How bad is Notre Dame

[ChickenMan]

ND starts 0-3.. but that really isn't the issue.. it's the woeful manner in which they have reached that 0-3. Three games and still NO offensive TDs and even worse.. three games and MINUS total yards rushing. How is that even possible.. no one could be that inept.. could they??? Charlie Weis.. a self-anointed offensive genius.. apparently has no clue as to how to right the ship as each ND performance seems to get worse.

Even though he just lost to Ohio St.. Ty Willingham has to be laughing his butt off at the disaster that is occuring in South Bend... xlolx

[Ivytalk]

I just took a gander at their schedule. It's conceivable that ND could end the year at 2-10, or even 1-11, even though they have 7 home games. They might finally lose to Navy this year, and the only "guaranteed" win appears to be Duke. If ND fires Weis, they have to eat the rest of his "fat" (pun intended) 10-year contract.

[brownbear]

Notre Dame can easily lose the next 5 games, making an 0-8 start until they finish with Navy, Air Force, Duke, and Stanford, which they could win 2 or 3 those. Still, 3-9 is an awful season for Notre Dame, and Notre Dame has not finished with fewer than 5 wins since their 2-7 season in 1963, and Notre Dame has NEVER lost 9 games in a season.

[brownbear]

Also, how about this:

Notre Dame is starting 0-3, which is their worst start since they went 0-3 to start the 1999 season. Notre Dame has NEVER started 0-4 in a season, and they have been playing football since 1887, and it has not been done. Charlie Weis is about to achieve something no Notre Dame coach has every done!

[andy7171]

All's I know is this COULD be Navy's year!

Go Middies!

[GoldandBlack]

ND starts 0-3.. but that really isn't the issue.. it's the woeful manner in which they have reached that 0-3. Three games and still NO offensive TDs and even worse.. three games and MINUS total yards rushing. How is that even possible.. no one could be that inept.. could they??? Charlie Weis.. a self-anointed offensive genius.. apparently has no clue as to how to right the ship as each ND performance seems to get worse.

Even though he just lost to Ohio St.. Ty Willingham has to be laughing his butt off at the disaster that is occuring in South Bend... xlolx

Given the way Willingham was treated with the coaching change at Notre Dame, I think they're getting exactly what they deserve- I wouldn't cry if they didn't win a game this year, myself.

[Seahawks Fan]

This morning's papers are talking about how ineffective Charlie Weis is as a recruiter. His early success at ND was with Wittingham's players. I don't know if this is the case, but I do question putting a true freshman in at quarterback at this level. He is not ready yet.

[citdog]

this is how bad notre dame is. Two Southern Conference teams have scored 4 times as many touchdows against the FBS as the irish have!

[mcveyrl]

this is how bad notre dame is. Two Southern Conference teams have scored 4 times as many touchdows against the FBS as the irish have!

4 x 0 = 0 xconfusedx xconfusedx

[citdog]

4 x 0 = 0 xconfusedx xconfusedx

they have scored 0

[LacesOut]

ND has lost its past five games by 20, 27, 30, 21 and 38 points. LMAO

Good lord, just think how bad USC will beat them. It might be 75-3 or something. And Boston College will probably hammer them as well. LOL

Love it!

[mcveyrl]

this is how bad notre dame is. Two Southern Conference teams have scored 4 times as many touchdows against the FBS as the irish have!


4 x 0 = 0 xconfusedx xconfusedx


they have scored 0

Right, so four times zero...is zero...I'm just confused...:D






























Just messin' with ya citdog! xpeacex

[citdog]

Right, so four times zero...is zero...I'm just confused...:D






























Just messin' with ya citdog! xpeacex

as i have stated before..... all that book learning is unbecoming a gentleman!

[mcveyrl]

as i have stated before..... all that book learning is unbecoming a gentleman!

You're telling me! I'm a smarta$$!!:D

[Ivytalk]

as i have stated before..... all that book learning is unbecoming a gentleman!

Sir, ah'm callin' you out! How dare you call ANY AGS poster a gentleman??xmadx








:p

[citdog]

Sir, ah'm callin' you out! How dare you call ANY AGS poster a gentleman??xmadx








:p


FOR YOUR PENANCE THE NEXT TIME YOU ARE AT HARVARD YOU MUST TAKE FLOWERS TO THE MONUMENT TO THE HARVARD CONFEDERATES.

