Ivy League: The Final Week for 2021

[bonarae]

OK, weeks go by so fast. When will the Ivy champion join the playoffs or replace the MEAC in the Celebration Bowl? Within my lifetime? (I'm turning 32 Thanksgiving weekend)

Dartmouth at Brown
Harvard at Yale - what's with the Elis ATM?
Princeton at Penn
Columbia at Cornell - Archer is canned after this game.

[Ivytalk]

OK, weeks go by so fast. When will the Ivy champion join the playoffs or replace the MEAC in the Celebration Bowl? Within my lifetime? (I'm turning 32 Thanksgiving weekend)

Dartmouth at Brown
Harvard at Yale - what's with the Elis ATM?
Princeton at Penn
Columbia at Cornell - Archer is canned after this game.

I agree with these picks.

And I’d be surprised if the Harvard-Yale crowd exceeds 45K, and it might be thousands less. It’s a battle for third place.

[bulldog10jw]

Dartmouth
Yale
Princeton
Cornell

My early guess for Harvard- Yale is 40k. When was the last time Yale and Harvard played at the Bowl and, one or the other didn't control their own destiny?

[Ivytalk]

Dartmouth
Yale
Princeton
Cornell

My early guess for Harvard- Yale is 40k. When was the last time Yale and Harvard played at the Bowl and, one or the other didn't control their own destiny?

To answer your question, it might have been 2011. Harvard went undefeated in league play and had clinched the title the week before. Harvard beat Yale at the Bowl that year, but the Bulldogs ended up in a tie for second with three league losses.

[bulldog10jw]

Of course Harvard SHOULD be in control of their destiny

[caribbeanhen]

OK, weeks go by so fast. When will the Ivy champion join the playoffs or replace the MEAC in the Celebration Bowl? Within my lifetime? (I'm turning 32 Thanksgiving weekend)

Dartmouth at Brown
Harvard at Yale - what's with the Elis ATM?
Princeton at Penn
Columbia at Cornell - Archer is canned after this game.

if you’re only 32 you just might see it

FCS needs to have this game

[Ivytalk]

Of course Harvard SHOULD be in control of their destiny

Thanks to those zebras at the Princeton game, that’s right. But, hey, Harvard’s had a better year than its 2019 collapse. Looking forward to a good Game next week!

[Ivytalk]

OK, weeks go by so fast. When will the Ivy champion join the playoffs or replace the MEAC in the Celebration Bowl? Within my lifetime? (I'm turning 32 Thanksgiving weekend)

Dartmouth at Brown
Harvard at Yale - what's with the Elis ATM?
Princeton at Penn
Columbia at Cornell - Archer is canned after this game.
So you’ve been posting here since about ninth grade? That’s awesome!xthumbsupxxbowx

[Go Green]

It’s a battle for third place.

If Dartmouth *and* Princeton both lose their games on Saturday, then the winner of the H-Y game will get a share of the title.

If Dartmouth or Princeton lose, then the winner of the H-Y game gets a tie for second.

I do agree that it is highly likely that the H-Y game will indeed be for third place.

[Son of Eli]

OK, weeks go by so fast. When will the Ivy champion join the playoffs or replace the MEAC in the Celebration Bowl? Within my lifetime? (I'm turning 32 Thanksgiving weekend)

Dartmouth at Brown
Harvard at Yale - what's with the Elis ATM?
Princeton at Penn
Columbia at Cornell - Archer is canned after this game.

I agree with these picks.

[CHIP72]

Hopefully Penn can shock everyone and crush Princeton's hopes of an Ivy League title or co-title.

[bulldog10jw]

To answer your question, it might have been 2011. Harvard went undefeated in league play and had clinched the title the week before. Harvard beat Yale at the Bowl that year, but the Bulldogs ended up in a tie for second with three league losses.

It looks like it was 2013. Princeton lost to Dartmouth on the final weekend to allow Harvard to tie for the title.

[Go Green]

It looks like it was 2013. Princeton lost to Dartmouth on the final weekend to allow Harvard to tie for the title.

Is there are reason why the game being at the Bowl has significance to this inquiry? Neither H nor Y had any shot at the title in 2018 either (although the game was at Fenway).

[bulldog10jw]

Is there are reason why the game being at the Bowl has significance to this inquiry? Neither H nor Y had any shot at the title in 2018 either (although the game was at Fenway).

I suppose I could have included Harvard Stadium. I knew about 2018 and Fenway.

