AGS Poll Results - Week 8 - 2021

[AGSPoll]

10/25/2021

Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
Sam Houston Bearkats
1362
44


2
North Dakota State Bison
1328
11


3
Southern Illinois Salukis
1250



4
Villanova Wildcats
1195



5
Montana State Bobcats
1118



6
James Madison Dukes
1097



7T
Eastern Washington Eagles
1025



7T
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
1025



9
UC Davis Aggies
886



10
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
844



11
Montana Grizzlies
754



12
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
708



13
Kennesaw State Owls
623



14
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
601



15
Northern Iowa Panthers
577



16
Sac State Hornets
521



17
Missouri State Bears
488



18
Princeton Tigers
444



19
South Dakota Coyotes
412



20
Virginia Military Institute Keydets
382



21
Incarnate Word Cardinals
253



22
Jackson State Tigers
190



23
Weber State Wildcats
160



24
Harvard Crimson
144



25
Chattanooga Mocs
127
















ORV:




26
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
108



27
William & Mary Tribe
72



28
Mercer Bears
65



29
Rhode Island Rams
48



30
Monmouth Hawks
16



31
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
15



32T
Dartmouth Big Green
9



32T
Holy Cross Crusaders
9



34
Columbia Lions
8




















































Most Significant Win:
Weber State Wildcats






Most Significant Loss:
Eastern Washington Eagles

[Professor Chaos]

This week's poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-8-top-25-results-3/

Jackson St made their first appearance in the AGS Top 25 since 2011 and the first appearance by any SWAC team since Grambling in the final poll of the 2017 season. 12 of the top 25 are in the Big Sky and MVFC. I'm not sure the last time we only had 2 CAA teams in the top 25 but I wonder if it's ever happened before?

[crusader11]

Glad to see Harvard is still in the top 25 after the officials robbed them of a victory in Princeton.

[Chalupa Batman]

I find it fitting that SLU & EWU are tied. Two best offenses with the 2 best QB’s, and overall very evenly matched.

[atthewbon]

Here’s mine:

1. Sam Houston
2. NDSU
3. Southern Illinois
4. Villanova
5. Montana st
6. JMU
7. Eastern Washington
8. Southeastern Louisiana
9. Kennesaw st
10. Northern Iowa
11. Montana
12. SDSU
13. UC Davis
14. UT Martin
15. ETSU
16. Missouri st
17. South Dakota
18. Sacramento st
19. VMI
20. Princeton
21. Harvard
22. Jackson st
23. Weber st
24. North Dakota
25. Mercer

I was pretty busy this week so put it together quickly. Still feel like it was pretty solid with only a few discrepancies from the rest of the poll. I was higher on Kennesaw and UNI and lower on UC Davis.

[Chalupa Batman]

This week's poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-8-top-25-results-3/

Jackson St made their first appearance in the AGS Top 25 since 2011 and the first appearance by any SWAC team since Grambling in the final poll of the 2017 season. 12 of the top 25 are in the Big Sky and MVFC. I'm not sure the last time we only had 2 CAA teams in the top 25 but I wonder if it's ever happened before?

Only 34 teams receiving votes. Is this a new low?

[Professor Chaos]

Glad to see Harvard is still in the top 25 after the officials robbed them of a victory in Princeton.
I'll be kind of interested to see the spread between the two in the ballots that are posted. A 300 point spread between the two in the consensus is A LOT in my opinion when Princeton won at home in 5 OTs (with a admitted mistake made costing Harvard the game winning 2PT conversion). I don't see how you can have Princeton more than one or two spots above Harvard right now given that game and each team's results to this point in the season. You could even plausibly put Harvard in front of them.

[Professor Chaos]

Here's mine... not too happy with my 9-18 teams... just had my brain in a pretzel trying to figure out how to place those teams in relation to each other.

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Southern Illinois Salukis
4: Villanova Wildcats
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
9: UC Davis Aggies
10: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: Northern Iowa Panthers
13: Missouri State Bears
14: Kennesaw State Owls
15: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
16: Sac State Hornets
17: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
18: South Dakota Coyotes
19: Princeton Tigers
20: Harvard Crimson
21: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
22: Incarnate Word Cardinals
23: Jackson State Tigers
24: Weber State Wildcats
25: Chattanooga Mocs

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Only 34 teams receiving votes. Is this a new low?

Less than 5 points are not listed but there were on a few of those.

[HensRock]

This week's poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-8-top-25-results-3/

Jackson St made their first appearance in the AGS Top 25 since 2011 and the first appearance by any SWAC team since Grambling in the final poll of the 2017 season. 12 of the top 25 are in the Big Sky and MVFC. I'm not sure the last time we only had 2 CAA teams in the top 25 but I wonder if it's ever happened before?