[Ivytalk]

FOR YOUR PENANCE THE NEXT TIME YOU ARE AT HARVARD YOU MUST TAKE FLOWERS TO THE MONUMENT TO THE HARVARD CONFEDERATES.

And I know exactly where that is!xnodx

[lizrdgizrd]

I just took a gander at their schedule. It's conceivable that ND could end the year at 2-10, or even 1-11, even though they have 7 home games. They might finally lose to Navy this year, and the only "guaranteed" win appears to be Duke. If ND fires Weis, they have to eat the rest of his "fat" (pun intended) 10-year contract.
With Duke's defeat of Northwestern this week, that "guarantee" isn't looking so guaranteed anymore. xsmhx

[brownbear]

Duke has won more games this season than Notre Dame has!

[GeauxLions94]

... they are Soooooooooooooooo Bad, they have their own special edition website to go along with their TV deal with NBC

www.ndspn.com (http://www.ndspn.com/)

[brownbear]

I didn't know that they would change the headlines on there every week.

The headline this week:

"Notre Dame falls out of polls. See rest of Indiana High school poll here"

Great site!

[Seahawks Fan]

Amazing how fast Charlie Weis' stock has dropped, isn't it?

[813Jag]

You guys know it's all Willingham's fault, right? xlolx He left them with 6 seniors and the team is young. He made Darius Walker come out early last year. xlolx

[Seven Would Be Nice]

Can you imagine if App (or any other top FCS school) would have played ND? 45-0 xlolx xlolx

[Ivytalk]

Maybe the Philadelphia Eagles should hire Weis as their new Offensive Coordinator!:p xsmhx

[Seahawks Fan]

Maybe the Philadelphia Eagles should hire Weis as their new Offensive Coordinator!:p xsmhx

Truth is he would make an excellent offensive co-ordinator. Doesn't seem to be much of a recruiter.

[bandl]

Doesn't NBC has a contract with ND? I wonder if there is some sort of clause in there that NBC can use to drop them. Something like "Must win 1 of the first 3 games OR average more than 1 yard running per game". xconfusedx

[mcveyrl]

Doesn't NBC has a contract with ND? I wonder if there is some sort of clause in there that NBC can use to drop them. Something like "Must win 1 of the first 3 games OR average more than 1 yard running per game". xconfusedx

It should. If not, NBC's lawyer probably went to ND.

How about "All you have to do is score one TD"

[Cobblestone]

Good points about the NBC contract. It'll be interesting to see how that plays itself out. I know one thing about this ND team, I have never seen such poor tackling in my life as I did in that Michigan game.

I wonder what the Vegas line will be for the Navy game. This could be the year Navy beats them since Staubach was QB.

[mebisonII]

ND starts 0-3.. but that really isn't the issue.. it's the woeful manner in which they have reached that 0-3. Three games and still NO offensive TDs and even worse.. three games and MINUS total yards rushing. How is that even possible.. no one could be that inept.. could they??? Charlie Weis.. a self-anointed offensive genius.. apparently has no clue as to how to right the ship as each ND performance seems to get worse.

Even though he just lost to Ohio St.. Ty Willingham has to be laughing his butt off at the disaster that is occuring in South Bend... xlolx

Has anyone checked to make sure they don't just have their helmets on backwards? xeyebrowx

If they don't, maybe they should xoopsx

[brownbear]

You all don't want to watch Duke beat Notre Dame on national TV?

[AZGrizFan]

Notre Dame can easily lose the next 5 games, making an 0-8 start until they finish with Navy, Air Force, Duke, and Stanford, which they could win 2 or 3 those. Still, 3-9 is an awful season for Notre Dame, and Notre Dame has not finished with fewer than 5 wins since their 2-7 season in 1963, and Notre Dame has NEVER lost 9 games in a season.

Trust me: Navy has their date with Notre Dame circled in BIG RED LETTERS. xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx

[Go...gate]

I love Notre Dame football, and have for a lifetime, but what they did to Willingham made me sick. If this is the year of the comeuppance, then it is richly deserved and I hope the lesson is well learned. IMHO, it is entirely realistic that they may finish 0-12 or 1-11.

