Armanti Edwards

[blur2005]

I can't find any solid word on him so I was wondering if someone would inform me and the rest of AGS what exactly is going on with App State's star QB.

[ASU88]

He was considered day-to-day all week but he did not dress yesterday (jersey and sweat pants ... no equipment.) This was the first game he has not been available to play. It seems to be pretty hush-hush as to how serious it is.

Going back, he was hurt in a scrimmage game during the Summer. Aggravated the injury in the Michigan game. Sat out a couple and started at Wofford. Got sacked and aggravated the injury again. And that's where we are now.

[Peems]

Apparently they are just giving the rest of the SoCon a head start, and he will be back soon ;)

[ASU88]

I certainly don't think Jerry Moore minds if teams struggle with how to prepare for the ASU offense and the differences that come with Edwards or Elder leading it.
:)

[EmeryZach]

I'll tell you right now that he better get healthy soon. No Armanti = No Championship this year. Just my opinion, i'm sure everyone from App State will tell me I am wrong.

[Saint3333]

The next game AE would possibly be back would be GSU on Oct. 20th.

[appman111]

He won't play next week vs. Gardner-Webb. We play BYE the next week, so he will have had nearly 4 weeks to rest his shoulder before the Georgia Southern game.

You have to think if he doesnt play against GS, he will be redshirted.

[appsrmyteam]

I'm on staff in the library at App. Armanti Edwards, Tony Robertson, Coco Hillary, and Cortez Gilbert are student employees in the library working a few hours a week. All but Cortez worked there this summer and each currently work a few hours a week. Those are 4 very fine young men and so much fun to be around. I am not their direct supervisor, but I know their direct supervisor and she keeps me informed of whats happening with each of the men. Armanti had not seen a doctor about his shoulder until last Thursday. He was being treated by the sports medicine people at App. He finally saw a specialist. I don't know what is really wrong with his shoulder, but he was given a cortizone shot and his arm was put in a sling and he was to wear it for 2 days and was not to throw until sometime this week. Armanti says his shoulder does not hurt when he throws, only if he hits it.

[james_lawfirm]

I'll tell you right now that he better get healthy soon. No Armanti = No Championship this year. Just my opinion, i'm sure everyone from App State will tell me I am wrong.

Maybe. Trey Elder is a handful all by himself. 500+ yds total offense in Elon game. Trey is an extremely accurate passer & good runner. I have no problem with either QB. Having seen both, I think both are capable of leading ASU to another title.

It's the defense I wonder about. LOTS of missed tackles lately. If THAT is remedied, then I like our chances.

[ASU88]

I'll tell you right now that he better get healthy soon. No Armanti = No Championship this year. Just my opinion, i'm sure everyone from App State will tell me I am wrong.
I won't tell you you're wrong. We have our best chance if he's healthy and on track.

I would not say we wouldn't have a chance without him. I think Trey Elder is good enough to get it done, but we couldn't have the issues we've been having on defense and special teams.

To be honest, we likely wouldn't overcome those issues even WITH Armanti.

[Reed Rothchild]

Just wait. He'll be intermittently used due to the injury. Then they'll make the championship game and won't play him until late in the 1st half. He'll spark the offense to a touchdown and App won't look back. Then a d-end will strip the ball from the opposing qb and the other end will scoop and score.
xbawlingx xbawlingx xbawlingx xbawlingx xbawlingx xrotatehx xrotatehx xrotatehx xrotatehx

[james_lawfirm]

I'm on staff in the library at App. Armanti Edwards, Tony Robertson, Coco Hillary, and Cortez Gilbert are student employees in the library working a few hours a week. All but Cortez worked there this summer and each currently work a few hours a week. Those are 4 very fine young men and so much fun to be around. I am not their direct supervisor, but I know their direct supervisor and she keeps me informed of whats happening with each of the men. Armanti had not seen a doctor about his shoulder until last Thursday. He was being treated by the sports medicine people at App. He finally saw a specialist. I don't know what is really wrong with his shoulder, but he was given a cortizone shot and his arm was put in a sling and he was to wear it for 2 days and was not to throw until sometime this week. Armanti says his shoulder does not hurt when he throws, only if he hits it.


