AGS Poll Results - 2022 SEASON - Wk. 4

[AGSPoll]

9/26/2022 AGS Poll Results



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
North Dakota State Bison
1223
33


2
Montana Grizzlies
1187
10


3
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1162
6


4
Sac State Hornets
1069
1


5
Montana State Bobcats
1021



6
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
995



7
Weber State Wildcats
949



8
Missouri State Bears
904



9
Holy Cross Crusaders
822



10
Incarnate Word Cardinals
745



11
Chattanooga Mocs
647



12
Jackson State Tigers
593



13
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
563



14
Mercer Bears
537



15
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
522



16
Samford Bulldogs
445



17
Eastern Washington Eagles
333



18
Richmond Spiders
305



19
William & Mary Tribe
300



20
Elon Phoenix
282



21
Villanova Wildcats
281



22
Southern Illinois Salukis
257



23
Austin Peay Governors
256



24
Furman Paladins
204



25
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
183
















ORV:




26
UC Davis Aggies
89



27
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
72



28T
North Carolina Central Eagles
50



28T
Rhode Island Rams
50



30
Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
44



31
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
35



32
Princeton Tigers
32



33
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
22



34
Monmouth Hawks
18



35
New Hampshire Wildcats
17



36
Fordham Rams
16



37
Illinois State Redbirds
7



38
Dartmouth Big Green
4



39T
South Dakota Coyotes
3



39T
Youngstown State Penguins
3
















Most Significant Win:
Sac State Hornets





Most Significant Loss:
Villanova Wildcats

[POD Knows]

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/25/2022 9:11:16

Your vote is listed below.


1: Montana Grizzlies
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Sac State Hornets
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
6: Missouri State Bears
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Weber State Wildcats
9: Holy Cross Crusaders
10: Jackson State Tigers
11: Incarnate Word Cardinals
12: Chattanooga Mocs
13: Samford Bulldogs
14: Mercer Bears
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Austin Peay Governors
17: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
18: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
19: Eastern Washington Eagles
20: Elon Phoenix
21: William & Mary Tribe
22: Richmond Spiders
23: Southern Illinois Salukis
24: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
25: Furman Paladins

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
The Most Significant Loss: Villanova Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[caribbeanhen]

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/25/2022 9:11:16

Your vote is listed below.


1: Montana Grizzlies
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Sac State Hornets
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
6: Missouri State Bears
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Weber State Wildcats
9: Holy Cross Crusaders
10: Jackson State Tigers
11: Incarnate Word Cardinals
12: Chattanooga Mocs
13: Samford Bulldogs
14: Mercer Bears
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Austin Peay Governors
17: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
18: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
19: Eastern Washington Eagles
20: Elon Phoenix
21: William & Mary Tribe
22: Richmond Spiders
23: Southern Illinois Salukis
24: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
25: Furman Paladins

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
The Most Significant Loss: Villanova Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

You must’ve had your picture taken in Philadelphia

[POD Knows]

You must’ve had your picture taken in PhiladelphiaOK, I'll bite, no idea what you are talking about but I have been to Philly multiple times unfortunately

[Chalupa Batman]

Here’s mine:

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana Grizzlies
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Sac State Hornets
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Holy Cross Crusaders
9: Missouri State Bears
10: Incarnate Word Cardinals
11: Chattanooga Mocs
12: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
13: Jackson State Tigers
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
16: Richmond Spiders
17: Furman Paladins
18: Southern Illinois Salukis
19: William & Mary Tribe
20: Austin Peay Governors
21: Mercer Bears
22: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
23: North Carolina Central Eagles
24: Elon Phoenix
25: Eastern Kentucky Colonels

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
The Most Significant Loss: Villanova Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[MSUBobcat]

OK, I'll bite, no idea what you are talking about but I have been to Philly multiple times unfortunately

My guess is he's saying there's incriminating evidence against you that made you keep Nova as high as you did. Best I can come up with.

