Best QB in the FCS?

[DOME]

My vote goes to a corn fed Iowa boy named Eric Sanders.
76.5% completion rating, 1,138yds 6tds + 3 rushing tds. What I don't like is 4 interceptions at this point, though I know one wasn't his fault (ball bounced off a receiver's facemask at Drake when it should've been caught for a td)

I know there are pry some better but I'm curious who...

[Seahawks Fan]

Check Josh Johnson's (SD) stats.

[citdog]

Cadet Duran Lawson should also get a look.

[appfan2008]

the guy down at georgia southern is incredible especially on the ground...

and as homer asu has(when healthy) the best tandem in fcs hands down

[ChickenMan]

He may not be the best all-around QB in the FCS.. but the best passer and pro prospect is probaly Delaware's... Joe Flacco.

[mrklean]

Jayson Foster Hands down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#4 QB GSU

[CID1990]

There are two QB's in FCS with better rushing numbers than Jayson Foster.

[FargoBison]

I may as well climb to the top of homerkota hill and say that Steve Walker is the best QB in the FCS.

[USDFAN_55]

I guess this thread is going to be a bunch of homers listing their team's QB.xnodx
I would say that either Sanders, Johnson, or Santos are the top QBs in the FCS. Sanders is probably edging the other two out right now, but it's really hard to say, afterall Johnson's QB rating is a mind boggling 243.xeekx

[saluki_in_ohio]

Nick Hill at SIU.

[mlbowl]

HOMERS.....OK, I'll bite...Cole Berquistxnodx

[UNHWildCats]

Check Josh Johnson's (SD) stats.
play someone already!

[Mr. C]

He may not be the best all-around QB in the FCS.. but the best passer and pro prospect is probaly Delaware's... Joe Flacco.

Josh Johnson is rated higher by most of the scouts from what I've been told. He has much more mobility and is seen as having more room to grow.

[GSUhooligan]

There are two QB's in FCS with better rushing numbers than Jayson Foster.

Who? http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=5&rpt=IAA_playerrush&site=org

[danefan]

Johnson is probably the best QB in FCS, regardless of the schedule he plays. He's good. He'll be a second/third round draft pick this year.

[FargoBison]

Johnson is probably the best QB in FCS, regardless of the schedule he plays. He's good. He'll be a second/third round draft pick this year.

Johnson is the best Pro Prospect in the FCS but I have hard time calling him the best QB with the schedule USD plays.

[danefan]

Johnson is the best Pro Prospect in the FCS but I have hard time calling him the best QB with the schedule USD plays.

Fair enough.

[USDFAN_55]

Johnson is the best Pro Prospect in the FCS but I have hard time calling him the best QB with the schedule USD plays.

All he does is make plays. He gets ridiculed for puting up huge nembers on these poor teams, and he gets ridiculed for not playing better teams (which he can't control). Regardless of competition, his numbers are staggering. 81% completion percentage! 0 INTs! 16 TDs! xeekx xnodx

[ChickenMan]

Josh Johnson is rated higher by most of the scouts from what I've been told. He has much more mobility and is seen as having more room to grow.

I haven't seen enough of Johnson to comment.. but I've seen plenty of Flacco and he has without question.. the strongest and most accurate arm I've ever seen at UD.

[FargoBison]

Fair enough.

I will say its a shame USD doesn't take on a Montana or NDSU to see how he would do against a tough defense in a tough environment. A guy with the talent Johnson has deserves a shot to prove what he's got against top caliber competition. Its just too bad it won't happen in the FCS but at least he'll get his shot in the NFL.

[ElonPride]

Best freshman QB would have to be Scott Riddle of Elon.

[slostang]

The top 5 would have to include:

Armanti Edwards
Ricky Santos
Eric Sanders
Steve Walker
Josh Johnson

I think Jayson Foster is one of the best, if not the best, athletes in the FCS, but not quite the passer that the above five are.

[Brad82]

Ricky Santos
Liam Coen

[slostang]

I will say its a shame USD doesn't take on a Montana or NDSU to see how he would do against a tough defense in a tough environment. A guy with the talent Johnson has deserves a shot to prove what he's got against top caliber competition. Its just too bad it won't happen in the FCS but at least he'll get his shot in the NFL.

I think that NDSU is one of the best teams in the FCS, but their pass defense has given up a lot of yards to mobile QBs with good arms (SFA and SHS). I think that Josh Johnson fits that mold. The thing that Josh may not have that the other QBs had is a supporting cast around him to compete against NDSU.

I am sure just about every coach in the FCS would like to have Josh Johnson on their team. The guy has awesome talent.

[CID1990]

Who? http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=5&rpt=IAA_playerrush&site=org

Sorry, he passed them this week.

[blueballs]

Foster's overall stats... I don't see how anybody can say somebody else is better and especially more valuable...

rating c a i pct yds td long per game
Passing 143.18 39-54-3 72.2 449 2 81 112.2

att gain loss net avg td long per game
Rushing 82 840 50 790 9.6 13 74 197.5

att net avg td long
Punt returns 7 47 6.7 0 17


...but the Payton will go to Sanders (who is great and very deserving) if his team finishes ranked #1.

[GSUhooligan]

Sorry, he passed them this week.

How did he pass them this week when he rushed for 1/3 of the yards he rushed for in the previous 3 weeks?

[Slackjaw]

santos
johnson
walker

In that order

[BisonBacker]

I can't believe you are having this conversation without bringing up arguably the best in FCS in Rhett Bomar. That guy will play in the NFL no questions asked.

[ncbears]

All he does is make plays. He gets ridiculed for puting up huge nembers on these poor teams, and he gets ridiculed for not playing better teams (which he can't control). Regardless of competition, his numbers are staggering. 81% completion percentage! 0 INTs! 16 TDs! xeekx xnodx

Johnson killed us.

[Eaglesrus]

Sorry, he passed them this week.

Others have pointed out your error, but serious question; what qbs did you think had out-rushed Foster at any point this season, and where did you get it from?

[wapiti]

Brian White of Portland state.
His numbers from the EWU game:
PSU QB Brian White completed 29-of-37 passes for
329 yards and three touchdowns. In his last three games, White has completed 91-of-137
passes for 1,100 yards. White was sacked just once last Saturdayxthumbsupx

[JDC325]

The top 5 would have to include:

Armanti Edwards
Ricky Santos
Eric Sanders
Steve Walker
Josh Johnson

I think Jayson Foster is one of the best, if not the best, athletes in the FCS, but not quite the passer that the above five are.

HOMER ALERT:
Agreed but who says you have to be a top ten passer to be a great QB in college? As far as the NFL no doubt and Foster is not near the top of the list in NFL QB prospects. BTW he just went 10/10. At this level it is about total offense and point producing and Foster can put a team on his back all by himself can you really say that about those other guys?

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

As a passer it's hard to argue against Sanders with his completion percentage (and UNI's strength-of-schedule at this point of the season as as good as anyone's).

Foster is the best for rushing yards and no other QB comes close...and as of right now he has all of the runningbacks in the FCS beat in rushing yards. It's just too hard to compare him to passing QB's though.

[gsugt1]

How did he pass them this week when he rushed for 1/3 of the yards he rushed for in the previous 3 weeks?
It's magic :)

[HIU 93]

Armanti Edwards, when healthy.

[GSUhooligan]

It's magic :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QmSYOqUiYI

[Gil Dobie]

I may as well climb to the top of homerkota hill and say that Steve Walker is the best QB in the FCS.

If the games on the line, I'd go with Walker too, aka UC Davis & Ball St 2006, and Sam Houston 2007.

[mcveyrl]

I can't be a homer here as I don't think that Rodney Landers has faced enough good competition to be considered, but he has performed well.

I have seen Santos this year on TV and, despite a couple of interceptions he was very impressive.

The other QB I've seen is Antwon Young of Villanova and he is going to be a force to be reckoned with in a couple of years. Despite constant pressure we could not sack him!!

I also saw Flacco last year and he was very impressive. When I saw him I gave most of the credit to Ben Patrick, but I think now that the credit was partially misplaced. He's a great passer.

But, looking at just the stats (including wins) I'd probably have to go with Edwards or Johnson.

[UNHFan99]

Ricky Santos, Joe Flacco, and then Johnson in that order. Ricky is best QB Ive seen. Flacco might have the better arm but Ricky's touch is unmatched and his arm is still strong anyway. He throws a very catchable ball which I think some people determine as a weak throw. Johnson and Flacco might get drafted ahead of Ricky on pure potential to become NFL players but the best college player is easily Ricky Santos.

[CCU97]

OK....here are the stats from Yahoo Sports...

Name College Games QB Rating Att Comp Comp % Yds Yds/G Yds/A TD Int

Josh Johnson SD 3 243.1 89 72 80.9 1090 363.3 12.2 16 0
Eric Sanders UNI 5 157.9 132 101 76.5 1138 227.6 8.6 6 4
Joe Flacco Del 5 166 136 98 72.1 1333 266.6 9.8 6 2
Steve Walker NDSU 4 168 95 68 71.6 911 227.8 9.6 7 4
Ricky Santos UNH 4 151.5 149 106 71.1 1159 289.8 7.8 8 2
Nick Hill SIU 5 190.9 110 78 70.9 1060 212 9.6 13 0


Jayson Foster GSU 4 143.2 54 39 72.2 449 112.2 8.3 2 3
Rodney Landers JMU 5 165.3 99 70 70.7 927 185.4 9.4 6 2


Rushing
Games Att Yds Yds/G Yds/A TD
Jayson Foster GSU 4 82 790 197.5 9.6 13
Rodney Landers JMU 5 76 393 78.6 5.2 6

[CCU97]

All this will show is that it depends on if you want a running QB or a passing QB....plus it doesn't show the level of comp they played against.....

[wapiti]

OK....here are the stats from Yahoo Sports...

Name College Games QB Rating Att Comp Comp % Yds Yds/G Yds/A TD Int

Josh Johnson SD 3 243.1 89 72 80.9 1090 363.3 12.2 16 0
Eric Sanders UNI 5 157.9 132 101 76.5 1138 227.6 8.6 6 4
Joe Flacco Del 5 166 136 98 72.1 1333 266.6 9.8 6 2
Steve Walker NDSU 4 168 95 68 71.6 911 227.8 9.6 7 4
Ricky Santos UNH 4 151.5 149 106 71.1 1159 289.8 7.8 8 2
Nick Hill SIU 5 190.9 110 78 70.9 1060 212 9.6 13 0


Jayson Foster GSU 4 143.2 54 39 72.2 449 112.2 8.3 2 3
Rodney Landers JMU 5 165.3 99 70 70.7 927 185.4 9.4 6 2


Rushing
Games Att Yds Yds/G Yds/A TD
Jayson Foster GSU 4 82 790 197.5 9.6 13
Rodney Landers JMU 5 76 393 78.6 5.2 6



Does Brian White of Portland State deserve to be in this company??

