AGS Poll Results - 2022 SEASON - Wk. 8

[AGSPoll]

10/24/2022 AGS Poll Results



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1213
39


2
Sac State Hornets
1166
10


3
Montana State Bobcats
1133



4
North Dakota State Bison
1061



5
Weber State Wildcats
977



6
Incarnate Word Cardinals
928



7
Chattanooga Mocs
915



8
Holy Cross Crusaders
896



9
William & Mary Tribe
817



10
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
750



11
Montana Grizzlies
731



12
Samford Bulldogs
656



13
Idaho Vandals
639



14
Mercer Bears
551



15
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
546



16
Jackson State Tigers
472



17
Richmond Spiders
391



18
Rhode Island Rams
298



19
New Hampshire Wildcats
280



20
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
266



21
Southern Illinois Salukis
234



22
Furman Paladins
212



23
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
177



24
Fordham Rams
169



25
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
163
















ORV:




26
Princeton Tigers
91



27
Elon Phoenix
60



28T
Austin Peay Governors
44



28T
Illinois State Redbirds
44



30T
Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
13



30T
Villanova Wildcats
13



32
Texas A&M-Commerce Lions
7



33
Pennsylvania Quakers
6



34
Campbell Fighting Camels
5



35
St. Thomas Tommies
1



36





37





38





39





40


















Most Significant Win:
Chattanooga Mocs/Sac State Hornets






Most Significant Loss:
Southern Illinois Salukis

[JSUSoutherner]

Did Jackson State move down a spot for beating Campbell? Lol

[Professor Chaos]

This week's top 25 article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-8-top-25-results-4/

A few thoughts:

I liked that the gap between Montana and Idaho shrunk considerably but still kind of surprised to see Montana hanging in above Idaho.
I'm an NDSU homer and there's no way I can justify putting them in front of Weber St - that's a miss in the consensus.
Idaho set a new all-time high in the AGS Poll at #13 this week.

[wapiti]

This week's top 25 article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-8-top-25-results-4/

A few thoughts:

I liked that the gap between Montana and Idaho shrunk considerably but still kind of surprised to see Montana hanging in above Idaho.
I'm an NDSU homer and there's no way I can justify putting them in front of Weber St - that's a miss in the consensus.
Idaho set a new all-time high in the AGS Poll at #13 this week.



Was there an AGS poll before Idaho went FBS? Idaho was a good FCS team before they jumped.

[Professor Chaos]

Did Jackson State move down a spot for beating Campbell? Lol
They actually picked up 8 points from last week despite there being two less voters overall - but SEMO picked up almost 90 so they hopped them.

I still say the fact that the Campbell game is the best barometer we'll have for JSU until the SWAC title game or Celebration Bowl is big problem when it comes to where to rank them.


Was there an AGS poll before Idaho went FBS? Idaho was a good FCS team before they jumped.
No - the AGS Poll started in 2004 and Idaho moved up in 1997 (I believe).

[KPSUL]

This week's top 25 article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-8-top-25-results-4/

A few thoughts:

I'm an NDSU homer and there's no way I can justify putting them in front of Weber St - that's a miss in the consensus.



Might be that you have a better long snapper?

[Professor Chaos]

Might be that you have better long snapper?
Haha - I think there are plenty of high school schools teams that could make the same claim right now. :)

[JSUSoutherner]

They actually picked up 8 points from last week despite there being two less voters overall - but SEMO picked up almost 90 so they hopped them.

I still say the fact that the Campbell game is the best barometer we'll have for JSU until the SWAC title game or Celebration Bowl is big problem when it comes to where to rank them.


No - the AGS Poll started in 2004 and Idaho moved up in 1997 (I believe).
Yeah, clearly that beat down of Northwestern State was impressive to a lot of voters.

[Professor Chaos]

My poll ballot this week:

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sac State Hornets
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Incarnate Word Cardinals
7: Chattanooga Mocs
8: William & Mary Tribe
9: Delaware Fightin Blue Hens
10: Idaho Vandals
11: Holy Cross Crusaders
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Mercer Bears
14: Jackson State Tigers
15: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
16: Samford Bulldogs
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: Rhode Island Rams
19: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
20: Southern Illinois Salukis
21: Elon Phoenix
22: Richmond Spiders
23: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
24: Fordham Rams
25: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

[atthewbon]

My ballot:

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Sac State Hornets
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Idaho Vandals
7: Chattanooga Mocs
8: Holy Cross Crusaders
9: Jackson State Tigers
10: William & Mary Tribe
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: Incarnate Word Cardinals
13: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
14: Montana Grizzlies
15: Mercer Bears
16: Samford Bulldogs
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Furman Paladins
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: Southern Illinois Salukis
22: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
23: Princeton Tigers
24: Fordham Rams
25: Elon Phoenix

[MTfan4life]

Did Jackson State move down a spot for beating Campbell? Lol

I don't think there'd be too many teams that should expect to move up for beating Campbell by 8 at home.

[JSUSoutherner]

I don't think there'd be too many teams that should expect to move up for beating Campbell by 8 at home.
But SEMO gained two spots for beating a horrendous NW State team?

[caribbeanhen]

But SEMO gained two spots for beating a horrendous NW State team?

