rankings thru October 27

[Boogs]

Down to 9 teams that are still undefeated against FCS competition. FBS has 5. That tells me games against Div. II, III and NAIA schools should be disallowed.

Dayton is the highest ranked mid-major (Don Hansen's definition of mid-major). xcoffeex

Bradley-Terry Football Rankings

NCAA Div. I Football Championship Subdivision

Thru 10/27/2007

Rank | Team | Div. I Football Championship Subdivision Record | Overall Record | Round-Robin Winning Percentage | Bradley-Terry Points
1. Massachusetts (7-0) (7-1) 0.945 100.000
2. Northern Iowa (6-0) (8-0) 0.936 83.982
3. Grambling State, LA (7-0) (7-1) 0.917 60.491
4. Yale, CT (7-0) (7-0) 0.900 47.471
5. Delaware State (7-0) (7-1) 0.872 33.840
6. North Dakota State (6-0) (8-0) 0.865 31.197
7. Eastern Kentucky (7-0) (7-2) 0.862 30.222
8. Montana (7-0) (8-0) 0.861 29.818
9. James Madison, VA (6-1) (6-2) 0.849 26.407
10. Wofford, SC (6-1) (7-2) 0.845 25.297
11. Elon, NC (5-1) (6-2) 0.843 24.801
12. Richmond, VA (6-1) (6-2) 0.827 21.285
13. Alabama A&M (6-1) (7-1) 0.817 19.439
14. Villanova, PA (5-2) (5-3) 0.813 18.868
15. McNeese State, LA (6-0) (8-0) 0.807 17.823
16. New Hampshire (5-2) (6-2) 0.805 17.496
17. Southern Illinois (5-1) (7-1) 0.795 16.148
18. Holy Cross, MA (6-2) (6-2) 0.790 15.552
19. Appalachian State, NC (4-2) (6-2) 0.775 13.716
20. Delaware (5-1) (7-1) 0.772 13.407
21. Hofstra, NY (6-2) (6-2) 0.763 12.492
22. Western Illinois (5-2) (6-3) 0.759 12.158
23. Dayton, OH (mid-major) (6-1) (8-1) 0.752 11.563
24. Georgia Southern (5-2) (6-2) 0.742 10.721
25. Southern, LA (6-2) (6-2) 0.711 8.627
26. Norfolk State, VA (5-1) (6-2) 0.695 7.737
27. Fordham, NY (7-2) (7-2) 0.688 7.393
28. William & Mary, VA (4-3) (4-4) 0.681 7.053
29. South Carolina State (4-2) (4-4) 0.681 7.040
30. Jackson State, MS (5-2) (5-3) 0.678 6.880
31. The Citadel, SC (4-2) (5-3) 0.675 6.787
32. San Diego, CA (mid-major) (6-1) (7-1) 0.675 6.761
33. Harvard, MA (5-2) (5-2) 0.665 6.357
34. Colgate, NY (5-3) (5-3) 0.653 5.890
35. Youngstown State, OH (4-3) (5-4) 0.651 5.817
36. Albany, NY (mid-major) (5-3) (5-3) 0.643 5.534
37. Prairie View A&M, TX (5-2) (5-2) 0.633 5.195
38. Gardner Webb, NC (4-2) (4-4) 0.629 5.058
39. Iona, NY (mid-major) (4-1) (6-2) 0.628 5.021
40. Jacksonville State, AL (5-2) (5-3) 0.619 4.768
41. Lehigh, PA (4-4) (4-4) 0.609 4.478
42. Missouri State (4-3) (5-4) 0.601 4.276
43. Towson, MD (3-5) (3-5) 0.599 4.212
44. Eastern Illinois (6-2) (6-3) 0.595 4.124
45. South Dakota State (4-4) (4-4) 0.590 3.985
46. Eastern Washington (4-2) (5-3) 0.567 3.476
47. Central Arkansas (5-2) (5-3) 0.567 3.476
48. Furman, SC (3-4) (3-5) 0.565 3.438
49. Cornell, NY (4-3) (4-3) 0.565 3.436
50. Illinois State (4-4) (4-5) 0.563 3.408
51. Liberty, VA (3-2) (5-3) 0.555 3.252
52. Drake, IA (mid-major) (4-3) (6-3) 0.549 3.126
53. Hampton, VA (4-4) (4-4) 0.542 3.012
54. Cal Poly, CA (4-2) (5-3) 0.539 2.954
55. Davidson, NC (mid-major) (3-2) (5-3) 0.539 2.949
56. Winston-Salem State, NC (5-3) (5-3) 0.536 2.909
57. Morehead State, KY (mid-major) (5-2) (6-2) 0.532 2.840
58. Alabama State (4-4) (4-4) 0.520 2.648
59. Tennessee-Chattanooga (2-4) (2-6) 0.508 2.469
60. Northern Arizona (4-3) (5-4) 0.508 2.469
61. Tennessee State (3-5) (3-5) 0.506 2.441
62. Stony Brook, NY (4-4) (5-4) 0.505 2.428
63. Texas State (3-3) (3-5) 0.497 2.315
64. Morgan State, MD (5-4) (5-4) 0.496 2.303
65. Howard, DC (3-3) (4-4) 0.479 2.082
66. Montana State (4-2) (5-3) 0.467 1.941
67. Austin Peay, TN (4-3) (5-3) 0.465 1.919
68. Nicholls State, LA (2-2) (5-3) 0.457 1.838
69. Sam Houston State, TX (2-3) (4-4) 0.446 1.726
70. Brown, RI (3-4) (3-4) 0.445 1.714
71. Princeton, NJ (3-4) (3-4) 0.436 1.626
72. Rhode Island (1-6) (1-7) 0.434 1.606
73. Central Connecticut State (mid-major) (3-2) (5-3) 0.434 1.602
74. Florida A&M (2-6) (2-6) 0.428 1.545
75. UC Davis, CA (3-4) (3-6) 0.422 1.494
76. Maine (2-5) (2-6) 0.418 1.459
77. Coastal Carolina, SC (2-5) (3-5) 0.416 1.442
78. Wagner, NY (mid-major) (4-3) (5-3) 0.413 1.416
79. Dartmouth, NH (2-5) (2-5) 0.409 1.387
80. Weber State, UT (3-4) (3-5) 0.402 1.330
81. Samford, AL (3-3) (4-4) 0.394 1.268
82. Mississippi Valley State (2-6) (2-6) 0.389 1.227
83. Lafayette, PA (4-4) (4-4) 0.387 1.215
84. Presbyterian, SC (3-4) (5-4) 0.379 1.156
85. Western Carolina, NC (1-6) (1-8) 0.377 1.138
86. Bethune Cookman, FL (3-5) (3-5) 0.358 1.013
87. North Carolina Central (2-1) (6-3) 0.347 0.947
88. Idaho State (2-4) (3-5) 0.344 0.932
89. Duquesne, PA (mid-major) (4-3) (5-3) 0.335 0.877
90. Northwestern State, LA (2-4) (3-5) 0.326 0.828
91. Portland State, OR (2-5) (2-6) 0.321 0.803
92. Northeastern, MA (1-6) (1-7) 0.309 0.741
93. Robert Morris, PA (mid-major) (3-5) (3-5) 0.308 0.734
94. Jacksonville, FL (mid-major) (1-6) (2-6) 0.303 0.711
95. Charleston Southern, SC (1-4) (3-5) 0.303 0.710
96. Tennessee Tech (2-5) (4-5) 0.299 0.695
97. Valparaiso, IN (mid-major) (1-4) (4-5) 0.291 0.657
98. Arkansas Pine Bluff (1-6) (1-7) 0.280 0.608
99. Tennessee Martin (2-6) (2-7) 0.279 0.605
100. Pennsylvania (2-5) (2-5) 0.276 0.591
101. Sacramento State, CA (1-5) (1-7) 0.273 0.578
102. Monmouth, NJ (mid-major) (2-5) (2-5) 0.272 0.577
103. Northern Colorado (1-6) (1-8) 0.265 0.547
104. VMI, VA (1-6) (2-6) 0.264 0.542
105. Bucknell, PA (2-6) (2-6) 0.259 0.525
106. Southeastern Louisiana (1-3) (2-6) 0.253 0.503
107. Murray State, KY (1-5) (2-6) 0.228 0.417
108. Alcorn State, MS (1-5) (1-6) 0.215 0.374
109. Georgetown, DC (1-8) (1-8) 0.208 0.353
110. Southern Utah (0-7) (0-8) 0.184 0.289
111. St. Francis, PA (mid-major) (1-6) (1-6) 0.166 0.243
112. Columbia, NY (1-6) (1-6) 0.146 0.199
113. Southeast Missouri State (1-5) (2-6) 0.145 0.196
114. Butler, IN (mid-major) (0-5) (4-5) 0.140 0.187
115. Sacred Heart, CT (mid-major) (2-6) (3-6) 0.121 0.151
116. Stephen F. Austin, TX (0-7) (0-8) 0.110 0.132
117. Savannah State, GA (0-4) (1-7) 0.110 0.132
118. Texas Southern (0-7) (0-8) 0.108 0.129
119. North Carolina A&T (0-9) (0-9) 0.105 0.123
120. Indiana State (0-7) (0-9) 0.087 0.096
121. Marist, NY (mid-major) (1-8) (1-8) 0.061 0.061
122. La Salle, PA (mid-major) (0-3) (0-7) 0.032 0.029
Fictitious Team 2.357

