NCAA Rule Changes to be Approved Later for 2022 Season

[bonarae]

Discuss.

https://footballscoop.com/news/ncaa-playing-rules-committee-recommends-banning-cut-blocks-outside-tackle-box-targeting-injury-fakers

[ElCid]

Discuss.

https://footballscoop.com/news/ncaa-playing-rules-committee-recommends-banning-cut-blocks-outside-tackle-box-targeting-injury-fakers

Yeah it's BS. It's basically an attempt to neuter anybody with option type offense. Our wide receivers were very good at taking down defenders and springing holes. Now they will be hamstrung. It's been slowly creeping towards this. I've heard teams whining about it for years.

[kdinva]

The "fake" injury will be tough to prove, but making that player sit out the remainder of the opponent's drive may be a deterrent.

[BS50]

Yeah it's BS. It's basically an attempt to neuter anybody with option type offense. Our wide receivers were very good at taking down defenders and springing holes. Now they will be hamstrung. It's been slowly creeping towards this. I've heard teams whining about it for years.

Are you referring to the cut block rule?

[FUBeAR]

The "fake" injury will be tough to prove, but making that player sit out the remainder of the opponent's drive may be a deterrent.
Yeah…but they’re not doing that. They’re doing this…

“In another tweak that will frustrate many, the committee chose to address alleged injury fakers by implementing an investigation and appeal process.”

…which means nothing, IFBO, as Teams will be hesitant to report, leagues will be hesitant to penalize, penalties will not be applied ex post facto (because they can’t be), the NCAA suits will feel good about doing something to address the issue, and nothing will change.

One SoCon Team used fake injuries on D relentlessly last season. They used it for timeouts in crucial situations, timeouts to rest their D on long drives, and timeouts to kill O momentum. FUBeAR would say they avg’d 2 or 3 extra fake injury timeouts per half. It was maddening!

With some changes within their program, that may change in 2022, but it’s still an issue and needs to be stopped with enough teeth to take a bite out of any Team doing it.

Guise it under “Safety” with the injured Player being out for the rest of the series…although FUBeAR could see offenders putting in “Designated Fakers” for 1 play to ‘steal’ a timeout…so it would need more teeth…such as something like…if the ‘injured’ Player did not start the series, then he and 1 player of the O’s choosing must sit out the rest of the series…hard to track, but fun…huh?

Anyway…this non-action is BS and will have no effect. Hopefully, at least in the SoCon, the change within the offending program will ‘cure’ their ‘injury’ problem.

[BEAR]

Not the first time I've seen this...but hilarious all the same.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFojfG31enA

[Lehigh Football Nation]

The faking of injuries is a scourge that needs addressing, but my faith that the NCAA will come up with the right solution is very low.

[FormerPokeCenter]

Not the first time I've seen this...but hilarious all the same.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFojfG31enA


This one was great....there was a pretty fun thread about it on the Lumberjack Delphi Forum that I may or may not have instigated....at first, the Lumberjacks were united against me, but by the end of the thread most of them were agreeing that egregious fakery like that was dishonorable...the 4-2-fake a cramp defense was clearly on display against the Aggies...

[ElCid]

The faking of injuries is a scourge that needs addressing, but my faith that the NCAA will come up with the right solution is very low.

The crux of the problem, obviously, is how does anyone actual know if it's faked or not. I mean really know.

Without really knowing any rule may very well be unfair in some cases, or not enough in others. Simply taking out a suspected player for more time (two, three plays or the rest of the game) may not be the answer if a third string player came specifically for that purpose. You have to trust that players, and coaches, will behave in a sportsmanlike manner. I am not sure we need another subjective rule in the hands of refs. A ruling that they have no way of verifying, or even grading after the fact, and penalize a team for what may very well have been an actual injury.

And while 90%, or more, of the time any subjective rule may have little or no impact on game results, it's that 10% that will make a rule ultimately good or bad. That 10% may flip a game or championship. I just assigned an arbitrary % and won't necessarily defend those #s.

Now it may well be that simply the threat of a penalty may be enough to stop the most flagrant instances. Kind of like the fake QB slide issue. But who knows.

[JayJ79]

Yeah it's BS. It's basically an attempt to neuter anybody with option type offense. Our wide receivers were very good at taking down defenders and springing holes. Now they will be hamstrung. It's been slowly creeping towards this. I've heard teams whining about it for years.
if cut blocks do indeed have a higher risk of causing knee injuries, then they should be banned.
if your style of offense is more harmful to player health and safety, then you should change your style of offense.