Since I run 2 weekly pools based on the AGS Top 25 over on GoHens.net, I have a record of every AGS Poll since 2005 (except for 2014)

I just ran a query and the CAA has never had less than 3 teams in the Top 25 in my records.

[Chalupa Batman]

Less than 5 points are not listed but there were on a few of those.

I knew there was a cutoff but I thought it was total number of teams listed at 40. Before I asked and looked dumb I looked at the week 6 poll and Stephen F. Austin was in at #40 with 1 point which is why I thought only 34 got any votes this week.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I knew there was a cutoff but I thought it was total number of teams listed at 40. Before I asked and looked dumb I looked at the week 6 poll and Stephen F. Austin was in at #40 with 1 point which is why I thought only 34 got any votes this week.

It wasn't a dumb question my man, I used to do it that way (5) and 40 total teams years ago, then I just listed 40 if we had them. I got sick of the silly make work for teams tied at 1 or 2 pts. going into the 40, 41, 42 spaces etc. so I changed it back last week to needing at least 5.

[Chalupa Batman]

I'll be kind of interested to see the spread between the two in the ballots that are posted. A 300 point spread between the two in the consensus is A LOT in my opinion when Princeton won at home in 5 OTs (with a admitted mistake made costing Harvard the game winning 2PT conversion). I don't see how you can have Princeton more than one or two spots above Harvard right now given that game and each team's results to this point in the season. You could even plausibly put Harvard in front of them.

I put in my poll last night but I realized this morning before the poll came out I screwed this up and had way too much room between them. Have to decide next week if I was too high on Princeton or too low on Harvard.

[OhioHen]

Only 34 teams receiving votes. Is this a new low?

I know at least two others that received votes as my 24 (2 points) and 25 (1 point) aren't listed.

[Daytripper]

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Southern Illinois Salukis
4: Villanova Wildcats
5: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
6: James Madison Dukes
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: UC Davis Aggies
10: Kennesaw State Owls
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
13: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
14: Missouri State Bears
15: Princeton Tigers
16: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
17: Northern Iowa Panthers
18: Sac State Hornets
19: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
20: South Dakota Coyotes
21: Jackson State Tigers
22: Chattanooga Mocs
23: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
24: Mercer Bears
25: Harvard Crimson

[POD Knows]

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: Southern Illinois Salukis
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: James Madison Dukes
9: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
10: Kennesaw State Owls
11: UC Davis Aggies
12: Sac State Hornets
13: Princeton Tigers
14: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
15: Montana Grizzlies
16: South Dakota Coyotes
17: Missouri State Bears
18: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
19: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
20: Jackson State Tigers
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Mercer Bears
23: Chattanooga Mocs
24: Weber State Wildcats
25: Eastern Kentucky Colonels

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Weber State Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota State Jackrabbits

[smilo]

Harvard's ranking is a disgrace and way more people care about W-L of mediocre teams than historically.

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Southern Illinois Salukis
4: Villanova Wildcats
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Northern Iowa Panthers
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
11: Sac State Hornets
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Missouri State Bears
14: UC Davis Aggies
15: Princeton Tigers
16: Harvard Crimson
17: Weber State Wildcats
18: South Dakota Coyotes
19: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
20: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
21: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
22: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
23: Kennesaw State Owls
24: Incarnate Word Cardinals
25: Chattanooga Mocs

[GoBlueHens83]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston Bearkats
3: Villanova Wildcats
4: Southern Illinois Salukis
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: UC Davis Aggies
8: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Princeton Tigers
13: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
14: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
15: Sac State Hornets
16: Montana Grizzlies
17: Harvard Crimson
18: Missouri State Bears
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
21: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
22: Kennesaw State Owls
23: Jackson State Tigers
24: Mercer Bears
25: Incarnate Word Cardinals

[smilo]

Everybody seems high on Montana State but me. The 6 point win at Weber was 'nice', but JMU was far more convincing. The Wyoming close loss is looking less impressive by the week. I watch a ton of Wyoming, and short of late heroics, Wyoming "shoulda" lost both the NIU and UConn games which would put them 1-5 against the FBS. Think Bobcats will beat UM this year, but I need to see them against EWU before awarding this resume a top 8 seed.

[Professor Chaos]

Everybody seems high on Montana State but me. The 6 point win at Weber was 'nice', but JMU was far more convincing. The Wyoming close loss is looking less impressive by the week. I watch a ton of Wyoming, and short of late heroics, Wyoming "shoulda" lost both the NIU and UConn games which would put them 1-5 against the FBS. Think Bobcats will beat UM this year, but I need to see them against EWU before awarding this resume a top 8 seed.
I'd say the same criticism can be made of Southeastern Louisiana. They haven't beaten an FCS team with a winning record and they're one of Louisiana Tech's 2 wins so far this season yet they're now up to #7 in the consensus. They do have Incarnate Word in a couple weeks but I'd say the jury is still out on how good the Lions really are and we may not really find out until the playoffs.