[kdinva]

Dartmouth 34; Brown 14
Harvard 27; Yale 21
Princeton 34; Penn 20
Columbia 34; Cornell 24


{road teams sweep}

[NY Crusader 2010]

Dartmouth
Yale
Princeton
Columbia

[dgtw]

if you’re only 32 you just might see it

FCS needs to have this game

I’m 54. Will I?


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[Ivytalk]

Hopefully Penn can shock everyone and crush Princeton's hopes of an Ivy League title or co-title.

Pruck Finceton!:)

For that matter, Duck Fartmouth!:D

[Go Green]

For that matter, Duck Fartmouth!:D

You guys still owe us for beating Princeton in football in 2013 (allowing you to share the title with the Tigers)

Dartmouth Spoils Princeton's Bid For Outright Ivy League Title - Dartmouth College Athletics (dartmouthsports.com) (https://dartmouthsports.com/news/2013/11/23/209321517.aspx)

and for beating Yale in basketball in 2015 (allowing you to share the title with the Elis).

Big Green Win Thriller Over Yale in Final Second, 59-58 - Dartmouth College Athletics (dartmouthsports.com) (https://dartmouthsports.com/news/2015/3/7/209933762.aspx)

What have you guys ever done for us? :)

[Ivytalk]

You guys still owe us for beating Princeton in football in 2013 (allowing you to share the title with the Tigers)

Dartmouth Spoils Princeton's Bid For Outright Ivy League Title - Dartmouth College Athletics (dartmouthsports.com) (https://dartmouthsports.com/news/2013/11/23/209321517.aspx)

and for beating Yale in basketball in 2015 (allowing you to share the title with the Elis).

Big Green Win Thriller Over Yale in Final Second, 59-58 - Dartmouth College Athletics (dartmouthsports.com) (https://dartmouthsports.com/news/2015/3/7/209933762.aspx)

What have you guys ever done for us? :)
Provided steady employment at a good wage.:)

[Go Green]

Provided steady employment at a good wage.:)

Harvard basketball coach Tommy Amaker reportedly tells his players not to waste their energy arguing with referees because they're always going to make calls against Harvard.

I suspect that comments like the above are part of the reasons why Amaker's players find themselves in that predicament.

:)

[Ivytalk]

Harvard basketball coach Tommy Amaker reportedly tells his players not to waste their energy arguing with referees because they're always going to make calls against Harvard.

I suspect that comments like the above are part of the reasons why Amaker's players find themselves in that predicament.

:)
There’s that puckish Dartmouth sense of humor. Nothing’s changed in 50 years.:)

[Laker]

OK, weeks go by so fast. When will the Ivy champion join the playoffs or replace the MEAC in the Celebration Bowl? Within my lifetime? (I'm turning 32 Thanksgiving weekend)

I sure hope so. It would be great for the FCS. I never have understood why they discriminate against one sport.

[ngineer]

Dartmouth 42-12
Harvard 28-17
Princeton 30-10
Columbia 27-13

[ngineer]

Any idea whether the IL and PL have their schedules set as between our conferences for next year?

[bulldog10jw]

Yale still has, I believe, five years left on the contract to play Holy Cross yearly. The other OOC games are Mercer (supposedly) and that always dangerous opponent TBA.

[caribbeanhen]

Another season of disappointment for the Ivies

No playoffs and no Bowl game with the SWAC

[Ivytalk]

This year, 2-8 Lehigh plays 3-7 Lafayette in their rivalry game. bulldog, do you remember any years where both H and Y had such terrible records heading into The Game? I recall years where one or the other was bad, but not both at the same time.

[NY Crusader 2010]

Yale still has, I believe, five years left on the contract to play Holy Cross yearly. The other OOC games are Mercer (supposedly) and that always dangerous opponent TBA.

I imagine a couple of additional dates with UCONN will materialize between now and 2030.

Why hasn't the Columbia-Fordham series resumed?

[NY Crusader 2010]

I sure hope so. It would be great for the FCS. I never have understood why they discriminate against one sport.

Archaic bull****. The postseason ban far predates the Ivy relegation to I-AA.

Sort of how they still call the Ivy League Championship track meet "Heptagonals" even though there have been 8 schools in the conference since Brown joined in the fifties. At least that's kind of hip and cool though. Not allowing athletes to pursue a national title in their sport is kind of...uncool.