Apps:
Don't know who you are, but if a reporter asked the hospital for the info you just treated the entire AGS universe to, he would be refused and told to give that out without permission was a HIPAA violation (translation = it was illegal). I suggest in the future don't post any medical info about anyone without their permission.

[james_lawfirm]

Just wait. He'll be intermittently used due to the injury. Then they'll make the championship game and won't play him until late in the 1st half. He'll spark the offense to a touchdown and App won't look back. Then a d-end will strip the ball from the opposing qb and the other end will scoop and score.
xbawlingx xbawlingx xbawlingx xbawlingx xbawlingx xrotatehx xrotatehx xrotatehx xrotatehx

Reed:
I like your train of thought here, having seen it once before. However, that play only works if the QB has a LEG injury. Not a SHOULDER injury. Jeez. What a dweeb!

[EmeryZach]

Hey Jams_lawfirm, shhhhh. Appsrmyteam had some great info there, haha, we need more inside scoop on AGS.

[whoanellie]

JMHO- Having seen yesterday's game and a few play-off games last season I can understand App's concern in that A-E is a play maker extraordinary ability. A true triple threat.
With Elder as QB ASU must rely on a really balanced running game. I wont name all the culprits but these guys know how to win and it will take a great effort to beat them,,,, oh didn't Wofford do that?

[Peems]

JMHO- Having seen yesterday's game and a few play-off games last season I can understand App's concern in that A-E is a play maker extraordinary ability. A true triple threat.
With Elder as QB ASU must rely on a really balanced running game. I wont name all the culprits but these guys know how to win and it will take a great effort to beat them,,,, oh didn't Wofford do that?

Run, Pass and...Kick?xconfusedxxconfusedx


;)

[Peems]

He won't play next week vs. Gardner-Webb. We play BYE the next week, so he will have had nearly 4 weeks to rest his shoulder before the Georgia Southern game.

You have to think if he doesnt play against GS, he will be redshirted.

Isn't too late to use a medical redshirt seeing that he played in the Wofford game? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

[Kill'em]

The next game AE would possibly be back would be GSU on Oct. 20th.

Figures. :(

[Saint3333]

He's only played in two games this year. I believe the rule is if you play in less than 20% of the regular season games.

[appstate38]

Don't stick a fork in us just yet. Besides, I will be one of many who would say that AE brings a little something extra that maybe Elder is lacking in his game, but I have to give the man his due. Elder led a fine offense effort yesterday. I will also give Elder even more credit about the kind of teammate he must be. It could have been easy for him to be bitter after being returned to the backup role last year but he didn't do that and I think it has only made this team stronger.xthumbsupx

[gophoenix]

The next game AE would possibly be back would be GSU on Oct. 20th.

Yeah, the Times-News quoted Jerry Moore saying that. Elder is more than capable. He'd be a starter at most FCS schools.

[AlphaSigMD]

Apps:
Don't know who you are, but if a reporter asked the hospital for the info you just treated the entire AGS universe to, he would be refused and told to give that out without permission was a HIPAA violation (translation = it was illegal). I suggest in the future don't post any medical info about anyone without their permission.

Ok, I'd like to weigh in here, because this is something that I am familiar with. Its interesting that you have myself, representing the all that is good and upstanding (doctors) vs. the embodiment of evil (lawyers). xsmiley_wix

A hospital staff is a privilaged party when it comes to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA). They operate under a umbrella of red tape, and they have multiple levels of concern and security involved in making sure that PHI (Protected Health Information) remain's just that, "Protected."

Now, the way the story goes according to the previous poster (who is not a privilaged party), his information/gossip was obtained thru a channel that leads directly back to the covered party(AE) themselves. If a covered party decides to divulge his own PHI, then that is his choice, and he must live with the consequences. It is neither illegal or uncommon for such occurences to happen.

As far as ethical reasons, obviously jerry moore and AE are going to great lengths to keep this info quiet. Perhaps as a fan, one would honor those requests.

[lizrdgizrd]

I don't think there's been any question that Armanti has had a nagging shoulder issue. It's still just a question of how long he needs to rest it to be back to 100%.

[WUTNDITWAA]

I'll tell you right now that he better get healthy soon. No Armanti = No Championship this year. Just my opinion, i'm sure everyone from App State will tell me I am wrong.