[pantherfan]

Ricky Santos, Joe Flacco, and then Johnson in that order. Ricky is best QB Ive seen. Flacco might have the better arm but Ricky's touch is unmatched and his arm is still strong anyway. He throws a very catchable ball which I think some people determine as a weak throw. Johnson and Flacco might get drafted ahead of Ricky on pure potential to become NFL players but the best college player is easily Ricky Santos.

I disagree. The best college QB is UNI's Eric Sanders. Not the best arm, not the fastest, but he has the heart and attitude. I've seen Santos, and he is a piece of work IMHO.xeyebrowx

[JMU2K_DukeDawg]

I haven't seen enough of Johnson to comment.. but I've seen plenty of Flacco and he has without question.. the strongest and most accurate arm I've ever seen at UD.

Don't tell that to GannonFan! :p xlolx

[CCU97]

Does Brian White of Portland State deserve to be in this company??

The reason he wasn't on this list was comp % of 64....all of these guys are at 70%+ and more than a handful of throws....

There are 11 other QBs with higher completion% and a decent amount of attempts....accuracy is a key factor to being a good QB....just because you lead FCS in yards doesn't say much if it is because all your team does is throw and you don't complete a large part of them....plus his 6-5 TD to INT ratio goes to show a little more of what type of QB he really is....one who happens to be in a pass first offense who isn't that good....

[CCU97]

In no particular order...

Johnson, Sanders, and Flacco for arms.....Santos is maybe 4 or 5

and no doubt the best athlete is Jayson Foster....just not QB

[yorkcountyUNHfan]

I disagree. The best college QB is UNI's Eric Sanders. Not the best arm, not the fastest, but he has the heart and attitude. I've seen Santos, and he is a piece of work IMHO.xeyebrowx

I don't speak mid-western so you'll have to let me know what you mean by that.

[JayJ79]

My vote goes to a corn fed Iowa boy named Eric Sanders.
76.5% completion rating, 1,138yds 6tds + 3 rushing tds. What I don't like is 4 interceptions at this point, though I know one wasn't his fault (ball bounced off a receiver's facemask at Drake when it should've been caught for a td)

Two of his 4 interceptions were accurate passes that the receiver tipped into the air, which a defender ended up catching.

Is Sanders the BEST qb? Dunno, 'tis all a matter of opinion. But he definitely has talent and a winning attitude. He might not rack up the stats, as he has some pretty good RBs to hand off to as well. But I'd certainly like to see him win the Payton Award.

[BDKJMU]

Who? http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=5&rpt=IAA_playerrush&site=org

Look who's the 3rd leading QB rusher in I-AA, Rodney Landers, and is completing about 71% of his passes (if a couple of his receivers weren't semi scissorshands it would be over 75%)

[JmuSkinsfan]

Look who's the 3rd leading QB rusher in I-AA, Rodney Landers, and is completing about 71% of his passes (if a couple of his receivers weren't semi scissorshands it would be over 75%)

It's also hard to praise Landers on his stats alone. He put up 300 yards passing and 70 rushing and 4 tds last week against Villanova when he played the whole game. He also put up 371 total yards and multiple TDs against UNH...the only two games he played against FCS teams where he played all 4 quarters...

He only played 3 quarters against VMI and CCU.

He will be considered one of the top QBs in FCS by the end of the year. Plus he is only a junior with 5 starts under his belt. He will improve, and as conference play begins he will get more and more PT and his stats will improve.

[BDKJMU]

It's also hard to praise Landers on his stats alone. He put up 300 yards passing and 70 rushing and 4 tds last week against Villanova when he played the whole game. He also put up 371 total yards and multiple TDs against UNH...the only two games he played against FCS teams where he played all 4 quarters...

He only played 3 quarters against VMI and CCU.

He will be considered one of the top QBs in FCS by the end of the year. Plus he is only a junior with 5 starts under his belt. He will improve, and as conference play begins he will get more and more PT and his stats will improve.

Yep- only 2 picks, both in 1st game against UNC, one of which was tipped. Improving EVERY game.

[KAUMASS]

There are 5-8 guys that could be labeled best QB. Some can run, some can pass, some do both well. My top 2 all-around are Santos and Edwards, because they can hurt you on the ground and in the air. My vote for the best QB for the year will be for the QB for whatever team wins the FCS Championship.

Who fits the pro mould and gets drafted this year should be discussed in another thread.

[GreatAppSt]

Mr. Flacco and he resides at UD.xnodx

[UNHWildCats]

Johnson killed us.


Who hasnt killed you? xlolx xlolx xlolx

[BDKJMU]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/sortables?year=2007&sort=rat&stat=pass&group=81

[Cap'n Cat]

Sanders, hands down.

[McNeese_beat]

Judging from the NCAA stats, Derrick Fourroux should be in the conversation. I bet he's also a better runner than many who have been mentioned.

[MSUBear42]

Either Nick Hill of SIU or Eric Sanders of UNI...

In 3-4 years: Cody Kirby of MSU.

[Cobblestone]

Santos from UNH gets my vote.

[blackfordpu]

You guys can argue all you want about the best QB now but at the end of the year Rhett Bomar will be the man.:)

[seantaylor]

There are two QB's in FCS with better rushing numbers than Jayson Foster.

No there's not.

[patssle]

I can't believe you are having this conversation without bringing up arguably the best in FCS in Rhett Bomar. That guy will play in the NFL no questions asked.

Man it takes 2 Bearkats to be homers other than you to mention Bomar.

Though Bomar has only had 1 real game. The other 3 are not very good to go by stats on...D2 and FBS.

He'll prove himself in conference...no need for me to hype him up.

[katstrapper]

I can't believe you are having this conversation without bringing up arguably the best in FCS in Rhett Bomar. That guy will play in the NFL no questions asked.

None of this bunch has seen him in person nor will they. He is a special player.

[Purple For Life]

You guys can argue all you want about the best QB now but at the end of the year Rhett Bomar will be the man.:)

Wasn't he at Oklahoma?? xconfusedx

[USDFAN_55]

Wasn't he at Oklahoma?? xconfusedx

Yeah, until he got busted for "working" at a car dealership and being paid a large amount of money. Sounds like the kid has integrity.xcoolx

[FargoBison]

Yeah, until he got busted for "working" at a car dealership and being paid a large amount of money. Sounds like the kid has integrity.xcoolx

To be fair Bomar has cleaned up his act and seems to be not only an solid QB but person as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/28/sports/ncaafootball/28college.html

[Retro]

None of this bunch has seen him in person nor will they. He is a special player.

We'll see what happens when he plays a real defense on oct 13th!xeekx

[katstrapper]

We'll see what happens when he plays a real defense on oct 13th!xeekx

xboringx

[rcny46]

I don't speak mid-western so you'll have to let me know what you mean by that.

I was wondering what he meant by " a piece of work" as well.

[GaSouthern]

Bomar is no doubt a good QB, but he cant play like Santos IMO.

I'll go with Santos in the Air, Foster on the ground.

[Jag4Life]

BRYANT LEE!!!!!

[813Jag]

BRYANT LEE!!!!!
He's still young, if he can keep improving he'll be on the list for sure. The kid is a winner and he does all he can to help the team. He's only started 8 games so he's doing well considering that fact.

[Jag4Life]

He's still young, if he can keep improving he'll be on the list for sure. The kid is a winner and he does all he can to help the team. He's only started 8 games so he's doing well considering that fact.

Well, It doesn't matter young or not. He is playing ball, he has thrown for over 1,000 yards, with 3 interceptions with a good pass percentage. He thrown those 3 last week against Bama State and those were when WRs tipped the ball in the air. AAMU is having problems with their secondary.

[813Jag]

Well, It doesn't matter young or not. He is playing ball, he has thrown for over 1,000 yards, with 3 interceptions with a good pass percentage. He thrown those 3 last week against Bama State and those were when WRs tipped the ball in the air. AAMU is having problems with their secondary.
You missed my point. His numbers are good and they'll only get better. But that comes from making better decisions with the ball and QBs learn that thru expirence. I liked Lee since high school, he's going to be one of the best QBs at Southern by the time he's finished.
Against AAMU he'll have to read the blitz and get the ball off quickly, look for a lot of quick slants especially to Roberts or Landry. I expect a big game from those two. xreadx

[seahawkfan2007]

Josh Johnson!

[Kill'em]

We've heard all season that Foster is a one-man show. Georgia Southern is 3-1 and Foster has been doing most of the scoring by himself. Isn't that worthy of consideration? He is literally carrying the team.

[McNeese75]

None of this bunch has seen him in person nor will they. He is a special player.

xboringx xcoffeex

[HensRock]

There are two QB's in FCS with better rushing numbers than Jayson Foster.

xoopsx I challenge you to find 2 RUNNING backs with better rushing numbers than Jayson Foster! xbowx

And no, he didn't just get passed. The only time he "lagged" was after Week 1, when GSU was idle.

[pantherfan]

I don't speak mid-western so you'll have to let me know what you mean by that.

It means that he is a cocky SOB; but a good QB nonetheless. I prefer a kid who isn't full of himself...xnodx

[yorkcountyUNHfan]

It means that he is a cocky SOB; but a good QB nonetheless. I prefer a kid who isn't full of himself...xnodx

And that assessment is based on...?

[JayJ79]

It means that he is a cocky SOB; but a good QB nonetheless. I prefer a kid who isn't full of himself...xnodx

Can't say that I've ever gotten that vibe about him.
Granted, I don't know him personally or anything.
But if he was truly a cocky SOB, it would have come through in the local media or in his interviews.

[CCU97]

We've heard all season that Foster is a one-man show. Georgia Southern is 3-1 and Foster has been doing most of the scoring by himself. Isn't that worthy of consideration? He is literally carrying the team.


I'm still from the old school when it comes to QBs...I think they should pass first and run second.....

However, having seen Foster play....as I stated earlier he is the best athlete....his passing skills are improving with each game!

[BisonBacker]

The Homer in me says Steve Walker but if your going to go by overall package No way I'd pick anyone over Bomar.

[98chev]

Rehett Bomar of sam houston. I thought he was hyped up way to much until I saw him play up hear three weekends ago and that guy could hit any thing he wanted and he could scramble like what reminded me of vince young. I was really impressed. Oh and I would throw steve walker in the debate. He has some good stats again this year.

