Payton List up on Sports Network

[McNeeserocket]

Sports Network has Payton List up.
http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=/cfoot2/news/AGN4099430.htm

[TexasTerror]

Surprised to see Bomar on there considering he has never taken a snap in FCS competition. It makes sense to include him as he'll definitely be on the "watch" if he can follow the lead of the FBS transfers that have done good things at Sam.

[citdog]

Richardson isn't even the 3rd best running back in the SoCon. why he is on this list is beyond me

[Model Citizen]

I've seen McLeod, and I've seen Scott Phaydavong of Drake. Phaydavong is better. Not just better numbers. Better period.

[Jerbearasu]

Richardson isn't even the 3rd best running back in the SoCon. why he is on this list is beyond me

Yeah, pre-season 1st team all-american isn't but the 3rd best in the conference..... Now I have stated all along, when a previous poll listed him as a unanimous choice, I thought that was a little much. He definitely is an all-american maybe even first team, I just thought a few people would have left him off their first team selections with all of the great RB's in this division. BUT he should definitely be on the Payton watch and probably in the upper half of the group to start the season!

[citdog]

Yeah, pre-season 1st team all-american isn't but the 3rd best in the conference..... Now I have stated all along, when a previous poll listed him as a unanimous choice, I thought that was a little much. He definitely is an all-american maybe even first team, I just thought a few people would have left him off their first team selections with all of the great RB's in this division. BUT he should definitely be on the Payton watch and probably in the upper half of the group to start the season!


Cadet Tory Cooper is a better all around back than Richardson. Sorry dude it's just a FACT. Look at the #'s

[CatFan22]

Cadet Tory Cooper is a better all around back than Richardson. Sorry dude it's just a FACT. Look at the #'s

What numbers are you looking at?

2006 stats:

Cooper: ATT 160 | YDS 807 | TD 8.....REC 40 | YDS 247
Richardson: ATT 302 | YDS 1,676 | TD 30.....REC 30 | YDS 285

[smallcollegefbfan]

What numbers are you looking at?

2006 stats:

Cooper: ATT 160 | YDS 807 | TD 8.....REC 40 | YDS 247
Richardson: ATT 302 | YDS 1,676 | TD 30.....REC 30 | YDS 285

He is looking at all-purpose yards because Richardson did not have any KR or PR yards while Cooper did. Richardson is not faster than Dexter Jackson so there is no way he would return kicks over him. If Jackson was at The Citadel he would be returning kicks instead of Cooper.

Cooper has LESS than a 1 yard per game average than Richardson. Richardson is BY FAR the better RB. As an all-purpose player I would say Cooper might be better soley because he returns kicks. Is he a better RB than Richardson? NO, is he arguably as good of an all-purpose back, MAYBE.

Anyone who is not from the Citadel who would agree with the citadel fan who I know is NOT BIAS at all... :D

[smallcollegefbfan]

Here are the rushing and all-purpose stats from last year among the nation's best.

