AGS Poll Results - 2022 SEASON - Wk. 9

[AGSPoll]

10/31/2022 AGS Poll Results





Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1215
40


2
Sac State Hornets
1175
9


3
Montana State Bobcats
1124



4
North Dakota State Bison
1067



5
Weber State Wildcats
1033



6
Incarnate Word Cardinals
947



7
Holy Cross Crusaders
914



8
William & Mary Tribe
888



9
Samford Bulldogs
825



10
Mercer Bears
652



11
Chattanooga Mocs
649



12
Furman Paladins
609



13
Idaho Vandals
581



14
Jackson State Tigers
530



15
Richmond Spiders
505



16
Montana Grizzlies
483



17
New Hampshire Wildcats
410



18
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
364



19
Elon Phoenix
357



20
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
306



21
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
230



22
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
211



23
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
200



24
Rhode Island Rams
199



25
Fordham Rams
153
















ORV:




26
Princeton Tigers
152



27
Northern Iowa Panthers
37



28
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
36



29
Villanova Wildcats
36



30
Southern Illinois Salukis
13



31
Texas A&M-Commerce Lions
9



32
Harvard Crimson
4



33
St. Thomas Tommies
4



34
St. Francis Red Flash
3



35
Davidson Wildcats
1



36
Illinois State Redbirds
1



37
Merrimack Warriors
1



38
North Carolina Central Eagles
1



39





40


















Most Significant Win:
Furman Paladins






Most Significant Loss:
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

[FUBeAR]

10/31/2022 AGS Poll Results



Rank
Team:
Total Points


9
Samford Bulldogs
825


10
Mercer Bears
652


11
Chattanooga Mocs
649


12
Furman Paladins
609


LOL

https://dm3omg1n1n7zx.cloudfront.net/rcni/static/journals/nm/15/10/nm.15.10.12.s16/graphic/nm_v15_n10_16_0001.jpg

Guess the SoCon’s gonna have to get a taller, sharper ladder, huh?

[Mocs123]

I think FUBeAR is trying to surround us!

[Professor Chaos]

This week's poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-9-top-25-results-4/

I know they're minor things in the grand scheme but seeing the order of the SOCON teams 10-12 when #11 Chattanooga beat #10 Mercer and #12 Furman beat #11 Chattanooga makes me shake my head. Same with Elon at #19 and Delaware at #18. I'll take partial responsibility for Furman under Chattanooga though since I contributed 8 of the 40 point difference between those two.

I was also kind of surprised to see Idaho and Fordham not given much credit for razor thin losses to top teams.

[Professor Chaos]

Here's mine:

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sac State Hornets
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Incarnate Word Cardinals
7: William & Mary Tribe
8: Idaho Vandals
9: Samford Bulldogs
10: Holy Cross Crusaders
11: Chattanooga Mocs
12: Mercer Bears
13: Jackson State Tigers
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Elon Phoenix
16: Fordham Rams
17: Delaware Fightin Blue Hens
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: Furman Paladins
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: Richmond Spiders
22: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
23: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
24: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
25: Northern Iowa Panthers

Like I alluded to earlier I'm probably too low on Furman but they just hadn't done anything all that impressive to me until last week so I didn't give them as much credit as I should've for beating a good Chattanooga team.

[atthewbon]

Here was my ballot

Your vote is listed below.


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Sac State Hornets
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Holy Cross Crusaders
7: William & Mary Tribe
8: Samford Bulldogs
9: Jackson State Tigers
10: Incarnate Word Cardinals
11: Furman Paladins
12: Idaho Vandals
13: Chattanooga Mocs
14: Mercer Bears
15: New Hampshire Wildcats
16: Richmond Spiders
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: Elon Phoenix
20: Princeton Tigers
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: Rhode Island Rams
23: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: Fordham Rams

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Sac State Hornets
5: Holy Cross Crusaders
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: William & Mary Tribe
8: Samford Bulldogs
9: Incarnate Word Cardinals
10: Chattanooga Mocs
11: Princeton Tigers
12: Mercer Bears
13: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
14: Furman Paladins
15: Jackson State Tigers
16: Richmond Spiders
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: Fordham Rams
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
21: Idaho Vandals
22: Montana Grizzlies
23: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
24: St. Francis Red Flash
25: Northern Iowa Panthers

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: Holy Cross Crusaders
The Most Significant Loss: Southern Illinois Salukis
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[WrenFGun]

Can someone explain why Mercer is so high? They have no good wins.

[caribbeanhen]

Here's mine:

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sac State Hornets
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Incarnate Word Cardinals
7: William & Mary Tribe
8: Idaho Vandals
9: Samford Bulldogs
10: Holy Cross Crusaders
11: Chattanooga Mocs
12: Mercer Bears
13: Jackson State Tigers
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Elon Phoenix
16: Fordham Rams
17: Delaware Fightin Blue Hens
18: Montana Grizzlies
19: Furman Paladins
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: Richmond Spiders
22: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
23: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
24: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
25: Northern Iowa Panthers

Like I alluded to earlier I'm probably too low on Furman but they just hadn't done anything all that impressive to me until last week so I didn't give them as much credit as I should've for beating a good Chattanooga team.

nice poll, Only one comment would be I’m pretty sure Richmond is just better than Rhode Island. They will get a chance to prove it this week down the stretch.

[Professor Chaos]

Can someone explain why Mercer is so high? They have no good wins.
Somebody put up the FUBear bat signal!


Anyway, for me it's that's they're just destroying teams mainly. But they also haven't had much of a chance to get those good wins yet either. Everyone knew that would lose to Auburn and they failed their only other big test so far in their game at Chattanooga. Other than that they've pretty much been trucking everyone. They've got some good tests to close it out with Furman and Samford so they'll get their chance to prove they're deserving of where they're at but there's other teams ranked up there like Jackson St, Montana, and NDSU to varying extents that also don't have any "good wins".



nice poll, Only one comment would be I’m pretty sure Richmond is just better than Rhode Island. They will get a chance to prove it this week down the stretch.
Yeah, that's definitely possible. Richmond and Furman have been two teams I've been lower on than the consensus all year. Appears I was wrong about Furman and I could be wrong about Richmond too.

[WileECoyote06]

Thank you to whomever gave NCCU a point. You are a good American.

[WrenFGun]

My problem with this is that the CAA teams with good wins (UNH over Elon, Elon over Delaware and WM, etc) do have the resume builders and are behind them.

[Chalupa Batman]

Here's mine:

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sac State Hornets
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Incarnate Word Cardinals
7: Holy Cross Crusaders
8: William & Mary Tribe
9: Samford Bulldogs
10: Idaho Vandals
11: Furman Paladins
12: Chattanooga Mocs
13: Montana Grizzlies
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Mercer Bears
16: Jackson State Tigers
17: Elon Phoenix
18: Fordham Rams
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
21: Rhode Island Rams
22: Princeton Tigers
23: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
24: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
25: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks

The Most Significant Win: Furman Paladins
The Most Significant Loss: Idaho Vandals
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Chalupa Batman]

Somebody put up the FUBear bat signal!


