Top 25 most well known/popular FCS schools?

[flyenhigh]

What are the most popular/well known 1AA schools as a whole, including all factors academic, football, basketball, prestige, etc.

My top 25:

1) Harvard
2) Yale
3) Princeton
4) Massachusetts
5) Villanova
6) Pennsylvania
7) Brown
8) Georgetown
9) Columbia
10) Bucknell
11) Cornell
12) Dayton
13) Colgate
14) Butler
15) Delaware
16) Lehigh
17) Dartmouth
18) Youngstown State
19) Valparaiso
20) Montana
21) Appalachian State
22) James Madison
23) Holy Cross
24) Richmond
25) San Diego


What is your top 25?

[FCS_pwns_FBS]

The Ivies are obviously at the top. And I don't know about including JMU, Richmond, App. State, YSU, and Montana without putting GSU in there. I wasn't aware that UMass was so famous, either.

[SuperJon]

I don't know about an entire Top 25, but Liberty's got to be on there, simply because of our founder and people know about us (don't necessarily like us).

[UNHWildCats]

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I may check back in later with my top 25 FCS/I-AA teams. :p

[catbob]

Well being a casual fan for many years (until I went to Montana State), on your list I had never heard of:

Colgate, Pennsylvania, Delaware, App State, JMU, Richmond or San Diego

[TexasTerror]

No SWAC schools? I'm a bit confused on how such a list could not include Grambling...

[roberb7]

Well being a casual fan for many years (until I went to Montana State), on your list I had never heard of:

Colgate, Pennsylvania, Delaware, App State, JMU, Richmond or San Diego

Colgate, Penn, and Delaware are all well known on the Right Coast, and I'm sure that a lot of Right Coast people have never heard of San Diego. Or Montana.

JMU was known for most of its history as "Madison", and was all or mostly women.

Villanova and Georgetown are, of course, well known for their basketball teams, and Georgetown has long had a strong reputation for academics and its not-far-from-Capitol-Hill location.

I would have put Delaware a few notches higher on this list. It was known 40 years ago as a good place to go to school, and, because of Tubby Raymond, was considered, along with Grambling, the pre-eminent non-Big Time football program.

I would also remove Dayton from the list.

[Mountain Panther]

What are the most popular/well known 1AA schools as a whole, including all factors academic, football, basketball, prestige, etc.

UNI's football, basketball, track & field, volleyball and wrestling (not to mention academics) successes definitely warrant a spot in your Top 25.

[WoCoTerrier]

Where's Woff.... never mind.

[GSUISBACK]

What's San diego known for?

[RadMann]

For pure name recognition, the Ivies are about the only ones I would even list. There are some others that, due to their membership and success in big-time college basketball, are also well known to the general public. For purely football recognition, the list is even smaller. Some of the Ivies were big time long ago and are significant in college football history terms.

This thread really belongs in the AGS Lounge board though....

[Big Dawg]

No SWAC schools? I'm a bit confused on how such a list could not include Grambling...

Yeah or FAMU, Southern, or Howard???

[flyenhigh]

that was my list there was nothing special about it other than those are the top most popular teams in my opinion. Again, the list has nothing to do with how good the football teams are. Just popularity across the board.

[BearsCountry]

Missouri State and Southern Illinois are more well known than Youngstown State by pure name recongination. MVC schools get a ton of pub nationally way more than anyone else in FCS other than Villanova and Georgetown.

[blackfordpu]

What's San diego known for?

Beaches and porn.....xlolx

[mcveyrl]

Without thinking through a list, I'd agree with everybody that the Ivies would be on there. I would also think that several HBCUs would be there too.

[USDFAN_55]

Beaches and porn.....xlolx

Is there anything else that matters?xsmiley_wix

[Franks Tanks]

What's San diego known for?

Agree Nobody knows San Diego. Out east here if you mentioned it 9/10 would think you were refering to San Diego State.

[USDFAN_55]

Agree Nobody knows San Diego. Out east here if you mentioned it 9/10 would think you were refering to San Diego State.

The same can be said out here in the west for the majority of the east coast FCS schools.

[Catsfan2]

I find that people who are not sports fans (or only casual ones) are amazed that University of any State(i.e., Massachusetts, Delaware, Montana, etc.) are not in the top division or subdivision.

[ereiz03]

Agree...on the West Coast, most everybody knows USD. All sports besides football are D-1, not to mention the school has strong academics as well. It's one of the most popular private schools in California. I bet you very few people on this coast have ever heard of the likes of Lehigh, Valaparaiso, Richmond, Holy Cross, etc.

[GOTOREROS]

The same can be said out here in the west for the majority of the east coast FCS schools.

Agreed. Let's all be honest with ourselves and that most of mainstream America knows very few FCS schools. Heck most people had no idea who App St. was prior to beating Michigan.

Now if you are talking about what FCS fans know about FCS schools then that is a different story...

xnodx

[GOTOREROS]

Agree...on the West Coast, most everybody knows USD. All sports besides football are D-1, not to mention the school has strong academics as well. It's one of the most popular private schools in California. I bet you very few people on this coast have ever heard of the likes of Lehigh, Valaparaiso, Richmond, Holy Cross, etc.


US News & World Report ranked San Diego #107 in its top university rankings.....here's the link.....not many FCS schools on the list, especailly when you remove the Ivies.....

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/t1natudoc_brief.php

xthumbsupx

[Blue42]

What are the most popular/well known 1AA schools as a whole, including all factors academic, football, basketball, prestige, etc.

My top 25:

1) Harvard
2) Yale
3) Princeton
4) Massachusetts
5) Villanova
6) Pennsylvania
7) Brown
8) Georgetown
9) Columbia
10) Bucknell
11) Cornell
12) Dayton
13) Colgate
14) Butler
15) Delaware
16) Lehigh
17) Dartmouth
18) Youngstown State
19) Valparaiso
20) Montana
21) Appalachian State
22) James Madison
23) Holy Cross
24) Richmond
25) San Diego


What is your top 25?

Depends on the criteria for the list. Obviously it's not based on overall athletic success. If instead the list is for universal name recognition, this would be the correct list if you've lived east of Pittsburgh your entire life. Otherwise you've got to pull Lehigh, Cornell and Richmond. Butler and Delaware are iffy. Brown stays but not 1% of the population outside New England can name the state it's in.

San Diego would not be in the top 50. Replace them with Cal Poly for some west coast representation.

Agree with prior posters that you've gotta add Grambling, Southern and Howard.

[Blue42]

What are the most popular/well known 1AA schools as a whole, including all factors academic, football, basketball, prestige, etc.

My top 25:

1) Harvard
2) Yale
3) Princeton
4) Massachusetts
5) Villanova
6) Pennsylvania
7) Brown
8) Georgetown
9) Columbia
10) Bucknell
11) Cornell
12) Dayton
13) Colgate
14) Butler
15) Delaware
16) Lehigh
17) Dartmouth
18) Youngstown State
19) Valparaiso
20) Montana
21) Appalachian State
22) James Madison
23) Holy Cross
24) Richmond
25) San Diego


What is your top 25?

Depends on the criteria for the list. Obviously it's not based on overall athletic success. If instead the list is for universal name recognition, this would be the correct list if you've lived east of Pittsburgh your entire life.

Otherwise you've got to pull Lehigh, Cornell and Richmond. Butler and Delaware are iffy. Brown stays but not 1% of the population outside New England can name the state it's in.

San Diego would not be in the top 50. Replace them with Cal Poly for some west coast representation.

Agree with prior posters that you've gotta add Grambling, Southern and Howard.

[skinny_uncle]

In no particular order:

Yale
Princeton
Harvard
Dartmouth
Cornell
Columbia
Pennsylvania
Brown
SIU
UMass
Georgetown
Villanova
Colgate
Georgetown
Holy Cross
Appalachian State
Grambling
Drake
Butler
Dayton
Murray State
Davidson
Indiana State
Youngstown State
Georgia Southern

Many of the schools are well known because of basketball as much as or more than football. Some of the schools, like the Ivies, have just been around a long time. Drake may be unique in that it is know for the Drake Relays, one of the oldest running track meets in the NCAA.

[Seven Would Be Nice]

What's San diego known for?


Discovered by the Germans in 1904, they named it San Diego, which of course in German means a whale's vagina.

http://www.lomblad.net/rob/archives/blogimages/anchorman.jpg

[Blue42]

What are the most popular/well known 1AA schools as a whole, including all factors academic, football, basketball, prestige, etc.

My top 25:

1) Harvard
2) Yale
3) Princeton
4) Massachusetts
5) Villanova
6) Pennsylvania
7) Brown
8) Georgetown
9) Columbia
10) Bucknell
11) Cornell
12) Dayton
13) Colgate
14) Butler
15) Delaware
16) Lehigh
17) Dartmouth
18) Youngstown State
19) Valparaiso
20) Montana
21) Appalachian State
22) James Madison
23) Holy Cross
24) Richmond
25) San Diego


What is your top 25?

Depends on the criteria for the list. Obviously it's not based on overall athletic success. If instead the list is for universal name recognition, this would be the correct list if you've lived east of Pittsburgh your entire life.

Otherwise you've got to pull Lehigh, Cornell and Richmond. Butler and Delaware are iffy. Brown stays but not 1% of the population outside New England can name the state it's in.

San Diego would not be in the top 50. Replace them with Cal Poly for some west coast representation. After all, that's where Tom Cruise was headed to play DB and study engineering in "All the Right Moves" after his tumultuous career with the Ampipe Bulldogs.

Agree with prior posters that you've gotta add Grambling, Southern and Howard.

[GOTOREROS]

Discovered by the Germans in 1904, they named it San Diego, which of course in German means a whale's vagina.

http://www.lomblad.net/rob/archives/blogimages/anchorman.jpg


Maybe one of my favorite movies in quite a while!!! xlolx

[bison137]

Brown stays but not 1% of the population outside New England can name the state it's in.

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You're hanging out with some uneducated people if any of them don't know where Brown is located. BTW, the great majority of Brown students are not from New England. I doubt if you could find any reputable H.S. in the country where the top students and guidance counselors don't know about Brown.

[USDFAN_55]

In no particular order:

Yale
Princeton
Harvard
Dartmouth
Cornell
Columbia
Pennsylvania
Brown
SIU
UMass
Georgetown
Villanova
Colgate
Georgetown
Holy Cross
Appalachian State
Grambling
Drake
Butler
Dayton
Murray State
Davidson
Indiana State
Youngstown State
Georgia Southern

Many of the schools are well known because of basketball as much as or more than football. Some of the schools, like the Ivies, have just been around a long time. Drake may be unique in that it is know for the Drake Relays, one of the oldest running track meets in the NCAA.

Never even heard of those schools until I played football and started following FCS. Once again, this list will show regional bias. It all depends on where you are from.

[GOTOREROS]

You're hanging out with some uneducated people if any of them don't know where Brown is located. BTW, the great majority of Brown students are not from New England. I doubt if you could find any reputable H.S. in the country where the top students and guidance counselors don't know about Brown.

I doubt most people on the west coast could name what state Brown is in - most know its on the east coast but very few know more than that. This is the same type of discusssion where they ask the average American to point out where Iraq is on a world map and most can't do it.....xnodx

[skinny_uncle]

Never even heard of those schools until I played football and started following FCS. Once again, this list will show regional bias. It all depends on where you are from.
After six straight trips to the Dance and a couple of Sweet Sixteen appearances, I think more folks have heard of SIU basketball than football. Most fans who follow college basketball have heard of them along with Davidson, Butler, Holy Cross , UMass, Georgetown, and Villanova. Indiana State will forever be known as the alma mater of Larry Bird. I have a feeling you don't watch March Madness.

[dgreco]

I doubt most people on the west coast could name what state Brown is in - most know its on the east coast but very few know more than that. This is the same type of discusssion where they ask the average American to point out where Iraq is on a world map and most can't do it.....xnodx

idk how true this is. If you look hard enough you can find people in new england who don't know what each state is. Overall an average american knows where most Ivies are located. An educated american knows every school in the patriot league I would say, the only iffy might be american. As far as west coast teams, the most popular would be gonzaga obviously they don't have football but they are up there. Also, if you go midwest with the "FCS" schools I think Indiana State is known by many more as trivia, the school larry bird went to.

