2021 Fall Quarterfinal: #7 East Tennessee State @ #2 North Dakota State

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

NDSU's DL was walking the ETSU OL back on every play. The NDSU OL is likely going to dominate the LOS too...

[Bison56]

No reason to stop running inside. Keep it simple stupid, it's working.

[Christiank22]

This game is gonna be a slaughtering. ETSU looks small and out matched

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

This game is gonna be a slaughtering. ETSU looks small and out matched

Their QB is going to get killed....

[BNATION]

I’m still just completely underwhelmed with NDSU’s offense.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

What a brutal mistake by ETSU. NDSU should literally run it every play....

[Christiank22]

ETSU players have zero IQ I see… what was that guy thinking?

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I’m still just completely underwhelmed with NDSU’s offense.

For some reason they're going Spurrier Fun 'N Gun....

[ksu_owls]

Is NDSU banged up/sick or something?

[Gil Dobie]

Bison being too cute, need to get back to basics.

[ETSUfan1]

Is NDSU banged up/sick or something?

Must be NDSU

[FUBeAR]

Rodomontade flow quite solid, FUBeAR sees.

[ksu_owls]

Must be NDSU
Didn’t mean it like that. I obviously know ETSU is good. Just expected the bison to not stall out in the 1Q.

[FUBeAR]

Was that A-Gap power ETSU just ran for big gain? LOL

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

0-0 End 1Q

A 15 minute win for ETSU! I have no idea what NDSU is doing in offense...

[HootyHoo]

ETSU looking good. This is worst case for the Bison. Now the Bucs can lean on their stable of stud RBs. Cmon Bucs. Show them how we play down South. Give them a taste of that Southern Speed.

[BlackNGoldR3v0lut10n]

East Tennessee State 0, North Dakota State 0 End Ist

Honk if any of you saw that coming.

[POD Knows]

Didn’t mean it like that. I obviously know ETSU is good. Just expected the bison to not stall out in the 1Q.
ETSU showed up to play. Bison O has been I consistent all year but the ETSU is making plays. That drop by our TE was big.

[FUBeAR]

ETSU looking good. This is worst case for the Bison. Now the Bucs can lean on their stable of stud RBs. Cmon Bucs. Show them how we play down South. Give them a taste of that Southern Speed.
Atta guy!

FUBeAR loves him some HootyHoo!

[Gil Dobie]

0-0 End 1Q

A 15 minute win for ETSU! I have no idea what NDSU is doing in offense...

I've seen it before, coaching fart.

[ksu_owls]

It’s early, but I am cheering for ETSU so it’s nice to see the bison so far seem to be normal humans and not the advertised gods of football

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

ETSU with a fake punt! Wow!

[Gil Dobie]

ETSU is too good too be cute with.

[ysubigred]

Bammmm!

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[ksu_owls]

Holmes is fun to watch when your team isn’t lined up against him!

[FUBeAR]

FUBeAR seeing some bad body language on the NDSU D.

Need to do their ‘patented’ rolling of the front players.

[HootyHoo]

Atta guy!

FUBeAR loves him some HootyHoo!

Let’s go Fubear! Look at the Bucs with that fake punt. The Bison thought they were playing a Big Sky opponent this week. Southern Sophisticants such as ourselves have to stick together.

[ksu_owls]

Lots of empty seats it looks like….

[ElCid]

East Tennessee State 0, North Dakota State 0 End Ist

Honk if any of you saw that coming.

Honk.

Still A LOT of game left, but I knew it would not be a blow out early. Teams are still feeling each other out. And ETSU is better than most Bison fans realized.

[Christiank22]

ETSU looks like one of the worst coached teams
I’ve seen. Some of these decision and mistakes are mind boggling. Why would you try a 55 yard field goal that was rushed because you don’t know how to sub? Wtf lmao

[FUBeAR]

Let’s go Fubear! Look at the Bucs with that fake punt. The Bison thought they were playing a Big Sky opponent this week. Southern Sophisticants such as ourselves have to stick together.
LOL - Big LIE

5 Teams
4 At-Large Bids
3 Top 8 seeds
Results so far…

…4 Teams OUT & exactly 1 win over a Team from any other Conf. that finished their season >.500.


BTW - #19 WIDE A$$ OPEN - totally uncovered - too bad #2 didn’t see him.

[Christiank22]

Lots of empty seats it looks like….

There is. No one knows who ETSU is. We’re 26 point favorites. It’s a scorching 29 degrees outside. People are enjoying the nice weather

[Gil Dobie]

Hope the fake punt some eyes.

[ysubigred]

LOL - Big LIE

#19 WIDE A$$ OPEN - totally uncovered - too bad #2 didn’t see him.Not impressed with #2.. all that effort for a missed 55 yard FG attempt.

This is where the Bison pounce bye bye ETSU.

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[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Not impressed with #2.. all that effort for a missed 55 yard FG attempt.

This is where the Bison pounce bye bye ETSU.

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I agree. ETSU is hanging in with smoke and mirrors imo. Bison will take this over physically...

[deez_na]

Run all game long and this game is over.

[HootyHoo]

Big drive for ETSU’s D. Need to hold them to 3 here.

[dewey]

Big run by Williams! Come on Bison!

Dewey

[Bison56]

Keep running at them.

[Christiank22]

And that’s game. Start the plane ETSU

[ysubigred]

I agree. ETSU is hanging in with smoke and mirrors imo. Bison will take this over physically...NDSU is 1FBS in 1FCS clothing.. 3 to 4 deep in the trenches.. no let down when the subs come in.. the guys calling this noticed it also..

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[Bison56]

TD Bison!!!!!!

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

TD Bison! ETSU is in deep doodie....

[BNATION]

That 2 point play was about as dumb as Brandon.

[dewey]

Touchdown Bison! Big drive for NDSU!

6-0 NDSU 704 to go 2nd quarter.

Dewey

[Gil Dobie]

Nice drive

[Bison56]

That 2 point play was about as dumb as Brandon.

It was, but now others have to prepare for it.

I would have preferred the kick.

[POD Knows]

****ing going for 2. **** **** ****. Yea good. Maybe they won’t do that again.

[ksu_owls]

It was, but now others have to prepare for it.
I don’t think ETSU had to prepare for it?

[HootyHoo]

Who the heck do the Bison think they are with 2 point play. Hooty revokes the TD and declares the Bucs have only given up two field goals instead of a TD. Cmon Sanders, give the damn ball to Homes. Wheel Route!!!

[Bison56]

I don’t think ETSU had to prepare for it?

You are a genius.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

3 and out for ETSU...ugh oh....

[WeAreThePride]

TD Bison! ETSU is in deep doodie....
Smoothbrain Roehl will go back to his retarded passing scheme.

[dewey]

Run the ball Bison! ETSU can't stop it. Nice 3 and out by the Bison D.

Dewey

[HootyHoo]

Sanders is an idiot. If KSU had Holmes he would touch the ball 50 times per game. Awful play calling, that has to be two runs there.

[deez_na]

Smoothbrain Roehl will go back to his retarded passing scheme.
Exactly, they can’t stop the run but we can stop ourselves by going and throwing the ball again.

[Bison56]

Smoothbrain Roehl will go back to his retarded passing scheme.

That's what I am expecting.

[BNATION]

NDSU will win this game. Enjoy it, I think it ends here. Unfortunate because I would much rather play NDSU “run only”, than JMU “pass only”.

[Christiank22]

NDSU will win this game. Enjoy it, I think it ends here. Unfortunate because I would much rather play NDSU “run only”, than JMU “pass only”.

Huh

[deez_na]

NDSU will win this game. Enjoy it, I think it ends here. Unfortunate because I would much rather play NDSU “run only”, than JMU “pass only”.
We win but it ends here?

[BNATION]

This will be the last win of the year….

[Christiank22]

We win but it ends here?

I think he means JMU will beat us. Which he forgets we likely won’t have 1000 people go out with injury and you would hope there won’t be as much ref ball…


And JMU is overrated

[dewey]

This will be the last win of the year….

