AGS Poll Results - WEEK 5 POLL - 2021 SPRING SEASON

[AGSPoll]

3/16/2021



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
1205
34


2
Weber State Wildcats
1146
5


3
James Madison Dukes
1072
6


4
Sam Houston State Bearkats
1046
4


5
Southern Illinois Salukis
1016



6
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
991



7
North Dakota State Bison
930



8
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
874



9
Kennesaw State Owls
774



10
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
769



11
Northern Iowa Panthers
721



12
Chattanooga Mocs
578



13
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
524



14
Eastern Washington Eagles
496



15
Virginia Military Institute Keydets
468



16
Nicholls State Colonels
445



17
Furman Paladins
433



18
Incarnate Word Cardinals
420



19
Villanova Wildcats
292



20
Murray State Racers
274



21
UC Davis Aggies
262



22
Richmond Spiders
235



23
Albany Great Danes
169



24
Rhode Island Rams
157



25
Idaho Vandals
104
















ORV:




26
New Hampshire Wildcats
78



27
Monmouth Hawks
72



28
Austin Peay Governors
62



29
Maine Black Bears
48



30
Jackson State Tigers
47



31T
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
39



31T
Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
39



33T
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
24



33T
Samford Bulldogs
24



35
South Dakota Coyotes
21



36T
Holy Cross Crusaders
19



36T
Missouri State Bears
19



38
Wofford Terriers
14



39
Illinois State Redbirds
9



40
Idaho State Bengals
3
















Most Significant Win:
Sam Houston State Bearkats





Most Significant Loss:
Nicholls State Colonels

[TheKingpin28]

1: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: Southern Illinois Salukis
5: James Madison Dukes
6: North Dakota State Bison
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9: Northern Iowa Panthers
10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
11: Kennesaw State Owls
12: Eastern Washington Eagles
13: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
14: Chattanooga Mocs
15: Incarnate Word Cardinals
16: Nicholls State Colonels
17: Maine Black Bears
18: Albany Great Danes
19: UC Davis Aggies
20: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
21: Rhode Island Rams
22: Furman Paladins
23: Murray State Racers
24: Villanova Wildcats
25: Richmond Spiders

I am surprised that JMU has been able to hold onto that spot for that long. IMO, it should be a toss up between UND/SHSU for #1 spot.

Oh and fire away on mine. (I made mention, on another thread, that once I hit around 17, it was a crapshoot on my end).

[Professor Chaos]

Here's my submission this week... I feel like it's getting easier to do these each week.

1: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
5: Southern Illinois Salukis
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: James Madison Dukes
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Northern Iowa Panthers
10: Chattanooga Mocs
11: North Dakota State Bison
12: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
13: Kennesaw State Owls
14: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
15: Nicholls State Colonels
16: UC Davis Aggies
17: Incarnate Word Cardinals
18: Murray State Racers
19: Furman Paladins
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Albany Great Danes
23: Idaho Vandals
24: Eastern Washington Eagles
25: Samford Bulldogs


It's kind of strange to me to see the big spread in the consensus between Eastern Washington and Idaho. I could see ranking EWU slightly ahead of Idaho since they played a tight game at the Kibbiedome but 11 spots ahead is a pretty big stretch. Like my rankings above indicate I think UC Davis should also be closer to, if not in front of, EWU.

[POD Knows]

1: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: James Madison Dukes
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Southern Illinois Salukis
8: Northern Iowa Panthers
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: North Dakota State Bison
11: Kennesaw State Owls
12: Chattanooga Mocs
13: Nicholls State Colonels
14: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
15: Eastern Washington Eagles
16: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
17: UC Davis Aggies
18: Furman Paladins
19: Incarnate Word Cardinals
20: Richmond Spiders
21: Murray State Racers
22: Rhode Island Rams
23: Villanova Wildcats
24: Jackson State Tigers
25: Monmouth Hawks

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Rhode Island Rams
The Most Significant Loss: Nicholls State Colonels
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Professor Chaos]

1: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: Southern Illinois Salukis
5: James Madison Dukes
6: North Dakota State Bison
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9: Northern Iowa Panthers
10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
11: Kennesaw State Owls
12: Eastern Washington Eagles
13: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
14: Chattanooga Mocs
15: Incarnate Word Cardinals
16: Nicholls State Colonels
17: Maine Black Bears
18: Albany Great Danes
19: UC Davis Aggies
20: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
21: Rhode Island Rams
22: Furman Paladins
23: Murray State Racers
24: Villanova Wildcats
25: Richmond Spiders

I am surprised that JMU has been able to hold onto that spot for that long. IMO, it should be a toss up between UND/SHSU for #1 spot.

