No more 2020 football season?

[bonarae]

Although the article below is FBS, may we get our hands full on discussing what the impact on our FCS programs may be if the coming season is cancelled?

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/will-the-2020-college-football-season-be-canceled-coaches-ads-weigh-possibility-and-impact/

[wapiti]

If FBS is cancelled then FCS would be the biggest college game playing.

[centennial]

Although the article below is FBS, may we get our hands full on discussing what the impact on our FCS programs may be if the coming season is cancelled?

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/will-the-2020-college-football-season-be-canceled-coaches-ads-weigh-possibility-and-impact/

I can't see how we play this year.

[Professor Chaos]

It's idiotic to even be contemplating this right now. There's no reason to even make a decision before July. As if this blurb from the article means anything:

With 72 percent of Americans believing containment will take a few months or longer, 57 percent say the battle with the coronavirus is "going badly," according to a CBS News poll.
It's just sportswriters and pundits trying to find something to talk about.

[ming01]

Hopefully next time we dont cancel things when we have an above average flu season

[ST_Lawson]

Not sure what the delay was, since we (WIU fans) have known this was going to be the schedule for at least the last couple of months, but here's WIU's (assuming no change of schedule or cancellation of season due to COVID-19):

https://twitter.com/WIUfootball/status/1243189650555953153

9/3 - vs North Alabama
9/12 - at Eastern Washington
9/19 - at Oklahoma State (FBS, Big 12)
9/26 - bye week
10/3 - at South Dakota
10/10 - vs Northern Iowa
10/17 - vs North Dakota
10/24 - at Illinois State
10/31 - at South Dakota State
11/7 - vs Youngstown State
11/14 - @ Southern Illinois
11/21 - vs Indiana State

Do not play - North Dakota State, Missouri State

[WestCoastAggie]

https://twitter.com/usatodaysports/status/1242865076543119362

[lionsrking2]

It's idiotic to even be contemplating this right now. There's no reason to even make a decision before July. As if this blurb from the article means anything:

It's just sportswriters and pundits trying to find something to talk about.

I agree a decision probably doesn't need to be made before July but it's not idiotic, in the least bit, to be contemplating it. Athletic departments, school administrators and university systems, especially during times of uncertainty, both on the health and economic side, need to plan scenarios well ahead, not on the fly. As much as I hate to think about the possibility of not having a 2020 season, there's no doubt it's being discussed at the highest levels. Especially if there's the possibility of a second wave coming sometime late fall or early next winter.

[lionsrking2]

https://twitter.com/usatodaysports/status/1242865076543119362

Baton Rouge kid. We recruited him. Sad, sad news.

[Grizalltheway]

https://twitter.com/usatodaysports/status/1242865076543119362
That poor school can't catch a break.

[DFW HOYA]

I can't see how we play this year.

Flu epidemics have a bell curve--they are not indefinite.

See the link for the curve in China.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/

[lionsrking2]

Flu epidemics have a bell curve--they are not indefinite.

See the link for the curve in China.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/

There is no vaccine and according to health experts, a second wave likely arrive in late fall or early winter.


Q

[Grizalltheway]

Flu epidemics have a bell curve--they are not indefinite.

See the link for the curve in China.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/
But you have to keep in mind they completely sealed off the region where it started, and took much more draconian social distancing measures in that region.

[Professor Chaos]

There is no vaccine and according to health experts, a second wave likely arrive in late fall or early winter.


Q
You can find "expert opinions" all over the board right now. From it'll peak within the next 2-3 weeks to it won't peak until mid-summer to this will come back every year to it'll be dormant for multiple years after this outbreak.

Neither us nor the experts even have close to enough data to make intelligent decisions about what to do 5+ months from now.

[lionsrking2]

You can find "expert opinions" all over the board right now. From it'll peak within the next 2-3 weeks to it won't peak until mid-summer to this will come back every year to it'll be dormant multiple years after this outbreak.

We don't even have close to enough data to make decisions about what to do in September.

We have more than enough data to contemplate multiple scenarios which include the possibility of no football in 2020. To deny it is to deny reality. Not talking about making a firm decision now.

[Professor Chaos]

We have more than enough data to contemplate multiple scenarios which include the possibility of no football in 2020. To deny it is to deny reality. Not talking about making a firm decision now.
Anything is possible because we know so little about how this thing cycles. It's possible it eventually kills us all too.

[ASU33]

Baton Rouge kid. We recruited him. Sad, sad news.

Yep. He originally signed with SU. He was just back in the area for the state basketball tournament

[lionsrking2]

Anything is possible because we know so little about how this thing cycles. It's possible it eventually kills us all too.

Then dont say it's idiotic to contemplate.

[Professor Chaos]

Then dont say it's idiotic to contemplate.
Fair enough, contemplate away. I'm just going to hope the university, conference, and NCAA leadership isn't pressured into making decisions more quickly than needed by this "contemplation" similar to what happened with the IOC.

[PaladinFan]

Then dont say it's idiotic to contemplate.

We are dealing with a scourge that has, up until the past few months, been completely unknown to human history. We can make guesses, but no one has any idea what this looks like going forward.

I'm a bit anxious as to what this looks like for the FCS. Most of our member schools require playing big guarantee games every year. If those games don't happen, what then? Some of these checks go to fund the athletic department at smaller schools and go well beyond football.

[Baron Sardonicus]

Starship Troopers foresaw the future of football. Add respirators and facemasks, and you've got it. xeyebrowx

31451

[Baron Sardonicus]

And here's a spectator of the future, spewing anti-viral stuff.

31452

[PAllen]

If FBS is cancelled then FCS would be the biggest college game playing.

If FBS is cancelled, the lower divisions will not play. NAIA is about the only one that could stay open for business, but I doubt they would in that scenario.

If this does make it into the fall, I wonder what the impact on the value of professional sports franchises will be.

[NY Crusader 2010]

Maybe the National Christian Association or whatever it is will be the only operating college football league. Wouldn't that be something?

[Seahawks Fan]

Anything is possible at this point. We are dealing with a big unknown. Let us all hope for the best.

[ASU33]

I'm hoping for the best. Right now I'm 50/50 if we have a season at all.

[Paladin1aa]

The evidence shows all ages are at risk with underlying health conditions, known and unknown, with a potential death sentence if infected. It’s not just your parents and grandparents at risk. Good to know who is willing to sacrifice their family, neighbors and friends. The almighty dollar and football, the religion of those who would exploit others. Amen.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

The evidence shows all ages are at risk with underlying health conditions, known and unknown, with a potential death sentence if infected. It’s not just your parents and grandparents at risk. Good to know who is willing to sacrifice their family, neighbors and friends. The almighty dollar and football, the religion of those who would exploit others. Amen.



Pretty over the top with this statement IMO.

I'm sure the NCAA will cancel fall sports across the board if this virus is not contained or a vaccine is not ready.

[JacksFan40]

Maybe the National Christian Association or whatever it is will be the only operating college football league. Wouldn't that be something?
Hey if all I can see is the NCCAA Championship, I guess it’ll have to do.

[NY Crusader 2010]

My prediction is that there WILL be a 2020 college football season but their will be cancellations and delays to some extent. I could see a NESCAC-style season where non-conference is largely cancelled and camp is delayed until the start of fall semester with regular season starting October 1st. Obviously, not every region of the country is seeing the zenith of the COVID outbreak at the same time so different regions will be on different pages when it comes to restrictions on large gatherings this summer and fall.

Fall camps start first week of August -- looking less and less likely that college campuses across the board will be open by that point.

[PAllen]

The evidence shows all ages are at risk with underlying health conditions, known and unknown, with a potential death sentence if infected. It’s not just your parents and grandparents at risk. Good to know who is willing to sacrifice their family, neighbors and friends. The almighty dollar and football, the religion of those who would exploit others. Amen.

Because it's not like millions of people will die and trillions will suffer more than they ever could have imagined in their lives if we ignore the economy and send it into a depression. Oh wait, that's exactly what will happen. As for football, I don't see anyone calling for risking public health just to have some sports on TV.

[SUPharmacist]

Because it's not like millions of people will die and trillions will suffer more than they ever could have imagined in their lives if we ignore the economy and send it into a depression. Oh wait, that's exactly what will happen. As for football, I don't see anyone calling for risking public health just to have some sports on TV.

Trillions will suffer?

[Sundog]

Trillions will suffer?

That count includes rats and Bison-haters.

[PAllen]

Trillions will suffer?

I meant billions. No idea why I wrote trillions.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Because it's not like millions of people will die and trillions will suffer more than they ever could have imagined in their lives if we ignore the economy and send it into a depression. Oh wait, that's exactly what will happen. As for football, I don't see anyone calling for risking public health just to have some sports on TV.



Spot on with this.

Yes, this needs to get contained and hopefully a vaccine is ready soon. The longer this goes and our country stays "shut down" the longer it will take to recover from this. If this continues well past the summer and into next year, God forbid, our economy will tank and it will take years to recover.

[major095]

I still have a hard time wrapping my mind around the idea that NDSU fans prayed up a pandemic just so they wouldn't lose to A&T.xlolx

[BisonFan02]

I still have a hard time wrapping my mind around the idea that NDSU fans prayed up a pandemic just so they wouldn't lose to A&T.xlolx

It's about as believable as a FCS level bowl game winner claiming any sort of national championship. :D

[lionsrking2]

Spot on with this.