[blackfordpu]

xboringx xcoffeex

You just wait, you'll get your turn.

[touchdown]

Josh Johnson- USD
We think his stats are mind boggiling and to think he very seldom ever plays in the 4th quarter, so when the season is over he puts up numbers in the equivelent of 9 games to everyone elses 11/12, just a thought?

[skinny_uncle]

dreaded double post

[skinny_uncle]

I'll take Nick Hill at this point. 71%, 1060 yards, 13 TDs, 0 INTs, rating 190.85
Not bad for a guy who has been a spectator in the fourth quarter every game except the NIU game.

[McNeese75]

You just wait, you'll get your turn.

xnodx Damn Straight we will. RB better be in shape because his is going to be running for his life that night xlolx

[Jag4Life]

You missed my point. His numbers are good and they'll only get better. But that comes from making better decisions with the ball and QBs learn that thru expirence. I liked Lee since high school, he's going to be one of the best QBs at Southern by the time he's finished.
Against AAMU he'll have to read the blitz and get the ball off quickly, look for a lot of quick slants especially to Roberts or Landry. I expect a big game from those two. xreadx

Um, Del and Gerard aren't the only ones. You have Darren who can also catch the ball. Juamorris as well but they say AAMU has not done a good job of putting pressure on QBs and the secondary is struggling. OH WELL, we will see.

[patssle]

xnodx Damn Straight we will. RB better be in shape because his is going to be running for his life that night xlolx

Should be a fun game. You guys got a strong defensive line...but we got a strong offensive line. Only gave up 2 sacks to OSU...who is undoubtable better than McNeese.

I'll be making the trip to Lake Charles for sure!

[JmuSkinsfan]

I mean Rhett Bomar was one of the top rated QBs in his class going into FBS....and he would still be a top FBS QB if he didn't screw up outside of football. For him NOT to be considered the best in 1-AA is a joke...the guys going to the pros....no doubt about that...

That being said, Bomar is in a class of his own, because not only was he a 1-A transfer, he was young and going to be a starter....not like most transfer QBs who are looking at backup rolls and want PT at a smaller school

[GeauxLions94]

Best now - Santos


Best ever -
http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2006/08/12/PH2006081200083.jpg

[NDSUFREAK]

If he wins games but doesn't put up the stats then Steve Walker is your man.

[pantherfan]

And that assessment is based on...?

My opinion. Watch the tape of 2005 UNI @ UNH for several prime examples...;)

[CCU97]

I have a dificult time bringing Bomar into the discussion.....his comp % of 56.9% isn't eye popping....and 182 rushing yards doesn't make him great eather....so he has a strong arm and is slightly mobile....it doesn't make him the best....not even close if we are using stats to back this thread....maybe he doesn't have the best receivers in FCS and that is the difference....maybe SHSt has a tougher SOS than some earlier mentioned QBs....but completing your passes is the number one clue to me that a QB is good....if you don't have touch to go along with that cannon arm...you are no better than Michael Vick....a guy with a gun and nobody that can catch it, That makes you average at best.....The best QB is the guy who can get the ball to his receivers where they can catch it the best and hopefully has some mobility as well!

[JohnStOnge]

I mean Rhett Bomar was one of the top rated QBs in his class going into FBS....and he would still be a top FBS QB if he didn't screw up outside of football. For him NOT to be considered the best in 1-AA is a joke...the guys going to the pros....no doubt about that...

That being said, Bomar is in a class of his own, because not only was he a 1-A transfer, he was young and going to be a starter....not like most transfer QBs who are looking at backup rolls and want PT at a smaller school

I think it's very possible that Bomar would not be starting for Oklahoma right now if he'd stayed there. His stats really weren't that great when he started there. I can't get to the stats right now (NCAA statistics Archive isn't working) but he was way down the list...I believe maybe something around 70th...in I-A passing ratings that year. People seem to forget that he started for Oklahoma during a down year for the Sooners and just wasn't all that impressive. People make a big deal about him being QB when the Sooners beat Oregon in their Bowl game but it wasn't because of scintillating offense. The score was 17-14.

Yes, he was the top rated recruit at QB by some services coming out of high school. And from what I can tell by what he's done so far in FCS he's good at this level. But I don't think it's valid to assume that he's the best in the subdivision because he was a highly rated recruit and put up unimpressive statistics while starting for Oklahoma. Especially when he's rated 45th in FCS passing efficiency right now. Yes, you can say he played North Dakota State and Oklahoma State. But he also had games against Arkansas Monticello and Angelo State...two D-IIs that have records of 2-3 and 1-3 right now.

He's ranked #1 in passing yardage in the Southland right now. But he's ranked number 6 among starters in that league in passing efficiency.

No way people should be talking, at this point, about him being among the best in FCS based on what they expect of him. What he's actually done isn't bad, but no way it puts him in the conversation about being among the best. No way he'd be in the conversation if it wasn't for coming in with a reputation.

[JohnStOnge]

Should be a fun game. You guys got a strong defensive line...but we got a strong offensive line. Only gave up 2 sacks to OSU...who is undoubtable better than McNeese.

I'll be making the trip to Lake Charles for sure!

Every game is different. I think South Carolina's better than Oklahoma State. Georgia probably thinks so too.

Against South Carolina, the University of Louisiana at Lafayette had 252 rushing yards, averaged 5.4 yards per carry, wasn't sacked, completed 63 percent of its passes, and wasn't intercepted. Against McNeese the Cajuns had
156 yards rushing, averaged 3.4 yards per carry, were sacked 3 times, completed 46 percent of their passes, and had 4 passes intercepted.

You just never know. The "little" Cowboys may indeed show a better pass rush against your boys than the "big" ones did.

[JohnStOnge]

I mean Rhett Bomar was one of the top rated QBs in his class going into FBS....and he would still be a top FBS QB if he didn't screw up outside of football.

I've just got to ask this:

What do you mean he would still be a top FBS QB? He wasn't a top FBS QB. He really wasn't. Maybe he would have become one if he hadn't gotten in trouble. But he was by no stretch of the imagination somebody being mentioned...or somebody who should have been being mentioned...as one of the top I-A quarterbacks when he was playing in that subdivision.

There's a big difference between being at the top of the recruiting list and ending up being at the actual top in terms of what players actually do in college football. There are plenty of examples of players that didn't live up to the expectations that surrounded them when they were recruited.

[Stang Fever]

Check Josh Johnson's (SD) stats.
Yeah I bet his stats have come against against some of the best teams in all of FCS.

Or maybe those stats have come up against the better 70th percent of all of FCS. That there would be great.

[USDFAN_55]

Yeah I bet his stats have come against against some of the best teams in all of FCS.

Or maybe those stats have come up against the better 70th percent of all of FCS. That there would be great.

The NFL scouts see past his competition, and that is all that matters.xnodx

[patssle]

No way people should be talking

Funny how the ones that are doing the talking are the ones that have seen him play...not just Bearkat fans.

Exact same thing to before the NDSU game...people who hadn't seen the Bearkats play were expecting us to get blown out. But those who had seen us play knew otherwise.

[Stang Fever]

The NFL scouts see past his competition, and that is all that matters.xnodx

The Problem is that you equate being the best FCS QB by being a HIGH DRAFT PICK or high on NFL watch list. Which is just not the case.

When will the USD fans wake up and smell the roses. Inorder to be the best you have to play the best!!!!!

Santos would win over Johnson anyday in a poll of who is the best, not who is the best NFL prospect.

Santos has played WAaayyyyyyy better teams, while USD over the course of 4 seasons can say that there best wins are over Northen Colorado, or Dayton. or someother cream puff.(yeah this might sound like me sounding off but I am trying to be frankly honest with you.)

[USDFAN_55]

The Problem is that you equate being the best FCS QB by being a HIGH DRAFT PICK or high on NFL watch list. Which is just not the case.

When will the USD fans wake up and smell the roses. Inorder to be the best you have to play the best!!!!!

Santos would win over Johnson anyday in a poll of who is the best, not who is the best NFL prospect.

Santos has played WAaayyyyyyy better teams, while USD over the course of 4 seasons can say that there best wins are over Northen Colorado, or Dayton. or someother cream puff.(yeah this might sound like me sounding off but I am trying to be frankly honest with you.)

Being a top prospect does mean something. These scouts get paid to analyze talent, and they obviously see more in Johnson than others. You need to take your blinders off and see the talent for what it is. Like I've said before... all JJ does is go out and make plays.... and all you guys do is hate..... The title of this thread is the best FCS QB, which can be determined by a multitude of factors. Going by stats and NFL prospect status Johnson is better than Santos.

In order to be the best you have to play the best???xeekx What a bunch of bullxnonox .... McNair didn't play against the best, yet he was considered one of the best in the whole nationxnodx Once again, another person that hates everything about San Diego for no reason. Give me a break buddy. Better by the competition you play? It may make it easier to detemine talent, but it is not the only thing. I guess that is why you are not a talent scoutxthumbsupx

[blackfordpu]

I have a dificult time bringing Bomar into the discussion.....his comp % of 56.9% isn't eye popping....and 182 rushing yards doesn't make him great eather....so he has a strong arm and is slightly mobile....it doesn't make him the best....not even close if we are using stats to back this thread....maybe he doesn't have the best receivers in FCS and that is the difference....maybe SHSt has a tougher SOS than some earlier mentioned QBs....but completing your passes is the number one clue to me that a QB is good....if you don't have touch to go along with that cannon arm...you are no better than Michael Vick....a guy with a gun and nobody that can catch it, That makes you average at best.....The best QB is the guy who can get the ball to his receivers where they can catch it the best and hopefully has some mobility as well!

The Kat receivers are very young and yes, they did/do drop their share of balls. If you take away the drops I'd bet that his completion would be above 65%.

[VT Wildcat Fan53]

Santos - End of Discussion.

His body of work over 4 years is simply the best. 3-0 vs FBS, 1 Payton in his pocket, missed a 2nd as a sophomore by something like 5 points, and his performances this year may rival his best, despite the 2-2 early season record.... I bet Delaware is really excited about coming into ancient Cowell Stadium this Saturday. The Legend of Santos lives on, .....

[SirApp]

Lol, biggest homer thread ever.

[GolfingGriz]

The Kat receivers are very young and yes, they did/do drop their share of balls. If you take away the drops I'd bet that his completion would be above 65%.

And if receivers caught everything that touched their hands offenses would never be stopped. Im sure he is a good qb, but i expected his completion percentage to be higher.

[CCU97]

The Kat receivers are very young and yes, they did/do drop their share of balls. If you take away the drops I'd bet that his completion would be above 65%.