Anyway, for me it's that's they're just destroying teams mainly. But they also haven't had much of a chance to get those good wins yet either. Everyone knew that would lose to Auburn and they failed their only other big test so far in their game at Chattanooga. Other than that they've pretty much been trucking everyone. They've got some good tests to close it out with Furman and Samford so they'll get their chance to prove they're deserving of where they're at but there's other teams ranked up there like Jackson St, Montana, and NDSU to varying extents that also don't have any "good wins".



Yeah, that's definitely possible. Richmond and Furman have been two teams I've been lower on than the consensus all year. Appears I was wrong about Furman and I could be wrong about Richmond too.

Montana's been mostly trucking all the non-ranked teams they've played too. The Griz have played more ranked teams thus far than the Bears but otherwise their resumes are very similar.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Since some of us have been in the Tennessee-Martin-ragging mode for a while now, I was just wondering about Richmond's resume. Is St. Francis really their best win, and yet, they have been near the top of the CAA cluster and are now the best behind only William & Mary? When voting this week, I had to do a double-take at this bland resume for Richmond. Of course they get to prove it to end the season, but for the voting this season (all weeks prior), just don't understand how they have been spared the "haven't beaten anybody" mantra to this point. Somebody please help me.

[Professor Chaos]

Montana's been mostly trucking all the non-ranked teams they've played too. The Griz have played more ranked teams thus far than the Bears but otherwise their resumes are very similar.
The difference is Mercer is still maintaining the benefit of the doubt since they've only played the one real good team. If Mercer loses to Furman and Samford I doubt they'll stay above a 3 or 4 loss Griz team.

[Chalupa Batman]

Since some of us have been in the Tennessee-Martin-ragging mode for a while now, I was just wondering about Richmond's resume. Is St. Francis really their best win, and yet, they have been near the top of the CAA cluster and are now the best behind only William & Mary? When voting this week, I had to do a double-take at this bland resume for Richmond. Of course they get to prove it to end the season, but for the voting this season (all weeks prior), just don't understand how they have been spared the "haven't beaten anybody" mantra to this point. Somebody please help me.

I took a long hard look at them too, which is why they don't even appear in my poll this week.

[FUGameBreaker]

Furman is the only league school with wins over two FCS ranked teams this season, followed by Samford and Chattanooga (one each) and Mercer (none). The Paladins' triumph over Chattanooga represented the highest ranked regular foe defeated by a league school in five seasons.

One of Furman's two losses this year was a 35-12 decision to FBS fifth-ranked Clemson on Sept. 10. Only two other FCS programs have faced Top 10 FBS opposition this fall.

[FUGameBreaker]

Clemson 35 Furman 12

Georgia 33 Samford 0

Tennessee 65 UT Martin 24


Furman actually outgained Clemson 384-376

[FUGameBreaker]

FU vs. Samford ref debacle at 37:03
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnBB-mjQM5M&t=37m03s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnBB-mjQM5M&t=37m03s

[NY Crusader 2010]

Can someone explain why Mercer is so high? They have no good wins.

I think Gardner-Webb might end up being a pretty darn good win. And they blew them out 45-14.

[caribbeanhen]

I took a long hard look at them too, which is why they don't even appear in my poll this week.

Did you’re long and hard look include watching any Richmond games?

Not including them in your poll is certainly nothing to be flaunting

[KPSUL]

Haven't posted mine for a while so:

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sac State Hornets
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: William & Mary Tribe
7: Incarnate Word Cardinals
8: Samford Bulldogs
9: Holy Cross Crusaders
10: Chattanooga Mocs
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Jackson State Tigers
13: Elon Phoenix
14: Idaho Vandals
15: Richmond Spiders
16: Mercer Bears
17: Northern Iowa Panthers
18: Princeton Tigers
19: New Hampshire Wildcats
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: Furman Paladins
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
24: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
25: St. Thomas Tommies

[TribePride52]

UR, like UNH, besides Elon, are in similar boats. They’ve avoided William and Mary & healthy Delaware, so far. I feel people rank them because of a “play who’s on your schedule” thing. UR has played a lot of bad teams, but they’ve won all 6 of their games by 2 scores. This weekend is the biggest game in the CAA so far, imo. Will never root for the spiders, but I won’t be upset if they win that one.

[WrenFGun]

My point is that neither have the resume of teams from the CAA that have a legitimate win.

[caribbeanhen]

UR, like UNH, besides Elon, are in similar boats. They’ve avoided William and Mary & healthy Delaware, so far. I feel people rank them because of a “play who’s on your schedule” thing. UR has played a lot of bad teams, but they’ve won all 6 of their games by 2 scores. This weekend is the biggest game in the CAA so far, imo. Will never root for the spiders, but I won’t be upset if they win that one.

Richmond is every bit as good as William & Mary through my bias cleansed eyes ... Top 10 good

[TribePride52]

My point is that neither have the resume of teams from the CAA that have a legitimate win.
That’s fair. If you guys go down to UR and win pretty convincingly, that is a signature win, imo.

Elon is too up and down to get a read on them. We were up 18 on them before we turned it over on our own side 3 times. They got killed by UNH and couldn’t do a damn thing against URI, then they handily beat Delaware.

[Daytripper]

1: Sac State Hornets
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Incarnate Word Cardinals
7: Holy Cross Crusaders
8: William & Mary Tribe
9: Idaho Vandals
10: Furman Paladins
11: Mercer Bears
12: Chattanooga Mocs
13: Montana Grizzlies
14: Fordham Rams
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: Elon Phoenix
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: Richmond Spiders
19: New Hampshire Wildcats
20: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
21: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
22: Jackson State Tigers
23: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
24: Rhode Island Rams
25: Princeton Tigers

[Preferred Walk-On]

Richmond is every bit as good as William & Mary through my bias cleansed eyes ... Top 10 good

I do not doubt you. I am merely saying that the same argument about this or that team not beating anyone should apply to Richmond. If not, then those that use this argument, then still rank the s*** out of Richmond need to stop with that argument. That is all I am saying. The eye test is one thing, but let's face it, nobody can watch every game. The CAA has a bit of a problem, because there probably are not as many eyes on them as there should be. But to the outside observer, their schedule (and wins) are not any more impressive than many others that people question should be in the top 20, let alone ranked...at this point. We'll see in three weeks.

[SpreadTheWord]

Here's my poll...

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Sac State Hornets
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Incarnate Word Cardinals
7: Samford Bulldogs
8: Idaho Vandals
9: Furman Paladins
10: William & Mary Tribe
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Chattanooga Mocs
13: Holy Cross Crusaders
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Mercer Bears
16: Jackson State Tigers
17: Elon Phoenix
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
22: Princeton Tigers
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
25: Fordham Rams

SpreadTheWord

The Most Significant Win: Furman Paladins
The Most Significant Loss: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Southland Conference

[SCPALADIN]

Haven't posted one of my polls in a really long time....critique away.

Hello SCPALADIN,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/31/2022 7:03:54

Your vote is listed below.


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sac State Hornets
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Incarnate Word Cardinals
7: Holy Cross Crusaders
8: William & Mary Tribe
9: Samford Bulldogs
10: Montana Grizzlies
11: Furman Paladins
12: Mercer Bears
13: Idaho Vandals
14: Richmond Spiders
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: Jackson State Tigers
17: Elon Phoenix
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: New Hampshire Wildcats
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
22: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
23: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
24: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
25: Fordham Rams

SCPALADIN

The Most Significant Win: Furman Paladins
The Most Significant Loss: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

[KPSUL]

Thank you to whomever gave NCCU a point. You are a good American.