[POD Knows]

My guess is he's saying there's incriminating evidence against you that made you keep Nova as high as you did. Best I can come up with.Well, may not be wrong there, I don't dump somebody out of my poll for one loss to a pretty good team, I have Monmouth just outside of my top 25, but 15 is maybe too high for Nova at this point in time. We will see.

[MR. CHICKEN]

My guess is he's saying there's incriminating evidence against you that made you keep Nova as high as you did. Best I can come up with.

......YOUSE SPEAK....PHILLY FLUENTLAH.......NOW BOO HARPER....WHEN HE'S 3 FO' 4............BUT K's....WHIFF BASES FULL....BOTTOM NINTH.....AWK!

[Professor Chaos]

This week's poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-4-top-25-results-4/

It's a little disappointing to see Elon ranked one spot below William & Mary in the consensus (that's STATS/Coaches poll type stuff people). Same could be said for SIU over SEMO. Head-to-head should be weighted pretty strongly this early in the season IMO. Although I was ok with Incarnate Word over SLU based on how tight that game was and the fact that UIW has some really good wins to fall back on.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana Grizzlies
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Holy Cross Crusaders
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: Sac State Hornets
8: Missouri State Bears
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Chattanooga Mocs
11: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
12: Eastern Washington Eagles
13: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
14: Jackson State Tigers
15: Mercer Bears
16: Samford Bulldogs
17: Princeton Tigers
18: Elon Phoenix
19: William & Mary Tribe
20: Incarnate Word Cardinals
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Furman Paladins
23: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
24: Richmond Spiders
25: Fordham Rams

The Most Significant Win: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
The Most Significant Loss: Villanova Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[crusader11]

Surprised Fordham is so low…not even that close to cracking the 25.

Nice showing in Athens…they all but had that win and pissed it away.

But what’s really noteworthy is going on the road to beat Monmouth. A win that looks pretty good now.

[Professor Chaos]

This was mine:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana Grizzlies
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Sac State Hornets
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Delaware Fightin Blue Hens
8: Missouri State Bears
9: Incarnate Word Cardinals
10: Chattanooga Mocs
11: Holy Cross Crusaders
12: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
13: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
14: Jackson State Tigers
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
17: Southern Illinois Salukis
18: Mercer Bears
19: Elon Phoenix
20: William & Mary Tribe
21: Austin Peay Governors
22: Eastern Washington Eagles
23: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
24: Richmond Spiders
25: North Carolina Central Eagles

[Chalupa Batman]

Well, may not be wrong there, I don't dump somebody out of my poll for one loss to a pretty good team, I have Monmouth just outside of my top 25, but 15 is maybe too high for Nova at this point in time. We will see.

I dropped Nova out of my poll completely, but I've been lower on them then everyone else all year. I had them at 13 last week. Their two victories are both unimpressive and haven't shown much either in their two losses for me to give them any benefit of the doubt.

[atthewbon]

This week's poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-4-top-25-results-4/

It's a little disappointing to see Elon ranked one spot below William & Mary in the consensus (that's STATS/Coaches poll type stuff people). Same could be said for SIU over SEMO. Head-to-head should be weighted pretty strongly this early in the season IMO. Although I was ok with Incarnate Word over SLU based on how tight that game was and the fact that UIW has some really good wins to fall back on.

Agree completely. I has Elon and SEMO ranked higher than the teams they beat but kept UIW above SLU because it was such a close game, SLU was at home, and UIW has some great wins. Here is my ballot.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Montana Grizzlies
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
6: Sac State Hornets
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Missouri State Bears
9: Holy Cross Crusaders
10: Incarnate Word Cardinals
11: Jackson State Tigers
12: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
13: Chattanooga Mocs
14: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
15: Mercer Bears
16: Richmond Spiders
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
19: Southern Illinois Salukis
20: Austin Peay Governors
21: Elon Phoenix
22: William & Mary Tribe
23: Furman Paladins
24: Eastern Washington Eagles
25: UC Davis Aggies

[POD Knows]

I dropped Nova out of my poll completely, but I've been lower on them then everyone else all year. I had them at 13 last week. Their two victories are both unimpressive and haven't shown much either in their two losses for me to give them any benefit of the doubt.I had them at 9 and I have to admit that position in my poll was purely on rep alone. I wasn't going to dump them out because they lost to a team I have in my top 30 but 15, in hindsight, might be a few spots too high.

