SELECTION SUNDAY 2021

[mvfcfan]

ETSU?
Montana State?
NDSU?

I don't have ESPNU. Do they not tell you who they'd play in the next round until the end or something?

[ST_Lawson]

I don't have ESPNU. Do they not tell you who they'd play in the next round until the end or something?

Yeah, they start with the seeds, then get into the at-large teams later.

[TheKingpin28]

Why do all CAA fans like to compare losses and ignore who teams have actually beaten?Well, the Consistently Average Association needs to ignore the facts and only highlight the chosen stats.

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[mvfcfan]

Yeah, they start with the seeds, then get into the at-large teams later.

So is SDSU @ MOST an actual matchup or not?

[TheKingpin28]

Villanova with a ****ing cake walk to the quarterfinals.

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[mvfcfan]

Sorry folks. I'm trying to write down the bracket based on what I see posted on here.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Davis at SDSU

Winner to Sac State

[TheKingpin28]

So is SDSU @ MOST an actual matchup or not?No UT-Martin at Missouri State eith winner going to Montana State

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[TheKingpin28]

Davis at SDSU with winner going to Sac St. That pod is a ****ing bloodbath.

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[ST_Lawson]

So is SDSU @ MOST an actual matchup or not?

I don't have ESPNU either, but reddit is saying UT-Martin at Missouri State, winner goes to Montana State.

EDIT - also UC Davis at South Dakota State, feeding into Sacramento State

[TheKingpin28]

NDSU honestly might get USD vs SIU like I thought they would.

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[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I don't have ESPNU either, but reddit is saying UT-Martin at Missouri State, winner goes to Montana State.

Neither do i...I'm blind as a bat right now....

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Davis at SDSU with winner going to Sac St. That pod is a ****ing bloodbath.

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SDSU rolls both of them

[Chalupa Batman]

SDSU gets as good a draw as they could ask for given their situation

[ST_Lawson]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEvEE4EVIAkBc44?format=jpg&name=large

[mvfcfan]

I don't have ESPNU either, but reddit is saying UT-Martin at Missouri State, winner goes to Montana State.

EDIT - also UC Davis at South Dakota State, feeding into Sacramento State

Bears should win that one. SEMO just beat Martin 31-14.

[Bison56]

I'm JMU will have a chip on their shoulder again.xcoffeex

[Chalupa Batman]

SDSU rolls both of them

Agree they should win both

[TheKingpin28]

SDSU rolls both of themI'm just glad they are on the other side of the bracket. Wouldn't be shocked if EWu is funneled to Montana.

NDSU might have gotten lucky. Would love to see Montana or EWU go up against JMU. That upper quarter could be the toughest group.

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[acbearkat]

SDSU rolls both of them

I wouldn’t necessarily say that. South Dakota State has had some head scratching performances.


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[caribbeanhen]

Villanova with a ****ing cake walk to the quarterfinals.

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this is true

[mvfcfan]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEvEE4EVIAkBc44?format=jpg&name=large

Now that's what I'm talking about! Big shout out to ST for this screenshot.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I wouldn’t necessarily say that. South Dakota State has had some head scratching performances.


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Davis in winter weather?

No way. SDSU rolls them

[TheKingpin28]

this is trueRegionalization really sucks. Villanova has 3 weeks before a real competition.

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[TheKingpin28]

FAMU in. UNI is probably out now.

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[Chalupa Batman]

Congrats FAMU, but that game is going to be a bloodbath.

[WileECoyote06]

UNI and FAMU in!

[TheKingpin28]

So I guess we are now North Dakota, not NDSU?

Would have loved FAMU to come to NDSU. They could have replaced our "marching band"

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[POD Knows]

NDSU honestly might get USD vs SIU like I thought they would.

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That would actually be a pretty sweet draw. We don’t have the ****/garbage they have in the NE so I suppose this is the best we can hope for

[TheKingpin28]

UNI and EWU with winner going to Montana, NDSU just got lucky!

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[caribbeanhen]

I agree with you on FAMU

send them to Hammond, La

bingo

[TheKingpin28]

That would actually be a pretty sweet draw. We don’t have the ****/garbage they have in the NE so I suppose this is the best we can hope forYep. Honestly, this worked out for the best. We would get, assuming me win, the winner of KSU and ETSU. NDSU got a great damn draw in our quarter group.

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[uofmman1122]

UNI and EWU with winner going to Montana, NDSU just got lucky!

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Awesome.

Would rather be the 8 seed right now.

Thanks, committee!

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Villanova is like 38-3 all time against PL teams. Brutal draw for HC, great draw for the 'Cats. It won't be a blow out but 'Nova will win in a grinder something like 24-10. I say with this with the belief the Crusaders will take down a solid SHU at Fitton....

[POD Knows]

I hear they have NDSU listed as North Dakota on the ESPN site. ****ing clowns

[UNHWildcat18]

Lol and the MVFC fans feels like every team that is .500 in their conference is a quality win. In the end it doesn’t matter, will be settled on the field for every team.

[WileECoyote06]

dang, three MVFC teams in the same pod. that's wild.

[acbearkat]

So I guess we are now North Dakota, not NDSU?

Would have loved FAMU to come to NDSU. They could have replaced our "marching band"

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I just noticed that.


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[Bison Fan in NW MN]

3 Valleys teams in the same pod....

[ksu_owls]

Is Davidson good? I think KSU ETSU match up will be a great game

[TheKingpin28]

Awesome.

Would rather be the 8 seed right now.

Thanks, committee!Yep, the NDSU quarter group is a blessing for NDSU. That said, the Sac St/Villanova pod might be the easiest.

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[POD Knows]

Yep. Honestly, this worked out for the best. We would get, assuming me win, the winner of KSU and ETSU. NDSU got a great damn draw in our quarter group.

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It would be fun to play KSU in the first game. The game might take two hours to play

[TheKingpin28]

I hear they have NDSU listed as North Dakota on the ESPN site. ****ing clownsYep. Its ****ing joke. You'd think after a Decade of Dominance, they could get it right?

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[ST_Lawson]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FEvF2c1UYAQKtx_?format=jpg&name=large

[fencer24]

EWU Montana rematch is possible, and not on that Gawd Awful red field.

[BisonFan02]

What a crock of ****.

[POD Knows]

Is ESPN referring to NORTH DAKOTA STATE as ****ing NORTH DAKOTA in the broadcast?

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

NDSU's first game is against another Valley....figures

Joke

3rd time Bison have played another Valley team in the 2nd round.....

[TSUsupporter]

OK. I thought they'd send FAMU to Kennesaw St. They sent them to SELA. That's actually a good matchup.

Northern Iowa In. The win over Sac State was just too significant, I guess. They'll be one and done though.


Mercer's blowout loss to VMI was an absolute killer.

URI's win over UMASS meant nothing.

[JSUSoutherner]

Is Davidson good? I think KSU ETSU match up will be a great game
No. You guys should kill them.

ETSU on the other hand. That's gonna be a helluva game.

[TheKingpin28]

dang, three MVFC teams in the same pod. that's wild.Honestly, this is a dream draw for NDSU with regionalization taking into account. Obviously, Holy Cross vs Sacred Heart would have been a dream come true, but all things considered, this was the best we could hope for. ETSU vs KSU/Davidson is a perfect other draw.

That said Keith Brake will worship ETSU if they win their game and so does NDSU.

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[TheKingpin28]

I just noticed that.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIt's just baffling at this point.

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[ysubigred]

UNI in.. I swear they cold lose 11 games and make it lol...

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[POD Knows]

Yep. Its ****ing joke. You'd think after a Decade of Dominance, they could get it right?

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They probably don’t know that a school called “North Dakota” exists in the football world. 😀

[TheKingpin28]

It would be fun to play KSU in the first game. The game might take two hours to playI want ETSU so I can hear Keith Brake no longer worship his 1660 overlords and have to choose a side.

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[ETSUfan1]

What the hell is this Friday at 2 PM crap?

[ksu_owls]

No. You guys should kill them.

ETSU on the other hand. That's gonna be a helluva game.

Yea they’ve got a squad from what I can tell. I wonder how much Davidson prep they’ll work on during practice this week lol

[caribbeanhen]

Is Davidson good? I think KSU ETSU match up will be a great game

no good

[WileECoyote06]

UNI in.. I swear they cold lose 11 games and make it lol...

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lol

[TheKingpin28]

OK. I thought they'd send FAMU to Kennesaw St. They sent them to SELA. That's actually a good matchup.

Northern Iowa In. The win over Sac State was just too significant, I guess. They'll be one and done though.


Mercer's blowout loss to VMI was an absolute killer.

URI's win over UMASS meant nothing.Avatar bet that UNI wins their first game? I'll take it and that UNI wins!

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[mvfcfan]

Final 4- Missouri State, SD State, ND State, N Iowa

[Chalupa Batman]

OK. I thought they'd send FAMU to Kennesaw St. They sent them to SELA. That's actually a good matchup.

Northern Iowa In. The win over Sac State was just too significant, I guess. They'll be one and done though.


Mercer's blowout loss to VMI was an absolute killer.

URI's win over UMASS meant nothing.