I won't tell you that you're wrong, but Appalachian isn't having trouble scoring points.

[AppMan]

I won't tell you that you're wrong, but Appalachian isn't having trouble scoring points.

ASU can win another national championship with Trey at QB. We have far more pressing issues than our QB. The O-line is beat up and several defensive players have nagging injuries. We just don't have the swagger back yet. I saw signs of it late in the day on Saturday, but we've still got a ways to go.

[igo4uni]

I hope he is healthy and playing again soon. He sure is fun to watch!!

[EmeryZach]

Armanti just brings you guys to another level. Yes, Elder is good, but I'd much rather play against him than Edwards. I was at that Championship game last year and Armanti was the game changer. UMass hadn't gone up against a mobile QB like that all year, and it killed us. Teams have much more trouble, on a whole, with mobile QB's than pocket QB's.

[justsaying]

Ok, I'd like to weigh in here, because this is something that I am familiar with. Its interesting that you have myself, representing the all that is good and upstanding (doctors) vs. the embodiment of evil (lawyers). xsmiley_wix

A hospital staff is a privilaged party when it comes to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA). They operate under a umbrella of red tape, and they have multiple levels of concern and security involved in making sure that PHI (Protected Health Information) remain's just that, "Protected."

Now, the way the story goes according to the previous poster (who is not a privilaged party), his information/gossip was obtained thru a channel that leads directly back to the covered party(AE) themselves. If a covered party decides to divulge his own PHI, then that is his choice, and he must live with the consequences. It is neither illegal or uncommon for such occurences to happen.

As far as ethical reasons, obviously jerry moore and AE are going to great lengths to keep this info quiet. Perhaps as a fan, one would honor those requests.

Yeah, I don't think he violated any Patient Doctor confidentiality Laws.xrulesx

[lizrdgizrd]

Armanti just brings you guys to another level. Yes, Elder is good, but I'd much rather play against him than Edwards. I was at that Championship game last year and Armanti was the game changer. UMass hadn't gone up against a mobile QB like that all year, and it killed us. Teams have much more trouble, on a whole, with mobile QB's than pocket QB's.
Elder's a mobile QB, but he's not as quick or fast as AE.

[EmeryZach]

I know, but you know what I mean, he's mobile but he's not Armanti mobile.

[FCSFAN]

Trey is fast though, faster than Richie (the QB that won ASU championship #1).

[KiddBrewer]

ha what if they red shirted armanti.......and we still won the NC?

haha just a passing thought of no importance or reality

[EmeryZach]

Then I would be wrong, very wrong, hahaha.

You know this is going to come back to haunt me if you guys beat us in the national championship with elder at qb.

[KiddBrewer]

probably not the right thread for this, and a little premature, but does the SoCon have co-champions in the event of a tie in records, or does the team that won head to head get it? .....ha dont worry, whos to say im talking about woffy and app.....

[boonedocks]

I'm concered less with the QB situation, and more with the defensive line. I thought that was the main concern heading into this season, and thus far I feel like I was right. Also, the overall injury picture, outside of just Armanti is a problem. There are some key o-linemen who are injured at this point. In short, App must get better D-line play. IMO

[thmst30]

I am close to someone who works with the team and I know more about AE then I am supposed too, however I cannot post that info because I promised I wouldn't spill the beans to the world. However, if everything goes to plan you should see AE against GS in 2 weeks. The bye week is a HUGE plus for him.

[Eagle22]

probably not the right thread for this, and a little premature, but does the SoCon have co-champions in the event of a tie in records, or does the team that won head to head get it? .....ha dont worry, whos to say im talking about woffy and app.....

Yes, there would be co-champions ... and in the event of two teams sharing the championship, the head-to-head winner would receive the auto-bid.

In 1999, the SoCon title was split three ways ... with GSU, ASU and Furman all sharing a part of the title ...

[SirApp]

I'm concered less with the QB situation, and more with the defensive line. I thought that was the main concern heading into this season, and thus far I feel like I was right. Also, the overall injury picture, outside of just Armanti is a problem. There are some key o-linemen who are injured at this point. In short, App must get better D-line play. IMO

Washington was impressive on Saturday. I think it's his time to be a starter. I'm still not opposed to moving Tharrington to DT. He's big and quick. Could be the Omarr type while Anthony Williams is an Orlebar type. Just some thought.