[JayJ79]

"The committee recommended adopting NFL-style sock rules, requiring each sock to cover the entire area from cleat to knee."

what exactly is the point of this anyway?

[ST_Lawson]

"The committee recommended adopting NFL-style sock rules, requiring each sock to cover the entire area from cleat to knee."

what exactly is the point of this anyway?

They're in the pocket of "big sock".

[FUBeAR]

They're in the pocket of "big sock".
Possibly or possibly the owner of the Nair brand, Church & Dwight, refused to pay the NCAA’s demand for tribute and offer to become the “Official depilatory cream of the NCAA”

[ElCid]

if cut blocks do indeed have a higher risk of causing knee injuries, then they should be banned.
if your style of offense is more harmful to player health and safety, then you should change your style of offense.

Then maybe we should just stop tackling as well because people get hurt from it as well. Where does it end?

[FUBeAR]

Then maybe we should just stop tackling as well because people get hurt from it as well. Where does it end?
True…and as we’ve moved away from relatively safe (IFBO) HEADS-UP ‘face-tackling,’ FUBeAR has noticed a lot of Players, DB’s particularly, using what he would call a “Grab & Slide” tackling technique. Essentially, the Defender runs toward the ball carrier, gets his hands on the runner, then uses the momentum from the ‘run to’ & the leverage from the ‘grab’ to swing his entire body violently into the legs of the ball carrier…bringing him to the ground and, on occasion, sadly, fracturing 1 or both of the bones in the lower leg(s) and/or bones in the ankle(s).

This type of perfectly legal, and possibly ‘preferred’ type of tackle ended former outstanding Mercer QB Robert Riddle’s promising career.

Watch for it in games this Fall. It seems to be, perhaps, an unintended consequence of / adaptation for the Targeting rules…or, perhaps, it is now being taught because of those rules. Looks to be much more dangerous than cut blocking, but not sure of its relative frequency. Not sure that the injury/cut block ratio warrants the type of rule changes we’ve seen….Suspect this “Grab & Slide” Tackle technique has a MUCH higher injury/instance ratio than cut blocking does.

[Libertine]

As far as "faking injuries", I have no idea how anyone is supposed to police that. Coaches tell players who have legitimate injuries to upper extremities (wrist, arm, hand, etc.,) who might otherwise be able to get off the field pretty quickly under their own power to go down to the ground anyway. That's not about subterfuge, that's about giving coaches time to correctly substitute for the injured player. To the casual observer, it might look like a fake injury but if a kid thinks he's hurt, outside of a massive HIPAA violation, you're never going to know for sure and officials have an obligation to treat all potential injuries as legitimate.

As for the other, if the NCAA really wanted to cut down on lower extremity injuries, I would ban the 4-point stance way before banning the cut block. Option teams wouldn't like that either but there's no functional purpose for the 4-point stance other than diving onto your opponents' ankles.

[JayJ79]

As for the other, if the NCAA really wanted to cut down on lower extremity injuries, I would ban the 4-point stance way before banning the cut block. Option teams wouldn't like that either but there's no functional purpose for the 4-point stance other than diving onto your opponents' ankles.
they don't care about linemen getting injured, only about QBs, RBs, WRs, etc.
hence why cut blocks are still allowed amongst linemen at the line of scrimmage

[JayJ79]

why is it that there is a "report post" option for every post EXCEPT the one that is obvious advertising spam?

[ElCid]

why is it that there is a "report post" option for every post EXCEPT the one that is obvious advertising spam?

I PMd Ursus. This guy is splashing them all over. But that is interesting. It has no report post icon. Hmm.

[caribbeanhen]

Then maybe we should just stop tackling as well because people get hurt from it as well. Where does it end?

Imagine masked people in outdoor stadiums watching young kids crack each other’s skulls

[OhioHen]

why is it that there is a "report post" option for every post EXCEPT the one that is obvious advertising spam?
Perhaps it has already be reported the maximum number of times a post can be reported. I reported this one and another identical post yesterday afternoon. I'm sure others did as well.

[ElCid]

Perhaps it has already be reported the maximum number of times a post can be reported. I reported this one and another identical post yesterday afternoon. I'm sure others did as well.

Great explanation!