Yes, this needs to get contained and hopefully a vaccine is ready soon. The longer this goes and our country stays "shut down" the longer it will take to recover from this. If this continues well past the summer and into next year, God forbid, our economy will tank and it will take years to recover.

The economy will bounce back, lost lives won't. A few months of fiscal pain and disruption will pale in comparison if this thing gets out of control more than it already has. I know people and families who've been devastated. COVID-19 doesn't respect borders, age, race, sex, political affiliation or socioeconomic status. We'll eventually get through it.

[SUPharmacist]

I still have a hard time wrapping my mind around the idea that NDSU fans prayed up a pandemic just so they wouldn't lose to A&T.xlolx

We didn't pray for this. We already made our deal with the Devil for all these titles, this is just our debt being paid. I personally am very disappointed with the Devil, I had thought he was just going to make us lose to A&T.

Crappy jokes aside here is hoping this blows over and doesn't even meet the more conservative estimates for deaths/hospitalizations. I am hoping we get our **** together on containment and we will have a football season. I am a little nervous that things will improve enough to have College Football and the NFL start as usual and the gatherings be a catalyst for an awful rebound in the Fall/Winter.

While it seems like the odds of a vaccine in an actionable timeframe for the worst of this seem low, it does seem like we have some good drug candidates to help treat or possibly prevent infection. If the studies pan out I look forward to discovering we still have the ability to produce these meds to the scale we will need to bring this under control.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

The economy will bounce back, lost lives won't. A few months of fiscal pain and disruption will pale in comparison if this thing gets out of control more than it already has. I know people and families who've been devastated. COVID-19 doesn't respect borders, age, race, sex, political affiliation or socioeconomic status. We'll eventually get through it.


Just like the Spanish flu and Black Plague also....

"A few months of fiscal pain"......this is going to be way more than that to fully recover. Try years.

[PAllen]

The economy will bounce back, lost lives won't. A few months of fiscal pain and disruption will pale in comparison if this thing gets out of control more than it already has. I know people and families who've been devastated. COVID-19 doesn't respect borders, age, race, sex, political affiliation or socioeconomic status. We'll eventually get through it.

I really hope that you're right about the months part, but I think it will take much longer than that for the economy to recover.

[mainejeff]

Hopefully next time we dont cancel things when we have an above average flu season

Funny.....I don't remember them lining up refrigeration trucks in NYC for the bodies of flu victims.

[mainejeff]

I really hope that you're right about the months part, but I think it will take much longer than that for the economy to recover.

That's not what the stock market is saying.....

[walliver]

The NFL will play. Possibly with no fans, but there is too much TV money not to play. Teams may be isolated.

As for college football, the season may be moved up to summer and the season end in October. To a great extent, it will depend on when non-Liberty schools reopen their campuses.

Vaccines are still a year or more away. Of the 5 being tested (of which I am aware), 4 of them are in Phase 1 testing - this is basically where the vaccine is given to healthy people to see if the vaccine does bad things. One potential vaccine is in Phase 2 which is where they fine tune dosage and administration issues. No vaccine is in Phase 3 which is when we find out if the vaccine actually works.

Viruses in nature tend to follow a bell curve pattern, but that assumes no interventions are taken. Social distancing will change the curve, but also create a situation leaving a large proportion of the population with no immunity. We also don't know how the curve will play out in more rural areas. It may be a gentler, but more prolonged curve than we are seeing in New York, but no-one really knows. Things may normalize some this summer, but we may have to re-distance again in late fall.

The last estimate I heard was that approximately 50% of all Americans will be exposed this year, and 70% by the end of two years. At that point, the combination of herd immunity as well as potential vaccines and treatments will likely put an end to COVID-19 for the time being and football and other sports will be back by 2021 or 2022. I hope I am wrong and this virus disappears as quickly as it came.

If college football is played this year, it may be in empty stadia. Imagine if just one carrier of the virus got into the Fargodome. It would change the complexion of this board overnight.

[clenz]

The NFL will play. Possibly with no fans, but there is too much TV money not to play. Teams may be isolated.

As for college football, the season may be moved up to summer and the season end in October. To a great extent, it will depend on when non-Liberty schools reopen their campuses.

Vaccines are still a year or more away. Of the 5 being tested (of which I am aware), 4 of them are in Phase 1 testing - this is basically where the vaccine is given to healthy people to see if the vaccine does bad things. One potential vaccine is in Phase 2 which is where they fine tune dosage and administration issues. No vaccine is in Phase 3 which is when we find out if the vaccine actually works.

Viruses in nature tend to follow a bell curve pattern, but that assumes no interventions are taken. Social distancing will change the curve, but also create a situation leaving a large proportion of the population with no immunity. We also don't know how the curve will play out in more rural areas. It may be a gentler, but more prolonged curve than we are seeing in New York, but no-one really knows. Things may normalize some this summer, but we may have to re-distance again in late fall.

The last estimate I heard was that approximately 50% of all Americans will be exposed this year, and 70% by the end of two years. At that point, the combination of herd immunity as well as potential vaccines and treatments will likely put an end to COVID-19 for the time being and football and other sports will be back by 2021 or 2022. I hope I am wrong and this virus disappears as quickly as it came.

If college football is played this year, it may be in empty stadia. Imagine if just one carrier of the virus got into the Fargodome. It would change the complexion of this board overnight.They traced Italy's **** show to a single soccer match and like 2 or 3 people

Think about that

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[Professor Chaos]

They traced Italy's **** show to a single soccer match and like 2 or 3 people

Think about that

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I have serious doubts how plausible that explanation is. Millions of people were traveling in and out of Wuhan all over the world before they locked it down and there is still not adequate testing even now anywhere really much less in Italy in mid-February. The fact that people can be asymptomatic and contagious and/or carrying it, potentially spreading it, for 5-14 days before showing symptoms makes my highly skeptical they can trace any of the outbreaks other than the very first one in Wuhan.

[clenz]

I have serious doubts how plausible that explanation is. Millions of people were traveling in and out of Wuhan all over the world before they locked it down and there is still not adequate testing even now anywhere really much less in Italy in mid-February. The fact that people can be asymptomatic and contagious and/or carrying it, potentially spreading it, for 5-14 days before showing symptoms makes my highly skeptical they can trace any of the outbreaks other than the very first one in Wuhan.
https://time.com/5809848/game-zero-soccer-game-italy/


(ROME) — It was the biggest soccer game in Atalanta’s history and a third of Bergamo’s population made the short trip to Milan’s famed San Siro Stadium.


Nearly 2,500 fans of visiting Spanish club Valencia also traveled to that Champions League match.


More than a month later, experts are pointing to the Feb. 19 game as one of the biggest reasons why Bergamo has become one of the epicenters of the coronavirus pandemic — a “biological bomb” was the way one respiratory specialist put it — and why 35% of Valencia’s team became infected.


The match, which local media have dubbed “Game Zero,” was held two days before the first case of locally transmitted COVID-19 was confirmed in Italy.


“We were mid-February so we didn’t have the circumstances of what was happening,” Bergamo Mayor Giorgio Gori said this week during a live Facebook chat with the Foreign Press Association in Rome. “If it’s true what they’re saying that the virus was already circulating in Europe in January, then it’s very probable that 40,000 Bergamaschi in the stands of San Siro, all together, exchanged the virus between them. As is possible that so many Bergamaschi that night got together in houses, bars to watch the match and did the same.

“Unfortunately, we couldn’t have known. No one knew the virus was already here,” the mayor added. “It was inevitable.”


Less than a week after the game, the first cases were reported in the province of Bergamo.


At about the same time in Valencia, a journalist who traveled to the match became the second person infected in the region, and it didn’t take long before people who were in contact with him also had the virus, as did Valencia fans who were at the game.


While Atalanta announced its first positive case Tuesday for goalkeeper Marco Sportiello, Valencia said more than a third of its squad got infected, “despite the strict measures adopted by the club” after the match in Milan.


As of Tuesday, nearly 7,000 people in the province of Bergamo had tested positive for COVID-19 and more than 1,000 people had died from the virus — making Bergamo the most deadly province in all of Italy for the pandemic. The Valencia region had more than 2,600 people infected.

Luca Lorini, the head of the intensive care unit at the Pope John XXIII hospital in Bergamo, currently has 88 patients under his care with the coronavirus; not including many more in other parts of the hospital.


“I’m sure that 40,000 people hugging and kissing each other while standing a centimeter apart — four times, because Atalanta scored four goals (the final result was 4-1) — was definitely a huge accelerator for contagion,” Lorini told The Associated Press on Wednesday.


“Right now we’re at war. When peace time comes, I can assure you we will go and see how many of the 40,000 people who went to the game became infected,” Lorini added. “Right now we have other priorities.”


Silvio Brusaferro, the head of Italy’s Superior Institute of Health, said over the weekend at the nightly nationally televised briefing by the civil protection agency that the game was “one of the hypotheses” being evaluated as a source of the crisis in Bergamo.


“It’s certainly an analysis that can be made,” Brusaferro said.


By last week, Bergamo’s cemetery became so overwhelmed by the number of dead that military trucks began transporting bodies to a neighboring region for cremation.

The official attendance for the Feb. 19 game was 45,792 — a “home” record for Atalanta, a small club making its debut in Europe’s top club competition.


Atalanta captain Alejandro “Papu” Gómez told Argentine daily Olé it was “terrible” to have played that game.