Yes to all of this, except I think FAMU/SLU is going to be a bloodbath

[geaux_sioux]

Is ESPN referring to NORTH DAKOTA STATE as ****ing NORTH DAKOTA in the broadcast?

Tough break. Better luck next year I guess!

[kdinva]

UNI in.. I swear they cold lose 11 games and make it lol...


+1......did play a killer schedule, though.

[JSUSoutherner]

Yea they’ve got a squad from what I can tell. I wonder how much Davidson prep they’ll work on during practice this week lol

Last year was their best team ever and we beat them by 40. Kennesaw drew a bye week. Though I suspect you guys will probably have to spend more time on them just because their offense is weird.

[TheKingpin28]

Tough break. Better luck next year I guess!There is always teh hockies!

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[Christiank22]

Lol and the MVFC fans feels like every team that is .500 in their conference is a quality win. In the end it doesn’t matter, will be settled on the field for every team.

To be fair a .500 valley team is likely a top 2 Colonial team

[caribbeanhen]

Bison vs Sammy in the finals

[neverobeyed]

UNI in.. I swear they cold lose 11 games and make it lol...

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Harris is probably ripping up the five-year extension he signed Farley to a few months ago and signing a ten-year extension as I write this.

UNI is in serious trouble and the selection committee did the school no favors today.

[acbearkat]

OK. I thought they'd send FAMU to Kennesaw St. They sent them to SELA. That's actually a good matchup.

Northern Iowa In. The win over Sac State was just too significant, I guess. They'll be one and done though.


Mercer's blowout loss to VMI was an absolute killer.

URI's win over UMASS meant nothing.

Rhode Island lost 4 of its last 6. If they had been 3-3 they likely get in.


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[taper]

3 MVFC teams in 1 pod looks awful at first glance, but it's tempered by having 6 in and at least one in every pod. All Valley semis is possible, though unlikely.

[Bison56]

Alert! Alert! Coat tail rider spotted in thread!

[ksu_owls]

I can’t travel dec 10-11. If we advance we’d end up at NDSU that weekend, right?

I might have to piss some people off and just go IF we make it

[nickp]

A 5 loss team makes the FCS playoffs!

[mvfcfan]

In actual seriousness, at first look I think it will be SDSU vs SHSU and Montana vs NDSU; with an XDSU Championship game.

[nickp]

A 5 loss team makes the FCSplayoffs!

[taper]

A 5 loss team makes the FCSplayoffs!
Not the first time, won't be the last. Just another sign that 24 is too many.

[Chalupa Batman]

Here's my rudimentary crack at the bracket that probably won't be close to the actual one. In the end it came down to 3 teams for the final 2 spots: EKU, FAMU, & UNI. I went with EKU & UNI.

Incarnate Word/Stephen F. Austin @ #1 Sam Houston
Davidson/Kennesaw State @ #8 East Tennessee State

Eastern Kentucky/Southern Illinois @ #4 JMU
UT Martin/Missouri State @ #5 Sac State

Sacred Heart/Holy Cross @ #3 Villanova
South Dakota/Eastern Washington @ #6 Montana

UC Davis/South Dakota State @ #2 North Dakota State
Southeastern Louisiana/Northern Iowa @ #7 Montana State

I didn't do too bad with my bracket above. Got all 8 teams correct to be seeded correct, but not the order. Missed on including EKU over FAMU. Correctly predicted 5 of next weekend matchups, and where 3 of them are getting funneled to.


Incarnate Word/Stephen F. Austin @ #1 Sam Houston
UT Martin/Missouri State @ #8 Montana State

UC Davis/South Dakota State @ #4 Sac State
Sacred Heart/Holy Cross @ #5 Villanova

Florida A&M/Southeastern Louisiana @ #3 James Madison
Northern Iowa/Eastern Washington @ #6 Montana

South Dakota/Southern Illinois @ #2 North Dakota State
Davidson/Kennesaw State @ #7 East Tennessee State

[kalm]

YSU is 3-0.. sorry couldn't resist.

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Should have been in over FAMU.

[HootyHoo]

Great draw for the Owls! Well deserved for a great season. Now IF we can get past Davidson and ETSU. The Game of Destiny will be at hand. KSU vs North Dakota St.

[POD Knows]

Tough break. Better luck next year I guess!
LOL. How did you guys sneak in there. That was the biggest surprise in the entire deal.

But seriously, if NDSU wins the Natty, please send the trophy down to Fargo as quick as you can and when you get the conference championship deal, get it to us as quick as you can. We would appreciate it

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

SDSU beats 3 Big Sky teams to the final....xnodx

[TSUsupporter]

Yes to all of this, except I think FAMU/SLU is going to be a bloodbath


My score would be 38 - 28 SELA.

FAMU will slow the game down, while SELA may hit them early, but struggle to completely put them away.

[TheKingpin28]

I can’t travel dec 10-11. If we advance we’d end up at NDSU that weekend, right?

I might have to piss some people off and just go IF we make itCorrect. Traditionally, that quarterfinal game, should NDSU make, they get the Saturday mid day game on ESPN2.

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[Chalupa Batman]

My score would be 38 - 28 SELA.

FAMU will slow the game down, while SELA may hit them early, but struggle to completely put them away.

I don't know much about FAMU and how they play. I would like to see as many competitive games as possible so would be glad to be wrong.

[POD Knows]

SDSU beats 3 Big Sky teams to the final....xnodx
Agree.

[fencer24]

Agree.
I could see SDSU beating Davis, but I am not so sure about them beating Sacto.

[nickp]

Why can’t the SWAC fix their schedule so they can compete in the FCS Playoffs? I would love to see Jackson St play NDSU

[uofmman1122]

Just glad the Griz get an extra week off.

We need it probably more than any other team right now.

[crusader11]

Villanova will have their hands full with HC.

[KnightoftheRedFlash]

So SFU didn't make it as at-large?

[katss07]

See y’all in Frisco, NDSU people

[ysubigred]

Not the first time, won't be the last. Just another sign that 24 is too many.This^ still hate auto-bids..

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[Preferred Walk-On]

I hear they have NDSU listed as North Dakota on the ESPN site. ****ing clowns

8-time champs, but whatever. Probably thought we were like Sam Houston and dropped the “State”. Also, didn’t a football national champion banner get sent to Grand Forks once?


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[caribbeanhen]

I could see SDSU beating Davis, but I am not so sure about them beating Sacto.

Davis is one of the worst teams in playoffs and Sac State will take another embarrassing loss

[ysubigred]

In actual seriousness, at first look I think it will be SDSU vs SHSU and Montana vs NDSU; with an XDSU Championship game.No way.. SDSU lost it's mojo xtwocentsx

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[JSUSoutherner]

The left side of the bracket is 10-ply. Good lord.

[ysubigred]

Harris is probably ripping up the five-year extension he signed Farley to a few months ago and signing a ten-year extension as I write this.

UNI is in serious trouble and the selection committee did the school no favors today.Hey it's a new season.. UNI in my opinion is as talented as it gets at FCS.. coach?

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[BisonFan02]

No way.. SDSU lost it's mojo xtwocentsx

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SDSU can beat anybody.....they can also lose to just about anybody. Haha

SHSU hasn't played anyone....we'll see what happens.

[neverobeyed]

Hey it's a new season.. UNI in my opinion is as talented as it gets at FCS.. coach?

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No issue with the talent. The recruiting is first rate, competing with two in-state FBS programs, the four Dakota schools, the Illinois schools … It really is remarkable.

[Panther88]

Why can’t the SWAC fix their schedule so they can compete in the FCS Playoffs? I would love to see Jackson St play NDSU

Why can't the "fcs playoffs" fix their schedule? We're not "fixing" what isn't broken in the SWAC. As a conference, we're gaining the traction we required.

SCG @ host seeded higher site televised on ESPN (JSU just did ~59K yesterday vs their in-state rival Alcorn St @ their place)
The Celebration Bowl in The ATL televised on ABC
SWAC sends its 2nd place SWAC-East rep to the "fcs playoffs."

Burn. xlolx

[katss07]

SDSU can beat anybody.....they can also lose to just about anybody. Haha

SHSU hasn't played anyone....we'll see what happens.
Is SFA still a nobody now that they’re a playoff team?

SHSU is 1-0 vs. playoff teams. JMU is 0-1.

[TSUalum05]

Why can't the "fcs playoffs" fix their schedule? We're not "fixing" what isn't broken in the SWAC. As a conference, we're gaining the traction we required.

SCG @ host seeded higher site televised on ESPN (JSU just did ~59K yesterday vs their in-state rival Alcorn St @ their place)
The Celebration Bowl in The ATL televised on ABC
SWAC sends its 2nd place SWAC-East rep to the "fcs playoffs."

Burn. xlolx

xlolx - 59k for a normal conference game is insane. I also believe FAMU and Bethune had 54k at their conference game as well.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

See y’all in Frisco, NDSU people


SDSU beats you in the semis.....xnodx

[BisonFan02]

Is SFA still a nobody now that they’re a playoff team?

SHSU is 1-0 vs. playoff teams. JMU is 0-1.

Yes

[JSUSoutherner]

Is SFA still a nobody now that they’re a playoff team?