For ETSU?

Dewey

[Christiank22]

This will be the last win of the year….

Maybe for Sammy? Although you almost lost to incarnate word so I wouldn’t be too comfortable playing montana state

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

NDSU knocking on the door again!

[BNATION]

I think he means JMU will beat us. Which he forgets we likely won’t have 1000 people go out with injury and you would hope there won’t be as much ref ball…


And JMU is overrated

I think JMU is overrated as well. But looking at styles I think their defense will have a much easier time stopping y’all than y’all stopping them. JMO. Been wrong a lot.

[dewey]

Nice swing screen to Bussey setting up NDSU in the ETSU red zone.

Come on Bison!

Dewey

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

TD Bison...ETSU fought hard but they don't have the horses at the LOS to truly compete...

'Nova and SDSU in an hour....

[dewey]

I like the 2 QB wrinkle NDSU is using.

Touchdown Bison (T. Williams).

Dewey

[HootyHoo]

Hooty likes the Bison running the option. You guys should do that more often.

[BNATION]

Maybe for Sammy? Although you almost lost to incarnate word so I wouldn’t be too comfortable playing montana state

UIW would cause a lot of teams issues. They have one of the top O’s in FCS. And that’s why we play the games. Would rather play NDSU than UIW. For how we match up

[dewey]

Hooty likes the Bison running the option. You guys should do that more often.

In the 80's and 90's NDSU ran the veer all of the time. Won 8 national titles during those days in Division 2.

If you search for 'NDSU veer option" you will see quite a few YouTube videos.

Dewey

[Christiank22]

UIW would cause a lot of teams issues. They have one of the top O’s in FCS. And that’s why we play the games. Would rather play NDSU than UIW. For how we match up

This is comical lmao

[HootyHoo]

In the 80's and 90's NDSU ran the veer all of the time. Won 8 national titles during those days in Division 2.

Dewey

That makes sense. I wouldn’t run the Veer with your current personnel. I’d go with the Power I option ala 1990’s Nebraska. Go get you a Tommy Frazier and crush people’s souls.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Ouch....that looked like a weird tweek of the knee....

[deez_na]

Well Walter Payton finalist with 13 rushing yards at the half. Go bison!

[Christiank22]

Well Walter Payton finalist with 13 rushing yards at the half. Go bison!

BuT sOuThErN sPeEd

[BlackNGoldR3v0lut10n]

North Dakota St 13, East Tennessee St 0 Half

tough quarter for the Bucs, here's hoping they can recover

[Preferred Walk-On]

This will be the last win of the year….

Nah, Sam’s last win was last week.

[BNATION]

Nah, Sam’s last win was last week.
Care to make an avatar wager? I’m 4-1 over the years. Just FYI.

[ysubigred]

UIW would cause a lot of teams issues. They have one of the top O’s in FCS. And that’s why we play the games. Would rather play NDSU than UIW. For how we match upI could see the score of that game now...

121-120 6 OT's

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[POD Knows]

Bison better get up by3 or 4 scores here. Need to score on the opening possession. Most teams would quit then. ETSU doesn’t seem to built from that cloth however.

[BNATION]

Bison better get up by3 or 4 scores here. Need to score on the opening possession. Most teams would quit then. ETSU doesn’t seem to built from that cloth however.
It’s over POD….

[POD Knows]

This NDSU receiving corp without Watson sucks ass

[POD Knows]

It’s over POD….
Yea. If our ****ing WR catches a pass and the bison score on that drive maybe.

[Bison56]

Should have been caught, also can't have a false start on 3rd and short.

[BNATION]

Yea. If our ****ing WR catches a pass and the bison score on that drive maybe.
What’s up with Watson. Kid is a game changer.

[ysubigred]

LOL! Tackled by the punter. He'd be running laps at the next practice... [emoji1787]

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[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I think ETSU stopped him!

#23 made a helluva job stopping his momentum...

[Christiank22]

What’s up with Watson. Kid is a game changer.

Hamstring

[HootyHoo]

Whatever you do Sanders. Don’t give the ball to the NFL RB. Ffs how can you be so stupid?

[BNATION]

Hope he’s back for JMU. He’s got a scary amount of talent. Next level kid for sure.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

But...you're not winning at the Fargo Dome with this QB. He looks scared to death out there....

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

TD Bison! That's officially the ball game.

This might get real ugly late with ETSU having to throw the ball. Their QB is doomed....

[ysubigred]

But...you're not winning at the Fargo Dome with this QB. He looks scared to death out there....Hair got in his eyes when he released that pass [emoji1787]

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[UNHWildcat18]

Wait didn’t ETSU stop them on 4th down? What did I miss in 60 seconds lol?

[Christiank22]

Wait didn’t ETSU stop them on 4th down? What did I miss in 60 seconds lol?

ETSU bad, NDSU picks em off and scores 3 plays later.

[KPSUL]

This game is looking a lot like last evening's, minus two long field goals

[ysubigred]

This game is looking a lot like last evening's, minus two long field goalsNDSU vs JMU.. 3 - 2 4 OT's [emoji2962]

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[BNATION]

ETSU QB sucks.

[Gil Dobie]

ETSU has a nice play to 86 a few times today.

[Christiank22]

Bad call. ETSU touched it first but whatever it won’t matter

[Christiank22]

ETSU Qb might be the worst I’ve ever seen NDSU play against

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

ETSU Qb might be the worst I’ve ever seen NDSU play against

He looks like a D3 Doug Flutie....

[POD Knows]

ETSU gets 3. Freaking joke.

[BlackNGoldR3v0lut10n]

And ETSU finally gets on the board with a Keltner 40 yd FG

North Dakota State 20, East Tennessee State 3 1:11 3rd

[POD Knows]

****ing damn it. Huge momentum switch. ****.

[BlackNGoldR3v0lut10n]

And Methuselah sacks Cam Miller for a 10 yd loss

[Christiank22]

****ing damn it. Huge momentum switch. ****.

No it’s not. This game is over.

[deez_na]

Cam, use your head buddy

[BlackNGoldR3v0lut10n]

North Dakota State 20, East Tennessee State 3 End 3rd

If the Bucs need that fourth quarter magic, it is now.

[Christiank22]

Good game ETSU. If you had a Qb you’d be a solid team

[deez_na]

Needed more from Walter Payton for them to keep this game close.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Good game ETSU. If you had a Qb you’d be a solid team

Still a legit Top 10 team with a D3 QB! They showed themselves well for 4 quarters! Great sign for ETSU and the SoCon moving forward....

[Christiank22]

ETSU players getting a little chippy. Can’t handle the L well.

[ysubigred]

"IF" NDSU actually played a good game this would have been ugly. Won't get away with this half asses approach vs JMU..

xtwocentsx

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[HootyHoo]

Still a legit Top 10 team with a D3 QB! They showed themselves well for 4 quarters! Great sign for ETSU and the SoCon moving forward....

Wow. If you guys are impressed with this performance. Just wait until the Owls make the trip north.

[Bison56]

"IF" NDSU actually played a good game this would have been ugly. Won't get away with this half asses approach vs JMU..

xtwocentsx

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Going to take a perfect game to beat the JMU dynasty.

[Gil Dobie]

There's your dagger!

[JSUSoutherner]

Wow. If you guys are impressed with this performance. Just wait until the Owls make the trip north.
ETSU scored 3 more points than KSU would have.

[Pards Rule]

Congrats NDSU on 27-3 win.

[HootyHoo]

ETSU scored 3 more points than KSU would have.

I guess we will never know. KSU definitely would have lost. The Bison are so dominant along the lines of scrimmage. But I’m pretty sure the Owls have never been shut out. Congrats to the Bucs on a great season. The Dukes vs the Bison will be a fun matchup.

[Drblankstare]

It’s weird to say considering how NDSU has dominated the game, but they looked lackadaisical pretty much the whole game. Everyone looks bored. Better have some energy next week

[skinny_uncle]

If defense wins titles, the Bison look to be in good shape.