“It’s a city of 120,000 people and that day (40,000) went to the San Siro,” the Argentine said. “It was a historic match for Atalanta, something unique. To give you an idea, my wife took three hours to get to Milan, when that trip normally takes 40 minutes.”

The game was played in Milan because Atalanta’s stadium in Bergamo didn’t meet the requirements set by European soccer governing body UEFA.


Before the match, Valencia fans freely roamed around Milan and gathered at some of the city’s plazas, including the Piazza del Duomo, drinking and chanting team songs.


Looking back, the conditions for virus contagion were high, with thousands of people gathering without much concern — at a time when the outbreak in Europe wasn’t yet known — and then traveling back home. Nearly 30 busloads of fans made the 60-kilometer (37-mile) trip from Bergamo to Milan.


The evening before the match, there was no social distancing as officials from both clubs mingled and exchanged gifts and handshakes at a gala dinner offered by Atalanta.


“I have heard a lot (of theories), I’ll say mine: Feb. 19, 40,000 Bergamaschi went to San Siro for Atalanta-Valencia,” Fabiano di Marco, the chief pneumologist at the hospital in Bergamo, told Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera. “In buses, cars, trains. A biological bomb, unfortunately.”


Valencia defender Ezequiel Garay was the first Spanish league player to test positive for COVID-19. The team played a Spanish league game against Alavés about two weeks after the game in Milan, and later Alavés reported that 15 people in the club were infected, though it did not say the cases were directly related to the match against Valencia.


Italian soccer players’ association president Damiano Tommasi believes sports authorities should look long and hard at the Atalanta match before restarting leagues.








Much more in the link but you get the idea of it

[Professor Chaos]

https://time.com/5809848/game-zero-soccer-game-italy/


Much more in the link but you get the idea of it
Good info. I don't think there's any doubt that it facilitated and accelerated the spread. The virus would've gotten there anyway but it could've been be much more muted had it not been for that match. My skepticism is that all or even a majority of cases in Italy could be traced back to that particular soccer match. I'd bet plenty of them could be traced to people traveling out of country to China or anywhere else the virus has become active since then and then had normal everyday interactions after that which spread it.

[NY Crusader 2010]

The NFL will play. Possibly with no fans, but there is too much TV money not to play. Teams may be isolated.

As for college football, the season may be moved up to summer and the season end in October. To a great extent, it will depend on when non-Liberty schools reopen their campuses.

Vaccines are still a year or more away. Of the 5 being tested (of which I am aware), 4 of them are in Phase 1 testing - this is basically where the vaccine is given to healthy people to see if the vaccine does bad things. One potential vaccine is in Phase 2 which is where they fine tune dosage and administration issues. No vaccine is in Phase 3 which is when we find out if the vaccine actually works.

Viruses in nature tend to follow a bell curve pattern, but that assumes no interventions are taken. Social distancing will change the curve, but also create a situation leaving a large proportion of the population with no immunity. We also don't know how the curve will play out in more rural areas. It may be a gentler, but more prolonged curve than we are seeing in New York, but no-one really knows. Things may normalize some this summer, but we may have to re-distance again in late fall.

The last estimate I heard was that approximately 50% of all Americans will be exposed this year, and 70% by the end of two years. At that point, the combination of herd immunity as well as potential vaccines and treatments will likely put an end to COVID-19 for the time being and football and other sports will be back by 2021 or 2022. I hope I am wrong and this virus disappears as quickly as it came.

If college football is played this year, it may be in empty stadia. Imagine if just one carrier of the virus got into the Fargodome. It would change the complexion of this board overnight.

This is not going to happen. Already talk that warmer temperatures might not kill this virus so summer activities may be in jeopardy. I can't see campuses across the board opening up for camps in June or July.

[frozennorth]

there might be a 2020 season, but it will be played in front of empty stadiums

[BEAR]

there might be a 2020 season, but it will be played in front of empty stadiums

So every game will be played at an SLC stadium? xeyebrowx

[citdog]

So every game will be played at an SLC stadium? xeyebrowx


SAVAGE

[BEAR]

SAVAGE

Beast.

[WeAreThePride]

That count includes rats and Bison-haters.
Why did you repeat yourself?

[ST_Lawson]

there might be a 2020 season, but it will be played in front of empty stadiums

Oh good, we're all set then.

Leatherneck fans...practicing social distancing at games before it was cool.

[JSUSoutherner]

Fair enough, contemplate away. I'm just going to hope the university, conference, and NCAA leadership isn't pressured into making decisions more quickly than needed by this "contemplation" similar to what happened with the IOC.

The Olympics are a bit different. There's a lot of up front prep that goes into the Olympics. I was in London as part of the New Year's Day parade in 2012 and Olympic prep was all over the place. It also draws nearly half a million people so it gave everyone ample warning to change plans. For these reasons, comparing the FCS to the Olympics is a bit silly. I think the IOC made the right move here.

Doubt I ever say that about the IOC again.

[Professor Chaos]

The Olympics are a bit different. There's a lot of up front prep that goes into the Olympics. I was in London as part of the New Year's Day parade in 2012 and Olympic prep was all over the place. It also draws nearly half a million people so it gave everyone ample warning to change plans. For these reasons, comparing the FCS to the Olympics is a bit silly. I think the IOC made the right move here.

Doubt I ever say that about the IOC again.
I'm comparing the NCAA to the IOC so really college football in general which is probably much bigger than the Olympics at least in this country. I was fine with the IOC's decision but what floored me was how the IOC president was apparently "grilled" by the media about taking too long to make a decision and even asked if he was going to resign due to the criticism when they called things off 4 months in advance. We've gotten to the point now where the mob mentality considers anything that isn't an overreaction an under reaction and the NFL along with the NCAA (for college football) are going to be in that mob's crosshairs very soon if not already.

[clenz]

I'm comparing the NCAA to the IOC so really college football in general which is probably much bigger than the Olympics at least in this country. I was fine with the IOC's decision but what floored me was how the IOC president was apparently "grilled" by the media about taking too long to make a decision and even asked if he was going to resign due to the criticism when they called things off 4 months in advance. We've gotten to the point now where the mob mentality considers anything that isn't an overreaction an under reaction and the NFL along with the NCAA (for college football) are going to be in that mob's crosshairs very soon if not already.
There still needed to be significant events run for olympic qualifying across the world

As of now there are only 14 American athletes that are officially qualified for the Olympics by name.
There are only 62 others that have qualified "by quota" - like 15 softball players, though none of the players themselves are actually qualified as they aren't qualified by name.

Not a single Track and Field qualifier had been decided - that's a massive deal
Not a single male swimmer, and only 4 women swimmers, had been decided - that's a massive deal
A number of gymnastics slots are still open - massive deal
Only 4 of 6 baseball teams had been decided - and one of them is the host country of Japan who gets in no matter what
The basketball field was barely over 50% full
No beach volleyball teams
Less than half the boxers
None of the cycling events
About a quarter of the diving field
Wrestling had none
A larger number of table tennis teams are empty
No water polo teams

You get the point.

The logistics of being able to still pull the Olympics off in 4 months is almost impossible considering you can't run qualifications and maybe like 35-40% of total Olympic slots have been filled.

Looking beyond just the potential of the virus spreading at the event - nothing leading up to the event that still needs to be done is/can be done


The ratings difference between football and the Olympics isn't what you'd think.

The winter olympics in South Korea averaged 19.8 million people in the US. The CFP Title game had 25m. Did CFB have more? Sure, for the title game. The semi finals had less people than the winter Olympics averaged - and that's the winter Olympics, which is far less popular (and down in rankings compared to the previous Winter games)

The Summer Olympics of 2016 - which was on tape delay and everyone already knew the results - averaged 32 million viewers in the US.


The amount of logistics that goes into ending a college football season is far far far far less than the WORLD OLYMPICS.

[Professor Chaos]

There still needed to be significant events run for olympic qualifying across the world

As of now there are only 14 American athletes that are officially qualified for the Olympics by name.
There are only 62 others that have qualified "by quota" - like 15 softball players, though none of the players themselves are actually qualified as they aren't qualified by name.

Not a single Track and Field qualifier had been decided - that's a massive deal
Not a single male swimmer, and only 4 women swimmers, had been decided - that's a massive deal
A number of gymnastics slots are still open - massive deal
Only 4 of 6 baseball teams had been decided - and one of them is the host country of Japan who gets in no matter what
The basketball field was barely over 50% full
No beach volleyball teams
Less than half the boxers
None of the cycling events
About a quarter of the diving field
Wrestling had none
A larger number of table tennis teams are empty
No water polo teams

You get the point.

The logistics of being able to still pull the Olympics off in 4 months is almost impossible considering you can't run qualifications and maybe like 35-40% of total Olympic slots have been filled.

Looking beyond just the potential of the virus spreading at the event - nothing leading up to the event that still needs to be done is/can be done


The ratings difference between football and the Olympics isn't what you'd think.

The winter olympics in South Korea averaged 19.8 million people in the US. The CFP Title game had 25m. Did CFB have more? Sure, for the title game. The semi finals had less people than the winter Olympics averaged - and that's the winter Olympics, which is far less popular (and down in rankings compared to the previous Winter games)

The Summer Olympics of 2016 - which was on tape delay and everyone already knew the results - averaged 32 million viewers in the US.


