AGS Poll Results - Week 1 - 2021

[AGSPoll]

9/7/2021



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1355
20


2
Sam Houston Bearkats
1354
29


3
James Madison Dukes
1256
2


4
Montana Grizzlies
1227
5


5
North Dakota State Bison
1196



6
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
1048



7
Eastern Washington Eagles
980



8
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
952



9
Southern Illinois Salukis
919



10
Weber State Wildcats
905



11
Montana State Bobcats
657



12
UC Davis Aggies
650



13
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
603



14
Villanova Wildcats
601



15
Virginia Military Institute Keydets
516



16
Northern Iowa Panthers
497



17
Central Arkansas Bears
443



18
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
400



19
Austin Peay Governors
384



20
Monmouth Hawks
354



21
Missouri State Bears
347



22
Richmond Spiders
233



23
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
223



24
Holy Cross Crusaders
209



25
Murray State Racers
198
















ORV:




26
Samford Bulldogs
121



27
New Hampshire Wildcats
67



28
Furman Paladins
65



29
Nicholls Colonels
63



30
Sacred Heart Pioneers
57



31
Chattanooga Mocs
51



32
Sac State Hornets
49



33
Rhode Island Rams
46



34
Illinois State Redbirds
45



35
Kennesaw State Owls
31



36T
Yale Bulldogs
19



36T
Princeton Tigers
19



38
Youngstown State Penguins
17



39
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
13



40
Incarnate Word/Wofford Tied
6
















Most Significant Win:
Montana Grizzlies





Most Significant Loss:
Chattanooga Mocs

[ursus arctos horribilis]

After having the first tie for #1 ever in the AGS Poll between Weber and SHSU in Week 6 of the spring season I think this is the first time the #1 spot has been determined by a single point. Sam Houston, always a flair for the dramatic!

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Also, a lot of matchups in former NC games in the first 7 spots that I don't remember noticing before either. I'm talking about specific back to back positions.
1-2
3-4
6-7

If EWU would have been flipped with UD it would have added one more.

[The Yo Show]

After having the first tie for #1 ever in the AGS Poll between Weber and SHSU in Week 6 of the spring season I think this is the first time the #1 spot has been determined by a single point. Sam Houston, always a flair for the dramatic!

I will be honest and say I don't remember looking at the poll (or even voting) that week in the spring. How was that handled in standings? Were both just #1 and then the next team after those two was #3?

[Chalupa Batman]

It looks like I’m to blame for there not being a tie in the poll this week. [emoji16]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Sam Houston Bearkats
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Southern Illinois Salukis
8: Weber State Wildcats
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: UC Davis Aggies
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
13: Montana State Bobcats
14: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
15: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
16: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Northern Iowa Panthers
19: Austin Peay Governors
20: Holy Cross Crusaders
21: Nicholls Colonels
22: Monmouth Hawks
23: Missouri State Bears
24: Sac State Hornets
25: Richmond Spiders

Chalupa Batman

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: Missouri State Bears
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[The Yo Show]

Also, not sure how Youngstown State has any votes. As much as I would like to think we will be good since I am a fan, I would not be voting for them until they prove something.

My poll:

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sam Houston Bearkats
3: Montana Grizzlies
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Northern Iowa Panthers
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: North Dakota State Bison
8: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Southern Illinois Salukis
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
14: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
15: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
16: Holy Cross Crusaders
17: UC Davis Aggies
18: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
19: Sacred Heart Pioneers
20: Murray State Racers
21: Richmond Spiders
22: Monmouth Hawks
23: Austin Peay Governors
24: Missouri State Bears
25: Samford Bulldogs

The Yo Show

The Most Significant Win: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Iowa Panthers
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[BEAR]

UCA loses to an FBS team it lead at halftime that also beat us handily last year and we drop some spots....nice. xlolx

Time to prove ourselves against FCS competition. Missouri State at their house will be a good one! xthumbsupx

[atthewbon]

Your vote is listed below.


1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: James Madison Dukes
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
10: Eastern Washington Eagles
11: Weber State Wildcats
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
14: Monmouth Hawks
15: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
16: UC Davis Aggies
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
19: Austin Peay Governors
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: Sac State Hornets
22: Missouri State Bears
23: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
24: Furman Paladins
25: Northern Iowa Panthers

[Daytripper]

UCA loses to an FBS team it lead at halftime that also beat us handily last year and we drop some spots....nice. xlolx

Time to prove ourselves against FCS competition. Missouri State at their house will be a good one! xthumbsupx

Moreover just a product of some teams with big FBS wins jumping you. We handily won our opener on the road at 7000 ft. and lost our spot. It will all wash out.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I will be honest and say I don't remember looking at the poll (or even voting) that week in the spring. How was that handled in standings? Were both just #1 and then the next team after those two was #3?

Correct. I closed the thread but I'll just take this opportunity to tell everyone that around the time of poll releases bumping ANY old poll result thread is highly inadvisable.

https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?268105-AGS-Poll-Results-WEEK-6-POLL-2021-SPRING-SEASON&p=2955681#post2955681

[Daytripper]

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Montana Grizzlies
4: James Madison Dukes
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: UC Davis Aggies
8: Southern Illinois Salukis
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Weber State Wildcats
11: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
12: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Holy Cross Crusaders
15: Monmouth Hawks
16: Northern Iowa Panthers
17: Nicholls Colonels
18: Montana State Bobcats
19: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
20: Murray State Racers
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Austin Peay Governors
23: Furman Paladins
24: Missouri State Bears
25: South Dakota Coyotes

[ursus arctos horribilis]

UCA loses to an FBS team it lead at halftime that also beat us handily last year and we drop some spots....nice. xlolx

Time to prove ourselves against FCS competition. Missouri State at their house will be a good one! xthumbsupx

People say things like this fairly often. It isn't all about you.

BTW, trying to use a preseason poll as some sort of solid thing vs. after Week 1 is a bit silly too. If this were Week 8 you might have a least some decent footing to make this sort of a case.

[Daytripper]

Sammy gets 9 more first place votes but is not #1? Some of that Anti-Sam Houston bias is showing up in the data. Most everybody that posts their poll has them in the top 1-3. That tells me that those who choose not to show their votes know it will come under scrutiny...xcoffeex

[grizband]

Ugh...I will get my poll in next week. I blame the first day of school, and the Montana excitement hangover!

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[POD Knows]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sam Houston Bearkats
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: Southern Illinois Salukis
6: North Dakota State Bison
7: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: Montana State Bobcats
11: Weber State Wildcats
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
14: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
15: Monmouth Hawks
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Northern Iowa Panthers
18: Missouri State Bears
19: UC Davis Aggies
20: Austin Peay Governors
21: Murray State Racers
22: Richmond Spiders
23: Samford Bulldogs
24: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
25: Holy Cross Crusaders

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: McNeese Cowboys
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Professor Chaos]

After having the first tie for #1 ever in the AGS Poll between Weber and SHSU in Week 6 of the spring season I think this is the first time the #1 spot has been determined by a single point. Sam Houston, always a flair for the dramatic!
It's also SDSU's first time ever at #1 in the AGS Poll.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Sammy gets 9 more first place votes but is not #1? Some of that Anti-Sam Houston bias is showing up in the data. Most everybody that posts their poll has them in the top 1-3. That tells me that those who choose not to show their votes know it will come under scrutiny...xcoffeex

Actually, previous data suggests that it is the same 10-15 people that (almost) always post their poll, and the others typically do not. I don't think their not posting will have anything to do with shafting Sammy; however, in the interest of full disclosure:

-----

Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/5/2021 13:59:38

Your vote is listed below.