[ucdtim17]

What Willingham (and Davie) did to Notre Dame football made me and every other Notre Dame fan sick. We're going through the worst of what he started now. It's not going to be an easy year

[Marcus Garvey]

I love how the Irish Nation is making it out to be completely the fault of Weiss' predecessors. As if terrible coaching has had no impact either.

I think Notre Dame will beat Michigan State. The reason I say that is every freaking year, Michigan St. has a meltdown game and their season falls apart. Since the Spartans almost blew it against "The Wanstache" last week (i.e., Pitt), I think the ND game is a good example.

Mich. St. is like Gil the Salesman from The Simpsons: "This is going to be are year! I can feel it! Old Gil is going to win the Big 10.... Oh nooo!! Noooo!!! Why did we have to lose that game.... Oh noooo!"

[ucdtim17]

I love how the Irish Nation is making it out to be completely the fault of Weiss' predecessors. As if terrible coaching has had no impact either.


Please find where I absolved Weis (notice there is not a second "s" after the first "s" - it is really not that difficult of a name) of any and all blame.

No I believe you'll find I wrote several times how Willingham's sorry "recruiting" is no excuse for being as bad as ND is this year. That's on Weis, the coaching staff and the upperclassmen (those that are there) who should be leading this team

[ucdtim17]

A pretty fair article in USA Today:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2007-09-17-notre-dame-cover_N.htm

I'll highlight some key passages.


Notre Dame athletics director Kevin White, in a statement to USA TODAY, said he has been encouraged by the Irish faithful's support. "While of course I would be less than honest if I didn't suggest that the reaction to our slow start has been all over the board," says White, who two years ago gave Weis a 10-year contract extension. "However, the lion's share of the Notre Dame alumni and fans are pretty darn savvy and they are very excited about future prospects."


"There's a new quarterback, new receivers, new running backs, three new offensive linemen and a new 3-4 scheme on defense. So there's going to be growing pains," says Mike Golic, co-host of ESPN's Mike & Mike in the Morning radio show and a former defensive lineman for the Irish. "Growing pains were expected. The lack of progress wasn't."


And if the recruiting experts are correct, those young guys will be Weis' building blocks.

Next year's class is projected No. 1 by Rivals.com. Weis' first two classes were rated No. 8. However, the four classes prior to Weis' arrival were 24th, 12th, 32nd and 40th.

"You are seeing the tail end of the inability of Ty Willingham to recruit at Notre Dame," says Mike Farrell, Rival.com's national recruiting analyst. "Blunt, but it is true. Notre Dame is a program that should always be involved with high school all-Americans from around the country. They should be competing with the USCs, Texases, Floridas, Florida States, Michigans and the Ohio States of the world. When you see guys get offers from Notre Dame, and they don't have that other caliber of offer, you wonder."

Says Johnson: "You have a couple of off years of recruiting, you are going to pay for it. If you've got two years of recruiting it should start paying dividends."

[dbackjon]

So Willingham's last class were rated 32 and 40, Weis' were both 8, and yet the offensive GENIUS has the those recruits in the worst offense in FBS...

While 32nd and 40th is not top twenty, it is still in the upper third. Listening to you and other Golden Homers, you'd think Willingham was out recruited by Central Michigan or something...

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

So Willingham's last class were rated 32 and 40, Weis' were both 8, and yet the offensive GENIUS has the those recruits in the worst offense in FBS...

While 32nd and 40th is not top twenty, it is still in the upper third. Listening to you and other Golden Homers, you'd think Willingham was out recruited by Central Michigan or something...

I'm a Notre Dame fan and i wrote the same thing a year ago. These recruits are not terrible players. The performance on the field is horrendous. Based on recruiting numbers ND would likely the talent level similiar to teams like Kentucky, Boise State, Arizona State, Kansas State, Texas Tech and so on. Those teams would not be getting killed like ND is against ND's opponents. I think there's 13 teams in the country that could have looked as pathetic as the Irish have and those teams have no where near the talent level as ND.