If you take away the drops from most QBs their completion precentage would be 65%....35% are just bad passes and throwing the ball away...if the % is higher than 70% you have a good QB....it means they can find the open receiver and get the ball to him in a mannner that he can catch! 56% just isn't even worth discussing.....I mean Will Richardson for CCU has a 57% rate...and we think he sucks!

[patssle]

And if receivers caught everything that touched their hands offenses would never be stopped. Im sure he is a good qb, but i expected his completion percentage to be higher.

I havn't seen other schools or our school before this year drop passes like we are this year. We are in another dimension of dropping passes.

[spelunker64]

11 Walker, Steve
18 Mertens, Nick
3 Parsons, Ryan
10 Brecke, Mitch


xsmiley_wix xsmiley_wix xsmiley_wix

[PDXCat]

Here are the top qb's ranked in order of draft position at this point by a pretty respected nfl draft website. I know some have said that draft potential doesn't equal "best qb in the FCS" but it is interesting. The numbers are projected round of draft, ht., wt., 40 time. The last couple of years about 10-12 qb's have been taken in the draft and about that same amount have signed fa contracts. This is not considered a very strong qb year.


1 Woodson, Andre' Kentucky 1 6-5 224 4.78
2 Brohm, Brian Louisville 1 6-3 227 4.79
3 Ryan, Matt Boston College 1 6-5 224 4.82
4 Booty, John David Southern Cal 1 6-3 210 4.92
5 Henne, Chad Michigan 1-2 6-2 225 5.18
6 Brennan, Colt Hawaii 1-2 6-3 205 4.79
7 Ainge, Erik Tennessee 2 6-6 223 5.06
8 Flynn, Matt LSU 3-4 6-2 228 4.68
9 Dixon, Dennis Oregon 3-4 6-4 205 4.58
10 Johnson, Josh San Diego 4 6-3 198 4.74
11 Keller, Sam Nebraska 4-5 6-3 228 4.89
12 Flacco, Joe Delaware 5 6-6 236 4.92
13 Smith, Paul Tulsa 6 6-1 198 4.93
14 Santos, Ricky New Hampshire 6-7 6-1 215 4.92
15 Morelli, Anthony Penn State 7 6-4 225 4.93
16 Ostrander, T.C. Stanford 7-FA 6-2 221 4.92
17 Brink, Alex Washington State 7-FA 6-2 212 4.86
18 Wright, Kyle Miami 6-4 220 4.78
19 Adams, Seth Mississippi 6-4 224 5.16
20 Mitchell, Blake South Carolina 6-2 215 4.78
21 Young, Jeremy Southern Miss 6-3 215 4.67
22 Breazeale, Dominic Northern Colorado 6-6 252 5.10
23 Cox, Brandon Auburn 6-2 205 4.82
24 Tafralis, Adam San Jose State 6-2 230 4.86
25 Hanie, Caleb Colorado State 6-2 232 4.96

[CID1990]

How did he pass them this week when he rushed for 1/3 of the yards he rushed for in the previous 3 weeks?

I was looking for the site where I read the stats and can't find it. I remember that the guy from Middle Tenn and one other were ahead of him in rushing going into week 4.

[spelunker64]

Best in College and Best for the NFL are two different things

[Khan4Cats]

Best in College and Best for the NFL are two different things

Yeah, Kurt Warner did not even start at UNI until his senior year. Didn't get a crack at the NFL until he had several Arena seasons and an NFL Europe trip. Then was only a back-up until Trent Green got hurt the last week of training camp. He goes on to win a couple NFL MVP's and a Super Bowl MVP.

Best in FCS is so subjective because it is all based on the system you run. I don't think Eric Sanders will win the Payon this year even if UNI goes undefeated because he won't put up gaudy numbers (except maybe a 75%+ completion rate) do to the fact that we have a very good running game that we can use without throwing every play. I still would not trade him for anyone in FCS or FBS for that matter. He is a leader and a winner and does whatever is needed to help the team first.

[ncbears]

Here are the top qb's ranked in order of draft position at this point by a pretty respected nfl draft website. I know some have said that draft potential doesn't equal "best qb in the FCS" but it is interesting. The numbers are projected round of draft, ht., wt., 40 time. The last couple of years about 10-12 qb's have been taken in the draft and about that same amount have signed fa contracts. This is not considered a very strong qb year.


1 Woodson, Andre' Kentucky 1 6-5 224 4.78
2 Brohm, Brian Louisville 1 6-3 227 4.79
3 Ryan, Matt Boston College 1 6-5 224 4.82
4 Booty, John David Southern Cal 1 6-3 210 4.92
5 Henne, Chad Michigan 1-2 6-2 225 5.18
6 Brennan, Colt Hawaii 1-2 6-3 205 4.79
7 Ainge, Erik Tennessee 2 6-6 223 5.06
8 Flynn, Matt LSU 3-4 6-2 228 4.68
9 Dixon, Dennis Oregon 3-4 6-4 205 4.58
10 Johnson, Josh San Diego 4 6-3 198 4.74
11 Keller, Sam Nebraska 4-5 6-3 228 4.89
12 Flacco, Joe Delaware 5 6-6 236 4.92
13 Smith, Paul Tulsa 6 6-1 198 4.93
14 Santos, Ricky New Hampshire 6-7 6-1 215 4.92
15 Morelli, Anthony Penn State 7 6-4 225 4.93
16 Ostrander, T.C. Stanford 7-FA 6-2 221 4.92
17 Brink, Alex Washington State 7-FA 6-2 212 4.86
18 Wright, Kyle Miami 6-4 220 4.78
19 Adams, Seth Mississippi 6-4 224 5.16
20 Mitchell, Blake South Carolina 6-2 215 4.78
21 Young, Jeremy Southern Miss 6-3 215 4.67
22 Breazeale, Dominic Northern Colorado 6-6 252 5.10
23 Cox, Brandon Auburn 6-2 205 4.82
24 Tafralis, Adam San Jose State 6-2 230 4.86
25 Hanie, Caleb Colorado State 6-2 232 4.96

Where did you find that list?

[USDFAN_55]

Where did you find that list?

I was wonderig the same thing. I thought I heard a Northern Colorado fan call that QB (Breazeale, Dominic) garbage. I guess he throws a ton of picks. He does have the NFL size though.

[ncbears]

I was wonderig the same thing. I thought I heard a Northern Colorado fan call that QB (Breazeale, Dominic) garbage. I guess he throws a ton of picks. He does have the NFL size though.

You're right. His size might make a prospect alone, but he likes to throw to the other team.

[ncbears]

found it.


http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2008&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC

[footballfan11]

Here are the top qb's ranked in order of draft position at this point by a pretty respected nfl draft website. I know some have said that draft potential doesn't equal "best qb in the FCS" but it is interesting. The numbers are projected round of draft, ht., wt., 40 time. The last couple of years about 10-12 qb's have been taken in the draft and about that same amount have signed fa contracts. This is not considered a very strong qb year.


1 Woodson, Andre' Kentucky 1 6-5 224 4.78
2 Brohm, Brian Louisville 1 6-3 227 4.79
3 Ryan, Matt Boston College 1 6-5 224 4.82
4 Booty, John David Southern Cal 1 6-3 210 4.92
5 Henne, Chad Michigan 1-2 6-2 225 5.18
6 Brennan, Colt Hawaii 1-2 6-3 205 4.79
7 Ainge, Erik Tennessee 2 6-6 223 5.06
8 Flynn, Matt LSU 3-4 6-2 228 4.68
9 Dixon, Dennis Oregon 3-4 6-4 205 4.58
10 Johnson, Josh San Diego 4 6-3 198 4.74
11 Keller, Sam Nebraska 4-5 6-3 228 4.89
12 Flacco, Joe Delaware 5 6-6 236 4.92
13 Smith, Paul Tulsa 6 6-1 198 4.93
14 Santos, Ricky New Hampshire 6-7 6-1 215 4.92
15 Morelli, Anthony Penn State 7 6-4 225 4.93
16 Ostrander, T.C. Stanford 7-FA 6-2 221 4.92
17 Brink, Alex Washington State 7-FA 6-2 212 4.86
18 Wright, Kyle Miami 6-4 220 4.78
19 Adams, Seth Mississippi 6-4 224 5.16
20 Mitchell, Blake South Carolina 6-2 215 4.78
21 Young, Jeremy Southern Miss 6-3 215 4.67
22 Breazeale, Dominic Northern Colorado 6-6 252 5.10
23 Cox, Brandon Auburn 6-2 205 4.82
24 Tafralis, Adam San Jose State 6-2 230 4.86
25 Hanie, Caleb Colorado State 6-2 232 4.96

xeyebrowx xeyebrowx Im not to sure bout that sight s being a reliable source but i belive this one might be. Here's what ESPN Todd McShay's has to say.

Brian Brohm of Louisville, Chad Henne of Michigan and Colt Brennan of Hawaii all flirted with the idea of leaving school early before deciding to extend their college careers, and the result is a loaded 2008 draft class. Like Matt Leinart and Brady Quinn before him, Brohm is in the unenviable position of being the consensus top senior quarterback prospect. NFL scouts have already placed him under the microscope and have the next eight months to scrutinize his every move intensely. Based on film study so far, Brohm has even more potential blemishes to cover up as a senior.

Henne has first-round potential, if he cuts down on mental mistakes as a senior. Brennan will continue his assault on NCAA passing records this fall, but his draft stock will eventually take a hit due to concerns regarding his size, past character issues and the passer-friendly system in which he plays.

The wild card of the group is fast-rising Andre' Woodson from Kentucky. The light finally came on for him as a junior in 2006, when he threw 31 touchdown passes against just seven interceptions. That came after a sophomore season in which Woodson's interception total (six) matched his touchdown total. If he can carry his current momentum through his senior season, Woodson has the size, arm strength and athleticism to crack the first round.

Matt Ryan, John David Booty, Sam Keller and Erik Ainge all need healthy and productive 2007 seasons to secure spots on Day 1 of next year's draft.

