So many 8-3 better teams

[Saint3333]

Reasons for so many potential 8-3 teams in power conferences.

1. D2 wins
2. Lack of intraconference schedules between the big 5 conferences
3. Unusual amount of wins over FBS programs

This is going to be an interesting last 3 weeks and someone deserving isn't going to get an invitation to the party.

[JayJ79]

Wouldn't that be INTERconference schedules (involving different conferences) instead of INTRAconference (occurring within the same conference)?

[AlphaSigMD]

Wouldn't that be INTERconference schedules (involving different conferences) instead of INTRAconference (occurring within the same conference)?

My vote is both. The CAA shakes up wierd, because some teams neglect to play a full quarter of the teams in their league. UMass really benefitted this year from scheduleing, William and Mary and Northeastern certainly did not.

[URMite]

My vote is both. The CAA shakes up wierd, because some teams neglect to play a full quarter of the teams in their league. UMass really benefitted this year from scheduleing, William and Mary and Northeastern certainly did not.

Actually that would be Northeastern & Rhode Island. Both play all 6 CAA teams ranked in the top 15. William & Mary and Villanova each avoid UNH but play each other. All the teams miss playing a quarter of the teams. It is just that some quarters are more equal than others.xwhistlex

[joecooll6]

Question- How many FCS over FBS wins were there this year?

[crunifan]

Question- How many FCS over FBS wins were there this year?

I know of 9...

UNI over Iowa State
SIU over Northern Illinois
McNeese State over Louisiana-Lafayette
Delaware over Navy
Appalachian State over Michigan
North Dakota State over Central Michigan
North Dakota State over Minnesota
New Hampshire over Marshall
Nicholls State over Rice

Am I missing any?

[JayJ79]

Question- How many FCS over FBS wins were there this year?

CSN has a listing of FBS v. FCS games (http://www.collegesportingnews.com/article.asp?articleid=87537)

So far, the FCS has 9 wins.