SHSU is 1-0 vs. playoff teams. JMU is 0-1.
I mean we beat SFA.

Soo...

Yeah they're not worth much.

[semobison]

SDSU beats you in the semis.....xnodx

If Sammy can get by Missouri State in the quarters.

[Daytripper]

If Sammy can get by Missouri State in the quarters.

Meh. We were doubted all through the spring playoffs. I think we play everybody in front of us tough throughout. I am not guaranteeing we win it all but we have as good of a chance as anybody. Actually, the Bears worry me more than the Jackrabbits.

[katss07]

Yeah, nobody is worried about South Dakota State. This is the best possible draw for Sam. Avoid JMU, NDSU and Montana. Team might as well book the hotel in Frisco lol

[JSUSoutherner]

Yeah, nobody is worried about South Dakota State. This is the best possible draw for Sam. Avoid JMU, NDSU and Montana. Team might as well book the hotel in Frisco lol
I'm just gonna go ahead and put this post in my back pocket.

[JacksFan40]

SDSU beats you in the semis.....xnodx
Let’s worry about getting by UC Davis before we worry about the semis.

[BisonFan02]

Meh. We were doubted all through the spring playoffs. I think we play everybody in front of us tough throughout. I am not guaranteeing we win it all but we have as good of a chance as anybody. Actually, the Bears worry me more than the Jackrabbits.

Congrats on your covid asterisk natty.....way to beat a gutted Bison team and limp past SDSU in Frisco. xlolx

[JacksFan40]

Yeah, nobody is worried about South Dakota State. This is the best possible draw for Sam. Avoid JMU, NDSU and Montana. Team might as well book the hotel in Frisco lol
You do realize SDSU could just as easily win the whole damn thing and also just as easily lose in the first round right? I’d say we’re a pretty scary team, because nobody knows if we’ll show up or not.

[caribbeanhen]

Let’s worry about getting by UC Davis before we worry about the semis.

UC Davis is no good

[ysubigred]

You do realize SDSU could just as easily win the whole damn thing and also just as easily lose in the first round right? I’d say we’re a pretty scary team, because nobody knows if we’ll show up or not.Damn.. I love how you said that..

Go bunnies [emoji106]

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[taper]

For all the smack talk, can we agree that every team this year has flaws and there's a realistic chance that SHSU, NDSU, JMU, Montana, Montana St, EWU,and SDSU are title contenders, with several other dark horses? Have you ever seen a more competitive field?

[semobison]

Meh. We were doubted all through the spring playoffs. I think we play everybody in front of us tough throughout. I am not guaranteeing we win it all but we have as good of a chance as anybody. Actually, the Bears worry me more than the Jackrabbits.

I think the Bears may be the best team playing next week. The early loss to Youngstown cost them a seed. Not a team I’d want to play early in the playoffs!

[ysubigred]

I think the Bears may be the best team playing next week. The early loss to Youngstown cost them a seed. Not a team I’d want to play early in the playoffs!Yup Ytown went 3-3 against playoff teams this year.. hence #1 strength of schedule..

my xtwocentsx it's NDSU's to win..

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[caribbeanhen]

For all the smack talk, can we agree that every team this year has flaws and there's a realistic chance that SHSU, NDSU, JMU, Montana, Montana St, EWU,and SDSU are title contenders, with several other dark horses? Have you ever seen a more competitive field?

nope, white out the Montana’s

[uofmman1122]

For all the smack talk, can we agree that every team this year has flaws and there's a realistic chance that SHSU, NDSU, JMU, Montana, Montana St, EWU,and SDSU are title contenders, with several other dark horses? Have you ever seen a more competitive field?
It definitely doesn't feel like only two or three teams have a chance this year, which is great, IMO.

Doesn't mean it won't end up NDSU-SHSU Part IV, though. SHSU has to be happy that a lot of the heaviest hitting teams are all on that other side.

I think we'll see a few seeds upset in the 2nd round this year.

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nope, white out the Montana’s
Might as well white out EWU, while you're at it, then.

[caribbeanhen]

It definitely doesn't feel like only two or three teams have a chance this year, which is great, IMO.

Doesn't mean it won't end up NDSU-SHSU Part IV, though. SHSU has to be happy that a lot of the heaviest hitting teams are all on that other side.

I think we'll see a few seeds upset in the 2nd round this year.

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Might as well white out EWU, while you're at it, then.

I agree, the Big Fluffy is falling

[semobison]

Yup Ytown went 3-3 against playoff teams this year.. hence #1 strength of schedule..

my xtwocentsx it's NDSU's to win..

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And, the Redbirds were 2-3 against playoff teams. Had to show up every week in the Valley this year!

[uofmman1122]

I agree, the Big Fluffy is falling
Appreciate your schtick for the 15th or so year in a row. xthumbsupx

Guess we'll see how it turns out.

[Reign of Terrier]

This looks more like a regional tournament with token out-of-region invites just to call it national.

[semobison]

This looks more like a regional tournament with token out-of-region invites just to call it national.

Yep, NDSU is probably going to be playing USD back to back. This should never happen!

[JSUSoutherner]

For all the smack talk, can we agree that every team this year has flaws and there's a realistic chance that SHSU, NDSU, JMU, Montana, Montana St, EWU,and SDSU are title contenders, with several other dark horses? Have you ever seen a more competitive field?
Reminds me of 2016. There were about 10 teams that all had a shot that year.

[caribbeanhen]

Appreciate your schtick for the 15th or so year in a row. xthumbsupx

Guess we'll see how it turns out.

it never fails me but I think you might have me confused with CluckU

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Yep, NDSU is probably going to be playing USD back to back. This should never happen!


SIU has been trending down the last half of the year and USD will beat them at home IMO. From what I saw from USD yesterday, I have no reason to believe USD will bring anything different to the table in 2 weeks.

[Panther88]

xlolx - 59k for a normal conference game is insane. I also believe FAMU and Bethune had 54k at their conference game as well.
We are... The SWAC!!!

Special "blah" to our PV Panthers playing before 98K txa&m aggies yesterday as well.

[putter]

Davis is one of the worst teams in playoffs and Sac State will take another embarrassing loss

Rabbits will blow out Davis, SAC is legit. Don't look past them

[ysubigred]

And, the Redbirds were 2-3 against playoff teams. Had to show up every week in the Valley this year!You're right..

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[Mfergy4]

I do not see JMU getting past the quarterfinals game. Either Big Sky teams or the MVFC team will end their season.

[caribbeanhen]

Rabbits will blow out Davis, SAC is legit. Don't look past them

I kind of agree on Sac but that’s why I said it will be an embarrassing loss

[Bisonoline]

I hate regionalizaction.

[neverobeyed]

I hate regionalizaction.

Everybody does.

[NDB]

I'd prefer a 4, 8, or 16 team playoff to this.

Get rid of these awful teams. No repeat games in first round if 16 teams.

[HootyHoo]

Everybody does.

I like it. Ending the SOCON champ’s season is a holiday tradition for KSU atp. It also gives a chance for fans to attend road games. Maybe if the Big Sky/MVC didn’t have 11 bids between them. There would be a little more variety in your matchups.

[Bearvision]

Missouri State to make the quarterfinals for the first time ever? Have to think they've got a good shot.

Definitely feel like they should've been seeded.

[Roamingriz]

UNI or EWU in Missoula has been going well for the most part the last decade. I'll take some of that to start

[Roamingriz]

Honestly, would love a Limu-Jones Barriere Montana rematch at home. And always appreciate the UNI in Missoula postseason beat down if it comes to that.

[POD Knows]

I could see SDSU beating Davis, but I am not so sure about them beating Sacto.
Really. Sure about that. Didn’t the number 6 team in the MVFC beat them

[Daytripper]

Missouri State to make the quarterfinals for the first time ever? Have to think they've got a good shot.

Definitely feel like they should've been seeded.

I have the Bears as my dark horse to get to Frisco. I'm not thrilled by the prospect of them coming to Bowers.

[POD Knows]

I have the Bears as my dark horse to get to Frisco. I'm not thrilled by the prospect of them coming to Bowers.
They will beat you if they get there.

[Hammerhead]

I hate regionalizaction.
Every NCAA championship has regional matches in the early rounds. Why should the FCS be any different? NDSU is never going to a southeast regional in basketball, softball, etc.

[HensRock]

Not the first time, won't be the last. Just another sign that 24 is too many.

Might be first for an At-Large. I don't think I've ever seen a 6-5 team get an At-large berth before.

[acbearkat]

Every NCAA championship has regional matches in the early rounds. Why should the FCS be any different? NDSU is never going to a southeast regional in basketball, softball, etc.

What you said isn’t necessarily true. Go look at the Austin Regional for baseball. The four seed in the regional was Southern out of Baton Rouge (the two and three seeds were Fairfield and Arizona State), when they and LSU could have been sent to Ruston, Louisiana in Louisiana Tech’s regional. In baseball and softball, there is a prohibition on conference opponents being in the same regional.


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[CHIP72]

Every NCAA championship has regional matches in the early rounds. Why should the FCS be any different? NDSU is never going to a southeast regional in basketball, softball, etc.