[ucdtim17]

Those classes are only as good as their ranking if all the players stay. And without the exact numbers from those two classes, I know there are something like 1/3 to 1/2 of the original classes left.

Notre Dame "haters," as a bunch, don't know as much about Notre Dame's football team as its fans - and ND has a much larger group of ignorant detractors than any other team. That's not an insult but it drives me nuts trying to discuss these things with some of you.

Once again, you can dislike Weis and like Ty (and once again, I doubt many of you know much more about either of them than sound bites from press conferences), but some (or all) of your arguments are ridiculous. I again refer to the Jason Kelly South Bend Tribune article from last week:

http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070914/BLOGS12/70914096&SearchID=73293873955379

[ucdtim17]

http://www.ndnation.com/geetar/2007/09/institutionalized-dumbness.html


As predicted, ND's 0-3 start has brought the Weis-to-Willingham wolves out in force. I can only imagine what it'd be like had Washington actually won against Ohio State.

Most of the hair-pulling is so much tripe and not worthy of reading, let alone commenting on. And let's be clear: the reason for that is not that I disagree with their point (although I do). The reason for that is those columns don't represent true opinion.

If the authors had covered ND and its football program for a long time, had insight into the situation, and were trying to communicate a closely-held belief on their part, I could respect that. But guys like Pat Forde and Bob Kravitz and most of the ABC/ESPN talking heads don't have closely-held opinions on the subject. They'll write just about anything about just about anyone within the boundaries of legality and (sometimes) taste if it gets them attention, eyeballs glued to their words, and advertising or other revenues for their papers and websites. Their mantra is it doesn't matter if they're saying bad things about you, just so they're saying things about you. Effectively, they've whored out their writing talent, and I really can't respect that.

Obviously a lot of people here and other other schools' boards getting their shots in now fall into this category.


riters I do respect like Terence Moore, Malcolm Moran, Jason Kelly, and others have written plenty of critical things about Notre Dame. Some I've agreed with, some I've not, but in all cases, I know they're writing from a position of trying to inform and educate the reader. Therein lies the difference. They're not trying to make their bones at Notre Dame's expense.

I'm more than willing to discuss arguments entered into in good faith. And I read one today that, while I have plenty of issues with its content, at least seems to be coming from that perspective. In today's Rocky Mountain News, John Campos discusses Weis' current situation and believes it to be an example of "institutionalized racism" rather than the overt variety. You can read the entire article here.

As I said, there are overt errors here with which I don't agree and which have been discussed in this space before. Charlie Weis has beaten plenty of "good opponents" -- it's not like he won 19 games in his first two years against the MAC. There's little mention of his first two seasons in the article, and Campos makes it sound like Weis has been bad since he got to ND, which isn't true. There's also no reference to the marked improvement in recruiting since Weis arrived. And I'd like at least one of the people taking on this subject to at least mention the fact that not only does ND graduate African American players at one of the highest rates in D1 football but also is the only D1 program to have African Americans in both coordinator positions, but I'm not holding my breath.

[ucdtim17]

Here's the Ty Willingham fact sheet, for those who feel he was wrongly terminated:

http://ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?b=faq;pid=20;d=this

[GoldandBlack]

Notre Dame "haters," as a bunch, don't know as much about Notre Dame's football team as its fans - and ND has a much larger group of ignorant detractors than any other team. That's not an insult but it drives me nuts trying to discuss these things with some of you.

Once again, you can dislike Weis and like Ty (and once again, I doubt many of you know much more about either of them than sound bites from press conferences), but some (or all) of your arguments are ridiculous. I again refer to the Jason Kelly South Bend Tribune article from last week:

http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070914/BLOGS12/70914096&SearchID=73293873955379

I'm not a Notre Dame "hater"- although I think, at best, the personnel situation with Willingham was very poorly handled, at least to public view, by the Notre Dame administration. Public perception does sometimes matter in the case of high-profile institutions.

I do know this appears to be one of the worst teams they've fielded in many years, unless there is a huge turnaround against very difficult competition. Whatever the reason for the problems might be, when you take that job, you're a saint if you win, and a demon if you lose. That's why Charlie makes the big bucks.

