AGS Poll Results - Week 2 - 2021

[AGSPoll]

9/13/2021



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
Sam Houston Bearkats
1331
28


2
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1327
20


3
James Madison Dukes
1245
2


4
Montana Grizzlies
1227
5


5
North Dakota State Bison
1163



6
Eastern Washington Eagles
1006



7
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
984



8
Weber State Wildcats
916



9
Southern Illinois Salukis
899



10
UC Davis Aggies
827



11
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
780



12
Montana State Bobcats
748



13
Northern Iowa Panthers
656



14
Villanova Wildcats
647



15
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
571



16
Missouri State Bears
545



17
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
489



18
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
484



19
Richmond Spiders
294



20
Monmouth Hawks
293



21
Austin Peay Governors
269



22
Central Arkansas Bears
207



23
Virginia Military Institute Keydets
202



24
New Hampshire Wildcats
185



25
Furman Paladins
156
















ORV:




26
Rhode Island Rams
74



27
Nicholls Colonels
59



28
Murray State Racers
50



29
Duquesne Dukes
45



30
Chattanooga Mocs
42



31
South Dakota Coyotes
30



32
Princeton Tigers
25



33
Yale Bulldogs
13



34
Jackson State Tigers
12



35T
Illinois State Redbirds
11



35T
Wofford Terriers
11



37T
Youngstown State Penguins
9



37T
Incarnate Word Cardinals
9



39
Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
7



40
Samford Bulldogs/Dartmouth Big Green
6
















Most Significant Win:
Jacksonville State Gamecocks





Most Significant Loss:
Holy Cross Crusaders

[HensRock]

UD still about 10 spots too high.
UNI deserves higher ranking.
Looks pretty good otherwise. Beyond 20 is a crapshoot.

[Puddin Tane]

voting closed too early. needed my beauty sleep

[Chalupa Batman]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Sam Houston Bearkats
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: North Dakota State Bison
8: Weber State Wildcats
9: UC Davis Aggies
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Montana State Bobcats
15: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Missouri State Bears
18: Nicholls Colonels
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Austin Peay Governors
22: South Dakota Coyotes
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Furman Paladins
25: Monmouth Hawks

Chalupa Batman

The Most Significant Win: Northern Iowa Panthers
The Most Significant Loss: Holy Cross Crusaders
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Daytripper]

Here is my attempt. There were probably 20 different teams with a legit claim to the 15-25 spots.

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Montana Grizzlies
4: James Madison Dukes
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: UC Davis Aggies
8: Southern Illinois Salukis
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Weber State Wildcats
11: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
12: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
13: Missouri State Bears
14: Monmouth Hawks
15: Northern Iowa Panthers
16: Nicholls Colonels
17: Montana State Bobcats
18: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Murray State Racers
22: Austin Peay Governors
23: South Dakota Coyotes
24: Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
25: Jacksonville State Gamecocks

[Professor Chaos]

This week's poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-2-top-25-results-3/

Kind of surprised to see Jacksonville St hanging so low still. They started at #12 in the preseason, split their FBS games, and have dropped to #18 after week 2. Maybe our favorite sandbagging JSU fan is getting to the voters??? ;)

Pretty boring week other than that. VMI took a big tumble for an FBS loss but it was a 50 point loss to a MAC team so understandable. The "power conferences" seem to be rising to the top in the OOC part of the season with the Big Sky, CAA, and MVFC taking 14 of the top 16 spots. 11 of the top 16 (and 10 of the top 13) are just the Big Sky and MVFC. That won't be sustainable as those teams start to cannibalize each other in the conference season so should be some opportunities for teams currently in the lower teens and 20s to move up into the top 10 as we progress through the conference season.