Oh and fire away on mine. (I made mention, on another thread, that once I hit around 17, it was a crapshoot on my end).

I think you need to look at Idaho in those spots you're struggling with if you're going to have Eastern Washington at #12.

[Chalupa Batman]

Hello Chalupa Batman,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 3/15/2021 20:40:27

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Kennesaw State Owls
10: North Dakota State Bison
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
13: Nicholls State Colonels
14: Austin Peay Governors
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Chattanooga Mocs
17: Eastern Washington Eagles
18: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
19: Murray State Racers
20: Incarnate Word Cardinals
21: Rhode Island Rams
22: UC Davis Aggies
23: Idaho Vandals
24: Furman Paladins
25: Albany Great Danes

Chalupa Batman

The Most Significant Win: Sam Houston State Bearkats
The Most Significant Loss: Albany Great Danes
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference


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[TheKingpin28]

I think you need to look at Idaho in those spots you're struggling with if you're going to have Eastern Washington at #12.

I believe they got the benefit of the doubt, still don't know how a FG is not reviewable for the reason they gave, and that's why I dropped them. I didn't want to, but not playing a game last week (due to the bye) can hurt or help a team's position. They will be back in if they win, but Richmond has done what they needed to do (look at how JMU struggled with Elon and Richmond blew them out of the water) to supplant them...for now.

I say hurt or help since Monmouth was dropped for not playing, so was Idaho, from my poll compared to last week, whereas JMU fell spots for not playing and struggling with Elon previously. However, Incarnate Word moved up for not playing since they dismantled McNeese and Lamar and if SELA is supposed to be decent/good, look at how they struggled to win against McNeese.

[atthewbon]

1: Weber State Wildcats
2: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
3: James Madison Dukes
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Southern Illinois Salukis
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: North Dakota State Bison
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9: Kennesaw State Owls
10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: UC Davis Aggies
13: Chattanooga Mocs
14: Idaho Vandals
15: Rhode Island Rams
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: Eastern Washington Eagles
18: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
19: Nicholls State Colonels
20: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
21: Monmouth Hawks
22: Furman Paladins
23: Murray State Racers
24: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
25: Maine Black Bears

[Professor Chaos]

I believe they got the benefit of the doubt, still don't know how a FG is not reviewable for the reason they gave, and that's why I dropped them. I didn't want to, but not playing a game last week (due to the bye) can hurt or help a team's position. They will be back in if they win, but Richmond has done what they needed to do (look at how JMU struggled with Elon and Richmond blew them out of the water) to supplant them...for now.

I say hurt or help since Monmouth was dropped for not playing, so was Idaho, from my poll compared to last week, whereas JMU fell spots for not playing and struggling with Elon previously. However, Incarnate Word moved up for not playing since they dismantled McNeese and Lamar and if SELA is supposed to be decent/good, look at how they struggled to win against McNeese.
I dropped Monmouth out as well... I figure when they actually do play a game (which now won't be until 3/27 at the earliest it appears) I'll re-evaluate them but we're too far into the season to be ranking 0-0 teams. I also dropped JMU from last week but that was moreso because I became even less impressed with their Elon performance like you elaborated on. But I don't think you can put Idaho in the same boat. Even if you think EWU got hosed on the FG call that was still a very tight game so I don't think there should be much of a spread between Idaho and EWU in any direction based on what we've seen so far.

[TheKingpin28]

I dropped Monmouth out as well... I figure when they actually do play a game (which now won't be until 3/27 at the earliest it appears) I'll re-evaluate them but we're too far into the season to be ranking 0-0 teams. I also dropped JMU from last week but that was moreso because I became even less impressed with their Elon performance like you elaborated on. But I don't think you can put Idaho in the same boat. If EWU is that good Idaho should be fairly close to them. Even if you think EWU got hosed on the FG call that was still a very tight game.

This is why AGS poll is the best since we can actually stand by what we believe and defend our positions.