It's also worth noting that they didn't play a home game until 10/16 though.

[smilo]

I'd say the same criticism can be made of Southeastern Louisiana. They haven't beaten an FCS team with a winning record and they're one of Louisiana Tech's 2 wins so far this season yet they're now up to #7 in the consensus. They do have Incarnate Word in a couple weeks but I'd say the jury is still out on how good the Lions really are and we may not really find out until the playoffs.

It's also worth noting that they didn't play a home game until 10/16 though.

Great point, I'll have to take that into consideration next week. The Nichols win lost its luster. #1 offense in the FCS, those skill positions scare me but can they stop any top 10-15 offense even once? Must mean I am disrespecting MSU's #1 Defense.

Must admit though LT gave a healthy scare to two FBS Top 25 teams and had a middle of the road SEC team dead to rights. They'll get to bowl eligiblity with an outside chance of 7-5.

[caribbeanhen]

Since I run 2 weekly pools based on the AGS Top 25 over on GoHens.net, I have a record of every AGS Poll since 2005 (except for 2014)

I just ran a query and the CAA hhias never had less than 3 teams in the Top 25 in my records.

HR, seems like AGS is up to speed on CAA now

the caveat being JMU. They didn’t look as good as they have been in the past. Still a capable team though

[HensRock]

HR, seems like AGS is up to speed on CAA now

the caveat being JMU. They didn’t look as good as they have been in the past. Still a capable team though

Agreed. Stats and Coaches polls are still a bit slow to adjust.

Interesting history look through the old AGS Poll results. There were times when the CAA had as many as 8 teams ranked.
Ahhh, Those were the days!

Here is the AGS Top 25 from 2009, Week 2. CAA Had 8 teams including 5 of the top 7, plus future member Elon



#1
Richmond


#2
Villanova


#3
Northern Iowa


#4
Montana


#5
William & Mary


#6
New Hampshire


#7
James Madison


#8
Southern Illinois


#9
Elon


#10
Appalachian St.


#11
McNeese St.


#12
Cal Poly


#13
Weber St.


#14
Wofford


#15
Central Arkansas


#16
Massachusetts


#17
South Carolina St.


#18
South Dakota St.


#19
Maine


#20
Delaware


#21
Furman


#22
Texas St.


#23
Eastern Washington


#24
Eastern Kentucky


#25
Liberty

[MSUBobcat]

Harvard's ranking is a disgrace and way more people care about W-L of mediocre teams than historically.

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Southern Illinois Salukis
4: Villanova Wildcats
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Northern Iowa Panthers
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
11: Sac State Hornets
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Missouri State Bears
14: UC Davis Aggies
15: Princeton Tigers
16: Harvard Crimson
17: Weber State Wildcats
18: South Dakota Coyotes
19: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
20: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
21: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
22: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
23: Kennesaw State Owls
24: Incarnate Word Cardinals
25: Chattanooga Mocs


Everybody seems high on Montana State but me. The 6 point win at Weber was 'nice', but JMU was far more convincing. The Wyoming close loss is looking less impressive by the week. I watch a ton of Wyoming, and short of late heroics, Wyoming "shoulda" lost both the NIU and UConn games which would put them 1-5 against the FBS. Think Bobcats will beat UM this year, but I need to see them against EWU before awarding this resume a top 8 seed.

You have them at #9. That may be a bit below the consensus, but still pretty damn high. I like our defense and running game overall, but the offense has been a question mark IMO. #9 might be higher than I would put them. You could easily slide SDSU past them in your poll and I still have no issues with that. Probably Sac State too, considering their best win (UM in Missoula) is probably better than our best win (Weber in Ogden). I might not even argue against putting the Ivies you have at 15 and 16 ahead of MSU, given that I haven't watched them and know very little about them due to their insular scheduling that has been discussed ad nauseum. I think a person could make a case for putting MSU as far down as 14 pretty easily.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Villanova Wildcats
4: Southern Illinois Salukis
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: James Madison Dukes
9: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
10: UC Davis Aggies
11: Princeton Tigers
12: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
13: Montana Grizzlies
14: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
15: Kennesaw State Owls
16: Sac State Hornets
17: South Dakota Coyotes
18: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
19: Incarnate Word Cardinals
20: Missouri State Bears
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Harvard Crimson
23: Jackson State Tigers
24: Weber State Wildcats
25: Holy Cross Crusaders

The Most Significant Win: Weber State Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Dartmouth Big Green
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[TheKingpin28]

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Southern Illinois Salukis
4: Villanova Wildcats
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: James Madison Dukes
7: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
8: UC Davis Aggies
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Missouri State Bears
11: Montana Grizzlies
12: South Dakota Coyotes
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
15: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
16: Sac State Hornets
17: Kennesaw State Owls
18: Incarnate Word Cardinals
19: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
20: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
21: Princeton Tigers
22: Chattanooga Mocs
23: Harvard Crimson
24: Weber State Wildcats
25: Jackson State Tigers

There are not 16 teams better than Missouri State. It's that simple. You cant tell me NDSU is #2 and they are #17. That team that played crushed the first 3 quarters and it wasn't until Cam came in that NDSU looked like NDSU.

