AGS Poll Results - Week 3 - 2021

[AGSPoll]

9/20/2021 AGS Poll Results



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
Sam Houston Bearkats
1300
28


2
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1299
18


3
James Madison Dukes
1247
4


4
Montana Grizzlies
1200
4


5
North Dakota State Bison
1145



6
Southern Illinois Salukis
971



7
Eastern Washington Eagles
943



8
UC Davis Aggies
916



9
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
835



10
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
796



11
Montana State Bobcats
768



12
Weber State Wildcats
714



13
Villanova Wildcats
707



14
Northern Iowa Panthers
673



15
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
611



16
Missouri State Bears
539



17
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
512



18
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
470



19
Monmouth Hawks
307



20
Austin Peay Governors
291



21
Richmond Spiders
180



22
Central Arkansas Bears
175



23
Virginia Military Institute Keydets
158



24
South Dakota Coyotes
152



25
New Hampshire Wildcats
151
















ORV:




26
Rhode Island Rams
106



27
Furman Paladins
71



28
Nicholls Colonels
61



29
Incarnate Word Cardinals
54



30
Chattanooga Mocs
34



31
Princeton Tigers
32



32T
Murray State Racers
19



32T
Youngstown State Penguins
19



34
Duquesne Dukes
17



35T
Samford Bulldogs
14



35T
Sac State Hornets
14



37
Illinois State Redbirds
13



38
Kennesaw State Owls
12



39
Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
9



40
Harvard Crimson
6
















Most Significant Win:
James Madison Dukes





Most Significant Loss:
Weber State Wildcats

[Daytripper]

That's a close race between #1 and #2!

[Professor Chaos]

Here's this week's poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-3-top-25-results-3/

This is about as boring of a week as I can recall in terms of lack of movement but there were only 4 losses amongst top 25 teams last week and all were to FBS or higher ranked FCS opponents. 17 of the top 25 teams are in the Big Sky, CAA, and MVFC... with conference play starting to ramp up there's definitely going to have to be some more movement here shortly.

[Professor Chaos]

This was mine this week:

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: UC Davis Aggies
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
10: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
11: Montana State Bobcats
12: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: Missouri State Bears
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: Northern Iowa Panthers
18: Austin Peay Governors
19: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
20: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
21: Chattanooga Mocs
22: Monmouth Hawks
23: Duquesne Dukes
24: Incarnate Word Cardinals
25: South Dakota Coyotes

[Chalupa Batman]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Sam Houston Bearkats
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: Southern Illinois Salukis
6: North Dakota State Bison
7: UC Davis Aggies
8: Villanova Wildcats
9: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
10: Eastern Washington Eagles
11: Montana State Bobcats
12: Northern Iowa Panthers
13: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
14: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
15: Weber State Wildcats
16: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17: Missouri State Bears
18: Richmond Spiders
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Austin Peay Governors
22: Nicholls Colonels
23: Monmouth Hawks
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Chattanooga Mocs

The Most Significant Win: James Madison Dukes
The Most Significant Loss: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
10: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
11: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Missouri State Bears
15: UC Davis Aggies
16: Montana State Bobcats
17: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
18: Austin Peay Governors
19: Weber State Wildcats
20: Princeton Tigers
21: Monmouth Hawks
22: Rhode Island Rams
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: South Dakota Coyotes
25: New Hampshire Wildcats

The Most Significant Win: Villanova Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Yale Bulldogs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[wapiti]

NAU beats a P5 team and receives no votes nor selected as most significant win.

Did anyone here even consider NAU for a vote?

and of course NAU has nothing else on it resume to earn a vote either.

[Professor Chaos]

NAU beats a P5 team and receives no votes nor selected as most significant win.

Did anyone here even consider NAU for a vote?
I did but I had a hard time justifying them in my ballot when they got trucked by my current #25 team (South Dakota) last week. I might be low on USD in which case NAU might be more deserving than I think as well. We'll see.