[Boogs]

I want Grambling and Yale in the NCAA playoff. Their ranking says they belong.

Ya gotta want it.

Do away with the SWAC two division format and go with one ten-team round-robin format that decides the SWAC champion,

Have the two best Sheridan teams that remain AFTER the NCAA tournament is over play against each other in the SuperDome with a battle of the bands playing at halftime.

I have to think for everyone. This can and SHOULD be done.

xcoffeex

I want to see the black and gold G-men do a knockout punch against everyone except for Richmond in the playoffs.

I'm against tradition for its own sake. Start a NEW tradition!

[McNeese75]

xcoffeex

[DSUHornet]

i want to wait until the sports network polls get out tomorrow before i comment on anything (kinda ironic right?) but about the DII - III schools, there were a few that actually beat FCS schools this year if i'm not mistaken so i dont think they should be disallowed all together.

[Boogs]

i want to wait until the sports network polls get out tomorrow before i comment on anything (kinda ironic right?) but about the DII - III schools, there were a few that actually beat FCS schools this year if i'm not mistaken so i dont think they should be disallowed all together.

In D3 there's a requirement for D3 schools to play against each other for ranking purposes to help the playoff selection committee. The requirement allows for better objective pairwise comparisons.

This has nothing to do with who can beat who between the classifications.

This hot chocolate is good. xcoffeex

[Boogs]

i want to wait until the sports network polls get out tomorrow before i comment on anything (kinda ironic right?) but about the DII - III schools, there were a few that actually beat FCS schools this year if i'm not mistaken so i dont think they should be disallowed all together.

My take on this is if there are D3 schools beating FCS schools, then the classification system needs to be overhauled. xcoffeex

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[Appguy]

grambling and yale would get ROLLED by NDSU, Delaware, Montana, App, and about half the teams below them

[DSUHornet]

My take on this is if there are D3 schools beating FCS schools, then the classification system needs to be overhauled. xcoffeex

while this is true, then what does that say about the Michagan/ App St. Game?


yea, this stuff is good.... xcoffeex

[Boogs]

grambling and yale would get ROLLED by NDSU, Delaware, Montana, App, and about half the teams below them

A lot of people said that about Michigan and Aps State.

Michigan is still winning.

Aps State loses two to FCS competition.

The laws of probability skew from time-to-time.

Love cherries in my hot chocolate. xcoffeex

[DSUHornet]

grambling and yale would get ROLLED by NDSU, Delaware, Montana, App, and about half the teams below them

...and delaware state!

xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx

[Boogs]

while this is true, then what does that say about the Michagan/ App St. Game?


yea, this stuff is good.... xcoffeex

The best FCS team is about in the middle tier of FBS. In other words, the best FCS team would usually be ranked about 50-60th out of 120 FBS schools.

Had Michigan lost to a team ranked 60th the hype with Apps State would not have occurred.

The general perception I see is the best FCS team should get beat by the worst FBS team. When Apps won, the ignorant media went nuts.

We know better, right? xcoffeex

[DSUHornet]

A lot of people said that about Michigan and Aps State.

Michigan is still winning.

Aps State loses two to FCS competition.

The laws of probability skew from time-to-time.

Love cherries in my hot chocolate. xcoffeex

right, but what i'm saying is the D3 schools probably go back and lose to other d3 schools as well.


true, but i'm more of a strawberry man xcoffeex

[DSUHornet]

The best FCS team is about in the middle tier of FBS. In other words, the best FCS team would usually be ranked about 50-60th out of 120 FBS schools.