Some Voters probably expected to see a little more from Jackson State, they are ranked in the top 10 in some polls

I think the D would keep them in games vs FCS top 10 though, to bad we’ll never get to see it

[POD Knows]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sac State Hornets
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Incarnate Word Cardinals
7: Chattanooga Mocs
8: Holy Cross Crusaders
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: William & Mary Tribe
11: Idaho Vandals
12: Mercer Bears
13: Montana Grizzlies
14: Jackson State Tigers
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
17: Richmond Spiders
18: Southern Illinois Salukis
19: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
20: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
21: New Hampshire Wildcats
22: Fordham Rams
23: Austin Peay Governors
24: Furman Paladins
25: Rhode Island Rams

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Chattanooga Mocs
The Most Significant Loss: Southern Illinois Salukis
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Catbooster]

My ballot (+/- showing my vote relative to AGS consensus):



1
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
-


2
Sacramento State Hornets
-


3
Montana State Bobcats
-


4
North Dakota State Bison
-


5
Weber State Wildcats
-


6
Holy Cross Crusaders
+2


7
Incarnate Word Cardinals
-1


8
Chattanooga Mocs
-1


9
Idaho Vandals
+4


10
William & Mary Tribe
-1


11
Montana Grizzlies
-


12
Delaware Fightin'Blue Hens
-2


13
Samford Bulldogs
-1


14
Mercer Bears
-


15
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
-


16
New Hampshire Wildcats
+3


17
Southern Illinois Salukis
+4


18
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
+5


19
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
+6


20
Jackson State Tigers
-4


21
Rhode Island Rams
-3


22
Elon Phoenix
+5


23
Furman Paladins
-1


24
Richmond Spiders
-7


25
Fordham Rams
-1



Comments -
I don't have Tenn-Martin in my 25, have Elon
MSU and Weber swapped rankings
Griz ended up moving up a rank as I worked through the results despite losing. I'm ok with that since they were really evenly matched with my #2 team.
Idaho cracked my top 10.
The CAA has me confused. Hopefully they begin to separate more.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Sac State Hornets
5: Holy Cross Crusaders
6: Chattanooga Mocs
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: William & Mary Tribe
9: Samford Bulldogs
10: Incarnate Word Cardinals
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Princeton Tigers
14: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
15: Mercer Bears
16: Jackson State Tigers
17: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
18: Rhode Island Rams
19: Idaho Vandals
20: Fordham Rams
21: Richmond Spiders
22: Furman Paladins
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Illinois State Redbirds
25: North Dakota Fighting Hawks

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: Chattanooga Mocs
The Most Significant Loss: Southern Illinois Salukis
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[FUBeAR]

Hey - looks like most of y’all were darn fair with the ‘hit’ you applied to Mercer for putting on a ShiiteShow AssistedSuicideStart while an excellent Chattanooga Team was playing Flawless Football. Good to see it.

Haven’t seen that Chalupa guy’s ballot yet though. He probably put Morehead State at #24, just so he could show Mercer behind them @ #25.

[Chalupa Batman]

Hey - looks like most of y’all were darn fair with the ‘hit’ you applied to Mercer for putting on a ShiiteShow AssistedSuicideStart while an excellent Chattanooga Team was playing Flawless Football. Good to see it.

Haven’t seen that Chalupa guy’s ballot yet though. He probably put Morehead State at #24, just so he could show Mercer behind them @ #25.

I didn't even consider Mercer in my poll. I'm guessing you think that's a mistake?

[lucchesicourt]

And UC Davis lost to your #1 team by 2 points,#2 team by 17, #7 by 5, team and California by 17( I believe )Now, how many teams would have faired much better. I am not complaingabout now being ranked in the top 25, but are there really 39 teams better? Just curious as to why the poles don't
consider.who you lose to, and by what score. Davis with a few less missed field goals against top ten teams would have 2 less losses.

[FUBeAR]

I didn't even consider Mercer in my poll. I'm guessing you think that's a mistake?Not unless you find out the truth I’ve learned that they don’t count your ballot anyway. xlolx

[Professor Chaos]

And UC Davis lost to your #1 team by 2 points,#2 team by 17, #7 by 5, team and California by 17( I believe )Now, how many teams would have faired much better. I am not complaingabout now being ranked in the top 25, but are there really 39 teams better? Just curious as to why the poles don't
consider.who you lose to, and by what score. Davis with a few less missed field goals against top ten teams would have 2 less losses.
You also have to consider who you beat. UC Davis has only beaten 3 teams and none of them are noteworthy. They won't have much of a chance these next two games either (Cal Poly and Idaho St). The last two (@Idaho and @Sac St) will give UC Davis a chance to prove they deserve to be in the top 25 and the playoffs for that matter.

Also, you can't think of it as the consensus is that there are 39 better teams - it's just everyone thought there were at least 25 better/more deserving teams. If we voted to #30 or #35 it's very possible UC Davis would be in there. They're in my 16 team "watch list" right now for teams that are ready to move up with an impressive win or if I have teams dropping out.

[McCowboys]

Watch out for the Commerce Lions. Big Southland Conference game in Commerce, Texas, this weekend as UIW visits the upstart Lions. UIW has one conference loss to SLU in Hammond. Commerce went to Hammond and beat SLU. Both teams have convincing wins over McNeese (doesn't everyone?), but Commerce's win over the Cowboys was in Lake Charles. This contest will answer a lot of questions or may create a second place logjam of teams in the SLC with one conference loss.

[Preferred Walk-On]

You also have to consider who you beat. UC Davis has only beaten 3 teams and none of them are noteworthy. They won't have much of a chance these next two games either (Cal Poly and Idaho St). The last two (@Idaho and @Sac St) will give UC Davis a chance to prove they deserve to be in the top 25 and the playoffs for that matter.