[melloware13]

I put them as Biggest Win, for how bad Arizona is they are still a Pac-12 team

[MSUBobcat]

Full disclosure: not a voter these days so little room to criticize, but I'm a little surprised by EWU not taking a bit more of a dip. A 6 point win over WIU, while giving up 56? Needing OT to beat UNLV. I know a win is a win but I'd think the #7 would handle those teams. xtwocentsx

[dewey]

I did but I had a hard time justifying them in my ballot when they got trucked by my current #25 team (South Dakota) last week. I might be low on USD in which case NAU might be more deserving than I think as well. We'll see.

Agreed. NAU lost to SHSU 42-16 (at home), lost at South Dakota (34-7). Granted they did beat Arizona but 1 good win, 1 not good/not bad loss and one bad loss (for now) doesn't warrant a top 25 vote from me.

Dewey

[dewey]

Here is my top 25.

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/19/2021 21:06:06

Your vote is listed below.


1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Montana Grizzlies
4: James Madison Dukes
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: UC Davis Aggies
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: Missouri State Bears
11: Weber State Wildcats
12: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
13: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
14: Eastern Washington Eagles
15: Monmouth Hawks
16: Northern Iowa Panthers
17: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: Austin Peay Governors
22: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
23: South Dakota Coyotes
24: New Hampshire Wildcats
25: Richmond Spiders

dewey

The Most Significant Win: James Madison Dukes
The Most Significant Loss: Weber State Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Dewey

[Cocky]

NAU beats a P5 team and receives no votes nor selected as most significant win.

Did anyone here even consider NAU for a vote?

and of course NAU has nothing else on it resume to earn a vote either.

They are not the only FBS beater not on my ballot.

[dewey]

Full disclosure: not a voter these days so little room to criticize, but I'm a little surprised by EWU not taking a bit more of a dip. A 6 point win over WIU, while giving up 56? Needing OT to beat UNLV. I know a win is a win but I'd think the #7 would handle those teams. xtwocentsx

Agreed. Eastern Washington took a little dip in my poll (now #14).

LOTS of offense but no defense. Plus MT just last week blew put WIU.

Dewey

[Hambone]

Hello Hambone,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/20/2021 8:48:15

Your vote is listed below.


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sam Houston Bearkats
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: UC Davis Aggies
8: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
12: Northern Iowa Panthers
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: South Dakota Coyotes
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
17: Missouri State Bears
18: Weber State Wildcats
19: Austin Peay Governors
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: Richmond Spiders
22: Central Arkansas Bears
23: Monmouth Hawks
24: Rhode Island Rams
25: Incarnate Word Cardinals

Hambone

The Most Significant Win: Incarnate Word Cardinals
The Most Significant Loss: Weber State Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Catbooster]

Full disclosure: not a voter these days so little room to criticize, but I'm a little surprised by EWU not taking a bit more of a dip. A 6 point win over WIU, while giving up 56? Needing OT to beat UNLV. I know a win is a win but I'd think the #7 would handle those teams. xtwocentsx
No offense to the Eagle fans, but I've been wondering how they're ranked that high too. I thought they might drop more this week and it would be closer to what I expected but they didn't (well, they dropped 1 spot). It UNLV is a nice win (double OT) since it's FBS, but despite being FBS I don't think they're any better than a middle team in the Big Sky, MVFC or CAA. Plus a D2 win and Western Illinois. xchinscratchx I've got them 5th place in the Big Sky not 7th in the nation.

[Catbooster]

NAU beats a P5 team and receives no votes nor selected as most significant win.

Did anyone here even consider NAU for a vote?

and of course NAU has nothing else on it resume to earn a vote either.
Considered, but didn't make my cut with the other two games they played. This one got them on my list of teams to watch.