[caribbeanhen]

OK, I'll bite, no idea what you are talking about but I have been to Philly multiple times unfortunately

My Polaroid point is I think you’re 20, 21 and 22 are all three better than Villanova

[ElCid]

Agree completely. I has Elon and SEMO ranked higher than the teams they beat but kept UIW above SLU because it was such a close game, SLU was at home, and UIW has some great wins. Here is my ballot.


Exactly. It's called body of work instead of just one game. I have UIW ahead of SLU as well currently.

[POD Knows]

My Polaroid point is I think you’re 20, 21 and 22 are all three better than VillanovaWe will see, I haven't checked the schedules but I am pretty sure they play Bill and Mary and Elon. Will be interesting IMNHO I think UC Davis beats all three of those teams and I don't have them ranked because you need to get some wins.

[wapiti]

What's up with the love for Jackson State??

Historically they are an awful team.
They have had a really soft schedule to start the season and will continue to be soft.

I do not think they are a top 25 team.

[caribbeanhen]

We will see, I haven't checked the schedules but I am pretty sure they play Bill and Mary and Elon. Will be interesting IMNHO I think UC Davis beats all three of those teams and I don't have them ranked because you need to get some wins.

UC Davis ? That would be a great FCS match up but I’m not seeing it with the Aggies. They are getting pumped more than..... Well fill in the blank

[wapiti]

UC Davis ? That would be a great FCS match up but I’m not seeing it with the Aggies. They are getting pumped more than..... Well fill in the blank

UC Davis would throttle Jackson State

[ElCid]

What's up with the love for Jackson State??

Historically they are an awful team.
They have had a really soft schedule to start the season and will continue to be soft.

I do not think they are a top 25 team.

Good team, but with such a soft, mostly insulated schedule they really shouldn't be anywhere above 16-20.

[Birgs]

1. North Dakota
2. South Dakota St.
3. Montana
4. Montana St.
5.Sacramento
6. Chattanooga
7. Eastern Washington
8. Incarnate Word
9. Richmond
10. Missouri State
11. Deleware.
12. UT-Martin
13. Jackson State
14. Weber State
15. Elon
16. Jacksonville State


North Dakota State (44)
3-1
1,337
1


2
South Dakota State
3-1
1,272
T-2


3
Montana
4-0
1,264
T-2


4
Montana State
3-1
1,158
T-4


5
Sacramento
3-0
1,1142
7


6
Delaware
4-0
1,053
8


7
Missouri State
2-2
943
6


8
Weber State
4-0
942
12


9
Jackson State
4-0
907
11


10
Holy Cross
4-0
837
13


11
UIW
3-1
808
T-4


12
Chattanooga
3-1
753
10


13
Mercer
3-1
551
17


14
Villanova
2-2
452
9


15
UT Martin
2-2
403
18


16
Samford
3-1
380
21


17
Richmond
3-1
348
22


18
William & Mary
3-1
346
14


19
Southern Illinois
2-2
345
24


20
Eastern Washington
1-2
344
15


21
Southeastern Louisiana
2-2
358
NR


22
Austin Peay
4-1
328
NR


23
Elon
3-1
226
NR


24
Southeast Missouri
3-1
171
NR


25
Eastern




North Dakota State (44)
3-1
1,337
1


2
South Dakota State
3-1
1,272
T-2


3
Montana
4-0
1,264
T-2


4
Montana State
3-1
1,158
T-4


5
Sacramento
3-0
1,1142
7


6
Delaware
4-0
1,053
8


7
Missouri State
2-2
943
6


8
Weber State
4-0
942
12


9
Jackson State
4-0
907
11


10
Holy Cross
4-0
837
13


11
UIW
3-1
808
T-4


12
Chattanooga
3-1
753
10


13
Mercer
3-1
551
17


14
Villanova
2-2
452
9


15
UT Martin
2-2
403
18


16
Samford
3-1
380
21


17
Richmond
3-1
348
22


18
William & Mary
3-1
346
14


19
Southern Illinois
2-2
345
24


20
Eastern Washington
1-2
344
15


21
Southeastern Louisiana
2-2
358
NR


22
Austin Peay
4-1
328
NR


23
Elon
3-1
226
NR


24
Southeast Missouri
3-1
171
NR


25
Eastern Kentucky

[caribbeanhen]