[CamelCityAppFan]

While I certainly want Edwards back in the lineup as soon as he can be effective, I'm not too concerned about the team in Elder's hand. He's a mature and experienced QB who does a good job of running the offense.

As others have said, I'm more concerned with how banged up the lines on both sides of the ball seem to be. Last year the o-line and d-line were both so explosive off the ball; that seems to be missing this year.

Fortunately, we have youth and talent on our side, so medium term (next 2 seasons or so) we're looking pretty good, I think. But the same can be said for many of our conference opponents, so should be an interesting couple of years in the SoCon!

[lizrdgizrd]

I'm concered less with the QB situation, and more with the defensive line. I thought that was the main concern heading into this season, and thus far I feel like I was right. Also, the overall injury picture, outside of just Armanti is a problem. There are some key o-linemen who are injured at this point. In short, App must get better D-line play. IMO
I'm with you on that one. Our defense couldn't get any pressure on Riddle until the 4th quarter. xnonono2x

[appstate38]

Armanti just brings you guys to another level. Yes, Elder is good, but I'd much rather play against him than Edwards. I was at that Championship game last year and Armanti was the game changer. UMass hadn't gone up against a mobile QB like that all year, and it killed us. Teams have much more trouble, on a whole, with mobile QB's than pocket QB's.

Meaning no disrespect but don't forget about K. Richardson. I seem to remember him running wild for 4 TD's in that game as well. He was as big if not bigger fact in our win last year.

[EmeryZach]

I agree, but when you have to worry about Armanti running that helps Richardson a lot too. Trust me, I am just as afraid of Richardson.

[james_lawfirm]

Ok, I'd like to weigh in here, because this is something that I am familiar with. Its interesting that you have myself, representing the all that is good and upstanding (doctors) vs. the embodiment of evil (lawyers). xsmiley_wix

A hospital staff is a privilaged party when it comes to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA). They operate under a umbrella of red tape, and they have multiple levels of concern and security involved in making sure that PHI (Protected Health Information) remain's just that, "Protected."

Now, the way the story goes according to the previous poster (who is not a privilaged party), his information/gossip was obtained thru a channel that leads directly back to the covered party(AE) themselves. If a covered party decides to divulge his own PHI, then that is his choice, and he must live with the consequences. It is neither illegal or uncommon for such occurences to happen.

As far as ethical reasons, obviously jerry moore and AE are going to great lengths to keep this info quiet. Perhaps as a fan, one would honor those requests.

Embodiment of evil??? OK, Dr. Kivorkian.

[walliver]

Yes, there would be co-champions ... and in the event of two teams sharing the championship, the head-to-head winner would receive the auto-bid.

In 1999, the SoCon title was split three ways ... with GSU, ASU and Furman all sharing a part of the title ...


The Southern Conference actually does not use the term "co-champions". If there is a tie for first, all of the teams that tie for first are crowned "champions". There are mechanisms for breaking the tie for play-off purposes, but these mechanisms are not used for determining "champions".

[AlphaSigMD]

Embodiment of evil??? OK, Dr. Kivorkian.

Dr. Kevorkian gets a bad name because he acted in what he believed was his patient's best interest. Lawyer's act in what they believe is in the best interest of their client's bank accounts...and their own . Just see former Sen. John Edwards (xliarx) who did his part in raising malpractice insurance rates 10 fold. :( THAT'S Criminal! xnonono2x

[mcveyrl]

Dr. Kevorkian gets a bad name because he acted in what he believed was his patient's best interest. Lawyer's act in what they believe is in the best interest of their client's bank accounts...and their own . Just see former Sen. John Edwards (xliarx) who did his part in raising malpractice insurance rates 10 fold. :( THAT'S Criminal! xnonono2x

I hope to God you're kidding.

For every John Edwards, there's somebody (probably 10 somebodies) out there at legal aid helping the indigent get representation they deserve.

Also, the equivalent to John Edwards in the medical profession - all of these doctors that are obsessed with whether their patients have insurance and what insurance will cover instead of what patients actually need.

There's people like that in every profession. The norm is usually in the middle.

By the way, I guarantee my doctor's hourly rate (if you multiplied the time spent with me by his bill) is higher than mine.