The amount of logistics that goes into ending a college football season is far far far far less than the WORLD OLYMPICS.
You guys are good at moving goalposts. I wasn't comparing FCS to Olympics as JSUSoutherner insinuated so I clarified as saying I was comparing the it to the entire NCAA from a football standpoint. He made the comparison to a half million fans at the Olympics which is why I said college football is bigger because that's just a fraction of the amount of fans in college football stadiums on a single fall Saturday.

As for the Olympics like I said I was fine with the decision it was just silly to me how people demanded that it be made sooner than it was. I'm sure there are a ton of logistics for qualifying events and the sort but none of those were happening or was imminent anyway so I didn't see the rush to get a decision and the heat the IOC took for "waiting too long".

[walliver]

there might be a 2020 season, but it will be played in front of empty stadiums

Except for the wealthy donors in the private boxes, of course.

[JacksFan40]

Oh good, we're all set then.

Leatherneck fans...practicing social distancing at games before it was cool.
Hey don’t feel alone, we do the same thing about halfway through the season.

[TheKingpin28]

Hey don’t feel alone, we do the same thing about halfway through the season.

Unless NDSU is at the Dykhouse, then you get your once in every two years sellout. xlolx

[favorite football fan]

This whole situation has taught us several things:
a. how trickle down economics really works (and yes, it works);
ex: cancel a season, people lose money;
b. how disposal income works;
ex: cancel a season, people won't spend money;
c. how the market system works on psychology;
ex: I'm not going there and get sick, which means I don't spend my disposal income which would have gone to a company who employs people who get money to live;
d. supply and demand;
e. Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs;
ex: you could feel really good about yourself at noon but by 1pm you could be scrambling to save your life.
f. supply chains; one affects the other etc; how global goes to local and the speed of the domino effect;

But several of you may be wondering "how does this relate to football"? "I'm here to talk smack about why my team is going to beat your pitiful worthless team."

You are seeing that there is a lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes in order for you to be able to actually "play" a game. The "talking of smack" is, in reality, a product yet we tend to think it is the driver. This is typical of human behavior in that we got quite comfortable and have actually learned (and re-learned) that natural or human-made disasters are fluid events. What could be a really good decision at 9am could really be changed to a different decision by 5pm.

As far as cancelling a season, as I recall, many colleges cancelled football seasons due to World War 2. Any one recall how great Iowa Pre-Flight was?

Now, before you folks start jumping on your keyboards exhibiting your fingertip speed and telling us "that was different, that was a war and we needed manpower to drive the war effort and fight the enemy on three fronts (Pacific, Europe and home front)", yes, you are correct; however, we are seeing similarities and can make generalizations. And yes, you are correct that they are indeed different in that we are fighting an invisible enemy.

And yes, 1943 and 1944, North Dakota State did not field football teams.

[ngineer]

The NFL will play. Possibly with no fans, but there is too much TV money not to play. Teams may be isolated.

As for college football, the season may be moved up to summer and the season end in October. To a great extent, it will depend on when non-Liberty schools reopen their campuses.

Vaccines are still a year or more away. Of the 5 being tested (of which I am aware), 4 of them are in Phase 1 testing - this is basically where the vaccine is given to healthy people to see if the vaccine does bad things. One potential vaccine is in Phase 2 which is where they fine tune dosage and administration issues. No vaccine is in Phase 3 which is when we find out if the vaccine actually works.

Viruses in nature tend to follow a bell curve pattern, but that assumes no interventions are taken. Social distancing will change the curve, but also create a situation leaving a large proportion of the population with no immunity. We also don't know how the curve will play out in more rural areas. It may be a gentler, but more prolonged curve than we are seeing in New York, but no-one really knows. Things may normalize some this summer, but we may have to re-distance again in late fall.

The last estimate I heard was that approximately 50% of all Americans will be exposed this year, and 70% by the end of two years. At that point, the combination of herd immunity as well as potential vaccines and treatments will likely put an end to COVID-19 for the time being and football and other sports will be back by 2021 or 2022. I hope I am wrong and this virus disappears as quickly as it came.

If college football is played this year, it may be in empty stadia. Imagine if just one carrier of the virus got into the Fargodome. It would change the complexion of this board overnight.

Weren't the great majority of FCS games played in near empty stadiums last year? We can easily adjust the 6 ft. apart spacing.

[Lion1983]

Look up Event 201...

[cx500d]

This whole situation has taught us several things:
a. how trickle down economics really works (and yes, it works);
ex: cancel a season, people lose money;
b. how disposal income works;
ex: cancel a season, people won't spend money;
c. how the market system works on psychology;
ex: I'm not going there and get sick, which means I don't spend my disposal income which would have gone to a company who employs people who get money to live;
d. supply and demand;
e. Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs;
ex: you could feel really good about yourself at noon but by 1pm you could be scrambling to save your life.
f. supply chains; one affects the other etc; how global goes to local and the speed of the domino effect;

But several of you may be wondering "how does this relate to football"? "I'm here to talk smack about why my team is going to beat your pitiful worthless team."

You are seeing that there is a lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes in order for you to be able to actually "play" a game. The "talking of smack" is, in reality, a product yet we tend to think it is the driver. This is typical of human behavior in that we got quite comfortable and have actually learned (and re-learned) that natural or human-made disasters are fluid events. What could be a really good decision at 9am could really be changed to a different decision by 5pm.

As far as cancelling a season, as I recall, many colleges cancelled football seasons due to World War 2. Any one recall how great Iowa Pre-Flight was?

Now, before you folks start jumping on your keyboards exhibiting your fingertip speed and telling us "that was different, that was a war and we needed manpower to drive the war effort and fight the enemy on three fronts (Pacific, Europe and home front)", yes, you are correct; however, we are seeing similarities and can make generalizations. And yes, you are correct that they are indeed different in that we are fighting an invisible enemy.

And yes, 1943 and 1944, North Dakota State did not field football teams.

In those days they probably would have sucked.

[bonarae]

Update:

The possible models seem endless at this point:

1. NO OOC schedule in the season for all teams
2. Shortened practice calendar (earliest is June 1)

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/will-the-2020-college-football-season-start-on-time-stakeholders-are-discussing-their-options/

https://watchstadium.com/will-there-be-college-football-in-2020-athletic-directors-weigh-in-03-30-2020/

[Professor]

For now, uncertainty continues to rule college football. Almost 20 percent of FBS athletic directors (18 percent) said there is 50/50 chance the season will be played in a survey conducted by Stadium this week (https://watchstadium.com/will-there-be-college-football-in-2020-athletic-directors-weigh-in-03-30-2020/).

[NY Crusader 2010]

Update:

The possible models seem endless at this point:

1. NO OOC schedule in the season for all teams
2. Shortened practice calendar (earliest is June 1)

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/will-the-2020-college-football-season-start-on-time-stakeholders-are-discussing-their-options/

https://watchstadium.com/will-there-be-college-football-in-2020-athletic-directors-weigh-in-03-30-2020/

My prediction is some form of option 1. I could see a "NESCAC model-for-all" scenario with college campuses staying closed through the summer. Assuming fall classes across the board are able to start on time, or at least by Labor Day, you could have camp start at the same time as regular students move in, instead of a month earlier. Regular season would start roughly October 1st.

Programs that rely the most on P5 guarantee games for funding may be in trouble. Those major P5 who rely on the ability to have revenue from 7-8 sold out home games every year will take the hardest revenue hits.

[Schism55]

https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1245725676000272384

[DFW HOYA]

Survive? Just a little hyperbole? Do we really expect the ACC, Big 12, and AAC to all go out of business?

[Seawolf97]

The Army Corps of Engineers just completed 6 Field hospitals at Stonybrook surrounding the football stadium and track and field complex. Up and ready to receive patients from NYC and surrounding communities . I truly doubt we will see football this year along with the other fall sports

[citdog]

The Army Corps of Engineers just completed 6 Field hospitals at Stonybrook surrounding the football stadium and track and field complex. Up and ready to receive patients from NYC and surrounding communities . I truly doubt we will see football this year along with the other fall sports

The rest of us must suffer because 8 million idiots want to live on one island piled atop one another.

[favorite football fan]

The 2020 NCAA Fall football schedule: will go down in history as the "asterick season" or "the Corona Season" or will look like this in media guides but called "No Football (Corona Virus).



1918
No Football (Spanish flu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu))




1943
No Football (World War II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II))


1944
No Football (World War II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II))

[caribbeanhen]

The rest of us must suffer because 8 million idiots want to live on one island piled atop one another.

Hasidic Jews and those drunken gay weddings

[ngineer]

There is now "talk" within the NCAA of consideration of shifting the 2020 fall season to start practice in February, with the schedule to start in March and ending late May. Whether there would be "playoffs" etc. A lot of schools don't have facilities to handle all sports at one time. However, football is king within the power conferences due to revenue generation. Again, it's just "talk" but various contingency plans are being studied.

[bonarae]

Link ICYMI:

https://247sports.com/college/alabama/Article/college-football-contigency-plans-2020-season-coronavirus-spring-finish-two-semesters-145640749/

[unknown3]

Pretty over the top with this statement IMO.

I'm sure the NCAA will cancel fall sports across the board if this virus is not contained or a vaccine is not ready.

Its turned out to be not over the top at all. The fact that football is the #1 concern for some of you right now is pretty pathetic to be honest.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Its turned out to be not over the top at all. The fact that football is the #1 concern for some of you right now is pretty pathetic to be honest.


Ya, it was way over the top bud.