Unless it is the southeast regional of North Dakota, LOL. ;)

[TheKingpin28]

I have the Bears as my dark horse to get to Frisco. I'm not thrilled by the prospect of them coming to Bowers.I wasn't joking when I said how relieved i was to see them and SDSU on the other side of the bracket.

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[Daytripper]

I wasn't joking when I said how relieved i was to see them and SDSU on the other side of the bracket.

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The Bears have the horses and the coaching to win it all...

[Hammerhead]

There are 16 regionals in the D-1 baseball tournament so that isn't any different than not having rematches for both teams first playoff game in the FCS playoffs. When three or four conferences dominate the at-large bids, you're bound to have some rematches in the 2nd round or quarterfinals.


What you said isn’t necessarily true. Go look at the Austin Regional for baseball. The four seed in the regional was Southern out of Baton Rouge (the two and three seeds were Fairfield and Arizona State), when they and LSU could have been sent to Ruston, Louisiana in Louisiana Tech’s regional. In baseball and softball, there is a prohibition on conference opponents being in the same regional.


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[katss07]

lol Missouri State lost to YSU and iirc struggled with UCA for four quarters. They're scaring nobody.

[Bisonoline]

Every NCAA championship has regional matches in the early rounds. Why should the FCS be any different? NDSU is never going to a southeast regional in basketball, softball, etc.

Why not?

[CHIP72]

Why not?

Because the DI-AA/FCS playoffs are not a major revenue generator for the NCAA?

[Chalupa Batman]

lol Missouri State lost to YSU and iirc struggled with UCA for four quarters. They're scaring nobody.

They also lost by 7 to current #9 FBS Oklahoma State (and likely #7 this coming week) and had the ball twice inside the 20 yard line in the final couple minutes with a chance to tie. They also led NDSU into the 4th quarter in the Fargodome, and beat playoff teams USD, SIU, and UNI. They can be scary good or closer to average. Sam Houston, or whoever else they play, better have the attitude that if they don't bring their A game they're gonna get beat.

[ysubigred]

lol Missouri State lost to YSU and iirc struggled with UCA for four quarters. They're scaring nobody.Well, YSU is less than stellar that's for sure. YSU did beat more playoff team than your teams weak ass schedule.. blind center and Jerry's kids is SH's schedule.. LOL [emoji38]

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[JayJ79]

Might be first for an At-Large. I don't think I've ever seen a 6-5 team get an At-large berth before.
UNI also got an at-large as a 6-5 team in 2018 (they beat Lamar in the first round, then lost at UC-Davis in the 2nd)
Illinois State got in at 6-5 in 2016 (they lost at Central Arkansas in the first round)
Western Illinois got in at 6-5 in 2015, (winning at Dayton in the first round, then losing at Illinois State)
Indiana State got in at 7-5 in 2014 (12 game season), where they won at Eastern Kentucky in the first round before losing at Chattanooga.
Furman got in at 7-5 in 2013 (12 game season), where they won at SC State before losing at NDSU

[CHIP72]

One thing I want to mention - I'm not happy Villanova's second round home game is scheduled for Friday 12/3 rather than Saturday 12/4. It was almost definitely scheduled for the former date because Villanova basketball is hosting one of its big rivalry games, the "Holy War" game with nearby foe and fellow Philadelphia Big Five team Saint Joseph's, on Saturday 12/4 at 12 PM ET. However, I'm not sure why the NCAA couldn't have had the Sacred Heart/Holy Cross at Villanova game scheduled for say 4 PM ET on Saturday 12/4. Doing so would have allowed the Holy War game to function as a lead in for the football game, which would have been beneficial for both Villanova and the NCAA, and playing at 4 PM in early December at an outdoor stadium in the Northeast, though it is dark for much of the game, is not as problematic for the fans as playing at 7 PM.

Just a mild rant about the schedule the NCAA gave Villanova for its second round home game.

[katss07]

Well, YSU is less than stellar that's for sure. YSU did beat more playoff team than your teams weak ass schedule.. blind center and Jerry's kids is SH's schedule.. LOL [emoji38]

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Congrats on your 11th place finish. Will there be a banner raised at the stadium next year?

"Beat 3 Playoff Teams 2021"

[gofurman]

Are you talking about beating last place Wofford? Or are you asking the committee to consider previous years results? A single SoCon win over Wofford who was 0-8 in the SoCon is a stretch.

exactly. KSU beat the worst SoCon team in a DECADE. we just didn’t know it at the time. .

let’s see what KSU does v ETSU. ETSU who barely beat Mercer and Furman. So they won our conference barely. If KSU loses to ETSU then KSU needs to shut it

[ysubigred]

Congrats on your 11th place finish. Will there be a banner raised at the stadium next year?

"Beat 3 Playoff Teams 2021"Nice come back from a weak schedule participate..

Good luck in conference USA [emoji106]

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[NY Crusader 2010]

Every NCAA championship has regional matches in the early rounds. Why should the FCS be any different? NDSU is never going to a southeast regional in basketball, softball, etc.

M/W Basketball is the only exception. Only 2 NCAA tournaments that are bracketed nationally and not regional.

[BurialGround]

If KSU loses to ETSU then KSU needs to shut it

It's like a broken record with you guys, the same thing every year. I can understand the MVFC and Big Sky guys downing on us, but we're 3-0 against the SoCon in the playoffs and beat your outright champ on the road in 2019. I would think at this point you guys would just take a 'wait and see' approach to playing against KSU and let the play on the field do the talking, but nope, we're the ones who need to shut our mouths. Incredible, really.

And honestly, ETSU should beat us this year, and it would really speak volumes if they can't. They get us at home with two weeks to prepare. We got a bunch of injuries in our last game against Monmouth, and I'm not sure who all will be back. ETSU SHOULD win this, period. Unless you guys are just overestimating them again, like Wofford two years ago (except now with an extra week to prepare). So we'll see.

[BurialGround]

^Sorry, I should clarify that that isn't aimed specifically at gofurman, just at the SoCon poster comments I've been reading in general.

[HootyHoo]

exactly. KSU beat the worst SoCon team in a DECADE. we just didn’t know it at the time. .

let’s see what KSU does v ETSU. ETSU who barely beat Mercer and Furman. So they won our conference barely. If KSU loses to ETSU then KSU needs to shut it

But on the other hand, think of all the crap we could talk if we beat down the Bucs and ended the SOCON champ's season for the fourth time in a row.

[Daytripper]

lol Missouri State lost to YSU and iirc struggled with UCA for four quarters. They're scaring nobody.

I think you are very wrong.

[McCowboys]

I do appreciate that Saturday's games, for the most part, have staggered start times, with games times ranging from 11 AM (ET) to 6 PM (ET).

[MSUBobcat]

lol Missouri State lost to YSU and iirc struggled with UCA for four quarters. They're scaring nobody.

Well.... you're absolutely wrong. As a fan of the team that has a pretty good chance of facing them in the second round, I'm nervous about the matchup ("scared" isn't an appropriate word when it comes to sports, IMO). I can't speak to fans of UT-Martin or the team itself, but I would suspect they don't feel warm and fuzzy about going to Springfield, where they are undefeated so far this year and 2-0 against playoff teams. Perhaps SHSU isn't "scared" of Missouri State, but they're also the #1 overall. That said, overlook the Bears at your own peril (if they should get through the first 2 rounds).

[Daytripper]

Well.... you're absolutely wrong. As a fan of the team that has a pretty good chance of facing them in the second round, I'm nervous about the matchup ("scared" isn't an appropriate word when it comes to sports, IMO). I can't speak to fans of UT-Martin or the team itself, but I would suspect they don't feel warm and fuzzy about going to Springfield, where they are undefeated so far this year and 2-0 against playoff teams. Perhaps SHSU isn't "scared" of Missouri State, but they're also the #1 overall. That said, overlook the Bears at your own peril (if they should get through the first 2 rounds).

I have serious respect for MSU and what they have done...and I guarantee Keeler and the players won't take them lightly if both teams get that far.

[that guy]

May the football gods have NDSU and KSU make it to play each other so I can read all the smack between Hooty and the Bison fans on here.

[CHIP72]

I do appreciate that Saturday's games, for the most part, have staggered start times, with games times ranging from 11 AM (ET) to 6 PM (ET).

You mean 12 PM ET to 7 PM ET. We (those of us in the Eastern Time Zone) are only one hour ahead of you, LOL.

I didn't see a direct link to the bracket in any of the posts in the thread (may have missed it), so I'll post it here (https://www.ncaa.com/brackets/football/fcs/2021). The bracket includes the game dates and start times for each of the first two rounds.

NOTE: I don't know if the game times shown automatically adjust based on your location, but if the times shown are Eastern Time (as they are for me):

*Start times are 1 hour earlier in the Central Time Zone (i.e. a game that says 12 PM ET starts at 11 AM CT).

*Start times are 2 hours earlier in the Mountain Time Zone (i.e. a game that says 12 PM ET starts at 10 AM MT).

*Start times are 3 hours earlier in the Pacific Time Zone (i.e. a game that says 12 PM ET starts at 9 AM PT).

[semobison]

Congrats on your 11th place finish. Will there be a banner raised at the stadium next year?