[BlackNGoldR3v0lut10n]

North Dakota State 27, East Tennessee State 3 Final

ETSU had nothing to be ashamed of this season Nothing. Congratulations to North Dakota State on their win and I wish them nothing but the best the rest of the way.

[TheKingpin28]

So, FUBEAR, now do you see why I choose the NDSU D-Line any day of the week?

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[gofurman]

I guess we will never know. KSU definitely would have lost. The Bison are so dominant along the lines of scrimmage. But I’m pretty sure the Owls have never been shut out. Congrats to the Bucs on a great season. The Dukes vs the Bison will be a fun matchup.

in any case. ETSU and KSU are good quality teams. I don’t think either can compete with NDSU as said above. NDSU is LOS - old school beat you up and push you around.

Imo the SoCon is moderately deep. Again ETSU BARELY - BARELY - survived Furman (last play), Mercer, and several others !! Just like the amazing comeback vs KSU. They weren’t some dominant team within the SoCon.

A sincere congrats to NDSU. Should be a great game next week

[FUBeAR]

Just about as expected.

Hoped #2 would have played more like he did against Mercer…probably a once in a lifetime game for him though.

Would have liked to see ETSU run some stretch/outside zone and/or toss sweep, but understanding Sanders playcalling would take someone a lot smarter than FUBeAR. #1 looked a bit sluggish…might have a bit of a ‘tweak’ somewhere which could help explain why they never tried to get him to the perimeter. Didn’t vs. KSU either …and might explain why they ‘put him on ice’ for a quarter last week also. Those plays have been staples for them/him all season, but only ran 1x for a very good gain vs. KSU.

Good to know there are 5 or 6 SoCon Teams that are the equal of ETSU (w/better QB’s in most cases). Just need to raise the bar a bit and do a much better job of scheduling themselves into the Playoffs. Hate that SoCon only gets 1 bite at the apple vs. 5 or 6, but it is what it is.

[FUBeAR]

So, FUBEAR, now do you see why I choose the NDSU D-Line any day of the week?

Sent from my SM-J727V using TapatalkNever said otherwise. Love everything about NDSU’s OLine play.

Reading comprehension needs to be emphasized much more heavily in the NDAK school systems.

[JSUSoutherner]

Just about as expected.

Hoped #2 would have played more like he did against Mercer…probably a once in a lifetime game for him though.

Would have liked to see ETSU run some stretch/outside zone and/or toss sweep, but understanding Sanders playcalling would take someone a lot smarter than FUBeAR. #1 looked a bit sluggish…might have a bit of a ‘tweak’ somewhere which could help explain why they never tried to get him to the perimeter. Didn’t vs. KSU either …and might explain why they ‘put him on ice’ for a quarter last week also. Those plays have been staples for them/him all season, but only ran 1x for a very good gain vs. KSU.

Good to know there are 5 or 6 SoCon Teams that are the equal of ETSU (w/better QB’s in most cases). Just need to raise the bar a bit and do a much better job of scheduling themselves into the Playoffs. Hate that SoCon only gets 1 bite at the apple vs. 5 or 6, but it is what it is.


Could have had Mercer in but we just had ​to give aa spot to FAMU and the Pioneer League.

[TheKingpin28]

Never said otherwise. Love everything about NDSU’s OLine play.

Reading comprehension needs to be emphasized much more heavily in the NDAK school systems.Clearly you need reading comprehension since I said D-Line, not O-Line. Quay Holmes was not as good as advertised. I think he could be good if they had a line that wasn't getting pushed around so often.

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[Winindy]

Could have had Mercer in but we just had ​to give aa spot to FAMU and the Pioneer League.6 D1 wins for Mercer. Don't schedule a non counter. At least FAMU had 8 wins against D1 teams, regardless of their talent level. If your AD is scheduling non counter because they can't find a game, you need a new AD. There are a lot of home and homes out there.

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[FUBeAR]

Clearly you need reading comprehension since I said D-Line, not O-Line. Quay Holmes was not as good as advertised. I think he could be good if they had a line that wasn't getting pushed around so often.

Sent from my SM-J727V using TapatalkLOL - on my phone…visual acuity, not mental/comprehension issue.

Yeah - They’re solidly very good and the depth is their biggest asset. ETSU’s OL is not great…just average & not all the type of OLmen FUBeAR likes to see/Coach.

See previous post - I think Holmes is tweaked somewhere. Much better than he’s shown the past 2 weeks & thinking the ETSU playcalling & personnel / usage issues are reflective of him being off his game. Not some kind of ‘sour grapes’ or ‘excuse’…just an observation from someone who’s watched almost every college game he’s ever played & several of his HS games.

[semobison]

Just about as expected.

Hoped #2 would have played more like he did against Mercer…probably a once in a lifetime game for him though.

Would have liked to see ETSU run some stretch/outside zone and/or toss sweep, but understanding Sanders playcalling would take someone a lot smarter than FUBeAR. #1 looked a bit sluggish…might have a bit of a ‘tweak’ somewhere which could help explain why they never tried to get him to the perimeter. Didn’t vs. KSU either …and might explain why they ‘put him on ice’ for a quarter last week also. Those plays have been staples for them/him all season, but only ran 1x for a very good gain vs. KSU.

Good to know there are 5 or 6 SoCon Teams that are the equal of ETSU (w/better QB’s in most cases). Just need to raise the bar a bit and do a much better job of scheduling themselves into the Playoffs. Hate that SoCon only gets 1 bite at the apple vs. 5 or 6, but it is what it is.

Total offense 401-165 NDSU. If not for a bonehead play on special teams by NDSU this would have been a shutout! ETSU and the top teams in the SoCon would have their hands full with Youngstown St and Illinois State.
Congrats to ETSU for a good season though. There defense was overmatched but didn’t lie down today. First SoCon team to make the quarters in what...5 years!

[HootyHoo]

Total offense 401-165 NDSU. If not for a bonehead play on special teams by NDSU this would have been a shutout! ETSU and the top teams in the SoCon would have their hands full with Youngstown St and Illinois State.
Congrats to ETSU for a good season though. There defense was overmatched but didn’t lie down today. First SoCon team to make the quarters in what...5 years!

Screw it, the Owls should just go to the SOCON. The conference needs an Alpha program to protect them from such slanderous statements.

[FUBeAR]

6 D1 wins for Mercer. Don't schedule a non counter. At least FAMU had 8 wins against D1 teams, regardless of their talent level. If your AD is scheduling non counter because they can't find a game, you need a new AD. There are a lot of home and homes out there.

Sent from my SM-G960U1 using TapatalkLike a Facebook relationship, it’s complicated.

And…yeah, Mercer scheduled their way out of the playoffs…but a BUNCH of Teams scheduled their way IN!

[Gil Dobie]

Good game ETSU! Looks like you have a young offense that can make more waves next year.

[JSUSoutherner]

6 D1 wins for Mercer. Don't schedule a non counter. At least FAMU had 8 wins against D1 teams, regardless of their talent level. If your AD is scheduling non counter because they can't find a game, you need a new AD. There are a lot of home and homes out there.

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Records are overrated. Pick the best teams.

[FUBeAR]

ETSU and the top teams in the SoCon would have their hands full…
Agreed - The top 7 Teams in the SoCon would be competitive with the Top 7 in the MVFC. Glad y’all are starting to come around in your thinking.

[semobison]

Screw it, the Owls should just go to the SOCON. The conference needs an Alpha program to protect them from such slanderous statements.

Lol, yet this Alpha team loses to a SoCon team in a game they should have won....#notAlpha

[ysubigred]

Going to take a perfect game to beat the JMU dynasty.Don't know about perfect but better than today..

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[semobison]

Agreed - The top 7 Teams in the SoCon would be competitive with the Top 7 in the MVFC. Glad y’all are starting to come around in your thinking.