Since we are halfway/almost halfway through the Spring season, H-H is still important but eventually, they do not hold as much weight. While I believe Idaho could have made my T25, them not playing this past week hurt their position going into this coming week. I think we can all agree though that after 15/17, it felt like a dartboard. I just found it hard to leave Richmond off the table with what they have done and those were my 25/26 team slot. Now with Richmond being on the bye due to the Rona, they very well might drop off as well JMU fall even further.

That said, I am not sure if EWU is even that good and/or if the FCS as whole is down this year due to teams sitting out and players transferring. With EWU, we won't really know too much until they play UC-D and Idaho again. I just believe, with how insulated everything is this year, we have to try and gauge teams based off of what we have seen vs what we know. If Idaho wins against SUU, which they should, they will be back in my pll.

[gokat89]

I dont think I have ever seen this forum give this much positive feedback to Sam Houston St ever. xcoffeexxlolx

[melloware13]

1: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
2: Weber State Wildcats
3: North Dakota State Bison
4: Sam Houston State Bearkats
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: James Madison Dukes
7: Southern Illinois Salukis
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: Kennesaw State Owls
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Eastern Washington Eagles
13: Incarnate Word Cardinals
14: Richmond Spiders
15: Rhode Island Rams
16: UC Davis Aggies
17: Furman Paladins
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Nicholls State Colonels
20: Murray State Racers
21: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
22: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
23: Holy Cross Crusaders
24: Albany Great Danes
25: Chattanooga Mocs

[Daytripper]

I dont think I have ever seen this forum give this much positive feedback to Sam Houston St ever. xcoffeexxlolx

It's been about a decade.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I dont think I have ever seen this forum give this much positive feedback to Sam Houston St ever. xcoffeexxlolx

What you meant to say is that you've never seen this forum give SHSU as much credit as it's fans do. xlolx

This time, if you match up with AGS, you are probably on to something...at this time.

[Daytripper]

1: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
2: Southern Illinois Salukis
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
7: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
8: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
9: North Dakota State Bison
10: Kennesaw State Owls
11: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12: Northern Iowa Panthers
13: Chattanooga Mocs
14: Nicholls State Colonels
15: Furman Paladins
16: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
17: Albany Great Danes
18: Incarnate Word Cardinals
19: Eastern Washington Eagles
20: Jackson State Tigers
21: Murray State Racers
22: Villanova Wildcats
23: South Dakota Coyotes
24: Illinois State Redbirds
25: Richmond Spiders

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

1: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
2: Sam Houston State Bearkats
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: Southern Illinois Salukis
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
8: North Dakota State Bison
9: Kennesaw State Owls
10: Northern Iowa Panthers
11: Eastern Washington Eagles
12: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
13: Chattanooga Mocs
14: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
15: Villanova Wildcats
16: Albany Great Danes
17: Incarnate Word Cardinals
18: Monmouth Hawks
19: Holy Cross Crusaders
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: Murray State Racers
22: Furman Paladins
23: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
24: Jackson State Tigers
25: San Diego Toreros

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: Sam Houston State Bearkats
The Most Significant Loss: Villanova Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[KPSUL]

Two part question for voters who have NDSU in the 6-10 range.

How likely do you think it is that NDSU will win the game with UND this weekend?

If they do, should they be ranked #1?

If your answers is better than 50/50 and yes, than you should currently have them in your top 5.

[KPSUL]

I dont think I have ever seen this forum give this much positive feedback to Sam Houston St ever. xcoffeexxlolx

Don't get to accustomed to it.

[TheKingpin28]

Two part question for voters who have NDSU in the 6-10 range.

How likely do you think it is that NDSU will win the game with UND this weekend?

If they do, should they be ranked #1?

If your answers is better than 50/50 and yes, than you should currently have them in your top 5.


Honestly, if Cam Miller plays, I think they have a decent shot being at home. If Zeb Noland plays, well you can say goodbye to the playoffs. Unless NDSU blows UND out of the water like they did in 2019, I would have a hard time them jumping to #1 unless SHSU struggles with Lamar. It would be an interesting dilemma for the top 5, (assuming SIU wins against SDSU) since NDSU will have gotten curb stomped by SIU, SIU would have gotten smacked by UND, and NDSU would have clubbed UND. Reason for this, if SIU and NDSU win, You would have a combo of NDSU, SIU, UND, SHSU, and either WSU/JMU making a claim for a Top 5 spot.