UC Davis would throttle Jackson State

probably, It’s pretty sad when the only true test Jackson state will get is Campbell

[grizband]

Can't believe I forgot to submit this week!

[crusader11]

Zero votes for Idaho? Zero? I'm surprised.

[Preferred Walk-On]

This week's poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-4-top-25-results-4/

It's a little disappointing to see Elon ranked one spot below William & Mary in the consensus (that's STATS/Coaches poll type stuff people). Same could be said for SIU over SEMO. Head-to-head should be weighted pretty strongly this early in the season IMO. Although I was ok with Incarnate Word over SLU based on how tight that game was and the fact that UIW has some really good wins to fall back on.

I think that if "good wins to fall back on" applies, then SIU over SEMO seems about right (this is not what I did, but SIU did beat FBS Northwestern).

Seems like either lean into it, or don't, but perhaps a bit unfair to criticize this poll with the "good wins to fall back on" point when you were OK making an exception to it. I know the "but the SEMO win over SIU was at Carbondale" or "UIW lost on the road to SLU" can enter into play", but then the discussion can be how much does H2H weigh in vs. home/road? Or even better, if they played 10 times, team X would win Y games (probably not the best strategy to take, but I guess if UIW played SLU 10 times, they would win...more?).

BTW, I do agree with you that H2H should have a lot of significance at this point, and I think right now that Elon>W&M (and Elon beat the Tribe at their house), SEMO>SIU (again, beat the Salukis at their house), and SLU>UIW (win @ home, but cannot help it they had TWO FBS losses and one dominating performance against a poor CCSU team...their schedule is what it is), but we'll see how it ultimately plays out.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Zero votes for Idaho? Zero? I'm surprised.

I am too. With the discussion in How They Fared, I had already inserted them into the list of teams (not necessarily Top 25, but in the list). Obviously, I did not vote for them in the Top 25, but the consensus is that everybody thought they did not belong in the Top 25...perhaps this is the first time every AGS voter agreed on anything.

[Professor Chaos]

I think that if "good wins to fall back on" applies, then SIU over SEMO seems about right (this is not what I did, but SIU did beat FBS Northwestern).

Seems like either lean into it, or don't, but perhaps a bit unfair to criticize this poll with the "good wins to fall back on" point when you were OK making an exception to it. I know the "but the SEMO win over SIU was at Carbondale" or "UIW lost on the road to SLU" can enter into play", but then the discussion can be how much does H2H weigh in vs. home/road? Or even better, if they played 10 times, team X would win Y games (probably not the best strategy to take, but I guess if UIW played SLU 10 times, they would win...more?).

BTW, I do agree with you that H2H should have a lot of significance at this point, and I think right now that Elon>W&M (and Elon beat the Tribe at their house), SEMO>SIU (again, beat the Salukis at their house), and SLU>UIW (win @ home, but cannot help it they had TWO FBS losses and one dominating performance against a poor CCSU team...their schedule is what it is), but we'll see how it ultimately plays out.
That's a good point and SEMO did score the go-ahead TD with 11 seconds to play so it's not like that game proved there was much separation between the two. To be fair I have SIU one spot below SEMO and W&M one spot below Elon so these are some pretty minor gripes from me in the grand scheme. I would also guess that in the case of W&M and Elon the difference in the consensus probably comes from voters who didn't want to move W&M all the way out of their top 25 but still left Elon off. At least from the ballots posted so far everyone who had both Elon and W&M ranked had Elon ahead of W&M.

[nevadagriz]

If team A is 3-1 and Team B is 4-0 and their one common opponent Team B beat by more and looked better team A just stays in front of team B?