Finally, there isn't a prospect in the country at any position with more intriguing upside than San Diego's Josh Johnson. He needs to add bulk to his tall, lanky frame and there is only so much more he can learn in another season at the non-scholarship Division I-AA level, especially with his former head Jim Harbaugh having taken the Stanford job during the offseason. Johnson, however, will get the chance to show off to scouts against better competition during postseason all-star games and at the scouting combine, and based on his film so far Johnson has enough tools to be in the first-day mix next April.
Top 15 Senior QB Prospects in 2008 NFL Draft
Prospect School Height Weight Speed
1. Brian Brohm Louisville 6-3 225 4.78
2. Chad Henne Michigan 6-2 225 4.80
3. Andre Woodson Kentucky 6-4 219 4.84
4. Colt Brennan Hawaii 6-2 1/2 190 4.75
5. Matt Ryan Boston College 6-4 5/8 221 4.80
6. John David Booty USC 6-2 1/2 210 4.95
7. Sam Keller Nebraska 6-3 7/8 231 4.90
8. Erik Ainge Tennessee 6-5 1/4 214 5.00
9. Joshua Johnson San Diego 6-2 1/4 195 4.64
10. Matt Flynn LSU 6-1 5/8 225 4.64
11. Anthony Morelli Penn State 6-4 219 4.90
12. Paul Smith Tulsa 6-0 7/8 198 4.90
13. Kyle Wright Miami (Fla.) 6-4 219 4.90
14. Richard Santos New Hampshire 6-1 215 5.00
15. Dennis Dixon Oregon 6-3 1/2 195 4.60

[footballfan11]

And IMO, santos is underrated because some of these guys are not that good, and Joe Flacco should also be on this list.

[Eaglesrus]

I was looking for the site where I read the stats and can't find it. I remember that the guy from Middle Tenn and one other were ahead of him in rushing going into week 4.

Well, one other problem; though I doubt the guy was ever ahead of Foster in rushing, I believe that Middle Tennessee is FBS not FCS.

[DetroitFlyer]

How about this stat for Josh Johnson:

He has passed for 16 TD's and rushed for one for a total of 17 TD's! He has thrown a grand total of 17 incomplete passes this season. So, 17 TD's and only 17 incomplete passes.

As I mentioned before, now matter what you think of USD's competition, this kid is simply amazing!!!!!

[Eaglesrus]

How about this stat for Josh Johnson:

He has passed for 16 TD's and rushed for one for a total of 17 TD's! He has thrown a grand total of 17 incomplete passes this season. So, 17 TD's and only 17 incomplete passes.

As I mentioned before, now matter what you think of USD's competition, this kid is simply amazing!!!!!

Huh, seeing this I had to go look; Jayson Foster has 15 TDs and 15 incompletions (of course he's only 39 of 54 passing and 13 of the TDs are rushing :) )

[GOTOREROS]

How about this stat for Josh Johnson:

He has passed for 16 TD's and rushed for one for a total of 17 TD's! He has thrown a grand total of 17 incomplete passes this season. So, 17 TD's and only 17 incomplete passes.

As I mentioned before, now matter what you think of USD's competition, this kid is simply amazing!!!!!

This is an amazing stat! No matter how you cut it it is UNBELIEVABLE! xnodx

No bad for three games!

[JohnStOnge]

Funny how the ones that are doing the talking are the ones that have seen him play...not just Bearkat fans.

Exact same thing to before the NDSU game...people who hadn't seen the Bearkats play were expecting us to get blown out. But those who had seen us play knew otherwise.

I don't think actually watching Sam Houston barely get by Angelo State and beat Arkansas Monticello 48-10 would've changed my expectation that North Dakota State would pound the Bearkats. The Bearkats just did better than their previous performances suggested they would do. That happens.

The thing I most disagree with is the idea that Bomar was a top I-A quarterback. I'm able to get to the stats today. He was 79th in I-A passing efficiency. He threw as many interceptions (10) as touchdowns. He didn't have a horrible completition rate, at 54.2 percent, but it wasn't spectacular either. He averaged an even 2 yards per rush. He was 77th in total offense.

We're not talking about a Jamarcus Russell transferring to a FCS school. We're not even talking about an average BCS league quarterback in terms of actual measured performance. 47 BCS league quarterbacks finished rated higher than him and there were only 60 some-odd BCS league teams.

If he turns out to prove he's arguably the best in FCS now, good for him. But that hasn't happened yet.

[Henny]

Santos - End of Discussion.

His body of work over 4 years is simply the best. 3-0 vs FBS, 1 Payton in his pocket, missed a 2nd as a sophomore by something like 5 points, and his performances this year may rival his best, despite the 2-2 early season record.... I bet Delaware is really excited about coming into ancient Cowell Stadium this Saturday. The Legend of Santos lives on, .....

Cant wait, especially with you're freshman right tackle playing against Ronald Talley. should be fun

[BarefootApp]

All those QBs are terrific players....but only one had the skills and moxie to whip Michigan. If healthy, he would be racking it up. Can't wait 'til Oct. 6 when he returns , hopefully healthy and ready to go. But all due respect to Trey Elder....what a great job he has done as well.

[SirApp]

All those QBs are terrific players....but only one had the skills and moxie to whip Michigan. If healthy, he would be racking it up. Can't wait 'til Oct. 6 when he returns , hopefully healthy and ready to go. But all due respect to Trey Elder....what a great job he has done as well.

Armanti is not playing against Gardner-Webb.

[VT Wildcat Fan53]

Cant wait, especially with you're freshman right tackle playing against Ronald Talley. should be fun

Let's get the game going and let the kids do the talking for us! xthumbsupx

[BarefootApp]

Right. My fault...I should've written Oct. 20.

[JmuSkinsfan]

I don't think actually watching Sam Houston barely get by Angelo State and beat Arkansas Monticello 48-10 would've changed my expectation that North Dakota State would pound the Bearkats. The Bearkats just did better than their previous performances suggested they would do. That happens.

The thing I most disagree with is the idea that Bomar was a top I-A quarterback. I'm able to get to the stats today. He was 79th in I-A passing efficiency. He threw as many interceptions (10) as touchdowns. He didn't have a horrible completition rate, at 54.2 percent, but it wasn't spectacular either. He averaged an even 2 yards per rush. He was 77th in total offense.

We're not talking about a Jamarcus Russell transferring to a FCS school. We're not even talking about an average BCS league quarterback in terms of actual measured performance. 47 BCS league quarterbacks finished rated higher than him and there were only 60 some-odd BCS league teams.

If he turns out to prove he's arguably the best in FCS now, good for him. But that hasn't happened yet.


I don't have the info. on me, but I'm pretty sure those stats were as a sophomore? He was one of the top QBs coming in as a freshman, and I don't think he really saw much of the field, and of the time he saw, it was as a young guy....He was their starter for the long-run til he got busted at the dealership. Correct me if I'm wrong though, cause i could be...i'm just going off memory right now

[JALMOND]

Brian White of Portland state.
His numbers from the EWU game:
PSU QB Brian White completed 29-of-37 passes for
329 yards and three touchdowns. In his last three games, White has completed 91-of-137
passes for 1,100 yards. White was sacked just once last Saturdayxthumbsupx

Pretty good numbers the last three games. One was even against an FBS team (San Diego State). The truth about White, though, is that the last three games do not make up for the first two when we could not contain the rush. Posters have shown QB's who have had outstanding seasons so far, whereas White has had a pretty good three game stretch to make up for the first two games. Still, he hasn't done enough over the whole season to really deserve a mention here.

[Stang Fever]

Being a top prospect does mean something. These scouts get paid to analyze talent, and they obviously see more in Johnson than others. You need to take your blinders off and see the talent for what it is. Like I've said before... all JJ does is go out and make plays.... and all you guys do is hate..... The title of this thread is the best FCS QB, which can be determined by a multitude of factors. Going by stats and NFL prospect status Johnson is better than Santos.

In order to be the best you have to play the best???xeekx What a bunch of bullxnonox .... McNair didn't play against the best, yet he was considered one of the best in the whole nationxnodx Once again, another person that hates everything about San Diego for no reason. Give me a break buddy. Better by the competition you play? It may make it easier to detemine talent, but it is not the only thing. I guess that is why you are not a talent scoutxthumbsupx

AGAIn you missed me. I am not a HATER of ALL THINGS SAN DIEGO, Johnson just might be the best thing out there, and I have not seen him play. BUt what I can say is reason around why his stats are so good. YOU HAVE the BLINDERS ON.

1) Its not hard to have no interceptions if your team is WAY BETTER THEN the OTHER TEAM. WHY? Johnson has not faced a rush that has forced him to throw an interception. If you have all day to throw I would hop you could complete all those passes.

2)When He has thrown the 17 incomplete passes, is it because no one is open, is it because his players simply dropped the ball? This would mean that either his team is HANDS DOWN BETTER then everyone they play and never has a guy in his face, or HE is just great at making decisions.

ME I am going to go out on a limb here and say its a combination of the TWO. (there is no HATE in that statment, just the fact that you dont like the truth)

here is an example. JOHNSON is the FCS version of HAWAII's QB, however gifted he will never be the TOP QB (his name will be in the Running, but will never win.) However I believe that by comparison HAWAII plays WAaayy!!!!!!!!! better teams the USD does.

3) I hate making this thread about all things USD. He is an amazing QB and obviously will get his shot at the next level. His knock will be who he played, I would ride the band wagon if I saw him beat just 1 GOOD TEAM!!!

[patssle]

I don't think actually watching Sam Houston barely get by Angelo State and beat Arkansas Monticello 48-10 would've changed my expectation that North Dakota State would pound the Bearkats.

Thats because you didn't watch them. You look at the stats and don't knwo what type of plays we ran. We who were there do and know why those games were low scoring. Said all this before...and we were right.


I'm pretty sure those stats were as a sophomore?

He was a freshman starter at OU. This is his 2nd season to play in 4 years.

[DetroitFlyer]

Glad to know that you do not consider last year's Ivy League co-champion a good team.

[AggieFinn]

Glad to know that you do not consider last year's Ivy League co-champion a good team.

Good point! xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx

[DavisAggie]

Johnson has not faced a rush that has forced him to throw an interception. If you have all day to throw I would hop you could complete all those passes.

Let's revisit this after the Univ. of San Diego - UC Davis game - should be a fun discussion. xlolx

USDFAN_55 does not believe a solid pass rush will affect his QB, as he has stated in previous posts. Are d-line is by far the biggest and fastest they will see all year, maybe after the game USDFAN_55 will be convinced a solid pass rush does more than flush your QB from the pocket. Football 101, and school will be in session 11/17, I hope you will be watching and taking notes USDFAN_55. xwhistlex

With that said, JJ is a GREAT athlete and a very powerful weapon, but good, deep teams - particularly those that have 2 weeks to prepare for the game like UC Davis does - will contain him, not stop him, but contain him.

[USDFAN_55]

Let's revisit this after the Univ. of San Diego - UC Davis game - should be a fun discussion. xlolx

USDFAN_55 does not believe a solid pass rush will affect his QB, as he has stated in previous posts. Are d-line is by far the biggest and fastest they will see all year, maybe after the game USDFAN_55 will be convinced a solid pass rush does more than flush your QB from the pocket. Football 101, and school will be in session 11/17, I hope you will be watching and taking notes USDFAN_55. xwhistlex

With that said, JJ is a GREAT athlete and a very powerful weapon, but good, deep teams - particularly those that have 2 weeks to prepare for the game like UC Davis does - will contain him, not stop him, but contain him.