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Southern Illinois Salukis
6: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Weber State Wildcats
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
14: UC Davis Aggies
15: Northern Iowa Panthers
16: Sac State Hornets
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Missouri State Bears
19: Austin Peay Governors
20: Murray State Racers
21: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
22: Central Arkansas Bears
23: Chattanooga Mocs
24: Holy Cross Crusaders
25: Samford Bulldogs

Preferred Walk-On

The Most Significant Win: UC Davis Aggies
The Most Significant Loss: Monmouth Hawks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Professor Chaos]

Here's this week's poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-1-top-25-results-3/

Kind of interesting to see Monmouth and Jacksonville St hammered pretty hard for FBS losses (although I contributed to JSU's big drop so this is self-criticism for likely overrating them in the preseason). Despite 9 of the top 12 teams being in the Big Sky or MVFC 10 conferences (if you count the WAC and ASUN separately) are represented in the top 25 this week.

[POD Knows]

I picked SDSU over SHSU because they looked a hell of a lot better against a tougher opponent that SHSU did over the weekend. Really that simple for me.

[Professor Chaos]

Here's mine... not very pleased with it but it'll get better.

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Montana Grizzlies
4: James Madison Dukes
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: Southern Illinois Salukis
8: Eastern Washington Eagles
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Central Arkansas Bears
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: UC Davis Aggies
13: Montana State Bobcats
14: Monmouth Hawks
15: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
16: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
17: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Austin Peay Governors
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: Holy Cross Crusaders
22: Chattanooga Mocs
23: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
24: Richmond Spiders
25: Kennesaw State Owls

[Professor Chaos]

Also kind of disappointing to see the number of voters still hanging down in the 50s. We were in the 80s and 90s for all of fall 2019. Hopefully it's just the Labor Day weekend doldrums and trying to get back into the swing of a real fall football season after a year off and it'll start picking back up.

[Daytripper]

I picked SDSU over SHSU because they looked a hell of a lot better against a tougher opponent that SHSU did over the weekend. Really that simple for me.

I have no problem with that whatsoever. If I wasn't a Sam Houston homer I probably would have done the same thing. But I think putting Sammy anywhere outside the top 2 or 3 is hard to justify.

[Professor Chaos]

Sammy gets 9 more first place votes but is not #1? Some of that Anti-Sam Houston bias is showing up in the data. Most everybody that posts their poll has them in the top 1-3. That tells me that those who choose not to show their votes know it will come under scrutiny...xcoffeex
I think you're manufacturing that bias. If you look at the data you'll see that SH got 629 points amongst the 27 ballots where they weren't #1 which averages out to 23.3 points per ballot. That means they averaged being between #2 and #3 on all ballots where they weren't #1.

[Katfan]

I think you're manufacturing that bias. If you look at the data you'll see that SH got 629 points amongst the 27 ballots where they weren't #1 which averages out to 23.3 points per ballot. That means they averaged being between #2 and #3 on all ballots where they weren't #1.
That’s what we do. 😂

[Daytripper]

That’s what we do. 

True. xnodx

[TheKingpin28]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana Grizzlies
3: Sam Houston Bearkats
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
8: Weber State Wildcats
9: Southern Illinois Salukis
10: Northern Iowa Panthers
11: Central Arkansas Bears
12: Montana State Bobcats
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
15: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: Missouri State Bears
18: Austin Peay Governors
19: Murray State Racers
20: UC Davis Aggies
21: Chattanooga Mocs
22: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
23: Richmond Spiders
24: Samford Bulldogs
25: East Tennessee State Buccaneers

[TheKingpin28]

I rarely if ever criticize on week 1, but either my poll is a genius or everyone else is seeing something I am not. I told Thumper/IBY/Winterborn/POD, to keep an eye on Montana for their Washington game and they did not disappoint. You'd be hardpressed to keep them out of the top 2, but that is just me.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Also kind of disappointing to see the number of voters still hanging down in the 50s. We were in the 80s and 90s for all of fall 2019. Hopefully it's just the Labor Day weekend doldrums and trying to get back into the swing of a real fall football season after a year off and it'll start picking back up.

Same thought here as well and I am really disappointed by the showing because we have always had a very high percentage of people eligible to vote placing a ballot in. Out of 99 voters, we have a little over 1/2 now as opposed to 80-90%?

As you said, I sure hope it is a one time thing and we start making our way back to some better numbers with the voters.

[WileECoyote06]

Hard to believe Montana only got five first place votes.

[POD Knows]

I have no problem with that whatsoever. If I wasn't a Sam Houston homer I probably would have done the same thing. But I think putting Sammy anywhere outside the top 2 or 3 is hard to justify.
100% agree with you there.

[ElCid]

Sammy gets 9 more first place votes but is not #1? Some of that Anti-Sam Houston bias is showing up in the data. Most everybody that posts their poll has them in the top 1-3. That tells me that those who choose not to show their votes know it will come under scrutiny...xcoffeex

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. But not just for SHSU. Same thing for Montana. They got more first place votes than JMU, but are behind them. So it is one of many things; people who did not vote them #1 actually voted for where they thought they ought to be (a bit lower), or those voted them #1 have them a bit high. It is an interesting phenomena and appears to highlight some possible conference partisan placement. Or it could just be where folks think they ought to be. Too early in the season to get cynical though. It will come out in the wash.

[Catbooster]

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sam Houston Bearkats
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
8: Southern Illinois Salukis
9: Montana State Bobcats
10: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
11: UC Davis Aggies
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: Missouri State Bears
15: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
16: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
17: Northern Iowa Panthers
18: Austin Peay Governors
19: Central Arkansas Bears
20: Holy Cross Crusaders
21: Monmouth Hawks
22: Murray State Racers
23: Sacred Heart Pioneers
24: Richmond Spiders
25: Illinois State Redbirds

Catbooster

The Most Significant Win: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
The Most Significant Loss: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference​

[SonuvaHenx2]

Hello SonuvaHenx2,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/6/2021 20:57:08

Your vote is listed below.