[atthewbon]

If team A is 3-1 and Team B is 4-0 and their one common opponent Team B beat by more and looked better team A just stays in front of team B?

If you are talking about the teams I think you’re talking about. Team A’s one loss was by 4 to a team every other fcs school would have likely been crushed by. Team B beat the common opponent by 3 more points. Team A was up by 14 with a couple minutes left in the game when the third string rb fumbled leading to a touchdown onside kick and touchdown. Both games were close with the common opponent having a chance to win down he stretch. Team A also just beat a top 5 team on the road by two scores.

[Grizalltheway]

If you are talking about the teams I think you’re talking about. Team A’s one loss was by 4 to a team every other fcs school would have likely been crushed by. Team B beat the common opponent by 3 more points. Team A was up by 14 with a couple minutes left in the game when the third string rb fumbled leading to a touchdown onside kick and touchdown. Both games were close with the common opponent having a chance to win down he stretch. Team A also just beat a top 5 team on the road by two scores.
I don't think UM would be crushed by Arizona. They're better on both sides of the ball than the team that beat UW last year (I realize their record was awful, but most of their losses were by a TD or less). That being said, they'll have their chance to prove they should be #1 if they can get road wins in Sacramento and Ogden.

[mvemjsunpx]

Previous week in parentheses…


1. North Dakota St. (1)
2. South Dakota St. (2)
3. Sacramento St. (3)
4. Montana (4)
5. Weber St. (6)
6. Montana St. (8)
7. Holy Cross (9)
8. Jackson St. (10)
9. Delaware (12)
10. Incarnate Word (5)
11. Missouri St. (7)
12. Austin Peay (18)
13. Mercer (14)
14. Tennessee-Chattanooga (15)
15. Tennessee-Martin (17)
16. Southeast Missouri St. (19)
17. Southeastern Louisiana (NR)
18. Richmond (22)
19. Elon (NR)
20. William & Mary (13)
21. Southern Illinois (24)
22. Eastern Kentucky (16)
23. Fordham (NR)
24. NC Central (NR)
25. New Hampshire (NR)

Dropped - Villanova (11), Harvard (20), Dartmouth (21), North Dakota (23), Eastern Washington (25)


W - Southeastern Louisiana
L - Villanova

[caribbeanhen]

Previous week in parentheses…


1. North Dakota St. (1)
2. South Dakota St. (2)
3. Sacramento St. (3)
4. Montana (4)
5. Weber St. (6)
6. Montana St. (8)
7. Holy Cross (9)
8. Jackson St. (10)
9. Delaware (12)
10. Incarnate Word (5)
11. Missouri St. (7)
12. Austin Peay (18)
13. Mercer (14)
14. Tennessee-Chattanooga (15)
15. Tennessee-Martin (17)
16. Southeast Missouri St. (19)
17. Southeastern Louisiana (NR)
18. Richmond (22)
19. Elon (NR)
20. William & Mary (13)
21. Southern Illinois (24)
22. Eastern Kentucky (16)
23. Fordham (NR)
24. NC Central (NR)
25. New Hampshire (NR)

Dropped - Villanova (11), Harvard (20), Dartmouth (21), North Dakota (23), Eastern Washington (25)


W - Southeastern Louisiana
L - Villanova


The mighty Word Should drop much further than that, they did lose to SE Louisiana

[mvemjsunpx]

The mighty Word Should drop much further than that, they did lose to SE Louisiana

They still have 2 big wins, which is more than most anyone else has.

[Chalupa Batman]

I don't think UM would be crushed by Arizona. They're better on both sides of the ball than the team that beat UW last year (I realize their record was awful, but most of their losses were by a TD or less). That being said, they'll have their chance to prove they should be #1 if they can get road wins in Sacramento and Ogden.

I believe nevadagriz was comparing SDSU & Weber State along with their common opponent in UC Davis, not NDSU & Montana along with their common opponent in USD. I know that’s who atthhewbon was comparing.

I don’t think any of the top 7-8 teams get crushed by Iowa and are as competitive as the Jacks were.