I was very impressed with NCCU when they beat UNH in NH. If two of your wins were not Div 2, and if you had beaten SC State you would be solidly in the top 25. The wins vs UNH and NC A&T are looking very good now, but not enough to overcome the lack of Div 1 games and the loss to SC State. Campbell is a surprisingly very good team this season so I don't think that hurts the cause very much. Honestly, I've been pulling for you guys since the UNH game. Tre Oliver and his staff put together a great game plan against us, and your offensive execution was near perfect. Looking forward to traveling to the NC Durham for the return game - unfortunately not until 2025.

What are the chances of NCCU making it to the Celebration bowl?

[KPSUL]

That’s fair. If you guys go down to UR and win pretty convincingly, that is a signature win, imo.

Elon is too up and down to get a read on them. We were up 18 on them before we turned it over on our own side 3 times. They got killed by UNH and couldn’t do a damn thing against URI, then they handily beat Delaware.

I'll be at Robbins Stadium and if UNH wins by 1 point, regardless of how, I'll be ecstatic.

[nodak651]

20 Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks 306
21 North Dakota Fighting Hawks 230

Both teams 5-3
One common opponent vs Missouri State: UND won 48-31 and UTM lost 30-35
UTM's best win is vs Massey #58 Lindenwood
All of UND's games were played vs Massey 46 or better with wins vs Massey #19, #28, #31, #43, #46
UND three wins vs teams with winning records - UTM one win vs teams with winning records

[ncspiderfan]

That’s fair. If you guys go down to UR and win pretty convincingly, that is a signature win, imo.

Elon is too up and down to get a read on them. We were up 18 on them before we turned it over on our own side 3 times. They got killed by UNH and couldn’t do a damn thing against URI, then they handily beat Delaware.

Just checked really quick and I could have missed one, but Delaware and Elon have the only away conference wins of any of the CAA teams with 2 or less conference loses. Does that mean anything? IDK, but in the last three weeks a road win while many top six to eight teams start to play each other could be huge in shaping playoff berths.

[UNH_Alum_In_CT]

Just checked really quick and I could have missed one, but Delaware and Elon have the only away conference wins of any of the CAA teams with 2 or less conference loses. Does that mean anything? IDK, but in the last three weeks a road win while many top six to eight teams start to play each other could be huge in shaping playoff berths.

UNH has two CAA road wins, Albany and Towson.

[TribePride52]

Just checked really quick and I could have missed one, but Delaware and Elon have the only away conference wins of any of the CAA teams with 2 or less conference loses. Does that mean anything? IDK, but in the last three weeks a road win while many top six to eight teams start to play each other could be huge in shaping playoff berths.
Sometimes that’s just the way the schedule shakes out. W&M got a really favorable schedule this season with having all of the ranked teams (at the start of the season) at home. The only true road test(?) we’ve had so far is FBS Charlotte, and they were so bad under Healy that they probably wouldn’t crack the FCS top 25. Granted, that is still an FBS win, a dominating one at that, and we know how much the committee likes those.

[TribePride52]

I'll be at Robbins Stadium and if UNH wins by 1 point, regardless of how, I'll be ecstatic.
I don’t blame you one bit. Wins are wins, but there are people in here who aren’t particularly sold on UR, so I think a convincing win could prop you guys up a lot, and put a stab in UR’s playoff hopes, especially with YD & W&M coming up.

[ncspiderfan]

UNH has two CAA road wins, Albany and Towson.

Sorry to confuse, I meant when the teams with 2 or less losses were playing each other. Should have been clearer in explanation.

[Chalupa Batman]

Furman is the only league school with wins over two FCS ranked teams this season, followed by Samford and Chattanooga (one each) and Mercer (none). The Paladins' triumph over Chattanooga represented the highest ranked regular foe defeated by a league school in five seasons.

One of Furman's two losses this year was a 35-12 decision to FBS fifth-ranked Clemson on Sept. 10. Only two other FCS programs have faced Top 10 FBS opposition this fall.

I'm assuming you're including Furman's win over currently 3-6 ETSU as one of your ranked wins, then you have to include Samford's season opening win over Kennesaw State as a 2nd ranked win for them also. Both teams & Chattanooga have 1 win each currently ranked in the top 25.

[Chalupa Batman]

Did you’re long and hard look include watching any Richmond games?

Not including them in your poll is certainly nothing to be flaunting

No, like the rest of the CAA I am unable to watch their games.

None of their results are overly impressive thus far, they haven't been consistently blowing teams out. It was between them, North Dakota, UT Martin, & SEMO for the last couple spots in my poll, they just missed the cut.

[mvemjsunpx]

Previous week in parentheses.


1. South Dakota St. (1)
2. Sacramento St. (2)
3. Montana St. (3)
4. William & Mary (4)
5. Incarnate Word (5)
6. Holy Cross (6)
7. Weber St. (8)
8. North Dakota St. (13)
9. Elon (17)
10. Delaware (10)
11. Jackson St. (12)
12. Idaho (11)
13. Southeast Missouri St. (9)
14. Samford (21)
15. North Dakota (23)
16. Furman (NR)
17. Tennessee-Chattanooga (7)
18. Mercer (19)
19. Northern Iowa (NR)
20. Richmond (18)
21. Southern Illinois (16)
22. Southeastern Louisiana (15)
23. Princeton (25)
24. Rhode Island (14)
25. Illinois St. (22)

Dropped - Montana (20), Penn (24)


W - Elon
L - Tennessee-Chattanooga

[crusader11]

Previous week in parentheses.


1. South Dakota St. (1)
2. Sacramento St. (2)
3. Montana St. (3)
4. William & Mary (4)
5. Incarnate Word (5)
6. Holy Cross (6)
7. Weber St. (8)
8. North Dakota St. (13)
9. Elon (17)
10. Delaware (10)
11. Jackson St. (12)
12. Idaho (11)
13. Southeast Missouri St. (9)
14. Samford (21)
15. North Dakota (23)
16. Furman (NR)
17. Tennessee-Chattanooga (7)
18. Mercer (19)
19. Northern Iowa (NR)
20. Richmond (18)
21. Southern Illinois (16)
22. Southeastern Louisiana (15)
23. Princeton (25)
24. Rhode Island (14)
25. Illinois St. (22)

Dropped - Montana (20), Penn (24)


W - Elon
L - Tennessee-Chattanooga

Surprised you have W&M, Elon, and Delaware so high, while UNH isn't ranked.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Have really been slacking posting these this year, so here is my Week 9 poll.

----------

Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/30/2022 18:26:19

Your vote is listed below.

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sac State Hornets
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Idaho Vandals
7: Incarnate Word Cardinals
8: Holy Cross Crusaders
9: Samford Bulldogs
10: William & Mary Tribe
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Furman Paladins
13: Chattanooga Mocs
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Mercer Bears
16: Rhode Island Rams
17: Elon Phoenix
18: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
19: Fordham Rams
20: Jackson State Tigers
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: Richmond Spiders
23: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: Eastern Kentucky Colonels

Preferred Walk-On

The Most Significant Win: Furman Paladins
The Most Significant Loss: Southern Illinois Salukis
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[caribbeanhen]

No, like the rest of the CAA I am unable to watch their games.