Honestly, the best thing for NDSU right now, is to beat UND and hope SDSU beats SIU.

[BlueGoldAg]

Tough polling for UC Davis this week. Two weeks ago they beat Idaho 27-17 on the road and then got nipped at Weber State 18-13 last week. The Aggies out gained the Wildcats 324 - 257 in total yards after Weber had run up 638 yards in their first game against Idaho State.

So I'm not sure why the Aggies would drop from #20 with 271 votes in week 4 to #21 with 262 votes in week 5 after barely losing to #2 Weber State in their house and holding them to 257 yards of total offense.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 3/14/2021 19:37:23

Your vote is listed below.

1: Weber State Wildcats
2: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: Southern Illinois Salukis
5: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Kennesaw State Owls
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9: North Dakota State Bison
10: James Madison Dukes
11: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
12: Northern Iowa Panthers
13: UC Davis Aggies
14: Richmond Spiders
15: Incarnate Word Cardinals
16: Eastern Washington Eagles
17: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
18: Murray State Racers
19: Rhode Island Rams
20: Maine Black Bears
21: Nicholls State Colonels
22: Chattanooga Mocs
23: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
24: Austin Peay Governors
25: Furman Paladins

Preferred Walk-On

The Most Significant Win: Sam Houston State Bearkats
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Iowa Panthers
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Daytripper]

Two part question for voters who have NDSU in the 6-10 range.

How likely do you think it is that NDSU will win the game with UND this weekend?

If they do, should they be ranked #1?

If your answers is better than 50/50 and yes, than you should currently have them in your top 5.

I have them at 9 in my poll. If I had to put money on that game I would take UND. If the Bison win, their ranking will depend a great deal on the teams ahead of them. I can't get that Saluki beatdown out of my head for now. At minimum, Southern Illinois would have to lose to put them at #1.

[Schism55]

1: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
2: Weber State Wildcats
3: James Madison Dukes
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Southern Illinois Salukis
6: Sam Houston State Bearkats
7: North Dakota State Bison
8: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
9: Northern Iowa Panthers
10: Kennesaw State Owls
11: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
12: Chattanooga Mocs
13: Eastern Washington Eagles
14: Nicholls State Colonels
15: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
16: UC Davis Aggies
17: Idaho Vandals
18: Incarnate Word Cardinals
19: Maine Black Bears
20: Albany Great Danes
21: Furman Paladins
22: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
23: Rhode Island Rams
24: Murray State Racers
25: New Hampshire Wildcats

Schism55

The Most Significant Win: Sam Houston State Bearkats
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Iowa Panthers

[caribbeanhen]

Your vote is listed below.


1: Sam Houston State Bearkats
2: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: Southern Illinois Salukis
5: James Madison Dukes
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
8: Kennesaw State Owls
9: North Dakota State Bison
10: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Incarnate Word Cardinals
13: Nicholls State Colonels
14: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
15: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
16: Eastern Washington Eagles
17: Chattanooga Mocs
18: Rhode Island Rams
19: UC Davis Aggies
20: Richmond Spiders
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Furman Paladins
23: Holy Cross Crusaders
24: Murray State Racers
25: Jackson State Tigers

caribbeanhen

[KPSUL]

I have them at 9 in my poll. If I had to put money on that game I would take UND. If the Bison win, their ranking will depend a great deal on the teams ahead of them. I can't get that Saluki beatdown out of my head for now. At minimum, Southern Illinois would have to lose to put them at #1.

While that is always a consideration, who ahead of NDSU is going to do anything more impressive than beating the undefeated #1 team? The only possibility I see would be the winner of the SDSU / SIU game, and even that should land NDSU in #2; behind the winner and ahead of the loser . Weber ST? Not playing this weekend. JMU? Not playing due to "Covid protocols" again this weekend. SHSU? Playing Lamar this weekend.

[Professor Chaos]

Two part question for voters who have NDSU in the 6-10 range.

How likely do you think it is that NDSU will win the game with UND this weekend?

If they do, should they be ranked #1?