Also, you can't think of it as the consensus is that there are 39 better teams - it's just everyone thought there were at least 25 better/more deserving teams. If we voted to #30 or #35 it's very possible UC Davis would be in there. They're in my 16 team "watch list" right now for teams that are ready to move up with an impressive win or if I have teams dropping out.

You have a sixteen team watch list, ready to move up (I presume into the Top 25?). That seems like a few teams too many, but to each their own. AGS voters didn't even have sixteen additional teams. ;)

[Professor Chaos]

You have a sixteen team watch list, ready to move up (I presume into the Top 25?). That seems like a few teams too many, but to each their own. AGS voters didn't even have sixteen additional teams. ;)
I'm pretty generous with who I put in there. It usually fluctuates between 10-18 or so and not all of them get serious consideration that particular week but I look for teams with potential to move in based on an upcoming game or games. I don't put them in any particular order either (well, actually it's in alphabetical order). It's actually 17 teams now that I look at it - currently it's:

Abilene Christian Wildcats
Austin Peay Governors
Campbell Fighting Camels
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
Furman Paladins
Illinois State Redbirds
Merrimack Warriors
North Carolina Central Eagles
Northern Iowa Panthers
Penn Quakers
Princeton Tigers
St Francis Red Flash
St. Thomas Tommies
Stephen F Austin Lumberjacks
Texas A&M Commerce Lions
UC Davis Aggies
Villanova Wildcats
Youngstown State Penguins


The bright side is when I'm looking for teams under consideration towards the back end of my top 25 I very rarely have to look outside of those teams. The bad news is it's kind of a pain in the butt to maintain that every week.

[TheKingpin28]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sac State Hornets
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Holy Cross Crusaders
7: Incarnate Word Cardinals
8: Chattanooga Mocs
9: Idaho Vandals
10: William & Mary Tribe
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
13: Samford Bulldogs
14: Jackson State Tigers
15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
16: Mercer Bears
17: Richmond Spiders
18: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
19: Rhode Island Rams
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Southern Illinois Salukis
22: Fordham Rams
23: Furman Paladins
24: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
25: Villanova Wildcats

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[ElCid]

And UC Davis lost to your #1 team by 2 points,#2 team by 17, #7 by 5, team and California by 17( I believe )Now, how many teams would have faired much better. I am not complaingabout now being ranked in the top 25, but are there really 39 teams better? Just curious as to why the poles don't
consider.who you lose to, and by what score. Davis with a few less missed field goals against top ten teams would have 2 less losses.

Well that isn't necessarily the way to look at it. Nobody votes for 40 teams, only 25. So the question should be did every individual voter think there are 25 better teams. I do. Not necessarily all those listed to 35 this week because I didn't vote for many of them. I think people do consider who a team loses to and by how much, but there is a limit on the number of loses. Taking your reasoning to its extreme, a team who loses to the #1 though #11 team (that would be a heck of a schedule) all by only 1 point each should be probably be ranked since they could probably beat 70-80% of the rest of the field. That would be ridiculous to have an 0-11 team ranked. Again, that is an extreme example. But where do you draw the line? UC Davis is 3-4. That's a losing record albeit with an FBS. They ARE still on my watch list of about 5-10 teams outside my 25. I will probably seriously consider them again when/if they are 5-4 or better. I suspect they will end up 5-6 or 6-5 at best. Just my view on it.

[ElCid]

You have a sixteen team watch list, ready to move up (I presume into the Top 25?). That seems like a few teams too many, but to each their own. AGS voters didn't even have sixteen additional teams. ;)

I only have between 5-10 usually, at most. And they obviously come and go. I've shuffled some teams in and out of the 20-25 spots multiple times as they blow it or shine.

[Preferred Walk-On]

I'm pretty generous with who I put in there. It usually fluctuates between 10-18 or so and not all of them get serious consideration that particular week but I look for teams with potential to move in based on an upcoming game or games. I don't put them in any particular order either (well, actually it's in alphabetical order). It's actually 17 teams now that I look at it - currently it's:

Abilene Christian Wildcats
Austin Peay Governors
Campbell Fighting Camels
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
Furman Paladins
Illinois State Redbirds
Merrimack Warriors
North Carolina Central Eagles
Northern Iowa Panthers
Penn Quakers
Princeton Tigers
St Francis Red Flash
St. Thomas Tommies
Stephen F Austin Lumberjacks
Texas A&M Commerce Lions
UC Davis Aggies
Villanova Wildcats
Youngstown State Penguins


The bright side is when I'm looking for teams under consideration towards the back end of my top 25 I very rarely have to look outside of those teams. The bad news is it's kind of a pain in the butt to maintain that every week.

I don't necessarily have this long of a list; however, I do put in the results of every team ranked over the course of the season as part of the How They Fared (which is also a bit of a pain in the butt, but less of a pain than removing a team, then having to re-add them...and look back to update their metrics). At this point in the season, there really are no teams missing from the HTF that are all of the sudden going to jump into the rankings (or even voting). That said, I am sure I just jinxed this somehow.

[Professor Chaos]

I don't necessarily have this long of a list; however, I do put in the results of every team ranked over the course of the season as part of the How They Fared (which is also a bit of a pain in the butt, but less of a pain than removing a team, then having to re-add them...and look back to update their metrics). At this point in the season, there really are no teams missing from the HTF that are all of the sudden going to jump into the rankings (or even voting). That said, I am sure I just jinxed this somehow.
Yeah, there's no way would I do that many teams outside of my top 25 for all the stuff you do in the HTF sheet. Thanks for doing that each week btw... I apparently need to spread rep around.