None of their results are overly impressive thus far, they haven't been consistently blowing teams out. It was between them, North Dakota, UT Martin, & SEMO for the last couple spots in my poll, they just missed the cut.

No, you made a choice not to watch CAA games. Flo is available if you really wanted it, but it’s obvious your mind is made up. Basically you’re saying I have no interest in watching CAA games because I don’t have time to watch every game and I don’t want to pay for the product, therefore, Richmond and other CAA teams are only as good as I say but I haven’t really seen them.

you can go on YouTube and watch a lot of plays from games, that’s what I try to do. I’ll tell you a secret, I haven’t watched hardly any Valley games this year and I’m sure my poll is a mess in spots ...

[Preferred Walk-On]

20 Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks 306
21 North Dakota Fighting Hawks 230

Both teams 5-3
One common opponent vs Missouri State: UND won 48-31 and UTM lost 30-35
UTM's best win is vs Massey #58 Lindenwood
All of UND's games were played vs Massey 46 or better with wins vs Massey #19, #28, #31, #43, #46
UND three wins vs teams with winning records - UTM one win vs teams with winning records

This is a good point, and I will admit that I do have them separated by 5 spots with UTM favored over UND (but I will also admit that I need to rethink this a bit after this weekend). I will say that the Abilene Christian result appeared a little underwhelming and contributed a bit to my not moving UND higher.

[Preferred Walk-On]

No, you made a choice not to watch CAA games. Flo is available if you really wanted it, but it’s obvious your mind is made up. Basically you’re saying I have no interest in watching CAA games because I don’t have time to watch every game and I don’t want to pay for the product, therefore, Richmond and other CAA teams are only as good as I say but I haven’t really seen them.

you can go on YouTube and watch a lot of plays from games, that’s what I try to do. I’ll tell you a secret, I haven’t watched hardly any Valley games this year and I’m sure my poll is a mess in spots ...

I made that choice as well. ESPN+ is $9.99/mo and I can watch many, many FCS games (as well as hockey, basketball, and even a Sunday morning NFL game from London). FloSports is $19.99/mo, so that I can watch CAA football, exclusively. Economics, my friend. I am not sure if you heard about inflation, gas prices, etc. Unfortunately, the limited service for that price is just not where I choose to spend my limited dollars.

That said, I do appreciate you pointing out YouTube highlights. In fact, much like FUBeAR is stumping for the SoCon through game comparisons and BS power rankings, perhaps you could just put a couple of links in the How They Fared (maybe) thread to the YouTube videos to make it easy for the non-CAA watching world to take a look at what you are seeing. After all, we need all the help we can get. ;)

[caribbeanhen]

Have really been slacking posting these this year, so here is my Week 9 poll.

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Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/30/2022 18:26:19

Your vote is listed below.

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sac State Hornets
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Idaho Vandals
7: Incarnate Word Cardinals
8: Holy Cross Crusaders
9: Samford Bulldogs
10: William & Mary Tribe
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Furman Paladins
13: Chattanooga Mocs
14: New Hampshire Wildcats
15: Mercer Bears
16: Rhode Island Rams
17: Elon Phoenix
18: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
19: Fordham Rams
20: Jackson State Tigers
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: Richmond Spiders
23: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
24: Northern Iowa Panthers
25: Eastern Kentucky Colonels

Preferred Walk-On

The Most Significant Win: Furman Paladins
The Most Significant Loss: Southern Illinois Salukis
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Said it last week. A day late and a dollar short. Rhode put up a good fight down in Williamsburg. Down 7 They drove 98 yards in final 2 minutes and scored a TD as time expired. They went for 2 and the win but couldn’t convert. I guess that thrilling 7 OT win the previous week over Monmouth had something to do with that gutsy decision.

record falls to 5-3

[FUBeAR]

Have really been slacking posting these this year, so here is my Week 9 poll.

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Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 10/30/2022 18:26:19

Your vote is listed below.

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sac State Hornets
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Idaho Vandals
7: Incarnate Word Cardinals
8: Holy Cross Crusaders

9: Samford Bulldogs
12: Furman Paladins
13: Chattanooga Mocs
15: Mercer Bears
“Sure, darlin’ we could go always up to the Preferred Walk-On Suite and discuss a ‘promotion’ into the Top 8 if you’re ready to commit to your future.”

[Chalupa Batman]

No, you made a choice not to watch CAA games. Flo is available if you really wanted it, but it’s obvious your mind is made up. Basically you’re saying I have no interest in watching CAA games because I don’t have time to watch every game and I don’t want to pay for the product, therefore, Richmond and other CAA teams are only as good as I say but I haven’t really seen them.

you can go on YouTube and watch a lot of plays from games, that’s what I try to do. I’ll tell you a secret, I haven’t watched hardly any Valley games this year and I’m sure my poll is a mess in spots ...

Yes I made a choice not to pay for Flo Sports when I'm already paying for ESPN+, and I doubt I'm the only one. Doesn't mean I don't try and pay attention. You're about the only one I've seen hyping up Richmond, every other poster from the CAA seems to be "meh" about them, they're solid but not great. You may very well end up being right about them all along, we'll find out in the next three weeks. If they win the next three weeks they'll be shooting up my rankings very quickly.

[KPSUL]

I can see why someone would not buy a FLO subscription @ 19.99 (I think it is 12.99 if you go through a CAA teams website) if the team they follow does not play in the conference. Even using my lower figure it's $39 for the 3 months of the regular season. And if your not "in" the CAA, you'd use the FLO subscription relatively infrequently and probably not worth the price.

This regular season I'll travel to games 9 out of 12 Fall weekends - many by commercial airlines, others requiring 4+ hours drives. There will be only two Saturdays all season when I watch CAA football games live on FLO. I do have a subscription, but it is too pricy for what I get out of it. I wish they'd produce the 60 minute versions the gives you only play to play action - most the games I watch are replays and I try my best to fast forward through all the dead ball time.

[caribbeanhen]

I made that choice as well. ESPN+ is $9.99/mo and I can watch many, many FCS games (as well as hockey, basketball, and even a Sunday morning NFL game from London). FloSports is $19.99/mo, so that I can watch CAA football, exclusively. Economics, my friend. I am not sure if you heard about inflation, gas prices, etc. Unfortunately, the limited service for that price is just not where I choose to spend my limited dollars.

That said, I do appreciate you pointing out YouTube highlights. In fact, much like FUBeAR is stumping for the SoCon through game comparisons and BS power rankings, perhaps you could just put a couple of links in the How They Fared (maybe) thread to the YouTube videos to make it easy for the non-CAA watching world to take a look at what you are seeing. After all, we need all the help we can get. ;)

I get it, but sometimes it’s fun to come across like a salty righteous old SOB ... now get off my lawn 😂

Flosports was 12.99 a month through the CAA website. I’ll be canceling it before Thanksgiving...I don’t think playoff games will be on Flo

Forgot to cancel my ESPN + after last season

don’t have cable anymore, only internet in 2 different localities

I don’t even have a computer, I live in the iPhone but never the Meta. I use firestick / Roku and watch YouTube games all the time on a big TV screen ... of course the real game is over but makes no difference

Sure I could post links but in the end, I’m not that worried about it. The games will sort it out for the most part.