Go over to the lounge or politics sections and check out discussions over there. This is the football section of this board and guess what is talked about.....yep, football.

What is pathetic is you painting a broad stroke in this football forum when that is what is talked about here....xcoffeex

[DFW HOYA]

The 2020 NCAA Fall football schedule: will go down in history as the "asterick season" or "the Corona Season" or will look like this in media guides but called "No Football (Corona Virus).



1918
No Football (Spanish flu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu))




1943
No Football (World War II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II))


1944
No Football (World War II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II))





Except there was a 1918 season. And a 1943 and 1944 season, too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_college_football_season

[bonarae]

The postseason-participating commissioners have a say with STATS regarding this coming season's contingency plans.

http://www.fcs.football/cfb/story.asp?i=20200405075918362267104

[caa51]

The rest of us must suffer because 8 million idiots want to live on one island piled atop one another.

Stay classy, moron!!

[citdog]

Stay classy, moron!!

xnodx xthumbsupx

[favorite football fan]

Except there was a 1918 season. And a 1943 and 1944 season, too.

You are correct; some schools chose not to participate those seasons. In the case of WW2, the service academies had a golden age and the special academies that no longer exist were dominant (Iowa Preflight).

However, in this case, my recounting of history could very well indicate that is how the season will be recorded if the 2020 season is cancelled.

[Seahawks Fan]

Stay classy, moron!!
xthumbsupx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Next political post I see on here and that poster wins a wonderful package here on AGS where you do not have access to the FCS Discussion forum any longer.

[JayJ79]

There is now "talk" within the NCAA of consideration of shifting the 2020 fall season to start practice in February, with the schedule to start in March and ending late May. Whether there would be "playoffs" etc. A lot of schools don't have facilities to handle all sports at one time. However, football is king within the power conferences due to revenue generation. Again, it's just "talk" but various contingency plans are being studied.
what facilities are used both by football and the spring sports?
weight room and training rooms, possibly. But don't all athletes these days pretty much lift/train year round to some extent anyway?
I could see staffing/personnel being an issue though. And TV conflicts between basketball postseason and early season football games.
And of course there may be football players who weren't planning on sticking around for spring semester (graduating in December or otherwise), or have other academic issues (or the opposite: being in-season in the spring clashes with the busier academic load that they had scheduled for the spring semester)

But I'm guessing most schools would rather deal with those issues than cancel an entire football season.

[walliver]

There is at least one vaccine under testing that could be ready for use by January IF everything goes perfectly (in the real world it usually doesn't). If that is the case, February practice with a March to May season would be feasible. On the other hand, if COVID-19 behaves in a seasonal fashion like influenza, February and March could be right in the heat of a second wave of illness. If the virus is seasonal, a shortened August-October Season would e more appropriate.

Basketball may be screwed either way. Packing tons of people into indoor arenas will be problematic. Temperature screenings may help with smaller venues, but would be very difficult at large stadia and arenas.

[favorite football fan]

Temp screenings I foresee occurring in the near future; in fact, I would not be surprised if you will have to stand in line and answer a few questions on an Ipad station just like ordering a burger at McDonalds.

Just like the clear bag policies, I would not be surprised if you have to bring your own gloves and face mask. Just think of the marketing that could be done with something like this.


https://www.cebm.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/TG2.png

[walliver]

Temp screenings I foresee occurring in the near future; in fact, I would not be surprised if you will have to stand in line and answer a few questions on an Ipad station just like ordering a burger at McDonalds.

Just like the clear bag policies, I would not be surprised if you have to bring your own gloves and face mask. Just think of the marketing that could be done with something like this.


https://www.cebm.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/TG2.png

The screening would have to be done without an iPad, probably by humans, since you wouldn't want thousands of people touching the same iPad. Gloves provide no benefits, other than possibly keeping your hands warm.

Possibly teams could promote events like N95 mask night. The only downside is that there are two different styles of masks and they are no interchangable. Most people could use the mask pictured, but many require a duck-bill mask. I'd hate to wait in a long line for FIT testing.

[favorite football fan]

I'm ready for the fall football season. I envision this will be a tailgate at games.
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I'm ready for the fall football season. I envision this will be a tailgate at games.
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No ****, Sherlock

[favorite football fan]

I envision people are tailgating in hazmat suits.

[favorite football fan]

No ****, Sherlock

Thank you Professor Watson. The blood on the carpet has to be from the candlestick that appears impaled in the butler's head. This leads me to believe that the butler could not have done it. But what did the butler know? The four **** might be a clue.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Man, no college FB season would really make the fall boring. I always look forward to home games and traveling to 3-4 away games every year. Hopefully this virus is in the rear view mirror by the fall and we can all enjoy our teams' games....

[walliver]

I expect games to be played at the G5 level, but probably with only wealthy donors (who have left money to the schools in their wills) in attendance.

In my section of Gibbs Stadium we already pretty much socially isolate. so Wofford may not be affected. ;)

[TribeNomad1]

I expect games to be played at the G5 level, but probably with only wealthy donors (who have left money to the schools in their wills) in attendance.

In my section of Gibbs Stadium we already pretty much socially isolate. so Wofford may not be affected. ;)

Hoping to speed the transfer of $$ to the schools?

[Son of Eli]

The decision on the 2020 season will most likely be made in July. If the projections made by the University of Washington are correct the national daily death toll will have been at virtually zero for at least six weeks by then. In that environment I very much doubt that colleges and universities will be making the call to scrap another semester or to cancel fall sports.

http://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america


Of course there is a good possibility that the Corona Virus could return later in the winter, but that means that the 2021 spring semester is more likely to be cancelled than the 2020 fall semester. Colleges won’t want to lose the entire year so there will be pressure for them to get the fall semester in during this window.

[Professor Chaos]

The decision on the 2020 season will most likely be made in July. If the projections made by the University of Washington are correct the national daily death toll will have been at virtually zero for at least six weeks by then. In that environment I very much doubt that colleges and universities will be making the call to scrap another semester or to cancel fall sports.

http://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america


Of course there is a good possibility that the Corona Virus could return later in the winter, but that means that the 2021 spring semester is more likely to be cancelled than the 2020 fall semester. Colleges won’t want to lose the entire year so there will be pressure for them to get the fall semester in during this window.
Pretty sure I saw somewhere or other that they "needed" to make a decision on playing college football in the fall by the end of May. Don't ask me why.

[ST_Lawson]

FCS schools joining G5 in asking the NCAA for temporary relaxation of member requirements
https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/29083340/schools-ask-ncaa-relax-member-requirements

[walliver]

The decision on the 2020 season will most likely be made in July. If the projections made by the University of Washington are correct the national daily death toll will have been at virtually zero for at least six weeks by then. In that environment I very much doubt that colleges and universities will be making the call to scrap another semester or to cancel fall sports.

http://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america

I frequently check that website.
The model assumes that social distancing remains in place through the end of May. That is looking less likely.
I also don't think anyone, including the people behind the model, really believes a death rate of 0 anytime soon. It does, however, seems increasingly likely that COVID-19 will behave much like influenza and take the summer off. If that happens, there may be a move to move this season forward with games in August and September. If that is to be the case, decisions about the 2020 season will need to be made early enough for teams to be ready by the first of August. The NCAA doesn't really have the luxury of waiting until July.
Football was played in Fall 1918, but many schools shortened their seasons when the new wave of Spanish Flu returned.

[Lorne_Malvo]

Well that site is funded by Bill Gates. Take with grain of salt.

[Acadia1077]

I know UMaine was already thinking about putting a halt on the schedule until October...no use of the new Chevy for me for tailgating this year :( Actually came to this forum to try and figure out if I should keep season tickets or not.

[Catatonic]

The NCAA released a plan for fall sports over the weekend. The plan calls for gradually restarting sports on a state by state basis as the number of new cases of the virus declines. The benchmarks make it very unlikely that football will kick off as scheduled in September. https://lastwordoncollegefootball.com/2020/05/03/29364-ncaa-releases-fall-sports-plan/

[BEAR]

I get restarting sports but since there are so many states with various levels of infection how are you going to let a New York team play an Arizona team for example? Hard for the less hit states to start when the opponent is from a hard hit state. xlolx

[caribbeanhen]

I get restarting sports but since there are so many states with various levels of infection how are you going to let a New York team play an Arizona team for example? Hard for the less hit states to start when the opponent is from a hard hit state. xlolx

could a few squared away states end up hosting all the games?

wishful thinking

[walliver]

The problem with all the plans is that they assume that COVID is homogeneously distributed within states. In reality, COVID ignores state lines. In Florida, for example, Miami has been hard-hit, but not Gainesville of Tallahassee. Upstate New York has been relatively spared. Campi in college towns will be much less affected than urban schools. Schools playing indoors will have issues other schools don't. Smaller schools with smaller class sizes will be able to restart and meet guidelines faster than Ohio State and its 100,000 students.

[Laker]

The MAC is eliminating post season playoffs for some sports and adjusting others. The California State University system announced earlier today that they will not be holding on campus classes this fall.

https://www.wtol.com/article/sports/major-changes-coming-to-mid-american-conference/512-0e4f0d45-546b-432f-89a1-67a5a6d8fe3c

[clenz]

The MAC is eliminating post season playoffs for some sports and adjusting others. The California State University system announced earlier today that they will not be holding on campus classes this fall.

https://www.wtol.com/article/sports/major-changes-coming-to-mid-american-conference/512-0e4f0d45-546b-432f-89a1-67a5a6d8fe3c
The MAC is making the right move, IMO.