[POD Knows]

I'm pretty generous with who I put in there. It usually fluctuates between 10-18 or so and not all of them get serious consideration that particular week but I look for teams with potential to move in based on an upcoming game or games. I don't put them in any particular order either (well, actually it's in alphabetical order). It's actually 17 teams now that I look at it - currently it's:

Abilene Christian Wildcats
Austin Peay Governors
Campbell Fighting Camels
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
Furman Paladins
Illinois State Redbirds
Merrimack Warriors
North Carolina Central Eagles
Northern Iowa Panthers
Penn Quakers
Princeton Tigers
St Francis Red Flash
St. Thomas Tommies
Stephen F Austin Lumberjacks
Texas A&M Commerce Lions
UC Davis Aggies
Villanova Wildcats
Youngstown State Penguins


The bright side is when I'm looking for teams under consideration towards the back end of my top 25 I very rarely have to look outside of those teams. The bad news is it's kind of a pain in the butt to maintain that every week.

I am watching the ones in bold


Abilene Christian Wildcats-if they beat UND I might move them into my top 25
Austin Peay Governors - In my top 25
Campbell Fighting Camels - nope, don't get the allure
Eastern Kentucky Colonels - Had them in my top 25, they seem to be slipping
Furman Paladins - In my top 25
Illinois State Redbirds - When they beat the Bison, I will move them in the top 25
Merrimack Warriors - nope
North Carolina Central Eagles - nope
Northern Iowa Panthers - starting to play some decent football
Penn Quakers - Gonna have one Ivy in my top 25, Princeton is in now, we will see
Princeton Tigers
St Francis Red Flash - no freaking way
St. Thomas Tommies - Nope, don't like this conference, last decent team was San Diego and they were Meh
Stephen F Austin Lumberjacks - they could win out and finish 8-3
Texas A&M Commerce Lions - they will get dismantled by IWU but have 3 winnable games, they are on the radar
UC Davis Aggies - nope, got to beat somebody some time
Villanova Wildcats - not now
Youngstown State Penguins - I mean, anything is possible I suppose, not really considering them now but if they beat USD and are 5-3, I suppose they may be in play. Their lucky as **** win against WIU actually cost them points with me

[caribbeanhen]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sac State Hornets
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Incarnate Word Cardinals
7: Chattanooga Mocs
8: Holy Cross Crusaders
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: William & Mary Tribe
11: Idaho Vandals
12: Mercer Bears
13: Montana Grizzlies
14: Jackson State Tigers
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
17: Richmond Spiders
18: Southern Illinois Salukis
19: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
20: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
21: New Hampshire Wildcats
22: Fordham Rams
23: Austin Peay Governors
24: Furman Paladins
25: Rhode Island Rams

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Chattanooga Mocs
The Most Significant Loss: Southern Illinois Salukis
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sac State Hornets
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Incarnate Word Cardinals
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: William & Mary Tribe
8: Chattanooga Mocs
9: Holy Cross Crusaders
10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
11: Idaho Vandals
12: Samford Bulldogs
13: Richmond Spiders
14: Mercer Bears
15: Montana Grizzlies
16: Jackson State Tigers
17: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
18: Furman Paladins
19: Rhode Island Rams
20: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
21: Fordham Rams
22: Princeton Tigers
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Illinois State Redbirds
25: Pennsylvania Quakers

Caribbeanhen

We are close here but not sure why you insist on putting Delaware over William & Mary

Can we get you on selection committee?

[POD Knows]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sac State Hornets
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Incarnate Word Cardinals
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: William & Mary Tribe
8: Chattanooga Mocs
9: Holy Cross Crusaders
10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
11: Idaho Vandals
12: Samford Bulldogs
13: Richmond Spiders
14: Mercer Bears
15: Montana Grizzlies
16: Jackson State Tigers
17: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
18: Furman Paladins
19: Rhode Island Rams
20: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
21: Fordham Rams
22: Princeton Tigers
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Illinois State Redbirds
25: Pennsylvania Quakers

Caribbeanhen

We are close here but not sure why you insist on putting Delaware over William & Mary

Can we get you on selection committee?It is really a coin flip, the Hen's FBS win is better but W&M won the head to head but I still think Delaware is a better football team. Honestly, I should probably flip them, who knows, that loss to Elon is starting to look worse for W&M also.

[mvemjsunpx]

Previous week in parentheses. I made a wholesale reevaluation of everything so some of my changes from last week may look weird (especially W&M).


1. South Dakota St. (1)
2. Sacramento St. (2)
3. Montana St. (4)
4. William & Mary (16)
5. Incarnate Word (6)
6. Holy Cross (5)
7. Tennessee-Chattanooga (9)
8. Weber St. (3)
9. Southeast Missouri St. (10)
10. Delaware (17)
11. Idaho (12)
12. Jackson St. (7)
13. North Dakota St. (13)
14. Rhode Island (18)
15. Southeastern Louisiana (25)
16. Southern Illinois (11)
17. Elon (15)
18. Richmond (19)
19. Mercer (8)
20. Montana (14)
21. Samford (22)
22. Illinois St. (NR)
23. North Dakota (20)
24. Penn (NR)
25. Princeton (NR)

Dropped - Fordham (21), Missouri St. (23), Tennessee-Martin (24)


W - Tennessee-Chattanooga (I think that's what I went with)
L - Missouri St.

[mainejeff]

Maine has #17, 18 & 19 left on their schedule.

