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April 12th, 2022, 04:46 PM
Fall 2021 Boise had 3068 graduate students and 20,145 degree seeking undergrads though they had 25,829 total undergrads paying tutiont (I'm assuming certificate/continuing ed programs)
Idaho, in fall 2021, reported 11,303 students with 1,947 of those being grad students.
As I said, Boise is literally double the size of Idaho. From the start that is why Boise was the horse they all picked to ride with.
You're (royal) are over valuing the B12 importance on Academics. This isn't the B10 or P12 where that clearly is a vital part of it. The B12 has the lowest "school rankings" of any major conference, especially on the public side. The publics in the B12 average in the 180s in the US News rankings - talk about politics being why things happen why they do, these rankings are near the top of that list. Would boise be the lowest ranked? Sure. Let's not pretend like Boise is a JUCO trying to join the Ivy's here. Iowa State, Texas Tech, Okie State, WVU, and Kansas State, Cinci, Houston, and UCF would all REALLY struggle to pass the "academic muster" test of the B10 or P12. And to be honest if it wasn't for Kansas's basketball program there would be cases made that their overall university academic profile isn't great in terms of fitting with the B10. However, as you realized, warts are able to be overlooked when money and athletic profile can be added and made.
Other than being higher ranked by US News there is literally nothing that Idaho could offer any conference that Boise can't do, and do so at double to quadruple the level.
As far as, Idaho versus BSU. I think Idaho is a peer school with MSU, NDSU and SDSU (along with USD/UND). They belong with that group. If that is the "New G5" or FCS tbd I think that is the right place. I think BSU is academically bottom tier FBS with Liberty and athletically middle of the road P5. It is far from a perfect choice for P5. It's up to the Big XII if they are willing to look the other way on academics. I listen to Sic'm 365 (Baylor - radio) and they have had a number of consultants on the program talking about the expansion phase II for the Big XII. The last program they had talking about this topic had evaluated 20 G5 schools (including Phase I schools to help baseline). They had the following:
Qualified: BYU (selected), Rice, Cin (selected), Temple, AF, SMU, Navy, USF, Army, Tulane, UH (selected) and UCF (selected).
Near Par: Buffalo, SDSU, CSU, Tulsa, Miami
Not on Par: Memphis, UNLV, Wyoming, ECU, BSU, UNM, N. Ill, Liberty.
If you go to the Sic'M site: The discussion was with Altimore Collins LLC. - they put together a 240 page deck called - "Finding a Perfect Fit for the Big XII" - Data-driven expansion target analysis with strategic perspectives and insights for long-term conference success - 30 Sep 2021. Not sure I agree with all the comments but it was interesting discussion.
As far as enrollment numbers we have been passing back and forth.. I think both sets are correct: One is FT plus PT and other is simply FT. It shows that BSU is a commuter school, which most people would agree on. Sorry about the drift on UI/BSU - Big XII.
Idaho, in fall 2021, reported 11,303 students with 1,947 of those being grad students.
As I said, Boise is literally double the size of Idaho. From the start that is why Boise was the horse they all picked to ride with.
You're (royal) are over valuing the B12 importance on Academics. This isn't the B10 or P12 where that clearly is a vital part of it. The B12 has the lowest "school rankings" of any major conference, especially on the public side. The publics in the B12 average in the 180s in the US News rankings - talk about politics being why things happen why they do, these rankings are near the top of that list. Would boise be the lowest ranked? Sure. Let's not pretend like Boise is a JUCO trying to join the Ivy's here. Iowa State, Texas Tech, Okie State, WVU, and Kansas State, Cinci, Houston, and UCF would all REALLY struggle to pass the "academic muster" test of the B10 or P12. And to be honest if it wasn't for Kansas's basketball program there would be cases made that their overall university academic profile isn't great in terms of fitting with the B10. However, as you realized, warts are able to be overlooked when money and athletic profile can be added and made.
Other than being higher ranked by US News there is literally nothing that Idaho could offer any conference that Boise can't do, and do so at double to quadruple the level.
As far as, Idaho versus BSU. I think Idaho is a peer school with MSU, NDSU and SDSU (along with USD/UND). They belong with that group. If that is the "New G5" or FCS tbd I think that is the right place. I think BSU is academically bottom tier FBS with Liberty and athletically middle of the road P5. It is far from a perfect choice for P5. It's up to the Big XII if they are willing to look the other way on academics. I listen to Sic'm 365 (Baylor - radio) and they have had a number of consultants on the program talking about the expansion phase II for the Big XII. The last program they had talking about this topic had evaluated 20 G5 schools (including Phase I schools to help baseline). They had the following:
Qualified: BYU (selected), Rice, Cin (selected), Temple, AF, SMU, Navy, USF, Army, Tulane, UH (selected) and UCF (selected).
Near Par: Buffalo, SDSU, CSU, Tulsa, Miami
Not on Par: Memphis, UNLV, Wyoming, ECU, BSU, UNM, N. Ill, Liberty.
If you go to the Sic'M site: The discussion was with Altimore Collins LLC. - they put together a 240 page deck called - "Finding a Perfect Fit for the Big XII" - Data-driven expansion target analysis with strategic perspectives and insights for long-term conference success - 30 Sep 2021. Not sure I agree with all the comments but it was interesting discussion.
As far as enrollment numbers we have been passing back and forth.. I think both sets are correct: One is FT plus PT and other is simply FT. It shows that BSU is a commuter school, which most people would agree on. Sorry about the drift on UI/BSU - Big XII.