[Professor Chaos]

Here's mine:

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Montana Grizzlies
4: James Madison Dukes
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: UC Davis Aggies
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
14: Montana State Bobcats
15: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
16: Missouri State Bears
17: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Austin Peay Governors
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Duquesne Dukes
23: Monmouth Hawks
24: Chattanooga Mocs
25: Richmond Spiders

[TheKingpin28]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana Grizzlies
3: Sam Houston Bearkats
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Southern Illinois Salukis
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
11: Montana State Bobcats
12: Northern Iowa Panthers
13: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
14: UC Davis Aggies
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Missouri State Bears
17: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
20: Richmond Spiders
21: Austin Peay Governors
22: Chattanooga Mocs
23: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
24: Rhode Island Rams
25: New Hampshire Wildcats

I guess I am slightly harder on UC-Davis and slightly lighter on Central Arkansas. Chatty, IMO deserves to be ranked as well as Rhode Island, considering Chatty played APSU well and beat tUNA with some margin. Rhode Island's win at Albany earned votes considering how NDSU handled Albany.

[dewey]

Here is my top 25. Critique as needed.

Your vote is listed below.


1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Montana Grizzlies
4: James Madison Dukes
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: Southern Illinois Salukis
8: UC Davis Aggies
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Missouri State Bears
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Montana State Bobcats
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: Monmouth Hawks
15: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
16: Northern Iowa Panthers
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: Austin Peay Governors
22: Richmond Spiders
23: Chattanooga Mocs
24: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
25: New Hampshire Wildcats

dewey

The Most Significant Win: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
The Most Significant Loss: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Dewey

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Southern Illinois Salukis
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
10: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
11: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Yale Bulldogs
16: Missouri State Bears
17: UC Davis Aggies
18: Montana State Bobcats
19: Austin Peay Governors
20: Princeton Tigers
21: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
22: Monmouth Hawks
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: Furman Paladins

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
The Most Significant Loss: Holy Cross Crusaders
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[RabidRabbit]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Sam Houston Bearkats
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: North Dakota State Bison
8: Weber State Wildcats
9: UC Davis Aggies
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Montana State Bobcats
15: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Missouri State Bears
18: Nicholls Colonels
19: Richmond Spiders
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Austin Peay Governors
22: South Dakota Coyotes
23: New Hampshire Wildcats
24: Furman Paladins
25: Monmouth Hawks

Chalupa Batman

The Most Significant Win: Northern Iowa Panthers
The Most Significant Loss: Holy Cross Crusaders
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football ConferenceNo recognition for Jax St win over Florida State? Yeah, 1-1 vs fbs, but a fcs win over a power 5 team with only two games into season seems worthy of top 25.

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[JSUSoutherner]

No recognition for Jax St win over Florida State? Yeah, 1-1 vs fbs, but a fcs win over a power 5 team with only two games into season seems worthy of top 25.

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He's a man who uses his brain.

[aceinthehole]

Other than conference bias, someone please explains #20 Monmouth to me?

If the Hawks were still in the NEC with a 1-1 record and a 3-pt win at Fordham, they wouldn't get a single vote. Fordham? The Rams are just 6-10 since 2019.


Preseason Ranking and after Week 1
Sacred Heart - what resume did the Hawks had that was that much more impressive than SHU heading into the season? NEC preseason #1 and Walter Payton Award hopeful Julius Chestnut. Defending NEC Champs Sacred Heart were 3-2 in the spring, including a 19-10 loss at Delaware in the playoffs. And opened week 1 with a shutout of Bucknell, yet remained unraked heading into week 2 while Monmouth only dropped to a few spots.

After 2 Weeks
Duquesne is 1-1 vs. two FBS teams and can't break into the top-25? After week 1, a Patriot League win at UConn was good enough for a Holy Cross ranking, but a NEC win vs. Ohio isn't enough.

[WestCoastAggie]

I thought voting closed on Tuesday? Is it too late to get a poll in?

[JSUSoutherner]

This week's poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-2-top-25-results-3/

Kind of surprised to see Jacksonville St hanging so low still. They started at #12 in the preseason, split their FBS games, and have dropped to #18 after week 2. Maybe our favorite sandbagging JSU fan is getting to the voters??? ;)


Probably because a good portion of the voters realize that despite the FSU head on a spike in front of our library that Grass is still our coach and this team is a bigger threat to themselves than they are a team of any significant worth.