Post season conference tournaments for most all sports are dumb - especially for single bid conferences. They'll end up rewarding their best team, not the one that happened to get hot for 5 days

[mvfcfan]

I have a feeling that the football season will go on as planned. I just think that schools in certain cities and states will have to cancel their seasons. My guess is that schools in the northeast and west coast probably wont have a season, while schools in the Midwest, Southeast, southwest, and mountain west will be able to play as long as fans wear masks and there is social distancing in the stands. I could also see schools that play in domes having to temporarily move to an outdoor setting. Like maybe the Dakota schools could all share with SDSU, while UNI shares with Drake. I think you could also see schools such as Arizona and Colorado playing in the MWC for a season. Certain conferences might have to merge their schools for a season if they have to many schools in affected regions. There will probably be a lot of schedule modifications and interesting matchups this season if it happens. Fact is just because certain parts of the country are being hit hard doesn't mean that schools in regions that barely have any cases shouldn't be able to have a season. The season can still happen with some creativity.

[favorite football fan]

I have a feeling that the football season will go on as planned. I just think that schools in certain cities and states will have to cancel their seasons. My guess is that schools in the northeast and west coast probably wont have a season, while schools in the Midwest, Southeast, southwest, and mountain west will be able to play as long as fans wear masks and there is social distancing in the stands. I could also see schools that play in domes having to temporarily move to an outdoor setting. Like maybe the Dakota schools could all share with SDSU, while UNI shares with Drake. I think you could also see schools such as Arizona and Colorado playing in the MWC for a season. Certain conferences might have to merge their schools for a season if they have to many schools in affected regions. There will probably be a lot of schedule modifications and interesting matchups this season if it happens. Fact is just because certain parts of the country are being hit hard doesn't mean that schools in regions that barely have any cases shouldn't be able to have a season. The season can still happen with some creativity.

Never happen. Creativity be damned as the liberal media mob will be sending out their apparatchiks to put pressure on those who fail to follow the rules set forth by their leaders in the regime. Remember, these coastal elites and their highfalutin ilk view people in the Midwest as nothing more than Bible-thumping, gun loving, NASCAR watching, tobacco chewing, inbred hillbillies.

[TheKingpin28]

Never happen. Creativity be damned as the liberal media mob will be sending out their apparatchiks to put pressure on those who fail to follow the rules set forth by their leaders in the regime. Remember, these coastal elites and their highfalutin ilk view people in the Midwest as nothing more than Bible-thumping, gun loving, NASCAR watching, tobacco chewing, inbred hillbillies. Can we keep the politics posts to that board?

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[Southsider]

Can we keep the politics posts to that board?

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Not sure that is possible anymore. Everything is political now...…..

[TheKingpin28]

Not sure that is possible anymore. Everything is political now...…..It's actually quite easy. You can say you are fed up with the way your state is handling it and that things are being decided prematurely by the executive level and still not made it political.

When you start throwing out a political post like that, it shows it has nothing to do with the post vs where the one I posted and you can see the difference.

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[ST_Lawson]

It's actually quite easy. You can say you are fed up with the way your state is handling it and that things are being decided prematurely by the executive level and still not made it political.

When you start throwing out a political post like that, it shows it has nothing to do with the post vs where the one I posted and you can see the difference.

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Agreed.

[UNHWildcat18]

Agreed.

2nd'd

[ElCid]

Not sure that is possible anymore. Everything is political now...…..

Sure it is. You have a choice to either post here or in the appropriate location. But this board is not the appropriate one. The following AGS board is the appropriate place: https://www.anygivensaturday.com/forumdisplay.php?57-Political-Board

You should join the discussion there. The more the merrier.

Like most, I like this FCS Discussion area politics free. I don't even like politics in the basic AGS Lounge area.

To weigh in on the actual topic here, I actually think we will have a season, but the schedules will take some tweaking. Some schools will just not play. A large chunk will. Scheduling holes will happen, but most will be filled. Just my take.

[ElCid]

The MAC is making the right move, IMO.

Post season conference tournaments for most all sports are dumb - especially for single bid conferences. They'll end up rewarding their best team, not the one that happened to get hot for 5 days

I never understood the entire concept of a post season conf tournament. Why even play the season if you do that. And there have been lots of undeserving teams advance just because they were temporarily hot.

[TheKingpin28]

Agreed.

It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing, it's about keeping the FCS board free of political drivel.

[clenz]

I never understood the entire concept of a post season conf tournament. Why even play the season if you do that. And there have been lots of undeserving teams advance just because they were temporarily hot.
1000% agree. But it's become all about money.

To use the MVC basketball tournament as an example. The last two years Bradley has won the conference tournament because they got hot the first weekend in March. The last two years Bradley has been a 5th and 6th place team.

The fact Bradley gets the autobid out of the MVC this year (for a tournament that didn't happen, I get that) when UNI had 25 wins, won the conference by 2 games, and was receiving top 25 votes almost all season is stupid.

Or last year in the Summit League where it was clear SDSU was BY FAR the best team. Hell, they beat UNI (who was down but still) by 35 in Minneapolis. They played 1 bad game in the first game of the conference tournament and lost to 8 seed WIU. Their NCAA tournament hopes were instantly gone and they were something like 27-3 at that point.

[ElCid]

1000% agree. But it's become all about money.

To use the MVC basketball tournament as an example. The last two years Bradley has won the conference tournament because they got hot the first weekend in March. The last two years Bradley has been a 5th and 6th place team.

The fact Bradley gets the autobid out of the MVC this year (for a tournament that didn't happen, I get that) when UNI had 25 wins, won the conference by 2 games, and was receiving top 25 votes almost all season is stupid.

Or last year in the Summit League where it was clear SDSU was BY FAR the best team. Hell, they beat UNI (who was down but still) by 35 in Minneapolis. They played 1 bad game in the first game of the conference tournament and lost to 8 seed WIU. Their NCAA tournament hopes were instantly gone and they were something like 27-3 at that point.

I was going to mention $...but bit my tongue.

[clenz]

I was going to mention $...but bit my tongue.The dumb part about the money piece is - outside a select few MM conferences even most mens basketball tournaments don't draw profit.

Conference tournaments for any women's sport (a select few will make money on VB - I know the MVC does - and maybe softball in the south) is a money loser. Conference tournaments for any men's sport (outside of basketball at a few places and baseball in a few places) is losing money.

The idea of conference tournaments are outdated, but it's tradition.

I, honestly, applaud the MAC for the changes they are making.

[caribbeanhen]

I was going to mention $...but bit my tongue.

why?

[DFW HOYA]

And where there is politics, there will be the media and their agenda.

Hey, let's not bring Fox News into this discussion.

[citdog]

Hey, let's not bring Fox News into this discussion.

Every other network????

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Q_uTDPPmHKs/Wq7aNlpVxnI/AAAAAAAAuOM/0X9iKYmXMxYbp6_mVY4cCBKLXR7P3LuzACLcBGAs/s640/Dogshome.jpg

[cx500d]

1000% agree. But it's become all about money.

To use the MVC basketball tournament as an example. The last two years Bradley has won the conference tournament because they got hot the first weekend in March. The last two years Bradley has been a 5th and 6th place team.

The fact Bradley gets the autobid out of the MVC this year (for a tournament that didn't happen, I get that) when UNI had 25 wins, won the conference by 2 games, and was receiving top 25 votes almost all season is stupid.

Or last year in the Summit League where it was clear SDSU was BY FAR the best team. Hell, they beat UNI (who was down but still) by 35 in Minneapolis. They played 1 bad game in the first game of the conference tournament and lost to 8 seed WIU. Their NCAA tournament hopes were instantly gone and they were something like 27-3 at that point.

Quit folding like a wet noodle in tournaments...that's one way. kwitcherbitchen

[clenz]

Quit folding like a wet noodle in tournaments...that's one way. kwitcherbitchen
UNI had an off day in the MVC tournament, it happens to teams over the course a season. It's dumb that it ends the chance of making the tournament because it happened the first weekend of march rather than the last weekend of February

UNI beat Drake twice during the season - including in Des Moines 5 days before the MVC tournament game. It took the worst shooting performance of the entire season from UNI and the best combined shooting day from Drake for their entire season to have that game go the way it did.

For UNI - or any team - to lose an NCAA tournament bid because there was that 1 off day after playing 30 games at the level that UNI played those 30 games is ****ing dumb.

You want an auto bid in the NCAA tournament? Be good enough to win your conference over the course of a season. If you want a conference tournament for the potential of a second bid or another reason, so be it.

[citdog]

UNI had an off day in the MVC tournament, it happens to teams over the course a season. It's dumb that it ends the chance of making the tournament because it happened the first weekend of march rather than the last weekend of February

UNI beat Drake twice during the season - including in Des Moines 5 days before the MVC tournament game. It took the worst shooting performance of the entire season from UNI and the best combined shooting day from Drake for their entire season to have that game go the way it did.

For UNI - or any team - to lose an NCAA tournament bid because there was that 1 off day after playing 30 games at the level that UNI played those 30 games is ****ing dumb.

You want an auto bid in the NCAA tournament? Be good enough to win your conference over the course of a season. If you want a conference tournament for the potential of a second bid or another reason, so be it.