Had Michigan lost to a team ranked 60th the hype with Apps State would not have occurred.

The general perception the best FCS team should get beat by the worst FBS team. When Apps won, the ignorant media went nuts.

We know better, right? xcoffeex

i see what you are saying, and of course we do.

but at the same time do you think the teams that beat app st. would beat mich. on any given saturday? xcoffeex

[Boogs]

right, but what i'm saying is the D3 schools probably go back and lose to other d3 schools as well.


true, but i'm more of a strawberry man xcoffeex

Force like teams to play like teams and you get a better pairwise comparison.

We do not have very good comparison connections (using final score margins as a desperate choice at this point) with FCS schools this deep into the season.

xcoffeex A shot of vanilla in it tastes good too.

[Boogs]

i see what you are saying, and of course we do.

but at the same time do you think the teams that beat app st. would beat mich. on any given saturday? xcoffeex

I think I know where you are going with this. Rankings should ONLY be based on games already played. If data is limited (teams playing outside of their classifications with lots of teams still undefeated), I'd say "yes" to having lots of FCS teams ranked higher than Michigan as of today, October 28th.

Go to Ken Massey's site and put in some random teams to find some really intriguing conquering paths: http://www.masseyratings.com/path.php

[Boogs]

Does Stony Brook belong in the FCS playoffs too?

We need more FCS vs. FCS games being played in the regular season to prevent bad playoff selections. Do away with FCS schools playing D2, D3, and NAIA competition.

If D3 schools are forced to play a high percentage of their games against D3 teams in their geographical regions, why not FCS?

Checkout this conquering path (compliments of Ken Massey's website):

2007-09-08 Stony Brook 48 @ Bucknell 20
2007-09-01 Bucknell 28 @ Duquesne 19
2007-10-20 @ Duquesne 17 Robert Morris 14
2007-09-22 Robert Morris 9 @ Morehead St 8
2007-09-29 @ Morehead St 42 Dayton 35
2007-09-22 Dayton 31 @ Fordham 24
2007-09-29 Fordham 34 @ Colgate 31
2007-10-20 @ Colgate 27 Towson 17
2007-10-06 @ Towson 23 Richmond 21
2007-09-29 @ Richmond 45 New Hampshire 38
2007-10-20 New Hampshire 40 @ Hofstra 3
2007-09-08 @ Hofstra 32 Furman 17
2007-10-20 Furman 28 @ Chattanooga 22
2007-09-22 Chattanooga 45 @ Ga Southern 38 O1
2007-10-20 Ga Southern 38 @ Appalachian St 35
2007-09-01 Appalachian St 34 @ Michigan 32


xcoffeex

[X-Factor]

what a joke

[bcrawf]

I knew that DII Upper Iowa was better than LSU

2007-10-13 @ Upper Iowa 39 SW Minnesota 27
2007-10-06 @ SW Minnesota 24 Concordia SP 19
2007-09-01 Concordia SP 20 @ Augustana SD 19
2007-10-13 Augustana SD 44 @ St Cloud 18
2007-09-15 @ St Cloud 26 WI Whitewater 16
2007-09-29 WI Whitewater 35 @ WI LaCrosse 28
2007-09-15 @ WI LaCrosse 27 Azusa Pacific 20 O1
2007-09-08 @ Azusa Pacific 28 Malone 21
2007-10-13 @ Malone 42 Walsh 35
2007-09-08 Walsh 12 @ Seton Hill 10
2007-09-22 @ Seton Hill 34 Glenville St 27 O1
2007-09-15 @ Glenville St 24 Shepherd 13
2007-10-06 @ Shepherd 49 Charleston WV 13
2007-08-25 @ Charleston WV 27 Tusculum 23
2007-10-20 @ Tusculum 31 Catawba 28
2007-10-13 Catawba 55 @ Carson-Newman 49
2007-08-30 Carson-Newman 29 @ Chattanooga 17
2007-09-22 Chattanooga 45 @ Ga Southern 38 O1
2007-10-20 Ga Southern 38 @ Appalachian St 35
2007-09-01 Appalachian St 34 @ Michigan 32
2007-09-15 @ Michigan 38 Notre Dame 0
2007-10-06 Notre Dame 20 @ UCLA 6
2007-10-20 @ UCLA 30 California 21
2007-09-01 @ California 45 Tennessee 31
2007-10-13 Tennessee 33 @ Mississippi St 21
2007-09-15 Mississippi St 19 @ Auburn 14
2007-09-29 Auburn 20 @ Florida 17
2007-10-20 Florida 45 @ Kentucky 37
2007-10-13 @ Kentucky 43 LSU 37 O3

[Boogs]

I knew that DII Upper Iowa was better than LSU

2007-10-13 @ Upper Iowa 39 SW Minnesota 27
2007-10-06 @ SW Minnesota 24 Concordia SP 19
2007-09-01 Concordia SP 20 @ Augustana SD 19
2007-10-13 Augustana SD 44 @ St Cloud 18
2007-09-15 @ St Cloud 26 WI Whitewater 16
2007-09-29 WI Whitewater 35 @ WI LaCrosse 28
2007-09-15 @ WI LaCrosse 27 Azusa Pacific 20 O1
2007-09-08 @ Azusa Pacific 28 Malone 21
2007-10-13 @ Malone 42 Walsh 35
2007-09-08 Walsh 12 @ Seton Hill 10
2007-09-22 @ Seton Hill 34 Glenville St 27 O1
2007-09-15 @ Glenville St 24 Shepherd 13
2007-10-06 @ Shepherd 49 Charleston WV 13
2007-08-25 @ Charleston WV 27 Tusculum 23
2007-10-20 @ Tusculum 31 Catawba 28
2007-10-13 Catawba 55 @ Carson-Newman 49
2007-08-30 Carson-Newman 29 @ Chattanooga 17
2007-09-22 Chattanooga 45 @ Ga Southern 38 O1
2007-10-20 Ga Southern 38 @ Appalachian St 35
2007-09-01 Appalachian St 34 @ Michigan 32
2007-09-15 @ Michigan 38 Notre Dame 0
2007-10-06 Notre Dame 20 @ UCLA 6
2007-10-20 @ UCLA 30 California 21
2007-09-01 @ California 45 Tennessee 31
2007-10-13 Tennessee 33 @ Mississippi St 21
2007-09-15 Mississippi St 19 @ Auburn 14
2007-09-29 Auburn 20 @ Florida 17
2007-10-20 Florida 45 @ Kentucky 37
2007-10-13 @ Kentucky 43 LSU 37 O3


If you have limited data, that's what you could potentially get in a playoff selection -- a MAAC/PFL/NEC school in the playoffs. Force them to play FCS competition. Thanks for proving my point.