[WE_ARE_LIONS]

I am watching the ones in bold


Abilene Christian Wildcats-if they beat UND I might move them into my top 25
Austin Peay Governors - In my top 25
Campbell Fighting Camels - nope, don't get the allure
Eastern Kentucky Colonels - Had them in my top 25, they seem to be slipping
Furman Paladins - In my top 25
Illinois State Redbirds - When they beat the Bison, I will move them in the top 25
Merrimack Warriors - nope
North Carolina Central Eagles - nope
Northern Iowa Panthers - starting to play some decent football
Penn Quakers - Gonna have one Ivy in my top 25, Princeton is in now, we will see
Princeton Tigers
St Francis Red Flash - no freaking way
St. Thomas Tommies - Nope, don't like this conference, last decent team was San Diego and they were Meh
Stephen F Austin Lumberjacks - they could win out and finish 8-3
Texas A&M Commerce Lions - they will get dismantled by IWU but have 3 winnable games, they are on the radar
UC Davis Aggies - nope, got to beat somebody some time
Villanova Wildcats - not now
Youngstown State Penguins - I mean, anything is possible I suppose, not really considering them now but if they beat USD and are 5-3, I suppose they may be in play. Their lucky as **** win against WIU actually cost them points with me

I don't know how the game ends, but I am very confident Commerce won't be dismantled. We will know for sure soon, but I think Commerce should be favored personally.

Our resume isn't as strong as theirs overall as we lost to Sam Houston and Tennessee Tech, but on a game-by-game basis I believe we should be the favorites. Those losses happened while our dual threat stud QB was injured, and we definitely lack the depth that the average FCS team has. But for this game our top talent is back, and UIW has to come see us; there will be a home field advantage from the crowd, and if UIW gets a crowd forced penalty just once then our student section will be pumped and loud for the entire game. Many in Commerce did not expect to be in position year 1 to affect the playoff race, so the city and alums will show up for this. And if Commerce does win then it will be a big win for fundraising, and help us clear those financial FCS hurdles even faster.

[POD Knows]

I don't know how the game ends, but I am very confident Commerce won't be dismantled. We will know for sure soon, but I think Commerce should be favored personally.

Our resume isn't as strong as theirs overall as we lost to Sam Houston and Tennessee Tech, but on a game-by-game basis I believe we should be the favorites. Those losses happened while our dual threat stud QB was injured, and we definitely lack the depth that the average FCS team has. But for this game our top talent is back, and UIW has to come see us; there will be a home field advantage from the crowd, and if UIW gets a crowd forced penalty just once then our student section will be pumped and loud for the entire game. Many in Commerce did not expect to be in position year 1 to affect the playoff race, so the city and alums will show up for this. And if Commerce does win then it will be a big win for fundraising, and help us clear those financial FCS hurdles even faster.I hope you guys do beat IWU. I have to plead ignorance really on Commerce, I have not seen you play but I have seen IWU a couple times and they look REAL good on offense.

[WE_ARE_LIONS]

I hope you guys do beat IWU. I have to plead ignorance really on Commerce, I have not seen you play but I have seen IWU a couple times and they look REAL good on offense.

Completely agree that UIW look's great offensively. But here are a few nuggets to watch for in this game. Commerce was a D2 football power until "1 Big Move" up, and we had a D2 national championship a few years ago. Our AD at the time tried to get Southland (and then WAC) games but couldn't. Back when Sam Houston ran the Southland and 2 years prior to our national championship our guys gave SHSU a real fight in Huntsville, and after that no one in our area would play us. They weren't scared, but admitted they had nothing to gain and much to lose. The payout would be similar for us or a different D2 Texas school, and we represented more risk than the other guys.

Now, UIW and Commerce rank 1 and 2 in most of the impactful conference categories.

Scoring Offense: UIW is 1, TAMUC is 2
Scoring Defense: Commerce is 1, UIW is 2
Rushing: UIW is top rushing offense, Commerce is top rushing defense
Passing Defense: Commerce is 1, UIW is 2
Offensive Efficiency: UIW is 1, Commerce is 2
Defensive Efficiency: Commerce is 1, UIW is 2
Commerce is #1 in interceptions, while UIW is #1 in sacks
3rd Down Offense UIW is #1, 3rd down Defense Commerce is #1

Some areas to watch: UIW is much more efficient at scoring TDs in the red zone, and Commerce has a very clear advantage at kicking FGs. If either side needs a FG late then UIW may be in trouble, but UIW may be able to punch it in at a high enough rate that a 4th quarter FG doesn't matter. Or, if Commerce loses too many starters to injury mid-game then there is definitely a drop off.

[caribbeanhen]

I hope you guys do beat IWU. I have to plead ignorance really on Commerce, I have not seen you play but I have seen IWU a couple times and they look REAL good on offense.

Nichols St looked pretty good when Scott was QB, If I remember correctly they actually benched them late last year but I have no idea why. I guess that explains why he got the heck out of there

[Chalupa Batman]

Here’s my silly little entry this week.

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Sac State Hornets
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Chattanooga Mocs
7: William & Mary Tribe
8: Incarnate Word Cardinals
9: Holy Cross Crusaders
10: Idaho Vandals
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Samford Bulldogs
14: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
15: Jackson State Tigers
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Mercer Bears
18: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
19: Furman Paladins
20: Fordham Rams
21: Southern Illinois Salukis
22: Rhode Island Rams
23: Richmond Spiders
24: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
25: Elon Phoenix

The Most Significant Win: New Hampshire Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Southern Illinois Salukis
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[caribbeanhen]

Here’s my silly little entry this week.