Ha, I see what you did there. 10 years since a semi appearance and still going for the SoCon!

[FUBeAR]

Ha, I see what you did there. 10 years since a semi appearance and still going for the SoCon!
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Took a marketing class one time and they were trying to teach FUBeAR something about “Barriers to Entry”….he gets what they meant now.

[Prime Power]

Like a Facebook relationship, it’s complicated.

And…yeah, Mercer scheduled their way out of the playoffs…but a BUNCH of Teams scheduled their way IN!

Sounds like they need to reevaluate their AD and how he handles the schedule then.

[semobison]

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Took a marketing class one time and they were trying to teach FUBeAR something about “Barriers to Entry”….he gets what they meant now.

Just the facts...Jack!

[HootyHoo]

Closed shop
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Took a marketing class one time and they were trying to teach FUBeAR something about “Barriers to Entry”….he gets what they meant now.

This right here. 100% correct. Of course you have 5-6 top 25 wins when every team in your conference is ranked by default. The reason? Because team X only lost to the Bison by 10 points. Which apparently means they are better than every team except Sam Houston, James Madison, or Eastern Washington. It happens every season.

[dewey]

Good dominant effort by the Bison today. I will be at the game next week with the family.

Hopefully a Friday night game!

Congratulations on the good season ETSU.

Dewey

[FUBeAR]

Sounds like they need to reevaluate their AD and how he handles the schedule then.
FUBeAR bets that people compliment you often on your amazing grasp of the obvious, don’t they?

[Prime Power]

FUBeAR bets that people compliment you often on your amazing grasp of the obvious, don’t they?

Well yeah... 🙄 That and my amazing good looks.

[FUBeAR]

Well yeah...  That and my amazing good looks.
That was a given.

RELENTLESS RODOMONTADE!

[semobison]

This right here. 100% correct. Of course you have 5-6 top 25 wins when every team in your conference is ranked by default. The reason? Because team X only lost to the Bison by 10 points. Which apparently means they are better than every team except Sam Houston, James Madison, or Eastern Washington. It happens every season.

10 plus years since a semi apearance by the SoCon = weak ass conference. 4 different Valley teams make the final in that time period. Win some ****ing playoff games and you might get some respect!

[Gil Dobie]

Closed shop
Circular Logic
Padded resumes
Quadruple Stacked Decks
Big Lie/MVFC brother-in-law’ing

Took a marketing class one time and they were trying to teach FUBeAR something about “Barriers to Entry”….he gets what they meant now.

Play some decent non-conference games, and win. How many SoCon conference seasons have ended in the Fargodome? 6?

[FUBeAR]

Play some decent non-conference games, and win. How many SoCon conference seasons have ended in the Fargodome? 6?
Nah - wrong strategy…play a bunch of PFL Teams, D2 Transitional Teams, and Houston Baptist. That put about 5 Teams in the Playoffs this year, including UNI. Then, pray and/or pay to avoid the 30-1 in the playoffs, in the FargoDome bizuns. Y’all’s perceptions are so ingrained & skewed, FUBeAR knows they won’t change, but FUBeAR also knows what he knows…and the FCS Playoffs are a complete sham.

[JacksFan40]

Nah - wrong strategy…play a bunch of PFL Teams, D2 Transitional Teams, and Houston Baptist. That put about 5 Teams in the Playoffs this year, including UNI. Then, pray and/or pay to avoid the 30-1 in the playoffs, in the FargoDome bizuns. Y’all’s perceptions are so ingrained & skewed, FUBeAR knows they won’t change, but FUBeAR also knows what he knows…and the FCS Playoffs are a complete sham.
We play those cupcake OOC teams and still do better in the playoffs than the SoCon.

[Reign of Terrier]

No one should be surprised by this outcome.

We can chestpump about how great conferences are, but the reality is that it's JMU, SHSU, SDSU, NDSU, EWU (pending on the year), and everyone else.

We like to dunk on the Southern teams (whether they be Socon or Kennesaw), but it's absolutely bonkers that we memory hole how NDSU basically did the same thing they did to ETSU tonight to SIU a week ago. Or what JMU did to Montana

"play a tougher schedule" is kind of a dumb thing to say, given the OOC weakness of the Big Sky, and that teams in their own conferences **** the bed in Fargo.

Home teams have about 75% win percentage in the FCS playoffs since 2013. JMU and NDSU are pretty much untouchable too, especially since about 2016 or so.

[Reign of Terrier]

We play those cupcake OOC teams and still do better in the playoffs than the SoCon.

Since the FCS playoffs expanded to 24 teams, the Big Sky has fielded 32 teams, 27 of them started the post season at home. In that time, the socon has gotten 18 and 10.

Since 2017, the Big Sky has gotten 16 home games for 18 teams. The socon, 9 and 4.

Consider the FCS playoff host wins 75% of the time in that time, I'd say it's no wonder the Big Sky gets that far. More interestingly: they've not won an away playoff game, outside of a Weber-SUU game in 2017, since the field expanded.

I'm not really impressed by the Big Sky. They've gotten more bids to the FCS playoffs than any conference but the MVFC and have only gotten two programs in the semifinals.

Anyway, I'm tired of people saying "Big Sky" when they mean "EWU" or "MVFC" when they mean "SDSU/NDSU" or "CAA" when they mean JMU.

Since 2017, it's been those guys +SHSU, really. No one else is elite.

[JacksFan40]

Since the FCS playoffs expanded to 24 teams, the Big Sky has fielded 32 teams, 27 of them started the post season at home. In that time, the socon has gotten 18 and 10.

Since 2017, the Big Sky has gotten 16 home games for 18 teams. The socon, 9 and 4.

Consider the FCS playoff host wins 75% of the time in that time, I'd say it's no wonder the Big Sky gets that far. More interestingly: they've not won an away playoff game, outside of a Weber-SUU game in 2017, since the field expanded.

I'm not really impressed by the Big Sky. They've gotten more bids to the FCS playoffs than any conference but the MVFC and have only gotten two programs in the semifinals.

Anyway, I'm tired of people saying "Big Sky" when they mean "EWU" or "MVFC" when they mean "SDSU/NDSU" or "CAA" when they mean JMU.

Since 2017, it's been those guys +SHSU, really. No one else is elite.
SDSU/NDSU have been the two consistent powers in the MVFC but let’s not act like the others haven’t contributed. Illinois State was national runner ups in 2014 and that was because they met the Carson Wentz led Bison in the title game. YSU had a miracle run to the title game in 2016 where they were beaten by JMU. UNI has regularly been hovering around the second round/quarterfinals. The rest have had moments of success here and there as well.

[Reign of Terrier]

SDSU/NDSU have been the two consistent powers in the MVFC but let’s not act like the others haven’t contributed. Illinois State was national runner ups in 2014 and that was because they met the Carson Wentz led Bison in the title game. YSU had a miracle run to the title game in 2016 where they were beaten by JMU. UNI has regularly been hovering around the second round/quarterfinals. The rest have had moments of success here and there as well.

The way I see it the FCS from 2017-2021 (this year) has basically been
NDSU, JMU, SHSU, EWU, and SDSU.

(btw those are 2/3 of your "final four" since the field expanded to 24 in 2013)

Then there's the second tier where teams like the Socon champ, UNI, and most of the rest of the MVFC are. And the Big Sky champs not named EWU (this is controversial, but I believe it).

The fact is, the top 5 teams I just described have been the most consistent and the most dominant and this has accelerated since 2017. There will be a new equilibrium with JMU and SHSU leaving, but the lower MVFC haven't been consistent and the trend is clearly there that SDSU/NDSU have separated from the pack.

SIU in the spring was the only team to beat NDSU since like 2016 in conference play not named SDSU. It's curious to me that non-NDSU/SDSU fans want to talk smack about how bad the Socon is (I've seen it on twitter, less so here) when they fair just as poorly in Fargo. My point is simply this: ETSU is not bad, neither are most of the teams that come to Fargo in December. NDSU's just that much better. And judging how they play everyone in the playoffs, something just clicks on.