[Catbooster]

Mine:

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sam Houston Bearkats
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: UC Davis Aggies
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
11: Montana State Bobcats
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: Missouri State Bears
15: Northern Iowa Panthers
16: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
17: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
18: Austin Peay Governors
19: Monmouth Hawks
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Richmond Spiders
22: Rhode Island Rams
23: Murray State Racers
24: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
25: Incarnate Word Cardinals

[lionsrking2]

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: Montana Grizzlies
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: James Madison Dukes
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
8: Northern Iowa Panthers
9: UC Davis Aggies
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: Incarnate Word Cardinals
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: Nicholls Colonels
15: Missouri State Bears
16: Weber State Wildcats
17: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: New Hampshire Wildcats
22: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
23: Richmond Spiders
24: Austin Peay Governors
25: Duquesne Dukes

[atthewbon]

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: James Madison Dukes
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
10: UC Davis Aggies
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Missouri State Bears
14: Eastern Washington Eagles
15: Weber State Wildcats
16: Monmouth Hawks
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
19: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: Austin Peay Governors
22: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: South Dakota Coyotes
25: Furman Paladins

[SpreadTheWord]

Hello SpreadTheWord,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/19/2021 16:00:42

Your vote is listed below.


1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: UC Davis Aggies
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Southern Illinois Salukis
9: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
10: Northern Iowa Panthers
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: South Dakota Coyotes
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Missouri State Bears
16: Eastern Washington Eagles
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
19: Austin Peay Governors
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: Nicholls Colonels
22: Youngstown State Penguins
23: Incarnate Word Cardinals
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: Chattanooga Mocs

SpreadTheWord

The Most Significant Win: James Madison Dukes
The Most Significant Loss: Weber State Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Southland Conference

[atthewbon]

Full disclosure: not a voter these days so little room to criticize, but I'm a little surprised by EWU not taking a bit more of a dip. A 6 point win over WIU, while giving up 56? Needing OT to beat UNLV. I know a win is a win but I'd think the #7 would handle those teams. xtwocentsx

I also don’t get EWU at 7. Their defense seems very suspect, they seem to fall apart very easily. I dropped them to 14 but am willing to raise them if the defense starts looking more consistent.

[ElCid]

Full disclosure: not a voter these days so little room to criticize, but I'm a little surprised by EWU not taking a bit more of a dip. A 6 point win over WIU, while giving up 56? Needing OT to beat UNLV. I know a win is a win but I'd think the #7 would handle those teams. xtwocentsx

They took a dip on mine, a few spots. They still have a great O and we're on the road. Don't think they should be dinged too bad, even if their D is bad.

[OhioHen]

NAU beats a P5 team and receives no votes nor selected as most significant win.

Did anyone here even consider NAU for a vote?

and of course NAU has nothing else on it resume to earn a vote either.

At 1-2, even beating Arizona didn't move the needle for me.

[TheRevSFA]

NAU beats a P5 team and receives no votes nor selected as most significant win.

Did anyone here even consider NAU for a vote?

and of course NAU has nothing else on it resume to earn a vote either.

No, because they lost to Sam and were boatraced by South Dakota. It made it earlier to vote USD into the top 25.

It's also why Incarnate Word didn't get a sniff from me. Yay you almost beat YSU and you beat a team that's FBS in name only. You still aren't a top 25 team

[OhioHen]

Full disclosure: not a voter these days so little room to criticize, but I'm a little surprised by EWU not taking a bit more of a dip. A 6 point win over WIU, while giving up 56? Needing OT to beat UNLV. I know a win is a win but I'd think the #7 would handle those teams. xtwocentsx

EWU took a hit from me for the weakness of the win this week. Probably would have dropped more it Delaware had showed up at Rutgers or Weber State had beaten JMU.

A win is a win, unless it raises questions. Giving up 56 to WIU raises questions.

[dewey]

EWU took a hit from me for the weakness of the win this week. Probably would have dropped more it Delaware had showed up at Rutgers or Weber State had beaten JMU.

A win is a win, unless it raises questions. Giving up 56 to WIU raises questions.

Agreed. Giving up 56 to WIU is NOT good at all. Macomb Illinois is not a difficult environment (from what I have heard) unless you get too bored.