If your answers is better than 50/50 and yes, than you should currently have them in your top 5.
I have NDSU at #11 but it would be pretty hard for me to move them all the way up to #1 even if they beat UND handily. I'd think about #4 is as high as I could put them unless some other teams I have up there get tripped up this weekend. NDSU will have their chance to climb back up though since they still have SDSU and UNI after UND... of course that also means NDSU could fall completely out of the poll if they get swept by those teams (which is certainly possible the way this spring has been going).

[POD Knows]

Two part question for voters who have NDSU in the 6-10 range.

How likely do you think it is that NDSU will win the game with UND this weekend?

If they do, should they be ranked #1?

If your answers is better than 50/50 and yes, than you should currently have them in your top 5.I have them at 10 and the answer is they have no chance at winning this weekend.

[Daytripper]

While that is always a consideration, who ahead of NDSU is going to do anything more impressive than beating the undefeated #1 team? The only possibility I see would be the winner of the SDSU / SIU game, and even that should land NDSU in #2; behind the winner and ahead of the loser . Weber ST? Not playing this weekend. JMU? Not playing due to "Covid protocols" again this weekend. SHSU? Playing Lamar this weekend.

If Sam Houston wins v. Lamar I will rank them ahead of NDSU even if they beat UND. The Bison have a loss. An ugly loss. Sam Houston would be 2-0 versus ranked teams, including a top ten (whether they should have been there or not is irrelevant). If your standard is that a one-loss team who beats a #1 should be #1, then SIU should be #1.

[Professor Chaos]

While that is always a consideration, who ahead of NDSU is going to do anything more impressive than beating the undefeated #1 team? The only possibility I see would be the winner of the SDSU / SIU game, and even that should land NDSU in #2; behind the winner and ahead of the loser . Weber ST? Not playing this weekend. JMU? Not playing due to "Covid protocols" again this weekend. SHSU? Playing Lamar this weekend.
I'm not even sure NDSU moves above UND if they beat them this weekend. At that point you'd have to the head-to-head conundrum with UND beating SIU, SIU beating NDSU, and NDSU beating UND. Someone is going to have to be ranked above a team that beat them head-to-head. If NDSU squeaks one out I'd be inclined to continue to rank UND over them by virtue of UND's wins over SIU and SDSU being more impressive than NDSU wins (which at that point would be UND and not much else).

[KPSUL]

I have them at 10 and the answer is they have no chance at winning this weekend.

That's a bold statement! But if that's your opinion, I understand why you have them so far down the rankings.

I'm wondering if some of you NDSU guys who have them out of the top 5 are hyper-analyzing NDSU's 2021 resume and disregarding more significant shortcomings in other teams you are ranking higher like for instance the very weak SOS of JMU and Weber.

If NDSU wins, I will move them as #2 behind the winner of the SIU and SDSU game. There is really nothing else any other current Top 5 or 10 team could do to change that, based on the scheduled matchups this weekend.

But since POD Knows they can't win, I guess this whole thing is just moot.

[katss07]

This poll is consistently light years away from the stupid STATS poll.

I truly believe this Kats team is playing like the best team in the country right now and has a real shot of grabbing a top 2 seed with 2 quality wins already on their resume. Plus the opportunity to grab another one against a surprisingly good UIW team. #4 seems like a good spot for them right now.

[Daytripper]

That's a bold statement! But if that's your opinion, I understand why you have them so far down the rankings.

I'm wondering if some of you NDSU guys who have them out of the top 5 are hyper-analyzing NDSU's 2021 resume and disregarding more significant shortcomings in other teams you are ranking higher like for instance the very weak SOS of JMU and Weber.

If NDSU wins, I will move them as #2 behind the winner of the SIU and SDSU game. There is really nothing else any other current Top 5 or 10 team could do to change that, based on the scheduled matchups this weekend.

But since POD Knows they can't win, I guess this whole thing is just moot.

#BookIt

[Hambone]

1: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
2: Weber State Wildcats
3: Sam Houston State Bearkats
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: James Madison Dukes
6: Southern Illinois Salukis
7: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
8: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
9: Kennesaw State Owls
10: North Dakota State Bison
11: Nicholls State Colonels
12: Northern Iowa Panthers
13: Incarnate Word Cardinals
14: Murray State Racers
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: UC Davis Aggies
17: Villanova Wildcats
18: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
19: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
20: Furman Paladins
21: Eastern Washington Eagles
22: Albany Great Danes
23: Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
24: Richmond Spiders
25: Idaho Vandals

Hambone

The Most Significant Win: Sam Houston State Bearkats
The Most Significant Loss: Nicholls State Colonels
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Professor Chaos]

That's a bold statement! But if that's your opinion, I understand why you have them so far down the rankings.