*** Final 2006 NCAA Division IAA Football Individual All-Purpose Stats ***
(Complete through Saturday, December 16th)

From The Sports Network

ALL-PURPOSE RUNNING

Rank Player G Rush Rec PR KOR Yds Yds/Gm Ydspl
1. Justise Hairston, Central Conn. St 11 1847 58 123 170 2198 199.82 7.21
2. Arkee Whitlock, Southern Ill. 13 1828 63 0 439 2330 179.23 6.81
3. Chris Fletcher, Austin Peay 11 1401 200 0 241 1842 167.45 6.33
4. Nick Ruhe, Dayton 10 0 977 214 482 1673 167.30 18.18
5. Marcus Mason, Youngstown St. 12 1847 79 0 0 1926 160.50 6.23
6. Clifton Dawson, Harvard 10 1213 239 0 116 1568 156.80 5.96
7. D.D. Terry, Sam Houston St. 10 1328 237 0 0 1565 156.50 6.60
8. Clay Green, Jacksonville St. 11 1083 109 81 439 1712 155.64 6.01
9. Scott Phaydavong, Drake 11 1613 87 0 0 1700 154.55 5.96
10. Mike McLeod, Yale 10 1364 132 0 0 1496 149.60 4.90
11. Roosevelt Kiser, Florida A&M 11 55 647 169 753 1624 147.64 13.65
12. Pierre Rembert, Illinois St. 13 1743 90 0 76 1909 146.85 5.10
13. Steve Baylark, Massachusetts 15 1960 237 0 0 2197 146.47 6.09
14. Dedrick Poole, Ark.-Pine Bluff 11 240 517 168 621 1546 140.55 15.46
15. Carl Berman, Indiana St. 11 46 783 16 689 1534 139.45 13.34
16. Herb Donaldson, Western Ill. 11 1417 116 0 0 1533 139.36 6.21
17. Jt Rogan, San Diego 12 1002 313 0 347 1662 138.50 7.23
18. Todd Harris, St. Francis (Pa.) 11 1330 87 0 102 1519 138.09 5.17
19. Dane Samuels, Iona 10 698 197 0 439 1334 133.40 6.54
20. Donald Chapman, Tenn.-Martin 11 1412 37 0 0 1449 131.73 5.23
21. Tory Cooper, Citadel 11 807 247 62 332 1448 131.64 6.49
22. Javarris Williams, Tennessee St. 11 1233 210 0 0 1443 131.18 5.59
23. Kevin Richardson, Appalachian St. 15 1676 285 0 0 1961 130.73 5.91

*** Final 2006 NCAA Division IAA Football Individual Rushing Stats ***
(Complete through Saturday, December 16th)

From The Sports Network

RUSHING

Rank Player G Car Net TD Avg Ydspgm
1. Justise Hairston, Central Conn. St. 11 277 1847 20 6.67 167.91
1. Marcus Mason, Youngstown St. 12 302 1847 23 6.12 153.92
3. Scott Phaydavong, Drake 11 277 1613 10 5.82 146.64
4. Arkee Whitlock, Southern Ill. 13 317 1828 25 5.77 140.62
5. Mike McLeod, Yale 10 297 1364 19 4.59 136.40
6. Pierre Rembert, Illinois St. 13 355 1743 16 4.91 134.08
7. D. D. Terry, Sam Houston St. 10 215 1328 15 6.18 132.80
8. Steve Baylark, Massachusetts 15 338 1960 15 5.80 130.67
9. Herb Donaldson, Western Ill. 11 233 1417 18 6.08 128.82
10. Donald Chapman, Tenn.-Martin 11 269 1412 15 5.25 128.36
11. Chris Fletcher, Austin Peay 11 255 1401 16 5.49 127.36
12. Clifton Dawson, Harvard 10 237 1213 20 5.12 121.30
13. Todd Harris, St. Francis (Pa.) 11 275 1330 11 4.84 120.91
14. Deshawn Baker, South Carolina St. 11 204 1289 9 6.32 117.18
15. Jordan Scott, Colgate 11 290 1234 12 4.26 112.18
16. Javarris Williams, Tennessee St. 11 245 1233 11 5.03 112.09
17. Emmanuel Marc, Delaware St. 11 187 1230 12 6.58 111.82
18. Kevin Richardson, Appalachian St. 15 302 1676 30 5.55 111.73

[smallcollegefbfan]

The Payton list looks pretty good. You could argue that 4-5 other players should be on there, however, the list is very solid right now. Mr. C is doing a good job.

[CatFan22]

He is looking at all-purpose yards because Richardson did not have any KR or PR yards while Cooper did. Richardson is not faster than Dexter Jackson so there is no way he would return kicks over him. If Jackson was at The Citadel he would be returning kicks instead of Cooper.

Cooper has LESS than a 1 yard per game average than Richardson. Richardson is BY FAR the better RB. As an all-purpose player I would say Cooper might be better soley because he returns kicks. Is he a better RB than Richardson? NO, is he arguably as good of an all-purpose back, MAYBE.

Anyone who is not from the Citadel who would agree with the citadel fan who I know is NOT BIAS at all... :D

I'm sure if Richardson returned kicks he would own everyone in the all-around category. Even with those stats, he only beats Richardson by .91 yards per game. Cooper isn't even arguably the better all-purpose back. If ASU wanted him to return kicks he could easily do it.