I do think the MVFC is the best conference by virtue of its depth, and that they win road games, and that they win consecutive road games often (SDSU today and Illinois State in 2017 are the only to do so since 2016) but I think teams 3-6 who got to the playoffs are at ETSU level. But we'll never know because the FCS playoffs are broken, predictable, and boring due to regionalization and insufficient seeding.

I'm just tired of people ****ting on the rest of FCS (which happens to include my team and conference) when it's pretty clear that there are elite programs, not conferences.

[FUBeAR]

The way I see it the FCS from 2017-2021 (this year) has basically been
NDSU, JMU, SHSU, EWU, and SDSU.

(btw those are 2/3 of your "final four" since the field expanded to 24 in 2013)

Then there's the second tier where teams like the Socon champ, UNI, and most of the rest of the MVFC are. And the Big Sky champs not named EWU (this is controversial, but I believe it).

The fact is, the top 5 teams I just described have been the most consistent and the most dominant and this has accelerated since 2017. There will be a new equilibrium with JMU and SHSU leaving, but the lower MVFC haven't been consistent and the trend is clearly there that SDSU/NDSU have separated from the pack.

SIU in the spring was the only team to beat NDSU since like 2016 in conference play not named SDSU. It's curious to me that non-NDSU/SDSU fans want to talk smack about how bad the Socon is (I've seen it on twitter, less so here) when they fair just as poorly in Fargo. My point is simply this: ETSU is not bad, neither are most of the teams that come to Fargo in December. NDSU's just that much better. And judging how they play everyone in the playoffs, something just clicks on.

I do think the MVFC is the best conference by virtue of its depth, and that they win road games, and that they win consecutive road games often (SDSU today and Illinois State in 2017 are the only to do so since 2016) but I think teams 3-6 who got to the playoffs are at ETSU level. But we'll never know because the FCS playoffs are broken, predictable, and boring due to regionalization and insufficient seeding.

I'm just tired of people ****ting on the rest of FCS (which happens to include my team and conference) when it's pretty clear that there are elite programs, not conferences.
Stop with all these fact-thingies. They nullify the narrative and restrict the rodomontade.

[Bison56]

The way I see it the FCS from 2017-2021 (this year) has basically been
NDSU, JMU, SHSU, EWU, and SDSU.

(btw those are 2/3 of your "final four" since the field expanded to 24 in 2013)

Then there's the second tier where teams like the Socon champ, UNI, and most of the rest of the MVFC are. And the Big Sky champs not named EWU (this is controversial, but I believe it).

The fact is, the top 5 teams I just described have been the most consistent and the most dominant and this has accelerated since 2017. There will be a new equilibrium with JMU and SHSU leaving, but the lower MVFC haven't been consistent and the trend is clearly there that SDSU/NDSU have separated from the pack.

SIU in the spring was the only team to beat NDSU since like 2016 in conference play not named SDSU. It's curious to me that non-NDSU/SDSU fans want to talk smack about how bad the Socon is (I've seen it on twitter, less so here) when they fair just as poorly in Fargo. My point is simply this: ETSU is not bad, neither are most of the teams that come to Fargo in December. NDSU's just that much better. And judging how they play everyone in the playoffs, something just clicks on.

I do think the MVFC is the best conference by virtue of its depth, and that they win road games, and that they win consecutive road games often (SDSU today and Illinois State in 2017 are the only to do so since 2016) but I think teams 3-6 who got to the playoffs are at ETSU level. But we'll never know because the FCS playoffs are broken, predictable, and boring due to regionalization and insufficient seeding.

I'm just tired of people ****ting on the rest of FCS (which happens to include my team and conference) when it's pretty clear that there are elite programs, not conferences.

Why are all your posts borderline novels?:D

[semobison]

No one should be surprised by this outcome.

We can chestpump about how great conferences are, but the reality is that it's JMU, SHSU, SDSU, NDSU, EWU (pending on the year), and everyone else.

We like to dunk on the Southern teams (whether they be Socon or Kennesaw), but it's absolutely bonkers that we memory hole how NDSU basically did the same thing they did to ETSU tonight to SIU a week ago. Or what JMU did to Montana

"play a tougher schedule" is kind of a dumb thing to say, given the OOC weakness of the Big Sky, and that teams in their own conferences **** the bed in Fargo.

Home teams have about 75% win percentage in the FCS playoffs since 2013. JMU and NDSU are pretty much untouchable too, especially since about 2016 or so.

Unseeded SDSU just won their second consecutive road game to make the Semi’s. They were 6-3 in Valley play this year. The only other recent unseeded team I can remember getting that far was Youngstown in 2016.

[Reign of Terrier]

Why are all your posts borderline novels?:D

They're called effort posts, I sincerely can't help myself :D

[JacksFan40]

The way I see it the FCS from 2017-2021 (this year) has basically been
NDSU, JMU, SHSU, EWU, and SDSU.

(btw those are 2/3 of your "final four" since the field expanded to 24 in 2013)

Then there's the second tier where teams like the Socon champ, UNI, and most of the rest of the MVFC are. And the Big Sky champs not named EWU (this is controversial, but I believe it).

The fact is, the top 5 teams I just described have been the most consistent and the most dominant and this has accelerated since 2017. There will be a new equilibrium with JMU and SHSU leaving, but the lower MVFC haven't been consistent and the trend is clearly there that SDSU/NDSU have separated from the pack.

SIU in the spring was the only team to beat NDSU since like 2016 in conference play not named SDSU. It's curious to me that non-NDSU/SDSU fans want to talk smack about how bad the Socon is (I've seen it on twitter, less so here) when they fair just as poorly in Fargo. My point is simply this: ETSU is not bad, neither are most of the teams that come to Fargo in December. NDSU's just that much better. And judging how they play everyone in the playoffs, something just clicks on.

I do think the MVFC is the best conference by virtue of its depth, and that they win road games, and that they win consecutive road games often (SDSU today and Illinois State in 2017 are the only to do so since 2016) but I think teams 3-6 who got to the playoffs are at ETSU level. But we'll never know because the FCS playoffs are broken, predictable, and boring due to regionalization and insufficient seeding.

I'm just tired of people ****ting on the rest of FCS (which happens to include my team and conference) when it's pretty clear that there are elite programs, not conferences.
You could make the same case for the FBS. The CFB playoffs have routinely been dominated by Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma, and Ohio State with other programs occasionally getting in. Despite this it is still commonly accepted that the SEC is the dominant conference, despite only Georgia and LSU being the only others in the playoffs. The rest usually do well in OOC play and bowl season, but get beaten by each other. This is the same for the MVFC. The MVFC routinely dominates the OOC slate even when it’s against quality opponents.

If the FCS were the FBS, NDSU is Alabama while SDSU is Georgia. When you look at it that way does that devalue the SEC as a whole?

[Reign of Terrier]

Unseeded SDSU just won their second consecutive road game to make the Semi’s. They were 6-3 in Valley play this year. The only other recent unseeded team I can remember getting that far was Youngstown in 2016.

The way I look at SDSU is that they (and EWU and SHSU) are "old fashioned elite."

They're the kind of elite that was like GSU, App State and the CAA in their peak. They're top 5, but unlike JMU/NDSU they aren't untouchable. I don't know what it is about JMU/NDSU that separates them from those other 3 teams, but those other 3 teams are more often vulnerable in the regular season and just win, as opposed to blowing out, opponents. It's the kind of "elite" you'd recognize at the 1-AA/FCS level one would recognize between 1995-2010. Yeah, they'll have some head-scratching losses in the regular season, but I'm not betting against them in the playoffs. I can't say the same for the rest of the MVFC.

But we shouldn't overinvest in unseeded teams. Only 5/32 (omitting the spring) have made it to the semis. Two of them were SHSU, one was UNH, YSU, and SDSU.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Just back from the game and it went about as I expected.