[Preferred Walk-On]

“Sure, darlin’ we could go always up to the Preferred Walk-On Suite and discuss a ‘promotion’ into the Top 8 if you’re ready to commit to your future.”

Ooh, ooh, now do the other 48 voters.

While I can appreciate your “bias”, can you tell me why my “bias” is incorrect? I can’t obviously tell you yours isn’t correct, but I can tell you that generally speaking, yours is not the consensus (AGS or otherwise).

“What is the piece of information, the missing link, that can only be found in FUBeAR’s suite, darlin’?”


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[mvemjsunpx]

Surprised you have W&M, Elon, and Delaware so high, while UNH isn't ranked.

For the CAA: W&M, Elon, and Delaware have played noticeably tougher schedules than New Hampshire (or Richmond, for that matter). UNH did beat Elon, but the rest of their resume is filled with bad & suspect performances (lopsided loss to NC Central, blowout loss to a bad FBS, close wins over Albany & Stony Brook). UNH's 5-0 start is mostly because they've only played 1 other CAA team with a winning conference record. Delaware has 2 good wins (Navy, URI convincingly), William & Mary has 3 good wins (Charlotte convincingly, Delaware, URI) and no suspect losses, and Elon has 3 good wins (Delaware convincingly, W&M, Richmond).

I didn't expect Delaware to stay at #10 when I was first putting my ballot together, but a lot of the teams I had ranked around them or below them also lost (or had a bad win like SELU).

[caribbeanhen]

Yes I made a choice not to pay for Flo Sports when I'm already paying for ESPN+, and I doubt I'm the only one. Doesn't mean I don't try and pay attention. You're about the only one I've seen hyping up Richmond, every other poster from the CAA seems to be "meh" about them, they're solid but not great. You may very well end up being right about them all along, we'll find out in the next three weeks. If they win the next three weeks they'll be shooting up my rankings very quickly.

You don’t have them ranked so I wouldn’t try that you’re the only one argument

[AggiePride]

Surprised, but the Aggies will be back on your lists soon enough. Toughest schedule in the nation and some tight losses in a withering start to the season. Offense is getting going now. Not getting any easier but bring it on, Causeway will be fun.

[FUGameBreaker]

Originally Posted by FUGameBreaker https://www.anygivensaturday.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?p=3088223#post3088223)
Furman is the only league school with wins over two FCS ranked teams this season, followed by Samford and Chattanooga (one each) and Mercer (none). The Paladins' triumph over Chattanooga represented the highest ranked regular foe defeated by a league school in five seasons.

One of Furman's two losses this year was a 35-12 decision to FBS fifth-ranked Clemson on Sept. 10. Only two other FCS programs have faced Top 10 FBS opposition this fall.

I'm assuming you're including Furman's win over currently 3-6 ETSU as one of your ranked wins, then you have to include Samford's season opening win over Kennesaw State as a 2nd ranked win for them also. Both teams & Chattanooga have 1 win each currently ranked in the top 25.


What I posted is correct, you're overthinking it

The only ranked team Samford defeated at the time of the game was Kennesaw State, which is exactly what I have alluded to in my post


Lot of big SoCon games still remain, this will all be decided on the field

[FUBeAR]

Ooh, ooh, now do the other 48 voters.

While I can appreciate your “bias”, can you tell me why my “bias” is incorrect? I can’t obviously tell you yours isn’t correct, but I can tell you that generally speaking, yours is not the consensus (AGS or otherwise).

“What is the piece of information, the missing link, that can only be found in FUBeAR’s suite, darlin’?”
Just looking for the 1st AGS Poll voter who is going to be brave enough to include 2 SoCon Teams in the Top 8.

The ‘quality wins’ and ‘quality losses’ differences between any of 1 - 8 and where y’all have all 4 SoCon Teams ‘red-lined’ at 9-12 are mostly perception differences relying on circular logic to confirm pre-conceived subjective notions.


Will you be that brave champion of equality and SoCon Rights to help the under-represented break through the glass ceiling next week, or will it be Professor Chaos, or maybe POD?

[ElCid]

Originally Posted by FUGameBreaker https://www.anygivensaturday.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?p=3088223#post3088223)
Furman is the only league school with wins over two FCS ranked teams this season, followed by Samford and Chattanooga (one each) and Mercer (none). The Paladins' triumph over Chattanooga represented the highest ranked regular foe defeated by a league school in five seasons.

One of Furman's two losses this year was a 35-12 decision to FBS fifth-ranked Clemson on Sept. 10. Only two other FCS programs have faced Top 10 FBS opposition this fall.



What I posted is correct, you're overthinking it

The only ranked team Samford defeated at the time of the game was Kennesaw State, which is exactly what I have alluded to in my post


Lot of big SoCon games still remain, this will all be decided on the field

Huh?

Furman has one win over a currently ranked team (UTC). And another win over a then ranked team (ETSU).

Samford has one win over a currently ranked team (Furman). And another win over a then ranked team (KSU).

How is what you said correct? Samford has two, NOT one if you count ranked at the time of the game. Furman also has two if you count ranked at the time of the game, but ONLY one if you count currently ranked. You have to use the same rules and apply them to all teams equally.

Your Quote:
'Furman is the only league school with wins over two FCS ranked teams this season, followed by Samford and Chattanooga (one each) and Mercer (none)."

[FUBeAR]

Can someone explain why Mercer is so high? They have no good wins.
Well….let’s see…they’ve beaten everyone on their schedule so far except for an FBS P5 SEC Team and the #6 Team in FCS.

What they have NOT done, as New Hampshire has, is lose to a middling MEAC Team by 3 scores; a Team that was then blown out by 5 scores by a Big South Team. Oh…and that Big South Team, that is about 8 scores better than New Hampshire, trails in the Big South standings, behind a Team that Mercer beat by 5 scores.

So…best FUBeAR can figure is Mercer is about 13 scores better than New Hampshire…not sure the Bears would actually win by ~100 (too classy to run up the score), but since they’ve beaten most of their opponents by about 40, we can assume that spread…at least.

Not sure if that’s enough justification to have them “so high.” Do you have New Hampshire in your Top 80? If so, then, yeah, Mercer in the Top 12 easily makes sense.

[crusader11]

Well….let’s see…they’ve beaten everyone on their schedule so far except for an FBS P5 SEC Team and the #6 Team in FCS.

What they have NOT done, as New Hampshire has, is lose to a middling MEAC Team by 3 scores; a Team that was then blown out by 5 scores by a Big South Team. Oh…and that Big South Team, that is about 8 scores better than New Hampshire, trails in the Big South standings, a Team that Mercer beat by 5 scores.

So…best FUBeAR can figure is Mercer is about 13 scores better than New Hampshire…not sure the Bears would actually win by ~100 (too classy to run up the score), but since they’ve beaten most of their opponents by about 40, we can assume that spread…at least.

Not sure if that’s enough justification to have them “so high.” Do you have New Hampshire in your Top 80? If so, then, yeah, Mercer in the Top 12 easily makes sense.

Mercer hasn't beaten a team with a winning record and their best win has been against Gardner-Webb.

In their big conference test so far, they were doubled up by Chattanooga.

[FUBeAR]

Huh?

