Sky overrated, yes our supposed top team lost by 3 to uiw who should have beat NDSU the next week, either of those games could have went either way, and the Bobcats got beat convincingly by sdsu in the semi’s but those teams were both there, the Bobcats kicked the **** out of the team the weak before who beat the crap out of the team they played the weak before so that’s not over rated. The mvfc is still clearly the conference at the top.

Pretty sure big red was being sarcastic. In reality, neither of the two conferences listed were overrated... several others were though (CAA). This whole thread though has aged like spoiled milk lol. Big Sky got 1 team to semifinals, and out of the 3 teams from the MVFC that were in the 24 team playoff field, 2 made the semifinals and 2 have made the championship lol.

[neverobeyed]

1999 Georgia Southern, but App State won it in 2007 correct?

Yup, third of three straight NCs.

[Chalupa Batman]

Big Sky Twitter taking last night's loss in stride xlolx

https://twitter.com/BigSkyConf/status/1604277301234921472