QBs get flushed from the pocket all the time. It's a matter of whether they make good decisions in times when they do. From watching Johnson play many more times than you have, I would say he handles the situation just fine. I am not doubting your d-line will be one of the best, if not the best, we face all year. But Johnson will be one of the best QBs you face all year, so I'm expecting a good match-up. Just be ready for a more explosive offense this year. You hardly contained him last year (if you call 344 yards and 2 TDs contained), but it was one of his lower statistical days last year. The team has a ton of experience, and they are hungry for a re-match. Without a doubt it will be a very exciting game. I just hope you take notes as well, it's not everyday you get to watch a truly gifted athletexthumbsupx

[AggieFinn]

JJ went 19/39 last season in Davis. He hit some big plays, but our corners are returning, Adam Cook for his 3rd season, and we've taken steps to limit those big plays this year. I think this will be a great late season matchup. Depending on where both teams are at that point, it could mean more than just in state bragging rights.

My top QB's in FCS:

Santos, Sanders, Walker. I don't look at just stats, I look at wins. I see Santos as a real gamer, he plays so hard, and makes plays out of nothing. Sanders and Walker are winning against good FCS/FBS football teams, and doing their jobs above and beyond.

http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper674/stills/y75w4uiy.jpg http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper1096/stills/9c95i904.jpg http://www.nmnathletics.com.edgesuite.net/pics20/400/NS/NSFXWLVUHEYYUSI.20070810144609.jpg

Johnson is a great talent, but I think it's too soon to tell how good he is until he takes the hits of a FULL season of quality football teams.

[DavisAggie]

QBs get flushed from the pocket all the time. It's a matter of whether they make good decisions in times when they do. From watching Johnson play many more times than you have, I would say he handles the situation just fine. I am not doubting your d-line will be one of the best, if not the best, we face all year. But Johnson will be one of the best QBs you face all year, so I'm expecting a good match-up. Just be ready for a more explosive offense this year. You hardly contained him last year (if you call 344 yards and 2 TDs contained), but it was one of his lower statistical days last year. The team has a ton of experience, and they are hungry for a re-match. Without a doubt it will be a very exciting game. I just hope you take notes as well, it's not everyday you get to watch a truly gifted athletexthumbsupx

We picked up the 'W' last year too, so all I am concerned with is containing him, as I declared. We played a 1A QB last week throwing to WR's 2x faster than any USD WR , PSU's White in week 2 (got the 'W' with 9 sacks), EWU has a solid QB, and we all know NDSU has a GREAT QB, we play them tomorrow. To say we will be ready for USD is an understatement - this is not the secondary you guys faced last year, as AggieFinn pointed out.

Keep in mind, we play a solid, respected schedule, unlike you. xthumbsupx Are boys are tested and prepared, unlike you guys. You might be better than us on paper, but not on REAL game time experience against REAL competition.

Next.

[USDFAN_55]

We picked up the 'W' last year too, so all I am concerned with is containing him, as I declared. We played a 1A QB last week, PSU's White in week 2 (got the 'W'), EWU has a solid QB, and we all know NDSU has a GREAT QB, we play them tomorrow.

Keep in mind, we play a solid, respected schedule, unlike you. xthumbsupx

WOW..... a BCS QB! He must have been good because he is a BCS QBxlolx Isn't that the same QB that didn't do crap against a horrible Stanford defense? That QB doesn't even compare to Johnson.

[DavisAggie]

WOW..... a BCS QB! He must have been good because he is a BCS QBxlolx Isn't that the same QB that didn't do crap against a horrible Stanford defense? That QB doesn't even compare to Johnson.

I am going to end my rant here:

I played football with some grade school kids on my block last Saturday and I was QB, man you should have seen me, I killed. I think I passed for 1,000 yards. I am in my 30's.

Get my point. Next. xcoffeex

[/rant]

[USDFAN_55]

I am going to end my rant here:

I played football with some grade school kids on my block last Saturday and I was QB, man you should have seen me, I killed. I think I passed for 1,000 yards. I am in my 30's.

Get my point. Next. xcoffeex

[/rant]

Nope, I don't see your point.xcoffeex WOW you must be some QB.... you must have played QB at a BCS school.xeekx From what I hear all the QBs at that level are goodxsmiley_wix

[JohnStOnge]

Nope, I don't see your point.xcoffeex WOW you must be some QB.... you must have played QB at a BCS school.xeekx From what I hear all the QBs at that level are goodxsmiley_wix

Level of competition is a factor to consider. For example, after putting up eye popping stats last year against a relatively weak I-AA schedule, Johnson hit on fewer than 50% of his passes (19-39) against UC Davis.

It could be that Johnson is the best QB in the FCS. But it's very hard to know that given the schedule his team plays against. Same with somebody like Santos if you're comparing him to somebody who plays against a solid FBS schedule. Or the guy at Hawaii in comparing him to SEC quarterbacks. If you stuck him in the lineup at, say, Tennessee, would he light it up against SEC defenses?

Just no way to know. Just like you never really know for sure if a great college quarterback is going to be good in the NFL. Never know how somebody's going to do at a "higher" level until you see them do it.

[USDFAN_55]

Level of competition is a factor to consider. For example, after putting up eye popping stats last year against a relatively weak I-AA schedule, Johnson hit on fewer than 50% of his passes (19-39) against UC Davis.

It could be that Johnson is the best QB in the FCS. But it's very hard to know that given the schedule his team plays against. Same with somebody like Santos if you're comparing him to somebody who plays against a solid FBS schedule. Or the guy at Hawaii in comparing him to SEC quarterbacks. If you stuck him in the lineup at, say, Tennessee, would he light it up against SEC defenses?

Just no way to know. Just like you never really know for sure if a great college quarterback is going to be good in the NFL. Never know how somebody's going to do at a "higher" level until you see them do it.


What's this I-AA you speak of? I understand there are a ton of variables that go into considering or knowing a QB is good (could be the system, could be the competition)..... I also understand that most of this thread is almost completely opinion based. There is no real way of knowing who the best is (the NFL draft is a prime example every year). I'm just getting a kick out of pushing people's buttons in here and seeing them get all spun up for nothing.:D

[patssle]

Speaking of the NFL and QBs...how many FCS teams have a starting QB?

Bearkats did this season with Josh McCown starting for Oakland Raiders until he hurt his finger then broke a toe...he is currently in rehab.

[GOTOREROS]

I am very excited for the UC Davis game - it will be a great test for JJ and the Toreros. We will be the underdog......all I can say is that I think USD can steal one if our defense can limit your points and our O-line can give JJ time....

[UNHFan99]

What will be sad is that leading up to the draft I feel Ricky, Sanders, and Flacco will be labeled as in the same subdivision as Johnson. It will hurt all of them going into the draft and they will be evaluated on athletic potential rather than accomplishments and quality performances vs quality opponents.

I did not intend to make this about the draft, but often that is how players are evaluated. Even though they just might not fit what the NFL says a good football player is.

That being said Ricky is the most polished and I trust him the most under any sort of pressure. Flacco has the best arm and size, but lacks mobility. Johnson is most athletic and has the most upside because he hasnt played against anyone and most scouts probably think hes raw because of it. He could be an NFL starter or never take a snap in practice at the next level. I havent seen enough of him to say. All I have seen are highlight tapes. Which obviouslly only show highlights.

I take Ricky. Ricky is carrying his team. So far Flacco and Johnson havent played anyone. Flacco is on a very good team and is an intrical part, but if he got hurt they could hand it off to cuff and be alright. Ricky makes the players around him a thousand times better and thats what I want in my QB. Flacco's competition will change soon, Johnson's wont until UC Davis. Then he has a cakewalk again.

[Stang Fever]

What's this I-AA you speak of? I understand there are a ton of variables that go into considering or knowing a QB is good (could be the system, could be the competition)..... I also understand that most of this thread is almost completely opinion based. There is no real way of knowing who the best is (the NFL draft is a prime example every year). I'm just getting a kick out of pushing people's buttons in here and seeing them get all spun up for nothing.:D


You GUYS have a great QB!!! I will be the frist to say that. But wouldnt it be great if we saw him play sombody, people would really be in love with him (I know I would). After getting denied out of the playoffs, rightfully so. Because of that weak schedule, guess what USD did the next year to try to make it. NOTHING!!!!

The UCD game he put up well over 300 yards passing, BUT you came on this board bragging about how good his stats are, how he completes 70% of his passes, Guess what, it was the same thing with that weak schedule last year, BUT you try to forget the simple fact that he not only through for 300 yards but was well under that 70% mark and was floating around 50%, he was running for his life. When you have a moble QB he is always going to have a chance to make plays and throw long.

[USDFAN_55]

You GUYS have a great QB!!! I will be the frist to say that. But wouldnt it be great if we saw him play sombody, people would really be in love with him (I know I would). After getting denied out of the playoffs, rightfully so. Because of that weak schedule, guess what USD did the next year to try to make it. NOTHING!!!!

The UCD game he put up well over 300 yards passing, BUT you came on this board bragging about how good his stats are, how he completes 70% of his passes, Guess what, it was the same thing with that weak schedule last year, BUT you try to forget the simple fact that he not only through for 300 yards but was well under that 70% mark and was floating around 50%, he was running for his life. When you have a moble QB he is always going to have a chance to make plays and throw long.

I would love to see him against better competition, but unfortunately the AD at USD doesn't feel the same way. I guess we'll juts have to wait and see how he does at UCD and in the all-star games. Hopefully he'll get invited to the east west shrine game.

[pete4256]

I was looking for the site where I read the stats and can't find it. I remember that the guy from Middle Tenn and one other were ahead of him in rushing going into week 4.

There's a reason you can'r find it. After four games, Foster has 790 yards and 13 touchdowns.

AS A TEAM, MTSU has 564 yards and 9 touchdowns after FIVE games.

http://www.goblueraiders.com/content.cfm/id/27897#TEAM.TEM

[DavisAggie]

I am very excited for the UC Davis game - it will be a great test for JJ and the Toreros. We will be the underdog......all I can say is that I think USD can steal one if our defense can limit your points and our O-line can give JJ time....

My wife and I will be at the game – looking forward to seeing JJ in person.

[DavisAggie]

WOW..... a BCS QB! He must have been good because he is a BCS QBxlolx Isn't that the same QB that didn't do crap against a horrible Stanford defense? That QB doesn't even compare to Johnson.