Dewey

[ursus arctos horribilis]

They took a dip on mine, a few spots. They still have a great O and we're on the road. Don't think they should be dinged too bad, even if their D is bad.

From all I have ever heard that is just a very different sort of place to win a road game too. It ain't easy to win in Macomb.

[Professor Chaos]

Agreed. Giving up 56 to WIU is NOT good at all. Macomb Illinois is not a difficult environment (from what I have heard) unless you get too bored.

Dewey
Macomb isn't difficult in terms of being hostile but I've heard it presents its own challenges just by being "wierd". You can't fly a charter into there, I'm pretty sure most teams fly into Peoria or the Quad Cities and then bus 90 minutes to Macomb. I've also heard that hotel accommodations are limited in Macomb and no place has meeting spaces large enough for a football team so many teams will stay in Peoria or the Quad Cities the night before and bus into Macomb the day of the game. On top of that I think a lot of players actually prefer to have hostile crowds when they're on the road versus a place where you have to make your own energy and Macomb is definitely the latter of those two.

That's not to say EWU doesn't deserve to get dinged a bit for barely squeaking one out against WIU but it's understandable why visiting teams tend to play a little flat there.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Agreed. Giving up 56 to WIU is NOT good at all. Macomb Illinois is not a difficult environment (from what I have heard) unless you get too bored.

Dewey

That is the point of it being difficult...it is apparently disorienting. xlolx

[HootyHoo]

#38th? Wow, I take a few months off AGS and the y'all lose your collective minds. I will be awaiting your profuse apologies after the Owls pluck the Gamecocks in two weeks.

[Uncle Rico]

From all I have ever heard that is just a very different sort of place to win a road game too. It ain't easy to win in Macomb.Not sure if it's changed, but a few years ago the visiting locker room was damn near a quarter mile from the field. Walking back and forth during pregame and coming out to an empty stadium can't be a very motivating experience.

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[ysubigred]

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: Montana Grizzlies
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: James Madison Dukes
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
8: Northern Iowa Panthers
9: UC Davis Aggies
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: Incarnate Word Cardinals
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: Nicholls Colonels
15: Missouri State Bears
16: Weber State Wildcats
17: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: New Hampshire Wildcats
22: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
23: Richmond Spiders
24: Austin Peay Governors
25: Duquesne Dukes

Not throwing stones but I wish and thanks!! xbowx

[lionsrking2]

Not throwing stones but I wish and thanks!! xbowx
👍👍

[PantherRob82]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana Grizzlies
3: Sam Houston Bearkats
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Southern Illinois Salukis
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: North Dakota State Bison
8: UC Davis Aggies
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: Montana State Bobcats
14: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
15: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
16: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
17: Missouri State Bears
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Austin Peay Governors
22: Rhode Island Rams
23: South Dakota Coyotes
24: Furman Paladins
25: Jackson State Tigers

The Most Significant Win: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
The Most Significant Loss: Chattanooga Mocs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Cocky]

#38th? Wow, I take a few months off AGS and the y'all lose your collective minds. I will be awaiting your profuse apologies after the Owls pluck the Gamecocks in two weeks.

Dont expect them at the game as most Gamecock fans arent believers in the Cocks.

[caribbeanhen]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sam Houston Bearkats
3: Montana Grizzlies
4: James Madison Dukes
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: UC Davis Aggies
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Northern Iowa Panthers
10: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: Missouri State Bears
13: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
14: Eastern Washington Eagles
15: Weber State Wildcats
16: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: New Hampshire Wildcats
21: Princeton Tigers
22: Richmond Spiders
23: Monmouth Hawks
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: Incarnate Word Cardinals

caribbeanhen

[Preferred Walk-On]

NAU beats a P5 team and receives no votes nor selected as most significant win.

Did anyone here even consider NAU for a vote?

and of course NAU has nothing else on it resume to earn a vote either.

Yes, anyone here did.


I put them as Biggest Win, for how bad Arizona is they are still a Pac-12 team

Yes, Arizona is still a Pac12 (P5) team. See East Tennessee State over Vanderbilt and where they are ranked by AGS.