"Beat 3 Playoff Teams 2021"

I doubt a banner will be raised but there can be T Shirts made, kind of like FCS runner ups!

[Professor Chaos]

M/W Basketball is the only exception. Only 2 NCAA tournaments that are bracketed nationally and not regional.
I'd like to see them adopt the baseball/softball model where they seed the top 8 and bracket them into the 4 quadrants accordingly. They would act as the 1 and 2 seeds in each quadrant. Then you pool together teams into groups of 4 from the remaining 16 as the 3 through 6 seeds. This year that could look something like this.

3 seeds
EWU
KSU
Missouri St
SDSU

4 seeds
South Dakota
SLU
UCD
UIW

5 seeds
Holy Cross
SFA
SIU
UTM

6 seeds
Davidson
FAMU
SHU
UNI


From there you regionally pair together the 3 seeds with the 6 seeds and the 4 seeds with the 5 seeds. You can then regionally pair the 3/6 matchups with the #5-#8 overall seeds and regionally part the 4/5 matchups with the #1-#4 overall seeds. So the bracket this year could look something like this.

(5)SFA @ (4)UIW to #1 SHSU
(6)FAMU @ (3)Missouri St to #8 Montana St
(6)SHU @ (3)SDSU to #5 Villanova
(5)Holy Cross @ (4)UCD to #4 Sac St
(5)UTM @ (4)SLU to #3 JMU
(6)UNI @ (3)EWU to #6 Montana
(6)Davidson @ (3)KSU to #7 ETSU
(5)SIU @ (4)South Dakota to #2 NDSU


So the bracket would actually look pretty similar to what they came up with but at least you can make it a little more balanced without having to massively "de-regionalize" it. Most years this would add maybe 2-3 more flights. I think we'd all agree seeding the entire field 1-24 would be the best solution but I think this would be a good compromise.

[ysubigred]

I doubt a banner will be raised but there can be T Shirts made, kind of like FCS runner ups![emoji106] better than my weak schedule propelled us to the FCS 24 team playoffs.. [emoji1787]

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[McCowboys]

You mean 12 PM ET to 7 PM ET. We (those of us in the Eastern Time Zone) are only one hour ahead of you, LOL.

I didn't see a direct link to the bracket in any of the posts in the thread (may have missed it), so I'll post it here (https://www.ncaa.com/brackets/football/fcs/2021). The bracket includes the game dates and start times for each of the first two rounds.

NOTE: I don't know if the game times shown automatically adjust based on your location, but if the times shown are Eastern Time (as they are for me):

*Start times are 1 hour earlier in the Central Time Zone (i.e. a game that says 12 PM ET starts at 11 AM CT).

*Start times are 2 hours earlier in the Mountain Time Zone (i.e. a game that says 12 PM ET starts at 10 AM MT).

*Start times are 3 hours earlier in the Pacific Time Zone (i.e. a game that says 12 PM ET starts at 9 AM PT).

Yes, thank you for the correction. I am in central time and was trying to convert to Eastern Time. I goofed! Still, my point is valid. It is nice they spread out the games so they are not all starting at the same times.

[Hammerhead]

I doubt a banner will be raised but there can be T Shirts made, kind of like FCS runner ups!

Or "perfect season" T-shirts Kat fans were wearing at the 2011 championship when their season became not quite perfect. :)

[katss07]

I doubt a banner will be raised but there can be T Shirts made, kind of like FCS runner ups!
Great idea, maybe ysubigred would be willing to send me one when they're printed. I like moral victories and strength of schedule as much as the next anygivensaturday poster. Hell, I'd trade last year's AND this year's national title trophy for a few good losses.

[ysubigred]

Great idea, maybe ysubigred would be willing to send me one when they're printed. I like moral victories and strength of schedule as much as the next anygivensaturday poster. Hell, I'd trade last year's AND this year's national title trophy for a few good losses.You got it.. keep the board exciting lol..

Good luck katdude.. see you all in 2025.. unless the CUSA don't let you play us?

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[Preferred Walk-On]

I think we'd all agree seeding the entire field 1-24 would be the best solution but I think this would be a good compromise.

Based on the AGS Poll, seeding 1-24 would look like this (best seed always home team):

(17) Southern Illinois / (16) Southeastern Louisiana @ (1) Sam Houston
(18) Tennessee-Martin / (15) South Dakota @ (2) North Dakota State
(19) Stephen F. Austin / (14) UC Davis @ (3) James Madison
(20) Holy Cross / (13) Incarnate Word @ (4) Eastern Washington
(21) Northern Iowa / (12) Kennesaw State @ (5) Villanova
(22) Florida A&M / (11) South Dakota State @ (6) Montana Grizzlies
(23) Sacred Heart / (10) Missouri State @ (7) East Tennessee State
(24) Davidson / (9) Sac State @ (8) Montana State

This looks like a lot of fun... ;)

[Professor Chaos]

Based on the AGS Poll, seeding 1-24 would look like this (best seed always home team):

(17) Southern Illinois / (16) Southeastern Louisiana @ (1) Sam Houston
(18) Tennessee-Martin / (15) South Dakota @ (2) North Dakota State
(19) Stephen F. Austin / (14) UC Davis @ (3) James Madison
(20) Holy Cross / (13) Incarnate Word @ (4) Eastern Washington
(21) Northern Iowa / (12) Kennesaw State @ (5) Villanova
(22) Florida A&M / (11) South Dakota State @ (6) Montana Grizzlies
(23) Sacred Heart / (10) Missouri State @ (7) East Tennessee State
(24) Davidson / (9) Sac State @ (8) Montana State

This looks like a lot of fun... ;)
Sure would be. UNI vs Kennesaw in the 1st round... yes please!

[JayJ79]

Or "perfect season" T-shirts Kat fans were wearing at the 2011 championship when their season became not quite perfect. :)

technically, that was the POSTseason, meaning it came AFTER the season.

[ysubigred]

technically, that was the POSTseason, meaning it came AFTER the season.Ummm. "IF" that makes you feel better,, than ok by me [emoji106]

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[ElCid]

Based on the AGS Poll, seeding 1-24 would look like this (best seed always home team):

(17) Southern Illinois / (16) Southeastern Louisiana @ (1) Sam Houston
(18) Tennessee-Martin / (15) South Dakota @ (2) North Dakota State
(19) Stephen F. Austin / (14) UC Davis @ (3) James Madison
(20) Holy Cross / (13) Incarnate Word @ (4) Eastern Washington
(21) Northern Iowa / (12) Kennesaw State @ (5) Villanova
(22) Florida A&M / (11) South Dakota State @ (6) Montana Grizzlies
(23) Sacred Heart / (10) Missouri State @ (7) East Tennessee State
(24) Davidson / (9) Sac State @ (8) Montana State

This looks like a lot of fun... ;)

There is are huge issues even picking the at larges. Seeding the field would be a nightmare and not really anything more than a guess. Seeding any more than current really wouldn't be realistic since SOS has become too subjective in some quarters and teams schedules are not tied together enough for a computer to get it accurate enough. That's why we have the playoffs. I heard some folks say they don't even like the auto bids. I totally disagree with that. Every conf that participates deserves a shot, period. I was not a huge fan of 24 teams, but it has grown on me. If I was king of the world, I'm pretty sure I would maintain the status quo. If anyone feels like their team got screwed because Davidson got in, then win more games next time or better yet, win their conf.

[Professor Chaos]

There is are huge issues even picking the at larges. Seeding the field would be a nightmare and not really anything more than a guess. Seeding any more than current really wouldn't be realistic since SOS has become too subjective in some quarters and teams schedules are not tied together enough for a computer to get it accurate enough. That's why we have the playoffs. I heard some folks say they don't even like the auto bids. I totally disagree with that. Every conf that participates deserves a shot, period. I was not a huge fan of 24 teams, but it has grown on me. If I was king of the world, I'm pretty sure I would maintain the status quo. If anyone feels like their team got screwed because Davidson got in, then win more games next time or better yet, win their conf.
That's why we have a committee who can come up with a consensus so biases are avoided as much as possible. They actually already rank the teams 1-24 after the field has been set, they just cut it off at 8. Wouldn't be much extra effort at all to just seed it all the way out.

[grizband]

Based on the AGS Poll, seeding 1-24 would look like this (best seed always home team):

(17) Southern Illinois / (16) Southeastern Louisiana @ (1) Sam Houston
(18) Tennessee-Martin / (15) South Dakota @ (2) North Dakota State
(19) Stephen F. Austin / (14) UC Davis @ (3) James Madison
(20) Holy Cross / (13) Incarnate Word @ (4) Eastern Washington
(21) Northern Iowa / (12) Kennesaw State @ (5) Villanova
(22) Florida A&M / (11) South Dakota State @ (6) Montana Grizzlies
(23) Sacred Heart / (10) Missouri State @ (7) East Tennessee State
(24) Davidson / (9) Sac State @ (8) Montana State

This looks like a lot of fun... ;)
I would love FAMU to visit Montana! I've always wanted the Griz to play against an HBCU, and the playoffs in December, under the lights, would be an incredible atmosphere!