2007 FCS v. FBS, 78 Games

L 8/30 Weber State, 7 ; Boise State, 56
L 8/30 SE Missouri St, 3 ; Cincinnati, 59
L 8/30 Murray State, 10 ; Louisville, 73
L 8/30 SE Louisiana, 14 ; New Mexico St, 35
L 9/1 SC State, 3 ; Air Force, 34
L 9/1 Western Carolina, 6 ; Alabama, 52
L 9/1 Sacramento St, 3 ; Fresno State, 24
L 9/1 Northern Colorado, 6 ; Hawaii, 63
L 9/1 Indiana State, 7 ; Indiana, 55
L 9/1 Eastern Ky, 10 ; Kentucky, 50
L 9/1 Central Arkansas, 7 ; Louisiana Tech, 28
L 9/1 Villanova, 14 ; Maryland, 31
W 9/1 Appalachian St, 34 ; Michigan, 32
L 9/1 James Madison, 14 ; North Carolina, 37
L 9/1 Northeastern, 0 ; Northwestern, 27
L 9/1 Youngstown St, 6 ; Ohio State, 38
L 9/1 Gardner-Webb, 14 ; Ohio U, 36
W 9/1 Nicholls State, 16 ; Rice, 14
L 9/1 Elon, 13 ; So Florida, 28
L 9/1 Tenn-Martin, 13 ; Southern Miss, 35
L 9/1 Montana State, 7 ; Texas A&M, 38
L 9/1 Richmond, 17 ; Vanderbilt, 41
L 9/8 Northern Ariz, 24 ; Arizona, 45
L 9/8 Rhode Island, 7 ; Army, 14
L 9/8 Maine, 0 ; Connecticut, 38
L 9/8 Samford, 14 ; Georgia Tech, 69
L 9/8 Cal Poly, 13 ; Idaho, 20
L 9/8 Western Ill, 0 ; Illinois, 21
W 9/8 Northern Iowa, 24 ; Iowa State, 13
L 9/8 SE Louisiana, 0 ; Kansas, 62
W 9/8 Southern Ill, 34 ; Northern Ill, 31
L 9/8 Grambling St, 10 ; Pittsburgh, 34
L 9/8 Eastern Ill, 6 ; Purdue, 52
L 9/15 Texas State, 27 ; Baylor, 34
L 9/15 Furman, 10 ; Clemson, 38
L 9/15 Western Carolina, 16 ; Georgia, 45
L 9/15 Missouri State, 10 ; Kansas State, 61
L 9/15 Delaware State, 7 ; Kent State, 38
W 9/15 New Hampshire, 48 ; Marshall, 35
L 9/15 Jacksonville St, 14 ; Memphis, 35
L 9/15 Wofford, 17 ; NC State, 38
L 9/15 Nicholls State, 17 ; Nevada, 52
L 9/15 Idaho State, 10 ; Oregon State, 61
L 9/15 Norfolk State, 0 ; Rutgers, 59
L 9/15 SC State, 3 ; So Carolina, 38
L 9/15 Alcorn State, 0 ; U-A-B, 22
W 9/15 McNeese State, 38 ; UL Lafayette, 17
L 9/15 Eastern Ky, 6 ; Western Ky, 26
L 9/15 The Citadel, 31 ; Wisconsin, 45
W 9/22 North Dakota St, 44 ; Central Mich, 14
L 9/22 Howard, 15 ; Eastern Mich, 38
L 9/22 Char Southern, 10 ; Hawaii, 66
L 9/22 Gardner-Webb, 15 ; Miss State, 31
L 9/22 Illinois State, 17 ; Missouri, 38
L 9/22 Sacramento St, 0 ; New Mexico, 58
L 9/22 Portland State, 17 ; San Diego St, 52
L 9/22 Texas Southern, 12 ; Texas-El Paso, 52
L 9/22 SE Louisiana, 27 ; Tulane, 35
L 9/22 William & Mary, 3 ; Virginia Tech, 44
L 9/22 Cent Conn St, 14 ; Western Mich, 51
L 9/29 Massachusetts, 14 ; Boston College, 24
L 9/29 Ark-Pine Bluff, 17 ; New Mexico St, 20
L 9/29 Sam Houston St, 3 ; Oklahoma State, 39
L 9/29 UC Davis, 14 ; San Jose St, 34
L 9/29 Northwestern St, 75 ; Texas Tech, 7
L 10/6 Chattanooga, 15 ; Arkansas, 34
L 10/6 Liberty, 34 ; Toledo, 35
L 10/20 Eastern Wash, 7 ; BYU, 42
W 10/20 North Dakota St, 27 ; Minnesota, 21
W 10/27 Delaware, 59; Navy, 52
L 10/27 NC Central, 14; Western Ky, 50
11/3 Tenn Tech, ; Auburn,
11/3 Northwestern St, ; Ole Miss,
11/10 Va Military, ; Liberty,
11/10 Grambling St, ; UL-Monroe,
11/17 Ga Southern, ; Colorado State,
11/17 Morehead State, ; Western Ky,
11/24 Texas Southern, ; Houston,

[GrizDen]

I know of 9...

UNI over Iowa State
SIU over Northern Illinois
McNeese State over Louisiana-Lafayette
Delaware over Navy
Appalachian State over Michigan
North Dakota State over Central Michigan
North Dakota State over Minnesota
New Hampshire over Marshall
Nicholls State over Rice

Am I missing any?

This information warms my heart. Congrats again to all of the above FCS teams who have defeated FBS teams in 2007.

[joecooll6]

The thing I like most about that is 3 of those 9 are against BCS teams.

[dbackjon]

My vote is both. The CAA shakes up wierd, because some teams neglect to play a full quarter of the teams in their league. UMass really benefitted this year from scheduleing, William and Mary and Northeastern certainly did not.

The A-10/CAA gets that oft overlooked Benefit EVERY year. The way it almost always shakes out, the top teams almost never play all of each other. It is something that is wrong with the system, IMHO. How can you be considered a conference champion if you haven't played everyone in your conference?? In the CAA's case, you don't play a QUARTER of the teams.

IMHO, to get bids, you should be required to play everyone in your conference.

Heck, if NAU could duck the Montana schools every year, we'd be in the playoffs every YEAR.

[JmuSkinsfan]

The A-10/CAA gets that oft overlooked Benefit EVERY year. The way it almost always shakes out, the top teams almost never play all of each other. It is something that is wrong with the system, IMHO. How can you be considered a conference champion if you haven't played everyone in your conference?? In the CAA's case, you don't play a QUARTER of the teams.