So your team choked and the whole system should be changed because of it? Seems legit

[cx500d]

So your team choked and the whole system should be changed because of it? Seems legit

Sounds about right.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Never happen. Creativity be damned as the liberal media mob will be sending out their apparatchiks to put pressure on those who fail to follow the rules set forth by their leaders in the regime. Remember, these coastal elites and their highfalutin ilk view people in the Midwest as nothing more than Bible-thumping, gun loving, NASCAR watching, tobacco chewing, inbred hillbillies.


Can we keep the politics posts to that board?[



That is totally impossible given the current climate. Now, unless you want to fantasize about "this fall's match-ups" and "who is the greatest team of the 1940's" or other tripe, sure, but that is not reality because it is all going to fall back to the reality of the situation. Here is some reality for you.
https://www.chronicle.com/article/Loss-of-Sports-Spells-Trouble/248762?cid=wsinglestory_hp_1a

And where there are economics, there are politics. And where there is politics, there will be the media and their agenda. And yes, the coastal elites look at people from the midwest as nothing more than one big Jethro.


Where there is FCS Discussion there wil be zero f'n political crap. You are new so I will let this one go but do it again or keep arguing this point and I will take this particular board away from you and anyone else that offends that rule. It is widely known here, it is appreciated by most and that is why the users have tried to gently guide you in the correct direction here.

If you want to continue trying to be an ass on the matter I will be less gentle about it. No politics on the FCS boards.

One additional note. When you mess up the quote box fix it immediately because I'll just delete it if you don't and I see it. It ruins a thread when you peel off the bracket and mess the quote up.

[Derby City Duke]

I never understood the entire concept of a post season conf tournament. Why even play the season if you do that. And there have been lots of undeserving teams advance just because they were temporarily hot.

I'm not a big fan of the tourneys other than for the non-rev sports. Their season is either limited in # of games (lacrosse) or mostly done in multi-school events (golf and swimming/diving).

The thing is, the non-rev tournaments will be the first ones to go; the MAC is but the first.

For all the sports in the CAA, only MBB and WBB bring all the teams. Softball is 5, Field Hockey and Lacrosse are 4, and Baseball is 6. Prevents the bottom feeder from hitting that improbable streak. Only time in recent memory the #1 lost early in either MBB or WBB was when JMU's women lost their first game in spring 2019 -- lost 2 starters to injury (team's #1 (and conference POY) and #2 scorers) in the first minute of the game.

[Sader87]

Seriously, thinking there will be college football this year is the height of absurdity right now.....it sucks, but it it what it is right now....just think about the myriad of obstacles in playing this year.....hope I'm wrong on this but I don't see how I could be

[Go Green]

Georgetown looking to cut $50 milliion from budget...

https://www.thetelegraph.com/news/article/Georgetown-announces-budget-cuts-due-to-virus-15268492.php

[Mocs123]

I think we will have some sort of season, but I can almost guarantee that the SEC will have football in the fall. Teams may be quarantined and isolated, fans may not be in the stands, but there will be some sort of a football season or there will be rioting in the streets in the south.

To be honest, right or wrong, things appear to be going back to quasi normal here. Restaurants, and stores have re-opened, my kids sports teams resumed practice last week and there is talk of playing tournaments at the end of the month. My guess is we will see a spike in cases again, but it may not make a difference - people just seemed to have decided that they are done.

I had to physically go to my job location for April, but have been teleworking the past few weeks. It sounds like they have us planning to return in 4-6 weeks though honestly, though most of the year, 90% of my job can be done teleworking.

[WestCoastAggie]

I think we will have some sort of season, but I can almost guarantee that the SEC will have football in the fall. Teams may be quarantined and isolated, fans may not be in the stands, but there will be some sort of a football season or there will be rioting in the streets in the south.

To be honest, right or wrong, things appear to be going back to quasi normal here. Restaurants, and stores have re-opened, my kids sports teams resumed practice last week and there is talk of playing tournaments at the end of the month. My guess is we will see a spike in cases again, but it may not make a difference - people just seemed to have decided that they are done.

I had to physically go to my job location for April, but have been teleworking the past few weeks. It sounds like they have us planning to return in 4-6 weeks though honestly, though most of the year, 90% of my job can be done teleworking.

My company's offices in Brooklyn and Alpharetta are going to remain closed through June 30th it seems and most of us may not have to return to the office often after that.

[DFW HOYA]

West Virginia: in.

https://www.10tv.com/article/gordon-gee-vows-college-football-will-be-played-fall-2020-may

[FUBeAR]

This might be worth a watch...listen...read...whatever it is...

https://twitter.com/insidethencaa/status/1261007841676144642

[PaladinFan]

Maybe this has been discussed -

With a lot of conferences scaling back their post season tournaments, what are the odds the NCAA scales back the FCS playoffs? Of course, I've been in favor of putting the tournament field back to 16, eliminating byes, and seeding the top four teams.

The FCS tournament is unnecessarily large, has too many games, and requires a large numbers of people to move significant distances to play games.

[bonarae]

Maybe this has been discussed -

With a lot of conferences scaling back their post season tournaments, what are the odds the NCAA scales back the FCS playoffs? Of course, I've been in favor of putting the tournament field back to 16, eliminating byes, and seeding the top four teams.

The FCS tournament is unnecessarily large, has too many games, and requires a large numbers of people to move significant distances to play games.

I agree with scaling back the playoffs for the meantime. It has happened with D-II for quite some time now... xrulesx

[clenz]

https://twitter.com/WyattWheeler_NL/status/1261324787831517187

Excellent

[lionsrking2]

Maybe this has been discussed -

With a lot of conferences scaling back their post season tournaments, what are the odds the NCAA scales back the FCS playoffs? Of course, I've been in favor of putting the tournament field back to 16, eliminating byes, and seeding the top four teams.

The FCS tournament is unnecessarily large, has too many games, and requires a large numbers of people to move significant distances to play games.

I would have to think some adjustment to the playoffs is in the realm of discussion but I wouldn't scale back the number of teams. Perhaps a more regional format, similar to D-II is in order, but keep it at 24. Then again, it wouldn't surprise me if the playoffs are suspended entirely, at least for this year. It's one thing for individual institutions to make decisions to play games based on individual circumstances, and another for an NCAA sponsored tournament, and putting teams on airplanes. Plane trips are unavoidable whether it's an 8, 16, or 24 team format.

[Derby City Duke]

Maybe this has been discussed -

With a lot of conferences scaling back their post season tournaments, what are the odds the NCAA scales back the FCS playoffs? Of course, I've been in favor of putting the tournament field back to 16, eliminating byes, and seeding the top four teams.

The FCS tournament is unnecessarily large, has too many games, and requires a large numbers of people to move significant distances to play games.

Without modification of their by-laws, the minimum # of teams is 20.

It will be interesting to see what happens as we go further into the summer.

[dgtw]

If some schools don’t field a team this year, there may be fewer autobids.


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[JayJ79]

I would have to think some adjustment to the playoffs is in the realm of discussion but I wouldn't scale back the number of teams. Perhaps a more regional format, similar to D-II is in order, but keep it at 24. Then again, it wouldn't surprise me if the playoffs are suspended entirely, at least for this year. It's one thing for individual institutions to make decisions to play games based on individual circumstances, and another for an NCAA sponsored tournament, and putting teams on airplanes. Plane trips are unavoidable whether it's an 8, 16, or 24 team format.
why is putting teams on airplanes an issue? (other than the added cost)
being crammed together in a charter plane isn't really much different than being crammed together on a bus, or in practice, or during games.

[FUBeAR]

This might be worth a watch...listen...read...whatever it is...

https://twitter.com/insidethencaa/status/1261007841676144642
NCAA Football man said no need to make any decisions before mid-July

[mvfcfan]

https://twitter.com/WyattWheeler_NL/status/1261324787831517187

Excellent

I know UNI doesn't have baseball, although I wish they still did, but I probably wouldn't mind seeing that tournament go away. By the time you play the championship game you are playing scrub pitchers that would be lucky to see action in a mid week game. I'm a Sycamore fan and the only reason we won the MVC tournament last season was because our scrub pitchers were better than Dallas Baptist's.

I actually hate conference tournaments in general, and they should probably get rid of all of them other than Arch Madness (MVC). I'd even be for getting rid of St Louis other than the fact that the MVC probably makes quite a bit on it depending on who is playing on Saturday and Sunday. Unfortunately with Wichita and Creighton out of the picture; Bradley, SIU, and ILST are really the only three programs that bring a lot of fans when they make it that far. UNI and Drake are just too far away; and schools like INSU, Evansville, Valpo, and Loyola just don't have that many fans to begin with. Missouri State used to bring a lot of fans, but it seems like a lot of their fans have lost interest over the years. Murray State has a lot of fans, but the MVC already screwed that one up.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I would have to think some adjustment to the playoffs is in the realm of discussion but I wouldn't scale back the number of teams. Perhaps a more regional format, similar to D-II is in order, but keep it at 24. Then again, it wouldn't surprise me if the playoffs are suspended entirely, at least for this year. It's one thing for individual institutions to make decisions to play games based on individual circumstances, and another for an NCAA sponsored tournament, and putting teams on airplanes. Plane trips are unavoidable whether it's an 8, 16, or 24 team format.



No way to regionalization. Knock it down to 16 teams to cut costs.

Regionalization is total bull**it!

[Lehigh Engineer]

Funny.....I don't remember them lining up refrigeration trucks in NYC for the bodies of flu victims.