I am trying to think of other west coast schools and the only ones I can really think of in division I that I knew before following sports really is cal poly.

[USDFAN_55]

idk how true this is. If you look hard enough you can find people in new england who don't know what each state is. Overall an average american knows where most Ivies are located. An educated american knows every school in the patriot league I would say, the only iffy might be american. As far as west coast teams, the most popular would be gonzaga obviously they don't have football but they are up there. Also, if you go midwest with the "FCS" schools I think Indiana State is known by many more as trivia, the school larry bird went to.

I am trying to think of other west coast schools and the only ones I can really think of in division I that I knew before following sports really is cal poly.

You think Gonzaga is more popular than USC? I don't think so.

[GOTOREROS]

idk how true this is. If you look hard enough you can find people in new england who don't know what each state is. Overall an average american knows where most Ivies are located. An educated american knows every school in the patriot league I would say, the only iffy might be american. As far as west coast teams, the most popular would be gonzaga obviously they don't have football but they are up there. Also, if you go midwest with the "FCS" schools I think Indiana State is known by many more as trivia, the school larry bird went to.

I am trying to think of other west coast schools and the only ones I can really think of in division I that I knew before following sports really is cal poly.

I guess you and I differ on who comprises the "average" American......because the ones I am thinking of cannot identify Iraq on a world map let alone where American University is! xnodx

Perhaps you are thinking of people with more education (college grads) - becuase if you never went farther than HS how would you know about the Ivy's or other "elite" schools?

Mainstream media does not follow FCS football so I doubt many people are getting highlights since they focus on LSU, USC, CAL, FSU, etc.....

Sad but true....

[USDFAN_55]

I am trying to think of other west coast schools and the only ones I can really think of in division I that I knew before following sports really is cal poly.

How about any of the Pac-10 schools?

[GOTOREROS]

How about any of the Pac-10 schools?

I think he is talking about non BCS schools.....FCS and IAAA like Gonzaga.

[NU Hound29]

1. Harvard
2. Yale
3. Columbia
4. Brown
5. Princeton
7. UMass
8. Georgetown
9. Villanova
10. Grambling
11. Penn
12. William and Mary
13. Cornell

No one else really on the list to me....

I think any of the state schools are kind of on the list, one could only assume that the Maine's, UNH's, URI's and Montana's exist, but would you really know more about them before following FCS? Nah.

Boston U would have been on the list pre dropping football.

[USDFAN_55]

I think he is talking about non BCS schools.....FCS and IAAA like Gonzaga.

Well he did say Division I schools, which Gonzaga is. What is IAAA? I've never heard of that nomenclature.

[Old Montana State Grad]

As a kid in the Gallatin Valley around Bozeman, everyone knew about the Drake Relays and that you applied for the Patriot schools in case you didn't get into an Ivy school. We also knew about Fordham because of our guidance counselor and that Mean Joe Green went to Tennessee State and my best friend went to Georgetown's Corporate Law program after he completed law school at Gonzaga.

[EmeryZach]

This should be in the "Who Gives a *****" section.

[dgreco]

Well he did say Division I schools, which Gonzaga is. What is IAAA? I've never heard of that nomenclature.

I was talknig FCS world, I wasn't clear I guess, but since they don't have football that midmajor classification whatever it is called.

Obviously people know USC and UCLA etc. UCLA only has the most applicants every year with 50,000 or something ridiculous.

[JoltinJoe]

Fordham just received over 22,000 undergraduate applications for the Class of 2011, which seated a class of 1,700. I would gather that means it's a very popular and well known school. :) Also, just named one of Newsweek's Top 25 Hottest Colleges.

[GOTOREROS]

Well he did say Division I schools, which Gonzaga is. What is IAAA? I've never heard of that nomenclature.

IAAA are schools that are Division I but do not sponsor football. Examples would be Gonzaga, Pepperdine, St. Louis, De Paul etc.

FCS are D1 schools that sponsor football but at the lower classification...

[EmeryZach]

yeah, what reros said

[GOTOREROS]

This should be in the "Who Gives a *****" section.

I am beginning to agree with your sentiments above.......no one will agree on this list....xrotatehx

[HiHiYikas]

Generally speaking, if something is popular in America, it's of questionable quality and value. If I ever make the list of America's most popular ministers, I will have made a wrong career turn someplace. That doesn't neccesarily apply to colleges and universities, but it's my 2 cents.

NU Hound is right. It's not hard to assume there's a Montana State University out there, or a University of New Hampshire, or any of those schools with names that give their locations away. It's harder to assume, but not surprising, that there is a University of San Diego or a Univeristy of Richmond. Again, their names give you a clue about their location. When the name of the school gives away the location, that amounts to cheap points on the "well-known" scale (a scale which, per Emery Zach, probably does belong on the WGAS list).

The ambiguously-named schools are another thing. I've heard a lot about Grambling and Southern, I just don't know for sure where they are located. I assume they're in the Deep South, like Mississippi or Louisiana. But I'm pretty sure Grambling and Southern folks would rather I know other things than their location. If I could tell you where the schools were, but had no idea they played football, I'd be worse off than I am now.

Appalachian State is presently popular because of some recent athletic success, most notably the win against Michigan. But they're another example of naming ambiguity. The Encylopedia of Appalachia has 'Appalachia' running through eleven states. The Mountains themselves cover at least 18 states and parts of Canada. If you're venturing a pure guess about App State's location, you're not too likely to pinpoint it.

Again, knowing the location ≠ popularity.

[dgreco]

I am beginning to agree with your sentiments above.......no one will agree on this list....xrotatehx

another example about coastal bias take some smaller schools in new england you have the 3 b's bentley bryant and babson, all fairly famous and well known. Out west no one knows these schools i am sure, unless you follow college closely, but I am sure east coast people have never heard of a school like Lewis and Clark or Puget Sound. Its tough for a list like this really. I guess the only national universities per se are University of ______ or ______ State University and then the Ivies really.

[crunifan]

Ivy League

Villanova/Georgetown

MVC Members of the Gateway (SIU, UNI, Missouri State, Illinois State, and Indiana State)

UMass

Montana

Grambling/Southern

Butler

Those are ones that stick out to me.

They have reputations in sports other than football. The MVC is the hottest conference outside the Big 6. Butler/Villanova/Georgetown all are big basketball names.

If you are a sports fan, these are common names.

[ASU88]

What's San diego known for?

Gangs?? xrolleyesx

Sorry, guess that would be LA. :)

[EmeryZach]

When I think San Diego I think about sun, beaches, golf courses, and the best weather in America. Oh, and some catholic school that is there or something. xthumbsupx ;)

[flyenhigh]

I guess I am confused that not many people are adding Villanova and Mass. to their lists. And I agree that 99% of regular people had never heard of App. State before this year. I dont agree with adding Drake they are pretty much a regional school. Grambling and maybe Southern is a good addition.

It is very interesting that most 1AA schools are not really known mainstream. Hence how hard it is to put a top 25 popular list.xeyebrowx

[mistersykes]

Outside of the Ivies, this is completely regional as to who is popular and well-known. The only people who would be remotely qualified to rank these in a national setting are people who have lived in multiple places for long periods of time.

[Cocky]

My list would be (from an Alabamaian and not including Alabama schools):
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Georgetown
Villanova
Grambling
UMASS
Penn
Then everybody else would be too close to call.

[GOTOREROS]

Gangs?? xrolleyesx

Sorry, guess that would be LA. :)

I guess I could make a wisecrack about cousins and rednecks about your area.......xrolleyesx

[gophoenix]

No SWAC schools? I'm a bit confused on how such a list could not include Grambling...

Yeah, I am thinking Grambling, A&T and Howard could easily go in this list.

[skinny_uncle]

Who you would include probably depends somewhat on whether or not you are a college basketball fan.

[BearsCountry]

Ivy League

Villanova/Georgetown

MVC Members of the Gateway (SIU, UNI, Missouri State, Illinois State, and Indiana State)

UMass

Montana

Grambling/Southern

Butler

Those are ones that stick out to me.

They have reputations in sports other than football. The MVC is the hottest conference outside the Big 6. Butler/Villanova/Georgetown all are big basketball names.

If you are a sports fan, these are common names.

Add Dayton and App State, bc of the media frenzy, and you have the list.

[Frosty The Snowbuff]

The same can be said out here in the west for the majority of the east coast FCS schools.

Or the South for that matter.....

[poly51]

What are the most popular/well known 1AA schools as a whole, including all factors academic, football, basketball, prestige, etc.

My top 25:

1) Harvard
2) Yale
3) Princeton
4) Massachusetts
5) Villanova
6) Pennsylvania
7) Brown
8) Georgetown
9) Columbia
10) Bucknell
11) Cornell
12) Dayton
13) Colgate
14) Butler
15) Delaware
16) Lehigh
17) Dartmouth
18) Youngstown State
19) Valparaiso
20) Montana
21) Appalachian State
22) James Madison
23) Holy Cross
24) Richmond
25) San Diego


What is your top 25?

East Coast Bias??????????

[gophoenix]

I'll take a stab at this in no order because it isn't important.

Harvard
Yale
Penn
Princeton
Columbia
UMass
Villanova
Georgetown
Brown
Cornell
Dayton
Davidson
Dartmouth
Valparaiso
App
The Citadel
VMI
Grambling St
NC A&T
Southern Illinois
Liberty
William & Mary
Howard
Northern Iowa
Southern

Anything else is probably not terribly noteworthy. The Ivies go without saying. The military schools are all known. Liberty had Falwell always in the news to push that. Howard and William & Mary have a ton of history tied to them. Others are just good schools or known highly for past or present sports successes on a National level. Some have been featured in movies.

Most of the other FCS private schools are pretty good, and known well regionally, but no more so than any of the other public schools are known well in their regions. And there is of course an east coast bias because 90% of the FCS world is at the Mississippi or east. Just because you have a state name doesn't mean that anyone else knows much about your school.

But, just my opinion.

[MACHIAVELLI]

Are most of you saying Southern because they are the team THE ICON plays in the Bayou Classic or do you really know something about them?

[dgreco]

Are most of you saying Southern because they are the team THE ICON plays in the Bayou Classic or do you really know something about them?
I would say the reason I know southern personally is because of the bayou classic. Not following HBCU all that much the ones that stick out to me are Howard, Grambling, Southern, Tuskegee, and Stillman... mostly from TV and the such. As far because of games ark pine bluff pops out, every sports game i ever had to start dynasty they are always on there as a bad team so the golden lion head always stood out.

[HensRock]

No SWAC schools? I'm a bit confused on how such a list could not include Grambling...

My first thought exactly. Any such list is completely invalid if it does not include at least Grambling.

[crunifan]

Add Dayton and App State, bc of the media frenzy, and you have the list.

I am surprised I left off Appalachian State.

And I can see Dayton being on the list right beside Butler.

[HensRock]

Mine ( In no particular order )

Harvard (obviously a very prestigeous school)
Yale (see Harvard)
Princeton (See Yale and also an early pioneer of Football)
Grambling (an ICON - at least in the 70's)
William & Mary (historic college)
Southern (because of the Bayou Classic)
Appalachian State (well, they've heard of 'em NOW huh.)
Brown (obvious Ivy)
Cornell "
Dartmouth "
Penn "
Columbia "
Mississippi Valley State (school of Jerry Rice)
Georgetown (basketball)
Villanova (see Georgetown)
Valparaiso (See Villanova)
Delaware (maybe a homer pick, but the "Delaware Wing-T" is practically a household word in football particularly at the HS level)
Colgate (the toothpaste)
Fordham (historic football program "The Fordham Wall")
Dayton (basketball and center of contoversy with "The Dayton Rule")
Liberty (Jerry Fallwell U)
Holy Cross (historic FB program)
Lafayette (trivia answer about huddles and helmets)
Lehigh (most played rivalry w/ Lafayette)
The Citadel (recent controversy with female students)

I think those would be the 25 FCS Schools that would be most likely to be known by your average man on the street.