If you really want to get somebody for raising malpractice rates, let's get on the doctors who will testify against other doctors and say they deviated from the standard of care. There's not a malpractice carrier out there who's worth anything that will pay a dime before an expert comes in to say that.

On top of that, there are, GASP, legitimate malpractice suits filed every day. You don't want to get sued for malpractice, DON'T FUG PEOPLE UP!!

On top of that, there are juries. It's not cool to blame stuff on the common man, though, so it couldn't possibly be the juries fault for awarding large sums. xrolleyesx They were misled by the crafty lawyer. Well, maybe the defense lawyer should've been better.

But you're right. John Edwards and lawyers are the problem.
*stepping off soap box*
:o sorry, get a little preachy when people think that it's only lawyers who cause problems in this country.

[james_lawfirm]

Dr. Kevorkian gets a bad name because he acted in what he believed was his patient's best interest. Lawyer's act in what they believe is in the best interest of their client's bank accounts...and their own . Just see former Sen. John Edwards (xliarx) who did his part in raising malpractice insurance rates 10 fold. :( THAT'S Criminal! xnonono2x

Darn, I was all geared up to reply to this post, but McVerl beat me to it.

To quote another AGS poster: "TOO - SHAY"

[Col Hogan]

I'm sorry...I thought I was in a football thread...

Didn't realize I stumbled into the annual AMA/ABA boxing match...

Carry on...:p xrolleyesx :D :D :D

[EmeryZach]

Wow, this thread got really off topic.

So, how will Armanti play when he returns? Will he be the same old Armanti, or will he be shy about running because of the shoulder?

[james_lawfirm]

Wow, this thread got really off topic.

So, how will Armanti play when he returns? Will he be the same old Armanti, or will he be shy about running because of the shoulder?


I'll be danged if I know. If past experience is any indication, he'll be running hell for leather until he can't.

I just hope he gets healed up completely. Are there any real doctors in the house who want to share their vast knowledge of football and shoulder injuries with us? Just kidding. I love doctors. xsmoochx

[james_lawfirm]

Dr. Kevorkian gets a bad name because he acted in what he believed was his patient's best interest. Lawyer's act in what they believe is in the best interest of their client's bank accounts...and their own . Just see former Sen. John Edwards (xliarx) who did his part in raising malpractice insurance rates 10 fold. :( THAT'S Criminal! xnonono2x

Actually, I think he has a bad name because he killed people. Last I checked, that's a criminal offense in most parts.

How on earth do you know that lawyers act like that? Is it possible you know nothing of which you speak?

I cannot disagree re: Sen. Edwards.

[appfan2008]

our dline needs to put some pressure on the quarterback and that didnt happen the entire first half on saturday... when that does happen good things come of it (2nd half)

[james_lawfirm]

our dline needs to put some pressure on the quarterback and that didnt happen the entire first half on saturday... when that does happen good things come of it (2nd half)

Appfan:

Thanks for getting this thread back on track. Whew!

I agree that if App can get its D-line working more like it did in the 2nd half vs. Elon, then good things will happen.

[CID1990]

I hope to God you're kidding.

For every John Edwards, there's somebody (probably 10 somebodies) out there at legal aid helping the indigent get representation they deserve.

Also, the equivalent to John Edwards in the medical profession - all of these doctors that are obsessed with whether their patients have insurance and what insurance will cover instead of what patients actually need.

There's people like that in every profession. The norm is usually in the middle.

By the way, I guarantee my doctor's hourly rate (if you multiplied the time spent with me by his bill) is higher than mine.

If you really want to get somebody for raising malpractice rates, let's get on the doctors who will testify against other doctors and say they deviated from the standard of care. There's not a malpractice carrier out there who's worth anything that will pay a dime before an expert comes in to say that.

On top of that, there are, GASP, legitimate malpractice suits filed every day. You don't want to get sued for malpractice, DON'T FUG PEOPLE UP!!

On top of that, there are juries. It's not cool to blame stuff on the common man, though, so it couldn't possibly be the juries fault for awarding large sums. xrolleyesx They were misled by the crafty lawyer. Well, maybe the defense lawyer should've been better.

But you're right. John Edwards and lawyers are the problem.
*stepping off soap box*
:o sorry, get a little preachy when people think that it's only lawyers who cause problems in this country.

