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mcveyrl
October 16th, 2007, 01:53 PM
Which was a more incredible run to the World Series:

'04 Red Sox - down 3 games to none in the ALCS with Rivera in the game OR
'07 Rockies - win 21 of 22 to go, including extra inning playoff game with San Diego where they were down by 2 going into the bottom half of the 13th.

I honestly don't know. The Sox beat their arch nemesis in pretty dramatic fashion so I would give them the edge in emotion, but statistically I think it's the Rockies. Perhaps fans of both or someone with a stronger opinion can convince me one way or the other.

EDIT: If you've got a different choice, fill that in, too.

UNHWildCats
October 16th, 2007, 01:56 PM
I chose the Red Sox because they so far are the only team to ever come back from 3-0 in an LCS when the Yankees needed just one more strike to win.

brownbear
October 16th, 2007, 02:04 PM
I would say the Rockies just because of how unlikely they were to even make the playoffs before (so far) winning 21 out of 22 games including winning the one-game playoff in the 13th inning.

I Bleed Purple
October 16th, 2007, 02:05 PM
To add, not only was it 21-22, but it wasn't as if the 14 of 15 to end the regular season put them 2 games ahead. They could NOT have lost any more than that one game in that fifteen game stretch or they wouldn't be in the playoffs. That averages to four series sweeps and a 2-1 series win.

That's what is amazing about it.

dungeonjoe
October 16th, 2007, 02:05 PM
I chose the Red Sox because they so far are the only team to ever come back from 3-0 in an LCS when the Yankees needed just one more strike to win.
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89Hen
October 16th, 2007, 02:10 PM
Rockies run was longer, but Red Sox down 0-3 is hard to top IMO.

bandl
October 16th, 2007, 02:15 PM
Won't matter too much anyways if the Rockies don't win at least 4 of their next 7 games. It'll just go down in history as a nice little run. So I'll go with the Sox right now...

poly51
October 16th, 2007, 02:16 PM
The Red Sox had to win 3 in a row to survive. The Rockies had to win 14 of 15 to survive. 3 in a row seems a lot easier.

89Hen
October 16th, 2007, 02:21 PM
The Red Sox had to win 3 in a row to survive. The Rockies had to win 14 of 15 to survive. 3 in a row seems a lot easier.
Their fault for getting so far behind... plus 7 of the the 14 were against the Dodgers who were laying down for everyone the last 6 weeks of the season.

mcveyrl
October 16th, 2007, 02:21 PM
The Red Sox had to win 3 in a row to survive. The Rockies had to win 14 of 15 to survive. 3 in a row seems a lot easier.

If the Red Sox were playing the A's, I would probably close the book on this now.

But they were playing the Yankees and were facing Mariano Rivera (at the time, the most money closer money could buy). I think that props it up a little.

mcveyrl
October 16th, 2007, 02:22 PM
Their fault for getting so far behind... plus 7 of the the 14 were against the Dodgers who were laying down for everyone the last 6 weeks of the season.

But 4 against the Padres (who they knew they had to beat every time) and 2 of 3 from the Diamondbacks (plus the series sweep).

UNHWildCats
October 16th, 2007, 03:43 PM
a few points to note here.

At no point was Colorado down to its final strike of the season. Also a number of the games werent must win as the oposition could have lost further down the line. The Red Sox won 4 strait under the pressure of a must win including being down to their final strike in game 4.

The Rockies havent really been challenged in the playoffs. Sure the playin game was tough, but they never faced the last strike of the season in that game.

bandl
October 16th, 2007, 03:57 PM
a few points to note here.

At no point was Colorado down to its final strike of the season. Also a number of the games werent must win as the oposition could have lost further down the line. The Red Sox won 4 strait under the pressure of a must win including being down to their final strike in game 4.

The Rockies havent really been challenged in the playoffs. Sure the playin game was tough, but they never faced the last strike of the season in that game.

No....sort of. They were two games behind the Padres, with two games remaining, and the Padres were one strike away from beating the Brewers in game 161 in the 9th inning, until Trevor Hoffman blew the save. The Brewers ended up winning that game in 11 innings. Had the Padres won, the Rockies would have been eliminated from the post-season. Thus, the Rockies were indirectly one strike away from the end of their season, at least in terms of a post-season. xreadx

Gil Dobie
October 16th, 2007, 04:36 PM
Between the 2 choices, Rockies hands down.
21 out of 22 is much, much more difficult than 3 in a row, anytime, anywhere. xthumbsupx

brownbear
October 16th, 2007, 05:19 PM
Remember the Rockies have won 10 in a row. Last time I checked, that's more than the 4 games in a row for the Red Sox to make the World Series.

mcveyrl
October 16th, 2007, 05:21 PM
Remember the Rockies have won 10 in a row. Last time I checked, that's more than the 4 games in a row for the Red Sox to make the World Series.

Yea, but at a certain point the playoff series wins don't really count against the Red Sox wins. Those were all must haves. There wasn't the same kind of pressure to win.

The only real elimination games the Rockies have faced was against the D-backs at the end of the year and the one-game playoff in San Diego.