[DavisAggie]

US News & World Report ranked San Diego #107 in its top university rankings.....here's the link.....not many FCS schools on the list, especailly when you remove the Ivies.....

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/t1natudoc_brief.php

xthumbsupx

#107, no bad, but here is the breakdown for 1-AA schools. They only had the top 125 schools ranked,

National Universities: Top 125 Schools

(Overall rank)

1. (1) Princeton University (NJ)
2. (2) Harvard University (MA)
3. (3) Yale University(CT)
4. (5) University of Pennsylvania
5. (9) Columbia University(NY)
6. (11) Dartmouth College(NH)
7. (12) Cornell University(NY)
8. (14) Brown University(RI)
9. (23) Georgetown University(DC)
10. (31) Lehigh University(PA)
11. (33) College of William and Mary(VA)
12. (42) University of California—Davis
13. (67) Fordham University(NY)
14. (71) University of Delaware
15. (96) SUNY—Stony Brook
16. (96) Howard University(DC)
17. (96) Northeastern University(MA)
18. (96) University of Massachusetts—Amherst
19. (107) University of San Diego
20. (108) University of New Hampshire
21. (112) University of Dayton(OH)
22. (118) Samford University(AL)

And the #42 school in the nation is … xthumbsupx

[USDFAN_55]

#107, no bad, but here is the breakdown for 1-AA schools. They only had the top 125 schools ranked,

National Universities: Top 125 Schools

(Overall rank)

1. (1) Princeton University (NJ)
2. (2) Harvard University (MA)
3. (3) Yale University(CT)
4. (5) University of Pennsylvania
5. (9) Columbia University(NY)
6. (11) Dartmouth College(NH)
7. (12) Cornell University(NY)
8. (14) Brown University(RI)
9. (23) Georgetown University(DC)
10. (31) Lehigh University(PA)
11. (33) College of William and Mary(VA)
12. (42) University of California—Davis
13. (67) Fordham University(NY)
14. (71) University of Delaware
15. (96) SUNY—Stony Brook
16. (96) Howard University(DC)
17. (96) Northeastern University(MA)
18. (96) University of Massachusetts—Amherst
19. (107) University of San Diego
20. (108) University of New Hampshire
21. (112) University of Dayton(OH)
22. (118) Samford University(AL)

And the #42 school in the nation is … xthumbsupx

The one thing I don't like about that university ranking is that it weighs heavily on the schools endowment. Why should that matter how your school is ranked?

[SU Jag]

Are most of you saying Southern because they are the team THE ICON plays in the Bayou Classic or do you really know something about them?

xsmhx xsmhx xsmhxThe only reason we know who Grambling is, is because of Eddie Robinson!

[brownbear]

Part of the question should be who is known for being in the FCS. For example, a school like Georgetown is known for basketball. Many sports fans wouldn't even have known they have a football team, much less an FCS team. Now for Ivy League teams, they may be the most known, but many people don't know anything about football currently in the Ivy League (including lots of students at Ivy schools). A school like Georgia Southern, Montana, or Appalachian State is probably known by a lot of fans to be in FCS because people have heard of their football teams and they know they aren't in FBS, so they must be in the FCS.

[brownbear]

The one thing I don't like about that university ranking is that it weighs heavily on the schools endowment. Why should that matter how your school is ranked?

That's a big reason why Brown is last in the US News rankings among ivies.

[AZGrizFan]

Mine ( In no particular order )

Harvard (obviously a very prestigeous school)
Yale (see Harvard)
Princeton (See Yale and also an early pioneer of Football)
Grambling (an ICON - at least in the 70's)
William & Mary (historic college)
Southern (because of the Bayou Classic)
Appalachian State (well, they've heard of 'em NOW huh.)
Brown (obvious Ivy)
Cornell "
Dartmouth "
Penn "
Columbia "
Mississippi Valley State (school of Jerry Rice)
Georgetown (basketball)
Villanova (see Georgetown)
Valparaiso (See Villanova)
Delaware (maybe a homer pick, but the "Delaware Wing-T" is practically a household word in football particularly at the HS level)
Colgate (the toothpaste)
Fordham (historic football program "The Fordham Wall")
Dayton (basketball and center of contoversy with "The Dayton Rule")
Liberty (Jerry Fallwell U)
Holy Cross (historic FB program)
Lafayette (trivia answer about huddles and helmets)
Lehigh (most played rivalry w/ Lafayette)
The Citadel (recent controversy with female students)

I think those would be the 25 FCS Schools that would be most likely to be known by your average man on the street.

Your "average man on the street" couldn't name 4 members of the Ivy League. There's not a school on your list west of damned near the appalachains....WAFJ.

[USDFAN_55]

Mine ( In no particular order )

Harvard (obviously a very prestigeous school)
Yale (see Harvard)
Princeton (See Yale and also an early pioneer of Football)
Grambling (an ICON - at least in the 70's)
William & Mary (historic college)
Southern (because of the Bayou Classic)
Appalachian State (well, they've heard of 'em NOW huh.)
Brown (obvious Ivy)
Cornell "
Dartmouth "
Penn "
Columbia "
Mississippi Valley State (school of Jerry Rice)
Georgetown (basketball)
Villanova (see Georgetown)
Valparaiso (See Villanova)
Delaware (maybe a homer pick, but the "Delaware Wing-T" is practically a household word in football particularly at the HS level)
Colgate (the toothpaste)
Fordham (historic football program "The Fordham Wall")
Dayton (basketball and center of contoversy with "The Dayton Rule")
Liberty (Jerry Fallwell U)
Holy Cross (historic FB program)
Lafayette (trivia answer about huddles and helmets)
Lehigh (most played rivalry w/ Lafayette)
The Citadel (recent controversy with female students)

I think those would be the 25 FCS Schools that would be most likely to be known by your average man on the street.

I guess I wasn't the average man on the street before I played and followed FCSxsmhx . I had never heard of these schools before college.

[GOTOREROS]

#107, no bad, but here is the breakdown for 1-AA schools. They only had the top 125 schools ranked,

National Universities: Top 125 Schools

(Overall rank)

1. (1) Princeton University (NJ)
2. (2) Harvard University (MA)
3. (3) Yale University(CT)
4. (5) University of Pennsylvania
5. (9) Columbia University(NY)
6. (11) Dartmouth College(NH)
7. (12) Cornell University(NY)
8. (14) Brown University(RI)
9. (23) Georgetown University(DC)
10. (31) Lehigh University(PA)
11. (33) College of William and Mary(VA)
12. (42) University of California—Davis
13. (67) Fordham University(NY)
14. (71) University of Delaware
15. (96) SUNY—Stony Brook
16. (96) Howard University(DC)
17. (96) Northeastern University(MA)
18. (96) University of Massachusetts—Amherst
19. (107) University of San Diego
20. (108) University of New Hampshire
21. (112) University of Dayton(OH)
22. (118) Samford University(AL)

And the #42 school in the nation is … xthumbsupx

That's why I included the link so people could see where their FCS school was ranked.....UC Davis is an excellent school. xthumbsupx

[AndrewFU21]

#107, no bad, but here is the breakdown for 1-AA schools. They only had the top 125 schools ranked,

National Universities: Top 125 Schools

(Overall rank)

1. (1) Princeton University (NJ)
2. (2) Harvard University (MA)
3. (3) Yale University(CT)
4. (5) University of Pennsylvania
5. (9) Columbia University(NY)
6. (11) Dartmouth College(NH)
7. (12) Cornell University(NY)
8. (14) Brown University(RI)
9. (23) Georgetown University(DC)
10. (31) Lehigh University(PA)
11. (33) College of William and Mary(VA)
12. (42) University of California—Davis
13. (67) Fordham University(NY)
14. (71) University of Delaware
15. (96) SUNY—Stony Brook
16. (96) Howard University(DC)
17. (96) Northeastern University(MA)
18. (96) University of Massachusetts—Amherst
19. (107) University of San Diego
20. (108) University of New Hampshire
21. (112) University of Dayton(OH)
22. (118) Samford University(AL)

And the #42 school in the nation is … xthumbsupx

Don't forget the liberal arts colleges!

1. (9) Davidson
2. (17) Colgate
3. (30) Bucknell
4. (33) Holy Cross
5. (34) Lafayette
6. (37) Furman
7. (40) Richmond
8. (59) Wofford
9. (71) VMI

[MACHIAVELLI]

xsmhx xsmhx xsmhxThe only reason we know who Grambling is, is because of Eddie Robinson!

Typical if not predictable response. Other than the Bayou Classic how would the general public, average person on the street, nation wide know anything about southern? Be real.


(waiting on the we beat you xx out of the last xx times at the classic response)

[OL FU]

You're hanging out with some uneducated people if any of them don't know where Brown is located. BTW, the great majority of Brown students are not from New England. I doubt if you could find any reputable H.S. in the country where the top students and guidance counselors don't know about Brown.

xeyebrowx So what state would that bexlolx

[OL FU]

You're hanging out with some uneducated people if any of them don't know where Brown is located. BTW, the great majority of Brown students are not from New England. I doubt if you could find any reputable H.S. in the country where the top students and guidance counselors don't know about Brown.

xeyebrowx So what state would that bexlolx



Most of the country knows the Ivy schools but our world does not revolve around themxeekx xpeacex

[HensRock]

Your "average man on the street" couldn't name 4 members of the Ivy League. There's not a school on your list west of damned near the appalachains....WAFJ.

Do honestly think your "average man on the street" could name even ONE Big Sky team? They might guess at Montana since its nickname is the "Big Sky" State, but it would only be a guess.

I said MOST LIKELY. Sure, the odds are that they have not heard of many of these. But I bet if you did a poll of 10,000 people from across the US (and this should be by population density, not just 2000 from each state), my list would be pretty close to the top 25 schools.

Name ONE FCS school west of the Mississippi (that's not already on my list), that the average person on the east coast should have or could have heard of, and the reason they should have heard of them. At least I gave reasons why people might have heard of the schools on my list.

[HensRock]

xeyebrowx So what state would that bexlolx



Most of the country knows the Ivy schools but our world does not revolve around themxeekx xpeacex

Got to agree with OL FU on this one. Hearing of Brown and knowing what city it's in are two different things. The majority of Americans do not know where Yale is. You can forget about Brown.

[carney2]

Beyond the Ivies and a few others who have made their reps in basketball, there aren't many who you can call "well known" or "popular." 25 is an impossible number here.

[DaveK]

I would have a hard time coming up with 25, but I would no doubt put Maine and New Hampshire in the top two most high profile I-AA schools based on the strength of their hockey programs.

[OL FU]

I would have a hard time coming up with 25, but I would no doubt put Maine and New Hampshire in the top two most high profile I-AA schools based on the strength of their hockey programs.


There is such a thing as college hockey:o

[andy7171]

There is such a thing as college hockey:o
xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

Beyond the Ivies and a few others who have made their reps in basketball, there aren't many who you can call "well known" or "popular." 25 is an impossible number here.
I agree with Carney, 25 is WAY too many schools for an average joe to come up with. I would even venture to say you would have to give the person the information "The Ivy League is FCS/I-AA" to even get 5. And of that five, IF the person was a college football fan, Boise State would surely be mentioned.

[lizrdgizrd]

I think a lot of your "man on the street" knowledge is going to depend on where you live. Obviously, the east-coasters are going to know more about east coast teams and less about those on the west coast.

From my central North Carolina perspective here's the teams I'd nominate (in only the order they pop into my head):
1 Harvard
2 Yale
3 Appalachian State
4 NC A&T
5 Brown
6 Furman
7 NCCU
8 VMI
9 Citadel
10 Penn
11 William & Mary
12 Hampton
13 C of C
14 UNC Charlotte
15 Western Carolina
16 Elon
17 Georgetown
18 Cornell
19 Columbia
20 Florida A&M
21 Grambling
22 La Salle
23 Liberty
24 Villanova
25 WSSU

They might not know why they know the name, but it'd be familiar. Some of the teams because of basketball and some simply because they know people who went there or live near the school. This is by no means scientific. xpeacex

[HIU 93]

This all regional and more importantly, experiential.