Well quoted from every state BAR association's play book.

[mcveyrl]

Well quoted from every state BAR association's play book.

Yea, I stick by that, but I need to apologize for taking the thread off course.

I won't be responding past this.

[app1995]

coach moore said on the socon weekly press that he did not know if edwards would play any the rest of the year,looks more and more that trey will be the qb with coco backing him up.

[Kill'em]

Yea, I stick by that, but I need to apologize for taking the thread off course.

I won't be responding past this.

I think everyone here has been guilty of that.

[mcveyrl]

I think everyone here has been guilty of that.

Yea, but I went "Poli Wing Rant" off course.:D

[Death Dealer]

Actually, I think he has a bad name because he killed people. Last I checked, that's a criminal offense in most parts.

How on earth do you know that lawyers act like that? Is it possible you know nothing of which you speak?

I cannot disagree re: Sen. Edwards.I have lots of lawyers in my family and as friends, so I can say that not all act that way. The glaringly bad apples make the best press and thus make it tough for all the rest. I have never been sued for malpractice, but I have had friends who have and in one particular case know for a fact that he in no way deviated from SOC, becasue I was there when the occurence supposedly happened. But they brought in some hack for hire and tried to prove that he did. My buddy refused to settle and we have a great insurance company who said O.K. So it goes to court and they get their a$$es handed to them and the case is thrown out and they have to pay my buddies court costs. It was sweet to see justice prevail.


Now, BOT, I hope Edwards can get healthy quickly. I hate to see such a talented kid miss a chance to play. But I have to admit that I am glad that Trey is getting a chance to shine. As classy as he has been about it all, you know it is tough to stand there week after week and watch someone else take that snap when you're as talented as he is.

[appfan2008]

coach moore said on the socon weekly press that he did not know if edwards would play any the rest of the year,looks more and more that trey will be the qb with coco backing him up.

i would love to see coco get a shot at running this offense... he is an explosive athlete

[proasu89]

i would love to see coco get a shot at running this offense... he is an explosive athlete

Hopefully CoCo will get some snaps against G-W.

[app1995]

i think that we will see coco some this week,as we all know on every play one may get hurt,coachs allways say to the back ups,you are one play away from playing.

[james_lawfirm]

Hopefully CoCo will get some snaps against G-W.

I hope so too, but only after we're up about 35 - 3 in the third. Good experience for him. He'll do well, I'm sure.

[citdog]

i think that we will see coco some this week,as we all know on every play one may get hurt,coachs allways say to the back ups,you are one play away from playing.

more authentic frontier gibberish from yosef

[AlphaSigMD]

I hope to God you're kidding.

For every John Edwards, there's somebody (probably 10 somebodies) out there at legal aid helping the indigent get representation they deserve.

Also, the equivalent to John Edwards in the medical profession - all of these doctors that are obsessed with whether their patients have insurance and what insurance will cover instead of what patients actually need.

There's people like that in every profession. The norm is usually in the middle.

By the way, I guarantee my doctor's hourly rate (if you multiplied the time spent with me by his bill) is higher than mine.

If you really want to get somebody for raising malpractice rates, let's get on the doctors who will testify against other doctors and say they deviated from the standard of care. There's not a malpractice carrier out there who's worth anything that will pay a dime before an expert comes in to say that.

On top of that, there are, GASP, legitimate malpractice suits filed every day. You don't want to get sued for malpractice, DON'T FUG PEOPLE UP!!

On top of that, there are juries. It's not cool to blame stuff on the common man, though, so it couldn't possibly be the juries fault for awarding large sums. xrolleyesx They were misled by the crafty lawyer. Well, maybe the defense lawyer should've been better.

But you're right. John Edwards and lawyers are the problem.
*stepping off soap box*
:o sorry, get a little preachy when people think that it's only lawyers who cause problems in this country.

WOW, the threads you will miss when you step away from the computer for an evening. xthumbsupx

My point in the previous post was to contrast Kevorkian with Edwards. The both helped people at the expense of somebody else. But since you want to try to spin this...