[bulldog10jw]

This year, 2-8 Lehigh plays 3-7 Lafayette in their rivalry game. bulldog, do you remember any years where both H and Y had such terrible records heading into The Game? I recall years where one or the other was bad, but not both at the same time.

Just off the top of my head, there were a couple of years in the 80s, 1986 and 1988 when both teams were bad.

Strange since both were good in 1987 and played for the championship in the Ice Bowl.

I'm not sure about the 90's. Cozza had some bad teams as did Jack when he first took over in 1997.

Since Murphy started winning yearly in 2001, has Harvard even had any losing records? Besides 2019 and that was a hard luck team.

[NY Crusader 2010]

Just off the top of my head, there were a couple of years in the 80s, 1986 and 1988 when both teams were bad.

Strange since both were good in 1987 and played for the championship in the Ice Bowl.

I'm not sure about the 90's. Cozza had some bad teams as did Jack when he first took over in 1997.

Since Murphy started winning yearly in 2001, has Harvard even had any losing records? Besides 2019 and that was a hard luck team.

No.

[crusader11]

1995 was a pretty bad year for Yale (3-7) and Harvard (2-8).

[CHIP72]

Archaic bull****. The postseason ban far predates the Ivy relegation to I-AA.

Sort of how they still call the Ivy League Championship track meet "Heptagonals" even though there have been 8 schools in the conference since Brown joined in the fifties. At least that's kind of hip and cool though. Not allowing athletes to pursue a national title in their sport is kind of...uncool.

It truly makes no sense considering football teams play once per week.

Ivy League teams have competed in the NCAA Basketball Tournament for many years...

[Ivytalk]

Just off the top of my head, there were a couple of years in the 80s, 1986 and 1988 when both teams were bad.

Strange since both were good in 1987 and played for the championship in the Ice Bowl.

I'm not sure about the 90's. Cozza had some bad teams as did Jack when he first took over in 1997.

Since Murphy started winning yearly in 2001, has Harvard even had any losing records? Besides 2019 and that was a hard luck team.
No. 2019 was Harvard’s first losing season since 1998. Murphy had 16 straight seasons with 7+ wins (2001-16).

[bulldog10jw]

And I’d be surprised if the Harvard-Yale crowd exceeds 45K, and it might be thousands less. It’s a battle for third place.

A poster on the Ivy Sports Board says 47,000 tickets have been sold according to people in the athletic Dept.

We will see.

Article from the Yale Daily News about the Harvard game and the lack of spectators at other games

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2021/11/19/y-h-spissue-is-yale-harvard-enough/

[Go Green]

A poster on the Ivy Sports Board says 47,000 tickets have been sold according to people in the athletic Dept.

We will see.

Article from the Yale Daily News about the Harvard game and the lack of spectators at other games

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2021/11/19/y-h-spissue-is-yale-harvard-enough/

If The Game was at Harvard this year, I think Dartmouth would beat Yale in attendance.

[Ivytalk]

A poster on the Ivy Sports Board says 47,000 tickets have been sold according to people in the athletic Dept.

We will see.

Article from the Yale Daily News about the Harvard game and the lack of spectators at other games

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2021/11/19/y-h-spissue-is-yale-harvard-enough/

The article is an accurate take, in my view. The Game is more of a social event than anything else nowadays. I know a Harvard kid that I interviewed who ended up marrying a classmate, and she dragged him to the Harvard-Yale game his senior year. It was the only Harvard FB game he ever attended.

I still believe that Yale alumni are generally more loyal than Harvard alums when it comes to sports. The only way I can explain the marginally higher Harvard home crowds for non-Yale games in recent years boils down to two factors:1. Harvard has at least one Friday night game a year, which is a big draw, and 2. slightly more Harvard undergrads make their way to the Stadium on Saturdays. Why, I don't know.

[Ivytalk]

If The Game was at Harvard this year, I think Dartmouth would beat Yale in attendance.

I don't follow you. This year, the Harvard-Dartmouth game drew 14K. Harvard-Yale at Harvard Stadium has not always sold out (in 1998, IIRC, there were several thousand empty seats), but Harvard-Dartmouth has never outdrawn The Game in a given year. Yale fans almost always fill half the Stadium. Dartmouth games do outdraw Princeton at Harvard, however.

[bulldog10jw]

I don't follow you. This year, the Harvard-Dartmouth game drew 14K. Harvard-Yale at Harvard Stadium has not always sold out (in 1998, IIRC, there were several thousand empty seats), but Harvard-Dartmouth has never outdrawn The Game in a given year. Yale fans almost always fill half the Stadium. Dartmouth games do outdraw Princeton at Harvard, however.