Hats off to the Bison defense today. They played lights out. Held ETSU to 66 yards rushing. Big difference when you actually face a team that plays tough defense. IMO, Strong from SDSU is a much better RB compared to Holmes.

Disappointment with the WRs. Dropped passes and not looking for the ball was frustrating to watch. Passing game needs to be significantly better because JMU has a much better defense. Clean up the mistakes.

The whole team needs to bring their A game next week because JMU is tough as nails.

[Reign of Terrier]

You could make the same case for the FBS. The CFB playoffs have routinely been dominated by Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma, and Ohio State with other programs occasionally getting in. Despite this it is still commonly accepted that the SEC is the dominant conference, despite only Georgia and LSU being the only others in the playoffs. The rest usually do well in OOC play and bowl season, but get beaten by each other. This is the same for the MVFC. The MVFC routinely dominates the OOC slate even when it’s against quality opponents.

If the FCS were the FBS, NDSU is Alabama while SDSU is Georgia. When you look at it that way does that devalue the SEC as a whole?

As a South Carolina grad, I guess to use your metaphor to communicate my point: it's fallacious to say that the Big 10 is awful because Alabama dominated Ohio State, like they did last year. I don't think anyone is going to dispute that the SEC is a good conference, but only at FCS level do we see this "HUR DUR SOCON IS BAD BC ETSU GOT BLOWN OUT BY NDSU" narrative form around defeated conferences.

It doesn't make sense to me. What's more, these 3rd and 4th place SEC teams (or lower) aren't head and shoulders better than the second place Big 12 or Big 10 (etc). They often lose. Bama's dominance is more of the story of the last decade than the SEC's dominance, simply because other conferences have had better teams (like Clemson, for one), and a lot of teams have just been super duper inconsistent (basically every team but Bama, Georgia, and LSU and maybe Auburn)

The difference between the SEC and the MVFC is that SEC teams' inconsistent play is actually held against them at a certain point.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

This will be a 4 point game, a real nail biter.


xthumbsupx

[POD Knows]

Just back from the game and it went about as I expected.

Hats off to the Bison defense today. They played lights out. Held ETSU to 66 yards rushing. Big difference when you actually face a team that plays tough defense. IMO, Strong from SDSU is a much better RB compared to Holmes.

Disappointment with the WRs. Dropped passes and not looking for the ball was frustrating to watch. Passing game needs to be significantly better because JMU has a much better defense. Clean up the mistakes.

The whole team needs to bring their A game next week because JMU is tough as nails.
Both running backs for SDSU are better than Holmes. Davis was hurt all year but I would take both those guys all day long. ETSU played well on D and they are real young. Got a pretty good future in ETSU I think.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Both running backs for SDSU are better than Holmes. Davis was hurt all year but I would take both those guys all day long. ETSU played well on D and they are real young. Got a pretty good future in ETSU I think.


ETSU will be good next year and the coming years. Young team.

NDSU's WRs were crap today. They better get their heads out of their asses for next week because JMU is going to lock them up and be physical with them. Hopefully Watson is back.

[HootyHoo]

A lot of great points about the elite in FCS. It is amazing how much NDST, SDSU, JMU, Sam Houston, and EWU have dominated since 2013. I wonder who will replace JMU and Sam Houston as elite programs? If anybody.

Hooty obviously is biased for the Owls. Delaware should benefit from not having JMU blocking their path. Maybe one of the SOCON teams can separate themselves from the pack in that conference. It’s be nice to get some new blood in the semifinals.

[JacksFan40]

As a South Carolina grad, I guess to use your metaphor to communicate my point: it's fallacious to say that the Big 10 is awful because Alabama dominated Ohio State, like they did last year. I don't think anyone is going to dispute that the SEC is a good conference, but only at FCS level do we see this "HUR DUR SOCON IS BAD BC ETSU GOT BLOWN OUT BY NDSU" narrative form around defeated conferences.

It doesn't make sense to me. What's more, these 3rd and 4th place SEC teams (or lower) aren't head and shoulders better than the second place Big 12 or Big 10 (etc). They often lose. Bama's dominance is more of the story of the last decade than the SEC's dominance, simply because other conferences have had better teams (like Clemson, for one), and a lot of teams have just been super duper inconsistent (basically every team but Bama, Georgia, and LSU and maybe Auburn)

The difference between the SEC and the MVFC is that SEC teams' inconsistent play is actually held against them at a certain point.
I’m not arguing the SoCon is bad, I’m just arguing that the MVFC is the better conference. Obviously top Big Ten teams like Ohio State and Michigan are better than SEC teams like Auburn, A&M, Arkansas, Missouri etc. but when comparing say the 3rd place Big Ten team which is probably Michigan State, to the 3rd place SEC team which is probably Ole Miss, I’ll take the SEC team. ETSU is superior to most MVFC teams outside of SDSU/NDSU. However when comparing teams in similar places in their conference, the MVFC is better. When you compare SIU to Chattanooga, SIU is just plain better. Or USD to Furman, Missouri State to VMI etc.

[Hammerhead]

ETSU would have finished 8th in the MVFC using the Sagarin ratings. http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

As a South Carolina grad, I guess to use your metaphor to communicate my point: it's fallacious to say that the Big 10 is awful because Alabama dominated Ohio State, like they did last year. I don't think anyone is going to dispute that the SEC is a good conference, but only at FCS level do we see this "HUR DUR SOCON IS BAD BC ETSU GOT BLOWN OUT BY NDSU" narrative form around defeated conferences.

It doesn't make sense to me. What's more, these 3rd and 4th place SEC teams (or lower) aren't head and shoulders better than the second place Big 12 or Big 10 (etc). They often lose. Bama's dominance is more of the story of the last decade than the SEC's dominance, simply because other conferences have had better teams (like Clemson, for one), and a lot of teams have just been super duper inconsistent (basically every team but Bama, Georgia, and LSU and maybe Auburn)

The difference between the SEC and the MVFC is that SEC teams' inconsistent play is actually held against them at a certain point.

[Reign of Terrier]

I’m not arguing the SoCon is bad, I’m just arguing that the MVFC is the better conference. Obviously top Big Ten teams like Ohio State and Michigan are better than SEC teams like Auburn, A&M, Arkansas, Missouri etc. but when comparing say the 3rd place Big Ten team which is probably Michigan State, to the 3rd place SEC team which is probably Ole Miss, I’ll take the SEC team. ETSU is superior to most MVFC teams outside of SDSU/NDSU. However when comparing teams in similar places in their conference, the MVFC is better. When you compare SIU to Chattanooga, SIU is just plain better. Or USD to Furman, Missouri State to VMI etc.

I don't think anyone is arguing that the MVFC isn't the best conference in FCS. What's frustrating about these conversations is that the goal posts are constantly moved to where that's the conversation MVFC fans want to have, and not what everyone else is talking about.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

ETSU would have finished 8th in the MVFC using the Sagarin ratings. http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm


From what I saw from ETSU today, SDSU, MSU, UNI, USD, SIU would have beaten them also.

[Reign of Terrier]

ETSU would have finished 8th in the MVFC using the Sagarin ratings. http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

Computer rankings are pretty categorically useless at this level: Most FCS teams play an FBS team, a good chunk play sub-D1 teams or pioneer league teams, leaving only about one FCS OOC game, which is usually out sourced to a local team that fits a budget or a tune up game (NDSU and the FCS teams going FBS are the only ones who defied this trend in the last 10 years).

In short, it's not like FBS where they get a minimum of 3 OOC regular season games plus a bunch of bowl games every year, or basketball where there are literally a dozen OOC sample per team. Most FCS teams play 1-2 FCS teams and they're usually the same revolving door of teams.

I imagine the computer rankings would also say SIU would beat Youngstown State. That didn't happen. Don't be so certain with computers.

[UpstateBison]

"IF" NDSU actually played a good game this would have been ugly. Won't get away with this half asses approach vs JMU..

xtwocentsx

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Yep. Thank you.