The biggest difference here is that people who have insurance think they are entitled to the best care possible. Insurance companies want to control costs. And doctor's get caught in the middle. I know NO doctor who wants to offer anything BUT the best care, and we spend HOURS on the phone everyday with the insurance company trying to justify ourselves to paper pushers who might, just might have a undergrad degree in order to get that done. Its very trying, but we always do our best with what we can, regardless of how penny pinching the insurance company is. Sometimes, tests don’t happen because the company says no, and there’s no way to pay to outsource the test. We order a 1000 dollar test, and insurance won't cover it...so who pays...not the patient, because they feel entitled because of "insurance".

As far as the "my MD makes more than me speech per hour". Lets say you, as a lawyer charge somebody 100 dollars and hour, you expect to be paid 100 dollars. However, with insurance and medicare and medicaid, many patients don't pay us at all, they leave it up to the insurance. The insurance then turns around and pays us 15 dollars. Thats why so many doctors are leaving the game. While this has little to do with our argument, you chose to compare and contrast per-hour so its fair game in my book. You compound that with those who are charity cases, and those who fall on hard times and don't pay, and you do well to scratch through with a living after paying a staff, a quarter mil in med school tuition and paying ludicrous malpractice(unless you live in florida). Suddenly all those years in medical school don’t pay off as much as they once did.

Also, if you've ever tried a malpractice case, then you know that a jury is about as adept at deciding the "standard of care" as a blind man is at judging a pig contest. Sure, there are ways to do it, but they are all cumbersome, time consuming and uncomfortable. Can they pick out the really bad things, like leaving a tool in somebody or cutting off the wrong arm...yes! You've got no problem from me there. But ask them to decide whether or not a CPMR baby was harmed by the OB-Gyn (4%) or if it was a majority of the CPMR cases that occur between 32-36 weeks of gestation (96%). So that means for every 100 cases of CPMR that are litigated, on average 4 are due to something that the doctor could control. The other 96 just make people rich at a good doctor's expense.

If have tried a case, then you also know the way MD’s get incorporated into a lawsuit. A paralegal takes the medical file and highlights every MDs name in the chart. They all get brought up in the suit together. Doesn’t matter if they saw the patient once for 10 seconds, if their name is in the file for any reason, then they get sued.

Also, as far as “not fuging people up”: Lets put it this way, all doctors make decisions based on partial information. Why? BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY TO GET ALL THE INFORMATION YOU NEED IS AT AUTOPSY. Not many patients will come to your office asking for one of those. Thus, we make decisions the best we can based on the training we have. But lets face it, people are sick when they see a doctor, and they won’t always do well or even survive. Is that the doctor’s fault? Sometimes, but very rarely. Here’s a secret: Doctors can do lots of things, but we aren’t miracle workers. What we cannot control is OUTCOME. And it is outcomes that we are most often sued over. But that’s right, LAWYERS can always see outcomes, because they look in RETROSPECT! Anyone who underestimates the power of looking at outcomes in retrospect as opposed to looking at processes in realtime is lying to themselves. Imagine if you got sued every time you lost a case you thought was winnable?

Also, I agree with you, the MD's that "testify" against other doctors in some of these more shady suits share the blame. Perhaps they wouldn't do so, if they weren't being paid HUGE sums of money by the law firms, who then go on to profit from what their picked pony told on the witness stand. It's still their choice, but saying that its not a lawyer sponsored dog and pony show is just short-sighted. It’s a well rehearsed, well choreographed character assassination, bought and paid for by guess who…the lawyers office. Of course the tab is later picked up by the client, but that’s just a formality.

Perhaps I was too sarcastic with my previous post, and it certainly was not meant to get down to the nitty-gritty, but come on you really expect people to believe that the Law Offices of Michael Sokolove care about them more than their Doctor that has sworn the oath? Laughable...

If you'd like to carry this banter on further, feel free to PM me.

[AlphaSigMD]

I hope so too, but only after we're up about 35 - 3 in the third. Good experience for him. He'll do well, I'm sure.

Lets just hope he doesn't get hurt by some 3rd string defensive end. That would be our luck this season...

[EmeryZach]

Oh my god, what is going on here? xconfusedx xcoffeex

So, Armanti Edwards is hurt?? xsmiley_wix xlolx xlolx ;)

[mcveyrl]

I moved the other discussion to the poli wing. Saved the mods some time.

Yes, he's hurt, I've heard it's his shoulder.xlolx xlolx