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana State Bobcats
3: Sac State Hornets
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Chattanooga Mocs
7: William & Mary Tribe
8: Incarnate Word Cardinals
9: Holy Cross Crusaders
10: Idaho Vandals
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Samford Bulldogs
14: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
15: Jackson State Tigers
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Mercer Bears
18: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
19: Furman Paladins
20: Fordham Rams
21: Southern Illinois Salukis
22: Rhode Island Rams
23: Richmond Spiders
24: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
25: Elon Phoenix

The Most Significant Win: New Hampshire Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Southern Illinois Salukis
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

that’s what she said, work on your poll 😂

[kdinva]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sac State Hornets
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Holy Cross Crusaders
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: North Dakota State Bison
7: Incarnate Word Cardinals
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: Chattanooga Mocs
10: William & Mary Tribe
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: Samford Bulldogs
13: Mercer Bears
14: Richmond Spiders
15: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
16: Jackson State Tigers
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: Furman Paladins
19: Rhode Island Rams
20: Idaho Vandals
21: Fordham Rams
22: Princeton Tigers
23: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
24: Elon Phoenix
25: Southern Illinois Salukis

The Most Significant Win: Samford Bulldogs
The Most Significant Loss: Elon Phoenix

[lionsrking2]

I don't know how the game ends, but I am very confident Commerce won't be dismantled. We will know for sure soon, but I think Commerce should be favored personally.

Our resume isn't as strong as theirs overall as we lost to Sam Houston and Tennessee Tech, but on a game-by-game basis I believe we should be the favorites. Those losses happened while our dual threat stud QB was injured, and we definitely lack the depth that the average FCS team has. But for this game our top talent is back, and UIW has to come see us; there will be a home field advantage from the crowd, and if UIW gets a crowd forced penalty just once then our student section will be pumped and loud for the entire game. Many in Commerce did not expect to be in position year 1 to affect the playoff race, so the city and alums will show up for this. And if Commerce does win then it will be a big win for fundraising, and help us clear those financial FCS hurdles even faster.

Having faced both teams, I expect UIW will win this game by a couple of scores. Commerce beat us coming off their open date, with plenty of time to game plan having played an NAIA the week before that. We were on the back end of having played six straight, down three starters on our offensive line and without our starting QB. We lost by three. They hit us with stuff we hadn't seen on tape, scoring on a fluke play to start the game, and on a big play on the first play of the second half—plus had another scoring drive extended by a roughing the passer on a 3rd and long. We bogged down and came away empty on a couple of trips inside their 30. Commerce played well that night and deserved to win, we played like zombies and deserved to lose. Had we played the same way against UIW, we would have been blown out. Don't get me wrong, Commerce has a pretty good football team and having a great year in their first season in FCS, but UIW is better on both sides of the ball. Light years better on offense.

[TribePride52]

I get it’s not the best way to evaluate teams, but are we sure Holy Cross is better than W&M?

Holy Cross STRUGGLED with a bad Lafayette team, needing to score on 4th and goal from the 16 to win the game.

I understand that Lafayette has a good defense, but they have the 3rd lowest scoring offense in the FCS, and they had multiple 70+ yard drives on Holy Cross.

[MR. CHICKEN]

32603


....HOLY CROSS WAS COMIN' OFFAH BYE WEEK......WHICH ARE GOOD FO' HEALIN'....BUT NOT NECESSARILY PROGRESSIN'........DELAWARE TOO WAS COMIN' OFFAH BYE....AN' HAD FIRST HALF PROBS WHIFF MORGAN STATE.....AN' B/4 HENDERSON WENT OUT HURT.....WAS KINDA RAG ARMED....FROM LAYOVER......ALSO BIG GAMES LURK FO' BOTH TEAMS DIS WEEKEND..........AWK!

....AH COOD GO THRU DUH SKEDS....AN' FIND PLENTY OF TEAMS COMIN' OFFAH BYES.....WHOM HAD SLOW STARTS/BAD GAMES...BRAWK!

[lionsrking2]

32603


....HOLY CROSS WAS COMIN' OFFAH BYE WEEK......WHICH ARE GOOD FO' HEALIN'....BUT NOT NECESSARILY PROGRESSIN'........DELAWARE TOO WAS COMIN' OFFAH BYE....AN' HAD FIRST HALF PROBS WHIFF MORGAN STATE.....AN' B/4 HENDERSON WENT OUT HURT.....WAS KINDA RAG ARMED....FROM LAYOVER......ALSO BIG GAMES LURK FO' BOTH TEAMS DIS WEEKEND..........AWK!

....AH COOD GO THRU DUH SKEDS....AN' FIND PLENTY OF TEAMS COMIN' OFFAH BYES.....WHOM HAD SLOW STARTS/BAD GAMES...BRAWK!

I dunno, I think open dates are awesome, especially with a big game ahead. Chance to heal up, install new stuff and extra work on next opponent.

[crusader11]

I get it’s not the best way to evaluate teams, but are we sure Holy Cross is better than W&M?

Holy Cross STRUGGLED with a bad Lafayette team, needing to score on 4th and goal from the 16 to win the game.

I understand that Lafayette has a good defense, but they have the 3rd lowest scoring offense in the FCS, and they had multiple 70+ yard drives on Holy Cross.

You’re not wrong. We should have absolutely lost this game.

Lots of things to clean up.

Conference road games can be tough and, as my associate sader87 said, there’s typically one “WTF” game each season. I’d like to chalk it up to this.