1: Montana Grizzlies
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Sam Houston Bearkats
4: James Madison Dukes
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Southern Illinois Salukis
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: UC Davis Aggies
11: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
14: Austin Peay Governors
15: Montana State Bobcats
16: Northern Iowa Panthers
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Missouri State Bears
19: New Hampshire Wildcats
20: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
21: Sacred Heart Pioneers
22: Richmond Spiders
23: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
24: Holy Cross Crusaders
25: Nicholls Colonels

SonuvaHenx2

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Colonial Athletic Association

[Daytripper]

9/7/2021



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1355
20


2
Sam Houston Bearkats
1354
29


3
James Madison Dukes
1256
2


4
Montana Grizzlies
1227
5


5
North Dakota State Bison
1196



6
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
1048



7
Eastern Washington Eagles
980



8
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
952



9
Southern Illinois Salukis
919



10
Weber State Wildcats
905



11
Montana State Bobcats
657



12
UC Davis Aggies
650



13
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
603



14
Villanova Wildcats
601



15
Virginia Military Institute Keydets
516



16
Northern Iowa Panthers
497



17
Central Arkansas Bears
443



18
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
400



19
Austin Peay Governors
384



20
Monmouth Hawks
354



21
Missouri State Bears
347



22
Richmond Spiders
233



23
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
223



24
Holy Cross Crusaders
209



25
Murray State Racers
198
















ORV:




26
Samford Bulldogs
121



27
New Hampshire Wildcats
67



28
Furman Paladins
65



29
Nicholls Colonels
63



30
Sacred Heart Pioneers
57



31
Chattanooga Mocs
51



32
Sac State Hornets
49



33
Rhode Island Rams
46



34
Illinois State Redbirds
45



35
Kennesaw State Owls
31



36T
Yale Bulldogs
19



36T
Princeton Tigers
19



38
Youngstown State Penguins
17



39
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
13



40
Incarnate Word/Wofford Tied
6
















Most Significant Win:
Montana Grizzlies




Most Significant Loss:
Chattanooga Mocs




Am I the only one who gave South Dakota Coyotes a vote after almost beating a Big 12 (terrible, yes) team?

[Professor Chaos]

Am I the only one who gave South Dakota Coyotes a vote after almost beating a Big 12 (terrible, yes) team?
Maybe I'm wrong and USD is better than I think this year but based on that game I think KU would be a bottom half of the MVFC type team right now. So I didn't give USD much credit for almost beating them.

[atthewbon]

Here's this week's poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-1-top-25-results-3/

Kind of interesting to see Monmouth and Jacksonville St hammered pretty hard for FBS losses (although I contributed to JSU's big drop so this is self-criticism for likely overrating them in the preseason).

I was also surprised to see JSU and Monmouth drop so much. I decided not to punish them for the fbs loss. Looking back on it I probably should have a little because both teams didn't look too good but I still think both teams should be ranked a little higher than they are.

[Rjones61]

Its refreshing to not see 99%of the votes go to one team.

How does NDSU look post Trey Lance? I haven't been following lately.

I'm going to get a lot of hate here and say that I think there are still things that need to be proven for Montana. If you looked at the UW vs Montana stats, you would assume that Montana took a licking. Okay, maybe that is dramatic, but the point still stands. I'm not saying they arent good, but I need to see more before I think they are the top dog.

[McCowboys]

Hello McCowboys,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/6/2021 6:42:04

Your vote is listed below.


1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: James Madison Dukes
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
8: Southern Illinois Salukis
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Eastern Washington Eagles
11: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: Montana State Bobcats
14: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
15: Murray State Racers
16: Richmond Spiders
17: Austin Peay Governors
18: UC Davis Aggies
19: Missouri State Bears
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: Central Arkansas Bears
22: Monmouth Hawks
23: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
24: Chattanooga Mocs
25: Samford Bulldogs

McCowboys

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
The Most Significant Loss: Nicholls Colonels
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Southland Conference

My apologies to East Tennessee State. I totally overlooked them. I knew Montana had beaten Washington, but I didn't get to see a replay until this morning or I probably would have placed them much higher than I did.

[Bisonoline]

Its refreshing to not see 99%of the votes go to one team.

How does NDSU look post Trey Lance? I haven't been following lately.

I'm going to get a lot of hate here and say that I think there are still things that need to be proven for Montana. If you looked at the UW vs Montana stats, you would assume that Montana took a licking. Okay, maybe that is dramatic, but the point still stands. I'm not saying they arent good, but I need to see more before I think they are the top dog.

NDSU has a lot of work to do. Oline an play calling.

[clenz]

Maybe I'm wrong and USD is better than I think this year but based on that game I think KU would be a bottom half of the MVFC type team right now. So I didn't give USD much credit for almost beating them.
Wasn't it just 2019 when Indian State took Kansas to the brink, and maybe even down to the final play and then went 5-7 while also losing to a PFL team the next week?

USD is the same program that took Kansas State to a last second FG from beating them and then went 4-7

Kansas is not exactly the best barometer for judging a "FBS upset" type game. Kansas would not be a top half Valley team. That's not even me being "VALLEY THE BEST" by any stretch. I legitimately don't believe Kansas is a top half Valley team. SDSU, NDSU, SIU, UNI and UND are all better without a doubt in my mind. I also think MSU and USD are every bit their equal (50/50) type games.

[TheKingpin28]

NDSU has a lot of work to do. Oline an play calling.

This.

Personally, for me, as long as Tyler Roehl is the OC, and NDSU does not have an NFL caliber QB, he is going to be a hinderance for this team. The team can only run so many jet sweeps, dives, and RPO before the defense knows what is coming their direction. When they get the TEs involved and they chip the DEs/LBs, it opens up the playbook that much more.

[Hambone]

Hello Hambone,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/7/2021 7:46:25

Your vote is listed below.


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sam Houston Bearkats
3: Montana Grizzlies
4: James Madison Dukes
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: Southern Illinois Salukis
8: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
11: Weber State Wildcats
12: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
13: UC Davis Aggies
14: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
15: Montana State Bobcats
16: Holy Cross Crusaders
17: Austin Peay Governors
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Monmouth Hawks
22: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
23: Missouri State Bears
24: Furman Paladins
25: Nicholls Colonels

Hambone

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: McNeese Cowboys
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[dewey]

Here is my top 25....feel free to provide feedback as needed.

Hello dewey,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/6/2021 20:44:17

Your vote is listed below.


1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Montana Grizzlies
4: James Madison Dukes
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: Southern Illinois Salukis
8: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
9: UC Davis Aggies
10: Weber State Wildcats
11: Missouri State Bears
12: Montana State Bobcats
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: Monmouth Hawks
15: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Northern Iowa Panthers
19: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
20: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
21: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
22: Austin Peay Governors
23: Holy Cross Crusaders
24: Richmond Spiders
25: Chattanooga Mocs

dewey

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Iowa Panthers
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Dewey

[caribbeanhen]

Here's this week's poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-1-top-25-results-3/

Kind of interesting to see Monmouth and Jacksonville St hammered pretty hard for FBS losses (although I contributed to JSU's big drop so this is self-criticism for likely overrating them in the preseason). Despite 9 of the top 12 teams being in the Big Sky or MVFC 10 conferences (if you count the WAC and ASUN separately) are represented in the top 25 this week.

it just depends on the loss

Your vote is listed below.