IMHO, to get bids, you should be required to play everyone in your conference.

Heck, if NAU could duck the Montana schools every year, we'd be in the playoffs every YEAR.


The CAA is a 12-team conference? There isn't a legitimate way for these teams to all play each other. All the teams in the South play one another, while all the teams in the North play one another. Then each team plays 3 teams from the opposite division. I can't think of a better way to do this? Oftentimes in college athletics, and especially at the FCS level, there is so much turnover from year to year that it would be unfair to somehow work the schedules so that the top teams from each division play each other. I think they're doing the best they possibly can. It's hard to compare our league to others, as most FCS leagues only have about 6-8 teams..so its much easier...

CAA North:

UMass
UNH
Hofstra
URI
Northeastern
Maine

CAA South:

James Madison
Delaware
Villanova
Towson
Richmond
William and Mary

[GrizDen]

The A-10/CAA gets that oft overlooked Benefit EVERY year. The way it almost always shakes out, the top teams almost never play all of each other. It is something that is wrong with the system, IMHO. How can you be considered a conference champion if you haven't played everyone in your conference?? In the CAA's case, you don't play a QUARTER of the teams.

IMHO, to get bids, you should be required to play everyone in your conference.

Heck, if NAU could duck the Montana schools every year, we'd be in the playoffs every YEAR.


Nice....NAU has definitely got some athletes and I am surprised they aren't in the top 4 of the Big Sky on a more consistent basis.

I don't want to speak ill of a former Griz D coordinator who was the mastermind behind some punishing Defensive Units while at Montana...what I will say is that Coach Souers needs to get a W vs. the Griz. An 0-10 record vs. Montana and an overall record of under .500 after 10 years is PATTERN. If NAU wants to continue being a .500 team, then keep Coach Souers. If NAU has a goal of improving on that winning percentage, a change at the Head Coach position would at least give the University an opportunity to do that.xtwocentsx

[URMite]

The A-10/CAA gets that oft overlooked Benefit EVERY year. The way it almost always shakes out, the top teams almost never play all of each other. It is something that is wrong with the system, IMHO. How can you be considered a conference champion if you haven't played everyone in your conference?? In the CAA's case, you don't play a QUARTER of the teams.

IMHO, to get bids, you should be required to play everyone in your conference.

Heck, if NAU could duck the Montana schools every year, we'd be in the playoffs every YEAR.

It is a benefit to individual teams but how much benefit is to the conference as a whole? Can anyone say that CAA teams have too low a SOS? When was the last time the CAA AQ would not have may the field as an at-large?

I'm not saying it isn't odd, but just not sure how much it affects teams outside the CAA.

[GrizDen]

The CAA is a 12-team conference? There isn't a legitimate way for these teams to all play each other. All the teams in the South play one another, while all the teams in the North play one another. Then each team plays 3 teams from the opposite division. I can't think of a better way to do this? Oftentimes in college athletics, and especially at the FCS level, there is so much turnover from year to year that it would be unfair to somehow work the schedules so that the top teams from each division play each other. I think they're doing the best they possibly can. It's hard to compare our league to others, as most FCS leagues only have about 6-8 teams..so its much easier...

CAA North:

UMass
UNH
Hofstra
URI
Northeastern
Maine

CAA South:

James Madison
Delaware
Villanova
Towson
Richmond
William and Mary

Here's my idea on how to improve...kick out Northeastern in the North and Towson in the South. That brings the league to 10 teams so everybody plays everybody each year. The good news is that it would cement the conference as the top FCS conference. The bad news is that it would likely cause 1-3 teams to miss out on the playoffs due to a few extra losses vs the conference foes instead of W's vs. Northeastern and Towson.xlolx

[th0m]

Here's my idea on how to improve...kick out Northeastern in the North and Towson in the South. That brings the league to 10 teams so everybody plays everybody each year. The good news is that it would cement the conference as the top FCS conference. The bad news is that it would likely cause 1-3 teams to miss out on the playoffs due to a few extra losses vs the conference foes instead of W's vs. Northeastern and Towson.xlolx

Towson just joined (and is an all-sports member, unlike some of the other teams) so they are here to stay. Northeastern is also an all-sports member, so again, unlikely they'll be kicked out. Now, in NU's case, they may leave themselves or drop FB altogether, but that's not a relevant discussion to this thread.