A convincing win against Fordham and this becomes old news.

For what it’s worth, I’d venture to guess that W&M would be favored over HC on a neutral field.

[MR. CHICKEN]

I dunno, I think open dates are awesome, especially with a big game ahead. Chance to heal up, install new stuff and extra work on next opponent.

ALL TRUE.....BUT IT'S UH WEEK UH NO GAME ACTION........AWK!

[TribePride52]

You’re not wrong. We should have absolutely lost this game.

Lots of things to clean up.

Conference road games can be tough and, as my associate sader87 said, there’s typically one “WTF” game each season. I’d like to chalk it up to this.

A convincing win against Fordham and this becomes old news.

For what it’s worth, I’d venture to guess that W&M would be favored over HC on a neutral field.
That’s fair to say. Both are good teams, and both have a huge game this weekend.

[KPSUL]

Previous week in parentheses. I made a wholesale reevaluation of everything so some of my changes from last week may look weird (especially W&M).


1. South Dakota St. (1)
2. Sacramento St. (2)
3. Montana St. (4)
4. William & Mary (16)
5. Incarnate Word (6)
6. Holy Cross (5)
7. Tennessee-Chattanooga (9)
8. Weber St. (3)
9. Southeast Missouri St. (10)
10. Delaware (17)
11. Idaho (12)
12. Jackson St. (7)
13. North Dakota St. (13)
14. Rhode Island (18)
15. Southeastern Louisiana (25)
16. Southern Illinois (11)
17. Elon (15)
18. Richmond (19)
19. Mercer (8)
20. Montana (14)
21. Samford (22)
22. Illinois St. (NR)
23. North Dakota (20)
24. Penn (NR)
25. Princeton (NR)

Dropped - Fordham (21), Missouri St. (23), Tennessee-Martin (24)


W - Tennessee-Chattanooga (I think that's what I went with)
L - Missouri St.

I don't frequently comment on the Top 25 rankings AGS members post here, but I do need to point out that you have 5-3 Elon (3-2 in the CAA) ranked 17th and 6-2 UNH (5-0 in the CAA) outside looking in. Now if UNH had not just beaten Elon 40-22, I could accept the argument that the quality of Elon's earlier victories over W&M and Richmond would make your relative rankings within the realm of reasonable. I'm wondering if you just missed the outcome of the Elon @ UNH game?

[KPSUL]

Maine has #17, 18 & 19 left on their schedule.

Look on the bright side, if you win them all you might end up in 16th!

[The Boogie Down]

10/24/2022 AGS Poll Results



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1213
39


2
Sac State Hornets
1166
10


3
Montana State Bobcats
1133



4
North Dakota State Bison
1061



5
Weber State Wildcats
977



6
Incarnate Word Cardinals
928



7
Chattanooga Mocs
915



8
Holy Cross Crusaders
896



9
William & Mary Tribe
817



10
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
750



11
Montana Grizzlies
731



12
Samford Bulldogs
656



13
Idaho Vandals
639



14
Mercer Bears
551



15
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
546



16
Jackson State Tigers
472



17
Richmond Spiders
391



18
Rhode Island Rams
298

















So Rhody needed SEVEN OT's to beat Monmouth but then moved up four spots?!?

[KPSUL]

So Rhody needed SEVEN OT's to beat Monmouth but then moved up four spots?!?

The fact that four teams Ranked between 14 and 21 lost this week had a lot to do with it.

[smilo]

I can't believe Montana is actually underrated here. They lost in OT to the best team in their conference on the road with their backup QB taking major PT.

Then again I have Idaho in my top 10 - still without an FCS loss. Maybe they should be even higher.

Only other maybe controversial one is that I dropped UTM now that the Missouri State win is worth zilch. Hard to rationalize them, over, say Penn (who was my #27 or so).

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sac State Hornets
3: Montana State Bobcats
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: North Dakota State Bison
7: Incarnate Word Cardinals
8: Holy Cross Crusaders
9: Idaho Vandals
10: Chattanooga Mocs
11: William & Mary Tribe
12: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
13: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
14: Jackson State Tigers
15: Richmond Spiders
16: Samford Bulldogs
17: New Hampshire Wildcats
18: Mercer Bears
19: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: Princeton Tigers
22: Southern Illinois Salukis
23: Furman Paladins
24: Fordham Rams
25: Elon Phoenix

[mvemjsunpx]

I don't frequently comment on the Top 25 rankings AGS members post here, but I do need to point out that you have 5-3 Elon (3-2 in the CAA) ranked 17th and 6-2 UNH (5-0 in the CAA) outside looking in. Now if UNH had not just beaten Elon 40-22, I could accept the argument that the quality of Elon's earlier victories over W&M and Richmond would make your relative rankings within the realm of reasonable. I'm wondering if you just missed the outcome of the Elon @ UNH game?

No, I didn't miss it. Elon still has 1 more good win than UNH, and the Wildcats have had multiple iffy-to-bad performances: the NC Central debacle, a blowout loss to a bad FBS, and a close win over Stony Brook. Also, the Monmouth win isn't worth nearly as much as it was a couple weeks ago. UNH's overall resume is noticeably weaker than the 5 CAA teams that I ranked. New Hampshire has a chance to change that next couple weeks, of course.

(I had UNH as my #28)

[mvemjsunpx]

I can't believe Montana is actually underrated here. They lost in OT to the best team in their conference on the road with their backup QB taking major PT.

The Griz have no good wins, though.