Also, Carson Camp being injured affected USeD position. I cant name 18 better teams than them unless Camp is expected to miss the rest of the season.

Maybe I am harsh on UTM, but I'll need yo watch more of them. That JSU game left a bad taste in my mouth and the conference as a whole, is quite bad. When a 2-6 team is in 2nd place for the conference, that should raise eyebrows.

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[mvemjsunpx]

Previous week in parentheses…


1. Sam Houston St. (1)
2. North Dakota St. (3)
3. Southern Illinois (4)
4. Villanova (6)
5. James Madison (7)
6. Eastern Washington (2)
7. Montana St. (8)
8. UC Davis (9)
9. East Tennessee St. (11)
10. Princeton (17)
11. Northern Iowa (18)
12. Southeastern Louisiana (10)
13. South Dakota St. (5)
14. Harvard (14)
15. Sacramento St. (19)
16. Missouri St. (12)
17. Tennessee-Martin (20)
18. Kennesaw St. (22)
19. Montana (23)
20. VMI (24)
21. Mercer (25)
22. Tennessee-Chattanooga (NR)
23. Columbia (NR)
24. Dartmouth (15)
25. Jackson St. (NR)

Dropped - South Dakota (13), Incarnate Word (16), Duquesne (21)


W - Weber St.
L - South Dakota

[HootyHoo]

I must say, I am proud of you guys for not voting Northern Iowa over ETSU and KSU. We are making progress!

[Chalupa Batman]

Here is mine. Like I said in an earlier post I screwed up by not having Princeton and Harvard paired closer together, will revisit that next week.

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Southern Illinois Salukis
4: Villanova Wildcats
5: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
10: Princeton Tigers
11: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
12: UC Davis Aggies
13: Kennesaw State Owls
14: Sac State Hornets
15: Missouri State Bears
16: Chattanooga Mocs
17: Northern Iowa Panthers
18: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
19: Harvard Crimson
20: Montana Grizzlies
21: South Dakota Coyotes
22: Jackson State Tigers
23: Weber State Wildcats
24: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
25: Incarnate Word Cardinals

The Most Significant Win: Northern Iowa Panthers
The Most Significant Loss: Dartmouth Big Green
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[caribbeanhen]

I must say, I am proud of you guys for not voting Northern Iowa over ETSU and KSU. We are making progress!

I hope N Iowa gets to play one of those teams

[dewey]

Here is my top 25. Please provide feedback as needed.

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston Bearkats
3: Southern Illinois Salukis
4: Villanova Wildcats
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: UC Davis Aggies
10: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
11: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Missouri State Bears
14: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
15: Northern Iowa Panthers
16: Sac State Hornets
17: South Dakota Coyotes
18: Princeton Tigers
19: Harvard Crimson
20: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
21: Incarnate Word Cardinals
22: Kennesaw State Owls
23: Chattanooga Mocs
24: Jackson State Tigers
25: Eastern Kentucky Colonels

dewey

The Most Significant Win: Weber State Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Eastern Washington Eagles
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Dewey

[Puddin Tane]

Gotta admit, i jumped on the Montana St bandwagon. Then looked at their schedule. I think I’ll adjust next week.

and yes, i have Sela high.

And i refuse to rank an Ivy. Sue me

[PantherRob82]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Sam Houston Bearkats
3: Villanova Wildcats
4: Southern Illinois Salukis
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
10: Northern Iowa Panthers
11: Sac State Hornets
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: UC Davis Aggies
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
16: Missouri State Bears
17: Jackson State Tigers
18: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
19: Kennesaw State Owls
20: Eastern Kentucky Colonels
21: South Dakota Coyotes
22: Chattanooga Mocs
23: Incarnate Word Cardinals
24: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
25: Rhode Island Rams

PantherRob82

The Most Significant Win: Weber State Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota Coyotes

[PantherRob82]

I must say, I am proud of you guys for not voting Northern Iowa over ETSU and KSU. We are making progress!

Yes...because their wins over....*crickets* sure are impressive.

I'm not high on UNI, but they have wins over 10 and 16 with losses to 2, 21 and a ranked FBS team. Not sure how you could even compare ETSU or KSU's resume.