Don't think for a minute the folks in the MAAC/PFL/NEC use this data for their evidence while begging to get an at-large bid.

[BlueHen86]

Down to 9 teams that are still undefeated against FCS competition. FBS has 5. That tells me games against Div. II, III and NAIA schools should be disallowed.

Dayton is the highest ranked mid-major (Don Hansen's definition of mid-major). xcoffeex

Bradley-Terry Football Rankings

NCAA Div. I Football Championship Subdivision

Thru 10/27/2007

Rank | Team | Div. I Football Championship Subdivision Record | Overall Record | Round-Robin Winning Percentage | Bradley-Terry Points
1. Massachusetts (7-0) (7-1) 0.945 100.000
2. Northern Iowa (6-0) (8-0) 0.936 83.982
3. Grambling State, LA (7-0) (7-1) 0.917 60.491
4. Yale, CT (7-0) (7-0) 0.900 47.471
5. Delaware State (7-0) (7-1) 0.872 33.840
6. North Dakota State (6-0) (8-0) 0.865 31.197
7. Eastern Kentucky (7-0) (7-2) 0.862 30.222
8. Montana (7-0) (8-0) 0.861 29.818
9. James Madison, VA (6-1) (6-2) 0.849 26.407
10. Wofford, SC (6-1) (7-2) 0.845 25.297
11. Elon, NC (5-1) (6-2) 0.843 24.801
12. Richmond, VA (6-1) (6-2) 0.827 21.285
13. Alabama A&M (6-1) (7-1) 0.817 19.439
14. Villanova, PA (5-2) (5-3) 0.813 18.868
15. McNeese State, LA (6-0) (8-0) 0.807 17.823
16. New Hampshire (5-2) (6-2) 0.805 17.496
17. Southern Illinois (5-1) (7-1) 0.795 16.148
18. Holy Cross, MA (6-2) (6-2) 0.790 15.552
19. Appalachian State, NC (4-2) (6-2) 0.775 13.716
20. Delaware (5-1) (7-1) 0.772 13.407
21. Hofstra, NY (6-2) (6-2) 0.763 12.492
22. Western Illinois (5-2) (6-3) 0.759 12.158
23. Dayton, OH (mid-major) (6-1) (8-1) 0.752 11.563
24. Georgia Southern (5-2) (6-2) 0.742 10.721
25. Southern, LA (6-2) (6-2) 0.711 8.627
26. Norfolk State, VA (5-1) (6-2) 0.695 7.737
27. Fordham, NY (7-2) (7-2) 0.688 7.393
28. William & Mary, VA (4-3) (4-4) 0.681 7.053
29. South Carolina State (4-2) (4-4) 0.681 7.040
30. Jackson State, MS (5-2) (5-3) 0.678 6.880
31. The Citadel, SC (4-2) (5-3) 0.675 6.787
32. San Diego, CA (mid-major) (6-1) (7-1) 0.675 6.761
33. Harvard, MA (5-2) (5-2) 0.665 6.357
34. Colgate, NY (5-3) (5-3) 0.653 5.890
35. Youngstown State, OH (4-3) (5-4) 0.651 5.817
36. Albany, NY (mid-major) (5-3) (5-3) 0.643 5.534
37. Prairie View A&M, TX (5-2) (5-2) 0.633 5.195
38. Gardner Webb, NC (4-2) (4-4) 0.629 5.058
39. Iona, NY (mid-major) (4-1) (6-2) 0.628 5.021
40. Jacksonville State, AL (5-2) (5-3) 0.619 4.768
41. Lehigh, PA (4-4) (4-4) 0.609 4.478
42. Missouri State (4-3) (5-4) 0.601 4.276
43. Towson, MD (3-5) (3-5) 0.599 4.212
44. Eastern Illinois (6-2) (6-3) 0.595 4.124
45. South Dakota State (4-4) (4-4) 0.590 3.985
46. Eastern Washington (4-2) (5-3) 0.567 3.476
47. Central Arkansas (5-2) (5-3) 0.567 3.476
48. Furman, SC (3-4) (3-5) 0.565 3.438
49. Cornell, NY (4-3) (4-3) 0.565 3.436
50. Illinois State (4-4) (4-5) 0.563 3.408
51. Liberty, VA (3-2) (5-3) 0.555 3.252
52. Drake, IA (mid-major) (4-3) (6-3) 0.549 3.126
53. Hampton, VA (4-4) (4-4) 0.542 3.012
54. Cal Poly, CA (4-2) (5-3) 0.539 2.954
55. Davidson, NC (mid-major) (3-2) (5-3) 0.539 2.949
56. Winston-Salem State, NC (5-3) (5-3) 0.536 2.909
57. Morehead State, KY (mid-major) (5-2) (6-2) 0.532 2.840
58. Alabama State (4-4) (4-4) 0.520 2.648
59. Tennessee-Chattanooga (2-4) (2-6) 0.508 2.469
60. Northern Arizona (4-3) (5-4) 0.508 2.469
61. Tennessee State (3-5) (3-5) 0.506 2.441
62. Stony Brook, NY (4-4) (5-4) 0.505 2.428
63. Texas State (3-3) (3-5) 0.497 2.315
64. Morgan State, MD (5-4) (5-4) 0.496 2.303
65. Howard, DC (3-3) (4-4) 0.479 2.082
66. Montana State (4-2) (5-3) 0.467 1.941
67. Austin Peay, TN (4-3) (5-3) 0.465 1.919
68. Nicholls State, LA (2-2) (5-3) 0.457 1.838
69. Sam Houston State, TX (2-3) (4-4) 0.446 1.726
70. Brown, RI (3-4) (3-4) 0.445 1.714
71. Princeton, NJ (3-4) (3-4) 0.436 1.626
72. Rhode Island (1-6) (1-7) 0.434 1.606
73. Central Connecticut State (mid-major) (3-2) (5-3) 0.434 1.602
74. Florida A&M (2-6) (2-6) 0.428 1.545
75. UC Davis, CA (3-4) (3-6) 0.422 1.494
76. Maine (2-5) (2-6) 0.418 1.459
77. Coastal Carolina, SC (2-5) (3-5) 0.416 1.442
78. Wagner, NY (mid-major) (4-3) (5-3) 0.413 1.416
79. Dartmouth, NH (2-5) (2-5) 0.409 1.387
80. Weber State, UT (3-4) (3-5) 0.402 1.330
81. Samford, AL (3-3) (4-4) 0.394 1.268
82. Mississippi Valley State (2-6) (2-6) 0.389 1.227
83. Lafayette, PA (4-4) (4-4) 0.387 1.215
84. Presbyterian, SC (3-4) (5-4) 0.379 1.156
85. Western Carolina, NC (1-6) (1-8) 0.377 1.138
86. Bethune Cookman, FL (3-5) (3-5) 0.358 1.013
87. North Carolina Central (2-1) (6-3) 0.347 0.947
88. Idaho State (2-4) (3-5) 0.344 0.932
89. Duquesne, PA (mid-major) (4-3) (5-3) 0.335 0.877
90. Northwestern State, LA (2-4) (3-5) 0.326 0.828
91. Portland State, OR (2-5) (2-6) 0.321 0.803
92. Northeastern, MA (1-6) (1-7) 0.309 0.741
93. Robert Morris, PA (mid-major) (3-5) (3-5) 0.308 0.734
94. Jacksonville, FL (mid-major) (1-6) (2-6) 0.303 0.711
95. Charleston Southern, SC (1-4) (3-5) 0.303 0.710
96. Tennessee Tech (2-5) (4-5) 0.299 0.695
97. Valparaiso, IN (mid-major) (1-4) (4-5) 0.291 0.657
98. Arkansas Pine Bluff (1-6) (1-7) 0.280 0.608
99. Tennessee Martin (2-6) (2-7) 0.279 0.605
100. Pennsylvania (2-5) (2-5) 0.276 0.591
101. Sacramento State, CA (1-5) (1-7) 0.273 0.578
102. Monmouth, NJ (mid-major) (2-5) (2-5) 0.272 0.577
103. Northern Colorado (1-6) (1-8) 0.265 0.547
104. VMI, VA (1-6) (2-6) 0.264 0.542
105. Bucknell, PA (2-6) (2-6) 0.259 0.525
106. Southeastern Louisiana (1-3) (2-6) 0.253 0.503
107. Murray State, KY (1-5) (2-6) 0.228 0.417
108. Alcorn State, MS (1-5) (1-6) 0.215 0.374
109. Georgetown, DC (1-8) (1-8) 0.208 0.353
110. Southern Utah (0-7) (0-8) 0.184 0.289
111. St. Francis, PA (mid-major) (1-6) (1-6) 0.166 0.243
112. Columbia, NY (1-6) (1-6) 0.146 0.199
113. Southeast Missouri State (1-5) (2-6) 0.145 0.196
114. Butler, IN (mid-major) (0-5) (4-5) 0.140 0.187
115. Sacred Heart, CT (mid-major) (2-6) (3-6) 0.121 0.151
116. Stephen F. Austin, TX (0-7) (0-8) 0.110 0.132
117. Savannah State, GA (0-4) (1-7) 0.110 0.132
118. Texas Southern (0-7) (0-8) 0.108 0.129
119. North Carolina A&T (0-9) (0-9) 0.105 0.123
120. Indiana State (0-7) (0-9) 0.087 0.096
121. Marist, NY (mid-major) (1-8) (1-8) 0.061 0.061
122. La Salle, PA (mid-major) (0-3) (0-7) 0.032 0.029
Fictitious Team 2.357
Bradley - Terry
Badly - Terrible.