Only other maybe controversial one is that I dropped UTM now that the Missouri State win is worth zilch. Hard to rationalize them, over, say Penn (who was my #27 or so).

UTM actually lost to Missouri State, but I agree with the overall sentiment (I dropped them off, too).

[Bisonator]

Previous week in parentheses. I made a wholesale reevaluation of everything so some of my changes from last week may look weird (especially W&M).


1. South Dakota St. (1)
2. Sacramento St. (2)
3. Montana St. (4)
4. William & Mary (16)
5. Incarnate Word (6)
6. Holy Cross (5)
7. Tennessee-Chattanooga (9)
8. Weber St. (3)
9. Southeast Missouri St. (10)
10. Delaware (17)
11. Idaho (12)
12. Jackson St. (7)
13. North Dakota St. (13)
14. Rhode Island (18)
15. Southeastern Louisiana (25)
16. Southern Illinois (11)
17. Elon (15)
18. Richmond (19)
19. Mercer (8)
20. Montana (14)
21. Samford (22)
22. Illinois St. (NR)
23. North Dakota (20)
24. Penn (NR)
25. Princeton (NR)

Dropped - Fordham (21), Missouri St. (23), Tennessee-Martin (24)


W - Tennessee-Chattanooga (I think that's what I went with)
L - Missouri St.

Wow just wow.....xsmhx

[caribbeanhen]

No, I didn't miss it. Elon still has 1 more good win than UNH, and the Wildcats have had multiple iffy-to-bad performances: the NC Central debacle, a blowout loss to a bad FBS, and a close win over Stony Brook. Also, the Monmouth win isn't worth nearly as much as it was a couple weeks ago. UNH's overall resume is noticeably weaker than the 5 CAA teams that I ranked. New Hampshire has a chance to change that next couple weeks, of course.

(I had UNH as my #28)

Final scores matter and if you had actually watched the game, or even part of it, you would know that New Hampshire is better than Elon

[Preferred Walk-On]

Previous week in parentheses. I made a wholesale reevaluation of everything so some of my changes from last week may look weird (especially W&M).


1. South Dakota St. (1)
2. Sacramento St. (2)
3. Montana St. (4)
4. William & Mary (16)
5. Incarnate Word (6)
6. Holy Cross (5)
7. Tennessee-Chattanooga (9)
8. Weber St. (3)
9. Southeast Missouri St. (10)
10. Delaware (17)
11. Idaho (12)
12. Jackson St. (7)
13. North Dakota St. (13)
14. Rhode Island (18)
15. Southeastern Louisiana (25)
16. Southern Illinois (11)
17. Elon (15)
18. Richmond (19)
19. Mercer (8)
20. Montana (14)
21. Samford (22)
22. Illinois St. (NR)
23. North Dakota (20)
24. Penn (NR)
25. Princeton (NR)

Dropped - Fordham (21), Missouri St. (23), Tennessee-Martin (24)


W - Tennessee-Chattanooga (I think that's what I went with)
L - Missouri St.


Wow just wow.....xsmhx

I am liking this "being the underdog" role. Of course, that only works when more than one person believes you are the underdog.

Also, NDSU can earn their way back, and it starts this weekend. For the record, I completely disagree with the placement of NDSU (and a few other teams that are drastic overreaches) in this poll, but to each their own.

[Bisonator]

I am liking this "being the underdog" role. Of course, that only works when more than one person believes you are the underdog.

Also, NDSU can earn their way back, and it starts this weekend. For the record, I completely disagree with the placement of NDSU (and a few other teams that are drastic overreaches) in this poll, but to each their own.
If it was just NDSU I wouldn't have even bothered but this whole poll just.........forget it xlolx

[mvemjsunpx]

I am liking this "being the underdog" role. Of course, that only works when more than one person believes you are the underdog.

Also, NDSU can earn their way back, and it starts this weekend. For the record, I completely disagree with the placement of NDSU (and a few other teams that are drastic overreaches) in this poll, but to each their own.

I suspect NDSU is truly better than #13, too, but their current resume isn't much better than Montana's. The Bison really need a win over a good team.

[crusader11]

I suspect NDSU is truly better than #13, too, but their current resume isn't much better than Montana's. The Bison really need a win over a good team.

Hadn’t realized that NDSU really hasn’t beaten anyone of note.

Eked out a win at Indiana St and had a relatively close game at home against Youngstown.

So, yeah, their resume isn’t all that impressive. Their game against Illinois State, who I think is pretty good, should be revealing.

[Tribal]

Final scores matter and if you had actually watched the game, or even part of it, you would know that New Hampshire is better than Elon

Yes, final scores matter. W&M is decidedly better than Elon but they had an unbelievable 2nd half to W&M’s worst half all season. It is what it is and only the final score matters. So…there’s no way I’d have Elon higher than UNH. UNH has, by far, the easiest schedule in the CAA but beating Elon is significant and beating UR will all but lock them in for the CAAF Title and playoff berth. I do think UR, URI and Maine will be good tests but I see UNH going 2-1 for that round.

[caribbeanhen]

Yes, final scores matter. W&M is decidedly better than Elon but they had an unbelievable 2nd half to W&M’s worst half all season. It is what it is and only the final score matters. So…there’s no way I’d have Elon higher than UNH. UNH has, by far, the easiest schedule in the CAA but beating Elon is significant and beating UR will all but lock them in for the CAAF Title and playoff berth. I do think UR, URI and Maine will be good tests but I see UNH going 2-1 for that round.

and you had another second half collapse against Delaware but you did manage to pull that out at home



UNH