[leatherneck177]

What are the most popular/well known 1AA schools as a whole, including all factors academic, football, basketball, prestige, etc.

My top 25:

1) Harvard
2) Yale
3) Princeton
4) Massachusetts
5) Villanova
6) Pennsylvania
7) Brown
8) Georgetown
9) Columbia
10) Bucknell
11) Cornell
12) Dayton
13) Colgate
14) Butler
15) Delaware
16) Lehigh
17) Dartmouth
18) Youngstown State
19) Valparaiso
20) Montana
21) Appalachian State
22) James Madison
23) Holy Cross
24) Richmond
25) San Diego


What is your top 25?


EAST COAST BIAS ANYONE? UNI? How do you define most well known? Basketball, academics, football, prestige?

[DaveK]

There is such a thing as college hockey:o

Ask the Maine and New Hampshire fans. It's the most popular sport on their campuses.

[catbob]

I have no idea where most of the Ivies are, and I really don't care. I was born in MT, grew up in MT, planned to attend one of the two fine public universities in MT, hope to get a job in MT (though I may have to move out of state for this one), raise a family in MT... yea I kind of like Montana. :)

Most of the schools on the lists I know of because of either A) academic prestige, B) basketball prestige. There are maybe 3 FCS schools (outside of Montana of course) I could have named when I was in my teens, that I didn't know because of games against UM or MSU; Grambling, Youngstown, Georgia Southern. Only because I'd see their NC's on TV every now and again.

[BearsCountry]

I still think its funny that none of you put MVC schools on the list even though come basketball season ESPN cant shut up about us. But other than Georgetown, Villanova, and Dayton the rest of the FCS schools arent big time in basketball.

[Lafayette71]

Got to agree with OL FU on this one. Hearing of Brown and knowing what city it's in are two different things. The majority of Americans do not know where Yale is. You can forget about Brown.

Chuck Norris doesn't believe in Brown

[Lafayette71]

Personally, can't see how Lafayette made anyone's list. I was born and raised in PA, and I never heard of Lafayette until I was being recruited.

[JDC325]

ALL IVIES
Grambling (Coach Rob)
UMASS (Basketball)
App State (Michigan)
Georgia Southern (Most NC's)
Citadel (That girl thing)
Villanova (Basketball)


Really can not think of any else that stand out nationally...xeyebrowx

[HIU 93]

For me, it's the MEAC and the SWAC, the Ivies, Georgetown (because of John Thompson, not football), JMU, W&M, Liberty, Richmond, and ODU. That's what I grew up with.

I may have to disqualify Georgetown, because when I first heard of them, they didn't have football.

[R.A.]

The posts in this thread are hilarious.

[DuckDuckGriz]

The Ivies
Villanova (basketball)
UMass (basketball, especially the movie 'The Sixth Man')
Miss. Valley State (Jerry Rice)
Indiana State (Larry Bird)
Appalachian State (Adam Sandler, Michigan)
Southern / Grambling (Eddie Robinson) / the SWAC ('Drumline')
Youngstown State (Jim Tressel)
Northwestern State ('Oprah' special)
Western Kentucky & Southern Illinois (basketball)
Montana (women's basketball, men's basketball, Michael Ray Richardson, the unfortunate events of the summer)
Montana State (see above)
Northern Colorado (punter stabbings)
Idaho State (upset of UCLA in basketball in 1975)

And, for the record, even being on the west coast - I had no idea there was a University of San Diego till their fans came to this board and started annoying the hell out of everyone.

[89Hen]

I had never heard of:

Pennsylvania, Delaware
xeyebrowx Our schools need to teach more civics. xsmiley_wix

[citdog]

I believe that you folks are forgetting that The Citadel and the Virginia Military Institute have a reputation worldwide through the service of our graduates. The fame of our institutions always preceed us. I would put us right behind the ivies. ask the yankees, spainish, huns, wops, nazis, japs, koreans, chinese, vietnamese, and saddam, and the taliban. they might not be able to talk much, you know it takes a head to be able to talk!

[lizrdgizrd]

I believe that you folks are forgetting that The Citadel and the Virginia Military Institute have a reputation worldwide through the service of our graduates. The fame of our institutions always preceed us. I would put us right behind the ivies. ask the yankees, spainish, huns, wops, nazis, japs, koreans, chinese, vietnamese, and saddam, and the taliban. they might not be able to talk much, you know it takes a head to be able to talk!
Who are the spainish? xconfusedx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

There's that Citadel education at work. xthumbsupx

[citdog]

Who are the spainish? xconfusedx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

There's that Citadel education at work. xthumbsupx


neg pts to you for making an issue of a typo gizrd, and you were doing so well!xrulesx

[lizrdgizrd]

neg pts to you for making an issue of a typo gizrd, and you were doing so well!xrulesx
xbawlingx xbawlingx xbawlingx xbawlingx xbawlingx

I figured a Citadel man would know how to use a spell checker. xsmiley_wix

xbawlingx xbawlingx xbawlingx xbawlingx xbawlingx

[citdog]

Who are the spainish? xconfusedx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

There's that THE Citadel education at work. xthumbsupx



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don't make me do it again!xlolx xrotatehx :D xthumbsupx

[89Hen]

1. Harvard
2. Yale
3. Columbia
4. Brown
5. Princeton
7. UMass
8. Georgetown
9. Villanova
10. Grambling
11. Penn
12. William and Mary
13. Cornell
That's a pretty good list there IMO, with the exception some of the Ivies. Brown, Columbia and Cornell don't roll off the tongue for people who don't really follow the Ivy.

1. Harvard
2. Yale
3. Princeton
4. Georgetown
5. Villanova
7. Grambling
8. Penn
9. UMass
10. William and Mary

Honestly, after that, I think it's too regional. I had never heard of San Diego prior to last year.

[citdog]

xbawlingx xbawlingx xbawlingx xbawlingx xbawlingx

I figured a THE Citadel man would know how to use a spell checker. xsmiley_wix

xbawlingx xbawlingx xbawlingx xbawlingx xbawlingx


that's two

[lizrdgizrd]

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don't make me do it again!xlolx xrotatehx :D xthumbsupx
I'm surprised you figured out how to do it the first time. xeekx xlolx xlolx xlolx

[citdog]

I'm surprised you figured out how to do it the first time. xeekx xlolx xlolx xlolx


BRACE LIZRD!

[lizrdgizrd]

that's two
Well at least they teach you guys to count. xnodx

[Ronin]

While most of us will agree the Ivy league schools are well known. The rest will depend to some degree on your geographical location.

Since basketball and football garner a lot of attention my list would include the following App State, Georgia Southern, UNI, Montana, Villanova, Howard, Morgan State, Georgetown, Bucknell, Grambling, Alabama A&M.

While I recognize many of the schools in the top 15 for football and those in the Gateway, Pioneer, Ohio, Great West, Big Sky and Colonial conferences it's mostly due to either local coverage or being a fan.

[citdog]

Well at least they teach you guys to count. xnodx


that's easy stuff, i can make it all the way to 20!xreadx xreadx xreadx xreadx xreadx xreadx xreadx xreadx xreadx xreadx xreadx xreadx

[Death Dealer]

It's like the bumper sticker says...."That's Furman University, with a captiol FU!" xlolx xlolx I loved that bumper sticker.xlolx Good times. But, generally speaking, no, we're not famous.xcoffeex

[lizrdgizrd]

that's easy stuff, i can make it all the way to 20!xreadx xreadx xreadx xreadx xreadx xreadx xreadx xreadx xreadx xreadx xreadx xreadx
And here I thought that book learning was unbecoming a gentleman. xoopsx

[citdog]

And here I thought that book learning was unbecoming a gentleman. xoopsx


it is, it is! i know 20 is a lot at Appalaychain State teachers college!

[lizrdgizrd]

it is, it is! i know 20 is a lot at Appalaychain State teachers college!
Really! As a Comp Sci major they only taught us 0 and 1. xbawlingx

[citdog]

Really! As a Comp Sci major they only taught us 0 and 1. xbawlingx


comp sci? and you get laid? EVER?

[walliver]

it is, it is! i know 20 is a lot at Appalaychain State teachers college!


That's why they don't wear shoes. With shoes on they can only count to 12.

Off course some of the honors students had extra digits and can count to higher numbers. Some have had hunting accidents and can't count all the way to 20.

[Purple Knight]

Using national recognition as a guide, not in any order;

Montana
Liberty
Delaware
William & Mary
Harvard
Princeton
Yale
Florida A & M
Georgetown
The Citadel
Appalachian State
Stephen F Austin
Grambling State
Youngstown State
Eastern Kentucky

[crunifan]

While most of us will agree the Ivy league schools are well known. The rest will depend to some degree on your geographical location.

Since basketball and football garner a lot of attention my list would include the following App State, Georgia Southern, UNI, Montana, Villanova, Howard, Morgan State, Georgetown, Bucknell, Grambling, Alabama A&M.

While I recognize many of the schools in the top 15 for football and those in the Gateway, Pioneer, Ohio, Great West, Big Sky and Colonial conferences it's mostly due to either local coverage or being a fan.

In my opinion, if you include UNI, you HAVE to include SIU.

[DuckDuckGriz]

Using national recognition as a guide, not in any order;

Montana
Liberty
Delaware
William & Mary
Harvard
Princeton
Yale
Florida A & M
Georgetown
The Citadel
Appalachian State
Stephen F Austin
Grambling State
Youngstown State
Eastern Kentucky

This is total ignorance, but other than namesake - what is Stephen F Austin known for?

[grizbeer]

Whenever someone asks me where a small town in Montana is that I've never heard of before I always tell them it is on the hi-line - and they usually are.

After Wofford beat Appalachian State people around me were asking who the hell Wofford is - I told them as Southern Conference team, I thought in Georgia (really South Carolina right?) - that is now my standard answer when someone asks me where a I-AA team is from - Georgia is the hi-line of I-AA for me.

[BlueHen86]

Without being a homer it is really hard to come up with 25 schools.

I would list the eight Ivy League schools and:
Grambling
Fordham
William & Mary
Villanova
Georgetown
UMass

[proasu89]

This should be in the "Who Gives a *****" section.

Thank You! xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx

[Mr. C]

Missouri State and Southern Illinois are more well known than Youngstown State by pure name recongination. MVC schools get a ton of pub nationally way more than anyone else in FCS other than Villanova and Georgetown.

I would argue that Southwest Missouri State has way more named recognition than Missouri State.

[skinny_uncle]

In my opinion, if you include UNI, you HAVE to include SIU.

Thank you. Maybe more people will know who SIU is after ESPN Gameday comes to Carbondale for the Creighton game this winter.

[SU Jag]

Typical if not predictable response. Other than the Bayou Classic how would the general public, average person on the street, nation wide know anything about southern? Be real.


(waiting on the we beat you xx out of the last xx times at the classic response)


If it wasnt for coach Rob, who would know Grambling?xconfusedx

[MACHIAVELLI]

If it wasnt for coach Rob, who would know Grambling?


Typical if not predictable response. Other than the Bayou Classic how would the general public, average person on the street, nation wide know anything about southern? Be real.

.

[Eyes of Old Main]

What's San diego known for?

Obviously not strength of schedule.

[VT Wildcat Fan53]

Ivies are at the top. Grambling HAS to be right there, as well. The big time Basketball schools have to be in there, as well, and, maybe, because of recent national publicity of Santos & Ball and always ICE HOCKEY, UNH -- but certainly not very high on the list.

[Jaguar79]

If it wasnt for coach Rob, who would know Grambling?xconfusedx


My point as well .... other than Rob and the band, what is Grambling known for?

I'm okay with the fact that Southern is known for the Bayou Classic game that Southern and Grambling participate in.

I mean, we can throw up former football greats, but people are gonna come out and say, "Wow, I didn't know he went there."