[caribbeanhen]

I would love FAMU to visit Montana! I've always wanted the Griz to play against an HBCU, and the playoffs in December, under the lights, would be an incredible atmosphere!

all good except for the cold

[katss07]

all good except for the cold
Wonder if any FAMU parents would protest and ask for the game to be moved to a nuetral site. And what about the REAL show, the band?

https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/coastal-carolina-fan-wants-playoff-game-moved-to-neutral-site-because-montana-is-too-cold-01dm61zcrp77

[Sitting Bull]

I'd like to see them adopt the baseball/softball model where they seed the top 8 and bracket them into the 4 quadrants accordingly. They would act as the 1 and 2 seeds in each quadrant. Then you pool together teams into groups of 4 from the remaining 16 as the 3 through 6 seeds. This year that could look something like this.

3 seeds
EWU
KSU
Missouri St
SDSU

4 seeds
South Dakota
SLU
UCD
UIW

5 seeds
Holy Cross
SFA
SIU
UTM

6 seeds
Davidson
FAMU
SHU
UNI


From there you regionally pair together the 3 seeds with the 6 seeds and the 4 seeds with the 5 seeds. You can then regionally pair the 3/6 matchups with the #5-#8 overall seeds and regionally part the 4/5 matchups with the #1-#4 overall seeds. So the bracket this year could look something like this.

(5)SFA @ (4)UIW to #1 SHSU
(6)FAMU @ (3)Missouri St to #8 Montana St
(6)SHU @ (3)SDSU to #5 Villanova
(5)Holy Cross @ (4)UCD to #4 Sac St
(5)UTM @ (4)SLU to #3 JMU
(6)UNI @ (3)EWU to #6 Montana
(6)Davidson @ (3)KSU to #7 ETSU
(5)SIU @ (4)South Dakota to #2 NDSU


So the bracket would actually look pretty similar to what they came up with but at least you can make it a little more balanced without having to massively "de-regionalize" it. Most years this would add maybe 2-3 more flights. I think we'd all agree seeding the entire field 1-24 would be the best solution but I think this would be a good compromise.

The reason you regionalize is to sell more tickets. This National breakdown might look good on paper but for the revenue and fan aspects of seeing their team play in the early rounds, it’s not an improvement.

if I’m Holy Cross, I would hate this. Same for Villanova.

[ST_Lawson]

I would love FAMU to visit Montana! I've always wanted the Griz to play against an HBCU, and the playoffs in December, under the lights, would be an incredible atmosphere!

I seem to remember a lot of FAMU players and fans not really enjoying the beautifully sunny 40+ degree day we had in December in 1998...I can't imagine what they'd do if they had to play in something close to Montana's December weather.

[ElCid]

That's why we have a committee who can come up with a consensus so biases are avoided as much as possible. They actually already rank the teams 1-24 after the field has been set, they just cut it off at 8. Wouldn't be much extra effort at all to just seed it all the way out.

It's not so much biases as inaccuracies. You can't compare teams that have little connection. Lots of subjective input. To be honest I just don't like the concept of seeding. It's not neutral. I don't buy the position that you earned it. You play the season to get there. Unlike other sports where neutral sites are usually used, there is the home field advantage to contend with in FB. It's just one of my pet peeves. That's why I like it's limitation in FCS playoffs.

[Professor Chaos]

The reason you regionalize is to sell more tickets. This National breakdown might look good on paper but for the revenue and fan aspects of seeing their team play in the early rounds, it’s not an improvement.

if I’m Holy Cross, I would hate this. Same for Villanova.
All the games are pretty easily streamable so it's not like it's difficult to watch if your team isn't playing within a reasonable distance to go see them. I think regionalization exists more to decrease travel costs than it does to increase ticket sales. I'm sure Holy Cross would much rather play Sacred Heart at home than travel 3 time zones to play UC Davis. Those are the best things about the playoff IMO... seeing two teams that would never play in the regular season. Matchups between Sacred Heart, Holy Cross, and Villanova or some similar teams are all games we can see in early to mid September if we really want to.


It's not so much biases as inaccuracies. You can't compare teams that have little connection. Lots of subjective input. To be honest I just don't like the concept of seeding. It's not neutral. I don't buy the position that you earned it. You play the season to get there. Unlike other sports where neutral sites are usually used, there is the home field advantage to contend with in FB. It's just one of my pet peeves. That's why I like it's limitation in FCS playoffs.
So you're saying home field is a big deal in football and because of it we should have home field decided by bids rather than on field merit? I don't agree. I do think there's enough of a connection to draw reasonable conclusions between teams in different areas of the country. Yes it's subjective but so is ranking teams in any other sport.

[HootyHoo]

All the games are pretty easily streamable so it's not like it's difficult to watch if your team isn't playing within a reasonable distance to go see them. I think regionalization exists more to decrease travel costs than it does to increase ticket sales. I'm sure Holy Cross would much rather play Sacred Heart at home than travel 3 time zones to play UC Davis. Those are the best things about the playoff IMO... seeing two teams that would never play in the regular season. Matchups between Sacred Heart, Holy Cross, and Villanova or some similar teams are all games we can see in early to mid September if we really want to.


So you're saying home field is a big deal in football and because of it we should have home field decided by bids rather than on field merit? I don't agree. I do think there's enough of a connection to draw reasonable conclusions between teams in different areas of the country. Yes it's subjective but so is ranking teams in any other sport.

Of course you do. Because the prevailing wisdom says a Missouri valley team with 5 losses is better than a SOCON team with 3 losses. The Valley/Big Sky received 11 bids. That’s too much. Massey SOS should not be the deciding factor between bids.

[Professor Chaos]

Of course you do. Because the prevailing wisdom says a Missouri valley team with 5 losses is better than a SOCON team with 3 losses. The Valley/Big Sky received 11 bids. That’s too much. Massey SOS should not be the deciding factor between bids.
Let's see how it plays out. In 2019 there were 8 MVFC and Big Sky teams in the playoffs and 6 of them made the quarters.

It's probably not going to getting better with the top 2 non-Big Sky/MVFC seeds leaving for the FBS.

[HootyHoo]

Let's see how it plays out. In 2019 there were 8 MVFC and Big Sky teams in the playoffs and 6 of them made the quarters.

It's probably not going to getting better with the top 2 non-Big Sky/MVFC seeds leaving for the FBS.

Again, not a deciding factor when the Valley and Big Sky teams get the most favorable draws. Of course those teams will make it to the QF’s when the deck is stacked in their favor.

[grizband]

Let's see how it plays out. In 2019 there were 8 MVFC and Big Sky teams in the playoffs and 6 of them made the quarters.

It's probably not going to getting better with the top 2 non-Big Sky/MVFC seeds leaving for the FBS.


Again, not a deciding factor when the Valley and Big Sky teams get the most favorable draws. Of course those teams will make it to the QF’s when the deck is stacked in their favor.
Are you saying most favorable draws, because they have the most opportunities to make the Quarterfinals? Or, because they face the easiest first round opponents? I imagine most Big Sky and MVFC teams would love to face a Patriot League, or NEC team, in the first round of the playoffs each year.

[Professor Chaos]

Again, not a deciding factor when the Valley and Big Sky teams get the most favorable draws. Of course those teams will make it to the QF’s when the deck is stacked in their favor.
How is it stacked in their favor? All 11 Big Sky/MVFC teams are in the 4 pods with the seeded Big Sky/MVFC teams. UT-Martin is literally the only non-Big Sky/MVFC team of the 12 teams in those pods. I'd say that's stacking the deck against them.

[aceinthehole]

I thought this year's at large selections were without controversy. Sure the MVFC/Big Sky combined for 9 at-large selections, but they were deserved when compared to the field.

And the AQ bids are the fabric if NCAA Championship across all sports. Is anyone really upset that Davidson is in instead of Mercer/URI/Monmouth?

Regionalization is needed for fan support and to avoid unnecessary flights and travel. The SHU/HC-Nova bracket is perfect example.

I think a 24-team bracket is ideal with 8-seeded byes. This system rewards the top teams and provides access to leagues that want it.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Again, not a deciding factor when the Valley and Big Sky teams get the most favorable draws. Of course those teams will make it to the QF’s when the deck is stacked in their favor.

Hooty, it is when you say things like this that people cannot take you seriously. Taking a 30 second look at the bracket, I see three first round games that go (1) Big Sky @ MVFC, (2) MVFC @ Big Sky, and (3) MVFC @ MVFC. And guess what, the winner of these three games goes to (1) a Big Sky, (2) Big Sky, and a (3) MVFC. So by my count, that is 9 Big Sky/MVFC teams, in which only 3 will emerge to the quarterfinals. Oh, did I mention that there is another game (4) OVC @ MVFC, where if the MVFC finds a way to win, they will go to a (4) Big Sky. I suppose you think it would be worse for the Big Sky/MVFC teams if they did not have to face creampuffs (each other) and instead had to play the powerhouses from the other conferences. I see. xcrazyxxcrazyxxcrazyxxcrazyx

EDIT: Sorry Professor, I see you already said this, so this is just another way of laying it out.

[ElCid]

So you're saying home field is a big deal in football and because of it we should have home field decided by bids rather than on field merit? I don't agree. I do think there's enough of a connection to draw reasonable conclusions between teams in different areas of the country. Yes it's subjective but so is ranking teams in any other sport.