[RabidRabbit]

Sam Houston Bearkats
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: James Madison Dukes
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: UC Davis Aggies
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: Southern Illinois Salukis
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Missouri State Bears
14: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
15: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
16: Monmouth Hawks
17: Austin Peay Governors
18: Duquesne Dukes
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: New Hampshire Wildcats
22: Nicholls Colonels
23: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
24: Murray State Racers
25: Virginia Military Institute Keydets

RabidRabbit

The Most Significant Win: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
The Most Significant Loss: Holy Cross Crusaders

Congrats to Jax St for your FSU scalp. HOLY NUTMEG, Holy Cross! Gathered a weak scalp week 1, then lose to a newly minted Low schollie FCS? Hope SDSU gets Patriot champ again this 2021 playoffs.

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[RabidRabbit]

After 2 Weeks

Duquesne is 1-1 vs. two FBS teams and can't break into the top-25? After week 1, a Patriot League win at UConn was good enough for a Holy Cross ranking, but a NEC win vs. Ohio isn't enough.

If hadn't been in preceding notes in FCS top 25, week 2, i would have missed this upset. I suspect many AGS voters didn't have Dukes on their radar, and since not in top 40, week 1, did miss.

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[lionsrking2]

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: Montana Grizzlies
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: James Madison Dukes
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
9: UC Davis Aggies
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Eastern Washington Eagles
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: Missouri State Bears
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Youngstown State Penguins
18: Incarnate Word Cardinals
19: Nicholls Colonels
20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
21: Richmond Spiders
22: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
23: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
24: Duquesne Dukes
25: Austin Peay Governors

lionsrking2

The Most Significant Win: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
The Most Significant Loss: Virginia Military Institute Keydets

[Professor Chaos]

Other than conference bias, someone please explains #20 Monmouth to me?

If the Hawks were still in the NEC with a 1-1 record and a 3-pt win at Fordham, they wouldn't get a single vote. Fordham? The Rams are just 6-10 since 2019.


Preseason Ranking and after Week 1
Sacred Heart - what resume did the Hawks had that was that much more impressive than SHU heading into the season? NEC preseason #1 and Walter Payton Award hopeful Julius Chestnut. Defending NEC Champs Sacred Heart were 3-2 in the spring, including a 19-10 loss at Delaware in the playoffs. And opened week 1 with a shutout of Bucknell, yet remained unraked heading into week 2 while Monmouth only dropped to a few spots.

After 2 Weeks
Duquesne is 1-1 vs. two FBS teams and can't break into the top-25? After week 1, a Patriot League win at UConn was good enough for a Holy Cross ranking, but a NEC win vs. Ohio isn't enough.
If you're looking at only this season you have a point. I still have Monmouth ranked because of preseason bias since they had a good spring that included nearly knocking out the eventual national champion in the first round of the playoffs.

We had a discussion in last week's poll thread about whether you should still use preseason bias in your poll ballots after the preseason poll and different voters have different philosophies but for me I give my preseason bias diminishing weight until week 6 or so and try to ignore it completely thereafter. So after week 2 it still holds a good amount of weight with me unless the team in question has proven it wrong at this point. Monmouth has been working toward proving it wrong though after getting boatraced by a below average FBS team in week 1 and barely squeaking by a middling Fordham in week 2 and the have dropped pretty considerably from where I had them in the preseason in my ballot.

FWIW I ranked Duquesne one spot ahead of Monmouth this week. xthumbsupx

[Professor Chaos]

I thought voting closed on Tuesday? Is it too late to get a poll in?
I think it was just Tuesday last week since there were Sunday games last week. Pretty sure the deadline will be Mondays at noon ET going forward. There was an error in the initial email that was sent out Saturday night announcing that the poll was open saying the deadline was Tuesday but it was corrected with another email a few hours later.

[WestCoastAggie]

I think it was just Tuesday last week since there were Sunday games last week. Pretty sure the deadline will be Mondays at noon ET going forward. There was an error in the initial email that was sent out Saturday night announcing that the poll was open saying the deadline was Tuesday but it was corrected with another email a few hours later.

Man. I wish that second email hit my inbox. I was filling out my ballot and stopped as soon as I saw Noon Tuesday. Oh well. My ballot didn't change too much from week 1 to week 2 anyway.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Other than conference bias, someone please explains #20 Monmouth to me?