Just to show how dumb this topic is ..... my most well-known FCS schools list:

SOUTHERN
Grambling
Jackson State
Alcorn State
Florida A&M
Howard
Tennessee State
McNeese State
Montana
Harvard
Yale

Please Note: As far as notoriety, do you really think people think of Georgetown, Princeton, and Villanova as FCS schools? That's sure as hell not where I learned about them.


The rest would be schools that I have become acquainted with within the last ten years.

[brownbear]

You're hanging out with some uneducated people if any of them don't know where Brown is located. BTW, the great majority of Brown students are not from New England. I doubt if you could find any reputable H.S. in the country where the top students and guidance counselors don't know about Brown.

My high school guidance counselor didn't know where Brown was located.

[MACHIAVELLI]

My point as well .... other than Rob and the band, what is Grambling known for?


What is Southern known for? Think national, not local.

[brownbear]

I think a lot of your "man on the street" knowledge is going to depend on where you live. Obviously, the east-coasters are going to know more about east coast teams and less about those on the west coast.

From my central North Carolina perspective here's the teams I'd nominate (in only the order they pop into my head):
1 Harvard
2 Yale
3 Appalachian State
4 NC A&T
5 Brown
6 Furman
7 NCCU
8 VMI
9 Citadel
10 Penn
11 William & Mary
12 Hampton
13 C of C
14 UNC Charlotte
15 Western Carolina
16 Elon
17 Georgetown
18 Cornell
19 Columbia
20 Florida A&M
21 Grambling
22 La Salle
23 Liberty
24 Villanova
25 WSSU

They might not know why they know the name, but it'd be familiar. Some of the teams because of basketball and some simply because they know people who went there or live near the school. This is by no means scientific. xpeacex

Yes, here's a person that knows of Brown University and puts them in their rightful place.

[MACHIAVELLI]

My point as well .... other than Rob and the band, what is Grambling known for?


What is Southern known for? Think national, not local.

[foghorn]

What's San diego known for?

Zorro? Or is it Don Diego?www.internationalhero.co.uk/z/zorro1.jpghttp://q=tbn:4zcULyRrsQhheM:www.internationalhero.co.uk/z/zorro1.jpg

[brownbear]

I had known of San Diego State for years because they are an FBS team, but I had not even heard of USD until two years ago. I would see "San Diego" in the standings but I didn't know who they were.

[Jaguar79]

What is Southern known for? Think national, not local.

I told you what we are known for NATIONALLY ...... a game that your school also participates in.

You didn't answer our question? OTHER than football and the band, what is Grambling known for?

[Seawolf97]

#107, no bad, but here is the breakdown for 1-AA schools. They only had the top 125 schools ranked,

National Universities: Top 125 Schools

(Overall rank)

1. (1) Princeton University (NJ)
2. (2) Harvard University (MA)
3. (3) Yale University(CT)
4. (5) University of Pennsylvania
5. (9) Columbia University(NY)
6. (11) Dartmouth College(NH)
7. (12) Cornell University(NY)
8. (14) Brown University(RI)
9. (23) Georgetown University(DC)
10. (31) Lehigh University(PA)
11. (33) College of William and Mary(VA)
12. (42) University of California—Davis
13. (67) Fordham University(NY)
14. (71) University of Delaware
15. (96) SUNY—Stony Brook
16. (96) Howard University(DC)
17. (96) Northeastern University(MA)
18. (96) University of Massachusetts—Amherst
19. (107) University of San Diego
20. (108) University of New Hampshire
21. (112) University of Dayton(OH)
22. (118) Samford University(AL)

And the #42 school in the nation is … xthumbsupx

Now if we could get ranked just as high in football as academicsxlolx

[Dallas Demon]

I say 5 schools:

1) Harvard
2) Yale
3) Princeton
4) Grambling
5) Northwestern St. (Oprah's adopted school + I'm taking my toys and going home if we're not selected...) xbawlingx

[GOTOREROS]

I had known of San Diego State for years because they are an FBS team, but I had not even heard of USD until two years ago. I would see "San Diego" in the standings but I didn't know who they were.

Who is San Diego State? I am not familiar with them........xsmiley_wix

[89Hen]

I say 5 schools:

5) Northwestern St. (Oprah's adopted school + I'm taking my toys and going home if we're not selected...) xbawlingx
xeyebrowx No homer pick there. :p

[Blue Hen Nation]

I say 5 schools:

1) Harvard
2) Yale
3) Princeton
4) Grambling
5) Northwestern St. (Oprah's adopted school + I'm taking my toys and going home if we're not selected...) xbawlingx

Grambling top 5? xconfusedx

[MACHIAVELLI]

If it wasnt for coach Rob, who would know Grambling?xconfusedx


If it wasn't for coach Rob, who would know southern?

[89Hen]

If it wasn't for coach Rob, who would know southern?
xlolx xnodx Touche!

[HIU 93]

5) Northwestern St. (Oprah's adopted school + I'm taking my toys and going home if we're not selected...) xbawlingx

Did Oprah give y'all some money or something? Serious question- I haven't heard this before.

[AZGrizFan]

I told you what we are known for NATIONALLY ...... a game that your school also participates in.

You didn't answer our question? OTHER than football and the band, what is Grambling known for?


Mr. Robinson. xeyebrowx xeyebrowx xeyebrowx xeyebrowx

[AZGrizFan]

Whenever someone asks me where a small town in Montana is that I've never heard of before I always tell them it is on the hi-line - and they usually are.

After Wofford beat Appalachian State people around me were asking who the hell Wofford is - I told them as Southern Conference team, I thought in Georgia (really South Carolina right?) - that is now my standard answer when someone asks me where a I-AA team is from - Georgia is the hi-line of I-AA for me.

And yet, noone outside of Montana has ANY idea what you're talking about when you say the High Line. xcoolx xcoolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

[UNHWILDCATS05]

I would have a hard time coming up with 25, but I would no doubt put Maine and New Hampshire in the top two most high profile I-AA schools based on the strength of their hockey programs.

In an overall list I don't know how high this would bump both schools up but as far as athletic program recognition, whenever we travel somewhere outside of New England and the topic of colleges comes up, when UNH is mentioned, the response is usually "Oh, great hockey program".. I assume it is the same for Maine...Originally I thought maybe it was limited to hockey loving areas of the country but we even got comments about it in Huntington, WV..so i dunno

[JDC325]

What is Southern known for? Think national, not local.


There are only about four posts in this entire thread that did that.

Grambling should be in everyone's list BTW.

[lizrdgizrd]

comp sci? and you get laid? EVER?
Well, I've got proof that it's happened at least once. You? xeyebrowx

[lizrdgizrd]

Yes, here's a person that knows of Brown University and puts them in their rightful place.
I think you missed the part where it's only in the order that they fell out of my head onto the screen. :p

[brownbear]

I think you missed the part where it's only in the order that they fell out of my head onto the screen. :p

Yes, we still come out of your mind and onto your computer screen before all the other Ivies (except for Harvard and Yale)!!

[grizbeer]

And yet, noone outside of Montana has ANY idea what you're talking about when you say the High Line. xcoolx xcoolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx
Yeah, pretty much a Montana inside joke.

[lizrdgizrd]

Yes, we still come out of your mind and onto your computer screen before all the other Ivies (except for Harvard and Yale)!!

I guess that's what happens when I read your posts, your team's name rises from the shadowy depths! xlolx

[Dallas Demon]

xeyebrowx No homer pick there. :p

Yes, just trying to be funny with the #5 pick. The top 3 are a no-brainer and traditionally Grambling has been a household name.

[DuckDuckGriz]

Yeah, pretty much a Montana inside joke.

Along the lines (pun) of

"YOU CAN HAVRE"

Man that one gets old.

[Dallas Demon]

Did Oprah give y'all some money or something? Serious question- I haven't heard this before.

Some nice lady from Natchitoches said it would be a dream to meet Oprah (more to it than that but I can't remember the full story). Somehow, Oprah caught wind of this showed up at her house in Natchitoches with the crew filming. Oprah ended up in the Northwestern homecoming parade, etc. She aired the show kind of adopted the town so to speak. I think others (from Steel Magnolia) like Dolly Parton (I think), etc. liked the town so much they have a vacation home there too but like to keep a low profile obviously.

Natchitoches is the oldest permanent settlement in the Louisiana Purchase, is an old French town with the architecture, and is pretty charming with lots of tourism.

[DuckDuckGriz]

Some nice lady from Natchitoches said it would be a dream to meet Oprah (more to it than that but I can't remember the full story). Somehow, Oprah caught wind of this showed up at her house in Natchitoches with the crew filming. Oprah ended up in the Northwestern homecoming parade, etc. She aired the show kind of adopted the town so to speak. I think others (from Steel Magnolia) like Dolly Parton (I think), etc. liked the town so much they have a vacation home there too but like to keep a low profile obviously.

She asked her live on the show and I'll be damned if Oprah didn't have the balls to take her up on it.

And before the jokes roll yes I watched Oprah for a while.

[Dallas Demon]

She asked her live on the show and I'll be damned if Oprah didn't have the balls to take her up on it.

And before the jokes roll yes I watched Oprah for a while.

That's right, now I remember.

P.S. I only watched that ONE Oprah show, never any others (wife made me do it...). xnodx

[DuckDuckGriz]

That's right, now I remember.

P.S. I only watched that ONE Oprah show, never any others (wife made me do it...). xnodx

Don't worry about mannin up and admitting it DD, it's just a good show. I'll be the first to say it.

That episode I think was a little while after we played you guys in the playoffs or before in (I think) 2004 - was cool to see, that town seemed like Mayberry on Prozac, you almost got tired of the friendliness.

[USDFAN_55]

Don't worry about mannin up and admitting it DD, it's just a good show. I'll be the first to say it.


Now go do something manly like shotgun a beer and crush the can on your forehead.xeekx


















Just giving you a hard timexthumbsupx

[DuckDuckGriz]

Now go do something manly like shotgun a beer and crush the can on your forehead.xeekx



Right right....

Red meat and boobies!!!!! Know any good Steven Segal movies? :o

[Dallas Demon]

Don't worry about mannin up and admitting it DD, it's just a good show. I'll be the first to say it.

That episode I think was a little while after we played you guys in the playoffs or before in (I think) 2004 - was cool to see, that town seemed like Mayberry on Prozac, you almost got tired of the friendliness.

Okay, maybe I watched a couple of the Dr. Phil episodes, plus Tom Cruise jumping on the couch, and perhaps a few others. But only to butter up the wife of course. xpeacex

[Dallas Demon]

Now go do something manly like shotgun a beer and crush the can on your forehead.xeekx

First lemme have my hunting dog go and fetch me the beer from my ice chest.xcoolx
















Just giving you a hard timexthumbsupx[/QUOTE]

[poly51]

Who is San Diego State? I am not familiar with them........xsmiley_wix

The 4 most well known/popular schools in San Diego:
San Diego State U.
UC San Diego
Point Loma Nazarene University
University of San Diego

[McNeese72]

My computer's response after reading this thread:

http://www.geauxcowboys-eastside.org/images/giveadamn.gif


:) :) :)

Doc

[jstate83]

5 minutes I can't get back. xoopsx
Moving on. xlolx

[VT Wildcat Fan53]

Let's talk about something really important, like what are the most recognizable NASCAR #'s xconfusedx

... and how long Charlie's Irish go winless this year xthumbsupx

[Grizaholic17]

The Ivies are obviously at the top. And I don't know about including JMU, Richmond, App. State, YSU, and Montana without putting GSU in there. I wasn't aware that UMass was so famous, either.

Montana should be higher, I am sorry for being conceded, again, but We have had 3 ESPN games the past two years. That is serious exposure. Not to Mention we are the major university in montana, people have to know that...right? I don't know. I don't really care I guess.

[da_bears]

based on national recognition
1. The Ivy League schools...obviously
2. The MVC, A-10, and Big East schools, bigtime basketball and ESPN coverage
3. App state, mentioned in "the longest yard" by adam sandler, and now beat michigan
4. Gramling and other "black schools" becuase of thier bands and tradition and have games on BET.
5. I dont think any other FCS school are known by a non FCS fan.

these are just my thoughts, I'm a regular sports fan so i could care less about the FCS so i think im offering somewhat of an outside opinion. I only check this board becuase i follow MO State.