[Grizalltheway]

I believe nevadagriz was comparing SDSU & Weber State along with their common opponent in UC Davis, not NDSU & Montana along with their common opponent in USD. I know that’s who atthhewbon was comparing.

I don’t think any of the top 7-8 teams get crushed by Iowa and are as competitive as the Jacks were.

Thanks. I'll try reading next time.

[nevadagriz]

Thanks. I'll try reading next time.
I was comparing Montana and NDSU. Ndsu was favored in the ARIZONA game and lost, You can find all kinds of comments and a few articles saying NDSU would win and most Bison fans had them winning by double digits. Voters seem scared to but NDSU at 2 or 3 where they belong. My vote would go as follows

1 WSU
2.SAC st
3. Montana
4. SDSU
5. NDSU

just my humble opinion based on how teams have played this far and not on how teams did in the past or How I think they will end up.

[atthewbon]

I was comparing Montana and NDSU. Ndsu was favored in the ARIZONA game and lost, You can find all kinds of comments and a few articles saying NDSU would win and most Bison fans had them winning by double digits. Voters seem scared to but NDSU at 2 or 3 where they belong. My vote would go as follows

1 WSU
2.SAC st
3. Montana
4. SDSU
5. NDSU

just my humble opinion based on how teams have played this far and not on how teams did in the past or How I think they will end up.

My fault thought you were comparing sdsu and Weber. My take on NDSU being 1 is that they’ve won 8 out of the last 10 championships or whatever it is and as long as they are the defending champs I can’t see dropping them unless they lose to an fcs team. They’ve proven it time and time again.

Edit:
I think when voting you should not just base it on a teams resume (especially this early in the season) you have to take into account history (otherwise all wins would be equal) and how good you think the team is/will be (eye test).

[atthewbon]

I believe nevadagriz was comparing SDSU & Weber State along with their common opponent in UC Davis, not NDSU & Montana along with their common opponent in USD. I know that’s who atthhewbon was comparing.

I don’t think any of the top 7-8 teams get crushed by Iowa and are as competitive as the Jacks were.

Yea that was an exaggeration, some of the other top fcs teams would be competitive. My argument was just that I don't think it's fair to punish an an fcs team in the rankings for losing to Iowa by 4.

[Professor Chaos]

I was comparing Montana and NDSU. Ndsu was favored in the ARIZONA game and lost, You can find all kinds of comments and a few articles saying NDSU would win and most Bison fans had them winning by double digits. Voters seem scared to but NDSU at 2 or 3 where they belong. My vote would go as follows

1 WSU
2.SAC st
3. Montana
4. SDSU
5. NDSU

just my humble opinion based on how teams have played this far and not on how teams did in the past or How I think they will end up.
Montana looked better against USD than NDSU did? They both beat them by 17 except NDSU did it on the road. NDSU did play a really sloppy first half but they dominated the 2nd half which evened out to a convincing win that everyone expected. I was disappointed they lost to Arizona but they had every opportunity to win that game but just had one less big play in them than Arizona did... and this isn't the same Arizona team from last year.

If you want to go just off this year not sure how you can justify Montana over NDSU... the other 3 could certainly have a case made for them. Both NDSU and Montana are getting ranked based mostly on past rep right now.

[JSUSoutherner]

Are you guys really bickering over who beat a 1-3 team worse?

Get a grip.

[Professor Chaos]

Are you guys really bickering over who beat a 1-3 team worse?

Get a grip.
I'm not claiming NDSU beat them worse I'm saying there's really no difference so it's pointless to even use it as a data point in either team's favor.

USD's record doesn't really matter at this point in the season anyway... they're a common opponent so it's at least worth looking at when comparing the two. I'd say all but 5 or so other FCS teams would be 1-3 with USD's schedule also.

[semobison]

Are you guys really bickering over who beat a 1-3 team worse?

Get a grip.

There is not a team outside the top 10 who would have two wins if they played USD’s schedule!

[Professor Chaos]

A trio of teams set new all-time highs in the AGS Poll this week with Holy Cross at #9, Jackson St at #12, and Mercer at #14.