If the Hawks were still in the NEC with a 1-1 record and a 3-pt win at Fordham, they wouldn't get a single vote. Fordham? The Rams are just 6-10 since 2019.


Preseason Ranking and after Week 1
Sacred Heart - what resume did the Hawks had that was that much more impressive than SHU heading into the season? NEC preseason #1 and Walter Payton Award hopeful Julius Chestnut. Defending NEC Champs Sacred Heart were 3-2 in the spring, including a 19-10 loss at Delaware in the playoffs. And opened week 1 with a shutout of Bucknell, yet remained unraked heading into week 2 while Monmouth only dropped to a few spots.

After 2 Weeks
Duquesne is 1-1 vs. two FBS teams and can't break into the top-25? After week 1, a Patriot League win at UConn was good enough for a Holy Cross ranking, but a NEC win vs. Ohio isn't enough.

Agreed.

[Preferred Walk-On]

After 2 Weeks

Duquesne is 1-1 vs. two FBS teams and can't break into the top-25? After week 1, a Patriot League win at UConn was good enough for a Holy Cross ranking, but a NEC win vs. Ohio isn't enough.

If hadn't been in preceding notes in FCS top 25, week 2, i would have missed this upset. I suspect many AGS voters didn't have Dukes on their radar, and since not in top 40, week 1, did miss.

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This was mentioned in the How They Fared thread as well.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/12/2021 21:45:21

Your vote is listed below.

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Weber State Wildcats
11: UC Davis Aggies
12: Northern Iowa Panthers
13: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
16: Missouri State Bears
17: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
18: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
19: Austin Peay Governors
20: Murray State Racers
21: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
22: South Dakota Coyotes
23: Chattanooga Mocs
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: Duquesne Dukes

Preferred Walk-On

The Most Significant Win: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
The Most Significant Loss: Holy Cross Crusaders
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[aceinthehole]

If hadn't been in preceding notes in FCS top 25, week 2, i would have missed this upset. I suspect many AGS voters didn't have Dukes on their radar, and since not in top 40, week 1, did miss.

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My point exactly. NEC teams are playing against the bias every week. Sacred Heart had a very good spring season, has a Payton candidate, and played well at Delaware in the playoffs. SHU was NEC preseason #1 and should have had more hype heading to this season. Then scores a convincing win in week 1.

Duquesne beat SHU in the spring, but lost the rubber match in the NEC Championship. A solid team, but certainly not ranking worthy to start the season. Holy Cross comes in as defending PL champs (but didn't fair as well in the playoffs as SHU) and a win over UConn earns a ranking? The following week the Dukes beat a better FBS team, but no one notices.

Voters should be judging teams, and not conference labels. Shouldn't have to have NEC fans be the only ones to talk up their teams :(

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I thought voting closed on Tuesday? Is it too late to get a poll in?

I sent a correction email but it is my fault and I will go open it back up for a few of you that apparently did not see that since I was the cause of that one.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Sam Houston Bearkats
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: James Madison Dukes
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: UC Davis Aggies
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: Southern Illinois Salukis
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Missouri State Bears
14: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
15: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
16: Monmouth Hawks
17: Austin Peay Governors
18: Duquesne Dukes
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: New Hampshire Wildcats
22: Nicholls Colonels
23: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
24: Murray State Racers
25: Virginia Military Institute Keydets

RabidRabbit

The Most Significant Win: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
The Most Significant Loss: Holy Cross Crusaders

Congrats to Jax St for your FSU scalp. HOLY NUTMEG, Holy Cross! Gathered a weak scalp week 1, then lose to a newly minted Low schollie FCS? Hope SDSU gets Patriot champ again this 2021 playoffs.

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Any reason you did not answer my emails...and text?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I think it was just Tuesday last week since there were Sunday games last week. Pretty sure the deadline will be Mondays at noon ET going forward. There was an error in the initial email that was sent out Saturday night announcing that the poll was open saying the deadline was Tuesday but it was corrected with another email a few hours later.

Yes, it will be Monday as is the usual outside on Week 1. If you get the original email yoou should get the correction email as well but I caused some confusion on that one apparently.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Man. I wish that second email hit my inbox. I was filling out my ballot and stopped as soon as I saw Noon Tuesday. Oh well. My ballot didn't change too much from week 1 to week 2 anyway.