CollegeSportsInfo
October 16th, 2007, 05:34 PM
I'd love to see Cleveland join the championship club they have missed out on for so long with 6 more wins, but I'll admit, I'd love to see history made in Colorado and in baseball.

* I believe if the Rockies were to win the world series, they would have won more games to do so than anyone else in baseball. adding that Play-in game versus San Diego, they would have won 12 games to win the title, 1 more than any previous champion (someone will have to double check my facts there).

* If Colorado could sweep the world Series, they would finish the season 25 of 26 and 12-0 in the playoffs.

UNHWildCats
October 16th, 2007, 05:41 PM
I'd love to see Cleveland join the championship club they have missed out on for so long with 6 more wins, but I'll admit, I'd love to see history made in Colorado and in baseball.

* I believe if the Rockies were to win the world series, they would have won more games to do so than anyone else in baseball. adding that Play-in game versus San Diego, they would have won 12 games to win the title, 1 more than any previous champion (someone will have to double check my facts there).

* If Colorado could sweep the world Series, they would finish the season 25 of 26 and 12-0 in the playoffs.


Technically the game with San Diego was a playoff game, though they would only be considered to have gone 11-0 in the playoffs. The one game playoff is attributed seperatly, and the stats from that game are counted with the regular season.

UNHWildCats
October 16th, 2007, 05:43 PM
Gil Dobie.... Minnesota in 1991? lol

If your gonna vote other, you gotta atleast tell us who so we can either agree or laugh :p

Grizalltheway
October 16th, 2007, 05:44 PM
Their fault for getting so far behind... plus 7 of the the 14 were against the Dodgers who were laying down for everyone the last 6 weeks of the season.

So it wasn't Boston's fault they went down 3-0? Bitter Phillies fan. xrolleyesx

BlueHen86
October 16th, 2007, 05:54 PM
I went with the Sox. Nobody had ever done it before and it was the Yankees their biggest rival. They also had to overcome the pressure of it being a playoff series, every game was televised on primetime TV, and the media was a constant presence.

The Rockies run is impressive, but they just didn't seem to be under the same strain.

brownbear
October 16th, 2007, 08:48 PM
Yea, but at a certain point the playoff series wins don't really count against the Red Sox wins. Those were all must haves. There wasn't the same kind of pressure to win.

The only real elimination games the Rockies have faced was against the D-backs at the end of the year and the one-game playoff in San Diego.

Yes, but if the Rockies had lost just one more game, they would have missed the playoffs, and San Diego would have been the wild card.

Ivytalk
October 16th, 2007, 08:58 PM
Rockies, hands down! 21 of 22? They're on the roll of all time. Bring it home for the NL, Mr. Hurdle!xbowx xbowx (And no, I posted this before reading Gil's post. He gets all the props!)

NDSUFREAK
October 17th, 2007, 12:17 AM
I chose the Red Sox because they so far are the only team to ever come back from 3-0 in an LCS when the Yankees needed just one more strike to win.

doesn't matter is the sox were down 3-2 in a series, you would vote for that one in greatest trip to the world series. xlolx xlolx xpeacex

UNHWildCats
October 17th, 2007, 12:20 AM
Lets also remember the 2004 red sox had the weight of 86 years of failure on their shoulders!

NDSUFREAK
October 17th, 2007, 12:32 AM
Lets also remember the 2004 red sox had the weight of 86 years of failure on their shoulders!

rockies have been a fail the entire time they have been a team. :p



but in all respect.....http://youtube.com/watch?v=H1szUC3ZiEo&mode=related&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=A9ZUK4Ci3cM&mode=related&search=

UNHWildCats
October 17th, 2007, 12:48 AM
rockies have been a fail the entire time they have been a team. :p



but in all respect.....http://youtube.com/watch?v=H1szUC3ZiEo&mode=related&search=
http://youtube.com/watch?v=A9ZUK4Ci3cM&mode=related&search=

Yea 14 years is a tough life.

brownbear
October 17th, 2007, 11:15 AM
Yea 14 years is a tough life.

The Red Sox have won six World Series titles out of 103 that have been played. That comes out to 17.167 years per title. This is the Rockies' 14th season, so they're about even.

CollegeSportsInfo
October 17th, 2007, 04:03 PM
Good point Brownbear. And when you factor in the regular season and even early round success the Red Sox have had over the years, including a multiple world series appearances in my lifetime, I give more credit to the teams that have never made it to the show at all. The Red Sox had an incredible 4 game run to win the ALCS in 2004 (and 4 more wins in the WS). But Colorado making it as a wildcard for the first time and not losing a game in the process (including a play-in game) is extremely impressive. They had to go on an incredible run just to squeak into the playoff picture by winning 13 of their final 14 games. Unreal.

brownbear
October 17th, 2007, 04:08 PM
Good point Brownbear. And when you factor in the regular season and even early round success the Red Sox have had over the years, including a multiple world series appearances in my lifetime, I give more credit to the teams that have never made it to the show at all. The Red Sox had an incredible 4 game run to win the ALCS in 2004 (and 4 more wins in the WS). But Colorado making it as a wildcard for the first time and not losing a game in the process (including a play-in game) is extremely impressive. They had to go on an incredible run just to squeak into the playoff picture by winning 13 of their final 14 games. Unreal.