How much latitude the current coach will be given to correct the situation will depend on that same administration. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. It's one of those situations I'm glad I don't have to deal with as a devoted fan.

[ucdtim17]

I'm not a Notre Dame "hater"- although I think, at best, the personnel situation with Willingham was very poorly handled, at least to public view, by the Notre Dame administration. Public perception does sometimes matter in the case of high-profile institutions.


Yeah, because he's black. No one cared when ND canned Davie (as well they shouldn't have). The program was clearly not improving under Willingham so they canned him as well. If he had been white, no one would have cared. There wasn't anything special or underhanded about the way he was fired. And they he got a shot back at ND by not disagreeing with John Saunders when he was asked if his color had anything to do with him being fired and he knew damn well it hadn't. He could have taken the high road and done the honorable thing but he didn't. That is what pissed off ND fans more than anything. No one was going to wish him well after that

[GoldandBlack]

Yeah, because he's black. No one cared when ND canned Davie (as well they shouldn't have). The program was clearly not improving under Willingham so they canned him as well. If he had been white, no one would have cared. There wasn't anything special or underhanded about the way he was fired. And they he got a shot back at ND by not disagreeing with John Saunders when he was asked if his color had anything to do with him being fired and he knew damn well it hadn't. He could have taken the high road and done the honorable thing but he didn't. That is what pissed off ND fans more than anything. No one was going to wish him well after that

Not trying to debate that issue one way or the other- the media presents, and those not intimately involved with the program get an impression from the airwaves. That's the only point I was trying to make.

It's would certainly not the first example of that syndrome, if that's the case. I've got no horse in this race, just observations from outside.

[Marcus Garvey]

Please find where I absolved Weis (notice there is not a second "s" after the first "s" - it is really not that difficult of a name) of any and all blame.

No I believe you'll find I wrote several times how Willingham's sorry "recruiting" is no excuse for being as bad as ND is this year. That's on Weis, the coaching staff and the upperclassmen (those that are there) who should be leading this team

1)I wasn't quoting you at all.
2)I'll spell his name however I damn well please. xsmiley_wix But seriously, it's a simple misspelling. Are you that sensitive to their suckiness that you need to point it out?

I was refering to how a lot of ND apologists have been placing too much blame on the recruiting efforts of Ty Willingham.

For the record, yes I $#@!ing hate Notre Dame. I wouldn't piss on Jimmy Clausen if he were on fire. xnodx xnodx

[brownbear]

1)I wasn't quoting you at all.
2)I'll spell his name however I damn well please. xsmiley_wix But seriously, it's a simple misspelling. Are you that sensitive to their suckiness that you need to point it out?

I was refering to how a lot of ND apologists have been placing too much blame on the recruiting efforts of Ty Willingham.

For the record, yes I $#@!ing hate Notre Dame. I wouldn't piss on Jimmy Clausen if he were on fire. xnodx xnodx

I know it would save his life, but pissing on him would be great!

[Peems]

1)I wasn't quoting you at all.
2)I'll spell his name however I damn well please. xsmiley_wix But seriously, it's a simple misspelling. Are you that sensitive to their suckiness that you need to point it out?

I was refering to how a lot of ND apologists have been placing too much blame on the recruiting efforts of Ty Willingham.

For the record, yes I $#@!ing hate Notre Dame. I wouldn't piss on Jimmy Clausen if he were on fire. xnodx xnodx

I would just so he could continue his struggles under center. Also that would probably be the only time anyone from Notre Dame would be considered "HOT HOT HOT"

[tribe_pride]

Here's the Ty Willingham fact sheet, for those who feel he was wrongly terminated:

http://ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?b=faq;pid=20;d=this

I could care less either way but let's see how Weiss matches up in this fact sheet:

1. Weis has lost 5 games by at least 3 TDs (16.2% of games to Willingham's 14%)

2. So far this year, ND has been shutout once while giving up at least 30 once with many games to go. (WIllingham had that happen twice in 2003)

3. ND has lost by at least 30 2 times since Weis has taken over in 2+ years (happened to Willingham 3 times in 3 years)

4. 2 of the 21 point losses were to unranked opponents (When willingham did it, it was the first time since 1960)

5. If ND goes 4-5 over the remainder of the season, it will have tied Willingham's team as the worst 15 game stretch

6. Weis winner as of now with 8 21 point wins versus 5 21 point losses (Willingham with more 21 point losses than wins - may happen to Weis after year 3)

7. Losses were not as bad to USC as Willingham's so Weis will win this one through 3 years

8. Reshows number 3 in a different way

9. After starting 6-2 Weis has gone 13-7 (Willlngham 8-0, 13-15 - need to see end of year to compare fully)

10. Winning % after 3 years of each. Need to see after this year ends. Weis needs 3 wins this year to do better which will be close.