It never got bounced back so pretty sure it is there somewhere but doesn't matter as I reopened it for you. It won't be added to the current tally but you can put it in to save perfection anyway.

[atthewbon]

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: James Madison Dukes
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
10: Eastern Washington Eagles
11: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: UC Davis Aggies
14: Northern Iowa Panthers
15: Missouri State Bears
16: Monmouth Hawks
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
19: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
20: Austin Peay Governors
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Rhode Island Rams
23: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
24: Furman Paladins
25: Murray State Racers

FWIW I often rank more than 25 teams and I had Duquesne at 26. I thought about putting them in but I’m just not convinced. While it is probably NEC bias that kept them out there is some reason for it. As far as I’m aware The NEC has only one win in the playoffs recently and it was in a crazy weather game against Towson (Duquesne then got destroyed by SDSU). At this point it’s so hard to rank the last few spots and there are so many teams that have reasons to be ranked you can’t really discredit voters who look over an NEC team.

[Cocky]

After 2 Weeks

Duquesne is 1-1 vs. two FBS teams and can't break into the top-25? After week 1, a Patriot League win at UConn was good enough for a Holy Cross ranking, but a NEC win vs. Ohio isn't enough.

If hadn't been in preceding notes in FCS top 25, week 2, i would have missed this upset. I suspect many AGS voters didn't have Dukes on their radar, and since not in top 40, week 1, did miss.

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I dont have JSU in my top 25 and we have a P5 win. We also have an embarrassing loss to an avg UAB team.

[Chalupa Batman]

No recognition for Jax St win over Florida State? Yeah, 1-1 vs fbs, but a fcs win over a power 5 team with only two games into season seems worthy of top 25.

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They are just outside of my top 25 (along with Duquesne). Maybe I'm being too harsh but I don't feel they deserve to be ranked solely because of one lucky play. If they don't catch the last second heave, or catch it but get tackled at the 5 yard line, would they still be ranked where they are with an 0-2 record?

[caribbeanhen]

UD still about 10 spots too high.
UNI deserves higher ranking.
Looks pretty good otherwise. Beyond 20 is a crapshoot.

I agree with your assessment

[aceinthehole]

Monmouth is a NEC team with a different label.

Let's take Monmouth's non-conf resume "as is" this year and just put a NEC patch on their jerseys and they don't get the votes or ranking they are getting today!

2020 FCS Playoffs
Sacred Heart - 10
Delaware - 19

Monmouth - 15
Sam Houston St. - 21

Duquesne FCS Playoff History
2015 - L, 49-52 at William & Mary
2018 - W, 31-10 at Towson; L, 6-51 at SDSU

Does a Monmouth playoff win vs. Holy Cross carry that much more weight than a Duquesne playoff win over Towson? Again, MU never got this respect while in the NEC ...

[Daytripper]

My point exactly. NEC teams are playing against the bias every week. Sacred Heart had a very good spring season, has a Payton candidate, and played well at Delaware in the playoffs. SHU was NEC preseason #1 and should have had more hype heading to this season. Then scores a convincing win in week 1.

Duquesne beat SHU in the spring, but lost the rubber match in the NEC Championship. A solid team, but certainly not ranking worthy to start the season. Holy Cross comes in as defending PL champs (but didn't fair as well in the playoffs as SHU) and a win over UConn earns a ranking? The following week the Dukes beat a better FBS team, but no one notices.

Voters should be judging teams, and not conference labels. Shouldn't have to have NEC fans be the only ones to talk up their teams :(

I don't think anybody is arguing against your point. I actually am going to keep this in my mind for next week. You make a valid argument.

[Professor Chaos]

My point exactly. NEC teams are playing against the bias every week. Sacred Heart had a very good spring season, has a Payton candidate, and played well at Delaware in the playoffs. SHU was NEC preseason #1 and should have had more hype heading to this season. Then scores a convincing win in week 1.