Sorry, I know this isn't the smack board but after 8 weeks I would hope the rankings were more accurate.
There is no way any sane ranking system has North Dakota St behind Yale and Delaware St and Grambling. At least they are one spot ahead of Eastern Kentucky.

[813Jag]

I hope this doesn't turn out like his last Grambling/Playoffs thread. xnonono2x
Boogs, you can get off that soapbox it's not gonna happen. xreadx

[Gil Dobie]

Bradley - Terry
Badly - Terrible.

Sorry, I know this isn't the smack board but after 8 weeks I would hope the rankings were more accurate.
There is no way any sane ranking system has North Dakota St behind Yale and Delaware St and Grambling. At least they are one spot ahead of Eastern Kentucky.

The 2 FBS wins hurt NDSU in these rankings. ;)

[DSUHornet]

agreed. but it appears the common flaw is the app. st/mich game. either they needed to lose to mich, or win all fcs games to avoid both of those story lines.

without that one game resulting in such a manner, the story lines would make much more sense.

[BlueHen86]

The 2 FBS wins hurt NDSU in these rankings. ;)

Sadly, you are correct.

NDSU wasted their time playing two FBS teams that don't really exist in this ranking system.

NDSU would have been better off playing FCS teams instead. They should have scheduled two games with FCS powerhouse LaSalle and they would be ranked higher.xnutsx

[GreatAppSt]

xrolleyesx xrolleyesx xrolleyesx xrolleyesx xrolleyesx xoopsx

[Boogs]

The 2 FBS wins hurt NDSU in these rankings. ;)

Wait a minute.

If the best FCS team would be ranked around 50-60th in the FBS rankings, how is a win over Minnesota (close win) plus a win over Central Michigan anything out of the ordinary? Minnesota would be ranked in the lower half of the FBS overall rankings anyway. Central Michigan would undoubtedly be ranked near the lower half too.

At least you didn't cut the lines of communication like the folks from Albany do when we have a spirited debate and they put me on ignore and pout.

I would really like an explanation about the mixed in rankings of FBS and FCS and the generally accepted fact the best FCS school would be ranked around 50-60th in the FBS rankings and how North Dakota State's two FBS wins were out of the ordinary.

Again thanks for keeping the lines of communication open unlike the northeasterners -- Danefan/Dane96 (probably the same person with two accounts?)

xcoffeex

[Boogs]

I hope this doesn't turn out like his last Grambling/Playoffs thread. xnonono2x
Boogs, you can get off that soapbox it's not gonna happen. xreadx

You're helmet is Harvard? Are you a Harvard grad? I guess I over-estimated the mental faculties of that school if you are questioning my logic with empty blanket statements.

[Peems]

You're helmet is Harvard? Are you a Harvard grad? I guess I over-estimated the mental faculties of that school if you are questioning my logic with empty blanket statements.

It's not a Harvard helmet and he went to Southern(correct me if I'm wrong 813)

[Tribe4SF]

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[TCisMYhero]

#52 Drake is non-scholly, but still D-1..... Just wondering why UNI's win over them is classifed as a non-d1 win.....?