The A-10/CAA gets that oft overlooked Benefit EVERY year. The way it almost always shakes out, the top teams almost never play all of each other. It is something that is wrong with the system, IMHO. How can you be considered a conference champion if you haven't played everyone in your conference?? In the CAA's case, you don't play a QUARTER of the teams.

IMHO, to get bids, you should be required to play everyone in your conference.

Heck, if NAU could duck the Montana schools every year, we'd be in the playoffs every YEAR.

Cry me a river. Basically what you're saying is that Montana is the only quality team (outside of your almighty Lumberjacks of course), and therefore the CAA must have only two good teams, one in the North and one in the South.

To come back to you guys making the playoffs every year, let's see how your Big Sky record would look if you would not have played Montana, shall we:

2006: 6-5, 6-4 not counting Montana, 5-3 in conference, 5-2 not counting Montana
2005: 3-8, 3-7 not counting Montana, 1-6 in conference, 1-5 not counting Montana
2004: 4-7, 4-6 not counting Montana, 3-4 in conference, 3-3 not counting Montana
2003: 9-4, 9-3 not counting Montana, 5-2 in conference, 5-1 not counting Montana (made playoffs as Co-champs)

I cant be arsed to type out the rest, but in 2002 its 6-5 w/ a loss to Montana (damn, when DID you guys ever beat Montana???), 2001 its 8-4 with a loss to Montana and a playoff bid, 2000 is 3-8 with a loss to Montana, 1999 4-8 with a loss to Montana, 1998 6-5 with a loss to Montana, 1997 6-5 with a win to Montana, wow, backup, a WIN against Montana? Seems to me, the years you got a playoff bid, you didn't have to beat Montana, and the other years you'd still not be playoff material if you could substitute Montana for a win elsewhere anyway.

[ChickenMan]

Heck, if NAU could duck the Montana schools every year, we'd be in the playoffs every YEAR.

and if NAU played a CAA schedule.. they'd be in the playoffs about once every ten years... :p

[FCS Go!]

I think dback was implying that losses to both Montana and Montana St would be replaced with wins against lesser quality teams like West Chester or like doormats.

[th0m]

I think dback was implying that losses to both Montana and Montana St would be replaced with wins against lesser quality teams like West Chester or like doormats.

I misread his comment and thought he was only implying Montana, not both Montana schools.

I guess if you put it that way, then yes NAU would've had a much better chance getting in the playoffs, but they'd also be a one team conference and would still have to compete with EWU and PSU xlolx

[OhioHen]

CSN has a listing of FBS v. FCS games (http://www.collegesportingnews.com/article.asp?articleid=87537)




2007 FCS v. FBS, 78 Games

11/10 Va Military, ; Liberty,


Which of these teams is FBS? xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

[lizrdgizrd]

The A-10/CAA gets that oft overlooked Benefit EVERY year. The way it almost always shakes out, the top teams almost never play all of each other. It is something that is wrong with the system, IMHO. How can you be considered a conference champion if you haven't played everyone in your conference?? In the CAA's case, you don't play a QUARTER of the teams.

IMHO, to get bids, you should be required to play everyone in your conference.

Heck, if NAU could duck the Montana schools every year, we'd be in the playoffs every YEAR.
Maybe you should combine with the Great West and split into 2 divisions. xlolx

[ButlerGSU]

I can't believe App State is still ranked ahead of Wofford and GSU, having lost to both of them.

[SeattleGriz]

Maybe you should combine with the Great West and split into 2 divisions. xlolx


I actually like the sound of that.

[aust42]

The CAA will be shaken up once Old Dominion and Georgia State join in a few years. There will probably be an exodus of the non all sports teams.

[blueballs]

I can't believe App State is still ranked ahead of Wofford and GSU, having lost to both of them.

App beat Michigan and GSU is still disrespected because of what Vanrichardcranium did to the program last year. Wofford never gets any respect except from those of us who have to play them every year.

[appfan2008]

I can't believe App State is still ranked ahead of Wofford and GSU, having lost to both of them.