Duquesne beat SHU in the spring, but lost the rubber match in the NEC Championship. A solid team, but certainly not ranking worthy to start the season. Holy Cross comes in as defending PL champs (but didn't fair as well in the playoffs as SHU) and a win over UConn earns a ranking? The following week the Dukes beat a better FBS team, but no one notices.

Voters should be judging teams, and not conference labels. Shouldn't have to have NEC fans be the only ones to talk up their teams :(
Any chance Sacred Heart had of getting ranked went out the window with their 17-6 loss to Bryant last Saturday. And your Duquesne argument would land better with me if you left out the "no one notices" comment with them. They got 45 votes so I'd wager that's at least 10 voters, and probably more like 15-20, had them in their top 25. Just because they weren't in a voters top 25 doesn't mean they didn't notice them. I currently have a list of 14 teams outside of my top 25 on a "Watch List" and I bet Duquesne is at least in that group for every voter that keeps one and didn't have them in their top 25.

Holy Cross and Sacred Heart both finished the spring ranked in the top 25 (Sacred Heart ranked higher I might add). Had Sacred Heart beat UConn or Ohio I'm sure they would've gotten into the top 25. Unlike those teams Duquesne had to come from completely off the radar. The good news for the Dukes is if they continue this trajectory and win the NEC they'll work their way well into the top 25 by season's end.

[SpreadTheWord]

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: Montana Grizzlies
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: James Madison Dukes
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: Northern Iowa Panthers
8: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
9: UC Davis Aggies
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Eastern Washington Eagles
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
14: Weber State Wildcats
15: Missouri State Bears
16: New Hampshire Wildcats
17: Youngstown State Penguins
18: Incarnate Word Cardinals
19: Nicholls Colonels
20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
21: Richmond Spiders
22: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
23: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
24: Duquesne Dukes
25: Austin Peay Governors

lionsrking2

The Most Significant Win: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
The Most Significant Loss: Virginia Military Institute Keydets

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[Professor Chaos]

They are just outside of my top 25 (along with Duquesne). Maybe I'm being too harsh but I don't feel they deserve to be ranked solely because of one lucky play. If they don't catch the last second heave, or catch it but get tackled at the 5 yard line, would they still be ranked where they are with an 0-2 record?
I saw it a little differently... if it was a hail mary I'd tend to agree with you but that looked like a play that could pretty plausibly happen at any point in the game. I thought it was more a great throw than a desperation heave. It was horrendous tackling by the FSU DBs though. You can reverse that hypothetical and say if that happens with 2 minutes left do you still not rank them? Missouri St took the lead on UCA with 29 seconds remaining so that's a pretty good comparison.

[JSUSoutherner]

I saw it a little differently... if it was a hail mary I'd tend to agree with you but that looked like a play that could pretty plausibly happen at any point in the game. I thought it was more a great throw than a desperation heave. It was horrendous tackling by the FSU DBs though. You can reverse that hypothetical and say if that happens with 2 minutes left do you still not rank them? Missouri St took the lead on UCA with 29 seconds remaining so that's a pretty good comparison.

Here's a point that's separate from the last second touchdown:

We played like ass.

FSU just sucked more than we did.

[Professor Chaos]

Here's a point that's separate from the last second touchdown:

We played like ass.

FSU just sucked more than we did.
Would all of the sucking in Tallahassee last Saturday explain the course of Tropical Storm Nicholas?

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[POD Knows]

Here is the answer key for the poll:

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sam Houston Bearkats
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: Southern Illinois Salukis
6: North Dakota State Bison
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Weber State Wildcats
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
15: Missouri State Bears
16: UC Davis Aggies
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Monmouth Hawks
20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
21: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
22: New Hampshire Wildcats
23: Furman Paladins
24: Murray State Racers
25: Austin Peay Governors

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
The Most Significant Loss: Holy Cross Crusaders
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Chalupa Batman]

I saw it a little differently... if it was a hail mary I'd tend to agree with you but that looked like a play that could pretty plausibly happen at any point in the game. I thought it was more a great throw than a desperation heave. It was horrendous tackling by the FSU DBs though. You can reverse that hypothetical and say if that happens with 2 minutes left do you still not rank them? Missouri St took the lead on UCA with 29 seconds remaining so that's a pretty good comparison.