[McNeese_beat]

<<If the best FCS team would be ranked around 50-60th in the FBS rankings, how is a win over Minnesota (close win) plus a win over Central Michigan anything out of the ordinary?>>

Is that gospel? Do you have biblical evidence? Or is there some formula that guarantees that spot?

Also, judgin from Sagarin, Central Michigan would be ranked No. 6 in the FCS and Minnesota would be 21st. So it would make sense to me to treat beating the best team in the MAC and a Big 10 team as wins over a top 10 and a top 25 team, respectively.

Any fair ranking system would.

Even the numbers-only prep power ranking system in Louisiana rewards teams for playing "up" in enrollment class and penalizes for playing "down."

[BlueHen86]

#52 Drake is non-scholly, but still D-1..... Just wondering why UNI's win over them is classifed as a non-d1 win.....?
If you don't like it, make up your own ranking system.;)

I suggest you make one up where the only games that count are wins over Iowa teams. You guys are the unofficial Iowa state champions, you should rank high in that system.xlolx

[Dane96]

I will indirectly answer Boogs-- I put you on ignore because you are geek...in the worst sense of the word (not as in overly smart...I don't use that word for smart people).

That being said, it is difficult debating with someone who can barely understand the concept.

Furthermore, it is even worst to converse someone who has yet to realize he is a pariah-- Not because of views but because your "agenda" is not backed by reasonable fact.

BTW, considering Albany and Stony Brook are the same size, I want to leave it to the MONTANA fans (who saw the DANES) to comment on how fat and slow we are, in addition to how skinny we are. You used both those comments (don't they cancel each other out?) to describe Stony Brook.

Peace!

[Mountain Panther]

#52 Drake is non-scholly, but still D-1..... Just wondering why UNI's win over them is classifed as a non-d1 win.....?

2. Northern Iowa (6-0) (8-0)

The 6-0 is not counting Minnesota State and Iowa State.

[Mountain Panther]

You guys are the unofficial Iowa state champions, you should rank high in that system.xlolx

I guess we'll never know who the Delaware state champ is since you "refuse" to play DSU. xlolx

[BlueHen86]

I guess we'll never know who the Delaware state champ is since you "refuse" to play DSU. xlolx
Don't start that crap. Bad post from you Mountain Panther.

[Boogs]

#52 Drake is non-scholly, but still D-1..... Just wondering why UNI's win over them is classifed as a non-d1 win.....?

UNI (Northern Iowa) over Drake was used.

What made you think that particular game was thrown out?

[Mountain Panther]

Don't start that crap. Bad post from you Mountain Panther.

It was a joke.....good job vs Navy BTW.

[Boogs]

I will indirectly answer Boogs-- I put you on ignore because you are geek...in the worst sense of the word (not as in overly smart...I don't use that word for smart people).

A lot of people think I'm smart (and innovative) as heck.


IThat being said, it is difficult debating with someone who can barely understand the concept.

More fluff from a northeasterner. Grrasping at straws.


Furthermore, it is even worst to converse someone who has yet to realize he is a pariah-- Not because of views but because your "agenda" is not backed by reasonable fact.

Dude, PFL/NEC/MAAC football don't belong in FCS. I wish I took a picture at the Stony Brook/Richmond game to show everyone. It was a physical mismatch that was extremely noticeable.

Players from Stony Brook were hauled off the field! Lots of Stony Brook ice pack ouchies that will never appear on an injury report! I don't see that in Richmond's other games!


BTW, considering Albany and Stony Brook are the same size, I want to leave it to the MONTANA fans (who saw the DANES) to comment on how fat and slow we are, in addition to how skinny we are. You used both those comments (don't they cancel each other out?) to describe Stony Brook.

I overestimated your intelligence. As a matter of fact the fat + skinny guys do not cancel each other out.


Peace!

Merry Christmas!

[FormerPokeCenter]

Down to 9 teams that are still undefeated against FCS competition. FBS has 5. That tells me games against Div. II, III and NAIA schools should be disallowed.




Isn't there a more appropriate place to post this trash, like maybe the "Statistical Science Fiction" section in the Lounge?

[Dane96]

If you are a Richmond grad, I pray for the others with the degree.

Buddy, how is a team both fat and slow...and then skinny?

Again, Delaware got beat by Albany. Georgia Southern got beat by CCSU. Morgan State by Monmouth. Colgate by CCSU. Lehigh by Albany. Fordham (twice) by Albany.

Most certainly, we were not mismatched.

Stony is from the same mold.

Next..xcoffeex

[Boogs]

If you are a Richmond grad, I pray for the others with the degree.

We all need prayer. Keep doing that.


Buddy, how is a team both fat and slow...and then skinny?

Ummm...think it through. The team had a mixture of both.


Again, Delaware got beat by Albany. Georgia Southern got beat by CCSU. Morgan State by Monmouth. Colgate by CCSU. Lehigh by Albany. Fordham (twice) by Albany.

HAH! Like I said in another post, here's another attempt by the northeasterner contingent (Albany posters) to use conquering path mathematics to gain the blessing of the FCS playoff selection committee!

Didn't realize the NCAA allows teams to play each other more than once in the same regular season in the same season! You are using success from prior years without revealing the relative goodness of the teams defeated in those years. (yes, I realize Albany guys won't comphrend this but what the heck)


Most certainly, we were not mismatched.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Keep thinking that Upper Iowa is better than LSU! Remember that thread?!


Stony is from the same mold.

And how is that a compliment to the Albany program?! Albany must suck too.


Next..xcoffeex

More cherries in my hot chocolate, please? xcoffeex

[813Jag]

It's not a Harvard helmet and he went to Southern(correct me if I'm wrong 813)
That's correct. I'm just trying to keep this topic from getting as out of hand as the if Grambling wins out topic. Because no matter what the rankings say Grambling won't be in the playoffs this year or any year in the near future.
BTW, this is here's Harvard's helmet:
http://www.nationalchamps.net/Helmet_Project/Harvard.gif

[BlueHen86]

Can someone please move this thread to the smack board.

[Boogs]

That's correct. I'm just trying to keep this topic from getting as out of hand as the if Grambling wins out topic. Because no matter what the rankings say Grambling won't be in the playoffs this year or any year in the near future.

This thread hasn't gone down the route that got it deleted the first time around.

I don't see a problem with this current thread.

xcoffeex

[BlueHen86]

That's correct. I'm just trying to keep this topic from getting as out of hand as the if Grambling wins out topic. Because no matter what the rankings say Grambling won't be in the playoffs this year or any year in the near future.