I'm wondering if some of you NDSU guys who have them out of the top 5 are hyper-analyzing NDSU's 2021 resume and disregarding more significant shortcomings in other teams you are ranking higher like for instance the very weak SOS of JMU and Weber.

If NDSU wins, I will move them as #2 behind the winner of the SIU and SDSU game. There is really nothing else any other current Top 5 or 10 team could do to change that, based on the scheduled matchups this weekend.

But since POD Knows they can't win, I guess this whole thing is just moot.
Don't try to understand POD's psyche... it's dangerous. ;)

I'm probably harder on my Bison than the casual observer because I haven't seen them completely dominated like they were by SIU in over a decade. But as a fan base we do have insanely high standards for our favorite squad if you hadn't noticed. It definitely helps to have perspective from fans of other schools who don't have such wacked out expectations for the Bison football team so I appreciate your perspective. :)

[Daytripper]

Don't try to understand POD's psyche... it's dangerous. ;)

I'm probably harder on my Bison than the casual observer because I haven't seen them completely dominated like they were by SIU in over a decade. But as a fan base we do have insanely high standards for our favorite squad if you hadn't noticed. It definitely helps to have perspective from fans of other schools who don't have such wacked out expectations for the Bison football team so I appreciate your perspective. :)

For all the new people on this forum, Professor Chaos is the Gandhi of Bison fans. Practical, pragmatic and chill. The rest of them are raving lunatics.:Dxnodx

[Professor Chaos]

For all the new people on this forum, Professor Chaos is the Gandhi of Bison fans. Practical, pragmatic and chill. The rest of them are raving lunatics.:Dxnodx
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But come on now not all Bison fans are raving lunatics... I can think of at least 3.5 of us on this forum who are not. :D

On a side note I try to refrain from posting during Bison games as much as possible... the expletives yelled from my seat in front of the TV and in the Fargodome while the action is ongoing are anything but chill. xlolx

[dewey]

Two part question for voters who have NDSU in the 6-10 range.

How likely do you think it is that NDSU will win the game with UND this weekend?

If they do, should they be ranked #1?

If your answers is better than 50/50 and yes, than you should currently have them in your top 5.

I do think NDSU has a good chance of winning this weekend against the Siouxage. Even if NDSU wins I would not vote them #1 unless there were multiple upsets ahead of them.

Weber State, James Madison, Sam Houston State, Southern Illionois would be ahead of NDSU in my poll.

Dewey

[dewey]

If Sam Houston wins v. Lamar I will rank them ahead of NDSU even if they beat UND. The Bison have a loss. An ugly loss. Sam Houston would be 2-0 versus ranked teams, including a top ten (whether they should have been there or not is irrelevant). If your standard is that a one-loss team who beats a #1 should be #1, then SIU should be #1.

Completely agree with this statement. That loss to SIU WAS UGLY! Numerous teams don't have that ugly loss.

Dewey

[Puddin Tane]

Two part question for voters who have NDSU in the 6-10 range.

How likely do you think it is that NDSU will win the game with UND this weekend?

If they do, should they be ranked #1?

If your answers is better than 50/50 and yes, than you should currently have them in your top 5.

well, I forgot where I ranked em, but NDSU will win. If nothing else, I’ve come to believe that the refs are on the payroll.

You can bet your snowmobile on it.

I have zero respect for the politically correct mascot. Now, fighting Sioux was bad ass. Hawk? Just a fat cardinal.

[Puddin Tane]

Or is it snow machine? Down here we call em jet skis

[KPSUL]

Completely agree with this statement. That loss to SIU WAS UGLY! Numerous teams don't have that ugly loss.

Dewey

Before the NDSU phenom, it was not uncommon for FCS / 1AA teams to play an "ugly" game or two and still go deep in the playoffs, even win the the whole thing. Hopefully that will be the "new" normal once again. Trust me "ugly" over the past 9 years is way uglier than your 38-14 loss on the road to a very good SIU team. Ask any of the top recent teams not named the Bison: SDSU @ JMU, JSU @ Maine and SHSU @ JMU. Maine @ EWU etc, etc, etc.