Furman has one win over a currently ranked team (UTC). And another win over a then ranked team (ETSU).

Samford has one win over a currently ranked team (Furman). And another win over a then ranked team (KSU).

How is what you said correct? Samford has two, NOT one if you count ranked at the time of the game. Furman also has two if you count ranked at the time of the game, but ONLY one if you count currently ranked. You have to use the same rules and apply them to all teams equally.

Your Quote:
'Furman is the only league school with wins over two FCS ranked teams this season, followed by Samford and Chattanooga (one each) and Mercer (none)."
This whole convo/argument/discussion is silly.

Chattanooga, Furman, Mercer, and Samford ALL should have been ranked in the Top 15 on everyones’ ballots all season long.

* Samford beat Furman without Furman having their starting QB and with a huge officiating snafu.
* Furman beat Chattanooga without Chattanooga having their starting RB and with a couple of interesting officiating situations.
* Chattanooga beat a Mercer Team without their Top 2 RB’s on a day that Mercer seemed to want to self-destruct before people were even in their seats.
* There are 3 games remaining (Furman @ Mercer, Mercer @ Samford, and Samford @ Chattanooga) between these 4 Top FCS Teams. Most likely, these 3 games will be thrilling contests between excellent Teams, and extenuating circumstances will have a significant effect on the outcomes.
* 1 or more of these 4 Teams will be SoCon Champs
* All 4 SHOULD BE in the Playoffs & at least 2 of them SHOULD BE seeded (FUBeAR knows they won’t be…don’t make it right though)

So…no need to nitpick around some odd statistic. 4 Teams ALL OUTSTANDING … and they have been / will be forced to beat each other up…and we should LOVE IT…and they should not be penalized for all being so good AND for being part of a conference where nobody skates by.

[crusader11]

A 7-4 Mercer team (should they lose to Samford and Furman to end the season), will miss the playoffs, and rightfully so. I think you would agree, no?

[FUBeAR]

A 7-4 Mercer team (should they lose to Samford and Furman to end the season), will miss the playoffs, and rightfully so. I think you would agree, no?
How many other 7-4 Teams do you have in your hypothetical field?
Do you have any 6-5 Teams in there?
How about 8-3 Teams, but 1 of those is a D2 win?

Point is, your question can’t and shouldn’t be answered at this time.

What FUBeAR will say is that he’s watched Mercer and many FCS Teams play this Season. Mercer is clearly a Top 15 Team, as is Furman, Chattanooga, and Samford. We can probably safely include Auburn in the FCS Top 15 as well, if they were FCS.

So…the question we should be asking now and can answer is…Should a Team that we KNOW is a Top 15 Team that has only lost (hypothetically, at this point) 4 games to other Top 15 Teams, with 3 of those being Away games, be strongly considered for an At-Large Playoff bid in a field of 24 Teams. The answer to that question is WITHOUT A DOUBT!

[crusader11]

Yeah, sorry, just disagree with you.

At some point you have to win a game, no matter how many "good losses" are on the resume.

Would be really interesting to see how the committee handles 7-4 teams like Mercer, Montaha, Idaho, Villanova, Rhode Island, et al.

Some are going to have to find their way in order to round out the field.

[FUBeAR]

Yeah, sorry, just disagree with you.
https://media.tenor.com/CkASCfIfaWIAAAAd/the-dude-yeah-well-you-know-thats-just-like-your-opinion-man.gif

…and if Mercer’s schedule was Ranked 80th in FCS, as is the schedule Holy Cross will have faced, instead of 25th, like Mercer’s, FUBeAR would consider agreeing with you…but then would realize that’s wrong.

[atthewbon]

How many other 7-4 Teams do you have in your hypothetical field?
Do you have any 6-5 Teams in there?
How about 8-3 Teams, but 1 of those is a D2 win?

Point is, your question can’t and shouldn’t be answered at this time.

What FUBeAR will say is that he’s watched Mercer and many FCS Teams play this Season. Mercer is clearly a Top 15 Team, as is Furman, Chattanooga, and Samford. We can probably safely include Auburn in the FCS Top 15 as well, if they were FCS.

So…the question we should be asking now and can answer is…Should a Team that we KNOW is a Top 15 Team that has only lost (hypothetically, at this point) 4 games to other Top 15 Teams, with 3 of those being Away games, be strongly considered for an At-Large Playoff bid in a field of 24 Teams. The answer to that question is WITHOUT A DOUBT!

Hypothetically speaking who is better positioned to get in?

7-4 Mercer
Best Wins: Gardner Webb, ETSU
Losses: Auburn, Chattanooga, Furman, Samford

7-4 Illinois St
Best Wins: Youngstown St and UNI
Losses: Wisconsin, NDSU, SDSU, SIU

I personally expect Mercer to win one of their final games and this becomes a non issue. But if it ends up looking something like this I think Illinois St gets the nod.

[FUBeAR]

Hypothetically speaking who is better positioned to get in?

7-4 Mercer
Best Wins: Gardner Webb, ETSU
Losses: Auburn, Chattanooga, Furman, Samford

7-4 Illinois St
Best Wins: Youngstown St and UNI
Losses: Wisconsin, NDSU, SDSU, SIU

I personally expect Mercer to win one of their final games and this becomes a non issue. But if it ends up looking something like this I think Illinois St gets the nod.Nice comparison.

FUBeAR would look at that and call it about a draw.

The Playoff Selection Committee will put in a MEAC, a SWAC, and 2 6-5 Southland Teams before kicking Mercer to the curb with some BS line about ‘not doing enough.’

…and they will give Illinois State the #7 Seed.

[Professor Chaos]

This whole convo/argument/discussion is silly.

Chattanooga, Furman, Mercer, and Samford ALL should have been ranked in the Top 15 on everyones’ ballots all season long.

* Samford beat Furman without Furman having their starting QB and with a huge officiating snafu.
* Furman beat Chattanooga without Chattanooga having their starting RB and with a couple of interesting officiating situations.
* Chattanooga beat a Mercer Team without their Top 2 RB’s on a day that Mercer seemed to want to self-destruct before people were even in their seats.
* There are 3 games remaining (Furman @ Mercer, Mercer @ Samford, and Samford @ Chattanooga) between these 4 Top FCS Teams. Most likely, these 3 games will be thrilling contests between excellent Teams, and extenuating circumstances will have a significant effect on the outcomes.
* 1 or more of these 4 Teams will be SoCon Champs
* All 4 SHOULD BE in the Playoffs & at least 2 of them SHOULD BE seeded (FUBeAR knows they won’t be…don’t make it right though)

So…no need to nitpick around some odd statistic. 4 Teams ALL OUTSTANDING … and they have been / will be forced to beat each other up…and we should LOVE IT…and they should not be penalized for all being so good AND for being part of a conference where nobody skates by.
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.-KttDmuyB84pzo5XPHubewHaE8?pid=ImgDet&rs=1

Did I do the FUBear thing right??? Because it sounds to me like you're making the argument that Team A is good because they beat Team B and Team B is good because they only lost to Team A argument that you gave "pretzelfied" replies to in various threads with over the last few weeks when others made the same argument for non-SOCON teams.