There you go again, dealing in reality.xrolleyesx

We're in fantasy land now. FBS doesn't exist and the football fairy is going to force all FCS teams into the playoffs.

Grambling is ranked number 1 in the Dungeons and Dragons rating system, so they must go to the playoffs.;)

[813Jag]

There you go again, dealing in reality.xrolleyesx

We're in fantasy land now. FBS doesn't exist and the football fairy is going to force all FCS teams into the playoffs.

Grambling is ranked number 1 in the Dungeons and Dragons rating system, so they must go to the playoffs.;)
That's my fault. It'll never happen again. xthumbsupx

[Boogs]

There you go again, dealing in reality.xrolleyesx

We're in fantasy land now. FBS doesn't exist and the football fairy is going to force all FCS teams into the playoffs.

Grambling is ranked number 1 in the Dungeons and Dragons rating system, so they must go to the playoffs.;)

Can you please give specific examples of why Grambling should not be in the playoffs assuming/role playing they wanted/are eligible this year?

Give evidence of who beat who, etc. ....from this year's stats only that justify your stance.

[BlueHen86]

It was a joke.....good job vs Navy BTW.

Thanks;)

[BlueHen86]

Can you please give specific examples of why Grambling would not be in the playoffs assuming they wanted/could be eligible this year?

Give evidence of who beat who, etc. ....from this year only.
They don't want to be eligible. They choose not to be. There is no sense in discussing this.

[Boogs]

They don't want to be eligible. They choose not to be. There is no sense in discussing this.

The directions were to assume they were eligible and willing to be in the playoffs.

You're examples please in defense of why they should not be included?

Treat this like a court of law hearing.

Yes, it does make sense discussing this. xcoffeex Don't wuss out like the Albany contingent.

[Dane96]

We all need prayer. Keep doing that.



Ummm...think it through. The team had a mixture of both.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! Keep thinking that Upper Iowa is better than LSU! Remember that thread?!



And how is that a compliment to the Albany program?! Albany must suck too.



More cherries in my hot chocolate, please? xcoffeex

One-- You sound like another poster, DFFF that people couldnt stand.

Two- You said Stony Brook was fat and slow...and then skinny- Separate posts. Make up your mind. You said it together and I would at least listen to you---But you did not.

Three- Albany sucks so bad that we beat Delaware, Fordham (twice), Lehigh, and were in our games versus Hofstra and Montana, and could have beaten (2pts) Colgate...with 43 scholarships less than all.

Four- Upper Iowa and LSU- No I do not remember that thread...I didnt comment on those.

[BlueHen86]

The directions were to assume they were eligible and willing to be in the playoffs.

You're examples please in defense of why they should not be included?

Treat this like a court of law hearing.

Yes, it does make sense discussing this. xcoffeex Don't wuss out like the Albany contingent.

Why? Did I ever say they shouldn't be included? No.
I'm not going to defend a position that I don't have.

The reality is they chose not to participate in the playoffs. Why can't you understand this?

[Dane96]

The directions were to assume they were eligible and willing to be in the playoffs.

You're examples please in defense of why they should not be included?

Treat this like a court of law hearing.

Yes, it does make sense discussing this. xcoffeex Don't wuss out like the Albany contingent.

Ummm...don't disparage those that actually practice in the courts of law. Your visions of LA LAW are just that.

That being said, why would he defend why they should not be included. The teams choose to not be included. It is THAT SIMPLE. When the teams say they want to be included...then we can argue.

Until that point, much like a court of law, there is no STANDING for such an arugment.

xnonono2x

[Dane96]

There you go again, dealing in reality.xrolleyesx

We're in fantasy land now. FBS doesn't exist and the football fairy is going to force all FCS teams into the playoffs.

Grambling is ranked number 1 in the Dungeons and Dragons rating system, so they must go to the playoffs.;)

Rep points, my brother. I just thought of bus rides in elementary school nearly 27 years ago....

[BlueHen86]

Ummm...don't disparage those that actually practice the court of law. Your visions of LA LAW are just that.

That being said, why would he defend why they should not be included. The teams choose to not be included. It is THAT SIMPLE. When the teams say they want to be included...then we can argue.

Until that point, much like a court of law, there is no STANDING for such an arugment.

xnonono2x
Another sensible poster. xthumbsupx That just won't fly here. Either drink the kool aid or get out.xlolx

[Boogs]

Why? Did I ever say they shouldn't be included? No.
I'm not going to defend a position that I don't have.

The reality is they chose not to participate in the playoffs. Why can't you understand this?

You didn't care for their #3 ranking.

Explain why? Why is that so hard for you?

P.S. I'm not on ignore mode with Dane96 like he said I was?

[Dane96]

I took you off...it is WAY...WAY TOO MUCH FUN WATCHING FOOTBALL TODAY...and making fun of you.

[Boogs]

Ummm...don't disparage those that actually practice in the courts of law. Your visions of LA LAW are just that.

That being said, why would he defend why they should not be included. The teams choose to not be included. It is THAT SIMPLE. When the teams say they want to be included...then we can argue.

Until that point, much like a court of law, there is no STANDING for such an arugment.

xnonono2x

That wasn't the issue.

The issue he (others) had was Grambling's #3 ranking.

If you want to represent him, then you explain why (with this year's stats) on why Grambling should not be in the playoffs if they wanted to be in the playoffs.

xcoffeex

Keep the emotion out of your response, please.

xcoffeex

[Dane96]

Well, because it is a moot point...they are not going to be, nor want to be in the playoffs. SIMPLE!

That being said, it is pretty clear with the SOS of Grambling, if they were eligible, your ranking system IS WAY OFF...because they are not even close to the team that some below them are.

Is that simple enough for you.

Now, in line with NFL LONDON today, why don't you PISS OFF, YOU MUPPET!

[Boogs]

Well, because it is a moot point...they are not going to be, nor want to be in the playoffs. SIMPLE!

That being said, it is pretty clear with the SOS of Grambling, if they were eligible, your ranking system IS WAY OFF...because they are not even close to the team that some below them are.

Is that simple enough for you.

Now, in line with NFL LONDON today, why don't you PISS OFF, YOU MUPPET!

Not simple enough.

Can you give examples? Particular game scores? Conquering paths?