[flyenhigh]

Montana, first of all there are not that many people living in your state nor for that mattter any surrounding states. Putting u in the top twenty is respect considering the teams ahead of you. I used to fly to work in Montana and I can be the first to say how much support the state gives you guys although on a national basis I can not rank you higher than 20th.

On another note, after some research I have found that the common joe does not have a clue who grambling/southern is. We just know them for solid tradition but it goes no further than that.

[flyenhigh]

With all due respect:

5 out of 100 people might know Grambling
1 out of 100 people might know Southern

Southern is not popular what so ever. Thats the bottom line.

[BlueHen86]

With all due respect:

5 out of 100 people might know Grambling
1 out of 100 people might know Southern

Southern is not popular what so ever. Thats the bottom line.
I would bet that more people know Grambling than Dayton.

[flyenhigh]

I would bet that more people know Dayton over the little blue hens.

xlolx

[BlueHen86]

I would bet that more people know Dayton over the little blue hens.

xlolx
I'm not losing any sleep over that. I'm not the one who started a thread about how famous FCS schools are.xrolleyesx

[MACHIAVELLI]

Originally Posted by Da Sperm a UAPB Fan:
Do you really think that many people outside the SWAC or BCF know about SU? Hell, if it wasn't for Grambling, even less people would know about Southern. How many Bayou Classics aired on NBC has NBC spent time on talking about Southern. Did NBC ever spend any time on the coach at Southern going thru the dorm waking up players. Did NBC ever spend any time on how the Southern band prepared for the game. The only airtime Southern gets is when the QB snaps the ball and get tackled. They even go to commercial breaks when the Southern' band hits the field. :LOL:

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[flyenhigh]

The fact of a matter is that this post is the only post that matters on this site. Schools are looking for publicity, attention and they are looking to be popular. Why? Because that is the way America is.

The true purpose of this thread was to simply show that most FCS schools are indeed regional. For the most part, the nationally known schools have either great academics or are good in basketball. Obviously we that have played 1AA football know the top dogs in 1AA or historical teams such as Grambling but who outside of this little bubble knows us.

Simply stated, 1AA football brings little to no national attention, even if the team is a historical Juggernaut or a recent champ.

[DetroitFlyer]

Here is something I learned this week.... The real "UD", Dayton of course has a president with a degree from the other UD, Delaware of course!

Any FCS school with a big time, successful basketball program is going to be better known nationally than one that has a low profile, maybe not so successful basketball program.

[MACHIAVELLI]

With all due respect:

Southern is not popular what so ever. Thats the bottom line.

Nationally, I can agree with that.

[MACHIAVELLI]

Originally Posted by Da Sperm a UAPB Fan:
Do you really think that many people outside the SWAC or BCF know about SU? Hell, if it wasn't for Grambling, even less people would know about Southern. How many Bayou Classics aired on NBC has NBC spent time on talking about Southern. Did NBC ever spend any time on the coach at Southern going thru the dorm waking up players. Did NBC ever spend any time on how the Southern band prepared for the game. The only airtime Southern gets is when the QB snaps the ball and get tackled. They even go to commercial breaks when the Southern' band hits the field. :LOL:

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[lizrdgizrd]

.
Are you going to pull this isht again?! Keep deleting and reposting the same thing so you can be the last post? That's weak. xnonono2x

[MACHIAVELLI]

Originally Posted by Da Sperm a UAPB Fan:
Do you really think that many people outside the SWAC or BCF know about SU? Hell, if it wasn't for Grambling, even less people would know about Southern. How many Bayou Classics aired on NBC has NBC spent time on talking about Southern. Did NBC ever spend any time on the coach at Southern going thru the dorm waking up players. Did NBC ever spend any time on how the Southern band prepared for the game. The only airtime Southern gets is when the QB snaps the ball and get tackled. They even go to commercial breaks when the Southern' band hits the field. :LOL:

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[lizrdgizrd]

.
Lame *****, Mach. xnonono2x

[DavisAggie]

Now if we could get ranked just as high in football as academicsxlolx

I am a big football fan but I'd much rather compete with Harvard and Yale academically than Florida and LSU athletically.

[Punchykky]

All the Ivy League schools come to mind for D1-AA, or FCS. JMU, UR, and W&M came to my mind next because I'm originally from VA, especially JMU because I was thinking about going there for their band and music program. Now NSU and HIU come to mind because these 2 schools joined D1-AA or FCS within the last 12-15 years, I think.

[mcveyrl]

All the Ivy League schools come to mind for D1-AA, or FCS. JMU, UR, and W&M came to my mind next because I'm originally from VA, especially JMU because I was thinking about going there for their band and music program. Now NSU and HIU come to mind because these 2 schools joined D1-AA or FCS within the last 12-15 years, I think.

Hey there, this is a little OT, but my wife was KKY at JMU. I think they used to try and plan activities with NSU KKY when they could.

[poly51]

It seems as though FCS schools in the West and in particular California are getting ignored.

UC Davis is consistently in the top 40 of all National Universities is the USA. It is ranked in the top 10 among Public Universities. It is the only University of California school to have a medical school, vet school and law school. Very well known for academics. It has only been fully in D-I starting this year.

Cal Poly is considered the premier University in the California State University system. It is not listed in the National University rankings because it does not offer Doctoral programs. However it is the number 1 non doctoral Public University in the west according to the US News. It is also the number 1 non doctoral public university engineering school in the USA. Athletically Cal Poly has only been D-I since 1995. In D-II they won 35 National Championships. That was the most by any school at that time.
31,962 applications for admission in the fall of 2006.

[DavisAggie]

It seems as though FCS schools in the West and in particular California are getting ignored.

UC Davis is consistently in the top 40 of all National Universities is the USA. It is ranked in the top 10 among Public Universities. It is the only University of California school to have a medical school, vet school and law school. Very well known for academics. It has only been fully in D-I starting this year.

Cal Poly is considered the premier University in the California State University system. It is not listed in the National University rankings because it does not offer Doctoral programs. However it is the number 1 non doctoral Public University in the west according to the US News. It is also the number 1 non doctoral public university engineering school in the USA. Athletically Cal Poly has only been D-I since 1995. In D-II they won 35 National Championships. That was the most by any school at that time.
31,962 applications for admission in the fall of 2006.

Great points 51!

UC Davis is one of 6 colleges to have a
Tier 1 University
Tier 1 Business School
Tier 1 Law School
Tier 1 Medical school

And the #1 ranked Vet School.

xreadx

[Russ B]

And Südwerk. xbeerchugx

:D

[DavisAggie]

And Südwerk. xbeerchugx

:D


xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx xthumbsupx

xbowx

[Franks Tanks]

It seems as though FCS schools in the West and in particular California are getting ignored.

UC Davis is consistently in the top 40 of all National Universities is the USA. It is ranked in the top 10 among Public Universities. It is the only University of California school to have a medical school, vet school and law school. Very well known for academics. It has only been fully in D-I starting this year.

Cal Poly is considered the premier University in the California State University system. It is not listed in the National University rankings because it does not offer Doctoral programs. However it is the number 1 non doctoral Public University in the west according to the US News. It is also the number 1 non doctoral public university engineering school in the USA. Athletically Cal Poly has only been D-I since 1995. In D-II they won 35 National Championships. That was the most by any school at that time.
31,962 applications for admission in the fall of 2006.


I can admit that being from the North East I knew little about Davis or Poly. However after a little investigation you of course realize they are among the finest public universities in the nation, and it probably only a matter of time before more people begin realizing this. A gem can only be hidden for so long.

[BlueHen86]

The title of the thread is most well known/popular FCS schools. No doubt the California schools are great academically, but if they are being ignored it's because they aren't well known.
As I said earlier in this thread, very few FCS schools would be considered well known. (IMO none go by the initials UD either.)

[Go...gate]

After six straight trips to the Dance and a couple of Sweet Sixteen appearances, I think more folks have heard of SIU basketball than football. Most fans who follow college basketball have heard of them along with Davidson, Butler, Holy Cross , UMass, Georgetown, and Villanova. Indiana State will forever be known as the alma mater of Larry Bird. I have a feeling you don't watch March Madness.

You are forgetting SIU's terrific 1966-67 NIT Champions, led by Walt "Clyde" Frazier. En route to the Championship, SIU beat a great Rutgers team starring Jim Valvano and Dick Lloyd in the NIT Semifinals back when the NIT really meant something. That title, as much as anything, put SIU on the map. :)

[Go...gate]

You're hanging out with some uneducated people if any of them don't know where Brown is located. BTW, the great majority of Brown students are not from New England. I doubt if you could find any reputable H.S. in the country where the top students and guidance counselors don't know about Brown.

Just saw this. Definitely agree.

[USDFAN_55]

Just saw this. Definitely agree.

How does not knowing where a school is located make you uneducated?

[Go...gate]

Are most of you saying Southern because they are the team THE ICON plays in the Bayou Classic or do you really know something about them?

Grambling, IMO, has to be up with the Ivy League as one of the most well-known universities in the US.

[BlueHen86]

Grambling, IMO, has to be up with the Ivy League as one of the most well-known universities in the US

xnodx

[Go...gate]

How does not knowing where a school is located make you uneducated?

I find it hard to believe that any American would not know where its most prestigious institutions of learning are, especially in this day and age.

[Go...gate]

Don't forget the liberal arts colleges!

1. (9) Davidson
2. (17) Colgate
3. (30) Bucknell
4. (33) Holy Cross
5. (34) Lafayette
6. (37) Furman
7. (40) Richmond
8. (59) Wofford
9. (71) VMI

Very glad somebody added this! xnodx

[Go...gate]

I believe that you folks are forgetting that The Citadel and the Virginia Military Institute have a reputation worldwide through the service of our graduates. The fame of our institutions always preceed us. I would put us right behind the ivies. ask the yankees, spainish, huns, wops, nazis, japs, koreans, chinese, vietnamese, and saddam, and the taliban. they might not be able to talk much, you know it takes a head to be able to talk!

Well said. Both schools are national in scope and recruit both students and athletes accordingly.

I just noticed - Citdog gave arch-rival VMI some real love there!

[Go...gate]

My high school guidance counselor didn't know where Brown was located.

Unbelievable!! xnonono2x

[BlueHen86]

Well said. Both schools are national in scope and recruit both students and athletes accordingly.

I just noticed - Citdog gave arch-rival VMI some real love there!
Yes he did. I just gave him rep points for it. (I have family ties to VMI)

[skinny_uncle]

You are forgetting SIU's terrific 1966-67 NIT Champions, led by Walt "Clyde" Frazier. En route to the Championship, SIU beat a great Rutgers team starring Jim Valvano and Dick Lloyd in the NIT Semifinals back when the NIT really meant something. That title, as much as anything, put SIU on the map. :)
The NIT title is what sent us to Division I. It was definitely a landmark.

[Go...gate]

Let's talk about something really important, like what are the most recognizable NASCAR #'s xconfusedx

... and how long Charlie's Irish go winless this year xthumbsupx

It will certainly continue until the leaves are all off the trees. xbawlingx

[Go...gate]

Here is something I learned this week.... The real "UD", Dayton of course has a president with a degree from the other UD, Delaware of course!

Any FCS school with a big time, successful basketball program is going to be better known nationally than one that has a low profile, maybe not so successful basketball program.


Yeah, but Dayton doesn't get suffficient credit for its academics, either.

[Go...gate]

It seems as though FCS schools in the West and in particular California are getting ignored.

UC Davis is consistently in the top 40 of all National Universities is the USA. It is ranked in the top 10 among Public Universities. It is the only University of California school to have a medical school, vet school and law school. Very well known for academics. It has only been fully in D-I starting this year.

Cal Poly is considered the premier University in the California State University system. It is not listed in the National University rankings because it does not offer Doctoral programs. However it is the number 1 non doctoral Public University in the west according to the US News. It is also the number 1 non doctoral public university engineering school in the USA. Athletically Cal Poly has only been D-I since 1995. In D-II they won 35 National Championships. That was the most by any school at that time.
31,962 applications for admission in the fall of 2006.