[FUBeAR]

https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.-KttDmuyB84pzo5XPHubewHaE8?pid=ImgDet&rs=1

Did I do the FUBear thing right??? Because it sounds to me like you're making the argument that Team A is good because they beat Team B and Team B is good because they only lost to Team A argument that you gave "pretzelfied" replies to in various threads with over the last few weeks when others made the same argument for non-SOCON teams.
Nah…you missed it. This would have been the correct pic to post as response to that FUBeAR post…

https://media.tenor.com/AjQNnWtdxMsAAAAd/rodney-king-get-along.gif

Keep playing though. You’ll up your game to FUBeAR level soon enough.

[crusader11]

https://media.tenor.com/CkASCfIfaWIAAAAd/the-dude-yeah-well-you-know-thats-just-like-your-opinion-man.gif

…and if Mercer’s schedule was Ranked 80th in FCS, as is the schedule Holy Cross will have faced, instead of 25th, like Mercer’s, FUBeAR would consider agreeing with you…but then would realize that’s wrong.

Holy Cross has done two things Mercer has not done: 1) FBS win, 2) FCS top 25 win

[ElCid]

This whole convo/argument/discussion is silly.

Chattanooga, Furman, Mercer, and Samford ALL should have been ranked in the Top 15 on everyones’ ballots all season long.

* Samford beat Furman without Furman having their starting QB and with a huge officiating snafu.
* Furman beat Chattanooga without Chattanooga having their starting RB and with a couple of interesting officiating situations.
* Chattanooga beat a Mercer Team without their Top 2 RB’s on a day that Mercer seemed to want to self-destruct before people were even in their seats.
* There are 3 games remaining (Furman @ Mercer, Mercer @ Samford, and Samford @ Chattanooga) between these 4 Top FCS Teams. Most likely, these 3 games will be thrilling contests between excellent Teams, and extenuating circumstances will have a significant effect on the outcomes.
* 1 or more of these 4 Teams will be SoCon Champs
* All 4 SHOULD BE in the Playoffs & at least 2 of them SHOULD BE seeded (FUBeAR knows they won’t be…don’t make it right though)

So…no need to nitpick around some odd statistic. 4 Teams ALL OUTSTANDING … and they have been / will be forced to beat each other up…and we should LOVE IT…and they should not be penalized for all being so good AND for being part of a conference where nobody skates by.

You could have just said ElCid was correct and FUGameBreaker was indeed in error and saved yourself a lot of typing.

[FUBeAR]

Holy Cross has done two things Mercer has not done
Don’t sell your Crusaders short. They’ve done at least one more thing that Mercer hasn’t done.

Mercer hasn’t had to come from behind in the final minutes to avoid losing to a 2-6 Team that is ranked in the bottom quartile of all of FCS.

Nope, Mercer has beat 2 Teams in that quartile by an average of 45 points, playing deep reserves for most of the 2nd half of both games, y’know, how Teams that should be highly-ranked should beat those kinds of Teams.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Hypothetically speaking who is better positioned to get in?

7-4 Mercer
Best Wins: Gardner Webb, ETSU
Losses: Auburn, Chattanooga, Furman, Samford

7-4 Illinois St
Best Wins: Youngstown St and UNI
Losses: Wisconsin, NDSU, SDSU, SIU

I personally expect Mercer to win one of their final games and this becomes a non issue. But if it ends up looking something like this I think Illinois St gets the nod.

I think Mercer would get in in this situation...at this point. None of the Bears losses would appear that bad, and I think SIU is losing its shine. However, if SIU beats NDSU and Youngstown State, their shine may be enough to go in the other direction. It might also depend on how many MVFC teams are at-large. If there are already three MVFC at-large teams (hypothetical example), this could shift the pendulum the SoCon's way. Should this really be the way the selection committee thinks? No. However, neither team is really distinguishable from one another in the scenario above.

[FUGameBreaker]

Huh?

Furman has one win over a currently ranked team (UTC). And another win over a then ranked team (ETSU).

Samford has one win over a currently ranked team (Furman). And another win over a then ranked team (KSU).

How is what you said correct? Samford has two, NOT one if you count ranked at the time of the game. Furman also has two if you count ranked at the time of the game, but ONLY one if you count currently ranked. You have to use the same rules and apply them to all teams equally.

Your Quote:
'Furman is the only league school with wins over two FCS ranked teams this season, followed by Samford and Chattanooga (one each) and Mercer (none)."



Furman is the only SoCon team this year to defeat 2 ranked opponents at game time, ETSU and UTC were both highly ranked when Furman beat them

No other SoCon team has defeated 2 ranked opponents at game time

Samford has 1, KSU, they have not beaten anyone else on gameday that was ranked

Pretty dang simple really

[FUGameBreaker]

You could have just said ElCid was correct and FUGameBreaker was indeed in error and saved yourself a lot of typing.


Except that would be false

[WrenFGun]

I think there is some real odd CAA viewing in this thread. I'm seeing Mercer get lofted up here, so lets look at who they've beaten:

Morehead State, Citadel, Gardner-Webb, Wofford, Western Carolina, ETSU, VMI. With the exception of Gardner-Webb, those teams suck. Most teams would beat those teams by double-digits in the top 25. Should we crap on UNH for beating Stony Brook by 10 but ignore that Mercer only put 17 on the Citadel? Again, the BEST win Mercer has is 4-4 Gardner Webb, who might be a playoff team if they beat NC A&T.

Meanwhile, Elon is 6-3. They have wins over 6-2 Delaware, 7-1 William and Mary and 6-2 Richmond. They lost to Vanderbilt by 11 points.

On what planet is Mercer's resume better than Elon's? On what planet is it better than Delaware's, who has wins over Rhode Island and FBS Navy? Or Richmond, who has wins over Villanova and Playoff Bound St. Francis?

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Voters need to do a better job here. Beating bad teams by a lot doesn't and shouldn't have the value of beating quality teams, sometimes in multiple.

[Tribal]

I think there is some real odd CAA viewing in this thread. I'm seeing Mercer get lofted up here, so lets look at who they've beaten:

Morehead State, Citadel, Gardner-Webb, Wofford, Western Carolina, ETSU, VMI. With the exception of Gardner-Webb, those teams suck. Most teams would beat those teams by double-digits in the top 25. Should we crap on UNH for beating Stony Brook by 10 but ignore that Mercer only put 17 on the Citadel? Again, the BEST win Mercer has is 4-4 Gardner Webb, who might be a playoff team if they beat NC A&T.

Meanwhile, Elon is 6-3. They have wins over 6-2 Delaware, 7-1 William and Mary and 6-2 Richmond. They lost to Vanderbilt by 11 points.

On what planet is Mercer's resume better than Elon's? On what planet is it better than Delaware's, who has wins over Rhode Island and FBS Navy? Or Richmond, who has wins over Villanova and Playoff Bound St. Francis?

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Voters need to do a better job here. Beating bad teams by a lot doesn't and shouldn't have the value of beating quality teams, sometimes in multiple.

Mercer has a stronger resume only in Rainbowland. Rainbowland is the only town on planet Macon.

[Chalupa Batman]

Furman is the only SoCon team this year to defeat 2 ranked opponents at game time, ETSU and UTC were both highly ranked when Furman beat them

No other SoCon team has defeated 2 ranked opponents at game time

Samford has 1, KSU, they have not beaten anyone else on gameday that was ranked

Pretty dang simple really

It’s really simple guys. Furman beat 2 teams that were ranked AT THE TIME, so Furman is really really good. But Furman wasn’t ranked at the time Samford beat them, so that isn’t considered a good win for the Bulldogs.