1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sam Houston Bearkats
3: Montana Grizzlies
4: James Madison Dukes
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
10: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
11: Central Arkansas Bears
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Montana State Bobcats
14: Northern Iowa Panthers
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
17: UC Davis Aggies
18: Missouri State Bears
19: Austin Peay Governors
20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
21: Monmouth Hawks
22: Murray State Racers
23: Holy Cross Crusaders
24: Richmond Spiders
25: Furman Paladins

caribbeanhen

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: McNeese Cowboys
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Colonial Athletic Association

[JSUSoutherner]

WHO...

AND I MEAN WHO IN THE KENTUCKY FRIED **** IS STILL VOTING FOR JACKSONVILLE STATE?!


Stop It. Get Some Help.

It's heccin' Embarrassing!

*Kicks Trash Can*

[Daytripper]

WHO...

AND I MEAN WHO IN THE KENTUCKY FRIED **** IS STILL VOTING FOR JACKSONVILLE STATE?!


Stop It. Get Some Help.

It's heccin' Embarrassing!

*Kicks Trash Can*

I had them mid teens in the pre-season poll but bumped them out completely for this week. You're welcome. xthumbsupx

[Professor Chaos]

WHO...

AND I MEAN WHO IN THE KENTUCKY FRIED **** IS STILL VOTING FOR JACKSONVILLE STATE?!


Stop It. Get Some Help.

It's heccin' Embarrassing!

*Kicks Trash Can*
Can never count them out with CotY candidate John Grass on their sideline.... :p

[JSUSoutherner]

I had them mid teens in the pre-season poll but bumped them out completely for this week. You're welcome. xthumbsupx
You screwed up when you ranked them preseason. But at least you saw the error in your ways.


Can never count them out with CotY candidate John Grass on their sideline.... :p

Clown of the Year, yes.

[POD Knows]

And completely ignored UC Davis' win over an FBS team that was suppose to kill us by a whole bunch.Who ignored it???

[lucchesicourt]

Sorry, it somehow got deleted Kingpin28
Marveled about the success of picking Montana as the team to watch out for. But, missed on UCD games by placing them at #20. Surely missed the target here.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I admit, I was a bit too harsh on Monmouth...

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
8: Southern Illinois Salukis
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: Yale Bulldogs
11: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Holy Cross Crusaders
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: Austin Peay Governors
18: Princeton Tigers
19: UC Davis Aggies
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Missouri State Bears
22: Montana State Bobcats
23: Chattanooga Mocs
24: Monmouth Hawks
25: Virginia Military Institute Keydets

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: Monmouth Hawks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[TheKingpin28]

Sorry, it somehow got deleted Kingpin28
Marveled about the success of picking Montana as the team to watch out for. But, missed on UCD games by placing them at #20. Surely missed the target here.We will see, but my poll almost always are very accurate. This might be the first time I truly disagreed with the aggregate. Knowing what Montana "did in the spring" and knowing who they had coming back, I told the guys at the tailgate to watch for them this year. It's really difficult to focus on 40-50 teams including the Valley and NDSU but both Montana schools and Chatty I was wanting to see. Week 1 gets a general pass, within reason, but let's see what UC Davis leading upto Weber State game.

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[lionsrking2]

I admit, I was a bit too harsh on Monmouth...

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
8: Southern Illinois Salukis
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: Yale Bulldogs
11: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Holy Cross Crusaders
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: Austin Peay Governors
18: Princeton Tigers
19: UC Davis Aggies
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Missouri State Bears
22: Montana State Bobcats
23: Chattanooga Mocs
24: Monmouth Hawks
25: Virginia Military Institute Keydets

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: Monmouth Hawks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

At least you included them in your rankings.

[kdinva]

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
8: Southern Illinois Salukis
9: Eastern Washington Eagles
10: Villanova Wildcats
11: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Montana State Bobcats
14: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
15: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
16: UC Davis Aggies
17: Murray State Racers
18: Monmouth Hawks
19: Northern Iowa Panthers
20: Richmond Spiders
21: Furman Paladins
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Austin Peay Governors
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: Holy Cross Crusaders


The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: Jacksonville State Gamecocks

[caribbeanhen]

At least you included them in your rankings.

Pretty harsh not including Southeastern Louisiana

[POD Knows]

Sorry, it somehow got deleted Kingpin28
Marveled about the success of picking Montana as the team to watch out for. But, missed on UCD games by placing them at #20. Surely missed the target here.
Well, the Montana win over Washington is a bigger win that beating Tulsa. I have UC Davis in my top 20, they might be better than that, we will see

[Chalupa Batman]

Pretty harsh not including Southeastern Louisiana

I almost forgot to include East Tennessee State in my poll

[caribbeanhen]

I almost forgot to include East Tennessee State in my poll

I put a few yellow stickies on my chalkboard to remind myself to include ETSU

They dominated Vanderbilt but I guess the real question is how bad is Vanderbilt

[ElCid]

I guess I am one of the only ones who keeps a spreadsheet. It is literally impossible for me to miss a team. I keep my 25 and about 5-7 others who are close each week. I will copy and paste them into the next weeks and drop and drag them so if anyone is bumped in or out they are right there. Takes a few more minutes, but I get it done in about an hour each week. Including "thinking" time. I guess a quick way to do it would be to download the "How They Fared" spreadsheet and just use that to cross check your previous. It has the top 40 to look at. I keep each weeks of mine for obvious reference. Hard to miss anyone that way unless a team was totally overlooked. Then you just have to use your noggin.

[Katfan]

I put a few yellow stickies on my chalkboard to remind myself to include ETSU

They dominated Vanderbilt but I guess the real question is how bad is Vanderbilt
We’ll find out soon enough, but probably about as bad as CSU. Which means their game this week should be an epic matchup. But if Vandy handles CSU then maybe ETSU should be #1.

[Chalupa Batman]

I guess I am one of the only ones who keeps a spreadsheet. It is literally impossible for me to miss a team. I keep my 25 and about 5-7 others who are close each week. I will copy and paste them into the next weeks and drop and drag them so if anyone is bumped in or out they are right there. Takes a few more minutes, but I get it done in about an hour each week. Including "thinking" time. I guess a quick way to do it would be to download the "How They Fared" spreadsheet and just use that to cross check your previous. It has the top 40 to look at. I keep each weeks of mine for obvious reference. Hard to miss anyone that way unless a team was totally overlooked. Then you just have to use your noggin.

That's pretty much what I do too, drag and drop on a spreadsheet. Had ETSU on my spreadsheet but somehow skipped them when doing the poll. My problem was when I put Holy Cross in at 20 I cut and paste 6 teams down one spot. I ended up with 26 teams in the poll so skipping over them still left 25 to enter. It's happened before where I skip a team while doing the poll but it was an easy catch because after 24 I had hit the end of my poll so I know I missed a team somewhere.

[Bisonator]

Here was my poll:

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Sam Houston Bearkats
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
8: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Southern Illinois Salukis
11: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
12: Villanova Wildcats
13: UC Davis Aggies
14: Austin Peay Governors
15: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
16: Montana State Bobcats
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Richmond Spiders
19: Holy Cross Crusaders
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Chattanooga Mocs
22: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
23: Furman Paladins
24: Murray State Racers
25: Missouri State Bears

Probably not my best effort as I threw it together late last night after not watching many games this weekend.