Horrible Stanford defense? See last Saturday's USC-Stanford game. xthumbsupx

[USDFAN_55]

Horrible Stanford defense? See last Saturday's USC-Stanford game. xthumbsupx

I still stand by my comment. That was obviously a huge upset. Just as the App state over Michigan game was. If those games were played again 10 more times, most likely App state and Stanford wouldn't win one of them. Stanford had their day, so hats off to them (I am a Stanford fan by the way), but one game doesn't make you a credible defense. If they keep that up then I will change my stance.

[DavisAggie]

I still stand by my comment. That was obviously a huge upset. Just as the App state over Michigan game was. If those games were played again 10 more times, most likely App state and Stanford wouldn't win one of them. Stanford had their day, so hats off to them (I am a Stanford fan by the way), but one game doesn't make you a credible defense. If they keep that up then I will change my stance.
No smack, just wondering how you guys think you would do against that same Stanford defense. You guys sure think your offense walks on water. Simply your offense against Stanford's defense.

[USDFAN_55]

No smack, just wondering how you guys think you would do against that same Stanford defense. You guys sure think your offense walks on water. Simply your offense against Stanford's defense.

I think we would be able to pass against Stanford (not like we do against the cupcakes, but put up 300-325 yards), but I don't think our hogs have the size to run the ball consistantly.

[citdog]

Schmeckley McSchmeckle Qb Johnson Univ

[DavisAggie]

I think we would be able to pass against Stanford (not like we do against the cupcakes, but put up 300-325 yards), but I don't think our hogs have the size to run the ball consistantly.

300-325 yards? xrotatehx

367 - Univ. of Oregon (Dixon)
286 - UCLA
266 - Arizona State
149 - USC
131 - SJSU

Try another guess junior.

[crusader11]

Dominick Randolph from Holy Cross. Although this is obviously a homer pick, I feel like his name is work mentioning at least.

[USDFAN_55]

300-325 yards? xrotatehx

367 - Univ. of Oregon (Dixon)
286 - UCLA
266 - Arizona State
149 - USC
131 - SJSU

Try another guess junior.

No need to be a condescending A$$..... Buddyxnonox
You asked me what I thought they could do, and I gave you my opinion. For some reason you have such an attitude (you must be a little guyxeekx ) in here like you are the most knowledgeable person regarding football (especially your vast knowledge of San Diegoxthumbsupx ). Putting up what other teams have done doesn't show what another team could do. If we use your logic, then we can start using the logic that if team A beat team B, and team B beat team C, then team A would beat team C. Logic like that doesn't work for sports, which has been reiterated over and over again in here.xnodx

[DavisAggie]

No need to be a condescending A$$..... Buddyxnonox
You asked me what I thought they could do, and I gave you my opinion. For some reason you have such an attitude (you must be a little guyxeekx ) in here like you are the most knowledgeable person regarding football (especially your vast knowledge of San Diegoxthumbsupx ). Putting up what other teams have done doesn't show what another team could do. If we use your logic, then we can start using the logic that if team A beat team B, and team B beat team C, then team A would beat team C. Logic like that doesn't work for sports, which has been reiterated over and over again in here.xnodx


Relax Nancy. This is a sports message board, if you cannot handle the competitive banter I suggest you pick another hobby. Look, it was not a personal attack, so take it easy.

And for the record, I'm 6'1, 205 - not that it has anything to do with this message board or my messages.

Let me give you a little advice, you show somebody your weakness they will take advantage of it. Come on man, I have been giving you a hard time about JJ and USD football for a couple of weeks now. You really think it's because (a) I think USD is a terrible football team, (b) JJ is a terrible QB, or (c) I know I can get under your skin.

The answer is (c) my friend.

Just having some fun. But it's cool, I will move on. No hard feeling on my side, hope no ill will on your side.

Good luck, well, until you play UC Davis of course.

DavisAggie

[USDFAN_55]

Relax Nancy. This is a sports message board, if you cannot handle the competitive banter I suggest you pick another hobby. Look, it was not a personal attack, so take it easy.

And for the record, I'm 6'1, 205 - not that it has anything to do with this message board or my messages.

Let me give you a little advice, you show somebody your weakness they will take advantage of it. Come on man, I have been giving you a hard time about JJ and USD football for a couple of weeks now. You really think it's because (a) I think USD is a terrible football team, (b) JJ is a terrible QB, or (c) I know I can get under your skin.

The answer is (c) my friend.

Just having some fun. But it's cool, I will move on. No hard feeling on my side, hope no ill will on your side.

Good luck, well, until you play UC Davis of course.

DavisAggie

Maybe..... just maybe, I've been doing the same thingxthumbsupx
There is no way I would ever take anything too seriously in here.

[bison gameday]

11 Walker, Steve
18 Mertens, Nick
3 Parsons, Ryan
10 Brecke, Mitch


xsmiley_wix xsmiley_wix xsmiley_wix

dont be forgeting #88 Dragosavich, Mike - he has a passer efficency rating of 494.8 - i'd like to see some one match that stat

[NDSUFREAK]

dont be forgeting #88 Dragosavich, Mike - he has a passer efficency rating of 494.8 - i'd like to see some one match that stat

xlolx

[AggieFinn]

dont be forgeting #88 Dragosavich, Mike - he has a passer efficency rating of 494.8 - i'd like to see some one match that stat

I must pass you.

[bobcat7]

When (if?) Kevin Rombach finally loses a start, I will re-read these last 17 pages of this thread and maybe I will conclude that Santos or Johnson is best. But for now ....
xcoolx

[UCAMonkey]

Nathan Brown, University of Central Arkansas

FCS Player of the week. 7 TD's. Sat out almost the entire second half against Texas State.

[UCAMonkey]

Southland Conference Passing Leaders. Nate Brown head and shoulders above the rest!

PASSING AVG/GAME Team Cl G Att Cmp Int Pct. Yds TD Avg/G

------------------------------------------------------------------

1. Brown,Nathan........ UCA JR 6 180 128 6 71.1 1701 16 283.5

2. Bomar, Rhett........ SHSU JR 5 198 113 5 57.1 1330 9 266.0

3. Fourroux, Derrick... MCN SO 5 92 57 3 62.0 989 10 197.8

4. George, Bradley..... TXST SO 6 203 112 4 55.2 1128 6 188.0

5. Babin, Brian........ SLU SO 5 152 99 1 65.1 891 7 178.2

6. Southall, Danny..... SFA SR 5 130 73 5 56.2 731 3 146.2

7. Edmond, Germayn..... NWLA SO 5 78 39 6 50.0 570 6 114.0

8. Montgomery, Vin..... NICH JR 4 27 13 0 48.1 278 1 69.5

9. Fontenot,Mark....... MCN JR 4 23 19 0 82.6 212 1 53.0

10.Branch, Drew........ NWLA JR 4 29 12 3 41.4 110 0 27.5

[Cocky]

Last night it was Cedric Johnson of JSU.

[TigerFan17]

I must pass you.

Hahahahahaah I think I was the only one that got this.

xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

[DOME]

Last night it was Cedric Johnson of JSU.

I'll agree with that. Since there were two games last night? ;)

[Cocky]

There were at least three:
AP v JSU
Tx State v Central Ark
Tenn St v Tenn Tech.

[USDFAN_55]

Looks like we'll get to see how JJ does against better competition before the NFL draft.

Johnson accepts Shrine invitation

USD's Johnson has accepted an invitation to play in the East-West Shrine Game, Jan. 18 in Houston.


Has anyone else heard news of what "all-star" games other FCS players are invited to this year?

[Brad82]

I saw Landers form JMU play Rhody this week and he is great.
He has to be right up there.

[ereiz03]

Josh Johnson is one of just a few FCS QB's that will be on an NFL roster next year.

[already123]

Santos, Johnson, maybe Flacco.....but who else?

[USDFAN_55]

Santos, Johnson, maybe Flacco.....but who else?

That's all I can think of.

[th0m]

I saw Landers form JMU play Rhody this week and he is great.
He has to be right up there.

Thanks! 408 yards of total offense for Landers, a JMU record.


Landers set JMU's game records for yards of total offense (408) and rushing yards by a quarterback and threw for three touchdowns as the Dukes won their sixth-straight game. He completed 11 of 14 passes for 242 yards and ran 28 times for 166 yards.

[Houndawg]

The question being who's the best QB, not the best pro prospect or the best athlete, I'll give Sanders the nod with Edwards not playing. On the homer side, Nick Hill throwing for 436 vs. UNI's defense in the dome noise has got to raise his stock. He may be the sleeper in the crowd.

[USDFAN_55]

The question being who's the best QB, not the best pro prospect or the best athlete, I'll give Sanders the nod with Edwards not playing. On the homer side, Nick Hill throwing for 436 vs. UNI's defense in the dome noise has got to raise his stock. He may be the sleeper in the crowd.

Well by being vague in saying who is the best, you can make the point that the best means being a top NFL prospect, or maybe the best is the most valuable to his team, or maybe the best is the better passer, or maybe the best is the better runner, you get my point. There is nothing in the title of this thead that says otherwise.

[McTailGator]

I'm beginning to really believe in McNeese's Derrick Fourroux, the kid is just tough as nails and has NO quit in him.

GP 6
Effic 174.7
Cmp-Att-Int 97-146-3
Pct 66.4
Yards 1482
TD 12
Long 51
Avg/G 247.0


http://people.delphiforums.com/tailgateguy/McQB6.JPG

[Houndawg]

Well by being vague in saying who is the best, you can make the point that the best means being a top NFL prospect, or maybe the best is the most valuable to his team, or maybe the best is the better passer, or maybe the best is the better runner, you get my point. There is nothing in the title of this thead that says otherwise.

Being the best QB means winning and intangibles are a big part of that. The question to ask yourself is who you want with the game on the line.

[Kill'em]

Santos, Johnson, maybe Flacco.....but who else?

Jayson Foster, although, not as a QB.

[USDFAN_55]

Being the best QB means winning and intangibles are a big part of that. The question to ask yourself is who you want with the game on the line.

Johnson, Sanders, or Santos..... all proven winners.

[already123]

Yes but will Sanders translate well in the NFL?

[USDFAN_55]

Yes but will Sanders translate well in the NFL?

Which leads me to my previous post about this thread. "Best QB" can be judged by many different things.

[Cap'n Cat]

Sanders will get a shot. Then, after stocking grocery shelves in Oelwein, IA, for a year, will be given a shot at the League and win an MVP.

[Houndawg]

Yes but will Sanders translate well in the NFL? You guys must be young. I remember when they said the same thing about Joe Montana.