Agreed. NAU lost to SHSU 42-16 (at home), lost at South Dakota (34-7). Granted they did beat Arizona but 1 good win, 1 not good/not bad loss and one bad loss (for now) doesn't warrant a top 25 vote from me.

Dewey

I am not so sure that SHSU (and maybe even USD) don't beat a few other teams in the top 25 by similar scores, and both SHSU and USD deserve to be ranked, so...xdontknowx

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Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/19/2021 10:12:31

Your vote is listed below.

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Eastern Washington Eagles
11: UC Davis Aggies
12: Northern Iowa Panthers
13: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: Missouri State Bears
17: South Dakota Coyotes
18: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
19: Chattanooga Mocs
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: Austin Peay Governors
22: Central Arkansas Bears
23: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
24: Richmond Spiders
25: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks

Preferred Walk-On

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota Coyotes
The Most Significant Loss: Jackson State Tigers
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[ElCid]

I'm just curious how people determine what the most significant win/loss is. We have had this discussion before. The reason I ask is that it looks like the most significant win for the poll was JMU. Since they didn't gain any ground and the vote totals were almost precisely the same as last week, how is it significant? This isn't a critique, it is simply an inquiry.

For me a significant win told me something I did not know before whether it is a blow out win against a decent or better team, or barely winning against someone who they should have beaten soundly. I could use the Eastern Washington game a s an example of the latter. Likewise the most significant loss is someone almost winning when they shouldn't have been close, or someone beaten soundly when they should have won. I could use UTC's loss as example of the former. AND, in addition to any of the above, a win or loss that results in moving a team significantly up or down in my poll. Again, this is how I determine it. So my brain short circuits a little when I see JMU as the most significant win, when absolutely nothing has changed in the poll, and they were favored to begin with. I can however see Weber's loss as fairly significant. As a matter of fact, that was my choice.

[Catbooster]

I'm just curious how people determine what the most significant win/loss is. We have had this discussion before. The reason I ask is that it looks like the most significant win for the poll was JMU. Since they didn't gain any ground and the vote totals were almost precisely the same as last week, how is it significant? This isn't a critique, it is simply an inquiry.

For me a significant win told me something I did not know before whether it is a blow out win against a decent or better team, or barely winning against someone who they should have beaten soundly. I could use the Eastern Washington game a s an example of the latter. Likewise the most significant loss is someone almost winning when they shouldn't have been close, or someone beaten soundly when they should have won. I could use UTC's loss as example of the former. AND, in addition to any of the above, a win or loss that results in moving a team significantly up or down in my poll. Again, this is how I determine it. So my brain short circuits a little when I see JMU as the most significant win, when absolutely nothing has changed in the poll, and they were favored to begin with. I can however see Weber's loss as fairly significant. As a matter of fact, that was my choice.
I'm not going to help you gain any insight since that's the same way I approach it. This week I found it hard to pick most significant win/loss since there wasn't much movement in my poll. Most significant is a game that , as you said, showed something new or confirmed a suspicion about over/under-rated, which typically shows up as a significant movement in my poll.

JMU's win wasn't significant with respect to my poll placements of the teams. EWU's win might have been the most significant (in a negative way) if I'd had them ranked as highly as the aggregate, but I already had them ranked lower than the AGS consensus so again, it wasn't too significant.

[Preferred Walk-On]

I'm just curious how people determine what the most significant win/loss is. We have had this discussion before. The reason I ask is that it looks like the most significant win for the poll was JMU. Since they didn't gain any ground and the vote totals were almost precisely the same as last week, how is it significant? This isn't a critique, it is simply an inquiry.