[ElCid]

That's pretty much what I do too, drag and drop on a spreadsheet. Had ETSU on my spreadsheet but somehow skipped them when doing the poll. My problem was when I put Holy Cross in at 20 I cut and paste 6 teams down one spot. I ended up with 26 teams in the poll so skipping over them still left 25 to enter. It's happened before where I skip a team while doing the poll but it was an easy catch because after 24 I had hit the end of my poll so I know I missed a team somewhere.

Yeah, I know what you mean. I actually built a template I reuse each week just because I was afraid of doing something like that. I keep each weeks poll on one spread sheet tab. It gets to all the way to column IH by the end of the season. I put the AGS poll each week right next to mine to see if I am out to lunch anywhere as well. I'm a spreadsheet addict. I really need professional help.xrotatehx

[caribbeanhen]

That's pretty much what I do too, drag and drop on a spreadsheet. Had ETSU on my spreadsheet but somehow skipped them when doing the poll. My problem was when I put Holy Cross in at 20 I cut and paste 6 teams down one spot. I ended up with 26 teams in the poll so skipping over them still left 25 to enter. It's happened before where I skip a team while doing the poll but it was an easy catch because after 24 I had hit the end of my poll so I know I missed a team somewhere.

I use a record book

pen and ink

scratch outs

circle here and there

[ElCid]

I use a record book

pen and ink

scratch outs

circle here and there

Hey I'm still a stubby pencil man on some things:D

[Chalupa Batman]

I use a record book

pen and ink

scratch outs

circle here and there

This is how I picture you doing your poll with no computer….

https://media3.giphy.com/media/l0IylOPCNkiqOgMyA/giphy.gif

[MR. CHICKEN]

MAH POLL:

1 SAM HOUSTON
2 S. DAKOTA STATE
3 JMU
4 N. DAKOTA STATE
5 MONTANA
6 DELAWARE
7 E. WASHINGTON
8 N. DAKOTA
9 S. ILLINOIS
10 WEBER STATE
11 S.E. LOUISIANA
12 VILLANOVA
13 VMI
14 MONTANA STATE
15 N. IOWA
16 MISSOURI STATE
17 MONMOUTH
18 JACKSONVILLE STATE
19 C. ARKANSAS
20 AUSTIN PEAY
21 UC DAVIS
22 CHATTANOOGA
23 E. TENNESSEE STATE
24 MURRAY STATE
25 RICHMOND

SIGNIFICANT WIN: MONTANA
SIGNIFICANT LOSS: MONMOUTH

[MR. CHICKEN]

32102


......HOW AH DO IT:


PUT ALL MAH EGGS IN ONE BASKET.......REMOVE DUH BAD EGGS........ADD SOME NEW EGGS......AWK!

[Catatonic]

UCA loses to an FBS team it lead at halftime that also beat us handily last year and we drop some spots....nice. xlolx

Time to prove ourselves against FCS competition. Missouri State at their house will be a good one! xthumbsupx

you had the misfortune of losing handily to a FBS team on a Saturday when a number of FCS teams beat or had close losses to FBS teams as good or better than Arkansas State.

[POD Knows]

I guess I am one of the only ones who keeps a spreadsheet. It is literally impossible for me to miss a team. I keep my 25 and about 5-7 others who are close each week. I will copy and paste them into the next weeks and drop and drag them so if anyone is bumped in or out they are right there. Takes a few more minutes, but I get it done in about an hour each week. Including "thinking" time. I guess a quick way to do it would be to download the "How They Fared" spreadsheet and just use that to cross check your previous. It has the top 40 to look at. I keep each weeks of mine for obvious reference. Hard to miss anyone that way unless a team was totally overlooked. Then you just have to use your noggin.This is almost exactly what I do, if I didn't keep a spreadsheet, I would be lost. I keep all my weekly polls in a master spreadsheet for each year, I actually have them all the way back when I joined the board. Kind of a pack rat for stupid **** like that. I don't know if I have missed a team but I have put the same team in twice a couple times and got called out by the Bear.

[TheKingpin28]

Hey Ursus,

Are we still sending the poll to Massey for the composite rankings?

[caribbeanhen]

Hey Ursus,

Are we still sending the poll to Massey for the composite rankings?

I still see the AGS poll listed in the composite rankings

College Football Ranking Composite (masseyratings.com) (https://masseyratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm)

[KPSUL]

32102


......HOW AH DO IT:


PUT ALL MAH EGGS IN ONE BASKET.......REMOVE DUH BAD EGGS........ADD SOME NEW EGGS......AWK!

Well if you weren't doing all the rooster duty at the hen house, there wouldn't be so many bad eggs!

[KPSUL]

I admit, I was a bit too harsh on Monmouth...

1: Sam Houston Bearkats
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: North Dakota State Bison
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
8: Southern Illinois Salukis
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: Yale Bulldogs
11: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
12: Weber State Wildcats
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Holy Cross Crusaders
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: Austin Peay Governors
18: Princeton Tigers
19: UC Davis Aggies
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Missouri State Bears
22: Montana State Bobcats
23: Chattanooga Mocs
24: Monmouth Hawks
25: Virginia Military Institute Keydets

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: Monmouth Hawks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

You ranked UNH at 24 in the Pre-Season Poll, they won on the road vs a CAA opponent week 1. Any thoughts on why you dropped them from the Top 25? (I'm not necessarily advocating for UNH - I didn't have them ranked week 1 or Pre-season) I see them ranked Week 3, if they can beat Towson at home this week and @ Lafayette next.

Do you really think Yale at your #10 is better than your #11-#25 teams? What are you seeing in them?

[lionsrking2]

You ranked UNH at 24 in the Pre-Season Poll, they won on the road vs a CAA opponent week 1. Any thoughts on why you dropped them from the Top 25? (I'm not necessarily advocating for UNH - I didn't have them ranked week 1 or Pre-season) I see them ranked Week 3, if they can beat Towson at home this week and @ Lafayette next.

Do you really think Yale at your #10 is better than your #11-#25 teams? What are you seeing in them?

Dart board approach.

[Preferred Walk-On]

You ranked UNH at 24 in the Pre-Season Poll, they won on the road vs a CAA opponent week 1. Any thoughts on why you dropped them from the Top 25? (I'm not necessarily advocating for UNH - I didn't have them ranked week 1 or Pre-season) I see them ranked Week 3, if they can beat Towson at home this week and @ Lafayette next.

Do you really think Yale at your #10 is better than your #11-#25 teams? What are you seeing in them?

I was much more impressed with Yale making the ORV without having stepped foot on the field. I am guessing voter(s) that did not vote in the preseason poll.