No I was saying the opposite, but wasn't clear. I can tolerate the limited use of seeds in the FCS playoffs. But I also like the limited use of bids. It's a nice compromise.

[TheKingpin28]

Again, not a deciding factor when the Valley and Big Sky teams get the most favorable draws. Of course those teams will make it to the QF’s when the deck is stacked in their favor.Villanova would like a word with you in relation to a favorable draw.

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[Gil Dobie]

Of course you do. Because the prevailing wisdom says a Missouri valley team with 5 losses is better than a SOCON team with 3 losses. The Valley/Big Sky received 11 bids. That’s too much. Massey SOS should not be the deciding factor between bids.

The committee chair, from the CAA, said they chose UNI over Mercer, EKU and Rhode Island, because they had a better record against the playoff field. Mercer, EKU and Rhode Island had 0 wins against the field, while UNI had 3.

[JacksFan40]

The committee chair, from the CAA, said they chose UNI over Mercer, EKU and Rhode Island, because they had a better record against the playoff field. Mercer, EKU and Rhode Island had 0 wins against the field, while UNI had 3.
Losing at home to Indiana State also did EKU no favors.

[FUBeAR]

The committee chair, from the CAA, said they chose UNI over Mercer, EKU and Rhode Island, because they had a better record against the playoff field. Mercer, EKU and Rhode Island had 0 wins against the field, while UNI had 3.UNI also had 3 losses to playoff teams. 3-3=0 … net 0 wins. Same as Mercer.

Or, to look at it another screwy way (putting FUBeAR’s mindset into that of the Committee’s) UNI lost to 3 Playoff Teams. Mercer only lost to 1…that’s like 3x a better loss record vs. Playoff Teams…well, unless you add in the CFP…then Mercer’s loss to Alabama gives them 2 losses to Playoff Teams…probably.

Bottom line…they can look at it however they want to look at it and justify their decisions with whatever logic they can spin up to support those decisions.

Go Panthers. Hope they run the table…or don’t…or whatever.

[Chalupa Batman]

UNI also had 3 losses to playoff teams. 3-3=0 … net 0 wins. Same as Mercer.

Or, to look at it another screwy way (putting FUBeAR’s mindset into that of the Committee’s) UNI lost to 3 Playoff Teams. Mercer only lost to 1…that’s like 3x a better loss record vs. Playoff Teams…well, unless you add in the CFP…then Mercer’s loss to Alabama gives them 2 losses to Playoff Teams…probably.

Bottom line…they can look at it however they want to look at it and justify their decisions with whatever logic they can spin up to support those decisions.

Go Panthers. Hope they run the table…or don’t…or whatever.

It's pretty simple. Mercer & UNI both had 6 FCS wins. Who should get in based on the quality of those 6 wins?

Mercer left themselves with very little margin for error by playing only 8 FCS games.

[FUBeAR]

Team
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
Total


St. Thomas
0
7
8
0
15


Davidson
14
7
7
14
42




Team
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
Total


St. Thomas
0
3
0
0
3


UNI
10
7
6
21
44



Yep…UNI had 6 “D1” wins.

Clearly excellent justification of their decision by the Playoff Selection Committee.

Go Panthers. Hope they run the table…or don’t…or whatever.

[JayJ79]

I suppose you think it would be worse for the Big Sky/MVFC teams if they did not have to face creampuffs (each other) and instead had to play the powerhouses from the other conferences. I see. xcrazyxxcrazyxxcrazyxxcrazyx
of course, if they had set it up that way, there is a good chance that most of the MVFC/Big Sky teams beat the opponents from the other conferences, leading to even more Big Sky/MVFC teams in the quarterfinals, and he would be complaining about THAT

[Chalupa Batman]

Team
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
Total


St. Thomas
0
7
8
0
15


Davidson
14
7
7
14
42




Team
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
Total


St. Thomas
0
3
0
0
3


UNI
10
7
6
21
44



Yep…UNI had 6 “D1” wins.

Clearly excellent justification of their decision by the Playoff Selection Committee.

Go Panthers. Hope they run the table…or don’t…or whatever.

Should all wins against the Pioneer League be discarded, or just the ones against this specific team who also happens to be the newest?

[FUBeAR]

The Playoff Selection Committee should decide what they want to do and should spin up logic to support those decisions.

Should wins vs. non-scholarship “D1” Teams be worth more or less than wins vs. scholarship D2 or NAIA Teams?

If the Committee wants to justify their decisions by counting one or the other of those more or less than the other, then that’s what they should do.

Go Panthers. Hope they run the table…or don’t…or whatever.

[Gil Dobie]

Team
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
Total


St. Thomas
0
7
8
0
15


Davidson
14
7
7
14
42




Team
1st
2nd
3rd
4th
Total


St. Thomas
0
3
0
0
3


UNI
10
7
6
21
44



Yep…UNI had 6 “D1” wins.

Clearly excellent justification of their decision by the Playoff Selection Committee.

Go Panthers. Hope they run the table…or don’t…or whatever.

We can play the comparative score game for what it's worth

VMI beat Davidson by 21, 45-24, at VMI
VMI beat Mercer by 38, 45-7, at Mercer, OUCH, maybe this is what the committee found.

[FUBeAR]

The Playoff Selection Committee finds what it wants to find, decides what it wants to decide, and spins up logic to support its decisions.

Go Panthers. Hope they run the table…or don’t…or whatever.

[Chalupa Batman]

The Playoff Selection Committee should decide what they want to do and should spin up logic to support those decisions.

Should wins vs. non-scholarship “D1” Teams be worth more or less than wins vs. scholarship D2 or NAIA Teams?

If the Committee wants to justify their decisions by counting one or the other of those more or less than the other, then that’s what they should do.

Go Panthers. Hope they run the table…or don’t…or whatever.

Are you saying in the past the committee has valued wins wins against non-scholarship D1 teams less than wins over scholarship D2 teams, and that this year is a reversal of that just to screw your team over?

[FUBeAR]

FUBeAR is confident the Playoff Selection Committee harbors no ill will toward Mercer nor toward Furman.

The Committee makes their decisions and then does an outstanding job of spinning up the logic to support those decisions.

Go Panthers. Hope they run the table…or don’t…or whatever.

[TennBison]

Arguing over which teams getting in that are 7-4 or 6-5 is just comical. Bottom line is they didn't get it done during the season and left their fate up to someone else. Who cares which of those teams made it or didn't, you could flip a coin and the outcome could be the same. They are just there to put an opponent on the field for the other team in the first round. It is nothing more than a moral victory, lets hand out the participation trophy's.

[katss07]

Arguing over which teams getting in that are 7-4 or 6-5 is just comical. Bottom line is they didn't get it done during the season and left their fate up to someone else. Who cares which of those teams made it or didn't, you could flip a coin and the outcome could be the same. They are just there to put an opponent on the field for the other team in the first round. It is nothing more than a moral victory, lets hand out the participation trophy's.
Who cares about which of those teams made it or didn't? Probably fans and players of those teams that didn't make it.

[Chalupa Batman]

FUBeAR is confident the Playoff Selection Committee harbors no ill will toward Mercer nor toward Furman.

The Committee makes their decisions and then does an outstanding job of spinning up the logic to support those decisions.

Go Panthers. Hope they run the table…or don’t…or whatever.

Go Bears. Hope they run the table in the FCS NIT tournament….or don’t…or whatever.

[TennBison]

Who cares about which of those teams made it or didn't? Probably fans and players of those teams that didn't make it.
I guess 11-12 games for a slightly better than average football team wasn't enough. Lets just give everyone a trophy for being.........ehh.xhurrayxxhurrayxxhurrayx

[katss07]

I guess 11-12 games for a slightly better than average football team wasn't enough. Lets just give everyone a trophy for being.........ehh.xhurrayxxhurrayxxhurrayx
I mean are the playoffs in general not one big participation trophy tournament? Not like the winner is the best team in college football, or anything close to it, plus nobody really cares about the FCS.

My hunch is that fans and players enjoy being involved in extra football games, so it's a bit of a talking point when one team is selected to play extra football as opposed to a different one.

[JayJ79]

I mean are the playoffs in general not one big participation trophy tournament? Not like the winner is the best team in college football, or anything close to it, plus nobody really cares about the FCS.

My hunch is that fans and players enjoy being involved in extra football games, so it's a bit of a talking point when one team is selected to play extra football as opposed to a different one.

if you wanna talk "participation trophies", I give you.... the Football Bowl Subdivision. with "bowls" between .500 teams

[katss07]

if you wanna talk "participation trophies", I give you.... the Football Bowl Subdivision. with "bowls" between .500 teams
Great point. In fact, why even play football? Unless you're in the SEC, Big 10, PAC-12 or ACC, it's just for a participation trophy.

[NY Crusader 2010]

Great point. In fact, why even play football? Unless you're in the SEC, Big 10, PAC-12 or ACC, it's just for a participation trophy.

Ask Coastal Carolina. Moved up to FBS, got themselves ranked in the Top 10. Got rewarded with a bowl game against another school that was also in the Big South 5 years ago.