The glittering generalities are just that -- glittering generalities.

xcoffeex

[Dane96]

9/01 at Alcorn St W 31-10
09/08 at Pittsburgh L 34-10
09/22 Alabama A&M W 31-6
09/29 at PV A&M W 17-14
10/06 MVSU W 40-0
10/13 at Ark-PB W 30-24
10/20 at Jackson St W 30-20
10/27 Tex South W 57-9

Is not a schedule worthy of a top 3 ranking. VERY GOOD TEAM-- YES! Third BEST TEAM- Ummmm...not even close. They got housed by one of the worst FBS teams (PITT). They have nice wins!!! Have they beaten a TOP 20 ranked team?

NOPE.

Next argument...but put that in your PIPE AND SMOKE IT.

[Boogs]

9/01 at Alcorn St W 31-10
09/08 at Pittsburgh L 34-10
09/22 Alabama A&M W 31-6
09/29 at PV A&M W 17-14
10/06 MVSU W 40-0
10/13 at Ark-PB W 30-24
10/20 at Jackson St W 30-20
10/27 Tex South W 57-9

Is not a schedule worthy of a top 3 ranking. VERY GOOD TEAM-- YES! Third BEST TEAM- Ummmm...not even close. They got housed by one of the worst FBS teams (PITT). They have nice wins!!! Have they beaten a TOP 20 ranked team?

NOPE.

Next argument...but put that in your PIPE AND SMOKE IT.


Where is Pittsburgh on Sagarin's list this week? You aren't suppose to have the defendent (me) bring that up as support for your side. You should say where Pittsburgh is on Sagarin's list.

You are aware some teams don't like to run up the score.

The smoke/pipe thing reaks of immaturity and insecurity.

[BlueHen86]

You didn't care for their #3 ranking.

Explain why? Why is that so hard for you?

P.S. I'm not on ignore mode with Dane96 like he said I was?

You didn't ask me to explain why I don't like their number three ranking. (BTW I never said I didn't like their number three ranking, I said they shouldn't be ahead of NDSU)
What you asked me was:



The directions were to assume they were eligible and willing to be in the playoffs.

You're examples please in defense of why they should not be included?

Treat this like a court of law hearing.

Yes, it does make sense discussing this. xcoffeex Don't wuss out like the Albany contingent.

That is a question regarding playoffs. Since you don't have to be ranked #3 to make the playoffs, your two questions have NOTHING to do with each other. You don't even know what your question is, but somehow I'm supposed to answer it.

Grambling has a loss to a mediocre (at best) Pitt team, yet you have them ranked ahead of an undefeated North Dakota State team that has two WINS against FBS teams.

If you want to have a discussion I suggest you avoid apple and orange comparisons. Also, don't put words in peoples mouths.

[Boogs]

Now, in line with NFL LONDON today, why don't you PISS OFF, YOU MUPPET!


Grow up and stick to the issue. xcoffeex

[BlueHen86]

Where is Pittsburgh on Sagarin's list this week? You aren't suppose to have the defendent (me) bring that up as support for your side. You should say where Pittsburgh is on Sagarin's list.

You are aware some teams don't like to run up the score.

The smoke/pipe thing reaks of immaturity and insecurity.
What does Sagarin have to do with this?

[BlueHen86]

Grow up and stick to the issue. xcoffeex

What exactly is the issue? You are all over the place. Playoffs, rankings, Sagarin. I've seen monkee $4!t fights at the zoo that are more organized than your posts.xrolleyesx

BTW - the baboons and gibbons have NDSU ranked ahead of Grambling in their poll.xlolx

[Dane96]

Go BH86, Go....

I am dancin' to this.

BOOGS, the boogie wookie.

[Pageoner]

your ratings system is horrible, simply put.

[Boogs]

9/01 at Alcorn St W 31-10
09/08 at Pittsburgh L 34-10
09/22 Alabama A&M W 31-6
09/29 at PV A&M W 17-14
10/06 MVSU W 40-0
10/13 at Ark-PB W 30-24
10/20 at Jackson St W 30-20
10/27 Tex South W 57-9

Is not a schedule worthy of a top 3 ranking. VERY GOOD TEAM-- YES! Third BEST TEAM- Ummmm...not even close. They got housed by one of the worst FBS teams (PITT). They have nice wins!!! Have they beaten a TOP 20 ranked team?

NOPE.

Next argument...but put that in your PIPE AND SMOKE IT.

Grambling is above the teams they beat in the rankings.

What is your basis for saying Grambling's schedule is not worthy and how does that justify a lower ranking?

[Peems]

Here's what I see. Eastern Kentucky is ahead of teams such as Montana and Wofford. Eastern Kentucky has two losses(one to FBS Kentucky, which you've explained how they should lose) and one to transitioning WKU(how do those count, is it a FBS game?) When you look at their wins they are against teams from the OVC which is rated as the 24th strongest conference by Sagarin. Versus the Griz who have yet to lose and their wins have come against the Big Sky which is the 19th rated conference. Also you can look at Wofford which has a loss to an FBS(like EKU) and a loss to an in conference school in Elon and the Southern Conference is the 10th best conference in all the land. Looking at the ratings for each conference shows the strength of the teams that each have played and Montana and Wofford have proven themselves to be superior teams than EKU.

That is just one example

[ekufbfan]

Here's what I see. Eastern Kentucky is ahead of teams such as Montana and Wofford. Eastern Kentucky has two losses(one to FBS Kentucky, which you've explained how they should lose) and one to transitioning WKU(how do those count, is it a FBS game?) When you look at their wins they are against teams from the OVC which is rated as the 24th strongest conference by Sagarin. Versus the Griz who have yet to lose and their wins have come against the Big Sky which is the 19th rated conference. Also you can look at Wofford which has a loss to an FBS(like EKU) and a loss to an in conference school in Elon and the Southern Conference is the 10th best conference in all the land. Looking at the ratings for each conference shows the strength of the teams that each have played and Montana and Wofford have proven themselves to be superior teams than EKU.

That is just one example


You may be right in your example, however two thoughts..
1. The only way you prove you are superior to another team is on the field
2. What I have been saying for years is that EKU needs to get out of the lightly regarded OVC!

[siugrad99]

Boogs is a pot stirrer.... give it up buddy just be happy your Spiders have a shot at the playoffs and move on.

[BlueHen86]

Boogs is a pot smoker.... give it up buddy just be happy your Spiders have a shot at the playoffs and move on.

Fixed it for you.xthumbsupx

[Peems]

You may be right in your example, however two thoughts..
1. The only way you prove you are superior to another team is on the field
2. What I have been saying for years is that EKU needs to get out of the lightly regarded OVC!

Very true, sorry if I offended. I guess what I was trying to say is that by looking at what the other teams have done you can consider those teams to be better currently