Considering the Red Sox made it to Game 7 in the ALCS the previous year, it was an amazing feat, but it wasn't like they were completely unexpected to make the World Series.

minuteman65
October 17th, 2007, 04:34 PM
Sox.

1.) I'm a homer.

2.) Talk about having your backs to the wall. Down to the last inning, the night after losing 19-8, Roberts BARELY (and I mean BARELY) steals 2nd, and then Mueller ties it off of the greatest closer ever. Ensue heroics, Red Sox win. Enough said.

I Bleed Purple
October 17th, 2007, 04:42 PM
Yep, it takes three lines to get to "enough said" for the Red Sox in '04, but it takes about 6-8 lines to get to "enough said" for the Rockies. Advantage, Rockies.

minuteman65
October 17th, 2007, 04:58 PM
Well, yeah, that was one game. A lot of things had to go exactly right for the Sox to win that series.

Not that I'm taking anything away from what the Rockies did. I think their streak is amazing. I'm just more impressed by what the Sox did.

And I'm a homer.

AZGrizFan
October 17th, 2007, 05:47 PM
Well, yeah, that was one game. A lot of things had to go exactly right for the Sox to win that series.

Not that I'm taking anything away from what the Rockies did. I think their streak is amazing. I'm just more impressed by what the Sox did.

And I'm a homer.

How in the world could you be more impressed with a 4 game winning streak than winning 21 of 22. Prior to the last 7 games, if they'd lost even ONE MORE of the final 15 games of the regular season they wouldn't have even BEEN in the playoffs, let alone going to the WS. Yeah, the Sox had their backs against the wall for 4 games. The Rockies had their backs against the wall for 15. Including being down by 2 in the 13th inning of the play-in game, going against the game's (arguably) greatest closer.

In retrospect, I think what we've found about the Yankees of 2001 (Game 6)-2007 is that they just aren't all that. In reality, the Red Sox just ripped the scab off the wound the Diamondbacks had already exposed in 2001.

JoltinJoe
October 17th, 2007, 07:00 PM
I chose the Red Sox because they so far are the only team to ever come back from 3-0 in an LCS when the Yankees needed just one more strike to win.

And leading off the 9th, if the ump had called that third strike rather than give Millar a pass ...:(

I thought two of the pitches to Millar called balls were strikes but I hardly gave it a second thought at the time.

JoltinJoe
October 17th, 2007, 07:13 PM
In retrospect, I think what we've found about the Yankees of 2001 (Game 6)-2007 is that they just aren't all that.

Oh come, the Yanks came within a bloop hit and a freakish error of taking four straight World Series. As it is those Yankees are only one of four teams to win at least three consecutive World Series.

Those Yankees won 11 straight post-season series and but for a stroke of luck would have wn 12.

All I can say it was a good thing Luis Gonzales was on steroids because he needed all that extra strength to hit the ball 80 feet.xrotatehx

Probably will always be the cheapest winning World Series hit ever.

Mountain Panther
October 17th, 2007, 09:10 PM
Which was a more incredible run to the World Series:

'04 Red Sox - down 3 games to none in the ALCS with Rivera in the game.

I think that's pretty incredible.

AZGrizFan
October 17th, 2007, 09:27 PM
Oh come, the Yanks came within a bloop hit and a freakish error of taking four straight World Series. As it is those Yankees are only one of four teams to win at least three consecutive World Series.

Those Yankees won 11 straight post-season series and but for a stroke of luck would have wn 12.

All I can say it was a good thing Luis Gonzales was on steroids because he needed all that extra strength to hit the ball 80 feet.xrotatehx

Probably will always be the cheapest winning World Series hit ever.

Riiiiiiiiiiight.

And if not for back-back implosions by one of YOUR boys (B.K. "I suck" Kim), we've never have had the need to GET to Gonzo's hit. Point is....since our 15-2 WAXING of the Yanks in game 6, they simply haven't been the same. They were exposed...the emperor has no clothes....and yeah, Gonzo's hit ain't no Joe Carter walk-off, but it all counts in the record books.... xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx

JoltinJoe
October 18th, 2007, 01:56 PM
Gonzo's hit ain't no Joe Carter walk-off, but it all counts in the record books....

With an * -- "80-foot steroid-aided hit." Good thing he was a cheater.

I've seen more impressive displays from kindergarten kids hitting off tees xrolleyesx

NE MT GRIZZ
October 19th, 2007, 01:57 PM
All I can say it was a good thing Luis Gonzales was on steroids because he needed all that extra strength to hit the ball 80 feet.xrotatehx



Joe,

Home plate to 2nd base is 127 feet 3 3/8 inches.
That ball went AT LEAST 135 feet
:D :D

LacesOut
October 19th, 2007, 02:24 PM
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Rockies.