He must mean total attendance for the year.

[Ivytalk]

Oh, and my fearless prediction is that Harvard's strong defense will prevail tomorrow over Yale's more prolific offense. Harvard 24, Yale 17.

[Ivytalk]

He must mean total attendance for the year.

Right. That's the only way it makes sense. That said, how many times did Dartmouth draw 10K fans at home thus year? Even 8,000?

[Go Green]

I don't follow you. This year, the Harvard-Dartmouth game drew 14K. Harvard-Yale at Harvard Stadium has not always sold out (in 1998, IIRC, there were several thousand empty seats), but Harvard-Dartmouth has never outdrawn The Game in a given year. Yale fans almost always fill half the Stadium. Dartmouth games do outdraw Princeton at Harvard, however.

I'm positing that if you add up the attendance for the games at the Yale Bowl this year (other than Harvard), and you add up the attendance for games at Memorial Field this year, the Memorial Field average may be higher.

Historically, that's remarkable.

[Go Green]

how many times did Dartmouth draw 10K fans at home thus year?

Once.

Football vs Yale on 10/9/2021 - Box Score - Dartmouth College Athletics (dartmouthsports.com) (https://dartmouthsports.com/sports/football/stats/2021/yale/boxscore/9751)

[DFW HOYA]

Just for fun, a look back at attendance for these games:

Harvard at Yale
50 years ago, 1971: 51,238
20 years ago, 1991: 40,091
10 years ago, 2011: 55,137
2 years ago: 2019: 44,989

Dartmouth at Brown
50 years ago, 1971: 10,381
20 years ago, 1991: 6,111
10 years ago, 2011: 4,028
2 years ago: 2019: 3,264

Princeton at Penn
50 years ago, 1971: 21,000
20 years ago, 1991: 25,617
10 years ago, 2011: 17,179
2 years ago: 2019: 7,898

Columbia at Cornell
50 years ago, 1971: 23,000
20 years ago, 1991: 5,000
10 years ago, 2011: 6,128
2 years ago: 2019: 3,744

Source: Ivy League Records, online.

[Go Green]

That's the only way it makes sense.

And yes, you are correct that it would be nonsensical to read my comment any other way.

:)

[bulldog10jw]

Harvard favored by 6.5

O/U - 48.5

[Go Green]

Harvard favored by 6.5

O/U - 48.5

I'd take Yale and the points.

And the under.

[Ivytalk]

I'd take Yale and the points.

And the under.
Let the hate flow through you….I feel your anger.xflamemadx

[Ivytalk]

Just for fun, a look back at attendance for these games:

Harvard at Yale
50 years ago, 1971: 51,238
20 years ago, 1991: 40,091
10 years ago, 2011: 55,137
2 years ago: 2019: 44,989

Dartmouth at Brown
50 years ago, 1971: 10,381
20 years ago, 1991: 6,111
10 years ago, 2011: 4,028
2 years ago: 2019: 3,264

Princeton at Penn
50 years ago, 1971: 21,000
20 years ago, 1991: 25,617
10 years ago, 2011: 17,179
2 years ago: 2019: 7,898

Columbia at Cornell
50 years ago, 1971: 23,000
20 years ago, 1991: 5,000
10 years ago, 2011: 6,128
2 years ago: 2019: 3,744

Source: Ivy League Records, online.
The 2019 numbers strike me as about right for this year, in each case.

But I’m tempted to take the under on Dartmouth-Brown.

[DFW HOYA]

The 2019 numbers strike me as about right for this year, in each case.

But I’m tempted to take the under on Dartmouth-Brown.

When did the bottom drop out of the Princeton-Penn series?

[Ivytalk]

When did the bottom drop out of the Princeton-Penn series?

Princeton has been on an upward trajectory lately, while Penn has trended down. It’s been several years since they played a mutually meaningful game. In 2016, when the two teams tied for the Ivy title, Princeton shut out Penn at Princeton, 28-0. That game drew just 7,367. Princeton’s only loss that year was an OT loss to Harvard at home. That game attracted 9,963. Princeton hasn’t exactly been packing them in, despite its recent success.

[Go Green]

When did the bottom drop out of the Princeton-Penn series?

Other than 1993, when was it ever good?