I believe JSU's #12 ranking is the highest ever for a SWAC team in the AGS Poll - Bethune-Cookman was ranked higher than that a couple times in 2010 but they were a MEAC member back then.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Montana looked better against USD than NDSU did? They both beat them by 17 except NDSU did it on the road. NDSU did play a really sloppy first half but they dominated the 2nd half which evened out to a convincing win that everyone expected. I was disappointed they lost to Arizona but they had every opportunity to win that game but just had one less big play in them than Arizona did... and this isn't the same Arizona team from last year.

If you want to go just off this year not sure how you can justify Montana over NDSU... the other 3 could certainly have a case made for them. Both NDSU and Montana are getting ranked based mostly on past rep right now.

I know I might have my green-and-gold glasses on right now, although I admit that I did not vote NDSU #1 this week. However, I just do not see Montana as the #1 team right now (Northwestern State, South Dakota, Indiana State, and Portland State...not exactly murderer's row). The Grizzlies are very good, but not #1, and not above the XDSU's...yet.

[caribbeanhen]

[QUOTE=mvemjsunpx;3077016]Previous week in parentheses…


1. North Dakota St. (1)
2. South Dakota St. (2)
3. Sacramento St. (3)
4. Montana (4)
5. Weber St. (6)
6. Montana St. (8)
7. Holy Cross (9)
8. Jackson St. (10)
9. Delaware (12)
10. Incarnate Word (5)
11. Missouri St. (7)
12. Austin Peay (18)
13. Mercer (14)
14. Tennessee-Chattanooga (15)
15. Tennessee-Martin (17)
16. Southeast Missouri St. (19)
17. Southeastern Louisiana (NR)
18. Richmond (22)
19. Elon (NR)
20. William & Mary (13)
21. Southern Illinois (24)
22. Eastern Kentucky (16)
23. Fordham (NR)
24. NC Central (NR)
25. New Hampshire (NR)

Dropped - Villanova (11), Harvard (20), Dartmouth (21), North Dakota (23), Eastern Washington (25)


W - Southeastern Louisiana
L - Villanova[/QUOTE

Jackson State is better than Delaware? Based off what?

[Gil Dobie]

I was comparing Montana and NDSU. Ndsu was favored in the ARIZONA game and lost, You can find all kinds of comments and a few articles saying NDSU would win and most Bison fans had them winning by double digits. Voters seem scared to but NDSU at 2 or 3 where they belong. My vote would go as follows

1 WSU
2.SAC st
3. Montana
4. SDSU
5. NDSU

just my humble opinion based on how teams have played this far and not on how teams did in the past or How I think they will end up.

Montana win vs USD was at home, NDSU on the road.

[jacksfan29!]

Zero votes for Idaho? Zero? I'm surprised.


Agree, watched their game at Flagstaff. I think Idaho is going to surprise some Big Sky fans this year. I was impressed.

[caribbeanhen]

Zero votes for Idaho? Zero? I'm surprised.

have no fear Laddy

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana Grizzlies
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
5: Sac State Hornets
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Richmond Spiders
9: Mercer Bears
10: Holy Cross Crusaders
11: Missouri State Bears
12: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
13: Incarnate Word Cardinals
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: Furman Paladins
16: Jackson State Tigers
17: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
18: Elon Phoenix
19: William & Mary Tribe
20: Chattanooga Mocs
21: Austin Peay Governors
22: Southern Illinois Salukis
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: Youngstown State Penguins
25: Idaho Vandals

Caribbeanhen

[Professor Chaos]

have no fear Laddy

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Montana Grizzlies
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
5: Sac State Hornets
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Richmond Spiders
9: Mercer Bears
10: Holy Cross Crusaders
11: Missouri State Bears
12: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
13: Incarnate Word Cardinals
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: Furman Paladins
16: Jackson State Tigers
17: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
18: Elon Phoenix
19: William & Mary Tribe
20: Chattanooga Mocs
21: Austin Peay Governors
22: Southern Illinois Salukis
23: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
24: Youngstown State Penguins
25: Idaho Vandals

Caribbeanhen
Wow... what an Ivy League hater... :D

[caribbeanhen]

Wow... what an Ivy League hater... :D

They earned it .... for now

[jacksfan29!]