In the end, through 3 years assuming ND only wins about 3 games this year, Weis and Willingham will have been equally good (or bad) as the other. The difference is Willingham had his first year great and the next 2 mediocre while Weis had the first 2 great years and this year horrible assuming they continue on this trend.

[Zoo]

"How bad is Notre Dame?"

BAD.

In all seriousness, they are the only FBS school to not score a touchdown, I think.

[SuperJon]

How bad is Notre Dame? Charlie Weis has disconnected all of the tv's in their locker rooms and offices and disconnected the internet inside their building so that the players/coaches can't read about the negative stuff while there.

[ucdtim17]

In the end, through 3 years assuming ND only wins about 3 games this year, Weis and Willingham will have been equally good (or bad) as the other. The difference is Willingham had his first year great and the next 2 mediocre while Weis had the first 2 great years and this year horrible assuming they continue on this trend.

That is quite an assumption. Even accepting that assumption, Weis has two BCS bowl appearances to Willingham's zero. Weis has three top-10 recruiting classes in a row to Ty's two worst classes in modern ND history. There was no hope under Ty while there is hope under Charlie. There is a light at the end of the tunnel. That is why no one is calling for his head now.

[ucdtim17]

And all these charges (explicit and implied) of racism are both ridiculous and counterproductive. After seeing the response to the Ty firing at ND, I'd never advise an AD to take a chance on an up-and-coming black coach. It ties your hands - if they fail, you can't fire them because people will cry racism. Mandel said the same thing today. I normally think he's a smarmy little dweeb but he's right here


Meanwhile, do people have any idea how much harm they're causing black head coaches by leveling such baseless accusations? College football is in desperate need of more minority head coaches (there are only six black head coaches among the 119 Division I-A schools), but what incentive does a school have to hire a black head coach if, as in Notre Dame's case, it's going to be accused of racism if things don't work out?

For instance, it's pretty evident at this point Karl Dorrell is never going to lead UCLA to glory (not when his best team to date can't even score a touchdown against 0-2 Utah), but will UCLA be charged with racism if it doesn't give Dorrell the same seven years as white predecessor Bob Toledo? I sure hope not.

[tribe_pride]

That is quite an assumption. Even accepting that assumption, Weis has two BCS bowl appearances to Willingham's zero. Weis has three top-10 recruiting classes in a row to Ty's two worst classes in modern ND history. There was no hope under Ty while there is hope under Charlie. There is a light at the end of the tunnel. That is why no one is calling for his head now.

Agreed that it is an assumption on how many wins they will have. My actual guess is they will go 4-8 this year but having them win only 3 games (3-6 in the rest of their games) is not out of the possibilities nor is the possibility that they could be 0-8 when they hit the Navy game. They have Mich St., at Purdue, at UCLA, BC and USC before that game. They need to play a lot better than they have to get a win in any of these games. Last 4 games are easiest games (Navy, Air Force, Duke and Stanford).

All I meant by my post (and you quoted only a small part of what I said and decided to criticize the part which was my analysis of the link you had posted but using Weis' stats instead of Willingham) is that you can put information that will make anyone look bad and some of the things I put down did not involve any assumptions. We'll see how things finish up after this year.

Remember I could care less who the coach is. I just think if you are going to use certain stats to criticize one coach, don't ignore the same stats when they are used to criticize the coach you like.

[ucdtim17]

All I meant by my post (and you quoted only a small part of what I said and decided to criticize the part which was my analysis of the link you had posted but using Weis' stats instead of Willingham) is that you can put information that will make anyone look bad and some of the things I put down did not involve any assumptions. We'll see how things finish up after this year.