[Go Bison]

The Payton list looks pretty good. You could argue that 4-5 other players should be on there, however, the list is very solid right now. Mr. C is doing a good job.

Where is QB Steve Walker from NDSU? He was a finalist last year.

[CopperCat]

Where is QB Steve Walker from NDSU? He was a finalist last year.

He isn't from the east coast, so there you have it.

And he isn't from App St. either, which doesn't help his case much.xrolleyesx

[GaSouthern]

Nice appy vs GSU plug w/richardson cOLESON, I forgot not to read that webpage anymore

[Go Bison]

He isn't from the east coast, so there you have it.

And he isn't from App St. either, which doesn't help his case much.xrolleyesx


That what I was thinking but it is nice to know someone else shares the same view. Mr C. doesn't have much love for NDSU and other west teams.

[PaladinFan]

Maybe when the west starts turning out some national champs we will start looking for the best players there.

[AlphaSigMD]

Where's armanti?

[Go Bison]

Maybe when the west starts turning out some national champs we will start looking for the best players there.

NDSU is not eligible until 2008.

xbangx

[LarryBoy]

Maybe when the west starts turning out some national champs we will start looking for the best players there.

I think I hear some Griz fans about to tear the door down....

[PaladinFan]

SHSU fans are also going to have to get used to the soon to become annoying "Former Oaklahoma.." before Rhett Bomar's name. I heard "Former Florida" before Ingle Martin so many times it made me dizzy.

For some reason journalist think that saying a kid played at a big school gives him a title to success.

[MACHIAVELLI]

Just when I thought things would be different. Silly me.

[FCSFAN]

xconfusedx Rhett Bomar, Junior, Quarterback, Sam Houston State xconfusedx

never played an FCS down yet he is being watched? xsmhx

[FargoBison]

What does a guy have to do?

Steve Walker 20-5 as a starter and 4,000 yards 30 TDs for his career. Not to mention he was a 2006 finalist, ridiculous. xnonono2x xnonono2x xnonono2x

[patssle]

SHSU fans are also going to have to get used to the soon to become annoying "Former Oaklahoma.." before Rhett Bomar's name. I heard "Former Florida" before Ingle Martin so many times it made me dizzy.

For some reason journalist think that saying a kid played at a big school gives him a title to success.

What really irritates me is that every journalist thinks he needs to spell out what happened to Bomar and why he ended up at SHSU. I think we got the effing point 50 articles ago. Because if you don't know by now, you're not a college football fan and you're NOT reading that particular article.

And I agree, Bomar should not be on this list. He needs to prove himself at this level. Now I fully expect him to do so and should be on this list in the near future ;)

[smallcollegefbfan]

Here is a link to the page with all their photos:

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sportsnetwork&page=cfoot2/payton/payton07.aspx

[89Hen]

The Payton list looks pretty good. You could argue that 4-5 other players should be on there, however, the list is very solid right now. Mr. C is doing a good job.
Agreed, this should be an incredible year for this award. There may be 5-7 VERY deserving players by the end of the season. xthumbsupx

[Grizalltheway]

Maybe when the west starts turning out some national champs we will start looking for the best players there.

Still bitter about 2001 huh? It's alright, you guys did score a touchdown with ten seconds or so left.

[Grizalltheway]

I think I hear some Griz fans about to tear the door down....

See above post. xnodx :D

[Mr. Tiger]

xconfusedx Rhett Bomar, Junior, Quarterback, Sam Houston State xconfusedx

never played an FCS down yet he is being watched? xsmhx

I have to agree. Bomar might turn out to be great this season but he shouldn't be on the Payton list.

[elkmcc]

Still bitter about 2001 huh? It's alright, you guys did score a touchdown with ten seconds or so left.

They say humans have an amazing ability to forget pain.:D

[grizband]

Just when I thought things would be different. Silly me.
I'm gonna claim ignorance here, but who would you like to have seen on the list, Mach, and who should they have replaced?

[gmoney55]

Looks like Bomar is not on the list after all...