Well said.

[Punchykky]

Hey there, this is a little OT, but my wife was KKY at JMU. I think they used to try and plan activities with NSU KKY when they could.

xthumbsupx JMU's KKY is the reason NSU has KKY! They used to come down and guide NSU's chapter. I did get a chance to meet quite a few peeps from JMU. And JMU's campus is soooooooooooooo beautiful! xnodx xsmoochx Definitely a small world!xthumbsupx But I didn't get involved with KKY until I became the band director at Va. Union University from 1993-1994.

[CrunchGriz]

I haven't read this entire thread (it's pretty dang long), but 'popularity' is measured in many different ways. One measure of a university's popularity is how much university-themed stuff it sells.

Montana has been the top-selling I-AA/FCS team for several years, among universities marketing through the Collegiate Licensing Company (some universities do not market through CLC, most notably some of the biggest sellers, like Notre Dame). Montana was the second-ranked FCS team year, at 47th in sales among American universities (edged out by Georgetown at 46th, which is definitely not famous as an FCS football school), and it's been in the 40s for several years. Delaware was the third-ranked FCS team this past year, at 74th overall.

[Go...gate]

I haven't read this entire thread (it's pretty dang long), but 'popularity' is measured in many different ways. One measure of a university's popularity is how much university-themed stuff it sells.

Montana has been the top-selling I-AA/FCS team for several years, among universities marketing through the Collegiate Licensing Company (some universities do not market through CLC, most notably some of the biggest sellers, like Notre Dame). Montana was the second-ranked FCS team year, at 47th in sales among American universities (edged out by Georgetown at 46th, which is definitely not famous as an FCS football school), and it's been in the 40s for several years. Delaware was the third-ranked FCS team this past year, at 74th overall.

Right. Moreover, all you need to know about Montana is that Army played them in 1984. With very few exceptions, the military academies (and especially Army and Navy) simply does not schedule schools not having identification on a national basis. This is also why they played Ivy and PL schools, along with The Citadel and VMI as non-conference opponents for years.

[DavisAggie]

Your "average man on the street" couldn't name 4 members of the Ivy League.

Maybe only in Montana. *****, I knew the Ivy League schools since I was 10 years old, maybe earlier. I guess that is what differentiates a Montana grad from others.

During my junior year in high school I visited Princeton, Univ. of Nevada at Reno, UCLA, CAL, and Washington, but loved the college town feel of the Davis campus. For those of you outside of Montana, you probably already guessed my major, yeah, mathematics. I have a twin and sending two of us back east was just not feasible.

(Ok, probably more than you guys needed to know) xcoffeex

My most well known/popular FCS schools:

Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Brown
Cornell
Dartmouth
Penn
Columbia
UC Davis
Cal Ploy
William & Mary
Villanova
Colgate
Fordham
Lehigh
The Citadel
Howard University
Georgetown

[lucchesicourt]

US News & World Report ranked San Diego #89 in its top university rankings.....here's the link.....not many FCS schools on the list, especailly when you remove the Ivies.....

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/usnews/edu/college/rankings/brief/t1natudoc_brief.php

xthumbsupx

There are just not many FCS schools in the west. Most are from the East coast. However, UC Davis is definitely more well know than University of San Diego academically and for athletics.

[lucchesicourt]

I lived in CA since 1964, from the East Coast (born in RI, and lived in VA), and I had never heard of University of San Diego until I heard my nephew was attending there. I thought University of San Diego was a way of referring to UC San Diego in the early 80's.

[Catatonic]

It seems as though FCS schools in the West and in particular California are getting ignored.

UC Davis is consistently in the top 40 of all National Universities is the USA. It is ranked in the top 10 among Public Universities. It is the only University of California school to have a medical school, vet school and law school. Very well known for academics. It has only been fully in D-I starting this year.

Cal Poly is considered the premier University in the California State University system. It is not listed in the National University rankings because it does not offer Doctoral programs. However it is the number 1 non doctoral Public University in the west according to the US News. It is also the number 1 non doctoral public university engineering school in the USA. Athletically Cal Poly has only been D-I since 1995. In D-II they won 35 National Championships. That was the most by any school at that time.
31,962 applications for admission in the fall of 2006.

The Viticulture program at Cal Davis is world renowned.

[PantherRob82]

How did this 9 year old thread randomly get bumped?

[Catatonic]

Maybe only in Montana. *****, I knew the Ivy League schools since I was 10 years old, maybe earlier. I guess that is what differentiates a Montana grad from others.

During my junior year in high school I visited Princeton, Univ. of Nevada at Reno, UCLA, CAL, and Washington, but loved the college town feel of the Davis campus. For those of you outside of Montana, you probably already guessed my major, yeah, mathematics. I have a twin and sending two of us back east was just not feasible.

(Ok, probably more than you guys needed to know) xcoffeex

My most well known/popular FCS schools:

Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Brown
Cornell
Dartmouth
Penn
Columbia
UC Davis
Cal Ploy
William & Mary
Villanova
Colgate
Fordham
Lehigh
The Citadel
Howard University
Georgetown

This is an excellent list if you weight academics heavily. There are a handful of other liberal arts and regional universities that deserve honorable mention based on academics.

NDSU, Grambling and Southern Illinois are well known based on athletic success.

[Catatonic]

How did this 9 year old thread randomly get bumped?

Off season?

[BisonFan02]

Holy thread resurrection Batman.... xlolx

[WestCoastAggie]

What's San diego known for?

They're on Jim Harbaugh's Wikipedia page.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

A 22 page thread where Lehigh is mentioned numerous times yet not a single Lehigh poster chimes in. That might be a record :D....The only thing I can think of is the Hawk faithful were too busy grumbling about Andy Coen at that time. 2007 turned out to be Lehigh's first losing season in 10 years.....

[Laker]

How did this 9 year old thread randomly get bumped?

Rumors of the return of Idaho?????????:D

[Thumper 76]

This is an excellent list if you weight academics heavily. There are a handful of other liberal arts and regional universities that deserve honorable mention based on academics.

NDSU, Grambling and Southern Illinois are well known based on athletic success.

In 07 NDSU wasn't eligible for the playoffs yet, so they wouldn't have been relevant then really. They were a damn good team, but got upset for the Great West conference championship in Brookings after going undefeated and having (I think) two FBS scalps that year. Good times.


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[PAllen]

A 22 page thread where Lehigh is mentioned numerous times yet not a single Lehigh poster chimes in. That might be a record :D....The only thing I can think of is the Hawk faithful were too busy grumbling about Andy Coen at that time. 2007 turned out to be Lehigh's first losing season in 10 years.....

I didn't see it years ago. But I will chime in that Lehigh doesn't belong on that list. Very few outside of the Northeast have heard of the place.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

This should be in the "Who Gives a *****" section.

xlolx

[1984]

I don't know about an entire Top 25, but Liberty's got to be on there, simply because of our founder and people know about us (don't necessarily like us).
Never heard of you. So do not like or dislike you.

[IBleedYellow]

Holy necho.

Umm. I'd say back then NDSU was barely on anyones radar and some of the lists were perfect.

Now though, much different landscape.

[Model Citizen]

Swallowing colours of the sound I hear
Am I just a crazy guy. (You bet).
Mamma's gonna worry
I been a bad bad boy
No use sayin' sorry
It's something that I enjoy
If you could be inside my head
You'd see that black and white is red


Clearly, Ozzy screwed up. Not only does he not understand primary colors, he also forgot that Dayton's colors are red and blue. Dayton should have a better fight song than this...

[BISON Thunder]

In 07 NDSU wasn't eligible for the playoffs yet, so they wouldn't have been relevant then really. They were a damn good team, but got upset for the Great West conference championship in Brookings after going undefeated and having (I think) two FBS scalps that year. Good times.


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Yep, remember the game well...and I believe SDSU won the next two matchups too.

A season that started with three straight losses ended a lot better for South Dakota State on Saturday.
The Jackrabbits won their first conference title in 44 years, drew an all-time record crowd and reclaimed the traveling Dakota Marker Trophy by downing North Dakota State 29-24 for the Great West Football Conference title.
Brock Gentile's interception with 1:19 left preserved the win - the fifth straight - for SDSU (7-4, 4-0 GWC) in its 94th meeting with North Dakota State.
It was the first loss of the year for North Dakota State (10-1, 3-1 GWC) and broke a 14-game winning streak dating to the 2006 season.
It was a final Great West Conference game for both teams, which are ending the transition from NCAA Division II to the Football Championship Subdivision (formerly 1AA) and will both join the Gateway Football Conference next season.
The play of special teams was a big factor for SDSU. The Jackrabbits blocked a punt that led to their first TD two plays later, scored on a long punt return and recovered a North Dakota State fumble on the second-half kickoff.
SDSU scored on its first three possessions to lead 13-3.
"Anytime you have a punt block that's a concern. Not only a punt block but a punt taken back for a touchdown - that's a 14-point swing and that's pretty big," said NDSU coachCraig Bohl (http://gobison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=75916).
"We also fumbled the kickoff, so a lot of points in the special teams was disappointing, so it certainly didn't help our effort in winning."
An all-time record home crowd of 16,345 saw Paul Aanonson come close to a record of his own. His 94-yard scoring run on a punt return put the Jackrabbits ahead 20-3 midway through the second quarter. The school record for a punt return touchdown is 95 yards.
"That might have been the biggest play of the game right there because they had a little bit of momentum and were stopping us on offense," said SDSU quarterback Ryan Berry. "Then he does that and shifts momentum all the way back in our favor, and that was huge."
"We tell our players whether you get two reps on special teams or get 60 reps on defense or offense, anytime you're on the field you have a chance to affect the football game," said SDSU coach John Stiegelmeier. "Our players take that to heart when they take the field and they expect to make a difference. And they did that today."
NDSU's only lead was 24-23 on a 6-yard pass from Steve Walker (http://gobison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=73759) to Jerimiah Wurzbacher (http://gobison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=74277) early in the fourth period.
Cory Koenig rushed for 131 yards on 22 carries and scored on runs of 1 and 42 yards for SDSU. The 42-yard TD scamper, with 9:10 left, put South Dakota State (7-4, 4-0 GWC) ahead by the final score.
North Dakota State had two more possessions, but the first ended in a lost fumble with 7:20 to play and the second ended with the Gentile interception. In between, South Dakota State's Parker Douglass, who earlier had field goals of 31, 29 and 27 yards, missed a 41-yarder with 1:51 remaining.
Tyler Roehl (http://gobison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=74250) rushed for 79 yards and scored twice for North Dakota State, previously rated No. 1 in the FCS coaches poll and still holding a 51-38-5 advantage in its series with SDSU.
Quarterback Walker was 16-28 in passing for 173 yards, giving him a school record 2,327 yards for the season. Alex Belquist (http://gobison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=89622) had five catches for 58 yards and Kole Heckendorf (http://gobison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=73731) five catches for 54 yards. Heckendorf has now caught at least one pass in 25 straight games and in 32 of 33 career games.
A week earlier, NDSU scored 22 points in the final 10 minutes to beat Cal Poly 31-28.
"It's not every time we can pull that out," said NDSU senior linebacker Joe Mays (http://gobison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=73726), who was in on a team-leading 11 tackles. "We've had the privilege of doing that, but today was not our day from beginning to end."
"I feel like someone hit me in the stomach. It hurts, man."

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I didn't see it years ago. But I will chime in that Lehigh doesn't belong on that list. Very few outside of the Northeast have heard of the place.

I'll try to not be a homer and say I don't believe that's true. Lehigh's name recognition has grown considerably over the last 5 years. It was relatively well known 9 years ago but with the bball win over Duke and CJ McCollum's rise the school's reach has grown considerably.

Following MTSU's win over Michigan State Lehigh's name and logo was posted on CBS, TNT, TBS and TrueTV numerous times. NBA fans are well versed in the fact the Blazers backcourt comprises of two small school stars.