For me a significant win told me something I did not know before whether it is a blow out win against a decent or better team, or barely winning against someone who they should have beaten soundly. I could use the Eastern Washington game a s an example of the latter. Likewise the most significant loss is someone almost winning when they shouldn't have been close, or someone beaten soundly when they should have won. I could use UTC's loss as example of the former. AND, in addition to any of the above, a win or loss that results in moving a team significantly up or down in my poll. Again, this is how I determine it. So my brain short circuits a little when I see JMU as the most significant win, when absolutely nothing has changed in the poll, and they were favored to begin with. I can however see Weber's loss as fairly significant. As a matter of fact, that was my choice.

THIS ^^^^

Picked South Dakota for most significant win, because of their last two sound wins. Although Northern Arizona was in the running, they just made my poll, and quite honestly, they helped boost USD a bit as well. I think if Weber State had won, you might have been able to make an argument for Weber (win) or JMU (loss) then, because I think we kind of knew what JMU is, but we were unsure of what Weber is.

As for most significant loss, there were really no poll movers or completely unexpected losses. I went with Jackson State, simply because they had a close loss to an FBS, and it keeps me thinking about them a bit. Chattanooga also could have fit this bill with their showing against Kentucky.

Significant wins and losses, at least for me, are ones that really tip the scale and produce the most movement or rethinking of a team.

[Chalupa Batman]

I'm not going to help you gain any insight since that's the same way I approach it. This week I found it hard to pick most significant win/loss since there wasn't much movement in my poll. Most significant is a game that , as you said, showed something new or confirmed a suspicion about over/under-rated, which typically shows up as a significant movement in my poll.

JMU's win wasn't significant with respect to my poll placements of the teams. EWU's win might have been the most significant (in a negative way) if I'd had them ranked as highly as the aggregate, but I already had them ranked lower than the AGS consensus so again, it wasn't too significant.

I have picked a win like this that's viewed negatively or a loss that's viewed positively (like a close loss to a good FBS team) as most significant in the past. In fact this week I almost picked EWU as most significant win but went with JMU because of how well they handled Weber.

[POD Knows]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sam Houston Bearkats
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: Southern Illinois Salukis
6: North Dakota State Bison
7: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
13: Weber State Wildcats
14: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
15: UC Davis Aggies
16: Missouri State Bears
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Monmouth Hawks
21: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
22: South Dakota Coyotes
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Austin Peay Governors
25: Murray State Racers

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Villanova Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Weber State Wildcats

[mvemjsunpx]

NAU beats a P5 team and receives no votes nor selected as most significant win.

Did anyone here even consider NAU for a vote?

and of course NAU has nothing else on it resume to earn a vote either.

NAU's other two results strongly suggest they aren't a top-25 caliber team. I suspect their win over UA was more about Arizona being a dumpster fire than about NAU being good.

[Catbooster]

I have picked a win like this that's viewed negatively or a loss that's viewed positively (like a close loss to a good FBS team) as most significant in the past. In fact this week I almost picked EWU as most significant win but went with JMU because of how well they handled Weber.
I have too. I interpret it as most significant, not most positive (win) or negative (loss).

I also try to avoid using the same game for the win and the loss (it's seldom the most significant on both sides).

[paward]

[QUOTE=ElCid;2993830]I'm just curious how people determine what the most significant win/loss is. We have had this discussion before. The reason I ask is that it looks like the most significant win for the poll was JMU. Since they didn't gain any ground and the vote totals were almost precisely the same as last week, how is it significant? This isn't a critique, it is simply an inquiry.

My tactics are real simple:

MSW, teams that move up by most slots.
MSL, teams that move down by most slots.

[PantherRob82]

NAU beats a P5 team and receives no votes nor selected as most significant win.

Did anyone here even consider NAU for a vote?

and of course NAU has nothing else on it resume to earn a vote either.

No way they get a vote after getting destroyed the first 2 games, but I voted it most significant because they beat AZ and prevented going 0-3.