Remember I could care less who the coach is. I just think if you are going to use certain stats to criticize one coach, don't ignore the same stats when they are used to criticize the coach you like.

I'm not ignoring Weis' record. He's 19-9. I'm not going to go through his hypothetical future record point by point compared with Ty's actual past record. I took your last paragraph which summed up your post and responded to that. No matter what happens, Weis has already done plenty more than Willingham did to deserve a 4th year.

[brownbear]

Did anyone notice ESPN's Bottom 10 ranking put Notre Dame at number 1 in front of teams like FIU, Temple, and Rice! Marshall was also ranked at number 6.

[Marcus Garvey]

As much as I hate Notre Dame, I never once thought race was a factor in firing Ty Willingham. Rather, with coaches salaries being so high, there's a lot more pressure to win, especially at the "marquee" schools such as 'Bama, Texas, ND, Ohio St., etc...

Kevin White (ND's AD) made a bad decision based upon pressure from boosters. He followed that up nearly a year later by an even worse decision to give Weis a huge contract extension based primarily on the fact that Notre Dame almsot beat USC. I can't wait see Weis' contract after he actually beats a good opponent! xnodx

That contract was ill-advised in that it gave credence to the unwarranted racism charges, and 7 or 8 games is not a sufficient evaluation time for any head coach.

[Go...gate]

Hammered again, this time by a pretty crappy Michigan State club, 31-14.

At least they finally scored an offensive touchdown.

[Eyes of Old Main]

Lots of tarnish on the Golden Dome.

But at 0-4, they may FINALLY be out of the National Championship picture considering all the pro-ND bias that exists.

[SunCoastBlueHen]

The boys with the golden domes are getting spanked again...

xlolx xlolx xlolx

[brownbear]

Notre Dame loses 33-19, goes 0-5!!

[roberb7]

It's going to get better. The Domers have a chance of getting by UCLA next week, but after that, it's a sure loss to Boston College, then they play USC-West.

[Go...gate]

No way they beat UCLA. They may beat one of the military academies or Duke, but that is it.

[roberb7]

No way they beat UCLA.

All I said was, they have a chance of getting by UCLA.



They may beat one of the military academies or Duke, but that is it.

One problem is, they don't play Army this year. Navy and Duke haven't been that bad. Their best chance for a win is probably Duke or Stanford, and they have to play Stanford in Palo Alto.

[Go...gate]

All I said was, they have a chance of getting by UCLA.



One problem is, they don't play Army this year. Navy and Duke haven't been that bad. Their best chance for a win is probably Duke or Stanford, and they have to play Stanford in Palo Alto.


Right. There is a legitimate chance of an 0-12 season here. I love Notre Dame and have rooted for for decades, but one can't buy that pablum that they are getting better. The program is struggling desperately.

[Marcus Garvey]

Right. There is a legitimate chance of an 0-12 season here. I love Notre Dame and have rooted for for decades, but one can't buy that pablum that they are getting better. The program is struggling desperately.

Well, if you're a long time fan, check out the updates at my new 2nd favorite website:

NDSPN: The Worldwide Leader in Undeserved Hype (http://www.ndspn.com)

My favorite part is the "link," well 2 links actually, regarding their 43 game win streak against Navy. xlolx

[ucdtim17]

Of course they're getting better. They had a ton of yards rushing against MSU and a ton passing against PU. Both QB's looked pretty good and the freshman receivers are looking as good as they were supposed to be. OF course ND has a chance to win at UCLA. Azusa Pacific would have a chance against a Dorrell team

[Eyes of Old Main]

The longer they keep losing, the better, I say.

[brownbear]

The headline in the top corner: "Will he live to see it" referring to him playing in the NFL.

or:

Casey Clausen: "Dad always liked me better"

[BlueHen86]

Well, if you're a long time fan, check out the updates at my new 2nd favorite website:

NDSPN: The Worldwide Leader in Undeserved Hype (http://www.ndspn.com)

My favorite part is the "link," well 2 links actually, regarding their 43 game win streak against Navy. xlolx
That website is awesome.

Mt favorite "links":
Notre Dame falls out of the polls! | See entire Indiana Highschool Football Poll
xlolx