[UpstateBison]

ETSU scored 3 more points than KSU would have.

You are correct.


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[UpstateBison]

Lol, yet this Alpha team loses to a SoCon team in a game they should have won....#notAlpha

That is hilarious.


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[FUBeAR]

FUBeAR is a bear of very little brain, but with a lot of OCD…so he compulsively felt he needed to finish out the table below.

#1 Quay Holmes & #8 Jacob Saylors Combined - 2021 - Rushing/Receiving - Game-by-Game



Opponent
CAR
YDS
AVG
TD
LG

REC
YDS
AVG
TD
LG

TCH
YDS
AVG
TD
LG


Vanderbilt
34
172
5.1
0
37

4
13
3.3
0
10

38
185
4.9
0
37


UVa-Wise
22
137
6.2
3
32

3
75
25.0
1
64

25
212
8.5
4
64


Del. State
32
266
8.3
4
64

1
5
5.0
0
5

33
271
8.2
4
64


Samford
33
204
6.2
3
41

2
12
6.0
0
7

35
216
6.2
3
41


Wofford
36
145
4.0
2
11

5
122
24.4
1
77

41
267
6.5
3
77


The Citadel
36
226
6.3
3
48

3
51
17
0
28

39
277
7.1
3
48


Chattanooga
29
186
6.4
1
54

4
19
4.8
0
11

33
205
6.2
1
54


Furman
30
171
5.7
1
27

4
17
4.3
0
10

34
188
5.5
1
27


VMI
32
246
7.7
2
37

1
4
4.0
0
4

33
250
7.6
2
37


WCU
49
478
9.8
6
54

1
1
1.0
0
1

50
479
9.6
6
54


Mercer
34
168
4.9
1
24

8
28
3.5
0
9

42
196
4.7
1
24


Kennesaw
20
104
5.2
1
31

10
95
9.5
2
34

30
199
6.6
3
34


NDSU
21
69
3.3
0
16

5
32
6.4
0
10

26
101
3.9
0
16


Total
408
2572
6.3
26
64

51
474
9.3
4
77

459
3082
6.7
30
77


AVG/Game
31.4
197.8
6.3
2.0
64

3.9
36.5
9.3
0.3
77

35.3
237.1
6.7
2.3
77



Obviously, the bizuns D got the job done, holding the ETSU RB tandem to over a yard & a half less per carry and almost 2 yards less per ‘touch’ than the previous best D they had faced …

3.3 vs. NDSU & 4.9 per carry vs. Mercer
3.9 vs. NDSU & 4.7 per ‘touch’ vs. Mercer

The fairly drastic number of carries & ‘touches’ decrease in the past 2 games causes FUBeAR to ponder….

Sure, some of that was due to possession time & not getting 1st downs…but with that and the 15-minutes of not using Holmes in the 2nd half vs. KSU and not seeing his usual ‘burst’ in either game, makes FUBeAR think he got something a little ‘tweaked’ vs. Mercer - a rib, an oblique, an ankle…something…but as Coach Sanders noted, there just weren’t many cracks for him to get thru anyway yesterday…because the bizuns D-Front is much better than the Bucs just-OK OL and certainly is one of the very top D-Fronts in FCS.

OK…now back to hatin’ on the Felons of the Foothills…until the 2022 Playoffs…if they are again able to squeak out an AQ or 1 of the 4 or 5 SoCon At-Large bids rec’d by the 5 or 6 SoCon Teams that are just as good or better than ETSU.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Nah, Sam’s last win was last week.


Care to make an avatar wager? I’m 4-1 over the years. Just FYI.

Not trying to kick a man while he is down. I will freely admit I would not have taken this bet; however, I have to quote this to act like caribbeanhen and pretend I knew this all along. Sam had a very nice run this past year, and best of luck as they enter the FBS.

[Houndawg]

No one should be surprised by this outcome.

We can chestpump about how great conferences are, but the reality is that it's JMU, SHSU, SDSU, NDSU, EWU (pending on the year), and everyone else.

We like to dunk on the Southern teams (whether they be Socon or Kennesaw), but it's absolutely bonkers that we memory hole how NDSU basically did the same thing they did to ETSU tonight to SIU a week ago. Or what JMU did to Montana

"play a tougher schedule" is kind of a dumb thing to say, given the OOC weakness of the Big Sky, and that teams in their own conferences **** the bed in Fargo.

Home teams have about 75% win percentage in the FCS playoffs since 2013. JMU and NDSU are pretty much untouchable too, especially since about 2016 or so.

The difference being that SIU has beaten the untouchable Bison just as badly as they were beaten by the Bison last week. Not many teams have done that

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[Bison Fan in NW MN]

The difference being that SIU has beaten the untouchable Bison just as badly as they were beaten by the Bison last week. Not many teams have done that

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You can use that spring game like USD uses their 2015 Carson Wentz led Bison win as a badge of honor.....xlolx. Or maybe Hill can use that spring win as a recruiting advantage!

[Catamount87]

FUBeAR is a bear of very little brain, but with a lot of OCD…so he compulsively felt he needed to finish out the table below.

#1 Quay Holmes & #8 Jacob Saylors Combined - 2021 - Rushing/Receiving - Game-by-Game



Opponent
CAR
YDS
AVG
TD
LG

REC
YDS
AVG
TD
LG

TCH
YDS
AVG
TD
LG


Vanderbilt
34
172
5.1
0
37

4
13
3.3
0
10

38
185
4.9
0
37


UVa-Wise
22
137
6.2
3
32

3
75
25.0
1
64

25
212
8.5
4
64


Del. State
32
266
8.3
4
64

1
5
5.0
0
5

33
271
8.2
4
64


Samford
33
204
6.2
3
41

2
12
6.0
0
7

35
216
6.2
3
41


Wofford
36
145
4.0
2
11

5
122
24.4
1
77

41
267
6.5
3
77


The Citadel
36
226
6.3
3
48

3
51
17
0
28

39
277
7.1
3
48


Chattanooga
29
186
6.4
1
54

4
19
4.8
0
11

33
205
6.2
1
54


Furman
30
171
5.7
1
27

4
17
4.3
0
10

34
188
5.5
1
27


VMI
32
246
7.7
2
37

1
4
4.0
0
4

33
250
7.6
2
37


WCU
49
478
9.8
6
54

1
1
1.0
0
1

50
479
9.6
6
54


Mercer
34
168
4.9
1
24

8
28
3.5
0
9

42
196
4.7
1
24


Kennesaw
20
104
5.2
1
31

10
95
9.5
2
34

30
199
6.6
3
34


NDSU
21
69
3.3
0
16

5
32
6.4
0
10

26
101
3.9
0
16


Total
408
2572
6.3
26
64

51
474
9.3
4
77

459
3082
6.7
30
77


AVG/Game
31.4
197.8
6.3
2.0
64

3.9
36.5
9.3
0.3
77

35.3
237.1
6.7
2.3
77



Obviously, the bizuns D got the job done, holding the ETSU RB tandem to over a yard & a half less per carry and almost 2 yards less per ‘touch’ than the previous best D they had faced …

3.3 vs. NDSU & 4.9 per carry vs. Mercer
3.9 vs. NDSU & 4.7 per ‘touch’ vs. Mercer

The fairly drastic number of carries & ‘touches’ decrease in the past 2 games causes FUBeAR to ponder….

Sure, some of that was due to possession time & not getting 1st downs…but with that and the 15-minutes of not using Holmes in the 2nd half vs. KSU and not seeing his usual ‘burst’ in either game, makes FUBeAR think he got something a little ‘tweaked’ vs. Mercer - a rib, an oblique, an ankle…something…but as Coach Sanders noted, there just weren’t many cracks for him to get thru anyway yesterday…because the bizuns D-Front is much better than the Bucs just-OK OL and certainly is one of the very top D-Fronts in FCS.

OK…now back to hatin’ on the Felons of the Foothills…until the 2022 Playoffs…if they are again able to squeak out an AQ or 1 of the 4 or 5 SoCon At-Large bids rec’d by the 5 or 6 SoCon Teams that are just as good or better than ETSU.