2007 Walter Payton Award Watch List: Donald Chapman, Senior, Running Back, Tennessee-Martin; Liam Coen, Junior, Quarterback, Massachusetts; Omar Cuff, Senior, Running Back, Delaware; Herb Donaldson, Junior, Running Back, Western Illinois; Luke Drone, Senior, Quarterback, Illinois State; Jerome Felton, Senior, Fullback, Furman; Lex Hilliard, Senior, Running Back, Montana; Josh Johnson, Senior, Quarterback, San Diego; Mike McLeod, Junior, Running Back, Yale; Kevin Richardson, Senior, Running Back, Appalachian State; Eric Sanders, Senior, Quarterback, Northern Iowa; Ricky Santos, Senior, Quarterback, New Hampshire; Sean Schaefer, Junior, Quarterback, Towson; Jerome Simpson, Senior, Wide Receiver, Coastal Carolina; Alex Watson, Senior, Wide Receiver, Northern Arizona; Steven Whitehead, Senior, Kick Returner/Wide Receiver, McNeese State.

[mikebigg]

I'm gonna claim ignorance here, but who would you like to have seen on the list, Mach, and who should they have replaced?

Clyde Edwards, GSU Receiver

YEAR REC YDS AVG LNG TD ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
2004 30 608 20.3 48 4 1 15 15.0 15 0 0 0
2005 54 1015 18.8 83 10 1 13 13.0 13 0 0 0
2006 56 789 14.1 46 11 1 3 3.0 3 0 0 0
2007
Career Totals 140 2,412 17.7 83 25 3 31 14 10.3 0 0 0

Clyde has been a model of consistency... started as a true freshman in 2004 and has been improving each year since. He now becomes the primary option and focal point of our passing game. Although Coach Broadway has vowed to using a more balanced attack and speaks about team goals and not individual accomplishments, I've noticed that he always pauses to mention Clyde Edwards and points to him as a true team leader. I guess it helps to have the hardest working kid as your best player... Edwards also carries a 3.9 gpa in Marketing. A class kid!xthumbsupx

[citdog]

I think i heard aomewhere that Kevin Richardson was a walk on.:D xsmiley_wix

[Mountaineer#96]

I heard Tory Cooper got hooked up to a car battery, and wasn't the best knob. :D

Come on fellas everytime these lists come out everyone gripes, if you think a player should win the award he will do it on the field this year, not just because he is on the "watch list".

[89Hen]

Clyde Edwards, GSU Receiver

YEAR REC YDS AVG LNG TD ATT YDS AVG LNG TD FUM LST
2004 30 608 20.3 48 4 1 15 15.0 15 0 0 0
2005 54 1015 18.8 83 10 1 13 13.0 13 0 0 0
2006 56 789 14.1 46 11 1 3 3.0 3 0 0 0
No offense, but those are even close to consideration for Payton type numbers from a receiver.

David Ball, who didn't come close to winning the Payton (7th in 2005, 5th in 2006)...

2004 86 1504 17.5 60 17 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2005 87 1551 17.8 66 24 3 4 1.3 12 0 0 0
2006 93 1114 12.0 43 13 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0

[mikebigg]

No offense, but those are even close to consideration for Payton type numbers from a receiver.

David Ball, who didn't come close to winning the Payton (7th in 2005, 5th in 2006)...

2004 86 1504 17.5 60 17 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2005 87 1551 17.8 66 24 3 4 1.3 12 0 0 0
2006 93 1114 12.0 43 13 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0

None taken... but those numbers came in a system where he wasn't "the" receiver. Maybe his numbers will be higher now that we're in a more traditional offensive package...then again maybe not because he'll see more "special" coverage. Really doesn't matter... I think Clyde is more concerned with winning the conference championship and graduating with honors.

Good luck to all the candidates and congrats to whomever is the winner.

[GannonFan]

None taken... but those numbers came in a system where he wasn't "the" receiver. Maybe his numbers will be higher now that we're in a more traditional offensive package...then again maybe not because he'll see more "special" coverage. Really doesn't matter... I think Clyde is more concerned with winning the conference championship and graduating with honors.

Good luck to all the candidates and congrats to whomever is the winner.