[FUBeAR]

Before the NDSU phenom, it was not uncommon for FCS / 1AA teams to play an "ugly" game or two and still go deep in the playoffs, even win the the whole thing. Hopefully that will be the "new" normal once again. Trust me "ugly" over the past 9 years is way uglier than your 38-14 loss on the road to a very good SIU team. Ask any of the top recent teams not named the Bison: SDSU @ JMU, JSU @ Maine and SHSU @ JMU. Maine @ EWU etc, etc, etc.yep...a tradition that goes WAY back...



Date
Opponent
Site
Result


September 14
Newberry

L 21–24



1985 - Furman lost, in Game 2, at home, to an NAIA Team that did not make the Playoffs & finished a few games over .500. The Paladins then reeled off 11 fairly dominating wins (including beating NC State 42-20), before falling in the Div I-AA National Championship Game by 2 points on a last seconds pass by GaSou’s great QB, Tracy Ham.

[dewey]

Here is my top 25 poll. Feel free to comment as needed.

Your vote is listed below.


1: Sam Houston State Bearkats
2: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: Southern Illinois Salukis
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
8: North Dakota State Bison
9: Virginia Military Institute Keydets
10: Kennesaw State Owls
11: Richmond Spiders
12: Furman Paladins
13: James Madison Dukes
14: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
15: Northern Iowa Panthers
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: Nicholls State Colonels
18: Albany Great Danes
19: Incarnate Word Cardinals
20: Chattanooga Mocs
21: UC Davis Aggies
22: New Hampshire Wildcats
23: Monmouth Hawks
24: Eastern Washington Eagles
25: Murray State Racers

dewey

The Most Significant Win: Sam Houston State Bearkats
The Most Significant Loss: Villanova Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Dewey

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

What i've found difficult is valuing a loss for what i believe to be a good team. In a normal year I give everyone a mulligan. I don't expect any team to go undefeated given the variables of football. Generally speaking, I'll give 90% of FCS teams 2 mulligans given FBS games/injuries/tough back-2-back/general ebb and flow of the season. Historically, even the best of the best have a loss or two.

However, with such a unique season combined with a short season I know W/L's needs to be more significant. But how much more so? Nicholls State lost by 54 and for whatever reason I don't think it's THAT significant; relative to if it were to occur in October. Likewise SHSU won that game by 54 points and I'm not sure what it really means in the grand scheme of things.

I feel like it's definitely a situation where we honestly won't have a clue until the regular season is over and we can reflect upon the season in its entirety. Trying to disseminate these bits and pieces of info during the course of such an odd spring schedule is basically impossible. But fun to take a shot in the dark...

[Houndawg]

What i've found difficult is valuing a loss for what i believe to be a good team. In a normal year I give everyone a mulligan. I don't expect any team to go undefeated given the variables of football. Generally speaking, I'll give 90% of FCS teams 2 mulligans given FBS games/injuries/tough back-2-back/general ebb and flow of the season. Historically, even the best of the best have a loss or two.

However, with such a unique season combined with a short season I know W/L's needs to be more significant. But how much more so? Nicholls State lost by 54 and for whatever reason I don't think it's THAT significant; relative to if it were to occur in October. Likewise SHSU won that game by 54 points and I'm not sure what it really means in the grand scheme of things.

I feel like it's definitely a situation where we honestly won't have a clue until the regular season is over and we can reflect upon the season in its entirety. Trying to disseminate these bits and pieces of info during the course of such an odd spring schedule is basically impossible. But fun to take a shot in the dark...

Start from UND is not 3 scores better than SIU and NDSU is not 3 scores worse than SIU

[TheKingpin28]

For all the new people on this forum, Professor Chaos is the Gandhi of Bison fans. Practical, pragmatic and chill. The rest of them are raving lunatics.:Dxnodx

Hey some of us are emotional fair weather fans! Don't you forget that.

[Bisonator]

For all the new people on this forum, Professor Chaos is the Gandhi of Bison fans. Practical, pragmatic and chill. The rest of them are raving lunatics.:Dxnodx

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[POD Knows]

That's a bold statement! But if that's your opinion, I understand why you have them so far down the rankings.