In short I hear you saying a bit more directly than what many SoCon fans have been saying since asu and geosouth left the SoCon. SoCon teams need to step up the defense side to get back to that elite level of FCS play. Throughout the 80-90s and early 2000s one thing nearly every SoCon team had and why often the SoCon was viewed as the top FCS conference, was strong defenses with very good to excellent defensive fronts and LBs.

Sure the high flying offenses at WCU and Samford are fun to watch but as the saying goes, offense brings fans, defense brings championships.

[Mfergy4]

I don't think anyone is arguing that the MVFC isn't the best conference in FCS. What's frustrating about these conversations is that the goal posts are constantly moved to where that's the conversation MVFC fans want to have, and not what everyone else is talking about.

Hi Terrier, read all of your posts and they are very insightful. I believe what my fellow MVFC posters are saying, but not making it very clear, is come join us at this elite level of play, we would welcome you and more than that we would like it if every conference would join us at this level of play. We would love it if you would come in and beat us at this level of play. One of the motto's here is, Bring on the Competition. We thrive on competition. We want you to thrive on competition too. But we will not lower the bar we set to bring a level playing field to all. If you want a level playing field, which we want that too, then rise to the challenge of playing at our level of competition. It is attainable, it just takes work and a commitment to excellence. By raising the level of play across the board it benefits all conferences, and if just might make the FCS a bit more relevant and scare the FBS a bit. I know no body wants to play NDSU at the FBS level, they are not even taking our calls.
Your Team came to Fargo and played us tough, but then you disappeared, please come out and play at the great level again, we would enjoy it, and would love to come to your house and play.

[Houndawg]

You can use that spring game like USD uses their 2015 Carson Wentz led Bison win as a badge of honor.....xlolx. Or maybe Hill can use that spring win as a recruiting advantage!

I think the spring game showed you that Hill is doing a good job recruiting. Maybe not you, but certainly the average Bison fan can see that

[Houndawg]

Hi Terrier, read all of your posts and they are very insightful. I believe what my fellow MVFC posters are saying, but not making it very clear, is come join us at this elite level of play, we would welcome you and more than that we would like it if every conference would join us at this level of play. We would love it if you would come in and beat us at this level of play. One of the motto's here is, Bring on the Completion. We thrive on competition. We want you to thrive on competition too. But we will not lower the bar we set to bring a level playing field to all. If you want a level playing field, which we want that too, then rise to the challenge of playing at our level of competition. It is attainable, it just takes work and a commitment to excellence. By raising the level of play across the board it benefits all conferences, and if just might make the FCS a bit more relevant and scare the FBS a bit. I know no body wants to play NDSU at the FBS level, they are not even taking our calls.
Your Team came to Fargo and played us tough, but then you disappeared, please come out and play at the great level again, we would enjoy it, and would love to come to your house and play.

Going to open up the offense?:D

[Mfergy4]

Going to open up the offense?:D

eek....better correct that.

[thebootfitter]

Computer rankings are pretty categorically useless at this level: Most FCS teams play an FBS team, a good chunk play sub-D1 teams or pioneer league teams, leaving only about one FCS OOC game, which is usually out sourced to a local team that fits a budget or a tune up game (NDSU and the FCS teams going FBS are the only ones who defied this trend in the last 10 years).

In short, it's not like FBS where they get a minimum of 3 OOC regular season games plus a bunch of bowl games every year, or basketball where there are literally a dozen OOC sample per team. Most FCS teams play 1-2 FCS teams and they're usually the same revolving door of teams.

I imagine the computer rankings would also say SIU would beat Youngstown State. That didn't happen. Don't be so certain with computers.
I dunno... when computer ratings accurately predict the winner of games roughly 75% of the time, and most of the time they get the winner "wrong," the result is well within the margin of error expected, I wouldn't call them worthless at all. Rather, they require a bit of understanding of the limitations in order to apply them properly to be useful.

[POD Knows]

I think the spring game showed you that Hill is doing a good job recruiting. Maybe not you, but certainly the average Bison fan can see that
I can see it. We used to kind of take you guys for granted. Those days are over.

[Chalupa Batman]

I think the spring game showed you that Hill is doing a good job recruiting. Maybe not you, but certainly the average Bison fan can see that

I think it's pretty obvious, but it will take some time to get the depth needed to excel in this league.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I think the spring game showed you that Hill is doing a good job recruiting. Maybe not you, but certainly the average Bison fan can see that


Good for Hill but what I saw from SIU in this year's playoff game is about the same team that got boat raced in the past.

We'll see if SIU will get back to the Kill era success or if they are a middle of the pack Valley team that moves up every few years for a playoff bid then back to mediocrity again and wash/rinse/repeat.

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I can see it. We used to kind of take you guys for granted. Those days are over.


I don't think so. We'll see.

[POD Knows]

Good for Hill but what I saw from SIU in this year's playoff game is about the same team that got boat raced in the past.

We'll see if SIU will get back to the Kill era success or if they are a middle of the pack Valley team that moves up every few years for a playoff bid then back to mediocrity again and wash/rinse/repeat.

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I don't think so. We'll see.
We need to boat race them a couple more times before I pile on. That spring game is still to fresh in my mind.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

We need to boat race them a couple more times before I pile on. That spring game is still to fresh in my mind.


That whole spring season was a total mess for many teams. Entz said it himself, they ended up spending more time with which players were rooming together and covid crap then game prep. Total anomaly "season" , if you can even call that a season.

[Gil Dobie]

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[ST_Lawson]

I was sitting in a restaurant in Chicago (not a sports bar, but they did have couple of TVs over by the bar area) last Saturday and they had the ETSU @ NDSU game on one of the TVs. Probably they just normally have it on ESPN anyway, but it was still cool to see.

[Hammerhead]

Considering there were no fall playoffs last year and your typical FBS fan didn't have football on the brain in the spring, it should be a low bar to have the highest ratings in two years. :)



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[Professor Chaos]

Considering there were no fall playoffs last year and your typical FBS fan didn't have football on the brain in the spring, it should be a low bar to have the highest ratings in two years. :)
That's a pretty good number I'd think since the 2019 quarterfinal on ESPN between NDSU and Illinois St drew a 1.74M average and I'm imagine there's even more cord cutters who dropped their ESPN subscriptions in the last 2 years.

[caribbeanhen]

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too bad game was another Snoozer

[Houndawg]

That whole spring season was a total mess for many teams. Entz said it himself, they ended up spending more time with which players were rooming together and covid crap then game prep. Total anomaly "season" , if you can even call that a season.

xbawlingx

Everybody that didn't pussy out played the same season. Some adjusted, some didn't.xcoffeex

Anyway, I'm looking forward to an NDSU/SDSU final. Know why? Because either way we beat the NC this year.xlolx

[Houndawg]

I think it's pretty obvious, but it will take some time to get the depth needed to excel in this league.

Yes it will and there aren't a lot of selling points for recruits unless you like the outdoors and a very rural setting.

[Bisonator]

xbawlingx

Everybody that didn't pussy out played the same season. Some adjusted, some didn't.xcoffeex

Anyway, I'm looking forward to an NDSU/SDSU final. Know why? Because either way we beat the NC this year.xlolx
Not really because the championship is next year. xthumbsupx

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

xbawlingx

Everybody that didn't pussy out played the same season. Some adjusted, some didn't.xcoffeex

Anyway, I'm looking forward to an NDSU/SDSU final. Know why? Because either way we beat the NC this year.xlolx


Then you can regurgitate what USD fans love to spew...."Moral victories".....xlolx

Maybe SIU can make a banner and put up in their stadium saying "home of the team that beat the '21 national champion".....xlolx....get yourself a t-shirt made with the same phrase on it....xlolx

[Houndawg]

Not really because the championship is next year. xthumbsupx

I know - just having some fun with your boy xthumbsupx