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I hope N Iowa gets to play one of those teams

Can't we just get Monmouth again? xlolx

[HootyHoo]

Yes...because their wins over....*crickets* sure are impressive.

I'm not high on UNI, but they have wins over 10 and 16 with losses to 2, 21 and a ranked FBS team. Not sure how you could even compare ETSU or KSU's resume.

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Can't we just get Monmouth again? xlolx

It's quite easy to compare. ETSU has a win over an FBS opponent. I get it, Northern Iowa is probably ranked in the top 5 SOS in FCS. But at some point you have to reward winning over losing. Props to the big win over the bunnies tho.

[kdinva]

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: North Dakota State Bison
3: Southern Illinois Salukis
4: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: James Madison Dukes
9: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
10: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
11: UC Davis Aggies
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Kennesaw State Owls
14: Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
15: Northern Iowa Panthers
16: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
17: Missouri State Bears
18: Chattanooga Mocs
19: Princeton Tigers
20: Jackson State Tigers
21: Sac State Hornets
22: Rhode Island Rams
23: Incarnate Word Cardinals
24: South Dakota Coyotes
25: Weber State Wildcats

The Most Significant Win: Northern Iowa Panthers
The Most Significant Loss: Incarnate Word Cardinals

[dewey]

I hope N Iowa gets to play one of those teams

Agreed. Kennesaw State shouldn't want anything to do with Northern Iowa.

Dewey

[PantherRob82]

It's quite easy to compare. ETSU has a win over an FBS opponent. I get it, Northern Iowa is probably ranked in the top 5 SOS in FCS. But at some point you have to reward winning over losing. Props to the big win over the bunnies tho.

At some point you have to play someone?

It's like Harvard and Princeton. I looked over both their resumes and there isn't anything on there that indicates they are a top 25 team.

[caribbeanhen]

At some point you have to play someone?

It's like Harvard and Princeton. I looked over both their resumes and there isn't anything on there that indicates they are a top 25 team.

Harvard and Princeton would whip the Rhode Island team you ranked

[putter]

At some point you have to play someone?

It's like Harvard and Princeton. I looked over both their resumes and there isn't anything on there that indicates they are a top 25 team.

I agree with both. You have to have some challenges in your schedule and you have to win. If it was all about just playing people Dixie State could be #1

[PantherRob82]

Harvard and Princeton would whip the Rhode Island team you ranked

Maybe. I only came up with 21 teams worth ranking. The last 4 were tough. Harvard and Princeton don't play anyone so no way to tell how good they are.

[ElCid]

I agree with both. You have to have some challenges in your schedule and you have to win. If it was all about just playing people Dixie State could be #1

Exactly. Too many are ready to award participation points for a lot of loses to good teams. But going the other way is bad as well, all wins against so so or bad teams. It's a balance of SOS and W/Ls. I guess that gives all of us a reason to argue.

[PantherRob82]

Exactly. Too many are ready to award participation points for a lot of loses to good teams. But going the other way is bad as well, all wins against so so or bad teams. It's a balance of SOS and W/Ls. I guess that gives all of us a reason to argue.

Going 2-2 against Top 25 (1-1 against Top 10) seems like a stronger argument than going 0-0 against quality opponents.

It's not like we are arguing 0-4 against Top 25 vs 0-0.

[caribbeanhen]

Maybe. I only came up with 21 teams worth ranking. The last 4 were tough. Harvard and Princeton don't play anyone so no way to tell how good they are.

I was like you until about 3 years ago when I stumbled onto a Dartmouth game

I saw talent and was like....... I didn’t know

[clenz]

I was like you until about 3 years ago when I stumbled onto a Dartmouth game

I saw talent and was like....... I didn’t know
With the advent of the internet we've been able to watch Ivy league games for nearly 2 decades.

We can see the teams play. Anyone who is shocked at what the Ivy League does or doesn't have for talent was never paying attention to begin with.

[crusader11]

With the advent of the internet we've been able to watch Ivy league games for nearly 2 decades.

We can see the teams play. Anyone who is shocked at what the Ivy League does or doesn't have for talent was never paying attention to begin with.

Yup. Ivy League teams, particularly at the top of the league (HYP), routinely have several guys on their roster who have either transferred from or had offers to play at P5 schools. I think there are around 15 guys from the Ivy currently on NFL rosters.

It is a real shame though that the league doesn't collectively play a more interesting and challenging OOC. I don't think the schools and their presidents really care about games outside of the league, to be honest. They're happy with their seven Ivy opponents and mostly Patriot League schools making up their schedule.

It has been nice to see Dartmouth renew their rivalry with New Hampshire, Penn playing Villanova most years (sadly, not this one), Princeton playing Monmouth, Yale playing UConn, etc.

I think what most on this board -- myself included -- would like to see are the top Ivy teams play a game against the top of the MVC or CAA. That's the measuring stick.