[katss07]

Ask Coastal Carolina. Moved up to FBS, got themselves ranked in the Top 10. Got rewarded with a bowl game against another school that was also in the Big South 5 years ago.
That's just a participation trophy exhibition game. Irrelevant.

[caribbeanhen]

Go Bears. Hope they run the table in the FCS NIT tournament….or don’t…or whatever.

The FCS playoffs are the NIT

[ElCid]

Hey, remember when there was no FCS playoffs and the only goal for most current FCS teams (when there was no FBS/FCS) was just winning their conf or beating their big rival, since there were only like 15 bowl games and none of these teams would normally not come close to getting into one of them? I remember that,. FuBear probably remembers more. Such innocent days.

[Gil Dobie]

The FCS playoffs are the NIT

If only the Ivy schools participated. Easily the top 8 seeds. It would be the Ivy Invitation Tourney.

[FUBeAR]

Hey, remember when there was no FCS playoffs and the only goal for most current FCS teams (when there was no FBS/FCS) was just winning their conf or beating their big rival, since there were only like 15 bowl games and none of these teams would normally not come close to getting into one of them? I remember that,. FuBear probably remembers more. Such innocent days.
FUBeAR remembers 1980 when we were 8-1, having only lost to #13 Ranked ACC Champ, UNC…and all we had left on the schedule was the season-ender @ Home vs. a meh 6-3 CIT Team and an expected also Home win over a 6-2-1 NAIA Wofford Team that had recently been smashed 35-3 by CIT.

Tangerine Bowl (1 of exactly 15 Bowls) scouts were in the stands at Sirrine Stadium that rainy, very muddy day and rumor was that if we won out, finishing 10-1, which seemed highly likely, we would be one of the Tangerine Bowl Committee’s selected Teams. LAID A BIG FAT EGG and let Woffy tie us 14-14. Bowl Scouts left scowling because they knew they now had to settle for unranked 8-3 ACC runner-up, Maryland & unranked 7-4 SEC 4th place Florida instead of the 10-1 SoCon Champion & most likely ranked, Paladins.

Disappointing, but we took our frustrations out by pounding the bellhops again the following Sat., and winning our 1st of 4 straight SoCon championships.

Ah…thanks for sending me on that trip down memory lane El Cid. Those, indeed, were much more innocent times.

[ElCid]

FUBeAR remembers 1980 when we were 8-1, having only lost to #13 Ranked ACC Champ, UNC…and all we had left on the schedule was the season-ender @ Home vs. a meh 6-3 CIT Team and an expected also Home win over a 6-2-1 NAIA Wofford Team that had recently been smashed 35-3 by CIT.

Tangerine Bowl (1 of exactly 15 Bowls) scouts were in the stands at Sirrine Stadium that rainy, very muddy day and rumor was that if we won out, finishing 10-1, which seemed highly likely, we would be one of the Tangerine Bowl Committee’s selected Teams. LAID A BIG FAT EGG and let Woffy tie us 14-14. Bowl Scouts left scowling because they knew they now had to settle for unranked 8-3 ACC runner-up, Maryland & unranked 7-4 SEC 4th place Florida instead of the Paladins.

Disappointing, but we took our frustrations out by pounding the bellhops again the following Sat., and winning our 1st of 4 straight SoCon championships.

Ah…thanks for sending me on that trip down memory lane El Cid. Those, indeed, were much more innocent times.

We did the Tangerine Bowl in 1960. Our Bowl Record is 1-0 xnodx

[caribbeanhen]

If only the Ivy schools participated. Easily the top 8 seeds. It would be the Ivy Invitation Tourney.

Nah, 3 Ivy teams would be about right this year

with FCS football being so weak in the Northeast, and several FBS departures, it’s way past overdue the Ivies participate in the playoffs. Need more quality teams in.

[Gil Dobie]

We did the Tangerine Bowl in 1960. Our Bowl Record is 1-0 xnodx

Back when those bowls were small college bowls, before the playoff. NDSU played in the Pecan, Grantland Rice and Camelia Bowls. Beat Grambling in 1965 Pecan Bowl to win their first Championship. I remember watching them beat Montana a couple time in the Camelia Bowl.

[TennBison]

My point is that any team that is 7-4 or 6-5 should just consider themselves lucky to be in the playoffs. And if they don't get in then to bad. So teams/fans bitching that they were left out and another got in is pointless. UNI made it at 6-5, and others were passed over, but UNI had a tougher schedule against higher quality opponents, they played 6 playoff teams and won half of them. How many other 7-4 or 6-5 teams can say that, how many of those 6-5 teams that didn't make it played that many playoff teams and won at least half of those games.

[Chalupa Batman]

How is it stacked in their favor? All 11 Big Sky/MVFC teams are in the 4 pods with the seeded Big Sky/MVFC teams. UT-Martin is literally the only non-Big Sky/MVFC team of the 12 teams in those pods. I'd say that's stacking the deck against them.


Hooty, it is when you say things like this that people cannot take you seriously. Taking a 30 second look at the bracket, I see three first round games that go (1) Big Sky @ MVFC, (2) MVFC @ Big Sky, and (3) MVFC @ MVFC. And guess what, the winner of these three games goes to (1) a Big Sky, (2) Big Sky, and a (3) MVFC. So by my count, that is 9 Big Sky/MVFC teams, in which only 3 will emerge to the quarterfinals. Oh, did I mention that there is another game (4) OVC @ MVFC, where if the MVFC finds a way to win, they will go to a (4) Big Sky. I suppose you think it would be worse for the Big Sky/MVFC teams if they did not have to face creampuffs (each other) and instead had to play the powerhouses from the other conferences. I see. xcrazyxxcrazyxxcrazyxxcrazyx

EDIT: Sorry Professor, I see you already said this, so this is just another way of laying it out.

I can see Hooty's point that at least 3 (and most likely 4, sorry UT Martin) Big Sky/MVFC teams are guaranteed to make the quarters because of the way the bracket was drawn up, and how he's upset that many will use that to tout the "superiority" of those two conferences. What he fails to see though, is that there are 7 teams from those two conferences that have ZERO percent chance of making the quarters. Of the leagues with multiple bids, only the AQ7 has a team with 0% chance of making the quarters as SFA/SHSU would meet in the 2nd round. Otherwise, 100% of CAA teams can make the quarters, 100% of Southland teams can make the quarters. At most 60% of Big Sky teams can make the quarters, and 67% of MVFC teams can make quarters, and taken together only 36% of the Big Sky/MVFC teams can make the quarters.

Ideally the 11 Big Sky/MVFC teams would be spread evenly over the eight 3-team pods instead of condensed into only 4 of them. I'd even be happy if they were spread out into 6 of the pods.

[Professor Chaos]

I can see Hooty's point that at least 3 (and most likely 4, sorry UT Martin) Big Sky/MVFC teams are guaranteed to make the quarters because of the way the bracket was drawn up, and how he's upset that many will use that to tout the "superiority" of those two conferences. What he fails to see though, is that there are 7 teams from those two conferences that have ZERO percent chance of making the quarters. Of the leagues with multiple bids, only the AQ7 has a team with 0% chance of making the quarters as SFA/SHSU would meet in the 2nd round. Otherwise, 100% of CAA teams can make the quarters, 100% of Southland teams can make the quarters. At most 60% of Big Sky teams can make the quarters, and 67% of MVFC teams can make quarters, and taken together only 36% of the Big Sky/MVFC teams can make the quarters.

Ideally the 11 Big Sky/MVFC teams would be spread evenly over the eight 3-team pods instead of condensed into only 4 of them. I'd even be happy if they were spread out into 6 of the pods.
The quarterfinals and beyond will tell the tale about how good/not good the Big Sky and MVFC are in relation to the rest of the FCS. All 4 quarterfinals will likely be MVFC/Big Sky vs another conference. If chalk holds and SHSU and JMU make it that far they'll be hosting their quarterfinal vs an MVFC/Big Sky team so that wouldn't be an excuse either. Of course both those teams are gone from the playoffs for good after this year so the balance of power in the FCS is all the more likely to tip further towards the Big Sky and MVFC moving forward.

[caribbeanhen]

Back when those bowls were small college bowls, before the playoff. NDSU played in the Pecan, Grantland Rice and Camelia Bowls. Beat Grambling in 1965 Pecan Bowl to win their first Championship. I remember watching them beat Montana a couple time in the Camelia Bowl.

The Cigar Bowl

where was that played ?

[lionsrking2]

The Cigar Bowl

where was that played ?
Tampa

[Chalupa Batman]

The Cigar Bowl

where was that played ?

It sounds like the game Willie played with Monica in DC back in the 90's

[caribbeanhen]

It sounds like the game Willie played with Monica in DC back in the 90's


Haha. Good one

The Cigar Bowl was played in Tampa, Fl and probably starred up just after WWII

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Tampa

Yes Sir!

[MR. CHICKEN]

....1946....(START UH BOOMER GENERATION)............MR. CHICKEN...BOOMED IN 1947............CIGAR BOWL.....DELAWARE 21....ROLLINS 7................AWK!

[CHIP72]

The Cigar Bowl

where was that played ?

Probably at a pool hall somewhere in Havana.