The MVC is turning into the CAA 2.0

[mvfcfan]

CAA had George Mason and VCU go to the Final 4. Both bailed. The MVC had Wichita St and Loyola go to the Final 4. Now both have bailed.

It appears that the MVC is going to backfill with Belmont (already added), Murray St, UIC, UT Arlington, and maybe Kansas City. Might have some relevant years once in a while with Murray and Belmont, but the MVC is definitely trending the wrong way in hoops. UIC, UTA, and UMKC would be less than impressive to put it nicely.

In football the CAA and the MVFC will remain top leagues because of schools that are not in their respective leagues for all sports, while basketball in both will likely soon be afterthoughts.

Thoughts?

[Sitting Bull]

More often then not, these schools “move up” to irrelevance.

For the leagues, CAA and MVC, there are always new candidates. Agree that football is the core strength of both.

[ysubigred]

CAA had George Mason and VCU go to the Final 4. Both bailed. The MVC had Wichita St and Loyola go to the Final 4. Now both have bailed.

It appears that the MVC is going to backfill with Belmont (already added), Murray St, UIC, UT Arlington, and maybe Kansas City. Might have some relevant years once in a while with Murray and Belmont, but the MVC is definitely trending the wrong way in hoops. UIC, UTA, and UMKC would be less than impressive to put it nicely.

In football the CAA and the MVFC will remain top leagues because of schools that are not in their respective leagues for all sports, while basketball in both will likely soon be afterthoughts.

Thoughts?

Ummmm.. If the ball is round it's probably not a sport.. just sayin :D

[nodak651]

CAA had George Mason and VCU go to the Final 4. Both bailed. The MVC had Wichita St and Loyola go to the Final 4. Now both have bailed.

It appears that the MVC is going to backfill with Belmont (already added), Murray St, UIC, UT Arlington, and maybe Kansas City. Might have some relevant years once in a while with Murray and Belmont, but the MVC is definitely trending the wrong way in hoops. UIC, UTA, and UMKC would be less than impressive to put it nicely.

In football the CAA and the MVFC will remain top leagues because of schools that are not in their respective leagues for all sports, while basketball in both will likely soon be afterthoughts.

Thoughts?

I'm patiently waiting (hoping) for the MVC to split, much like the Big East.

Are the MVC presidents happy with the conference right now?

[Bisonator]

An all sports conference of NDSU, UND, SDSU, USD, UNI, ISUr, ISUb, SIU & MSU would be legit as ****..........so it'll never happen

[mvfcfan]

An all sports conference of NDSU, UND, SDSU, USD, UNI, ISUr, ISUb, SIU & MSU would be legit as ****..........so it'll never happen

That's my dream conference right there.

^^The MVC is overdue for a split in my view. I'm wondering why the public schools seem so willing to sit around and put up with the private schools' nonsense.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Ummmm.. If the ball is round it's probably not a sport.. just sayin :D

Exactly, that one is pretty basic.

MVFC goes on the FCSD board. MVC and any basketball for that matter does not.

[SDFS]

The talk has been coming from Summit VFC school fan bases for years. A younger me would go find all of them in AGS and link them. They littered threads for years every time SLF came up, just like they did in this thread.

The Summit should have passed the Valley 4 times by now based on the sky is falling predictions the last 12 years, going back to when USD was added and a year later Creighton went big east. Then when WSU left for the AAC in 2017. Then Loyola leaving was proof and they are replaced by teams with longer histories of being good than Loyola.

The irony of your take though, not from you really but general irony from things I’ve seen including in this thread, is that keeping UMKC, ORU, and UNO is a reason the summit is on the way up to over take the Valley.

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I read Clenz's comment the other day and I thought it would be interesting to take a look at the Conference RPI as a 4-year rolling average starting in 2007. This would correspond to the timeframe that xDSU joined the Summit League. I included the following conferences Horizon League, OVC, MVC, MAC and Summit League because the conference footprints overlap. The pecking order appears to be MVC>HL>OVC-SL. The graphic has a table on the LHS that has the addition and subtractions from each conference. I then plotted a +/- on the chart by the time series for the conference to signify a change in membership.

Observations:

- In 2007 you had three groupings:
1) MVC (6.75) by itself
2) HL and MAC around 15
3) OVC and SL low 20's (22/23).

In 2020, you have two groups:
1) MAC/MVC (10.3/11.0) are right around top 10 conferences. You see a steady rise by MAC over the last 10 years and they have been a peer with the MVC for the last 5 years.
2) HL is now peers with SL and OVC in the lower 20s.

Conference Observations:

MAC - Very stable membership. No changes in basketball for the last 15 years and the conference has steadily climbed the rankings. I am not sure what is driving the change. They are a peer with the MVC at this point.

MVC - They have a fairly stable membership group. I was surprised to see the RPI rankings in the 6/7 range in the early 2000's. They were ranked above the B-12 and Pac 12 on multiple occasions. After Creighton left the rankings dipped slightly toward 10 and they have not been ranked in the top 10 since Wichita State left the conference. They have been very steady in the 12 to 13 range. It has been very impressive to see how the MVC has maintain its status. To be honest, I sometimes wonder if the slight drop by MVC is more tied to money differential between FBS and FCS schools. And the G5 schools getting some juice because of the FBS-P5 association.

HL - The HL was steadily climbing in the late 2000's and then Butler left. Post Butler, the HL has seen a steady drop down into the low 20's range. I am not sure what the final range will be for the conference. It is hard to get a read on the conference - they have lost Valparaiso, Loyola, Bulter and UI-Chicago during this timeframe. I am not sure who they can add to turn things around.

OVC - They have been the steadiest conference throughout this entire timeframe. But with the recent losses last year and this year you will see a significant drop in the near future.

SL - First thing, wow 90% conference membership turnover only WIU remains and xDSU are the next longest tenured schools in the conference. As far as rankings go, they had a steady improvement from 2009 (25) to 2018 (17/18 - range). But since then, they have slipped back into the low 20's range. Was the rise an addition by subtraction with SUU, Centenary, ORU, and UMKC leaving. Or the dip because, Omaha, DU, UMKC and UND were added. Hard to tell at this point.

Anyway, I thought it might be interesting to share with others.

NOTE: I know the link is not working... UPDATE: I think I have it fixed. Let me know if you cannot get the link to work.