[PantherRob82]

It hurts the Ivies that no one in the Patriot has stepped up. If Holy Cross or someone else had a strong team we might have some sort of comparison.

There is still a number of teams in the South playing teams that aren't even Division I. Seems like there isn't much excuse for that these days.

[MSUBobcat]

With the advent of the internet we've been able to watch Ivy league games for nearly 2 decades.

We can see the teams play. Anyone who is shocked at what the Ivy League does or doesn't have for talent was never paying attention to begin with.

I freely admit that I am part of this group . Nothing against the Ivies, but I just don't have enough free time to watch games between teams that my school will likely never face when there's plenty of other compelling games between teams that actually participate in the playoffs all over ESPN+. It just doesn't have any relevance to me.

[caribbeanhen]

With the advent of the internet we've been able to watch Ivy league games for nearly 2 decades.

We can see the teams play. Anyone who is shocked at what the Ivy League does or doesn't have for talent was never paying attention to begin with.

Ivies (sic) been plugging the good Ivy League teams on here for a few years, their are still plenty of people around like I was

[HootyHoo]

It hurts the Ivies that no one in the Patriot has stepped up. If Holy Cross or someone else had a strong team we might have some sort of comparison.

There is still a number of teams in the South playing teams that aren't even Division I. Seems like there isn't much excuse for that these days.

South Dakota State played Lindenwood so it's not just teams from the South.

[MR. CHICKEN]

Ivies (sic) been plugging the good Ivy League teams on here for a few years, their are still plenty of people around like I was


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[atthewbon]

South Dakota State played Lindenwood so it's not just teams from the South.

SDSU played Lindenwood because Tarelton st backed out. Idk about others scheduling D2 teams but that wasn’t the original schedule for SDSU. It doesn’t make sense for teams looking for a playoff seed to play a D2 team because the committee looks down on them even if the D2 team is better than a bad fcs team they could play instead.

[crusader11]

If Holy Cross or someone else had a strong team we might have some sort of comparison.



HC isn't in the top tier of FCS, but being in the 20-30 range makes us a strong team relative to the entire landscape.

[MSUBobcat]

SDSU played Lindenwood because Tarelton st backed out. Idk about others scheduling D2 teams but that wasn’t the original schedule for SDSU. It doesn’t make sense for teams looking for a playoff seed to play a D2 team because the committee looks down on them even if the D2 team is better than a bad fcs team they could play instead.

I agree that it doesn't make sense, but Hooty is right on this one. It's not just teams from the south. EWU insists on playing a lower level seemingly every year (CWU this year and 2018, Lindenwood in 2019, NAIA UM-Western in 2014, Western Oregon in 2013); Portland State played Western Oregon this year, Simon Fraser in 2019, NAIA College of Idaho in 2018, CWU in 2016, WOU again in 2015 and 2014, etc.; UM hasn't played a lower division since 2014 (not counting their 2 games last spring); MSU played WOU in 2016, Fort Lewis in 2015, Black Hills State in 2014, etc. Of course the difference is.... if you're FCS and NOT in the Big Sky Conference, you are many hundreds of miles away and those teams are MVFC, which is a big part of why the Big Sky-Missouri Valley "challenge series" came about in the first place. As I brought up in a previous thread, there are the "haves" out west that can now afford to pay the Drakes, the Wagners, even ETSU's, etc. to fly out for a one-off game instead of bringing in those lower level non-counters. And then there's some teams who aren't as fortunate, like a Portland State.

[atthewbon]

I agree that it doesn't make sense, but Hooty is right on this one. It's not just teams from the south. EWU insists on playing a lower level seemingly every year (CWU this year and 2018, Lindenwood in 2019, NAIA UM-Western in 2014, Western Oregon in 2013); Portland State played Western Oregon this year, Simon Fraser in 2019, NAIA College of Idaho in 2018, CWU in 2016, WOU again in 2015 and 2014, etc.; UM hasn't played a lower division since 2014 (not counting their 2 games last spring); MSU played WOU in 2016, Fort Lewis in 2015, Black Hills State in 2014, etc. Of course the difference is.... if you're FCS and NOT in the Big Sky Conference, you are many hundreds of miles away and those teams are MVFC, which is a big part of why the Big Sky-Missouri Valley "challenge series" came about in the first place. As I brought up in a previous thread, there are the "haves" out west that can now afford to pay the Drakes, the Wagners, even ETSU's, etc. to fly out for a one-off game instead of bringing in those lower level non-counters. And then there's some teams who aren't as fortunate, like a Portland State.

Oh yea I totally understand why teams do it. I just don't think it should hurt teams much more than playing a bad non-scholarship fcs team because there really isn't much of a difference. I also wish there were more things like the MVFC-Big Sky challenge as it's a good way to get the top teams to play each other.