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[ElCid]

Furman is the only SoCon team this year to defeat 2 ranked opponents at game time, ETSU and UTC were both highly ranked when Furman beat them

No other SoCon team has defeated 2 ranked opponents at game time

Samford has 1, KSU, they have not beaten anyone else on gameday that was ranked

Pretty dang simple really

LOL. Furman is ranked currently. That's what actually matters when it comes to sorting the at larges. Samford gets credit. Lots of teams were not ranked early on, but now are, so if anyone did beat them early on they get credit. But I'll admit I actually thought they were ranked at game time since they've been in my top 25 all year. You can thank me later.

[ElCid]

It’s really simple guys. Furman beat 2 teams that were ranked AT THE TIME, so Furman is really really good. But Furman wasn’t ranked at the time Samford beat them, so that isn’t considered a good win for the Bulldogs.


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You nailed it big guy.

[FUBeAR]

Citadel, Gardner-Webb, Wofford, Western Carolina, ETSU. With the exception of Gardner-Webb, those teams suck. Most teams would beat those teams by double-digits in the top 25.
When your premise clearly indicates severe cranial-anal impaction, your conclusion can only reside in the same neighborhood, which yours certainly does.

Perhaps, if you just focus on the information available at this link, you could, eventually, maybe, get some relief from this tragic affliction … https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/401420799

[caribbeanhen]

Since some of us have been in the Tennessee-Martin-ragging mode for a while now, I was just wondering about Richmond's resume. Is St. Francis really their best win, and yet, they have been near the top of the CAA cluster and are now the best behind only William & Mary? When voting this week, I had to do a double-take at this bland resume for Richmond. Of course they get to prove it to end the season, but for the voting this season (all weeks prior), just don't understand how they have been spared the "haven't beaten anybody" mantra to this point. Somebody please help me.

some CAA stats on bland Richmond

http://hosted.stats.com/cfb/leaders.asp?lg=98&cat=9

reception leaders
3 of top 4 are Spiders

WR Herres is coming on strong

Do you know the connection between Herres and QB Udenski?

Speaking of quarterbacks, the CAA has some really good ones right now
Not all of them are playing for the good teams (yet)

http://hosted.stats.com/cfb/leaders.asp?cat=9&lg=98

[WrenFGun]

When your premise clearly indicates severe cranial-anal impaction, your conclusion can only reside in the same neighborhood, which yours certainly does.

Perhaps, if you just focus on the information available at this link, you could, eventually, maybe, get some relief from this tragic affliction … https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/401420799

I've been following FCS for 20 years. time and time again -- quality wins overcome bad losses. Beating no one overcomes nothing.

[crusader11]

Again, Mercer needs to actually beat someone.

Beating poopy teams and failing to beat good teams won’t cut it.

Fortunately, Mercer has two opportunities to end the regular season to prove themselves and earn their way into the playoffs.

[nodak651]

I think there is some real odd CAA viewing in this thread. I'm seeing Mercer get lofted up here, so lets look at who they've beaten:

Morehead State, Citadel, Gardner-Webb, Wofford, Western Carolina, ETSU, VMI. With the exception of Gardner-Webb, those teams suck. Most teams would beat those teams by double-digits in the top 25. Should we crap on UNH for beating Stony Brook by 10 but ignore that Mercer only put 17 on the Citadel? Again, the BEST win Mercer has is 4-4 Gardner Webb, who might be a playoff team if they beat NC A&T.

Meanwhile, Elon is 6-3. They have wins over 6-2 Delaware, 7-1 William and Mary and 6-2 Richmond. They lost to Vanderbilt by 11 points.

On what planet is Mercer's resume better than Elon's? On what planet is it better than Delaware's, who has wins over Rhode Island and FBS Navy? Or Richmond, who has wins over Villanova and Playoff Bound St. Francis?

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Voters need to do a better job here. Beating bad teams by a lot doesn't and shouldn't have the value of beating quality teams, sometimes in multiple.

THIS! It's a lot harder to win when playing tough teams EVERY week. Less of a chance to rest starters and injuries are more likely to affect the outcome of the game. Whooping up on cream puffs mean jack.

If teams don't even have a top 40 win , they should schedule tougher games out of conference.

[Chalupa Batman]

LOL. Furman is ranked currently. That's what actually matters when it comes to sorting the at larges. Samford gets credit. Lots of teams were not ranked early on, but now are, so if anyone did beat them early on they get credit. But I'll admit I actually thought they were ranked at game time since they've been in my top 25 all year. You can thank me later.

I had thought Furman was ranked when they played Samford too. Went back and looked, the Paladins were ranked in the AGS poll when they played Samford but not the STATS or Coaches polls.

[KPSUL]

Huh?
Furman has one win over a currently ranked team (UTC). And another win over a then ranked team (ETSU).


So you want us to consider a team that is 3-6 with the 3 wins vs Div2 Mars Hill, Robert Morris(0-8) and VMI(1-7) a "ranked team"?

[ElCid]

So you want us to consider a team that is 3-6 with the 3 wins vs Div2 Mars Hill, Robert Morris(0-8) and VMI(1-7) a "ranked team"?

"If" you had been following the conversation, it dealt with wins over "now" ranked and "then" ranked teams as a simple data point, not justification for a playoff spot necessarily. I always thought wins over "then" ranked team, but who are now not even getting ORV, are worthless. Just preseason bias that is irrelevant to any discussions about worthy teams. Just like wins, be they regular season or playoff wins, in any prior season are irrelevant. But I keep hearing that mantra ad nauseam.

[FUGameBreaker]

It’s really simple guys. Furman beat 2 teams that were ranked AT THE TIME, so Furman is really really good. But Furman wasn’t ranked at the time Samford beat them, so that isn’t considered a good win for the Bulldogs.


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Those are your own words of course

[FUGameBreaker]

LOL. Furman is ranked currently. That's what actually matters when it comes to sorting the at larges. Samford gets credit. Lots of teams were not ranked early on, but now are, so if anyone did beat them early on they get credit. But I'll admit I actually thought they were ranked at game time since they've been in my top 25 all year. You can thank me later.


Ill give you credit for admitting you were wrong


Now its time to end this pointless discussion that only came about because I posted some facts, peace

[ElCid]

Ill give you credit for admitting you were wrong

Actually you were not very clear. The only metric that counts comes at the end of the season when people look at who is ranked and who beat those ranked teams, not who beat the teams who "were" ranked, but aren't any more. And NOBODY is going to ignore a win over a team ranked in the final regular season poll. I know you want to try to bury that Samford lose as deep as possible, but denigrating Furman to take away a Samford win over a ranked team seems to be counter productive. No?

[Chalupa Batman]

Those are your own words of course

That's obviously what you were going for in your original post by touting Furman as having the most ranked wins in the SoCon.

[ElCid]

That's obviously what you were going for in your original post by touting Furman as having the most ranked wins in the SoCon.

Yeah and I just went to verify and Furman was indeed ranked that week. #24, so Samford does in fact have 2 wins against either a then ranked and one current ranked.