I guess people still find that michigan win to be pretty impressive

[Ronbo]

Eastern Washington will go 8-3 and get an at large. No way the committee gives the Big Sky one bid with an 8-3 team in second. Heck last year MSU got an at large at 7-4 and bopped Furman in the first round.

[GreatAppSt]

I can't believe App State is still ranked ahead of Wofford and GSU, having lost to both of them.

Yes we did lose to lower ranked GSU and Woof, but we did beat league leading Elon, and you?

[lizrdgizrd]

I guess people still find that michigan win to be pretty impressive
Must have something to do with their #12 BCS standing. xcoolx

[URMite]

Must have something to do with their #12 BCS standing. xcoolx

Michigan or ASU? xlolx

[SuperJon]

Even if Liberty wins out and finishes 8-3, you don't have to worry about us. We won't be eligible.

[SuperJon]

Ok, just found out we'd be eligible, but still there'd be no chance it'd happen.

[AZGrizFan]

Maybe you should combine with the Great West and split into 2 divisions. xlolx

Dude, I would LOVE THAT!!! xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx

To me, THAT would make a legitimate power conference. xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx

[wapiti]

Maybe you should combine with the Great West and split into 2 divisions. xlolx


I tried to suggest that to the Big Sky commishiners thru the Big Sky web site when they were looking to add another team (UNC), but was ignored.

I also think it would be a fantastic idea and it would make the Big Sky eligibible to host the national championship again.
and with NDSU it would make the Big Sky a pwerhouse confrence again.

But NDSU is moving to the gateway now. (correct me if I'm wrong)

[URMite]

Ok, just found out we'd be eligible, but still there'd be no chance it'd happen.

Are you sure? Can you get to 7 D-I wins?

[lizrdgizrd]

Dude, I would LOVE THAT!!! xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx

To me, THAT would make a legitimate power conference. xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx
We might even stop picking on the BSC for being a one team conference.








Nah. xlolx

[lizrdgizrd]

I also think it would be a fantastic idea and it would make the Big Sky eligibible to host the national championship again.
What? xconfusedx

[wapiti]

What? xconfusedx

The NC had been played in Boise, I think, when they were part of the Big Sky.
I think, at the moment the big Sky does not qualify to host the NC, because confrence hosting it must have at least 12 teams.
(Corrent me if I'm worong)

[lizrdgizrd]

The NC had been played in Boise, I think, when they were part of the Big Sky.
I think, at the moment the big Sky does not qualify to host the NC, because confrence hosting it must have at least 12 teams.
(Corrent me if I'm worong)
I believe the NC is simply hosted by a city that meets the needs of the NCAA and is willing to do so. There has been talk of cities other than Chattanooga hosting the NC on this board, but so far only Chatty has bid on it AFAIK. xpeacex

And the SoCon only has 8 football playing members anyway.

[griz37]

The NC had been played in Boise, I think, when they were part of the Big Sky.
I think, at the moment the big Sky does not qualify to host the NC, because confrence hosting it must have at least 12 teams.
(Corrent me if I'm worong)

Thats not true, It is done strictly by bid & hosting facilities (hotels, restaurants, convention centers)

[JayJ79]

I believe the NC is simply hosted by a city that meets the needs of the NCAA and is willing to do so. There has been talk of cities other than Chattanooga hosting the NC on this board, but so far only Chatty has bid on it AFAIK. xpeacex

And the SoCon only has 8 football playing members anyway.

Northern Iowa's AD Rick Hartzell had mentioned something about bidding to host the National Championship a few years ago. But I don't know if that was an official bid, or just talk.

I think the NCAA is fairly happy with what Chattanooga has done as the host, at least since they put in the new turf (if they can keep Appy State fans from vandalizing it). So I'm thinking any other prospective host would have to put in quite a bid to get them to consider moving it.

[SuperJon]

Are you sure? Can you get to 7 D-I wins?

No, but according to this (http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/football/2007/2007_d1_football_handbook.pdf ) the 7 wins thing is just a barometer, and not an actual rule:


"The won-lost record of a team will be scrutinized to determine a team’s strength of schedule; however, less than seven Division I wins may place a team in jeopardy of not being selected;"