[clenz]

The Big Sky MVFC challenge is a bunch of ****, FWIW

It started because a few schools (namely UNI on the MVFC side) made it a their duty to schedule only Big Sky teams in the OOC starting a decade ago. A few other schools did the same thing and after a few years of it the conference offices went "Let's call it a challenge!!!!"

A conference challenge is set up between the offices and games are scheduled and set by the offices.

This is nothing other than the schools were scheduling these games, and continue to schedule the games. There is no mandate to schedule them, AFAIK. There is no actual "challenge". It's literally league offices trying to take credit for something league members were already doing.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

The Big Sky MVFC challenge is a bunch of ****, FWIW

It started because a few schools (namely UNI on the MVFC side) made it a their duty to schedule only Big Sky teams in the OOC starting a decade ago. A few other schools did the same thing and after a few years of it the conference offices went "Let's call it a challenge!!!!"

A conference challenge is set up between the offices and games are scheduled and set by the offices.

This is nothing other than the schools were scheduling these games, and continue to schedule the games. There is no mandate to schedule them, AFAIK. There is no actual "challenge". It's literally league offices trying to take credit for something league members were already doing.

You are correct, who cares though. I wouldn't want the league offices to think they could set our schedule for OOC games anyway. It is there, so why not acknowledge it and hope other teams in each conferece think it's worthwhile and jump on in.

[Puddin Tane]

Oh yea I totally understand why teams do it. I just don't think it should hurt teams much more than playing a bad non-scholarship fcs team because there really isn't much of a difference. I also wish there were more things like the MVFC-Big Sky challenge as it's a good way to get the top teams to play each other.


There are just so many drakes and butlers to go around and the mvfc has a lock on them

theres some good d2 football down here, but id much rather play fcs. LU has been notorious for bringing in teams off craigslist. Buttttttt, we dont have that pesky “playoff implication” to worry about!

[PantherRob82]

South Dakota State played Lindenwood so it's not just teams from the South.

I'm saying there are plenty of division 1 teams in the area so there's no reason.

[PantherRob82]

There are only so many Midwest teams not in the valley. Basically Drake, Butler, Valpo, and Eastern Illinois. SEMO if you want to stretch

[clenz]

You are correct, who cares though. I wouldn't want the league offices to think they could set our schedule for OOC games anyway. It is there, so why not acknowledge it and hope other teams in each conferece think it's worthwhile and jump on in.
I understand.

I'm not a big fan of the initial "LOOK AT WHAT US IN THE CONFERENCE OFFICES DID SETTING THESE GAMES UP AS PART OF A CHALLENGE" thing they do, especially the first two years of it.

[Catbooster]

I'm saying there are plenty of division 1 teams in the area so there's no reason.
Yep. Unless I'm forgetting someone, the only FCS team close to any Big Sky teams is San Diego. A few teams can afford to pay FCS teams to fly in for a non-conference game but financially that doesn't make sense for quite a few of them, so they play an FBS game or two and bring in a relatively nearby DII or NAIA team so they can have a home non-conference game. In the East and South, there are lots of FCS teams close enough to play.

Actually - that's how it's been. This year we have several of those schools moving up to FCS (Dixie State, etc.). It ill be interesting to see how this affects Big Sky non-conference scheduling over the next few years.

[Professor Chaos]

There are only so many Midwest teams not in the valley. Basically Drake, Butler, Valpo, and Eastern Illinois. SEMO if you want to stretch


Yep. Unless I'm forgetting someone, the only FCS team close to any Big Sky teams is San Diego. A few teams can afford to pay FCS teams to fly in for a non-conference game but financially that doesn't make sense for quite a few of them, so they play an FBS game or two and bring in a relatively nearby DII or NAIA team so they can have a home non-conference game. In the East and South, there are lots of FCS teams close enough to play.

Actually - that's how it's been. This year we have several of those schools moving up to FCS (Dixie State, etc.). It ill be interesting to see how this affects Big Sky non-conference scheduling over the next few years.
Yup... there's a reason why Big Sky and MVFC fans whine the loudest about playoff regionalization.

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[Katfan]

There are just so many drakes and butlers to go around and the mvfc has a lock on them

theres some good d2 football down here, but id much rather play fcs. LU has been notorious for bringing in teams off craigslist. Buttttttt, we dont have that pesky “playoff implication” to worry about!
Yeah last time we scheduled a d2 they kicked our arse but we still made it to the semi’s!

[Serpentor]

Yeah last time we scheduled a d2 they kicked our arse but we still made it to the semi’s!

That team went on to win the Division II national championship, so it wasn’t AS embarrassing, but still…

[Serpentor]

There are just so many drakes and butlers to go around and the mvfc has a lock on them

theres some good d2 football down here, but id much rather play fcs. LU has been notorious for bringing in teams off craigslist. Buttttttt, we dont have that pesky “playoff implication” to worry about!