[TheKingpin28]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana Grizzlies
3: Sam Houston Bearkats
4: James Madison Dukes
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
8: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Eastern Washington Eagles
11: UC Davis Aggies
12: Montana State Bobcats
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
16: Missouri State Bears
17: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
18: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
19: South Dakota Coyotes
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Richmond Spiders
22: Austin Peay Governors
23: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
24: Rhode Island Rams
25: New Hampshire Wildcats

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[HootyHoo]

I can't believe I'm going to say this, but you guys are disrespecting Monmouth. They have a QB named Muskett. I mean seriously, that's pretty awesome. Then you factor in Greene and Farri and they one of the best offenses in FCS. I know it's hard to believe, but they do play football in other conferences besides the Big Sky, MVFC, and CAA. But you wouldn't know it by looking at this poll. 13 of the top 14 teams are from the "Big 3".

[PantherRob82]

I can't believe I'm going to say this, but you guys are disrespecting Monmouth. They have a QB named Muskett. I mean seriously, that's pretty awesome. Then you factor in Greene and Farri and they one of the best offenses in FCS. I know it's hard to believe, but they do play football in other conferences besides the Big Sky, MVFC, and CAA. But you wouldn't know it by looking at this poll. 13 of the top 14 teams are from the "Big 3".

What has a team from outside the Big 3 done to prove they are Top 15? Honestly.

I don't think a Top 25 FCS team loses to Middle Tenn St by 35. I don't think a Top 25 team eeks out a win against Fordham.

Respect is earned.

[HootyHoo]

What has a team from outside the Big 3 done to prove they are Top 15? Honestly.

I don't think a Top 25 FCS team loses to Middle Tenn St by 35. I don't think a Top 25 team eeks out a win against Fordham.

Respect is earned.

That’s rich, the Northern Iowa guy talking about respect. What are you guys? The greatest 5 loss team of all time. Spare me.

[Puddin Tane]

What has a team from outside the Big 3 done to prove they are Top 15? Honestly.

I don't think a Top 25 FCS team loses to Middle Tenn St by 35. I don't think a Top 25 team eeks out a win against Fordham.

Respect is earned.

ummm…defending national champ?

[PantherRob82]

ummm…defending national champ?

Sorry, he already mentioned 1 team outside the Big 3. I meant besides SHSU.

[PantherRob82]

That’s rich, the Northern Iowa guy talking about respect. What are you guys? The greatest 5 loss team of all time. Spare me.

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[JSUSoutherner]

NAU beats a P5 team and receives no votes nor selected as most significant win.

Did anyone here even consider NAU for a vote?

and of course NAU has nothing else on it resume to earn a vote either.

I also find this interesting because JSU gets blanked by UAB, beats easily the worst P5 in the country, and then struggle bussed our way past 0-3 UNA at home and these fools are still voting for us.

It's literally hypocrisy at it's finest.

[JSUSoutherner]

What has a team from outside the Big 3 done to prove they are Top 15? Honestly.

I don't think a Top 25 FCS team loses to Middle Tenn St by 35. I don't think a Top 25 team eeks out a win against Fordham.

Respect is earned.

Then why the **** are you ranking Jax State?

[caribbeanhen]

Anyone noticing a trend that people that actually watch the Delaware games are not so high on the Hens....

[ElCid]

Anyone noticing a trend that people that actually watch the Delaware games are not so high on the Hens....

Unfortunately I have not been able to watch them. Their resume isn't good yet, but I still have them relatively high, on par with poll. Are they overrated? I'm giving them some benefit of doubt until they prove otherwise with better competition.

[dewey]

I also find this interesting because JSU gets blanked by UAB, beats easily the worst P5 in the country, and then struggle bussed our way past 0-3 UNA at home and these fools are still voting for us.

It's literally hypocrisy at it's finest.

IMHO.....I think Jacksonville State and Northern Iowa are similar in that they are very recognizable names and that helps them stay higher in the FCS polls. The track record is there whether or not it is justified.

Dewey

[HensRock]

Unfortunately I have not been able to watch them [Delaware]. Their resume isn't good yet, but I still have them relatively high, on par with poll. Are they overrated? I'm giving them some benefit of doubt until they prove otherwise with better competition.

