More bad news for Vick

[UncleSam]

AUGUST 17--Ratcheting up the pressure on Michael Vick, two of the NFL star's cohorts today pleaded guilty to federal dogfighting charges, leaving the athlete alone--at least for the time being--to face trial. During an appearance this morning in U.S. District Court in Richmond, Virginia, Quanis Phillips and Purnell Peace each copped to a felony conspiracy rap and signed plea agreements pledging to cooperate with federal investigators. In nearly identical fact summaries, both Phillips and Peace stated that the dogfighting ring's "operation and gambling monies were almost exclusively funded by Vick." Additionally, both men fingered Vick in the execution earlier this year of about eight dogs that performed poorly in test fighting sessions. Phillips and Peace each told investigators that Vick participated in killing the dogs, which were hung or drowned, and that the animals "died as a result of the collective efforts" of the trio.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0817071vick1.html

[Tod]

AUGUST 17--Ratcheting up the pressure on Michael Vick, two of the NFL star's cohorts today pleaded guilty to federal dogfighting charges, leaving the athlete alone--at least for the time being--to face trial. During an appearance this morning in U.S. District Court in Richmond, Virginia, Quanis Phillips and Purnell Peace each copped to a felony conspiracy rap and signed plea agreements pledging to cooperate with federal investigators. In nearly identical fact summaries, both Phillips and Peace stated that the dogfighting ring's "operation and gambling monies were almost exclusively funded by Vick." Additionally, both men fingered Vick in the execution earlier this year of about eight dogs that performed poorly in test fighting sessions. Phillips and Peace each told investigators that Vick participated in killing the dogs, which were hung or drowned, and that the animals "died as a result of the collective efforts" of the trio.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0817071vick1.html

Even if he signs a plea, is there any way this guy plays in the NFL again? Would any fans/teams/players/coaches/owners want him?

[Appaholic]

Even if he signs a plea, is there any way this guy plays in the NFL again? Would any fans/teams/players/coaches/owners want him?

I would hope not....his NFL return will, as do alot of decisions, revolve around the almighty dollar. I'm sure a team in need of a QB will run the cost/benefit analysis to determine his worth on the field versus his cost in bad PR off the field. It sucks, but it' true and not many organizations have ever let a little sociopathic behavior get in the way of making a buck. Personally, I hope he spends the next couple of years geting swapped for cigarettes in the big house.....xcoffeex

[Tod]

I would hope not....his NFL return will, as do alot of decisions, revolve around the almighty dollar. I'm sure a team in need of a QB will run the cost/benefit analysis to determine his worth on the field versus his cost in bad PR off the field. It sucks, but it' true and not many organizations have ever let a little sociopathic behavior get in the way of making a buck. Personally, I hope he spends the next couple of years geting swapped for cigarettes in the big house.....xcoffeex

I think I disagree with his chances of returning. I don't think it takes a PETA mentality to be way too disgusted by this to support him or any team he plays for.

There are 1,000 ASPCA supporters for every John St. Onge around.

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[mcveyrl]

I think I disagree with his chances of returning. I don't think it takes a PETA mentality to be way too disgusted by this to support him or any team he plays for.

There are 1,000 ASPCA supporters for every John St. Onge around.

xtwocentsx

John Clayton (ESPN) posed an interesting scenario. Say he gets a year or two, comes back to play in the Arena League (where he would presumably dominate), gets a shot in the NFL and shines.

I think fans (and owners) would have a short memory for some on field production.

[UncleSam]

My guess is that he comes back in the Canadian League.

[mcveyrl]

My guess is that he comes back in the Canadian League.

Clayton had mentioned the Canadian League, but said there might be problems with owners because of the Ricky Williams situation.

I'm trying to locate the article, and will post it when I do.

[mcveyrl]

Here (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2977162) it is.

[jstate83]

He pleads, he guilty, his bed, sleep in it.
Stupid mofo. xnonono2x

Now on him playing again................Don't bet a nickel on him being banned for life because he killed a dog or was dogfighting.
Ain't gonna happen with his talent.

My team, the St. Louis Rams, got a LB playing that killed a woman while DWI.

If killing a human being won't stop you from playing, dogfighting and killing dogs sure won't.xnonox
I know that's cold, but it's the truth.xnodx

[mcveyrl]

He pleads, he guilty, his bed, sleep in it.
Stupid mofo. xnonono2x

Now on him playing again................Don't bet a nickel on him being banned for life because he killed a dog or was dogfighting.
Ain't gonna happen with his talent.

My team, the St. Louis Rams, got a LB playing that killed a woman while DWI.

If killing a human being won't stop you from playing, dogfighting and killing dogs sure won't.xnonox
I know that's cold, but it's the truth.xnodx

That's a good point.

I had forgot about Mr. Little (the pride of the Vols...xlolx xlolx )

How hypocritical would that be?

[BlueHen86]

My guess is that Vick will be back in the NFL someday.

An opinion that I heard was that if Vick is banned by the NFL it will be because of gambling - not the actual mis-treatment of dogs. Pro sports will put up with a lot of sins, especially if you can play, but gambling isn't one of them.

I'm not sure I agree with this opinion, but it is interesting.

[Tod]

That's a good point.

I had forgot about Mr. Little (the pride of the Vols...xlolx xlolx )

How hypocritical would that be?

It may be hypocritical, but I think many people, without maybe even realizing it, will look at vehicular manslaughter as something the offender did not intend to happen.

Vick fully intended to harm and kill these dogs. I don't think they'll as easily forgive that because it was intentional.

Just my opinion. It'll play out.

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[mcveyrl]

It may be hypocritical, but I think many people, without maybe even realizing it, will look at vehicular manslaughter as something the offender did not intend to happen.

Vick fully intended to harm and kill these dogs. I'll don't think they'll as easily forgive that because it was intentional.

Just my opinion. It'll play out.

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I had thought about that, too. I think those are both good points, but I guess the question revolves around looking at the cause or the result. I think Vick's cause was worse (in that it was intentional) but Little's result was far worse (a dead person).

We'll see how it goes...

[Tod]

I had thought about that, too. I think those are both good points, but I guess the question revolves around looking at the cause or the result. I think Vick's cause was worse (in that it was intentional) but Little's result was far worse (a dead person).

We'll see how it goes...

Fully agree. xnodx

[UncleSam]

If he takes a plea or is found guilty, there's will also be the matter of Vick apparently lying to NFL Commissioner Goodell relative to his role in this mess. I sure that won't sit well with Goodell, when it comes time to decide Vick's NFL future.