As long as they’re NCAA recognized teams, you should be fine. These non-sanctioned exhibition games on the other hand… Don’t be like HBU, Lamar, we expect better from you.

[Chalupa Batman]

I must say, I am proud of you guys for not voting Northern Iowa over ETSU and KSU. We are making progress!

If Kennesaw is still above UNI this week we are no longer making progress.

[clenz]

If Kennesaw is still above UNI this week we are no longer making progress.
Nah

Wins @ 6-2 Sac State, @ 6-2 South Dakota State, and vs 6-2 Southern Illinois mean little to nothing because UNI lost to...checks notes....5-3 South Dakota, 8-0 NDSU and FBS Iowa State.

[MSUBobcat]

Nah

Wins @ 6-2 Sac State, @ 6-2 South Dakota State, and vs 6-2 Southern Illinois mean little to nothing because UNI lost to...checks notes....5-3 South Dakota, 8-0 NDSU and FBS Iowa State.

Yup. You need a last minute TD over 3-4 Gardner-Webb at home to round out your powerhouse schedule. That's what makes a resume stand out as top 10.

[clenz]

Yup. You need a last minute TD over 3-4 Gardner-Webb at home to round out your powerhouse schedule. That's what makes a resume stand out as top 10.
I mean we can start looking at highly rated Big Sky teams

Sac State is 6-2 with wins over


0-8 Dixie State
1-7 Idaho State
1-8 Southern Utah
4-4 Northern Arizona
3-6 Northern Colorado
6-2 Montana

Though I do wonder about Montana because their wins are

Washington -- solid
2-7 Western Illinois
1-7 Cal Poly
0-8 Dixie State
2-6 Idaho
1-8 Southern Utah

I need to be careful though because I'm using Sac State's record in favor of UNI after beating them by 3 scores on the road.

[HootyHoo]

Yup. You need a last minute TD over 3-4 Gardner-Webb at home to round out your powerhouse schedule. That's what makes a resume stand out as top 10.

Yup, rough performance for the Owls. Secondary was all over the place. I want to apologize on behalf of my alma mater for this horrible performance. As you all know, KSU is not allowed to have a competitive game ever, against any opponent. No exceptions. We must win by 30 or we are terrible. Did Montana only beat Southern Utah by 1? Yes, but only because the Northern Lights distracted the Griz for the first 3 quarters. Did Villanova lose by 20 to W&M? Ah yes, but W&M is good now so it doesn’t count.

But in all seriousness, hooty will allow UNI to be above them this week. They deserve it after two good Victories. I look forward to the Panthers throwing it all away over the next month.

[clenz]

But in all seriousness, hooty will allow UNI to be above them this week. They deserve it after two good Victories. I look forward to the Panthers throwing it all away over the next month.
Good luck with that.

November and Farley mix VERY well. He is 60-11 all time in the month of November.

I guess, in your eyes, UNI isn't allowed a single rough game either (USD). Trap game sandwiched between trips to Fargo and Brookings. Even with that, it was truly about 2 minutes that cost UNI that game. The final two minutes of the first quarter UNI literally handed USD 14 points on a botched punt snap and a TO. Both gave USD the ball in the red zone. Even that final FG of the first half for USD likely shouldn't have happened as it shouldn't have been ruled a fumble that gave them the ball. He never had possession. 17 of the 24 first half points for USD were gifted with UNI giving them starting position in the red zone.

UNI still outgained USD in that game. Outscored them 24-10 in the second half. But apparently that 2 minute stretch in a trap game should doom UNI to be cast off to not ranked or barely ranked in the eyes of so many.

[HootyHoo]

Good luck with that.

November and Farley mix VERY well. He is 60-11 all time in the month of November.

I guess, in your eyes, UNI isn't allowed a single rough game either (USD). Trap game sandwiched between trips to Fargo and Brookings. Even with that, it was truly about 2 minutes that cost UNI that game. The final two minutes of the first quarter UNI literally handed USD 14 points on a botched punt snap and a TO. Both gave USD the ball in the red zone. Even that final FG of the first half for USD likely shouldn't have happened as it shouldn't have been ruled a fumble that gave them the ball. He never had possession. 17 of the 24 first half points for USD were gifted with UNI giving them starting position in the red zone.

UNI still outgained USD in that game. Outscored them 24-10 in the second half. But apparently that 2 minute stretch in a trap game should doom UNI to be cast off to not ranked or barely ranked in the eyes of so many.

Do you hear that? It’s the world’s smallest violin playing. Spare me the excuses. UNI gets rewarded when they win, and punished when they lose.

[caribbeanhen]

anyone still voting for Rhode Island... enough!