[MTfan4life]

I always forget to post my poll until mid-week and then never post. My week 1 poll is usually a dramatic 180 from my preseason poll. I've started to weigh results early on more and more each year. I also don't slot vote, so a team could be top 10 one week and out of the poll the next week. Or vice versa. I also make sure to rank at least 35-40+ teams to make sure I've included as much as possible. Here's my week 1 top 25:

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana Grizzlies
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Sam Houston Bearkats
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: UC Davis Aggies
7: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
8: Southern Illinois Salukis
9: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
10: James Madison Dukes
11: Furman Paladins
12: Holy Cross Crusaders
13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
14: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
15: Missouri State Bears
16: Northern Iowa Panthers
17: Weber State Wildcats
18: Montana State Bobcats
19: Sacred Heart Pioneers
20: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Central Arkansas Bears
23: Austin Peay Governors
24: Wofford Terriers
25: New Hampshire Wildcats

Yes James Madison is a tad low, but with Maine and Weber State coming up, they'll have plenty of chances to move. With all the impressive week 1 wins, it's hard to reward a win over Morehead State.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I guess I am one of the only ones who keeps a spreadsheet. It is literally impossible for me to miss a team. I keep my 25 and about 5-7 others who are close each week. I will copy and paste them into the next weeks and drop and drag them so if anyone is bumped in or out they are right there. Takes a few more minutes, but I get it done in about an hour each week. Including "thinking" time. I guess a quick way to do it would be to download the "How They Fared" spreadsheet and just use that to cross check your previous. It has the top 40 to look at. I keep each weeks of mine for obvious reference. Hard to miss anyone that way unless a team was totally overlooked. Then you just have to use your noggin.

Spot on. I just do not understand how or why it is hard to copy and paste the list over and just alpha sort in another column or something to make sure you have everyone would want in your ballot. Hell once you have the 30 teams start placing them next to the numbers and see how it looks, change em' around etc.

If you are not using a spreadsheet you are just making it way harder on your noggin than it needs to be.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Yeah, I know what you mean. I actually built a template I reuse each week just because I was afraid of doing something like that. I keep each weeks poll on one spread sheet tab. It gets to all the way to column IH by the end of the season. I put the AGS poll each week right next to mine to see if I am out to lunch anywhere as well. I'm a spreadsheet addict. I really need professional help.xrotatehx

If you only copy the "name" column off the HTF and alpha sort that in one column and then alpha sort your numbered list it is an easy double check to compare them too and make sure. I don't think I was being very clear on that one.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I use a record book

pen and ink

scratch outs

circle here and there

Yeah, this is the last ballot I got in.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/8626be169a3657f30091af4430d91045/tumblr_inline_pae8hlDvpA1rb3zrl_500.jpg

[Catbooster]

Yeah, I know what you mean. I actually built a template I reuse each week just because I was afraid of doing something like that. I keep each weeks poll on one spread sheet tab. It gets to all the way to column IH by the end of the season. I put the AGS poll each week right next to mine to see if I am out to lunch anywhere as well. I'm a spreadsheet addict. I really need professional help.xrotatehx
Seems our methods are virtually identical: Copy my poll plus other teams under consideration from last week; move over a couple columns and paste; drag and drop teams around - sometimes several sessions depending on block of time available when I'm looking at it; come back to it again later to take a fresh look; submit; enter AGS rankings behind after the poll comes out to see if I need to take a closer look at anyone; repeat. I've got one spreadsheet with a new tab each year that starts with a copy of my last poll from the previous year. I seldom have to type a team's name.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Hey Ursus,

Are we still sending the poll to Massey for the composite rankings?

Yes, did that Tuesday but ElCid beat you for the reminder...and I forget to go rep him for it so thanks for that reminder. xlolx

[Evolution Prime]

Yeah, I know what you mean. I actually built a template I reuse each week just because I was afraid of doing something like that. I keep each weeks poll on one spread sheet tab. It gets to all the way to column IH by the end of the season. I put the AGS poll each week right next to mine to see if I am out to lunch anywhere as well. I'm a spreadsheet addict. I really need professional help.xrotatehx

Sounds like quite the spreadsheet. I should share with you the spreadsheet I use. Currently at 29 Tabs.

[ElCid]

Sounds like quite the spreadsheet. I should share with you the spreadsheet I use. Currently at 29 Tabs.

Yikes! I have a set routine each week on my process. I keep an eye on the scheduling rating as well I use both Massey and Sagarin to see who has the harder and easier schedules. Just in general terms as these are arguably accurate/inaccurate. Maybe we should start a Spreadsheet Anonymous.

[Chalupa Batman]

sometimes several sessions depending on block of time available when I'm looking at it; come back to it again later to take a fresh look; submit; enter AGS rankings behind after the poll comes out to see if I need to take a closer look at anyone; repeat.

I like to do this too, come back to my poll later at least once for a fresh look. I also found it helps to accept that I’m never going to be 100% happy with my poll, otherwise I’ll look at it until…..

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210908/bbaa90e3858a1e8e84b96962cb833cd1.gif

[Evolution Prime]

Yikes! I have a set routine each week on my process. I keep an eye on the scheduling rating as well I use both Massey and Sagarin to see who has the harder and easier schedules. Just in general terms as these are arguably accurate/inaccurate. Maybe we should start a Spreadsheet Anonymous.

I blame my job as an engineer as why I have so many tab. Each conference has its own tab with each team having the full schedule. Ranking tabs FCS, FBS, DII, DIII, NAIA records.

[caribbeanhen]

Yeah, this is the last ballot I got in.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/8626be169a3657f30091af4430d91045/tumblr_inline_pae8hlDvpA1rb3zrl_500.jpg

haha

Spreadsheets are for the Birds but never a Hen

[caribbeanhen]

I always forget to post my poll until mid-week and then never post. My week 1 poll is usually a dramatic 180 from my preseason poll. I've started to weigh results early on more and more each year. I also don't slot vote, so a team could be top 10 one week and out of the poll the next week. Or vice versa. I also make sure to rank at least 35-40+ teams to make sure I've included as much as possible. Here's my week 1 top 25:

1: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2: Montana Grizzlies
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Sam Houston Bearkats
5: North Dakota State Bison
6: UC Davis Aggies
7: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
8: Southern Illinois Salukis
9: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
10: James Madison Dukes
11: Furman Paladins
12: Holy Cross Crusaders
13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
14: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
15: Missouri State Bears
16: Northern Iowa Panthers
17: Weber State Wildcats
18: Montana State Bobcats
19: Sacred Heart Pioneers
20: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Central Arkansas Bears
23: Austin Peay Governors
24: Wofford Terriers
25: New Hampshire Wildcats

Yes James Madison is a tad low, but with Maine and Weber State coming up, they'll have plenty of chances to move. With all the impressive week 1 wins, it's hard to reward a win over Morehead State.

JMU at 10

not justified at this juncture

[Katfan]

JMU at 10

not justified at this juncture
So you think they’re over rated? 😂

[caribbeanhen]

So you think they’re over rated? 

they might be but no lower than 5

10 is pretty bold if not down right loco

[katss07]

When they go 3-3 in their next 6 games it won’t be

[MTfan4life]

they might be but no lower than 5

10 is pretty bold if not down right loco

They beat Morehead State. That's why they're 10. If they played Morehead State 11 times, they would not rise above that spot, unfortunately. I stated very specifically the poll is heavily slanted towards results, with some tradition/strength returning considered. Their opponent is the equivalent of a crappy D2 school. Get some legitimate D1 games under their belt and they'll have no problem rising to the top of the rankings. All the teams above them had far more impressive week 1 results. Sorry not sorry.