Like Duke-North Carolina, UCLA-Arizona, Kentucky-Indiana, it's a hell of a basketball rivalry.

Football, not so much.

[bulldog10jw]

Harvard 34 Yale 31

Harvard TD with less than 30 seconds left to win it.

Congrats to Ivytalk

[bonarae]

Princeton and Dartmouth share the Ivy title.

Thanks for a great season.

Is anyone from the Ivy contingent on AGS following other conferences' teams in the playoffs? I'll be rooting for ETSU and Sacramento State.

[Ivytalk]

It was another thriller, that’s for sure! Thanks, bulldog. See you next season.

[crusader11]

Is anyone from the Ivy contingent on AGS following other conferences' teams in the playoffs? I'll be rooting for ETSU and Sacramento State.

I'll be saddened to learn if our friends in the Ivy aren't pulling for Holy Cross.

[Ivytalk]

I certainly am! Go, ‘Saders!

[bonarae]

I'll be saddened to learn if our friends in the Ivy aren't pulling for Holy Cross.

Holy Cross won't go far in the playoffs, IMHO. You're my 3rd team to root for in the playoffs. xpeacex

[Go Green]

I'll be saddened to learn if our friends in the Ivy aren't pulling for Holy Cross.

I am!!

[bulldog10jw]

I'll be saddened to learn if our friends in the Ivy aren't pulling for Holy Cross.

We all are

[Ivytalk]

Just edited my siggy for the off-season.

[bonarae]

We all are

I do not really understand why the Ivy football fans tend to follow the PL champion in the FCS playoffs. I am a different animal, though. (ETSU is the alma mater of two cousins, that will explain why the Bucs are my 2nd team in FCS.)

[Ivytalk]

I do not really understand why the Ivy football fans tend to follow the PL champion in the FCS playoffs. I am a different animal, though. (ETSU is the alma mater of two cousins, that will explain why the Bucs are my 2nd team in FCS.)
Do you have family ties to Harvard as well? Or Chicago? Or MIT?

It’s really easy to explain the affinity that some Ivy fans feel for the PL in the playoffs. OOC scheduling over the years. It generates some friendly rivalries, like Harvard-HC and Penn-Lehigh.

[Pard4Life]

Do you have family ties to Harvard as well? Or Chicago? Or MIT?

It’s really easy to explain the affinity that some Ivy fans feel for the PL in the playoffs. OOC scheduling over the years. It generates some friendly rivalries, like Harvard-HC and Penn-Lehigh.

Also that Lafayette was the first non-Ivy to win a national football title. Lafayette was considering being admitted to the 'Ivy' club back in the day but our unruly football behavior prevented it. Plus we had a long-standing rivalry with Penn. And LC is an associate member of the Princeton Club, and I feel like most grads somehow end up Penn for masters. So, it Patriot-Ivy seems like a natural partnership. The Patriot League was also founded on the Ivy and model and the Ivy wanted to have some non-conference foes to beat-up so we did their bidding.

[bulldog10jw]

Congratulations to Go Green on Dartmouth's co-championship

[Go Green]

Congratulations to Go Green on Dartmouth's co-championship

I still can't believe that it's Dartmouth's first repeat as champions since my playing days. :)

[MR. CHICKEN]

Do you have family ties to Harvard as well? Or Chicago? Or MIT?

It’s really easy to explain the affinity that some Ivy fans feel for the PL in the playoffs. OOC scheduling over the years. It generates some friendly rivalries, like Harvard-HC and Penn-Lehigh.

......MAH COUSIN.....HEN-RY....TRIMS DUH IVY......AWQ!

[BEAR]

I still can't believe that it's Dartmouth's first repeat as champions since my playing days. :)

Hey how do players pay for attending Dartmouth if they don't get athletic schollys? Dartmouth is looking at someone I know and they researched the school to learn about and saw tuition was MEGA high...

[DFW HOYA]

Hey how do players pay for attending Dartmouth if they don't get athletic schollys? Dartmouth is looking at someone I know and they researched the school to learn about and saw tuition was MEGA high...

https://financialaid.dartmouth.edu/news/2022/01/universal-need-blind-admissions-policy

[BEAR]

https://financialaid.dartmouth.edu/news/2022/01/universal-need-blind-admissions-policy

I ran that cost calculator...$80k a year to attend and the scholly would be $70k of it. Nice.

[BEAR]

Now Harvard is looking at him! He got a letter from the head coach today. Kinda cool considering it's so far away...