I'm wondering if some of you NDSU guys who have them out of the top 5 are hyper-analyzing NDSU's 2021 resume and disregarding more significant shortcomings in other teams you are ranking higher like for instance the very weak SOS of JMU and Weber.

If NDSU wins, I will move them as #2 behind the winner of the SIU and SDSU game. There is really nothing else any other current Top 5 or 10 team could do to change that, based on the scheduled matchups this weekend.

But since POD Knows they can't win, I guess this whole thing is just moot.I am still in recovery with PTSD from the SIU game a couple weeks back. I will admit that I have JSU and WSU relatively high in my poll and it is primarily a reputation placement, they win football games and WSU won a close one with UC Davis who I think is a pretty decent team, JMU hasn't played anybody yet and now they get to dodge Richmond.

Have you seen NDSU play this year??? It isn't pretty. They are still a competitive football team but they have a lot of weaknesses.

[POD Knows]

I do think NDSU has a good chance of winning this weekend against the Siouxage. Even if NDSU wins I would not vote them #1 unless there were multiple upsets ahead of them.

Weber State, James Madison, Sam Houston State, Southern Illionois would be ahead of NDSU in my poll.

DeweyIf a miracle happens and NDSU beats UND, how do you place SIU/UND/NDSU? I would have all three of these teams ahead of WSU and JMU but what order would you put them in, it is an impossible call and if SDSU beats SIU what do you do? If NDSU and SDSU win this weekend, I really don't have a clue what to do with these 4 teams, they will all probably be in my top 5, behind SHSU if they win but OMG, what order do you put them in. I guess that is why they pay us the big money to send these polls in. :D

[TheKingpin28]

If a miracle happens and NDSU beats UND, how do you place SIU/UND/NDSU? I would have all three of these teams ahead of WSU and JMU but what order would you put them in, it is an impossible call and if SDSU beats SIU what do you do? If NDSU and SDSU win this weekend, I really don't have a clue what to do with these 4 teams, they will all probably be in my top 5, behind SHSU if they win but OMG, what order do you put them in. I guess that is why they pay us the big money to send these polls in. :D

We getting a #Bookit for this game?

[POD Knows]

We getting a #Bookit for this game?There isn't enough #BOOKIT karma available to affect this game. #BOOKIT

[TheKingpin28]

There isn't enough #BOOKIT karma available to affect this game. #BOOKIT

The elusive double #BOOKIT. Damn, this is going to get ugly quick.

[SDFS]

The elusive double #BOOKIT. Damn, this is going to get ugly quick.

So, is a double #BOOKIT like a double neg? or is it a multiplier as in a factor of proportionality that measures how much a N endogenous variable changes in response to a change in some exogenous variable?

[POD Knows]

So, is a double #BOOKIT like a double neg? or is it a multiplier as in a factor of proportionality that measures how much a N endogenous variable changes in response to a change in some exogenous variable?
Yes. Exactly that.

[TheKingpin28]

So, is a double #BOOKIT like a double neg? or is it a multiplier as in a factor of proportionality that measures how much a N endogenous variable changes in response to a change in some exogenous variable?

See PODs response.

[HootyHoo]

I'm just proud of you guys for not dropping KSU after a win. I think we are making real progress here.

[skinny_uncle]

If a miracle happens and NDSU beats UND, how do you place SIU/UND/NDSU? I would have all three of these teams ahead of WSU and JMU but what order would you put them in, it is an impossible call and if SDSU beats SIU what do you do? If NDSU and SDSU win this weekend, I really don't have a clue what to do with these 4 teams, they will all probably be in my top 5, behind SHSU if they win but OMG, what order do you put them in. I guess that is why they pay us the big money to send these polls in. :D
If the Bison and Salukis both win out, the Valley could end up in a three way tie. Seeding that is not a job I would want.

[SDFS]

Yes. Exactly that.

Thats what I thought - thanks for clearing that up for me.xdrunkyx

[McNeese75]

I have zero respect for the politically correct mascot. Now, fighting Sioux was bad ass. Hawk? Just a fat cardinal.

xlolx

[POD Knows]

Thats what I thought - thanks for clearing that for me.xdrunkyxAny time, glad to help