[caribbeanhen]

They beat Morehead State. That's why they're 10. If they played Morehead State 11 times, they would not rise above that spot, unfortunately. I stated very specifically the poll is heavily slanted towards results, with some tradition/strength returning considered. Their opponent is the equivalent of a crappy D2 school. Get some legitimate D1 games under their belt and they'll have no problem rising to the top of the rankings. All the teams above them had far more impressive week 1 results. Sorry not sorry.

So basically you’re saying cupcakes are not good for you

where did you have them in the preseason poll?

What I remember is they were up 24 to 3 in the third quarter against the eventual national champion in the semi final, Jacquez Ezzard pretty much took over that game from that point.

[Gil Dobie]

I guess I am one of the only ones who keeps a spreadsheet. It is literally impossible for me to miss a team. I keep my 25 and about 5-7 others who are close each week. I will copy and paste them into the next weeks and drop and drag them so if anyone is bumped in or out they are right there. Takes a few more minutes, but I get it done in about an hour each week. Including "thinking" time. I guess a quick way to do it would be to download the "How They Fared" spreadsheet and just use that to cross check your previous. It has the top 40 to look at. I keep each weeks of mine for obvious reference. Hard to miss anyone that way unless a team was totally overlooked. Then you just have to use your noggin.

Been using one since I started voting in the AGS poll in 2004.

[Cocky]

They beat Morehead State. That's why they're 10. If they played Morehead State 11 times, they would not rise above that spot, unfortunately. I stated very specifically the poll is heavily slanted towards results, with some tradition/strength returning considered. Their opponent is the equivalent of a crappy D2 school. Get some legitimate D1 games under their belt and they'll have no problem rising to the top of the rankings. All the teams above them had far more impressive week 1 results. Sorry not sorry.


So next week EWU will fall like a rock because they play Central Washington?

[Preferred Walk-On]

So next week EWU will fall like a rock because they play Central Washington?

Don’t forget NDSU, SDSU, and Delaware. Almost half the top 10 playing some weaker competition.


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[caribbeanhen]

So next week EWU will fall like a rock because they play Central Washington?

Massey Ratings - College Football : FCS Ratings (https://masseyratings.com/cf2021/fcs/ratings)

Now we know MTfan4life is actually Massey...xlolx

[POD Knows]

Don’t forget NDSU, SDSU, and Delaware. Almost half the top 10 playing some weaker competition.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkWell I can tell you this, if NDSU ends up beating Valpo by 20 they will be out of the top ten in my poll depending on what others do.

[Chalupa Batman]

So basically you’re saying cupcakes are not good for you

where did you have them in the preseason poll?

What I remember is they were up 24 to 3 in the third quarter against the eventual national champion in the semi final, Jacquez Ezzard pretty much took over that game from that point.

Even with Ezzard’s efforts, if not for a kickoff and a bobbled pass that both bounced Sam Houston’s way JMU would’ve been in the natty. Bearkats still had to score TD’s to take full advantage and kudos to them for doing so, but without those two lucky bounces they don’t win. That’s why I have JMU above Sam Houston in my poll.


Well I can tell you this, if NDSU ends up beating Valpo by 20 they will be out of the top ten in my poll depending on what others do.

We are going to roll Valpo, but it’s not going to tell us a damn thing. I’ve been thinking about my poll more and I’m not sure we’re top 5 right now, more like towards the bottom of the top 10.

[POD Knows]

Even with Ezzard’s efforts, if not for a kickoff and a bobbled pass that both bounced Sam Houston’s way JMU would’ve been in the natty. Bearkats still had to score TD’s to take full advantage and kudos to them for doing so, but without those two lucky bounces they don’t win. That’s why I have JMU above Sam Houston in my poll.



We are going to roll Valpo, but it’s not going to tell us a damn thing. I’ve been thinking about my poll more and I’m not sure we’re top 5 right now, more like towards the bottom of the top 10.
I have us at 6 and you are right, the Valpo game might not tell us a lot unless the score is 28 to 7 or something and we play starters the entire game.

[clenz]

Well I can tell you this, if NDSU ends up beating Valpo by 20 they will be out of the top ten in my poll depending on what others do.
Valpo lost by 18 to an NAIA last weekend....granted it was a road game so points swing there (who the **** plays at an NAIA?)

If they keep it within 50, barring NDSU really pulling off the gas (which Entz isn't know for doing when he has the chance) it should be looked at IMO.

[POD Knows]

Valpo lost by 18 to an NAIA last weekend....granted it was a road game so points swing there (who the **** plays at an NAIA?)

If they keep it within 50, barring NDSU really pulling off the gas (which Entz isn't know for doing when he has the chance) it should be looked at IMO.Agree, totally.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

So next week EWU will fall like a rock because they play Central Washington?

Why, does the result from the win over UNLV go away? Every team above them has a better resume at this point so it isn't something that can't be seen as a fairly logical conclusion so far. A win over CWU sure won't bolster EWU I would bet the farm on that one.

[Professor Chaos]

Each voter has their own method and that's fine but I tend to take my preseason bias and hold onto it until I'm proven wrong or it just gets diminishing weight until we get 5 or 6 games in and I try to leave it completely behind at that point. I had JMU at #2 in the preseason and only dropped them to #3 last week since, IMO, they did what a top 3 team should do to a team like Morehead St. But you certainly can't justify them being ranked that high solely on a win against Morehead St.

Whether you toss your preseason rankings out after week 1 or hold onto them for a few weeks we should all end up pretty close to the same spot by mid-October anyway IMO.

[Daytripper]

Each voter has their own method and that's fine but I tend to take my preseason bias and hold onto it until I'm proven wrong or it just gets diminishing weight until we get 5 or 6 games in and I try to leave it completely behind at that point. I had JMU at #2 in the preseason and only dropped them to #3 last week since, IMO, they did what a top 3 team should do to a team like Morehead St. But you certainly can't justify them being ranked that high solely on a win against Morehead St.

Whether you toss your preseason rankings out after week 1 or hold onto them for a few weeks we should all end up pretty close to the same spot by mid-October anyway IMO.

The professor once again being the voice of reason..xthumbsupx

[TheKingpin28]

Yes, did that Tuesday but ElCid beat you for the reminder...and I forget to go rep him for it so thanks for that reminder. xlolxYou are very welcome. I thought of it and wasn't sure so wanted to bring it up just in case.

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[MR. CHICKEN]

Each voter has their own method and that's fine but I tend to take my preseason bias and hold onto it until I'm proven wrong or it just gets diminishing weight until we get 5 or 6 games in and I try to leave it completely behind at that point. I had JMU at #2 in the preseason and only dropped them to #3 last week since, IMO, they did what a top 3 team should do to a team like Morehead St. But you certainly can't justify them being ranked that high solely on a win against Morehead St.