Weber beat Davis 17 - 12. SDSU beat Davis 24 - 22, but the game was not that close, not really much difference. The bigger difference, the schedules of the two.

SDSU v Iowa (Massey 24 FBS), Davis (top 25 FCS), Butler (non-schol D1), Missouri State (top 10 FCS)

Weber v W Oregon (D2), Utah State (Massey 112 FBS), Utah Tech (D1 since 2020), Davis (top 25 FCS)

Utah State is FBS in name only this year. Sitting at 112 out of 131 FBS schools, and falling.

As for Montana and NDSU, 3 of 4 Montana games were at home. All against weak(er) competition, we will see if they can hold up on the road against some better teams.

[smilo]

Last year I got in trouble for ranking North Dakota, and this season I am going to get in trouble for ranking South Dakota.

Meh, guess I'll stop clinging to one halftime lead next week. There are quality teams that I wanted to rank but didn't.

[uofmman1122]

I don't think Montana should be above 4 or 5 at most until we prove we can beat a good team.

We've been through this dance too many times recently lol

[Grizalltheway]

I don't think Montana should be above 4 or 5 at most until we prove we can beat a good team.

We've been through this dance too many times recently lol
I tend to agree. But I haven't seen much so far to suggest we can't, other than our three toughest opponents being on the road, with one of them kicking off at 9 pm MST.

[uofmman1122]

I tend to agree. But I haven't seen much so far to suggest we can't, other than our three toughest opponents being on the road, with one of them kicking off at 9 pm MST.
I definitely think we can, but we haven't been able to prove we're a top tier team in over a decade. So as of right now, there are 2, maybe 3 teams with better resumes than us, and NDSU, which has proven it's the top team so many times.

If/when we beat Sac and Weber, we should rightfully move up to the top spot. I'm cool with those other teams being above us right now, though.

[Catbooster]

I don't think Montana should be above 4 or 5 at most until we prove we can beat a good team.

We've been through this dance too many times recently lol
I had them at #4 this week, basically in a tie with #5. They've done all you can ask so far - nothing to undermine the assumption they're good. On the other hand, the strength of schedule so far doesn't bolster the argument for them. They've shown they're a good team but I don't think they've proven they're a top 5 team yet (like many other teams so far - it's still early). This week's game isn't going to add much either.

And then there's my team. I've got them outside the top 10. The win at EWU is good, but I'm not sure how good EWU is this year. It looks to me like we're still trying to replace some talent lost from last year. I think we'll get there but not there yet. I'm eager to see how we do against UCD this weekend. This should be a better gauge since they played Weber and SDSU close.

[kdinva]

1: Montana Grizzlies
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
6: Sac State Hornets
7: Missouri State Bears
8: Holy Cross Crusaders
9: Incarnate Word Cardinals
10: Weber State Wildcats
11: Jackson State Tigers
12: Mercer Bears
13: Chattanooga Mocs
14: Richmond Spiders
15: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
16: Southern Illinois Salukis
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Furman Paladins
19: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Elon Phoenix
22: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
23: William & Mary Tribe
24: Austin Peay Governors
25: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks


The Most Significant Win: Elon Phoenix
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota Fighting Hawks

[JSUSoutherner]

Wow... what an Ivy League hater... :D
The Ivy League is about as deserving of being ranked as JSU and SHSU.

If you're never going to do the playoffs, get lost.

[nevadagriz]

If only Montana would have lost their first four games maybe their opponents would have a better record oh well dang.

[uofmman1122]

If only Montana would have lost their first four games maybe their opponents would have a better record oh well dang.
I feel you man, I’m just taking the long game. No sense in getting upset at rankings right now. If we’re undefeated at the end of the year and not #1, then I’m right there with you getting pissed. I think we’re getting a lot of respect just being #2 right now.