Lehigh-Lafayette stills gets mention on ESPN, CBS, Fox etc. one day a year too.

[PAllen]

I'll try to not be a homer and say I don't believe that's true. Lehigh's name recognition has grown considerably over the last 5 years. It was relatively well known 9 years ago but with the bball win over Duke and CJ McCollum's rise the school's reach has grown considerably.

Following MTSU's win over Michigan State Lehigh's name and logo was posted on CBS, TNT, TBS and TrueTV numerous times. NBA fans are well versed in the fact the Blazers backcourt comprises of two small school stars.

Lehigh-Lafayette stills gets mention on ESPN, CBS, Fox etc. one day a year too.

The Duke win got some name recognition, but not much. I got my brother a Lehigh flag for Christmas the next year as everyone in his Indianapolis suburb flies flags of their favorite teams in front of their houses come March. Everyone asked him what the heck the flag was all about as in their opinion, it didn't fit with the Indiana, Butler, UNC, Gonzaga, etc flags. He would mention the Duke win, and even with that, only a few would even remember it. Travel to the south, and nobody's heard of the place. Heck, even here in Northern Virginia the only people who have heard of it are those that went to a PL school, or those that applied to Lehigh and got turned down. Pennsylvania, Maryland, New Jersey, and New York know all about Lehigh, but west of the Ohio, and south of the Potomac, LU's basically unheard of.

[superman7515]

Holy thread resurrection Batman.... xlolx

Thread resurrection?

We've got a full blow user resurrection.

Lucche, where the hell have you been for most of the last decade?

[KPSUL]

Thread resurrection?

We've got a full blow user resurrection.

Lucche, where the hell have you been for most of the last decade?

He must have been suffering from Bourne Syndrome the past 8 and 1/2 years.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Thread resurrection?

We've got a full blow user resurrection.

Lucche, where the hell have you been for most of the last decade?

Yeah, a bunch on this one. LizGiz as well. Lucchie is/was a good one too for sure.

[ngineer]

Agreed

[ngineer]

I didn't see it years ago. But I will chime in that Lehigh doesn't belong on that list. Very few outside of the Northeast have heard of the place.

Not after we beat Duke in basketball!!:D

[Twentysix]

The Duke win got some name recognition, but not much. I got my brother a Lehigh flag for Christmas the next year as everyone in his Indianapolis suburb flies flags of their favorite teams in front of their houses come March. Everyone asked him what the heck the flag was all about as in their opinion, it didn't fit with the Indiana, Butler, UNC, Gonzaga, etc flags. He would mention the Duke win, and even with that, only a few would even remember it. Travel to the south, and nobody's heard of the place. Heck, even here in Northern Virginia the only people who have heard of it are those that went to a PL school, or those that applied to Lehigh and got turned down. Pennsylvania, Maryland, New Jersey, and New York know all about Lehigh, but west of the Ohio, and south of the Potomac, LU's basically unheard of.

Agreed, Lehigh basically doesn't exist outside of the NE. The simple reality is that to the average american very few schools exist outside of a regional bubble.

Hell I go to one of the top 15 academic schools in the entire world and it has just about 40,000 students and 100,000+ applicants every year, and as soon as I leave SoCal I have to explain what UCSD is to literally everyone.

Your average joe in the US with no particular region in mind has heard of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, and MIT. Beyond that good luck. Now if you want to talk sports fans, then it changes a little, or if you want to talk about people who are educated, it changes again.


http://s8.postimg.org/jrffiz35x/Top_25.png

[Catatonic]

"our average joe in the US with no particular region in mind has heard of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, and MIT. Beyond that good luck. Now if you want to talk sports fans, then it changes a little, or if you want to talk about people who are educated, it changes again."

Notre Dame should be added to that list imo. I agree with your broader point though. The average person knows very little about higher education, at least in terms of academics. I'd say the list is much longer based on success in sports than success in academics. Relatively few people know that Michigan is an academic powerhouse. Many more know they are a football or basketball power. Educated people may know both.

[smallcollegefbfan]

What are the most popular/well known 1AA schools as a whole, including all factors academic, football, basketball, prestige, etc.

My top 25:

1) Harvard
2) Yale
3) Princeton
4) Massachusetts
5) Villanova
6) Pennsylvania
7) Brown
8) Georgetown
9) Columbia
10) Bucknell
11) Cornell
12) Dayton
13) Colgate
14) Butler
15) Delaware
16) Lehigh
17) Dartmouth
18) Youngstown State
19) Valparaiso
20) Montana
21) Appalachian State
22) James Madison
23) Holy Cross
24) Richmond
25) San Diego


What is your top 25?

I realized this thread was old now and see why it is missing some programs.

With the removal of App and UMASS and addition of NDSU to the scene I was thinking a list may look more like this.

I won't rank them but the schools with the biggest names based on my travels around the country seem to be the following

Harvard
Yale
Dartmouth
Princeton
Penn
Brown
Villanova
Liberty
Delaware
Grambling
Florida A&M
Montana
North Dakota State
Eastern Washington
Youngstown State
Stephen F. Austin
Georgetown
James Madison
Howard
Southern
Dayton
Cornell
Butler
Valparaiso

[superman7515]

I would probably narrow down to just current FCS programs. If so, you could remove App State and UMAS. I'm not sure Holy Cross or San Diego would make this list. When you include basketball you have to include UNI right now. They are well known right now and a top football program.

You have to include North Dakota State now. With their 5 titles and now Carson Wentz the whole nation just about seems to have heard of it.

You're replying to a 9-year old thread, a lot has changed in that time.

[Twentysix]

"our average joe in the US with no particular region in mind has heard of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, and MIT. Beyond that good luck. Now if you want to talk sports fans, then it changes a little, or if you want to talk about people who are educated, it changes again."

Notre Dame should be added to that list imo. I agree with your broader point though. The average person knows very little about higher education, at least in terms of academics. I'd say the list is much longer based on success in sports than success in academics. Relatively few people know that Michigan is an academic powerhouse. Many more know they are a football or basketball power. Educated people may know both.


Yes. Your average sports fan probably undervalues the academic power/prestige of Michigan, Washington, UCLA, and Wisconsin. Though Wisconsin is going to tank in the rankings until they reinstate tenure.

[clenz]

Are we talking strictly football top 25 names?
Overall athletics well known?
Academics known?
Overall combined known?

Very broad topic.

[smallcollegefbfan]

You're replying to a 9-year old thread, a lot has changed in that time.

I don't remember this thread the first time and did not realize the date. I corrected my post above! I agree with others, how in the heck did this type of 9-year old thread get bumped so randomly? lol

[walliver]

Are we talking strictly football top 25 names?
Overall athletics well known?
Academics known?
Overall combined known?

Very broad topic.

If you are talking football only, the list consists of
1) Grambling
2) Southern
3) Harvard
4) Yale
5) ... everybody else.

In fairness, the G5 list would look like:
1) Army
2) Navy
3) Boise State
4) Air Force
5) everybody else

The D2 list consists of:
1)
- a few casual fans might place NDSU here.:)


If you list is based on name recognition, you basically have the Ivies and a few HBCU's

If based on academics, you have the Ivies nationally, the Patriots in the Northeast, a subgroup of CAA schools in the mid-Atlantic, and a subgroup of the SoCon in the South

[BisonFan02]

If you are talking football only, the list consists of
1) Grambling
2) Southern
3) Harvard
4) Yale
5) ... everybody else.

In fairness, the G5 list would look like:
1) Army
2) Navy
3) Boise State
4) Air Force
5) everybody else

The D2 list consists of:
1)
- a few casual fans might place NDSU here.:)


If you list is based on name recognition, you basically have the Ivies and a few HBCU's

If based on academics, you have the Ivies nationally, the Patriots in the Northeast, a subgroup of CAA schools in the mid-Atlantic, and a subgroup of the SoCon in the South

I think at this point a few people know what NDSU football is....could be wrong, but I'm probably not.

[clenz]

If you are talking football only, the list consists of
1) Grambling
2) Southern
3) Harvard
4) Yale
5) ... everybody else.

In fairness, the G5 list would look like:
1) Army
2) Navy
3) Boise State
4) Air Force
5) everybody else

The D2 list consists of:
1)
- a few casual fans might place NDSU here.:)


If you list is based on name recognition, you basically have the Ivies and a few HBCU's

If based on academics, you have the Ivies nationally, the Patriots in the Northeast, a subgroup of CAA schools in the mid-Atlantic, and a subgroup of the SoCon in the South
Here's the thing - 99% of people at this point don't know any of those FCS schools you listed for their football programs. They know the school, and it just so happens to have football.

If you're talking FCS schools known for their football it would be (in no particular order)
Group 1
NDSU
Montana
UNI
EWU
SHSU - maybe

Then there's a relatively good sized drop into the next category where you'd find programs like Montana State, Southern Illinois, Delaware (should be in the first group but the lsat 6 years hvae really hurt and that's where SHSU stepped in), Richmond, Liberty, etc...

[BisonFan02]

Here's the thing - 99% of people at this point don't know any of those FCS schools you listed for their football programs. They know the school, and it just so happens to have football.

If you're talking FCS schools known for their football it would be (in no particular order)
Group 1
NDSU
Montana
UNI
EWU
SHSU - maybe

Then there's a relatively good sized drop into the next category where you'd find programs like Montana State, Southern Illinois, Delaware (should be in the first group but the lsat 6 years hvae really hurt and that's where SHSU stepped in), Richmond, Liberty, etc...

Pretty much this...would sub some schools though (JMU, etc.)

[clenz]

Pretty much this...would sub some schools though (JMU, etc.)
Yeah, not sure how I forgot JMU. That was a 2 second list.

[Catatonic]

Here's the thing - 99% of people at this point don't know any of those FCS schools you listed for their football programs. They know the school, and it just so happens to have football.

If you're talking FCS schools known for their football it would be (in no particular order)
Group 1
NDSU
Montana
UNI
EWU
SHSU - maybe

Then there's a relatively good sized drop into the next category where you'd find programs like Montana State, Southern Illinois, Delaware (should be in the first group but the lsat 6 years hvae really hurt and that's where SHSU stepped in), Richmond, Liberty, etc...

Lots of FCS schools are known for something. WM & Mary for its history, for example. Cal Davis, Cal Poly, most of the Ivies and a lot of liberal arts colleges from the Northeast for academics. Since you raise football, however...

I'd say people outside of FCS circles know two current schools for football-NDSU and Grambling. NDSU for its current success and Grambling for Eddie Robinson. The Game between Harvard-Yale might be known as well. Some of the others on your list might be known to fans in a specific state or region but that's about it.

[Lehigh Football Nation]

Pertinent to this discussion:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-ncaa-tournaments-most-where-the-hell-is-that-college-colleges-ranked/?ex_cid=538twitter

Overall, I was really surprised how few people knew where St. Joe's is. I guess I know only because I am around Philly. But I thought it was a very good indication on how name recognition works. For example, Lehigh beat Duke, but how many know Lehigh's in Pennsylvania? Even though they might know 1), they might not go as far as to discover 2).

[melloware13]

Pertinent to this discussion:

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-ncaa-tournaments-most-where-the-hell-is-that-college-colleges-ranked/?ex_cid=538twitter

Overall, I was really surprised how few people knew where St. Joe's is. I guess I know only because I am around Philly. But I thought it was a very good indication on how name recognition works. For example, Lehigh beat Duke, but how many know Lehigh's in Pennsylvania? Even though they might know 1), they might not go as far as to discover 2).

To do a similar analysis for FCS, you first have to remove schools with state names in them (because if someone can't figure out that Montana is in Montana, there's no hope for them).

[clenz]

To do a similar analysis for FCS, you first have to remove schools with state names in them (because if someone can't figure out that Montana is in Montana, there's no hope for them).
Which then removes them from properly being addressed as to how well known they are.

I'm not sure being able to place a school in a state is completely pertinent, though I see how it could tie in.

[iowastatebison]

Maybe an analysis using nicknames would work better than using states. Or even have a combination of nickname, state, and city location.