I think the Hens overrated at #10. We have some injuries on the OL and it shows. Luckily our QB is very good at running and at throwing on the run. Should be ranked in the mid teens, IMO

[Chalupa Batman]

Anyone noticing a trend that people that actually watch the Delaware games are not so high on the Hens....


I think the Hens overrated at #10. We have some injuries on the OL and it shows. Luckily our QB is very good at running and at throwing on the run. Should be ranked in the mid teens, IMO

I’ve watched them and haven’t been very impressed so far, the benefit of the doubt from the beginning of the season is gone. I have the Hens at #16.

[Mike296]

Hello Mike296,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/19/2021 13:12:43

Your vote is listed below.


1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Southern Illinois Salukis
8: UC Davis Aggies
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: Weber State Wildcats
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Montana State Bobcats
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
16: Missouri State Bears
17: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
18: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
19: Austin Peay Governors
20: Monmouth Hawks
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Rhode Island Rams
25: Richmond Spiders

Mike296

The Most Significant Win: James Madison Dukes
The Most Significant Loss: Richmond Spiders
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Ohio Valley Conference


Didn’t watch many games this past week but I looked at results in this past week’s how they Fared and tried to adjust my list accordingly. Depending on Delaware’s result this week I’ll be dropping them down a tier(maybe 2?)

[PantherRob82]

Then why the **** are you ranking Jax State?

Florida State is better than anything on Monmouth's resume. They also aren't in my Top 15. I'd rather not vote for them, but once you get below 15 is a lot of guess work right now.

[caribbeanhen]

Unfortunately I have not been able to watch them. Their resume isn't good yet, but I still have them relatively high, on par with poll. Are they overrated? I'm giving them some benefit of doubt until they prove otherwise with better competition.

Flo Working in Delaware’s favor

i’m with Hensrock on this

[kdinva]

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: North Dakota State Bison
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: Villanova Wildcats
10: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
11: Southern Illinois Salukis
12: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
13: UC Davis Aggies
14: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
15: Monmouth Hawks
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: Weber State Wildcats
18: Northern Iowa Panthers
19: Rhode Island Rams
20: Richmond Spiders
21: Missouri State Bears
22: New Hampshire Wildcats
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Furman Paladins
25: South Dakota Coyotes



The Most Significant Win: James Madison Dukes
The Most Significant Loss: Wofford Terriers

[JSUSoutherner]

Florida State is better than anything on Monmouth's resume. They also aren't in my Top 15. I'd rather not vote for them, but once you get below 15 is a lot of guess work right now.

How about a loss to UTM at home? Is that voting material?

[Katfan]

How about a loss to UTM at home? Is that voting material?
Yes still top 10

[Professor Chaos]

Trying to resist the urge to put JSU on my poll ballot just to get a reaction out of JSUSoutherner at this point...

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[ursus arctos horribilis]

Trying to resist the urge to put JSU on my poll ballot just to get a reaction out of JSUSoutherner at this point...

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NAU just ahead of them.

For everybody else.

[Katfan]

Trying to resist the urge to put JSU on my poll ballot just to get a reaction out of JSUSoutherner at this point...

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Do it!

[Chalupa Batman]

Yes still top 10

If I knew I’d get to personally see Southerners reaction I’d throw them in my poll.

Sadly I won’t be surprised to see them in ORV next week.

[JSUSoutherner]

If I knew I’d get to personally see Southerners reaction I’d throw them in my poll.

Sadly I won’t be surprised to see them in ORV next week.

I wouldn't be surprised to see them ranked because the voters seem to be absolutely STATS caliber this season.

[Cocky]

Guess the snowbirding label is gone?

[JSUSoutherner]

Guess the snowbirding label is gone?

I believe the word you are looking for is sandbagging.

Snowbirds are a very different thing.

[Cocky]

I believe the word you are looking for is sandbagging.

Snowbirds are a very different thing.

Damn modern phrases, I cant keep up.

[JSUSoutherner]

Damn modern phrases, I cant keep up.

Idk that anything about Snowbirds is modern. Lol