The problem is, the award, just due to its very nature, is going to be very stat driven. There's no way to get around that. Heck, the Buchanan Award is even more stat-heavy. A WR in a system where he isn't fed the ball will never win the Payton Award because he'll always be dwarfed number-wise by other receivers who do get the ball. He could very well be a deserving candidate, but he'll not even get consideration with those numbers. And agreed, there are more important things in life than winning the Payton Award. xpeacex

[PaladinFan]

Yes, but one of the best shots this year is a fullback. When was the last time, if ever, a fullback won that award.

just one of those times you have such a unique athlete that it makes you turn your head.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Yes, but one of the best shots this year is a fullback. When was the last time, if ever, a fullback won that award.

just one of those times you have such a unique athlete that it makes you turn your head.

Regardless whether Felton wins it or not, if I was selecting a team from the FCS he would be my top offensive pick.

[McNeeserocket]

Yes, but one of the best shots this year is a fullback. When was the last time, if ever, a fullback won that award.

just one of those times you have such a unique athlete that it makes you turn your head.

The answer to your question is:
Adrian Peterson, of Georgia Southern captured the Walter Payton Award in 1999.

[ysubigred]

The Payton award is like the Heisman. The most popular offensive player wins xeyebrowx That's my xtwocentsx but it seems that the best offensive player hardly ever wins this award xnonono2x

[TigerFan17]

No offense, but those are even close to consideration for Payton type numbers from a receiver.

David Ball, who didn't come close to winning the Payton (7th in 2005, 5th in 2006)...

2004 86 1504 17.5 60 17 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0
2005 87 1551 17.8 66 24 3 4 1.3 12 0 0 0
2006 93 1114 12.0 43 13 0 0 0.0 0 0 0 0

Don't forget 89...he had to split a good amount of votes with that one QB that played for UNH.....ahh....whats his name.....

xsmiley_wix

[slostang]

Cal Poly 6'6" 228 Jr. WR Ramses Barden did not make the first list, but I think he will be on the updated list when it is released.

Through the first three games he has 21 receptions for 472 yards and 6 touchdowns. He is averaging 22.5 yards per catch. Not bad for a WR playing in a triple option offense.

[grizband]

I've seen Barden play three times, and he is a beast. His best feature is his 6'6" body, which makes him at least 5 inches taller than most corner backs he faces, and allows him to grab a lot of "jump balls."

I would love to see Lex Hilliard win the award, but I have a feeling the Griz will rotate running backs enough this year that he won't get the stats - hopefully I am wrong, though.

[katstrapper]

Bomar sure helped his cause yesterday. Great performance.xbowx

[Ronbo]

Lex will get his 1300 yards and 15 TD's but that won't be enough as the Payton is based on stats. Our other RB's will combine for another 1200 yards and 10-12 TD's. When you have 4 RB's that could start for most Big Sky teams you have to keep them happy. A nice problem for Hauck, too bad for Lex who will get about 18 carries a game average and 90 to 100 yards.

[grizband]

Bomar sure helped his cause yesterday. Great performance.xbowx

36-61 for 358 yards 4TDs and 1 INT. That is great stat line! Sounds like Bomar was chucking it all over the place.

[UNHWildCats]

Through two games Santos is looking strong once again

59-80 73.8% 642 yards 5 TD 21 rushes for 82 yards and another 2 TD

[gatadotcom]

I think Mr. Coulson needs to add Jayson Foster, QB, Georgia Southern, to the list of candidates!

Through 2 games, Foster's stats are:
RUSHING: 39 rushes, 484 yards, 9 TDs (12.41 yard per carry avg.).
PASSING: 24 passes, 12 completions, 182 yards (15.16 avg.), 1 TD.

[grizband]

Lex will get his 1300 yards and 15 TD's but that won't be enough as the Payton is based on stats. Our other RB's will combine for another 1200 yards and 10-12 TD's. When you have 4 RB's that could start for most Big Sky teams you have to keep them happy. A nice problem for Hauck, too bad for Lex who will get about 18 carries a game average and 90 to 100 yards.
I will certainly be satisfied if this results in us winning games and going deep into the playoffs. I would also guess this result would make Lex happy as well.

[Ronbo]

I will certainly be satisfied if this results in us winning games and going deep into the playoffs. I would also guess this result would make Lex happy as well.