Sanders is the real deal. There may be others better than him physically, but if I can't have Nick Hill with the game on the line, I want Sanders, he made a believer out of me Saturday.

[Houndawg]

Which leads me to my previous post about this thread. "Best QB" can be judged by many different things.

But winning is the only one that matters. Sanders is a winner.

[UCAMonkey]

Southland Conference Passing Leaders. Nate Brown head and shoulders above the rest!

PASSING AVG/GAME Team Cl G Att Cmp Int Pct. Yds TD Avg/G

------------------------------------------------------------------

1. Brown,Nathan........ UCA JR 6 180 128 6 71.1 1701 16 283.5

2. Bomar, Rhett........ SHSU JR 5 198 113 5 57.1 1330 9 266.0

3. Fourroux, Derrick... MCN SO 5 92 57 3 62.0 989 10 197.8

4. George, Bradley..... TXST SO 6 203 112 4 55.2 1128 6 188.0

5. Babin, Brian........ SLU SO 5 152 99 1 65.1 891 7 178.2

6. Southall, Danny..... SFA SR 5 130 73 5 56.2 731 3 146.2

7. Edmond, Germayn..... NWLA SO 5 78 39 6 50.0 570 6 114.0

8. Montgomery, Vin..... NICH JR 4 27 13 0 48.1 278 1 69.5

9. Fontenot,Mark....... MCN JR 4 23 19 0 82.6 212 1 53.0

10.Branch, Drew........ NWLA JR 4 29 12 3 41.4 110 0 27.5

SOUTHLAND CONFERENCE:

Offense
Nathan Brown, Central Arkansas, Jr., QB, 6-2, 209, Russellville, Ark.
Brown wins the offensive award for the second week in a row after leading the Central Arkansas Bears to a 63-21 win over visiting Texas State. He completed 16-of-20 passes for 313 yards and seven touchdowns (0 interceptions). Brown set a school record with the seven TD passes. Six of them came in the first half and he collected his seventh on the first possession of second half and left the game. Brown helped UCA capture ESPN’s No. 1 Play of the Day on Thursday (showed all seven TDs in their entirety). As a team, UCA tied the Southland Conference record with eight touchdown passes. In his last three games, Brown is 70-of-98 for 1,060 yards and 12 TDs (0 INT). UCA finished with 662 yards of total offense (4th best in school history) last week. xthumbsupx

National Player of the Week Honors Announced
http://www.collegesportingnews.com/section_front.asp?arttypeid=984

[seahawkfan2007]

Bottom line is Johnson is both an incredible passer and runner. Put him on any team and they will be good. SDU without JJ is just average at best. With him, they can play with anyone in FCS.

[JohnStOnge]

Not to get into the "best FCS QB overall" thing but...just talking about the Southland...Derrick Forroux of McNeese has a slightly higher passing efficiency rating than the guy at UCA does (176.2 to 173.2) and is a better athlete/runner. He doesn't have as high a completion percentage (63.93) as Brown (71.11), but he's got a better TD percentage (9.02 to 8.80), a better yards per attempt average (10.41 to 9.45), and a lower interception percentage (2.46 to 3.33). He's also averaged 4.4 yards per carry to Brown's 3.3.

I know UCA fans feel the same way about their own QB but I've seen them both play and I would not give up Forroux for Brown.

[appfan2008]

all around quarterback must be foster... man i cant wait to see hiim up here in boone and i am really interested in how our defense handles him

[BEAR]

Not to get into the "best FCS QB overall" thing but...just talking about the Southland...Derrick Forroux of McNeese has a slightly higher passing efficiency rating than the guy at UCA does (176.2 to 173.2) and is a better athlete/runner. He doesn't have as high a completion percentage (63.93) as Brown (71.11), but he's got a better TD percentage (9.02 to 8.80), a better yards per attempt average (10.41 to 9.45), and a lower interception percentage (2.46 to 3.33). He's also averaged 4.4 yards per carry to Brown's 3.3.

I know UCA fans feel the same way about their own QB but I've seen them both play and I would not give up Forroux for Brown.

I see your points of Forroux. But I have to go with Brown because he is doing it with a team that is 80 percent freshman with no wide receivers returning from last year who made any difference whatsoever, an Oline that is just as young and a defense that is even younger..adding the pressure of having to score to makeup for the lack of defense (which is getting better). Forroux has Jrs and Srs all over that field. You can count on one hand how many Nathan has to work with. xreadx Check out the rosters and see the difference. Not only that but many in the conference, including myself, thought this was going to be a rebuilding year..who didn't? Nathan has made the intangibles come to life. He has made the freshman receiving corp look like seniors. Next year, pending no injuries, Nathans senior year he will be backed by a team that is sophomore laden and could have possibly won the conference the year before. But that's still to be determined. xthumbsupx But Forroux is a baller! That is a fact. xthumbsupx

[McNeese75]

Fourroux is only a sophomore xthumbsupx

[kevin1633]

i have looked at some posts that have bomar as the best qb. I have watched him in person twice now and both times he is very inaccurate. His receivers have been making good catches to help him out. I will give bomar credit he is a gifted athlete. Reminds me of Vick.

[BEAR]

Fourroux is only a sophomore xthumbsupx


That's what's scary about Forroux. Two more years of playing like that and he will win the award for the best QB in the Southland hands down. But Nathan is here one more year! xlolx

[McNeese75]

i have looked at some posts that have bomar as the best qb. I have watched him in person twice now and both times he is very inaccurate. His receivers have been making good catches to help him out. I will give bomar credit he is a gifted athlete. Reminds me of Vick.

A lot of Bison fans were talking him up as the best in the FCS after the game in Fargo. He is a very good athlete but he does not have the supporting cast he needs at the receiver position (well actually enough receivers that can catch the bullet pass he throws). Our sophomore QB outperformed him passing and rushing Saturday night. xnodx

[Kill'em]

all around quarterback must be foster... man i cant wait to see hiim up here in boone and i am really interested in how our defense handles him
If he and/or the coaching staff don't find a way to get the ball into other hands, you will handle him just fine. Defenses have found a way to stop him. There should be someone else who can have success because they are keying on Foster.

[Stang Fever]

Josh Johnson is one of just a few FCS QB's that will be on an NFL roster next year.


He is overratted as a QB!!!

NFL drafts off of Potential...He has the Potential to be a great Pro football player, but he is not as good as advertised. His stats are skewd to far. But I cant wait for him to play some real talent. I for one will be routing him on. BU as for best FCS QB's he is a TOP 5 but far from Number 1.

He is the COlt BRENNON of FCS

[Stang Fever]

Being the best QB means winning and intangibles are a big part of that. The question to ask yourself is who you want with the game on the line.

You cant answer this question with JJ of USD, cause he has never been put in a postion to have the game on the line and actually win!!xlolx xlolx
Either speaks of how great he is, or how terrible the teams he plays

[Pauly LB]

Bottom line is Johnson is both an incredible passer and runner. Put him on any team and they will be good. SDU without JJ is just average at best. With him, they can play with anyone in FCS.

Just how can anyone tell what Johnson would do against a decent FCS team? The SDU schedule does not permit that to happen and they are a LONGSHOT to make the playoffs...

[USDFAN_55]

He is overratted as a QB!!!

NFL drafts off of Potential...He has the Potential to be a great Pro football player, but he is not as good as advertised. His stats are skewd to far. But I cant wait for him to play some real talent. I for one will be routing him on. BU as for best FCS QB's he is a TOP 5 but far from Number 1.

He is the COlt BRENNON of FCS

How is he the Colt Brennan of the FCS. He throws the ball 20 to 25 times a game. They aren't running a run-and-shoot offense. It is the west coast offense, the same offense NFL teams use.

Please tell me how he is overrated? How many games have you gone and seen him play? Some of the Poly fans in here are a bunch of haters.

[Retro]

That's what's scary about Forroux. Two more years of playing like that and he will win the award for the best QB in the Southland hands down. But Nathan is here one more year! xlolx

Nathan Brown looks to be a solid QB, but his best passing numbers came againest the worst pass defense in the FCS, the worst!.. Both teams have played a lot of weak pass defense teams, but Fourroux has thrown a lot fewer passes and has gotten much more out of them in addition to being a better runner... Part of that is due to not having to rely solely on the pass.. The other part is just making better decisions.

Looking at their competition so far, Forroux has faced slightly better pass defenses overall, but he beat a better pass defense from ULL and UCA lost to LA Tech, whose is worse than ULL in that category..

It will be interested to see Brown play againest the Mcneese Defense. Likely the toughest he'll face this year.xrulesx

We can also put the Bomar talk to sleep.. He was out done by Forroux and should be off the Payton list and replaced by Forroux at least.. xthumbsupx

[SLO_LIFE]

Some of the Poly fans in here are a bunch of haters.

You can take that complaint to your former HC.

[USDFAN_55]

You can take that complaint to your former HC.

More of an observation than a complaint.xnodx

[UCABEARS75]

Nathan Brown looks to be a solid QB, but his best passing numbers came againest the worst pass defense in the FCS, the worst!.. Both teams have played a lot of weak pass defense teams, but Fourroux has thrown a lot fewer passes and has gotten much more out of them in addition to being a better runner... Part of that is due to not having to rely solely on the pass.. The other part is just making better decisions.

Looking at their competition so far, Forroux has faced slightly better pass defenses overall, but he beat a better pass defense from ULL and UCA lost to LA Tech, whose is worse than ULL in that category..

It will be interested to see Brown play againest the Mcneese Defense. Likely the toughest he'll face this year.xrulesx

We can also put the Bomar talk to sleep.. He was out done by Forroux and should be off the Payton list and replaced by Forroux at least.. xthumbsupx

Bomar was also out done by Brown at Sam Houston. Not argueing who is better between Brown and Forroux, that will play out over the next few weeks and next year, but Brown as a leader, passer, decision maker, even runner although he is slower and smaller, kicked Bomar's rear in a head to head match up.

[McNeese75]

Bomar was also out done by Brown at Sam Houston. Not argueing who is better between Brown and Forroux, that will play out over the next few weeks and next year, but Brown as a leader, passer, decision maker, even runner although he is slower and smaller, kicked Bomar's rear in a head to head match up.

That boy has been kicking ass and taking names all season xthumbsupx

[JohnStOnge]

But I have to go with Brown because he is doing it with a team that is 80 percent freshman with no wide receivers returning from last year who made any difference whatsoever, an Oline that is just as young and a defense that is even younger..

They may be young but they can play. Only game I've seen is Texas State but Brown was getting great pass protection, his receivers were getting wide open most of the time, and the running game was going great.