It didn't look like a typical hail mary, but when you have to go 59 yards to find the end zone on the last play of the game that's exactly what it is. FSU had either horrible coverage or a terrible defensive call to allow the receiver to get behind the defense at that moment of the game, coupled with the horrendous tackling you mentioned along with what looked like an embarrassing lack of hustle. JSU's performance against FSU was worthy of standing pat with where I had them the week before, as opposed to say UNI's performance against Iowa State in week 1 resulting in getting them a bump in my poll. If I had JSU at #20 after week 1, they would've been right around there this week as well. I didn't have JSU ranked after week 1, so for me they're still not ranked.

The play that Missouri State took the lead on was 26 yards out so I don't really think that's a similar situation. Even if they didn't score on that play they would have still had 29 seconds to move the ball 26 yards with all 3 timeouts left I believe, a much more manageable situation than having to get 59 yards on what you know is the final play.

[The Yo Show]

So for me, I didn't have Jacksonville State in my poll for week 1, I had to add them in on week two.

[JSUSoutherner]

It didn't look like a typical hail mary, but when you have to go 59 yards to find the end zone on the last play of the game that's exactly what it is. FSU had either horrible coverage or a terrible defensive call to allow the receiver to get behind the defense at that moment of the game, coupled with the horrendous tackling you mentioned along with what looked like an embarrassing lack of hustle. JSU's performance against FSU was worthy of standing pat with where I had them the week before, as opposed to say UNI's performance against Iowa State in week 1 resulting in getting them a bump in my poll. If I had JSU at #20 after week 1, they would've been right around there this week as well. I didn't have JSU ranked after week 1, so for me they're still not ranked.

The play that Missouri State took the lead on was 26 yards out so I don't really think that's a similar situation. Even if they didn't score on that play they would have still had 29 seconds to move the ball 26 yards with all 3 timeouts left I believe, a much more manageable situation than having to get 59 yards on what you know is the final play.

So you didn't watch the game? Got it.

[kdinva]

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Weber State Wildcats
9: Villanova Wildcats
10: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
11: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
12: Montana State Bobcats
13: UC Davis Aggies
14: Southern Illinois Salukis
15: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
16: Monmouth Hawks
17: Northern Iowa Panthers
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Furman Paladins
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: New Hampshire Wildcats
22: Missouri State Bears
23: South Dakota Coyotes
24: Rhode Island Rams
25: Chattanooga Mocs



The Most Significant Win: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
The Most Significant Loss: Samford Bulldogs

[ElCid]

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Weber State Wildcats
9: Villanova Wildcats
10: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
11: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
12: Montana State Bobcats
13: UC Davis Aggies
14: Southern Illinois Salukis
15: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
16: Monmouth Hawks
17: Northern Iowa Panthers
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Furman Paladins
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: New Hampshire Wildcats
22: Missouri State Bears
23: South Dakota Coyotes
24: Rhode Island Rams
25: Chattanooga Mocs



The Most Significant Win: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
The Most Significant Loss: Samford Bulldogs

Yeah, unfortunately, I couldn't vote for them this week either. Season is young.

[KPSUL]

Richmond is currently ranked primarily because of their 3-1 Spring record. Two of their wins were against Elon, the other against William and Mary. Both teams were struggling last Spring - the only reason either of them won a game is because they had to play one another. Richmond was 5-7 in 2019, 4-7 in 2018. They have won two games so far this season - 2 games they were expected to win against a mediocre MEAC team and hapless 2021 Lehigh. Now Richmond may be a very good team, but that remains to be seen. The Richmond @ Villanova game this Saturday will be the first test for both teams.

[Katfan]

Richmond is currently ranked primarily because of their 3-1 Spring record. Two of their wins were against Elon, the other against William and Mary. Both teams were struggling last Spring - the only reason either of them won a game is because they had to play one another. Richmond was 5-7 in 2019, 4-7 in 2018. They have won two games so far this season - 2 games they were expected to win against a mediocre MEAC team and hapless 2021 Lehigh. Now Richmond may be a very good team, but that remains to be seen. The Richmond @ Villanova game this Saturday will be the first test for both teams.
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