Yeah but you, the Griz Nation, and Lex all know that Lex could get 2000 yards, average 150 yards a game, and get 25 TD's if they let him have 26-27 carries a game.

[grizband]

Yeah but you, the Griz Nation, and Lex all know that Lex could get 2000 yards, average 150 yards a game, and get 25 TD's if they let him have 26-27 carries a game.
Damn right he could. Lex has a great combination of size, strength and breakaway speed that he could eclipse 2000 yards if given the chance.

[slostang]

I've seen Barden play three times, and he is a beast. His best feature is his 6'6" body, which makes him at least 5 inches taller than most corner backs he faces, and allows him to grab a lot of "jump balls."

I would love to see Lex Hilliard win the award, but I have a feeling the Griz will rotate running backs enough this year that he won't get the stats - hopefully I am wrong, though.

Cal Poly has a new QB this year that can throw more than just "jump balls". Last year the jump ball to Barden was Cal Poly's passing offense. This year Barden is his primary receiver, but Jonathan Dally he is doing a better job spreading the ball to his other receivers and backs and he is hitting them in stride which is helping the yards per catch average and TDs.

I have seen Lex play and he is certainly one of most talented players in the FCS. I am sure we will see him playing on Sundays.

[grizband]

Cal Poly has a new QB this year that can throw more than just "jump balls". Last year the jump ball to Barden was Cal Poly's passing offense. This year Barden is his primary receiver, but Jonathan Dally he is doing a better job spreading the ball to his other receivers and backs and he is hitting them in stride which is helping the yards per catch average and TDs.

I have seen Lex play and he is certainly one of most talented players in the FCS. I am sure we will see him playing on Sundays.
I noticed this in our games last year, Stang, but didn't want to sound like I was smacking Cal Poly. It seemed when the Stangs were in a pinch, they would just throw it up to Barden, who usually came down with the ball. Good luck to Poly the rest of the season, hopefully we can renew our rivalry soon (I know we need to travel down there).

[skinny_uncle]

How about a little recognition for Nick Hill, SIU QB.
So far this year- 50/74, 669 yards, 0 INTs and 9 TDs. Passing Efficiency Rating 183.6

[Reed Rothchild]

The line for Eric Sanders:

74/92 for 80% 805 yds 3 tds 2 ints 2 rushing tds

Record: 3-0

[mrklean]

I think Mr. Coulson needs to add Jayson Foster, QB, Georgia Southern, to the list of candidates!

Through 2 games, Foster's stats are:
RUSHING: 39 rushes, 484 yards, 9 TDs (12.41 yard per carry avg.).
PASSING: 24 passes, 12 completions, 182 yards (15.16 avg.), 1 TD.

Hes a BEAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pound for Pound, the Best player in I-aa

[slostang]

Hes a BEAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pound for Pound, the Best player in I-aa

Awesome numbers.

[Tribe4SF]

Case can be made for Jake Phillips of W&M.

59-84 for 1,010 yards / 8 TDs / 0 INTs / Efficiency 202.7 / Total Offense 351.3 per game. Leads the nation in passing yards and efficiency / second in total offense.

Has also rushed for 2 TDs.

[katstrapper]

36-61 for 358 yards 4TDs and 1 INT. That is great stat line! Sounds like Bomar was chucking it all over the place.

dont forget 17 carries for 103 yds. ;)

[USDFAN_55]

Josh Hohnson's stats after just 2 games.

47-59, 684 yards, 10 TD 0 INT, 14 carries 186 yards, 13.3 ypr
QB Rating: 232.9763

Not bad numbers. I know his competition is not the greatest, but the numbers are still impressive.

[Peems]

Cal Poly has a new QB this year that can throw more than just "jump balls". Last year the jump ball to Barden was Cal Poly's passing offense. This year Barden is his primary receiver, but Jonathan Dally he is doing a better job spreading the ball to his other receivers and backs and he is hitting them in stride which is helping the yards per catch average and TDs.

I have seen Lex play and he is certainly one of most talented players in the FCS. I am sure we will see him playing on Sundays.

Did Matt Brennan graduate?

[slostang]

Did Matt Brennan graduate?

No. Jonathan Dally is a JC transfer that came in and won the starting job over Matt Brennan. Both are juniors.