Whether you toss your preseason rankings out after week 1 or hold onto them for a few weeks we should all end up pretty close to the same spot by mid-October anyway IMO.


......DON'T THINK ANYBODAH.....SAYS THEY'RE @ #3 'CAUSE UH MOREHEAD........MO' LIKE FO' DUH SAME REASON....YA HAD 'EM #2 IN PRESEASON.........'CAUSE THEY'RE UH BAD A$$ PROGRAM OVERAH THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS..........SO IT'S VERAH UNREASONABLE TO HAVE 'EM @ #10......BUT ONE VOTERS POLL.....CAIN'T STAIN DUH MASSES........BAWK!

[katss07]

Who the **** does play at an NAIA school? Like seriously, has that ever happened before? Valpo takes a money game against an NAIA school? That’s hilarious.

[Daytripper]

Who the **** does play at an NAIA school? Like seriously, has that ever happened before? Valpo takes a money game against an NAIA school? That’s hilarious.

When Sam Houston played Oklahoma Panhandle in 2019, they were NAIA.

[clenz]

When Sam Houston played Oklahoma Panhandle in 2019, they were NAIA.

Did they play at the Panhandle?


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[Daytripper]

Did they play at the Panhandle?


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No. Oh, I missed that part. My bad.

[MTfan4life]

So basically you’re saying cupcakes are not good for you

where did you have them in the preseason poll?

What I remember is they were up 24 to 3 in the third quarter against the eventual national champion in the semi final, Jacquez Ezzard pretty much took over that game from that point.

They were #3, I believe. Once again, I never slot vote, ESPECIALLY after the preseason poll. I think they are worthless and just basically a re-ranking of the final one from the previous year. Cupcakes are not good for you when you have only played cupcakes. They're merely irrelevant games to take minimal reaction from.


So next week EWU will fall like a rock because they play Central Washington?

Don’t forget NDSU, SDSU, and Delaware. Almost half the top 10 playing some weaker competition.


I thought you fools were smarter than that. James Madison didn't fall like a rock. They were placed there because teams above them had better wins. EWU, NDSU, SDSU, Delaware, etc won't drop for that very reason. THEY ALREADY HAVE BETTER WINS. A resume is a consistent build. So even if teams play weak competition in week 2, they'll still have the other result on their resume. Everyone votes for different reasons, but if a whole bunch of teams start the season with very impressive wins and then another team just beats Sarah Lawrence, I'm going to wait until they play an actual team before I deem them worthy of a solid ranking.

Basically, you're all focusing on the wrong thing. You think I am punishing playing cupcakes. However, it's just the opposite. My focus is on impressive results. I rank based on how impressive a team is been. If your only game is against a hapless team, you have to hope everyone else fails to be able to look good. As games go on, those irrelevant games disappear, but until relevant games appear, teams simply can't impress me yet.

[Gil Dobie]

Cupcakes are basically the same as NFL preseason game. A good chance to see as many players as possible, and work on a few things.

[caribbeanhen]

They were #3, I believe. Once again, I never slot vote, ESPECIALLY after the preseason poll. I think they are worthless and just basically a re-ranking of the final one from the previous year. Cupcakes are not good for you when you have only played cupcakes. They're merely irrelevant games to take minimal reaction from.




I thought you fools were smarter than that. James Madison didn't fall like a rock. They were placed there because teams above them had better wins. EWU, NDSU, SDSU, Delaware, etc won't drop for that very reason. THEY ALREADY HAVE BETTER WINS. A resume is a consistent build. So even if teams play weak competition in week 2, they'll still have the other result on their resume. Everyone votes for different reasons, but if a whole bunch of teams start the season with very impressive wins and then another team just beats Sarah Lawrence, I'm going to wait until they play an actual team before I deem them worthy of a solid ranking.

Basically, you're all focusing on the wrong thing. You think I am punishing playing cupcakes. However, it's just the opposite. My focus is on impressive results. I rank based on how impressive a team is been. If your only game is against a hapless team, you have to hope everyone else fails to be able to look good. As games go on, those irrelevant games disappear, but until relevant games appear, teams simply can't impress me yet.


well Massey agrees with you 100 %

[KPSUL]

Sammy gets 9 more first place votes but is not #1? Some of that Anti-Sam Houston bias is showing up in the data. Most everybody that posts their poll has them in the top 1-3. That tells me that those who choose not to show their votes know it will come under scrutiny...xcoffeex

I usually don't post my top 25, mainly because there are always posted polls that closely resemble mine (i probably post mine 2-3 times a season). This thread would be hard to decipher, if every week there were 100+ Top 25s posted.

Although you'll have to take my word for it, I had Sammy at #2, SDSU at #1 on the strength of the Jacks impressive win over CSU. I also had JMU #3, NDSU #4 and #5 U of MT based almost entirely on their win over FBS Preseason #20 Washington. But after only one game, switching this top 5 teams around in almost any order could be in the realm of the reasonable.

As has already been posted in this Thread, I don't think moving JMU lower than 5 was reasonable. I'm no fan of JMU scheduling lower tier Pioneer or NEC opponents who are willing to repeatedly come to Bridgeforth Stadium for an annual butt-kicking. However, they only have one such game this season (frequently they've had 2) and they play Eastern Carolina and Weber St. the next two OOC. Then they get into an eight game conference schedule. Winning by 50+ over legitimate FCS "cupcakes", is no reason to drop a team more than 5 places. Particularly when virtually every top team plays at least one similar opponent.

[ElCid]

WHO...

AND I MEAN WHO IN THE KENTUCKY FRIED **** IS STILL VOTING FOR JACKSONVILLE STATE?!


Stop It. Get Some Help.

It's heccin' Embarrassing!

*Kicks Trash Can*


I am. where would you like your sandbags delivered.

[JSUSoutherner]

I am. where would you like your sandbags delivered.

FSU will be lucky to win 2 games.

Notre Dame almost lost to Toledo.

We had 13 penalties for 111 yards and Coopers stats on the season are as follows:
34 of 72 (47.2%)
330 Yards, 2 TDs

59 of those yards being the hail mary touchdown.

Blistering.

Grass will take whatever this team is capable of and squander it like always.

I still think we miss the playoffs.

[The Yo Show]

Notre Dame didn't lose to Toledo, they did win. It was just really close (29-32)

[JSUSoutherner]

Notre Dame didn't lose to Toledo, they did win. It was just really close (29-32)

Oh. That changes EVERYTHING. My bad.

[KPSUL]

Beating any ACC team is an accomplishment any year. So sorry to say I'll have JSU in the back half of my Top 25. Yes JSU has a very tough schedule, but that's why every year 4 loss teams, and even some years 5 loss teams, make the playoffs. You're probably right, they are at best 50-50 to make the playoffs. However considering every year a handful of auto bids are not ranked, not making the payoffs doesn't necessarily mean a team should not be ranked at season's end.

So congratulations to JSU for a great win. It reflects well on the FCS.