The goal of flattening the curve, for the thousandth time, wasto avoid swamping the health system. If we're now shifting the argument to"buying time" so we can develop a therapeutic or vaccine, let's saythat out loud -- and then let's hear some prospective timelines.

Because here's the problem: if we're just waiting for a deus ex machina whiletens of millions of people lose their jobs, and fall into poverty and despair,and we have no timeline, that's not a plan. That's just hope. And hope isn'ta plan.

[Lehigh Engineer]

Funny.....I don't remember them lining up refrigeration trucks in NYC for the bodies of flu victims.


The goal of flattening the curve, for the thousandth time, wasto avoid swamping the health system. If we're now shifting the argument to"buying time" so we can develop a therapeutic or vaccine, let's saythat out loud -- and then let's hear some prospective timelines.

Because here's the problem: if we're just waiting for a deus ex machina whiletens of millions of people lose their jobs, and fall into poverty and despair,and we have no timeline, that's not a plan. That's just hope. And hope isn'ta plan.

[Lehigh Engineer]

The evidence shows all ages are at risk with underlying health conditions, known and unknown, with a potential death sentence if infected. It’s not just your parents and grandparents at risk. Good to know who is willing to sacrifice their family, neighbors and friends. The almighty dollar and football, the religion of those who would exploit others. Amen.


Fact 1: Theoverwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk ofdying from COVID-19.
In New York City, an epicenter of the pandemic with more thanone-third of all U.S. deaths, the rate of death (https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page#download) for people 18 to 45 years old is0.01 percent, or 10 per 100,000 in the population. On the other hand, peopleaged 75 and over have a death rate 80 times that. For people under 18 yearsold, the rate of death is zero per 100,000. Of all fatal cases in New York state (https://covid19tracker.health.ny.gov/views/NYS-COVID19-Tracker/NYSDOHCOVID-19Tracker-Fatalities?%3Aembed=yes&%3Atoolbar=no&%3Atabs=n), two-thirds were in patients over 70years of age; more than 95 percent were over 50 years of age; and about 90percent of all fatal cases had an underlying illness. Of 6,570 confirmedCOVID-19 deaths fully investigated for underlying conditions to date, 6,520,or 99.2 percent (https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary-deaths-04192020-1.pdf), had an underlyingillness.
Fact 2: Protectingolder, at-risk people eliminates hospital overcrowding.
We can learn about hospital utilization from data from New York City (https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page#download), the hotbed ofCOVID-19 with more than 34,600 hospitalizations to date. For those under 18years of age, hospitalization from the virus is 0.01 percent, or 11 per 100,000people; for those 18 to 44 years old, hospitalization is 0.1 percent. Evenfor people ages 65 to 74, only 1.7 percent were hospitalized.
Fact 3: Vitalpopulation immunity is prevented by total isolation policies,prolonging the problem.
We know from decades of medical science that infection itselfallows people to generate an immune response — antibodies — so that theinfection is controlled throughout the population by “herd immunity (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1471490615002495?via%3Dihub).”
Fact 4: Peopleare dying because other medical care is not getting done due tohypothetical projections.
Critical health care for millions of Americans is being ignoredand people are dying to accommodate “potential” COVID-19 patients and for fearof spreading the disease. Most states (https://www.ascassociation.org/asca/resourcecenter/latestnewsresourcecenter/covid-19/covid-19-state) and many hospitalsabruptly stopped “nonessential” procedures and surgery (https://www.ascassociation.org/asca/aboutus/pressroom/press2020/covid-19-guidance-press). T
Fact 5: Wehave a clearly defined population at risk who can be protected withtargeted measures.
The overwhelming evidence all over the world consistently showsthat a clearly defined group — older people and others with underlyingconditions — is more likely to have a serious illness requiring hospitalizationand more likely to die from COVID-19. Knowing that, it is a commonsense,achievable goal to target isolation policy to that group, including strictlymonitoring those who interact with them. Nursing home residents, the highestrisk, should be the most straightforward to systematically protect frominfected people, given that they already live in confined places with highlyrestricted entry.

[Lehigh Engineer]

The evidence shows all ages are at risk with underlying health conditions, known and unknown, with a potential death sentence if infected. It’s not just your parents and grandparents at risk. Good to know who is willing to sacrifice their family, neighbors and friends. The almighty dollar and football, the religion of those who would exploit others. Amen.


Fact 1: Theoverwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk ofdying from COVID-19.
In New York City, an epicenter of the pandemic with more than one-third of all U.S. deaths, the rate of death (https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page#download) for people 18 to 45 years old is 0.01 percent, or 10 per 100,000 in the population. On the other hand, people aged 75 and over have a death rate 80 times that. For people under 18 years old, the rate of death is zero per 100,000. Of all fatal cases in New York state (https://covid19tracker.health.ny.gov/views/NYS-COVID19-Tracker/NYSDOHCOVID-19Tracker-Fatalities?%3Aembed=yes&%3Atoolbar=no&%3Atabs=n), two-thirds were in patients over 70 years of age; more than 95 percent were over 50 years of age; and about 90 percent of all fatal cases had an underlying illness. Of 6,570 confirmed COVID-19 deaths fully investigated for underlying conditions to date, 6,520,or 99.2 percent (https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary-deaths-04192020-1.pdf), had an underlying illness.
Fact 2: Protectingolder, at-risk people eliminates hospital overcrowding.
We can learn about hospital utilization from data from New York City (https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page#download), the hotbed ofCOVID-19 with more than 34,600 hospitalizations to date. For those under 18years of age, hospitalization from the virus is 0.01 percent, or 11 per 100,000people; for those 18 to 44 years old, hospitalization is 0.1 percent. Evenfor people ages 65 to 74, only 1.7 percent were hospitalized.
Fact 3: Vitalpopulation immunity is prevented by total isolation policies,prolonging the problem.
We know from decades of medical science that infection itselfallows people to generate an immune response — antibodies — so that theinfection is controlled throughout the population by “herd immunity (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1471490615002495?via%3Dihub).”
Fact 4: Peopleare dying because other medical care is not getting done due tohypothetical projections.
Critical health care for millions of Americans is being ignoredand people are dying to accommodate “potential” COVID-19 patients and for fearof spreading the disease. Most states (https://www.ascassociation.org/asca/resourcecenter/latestnewsresourcecenter/covid-19/covid-19-state) and many hospitalsabruptly stopped “nonessential” procedures and surgery (https://www.ascassociation.org/asca/aboutus/pressroom/press2020/covid-19-guidance-press). T
Fact 5: Wehave a clearly defined population at risk who can be protected withtargeted measures.
The overwhelming evidence all over the world consistently shows that a clearly defined group — older people and others with underlying conditions — is more likely to have a serious illness requiring hospitalization and more likely to die from COVID-19. Knowing that, it is a commonsense,achievable goal to target isolation policy to that group, including strictly monitoring those who interact with them. Nursing home residents, the highest risk, should be the most straightforward to systematically protect from infected people, given that they already live in confined places with highly restricted entry.Thought I'

Thought I'd share some reading...

[citdog]

le high engineer is the rare yankee that has any ability at all to think for himself or any respect for freedom or sovereignty. Mainejeff is more typical of that race of shopkeepers. One of the reasons it took 4 of them to whip one Confederate soldier.

[NY Crusader 2010]

The goal of flattening the curve, for the thousandth time, wasto avoid swamping the health system. If we're now shifting the argument to"buying time" so we can develop a therapeutic or vaccine, let's saythat out loud -- and then let's hear some prospective timelines.

Because here's the problem: if we're just waiting for a deus ex machina whiletens of millions of people lose their jobs, and fall into poverty and despair,and we have no timeline, that's not a plan. That's just hope. And hope isn'ta plan.

Nailed it. Flattening the curve has absolutely nothing to do with saving every possible human life or reducing the total number of cases. The idea was to spread the cases over a longer time period to ensure that those who get sick have an ICU bed available. It's ridiculous that the conversation has devolved into, "if you support re-opening the economy in any way, you want people to die". It IS possible to simultaneously take COVID seriously and be very concerned about government overreach. Somehow, certain groups don't find it plausible that individuals and business perhaps don't need government tyranny to "save them from themselves".

As much as facts may hurt people's feelings, public policy going back centuries has always taken into account an actuarial numerical value of a human life (on average, about $10 million in 2020 currency). This is why the speed limit on the interstate isn't 30mph. If this was the case, and states enforced mandatory minimum prison sentences for traveling more than 20mph over the limit, highway deaths would drastically decrease. The most at-risk age groups for highway deaths are in fact teenagers (who are dumb -- I remember, it hasn't been THAT long) and the elderly, who have slower reaction times. So by the logic of certain groups right now, if you don't support mandatory 30mph maximums on the interstate, YOU ARE KILLING GRANDMA. Of course, no one is advocating for such policy because we tolerate as a society a certain number of casualties in order to not strangle economic activity, which includes transportation of vital goods and personnel.

Also lost in the "lockdown" madness -- the loss of life caused by poverty resulting from prolonged economic shutdown. Unlike 2008 which was top-down, this recession is primarily affecting lower earners many of whom either have "non-essential" jobs where by nature remote employment is not an option. Funny how the same groups cheer-leading extended shutdowns also claim to be advocates of income equality and redistribution of wealth.

[POD Knows]

Nailed it. Flattening the curve has absolutely nothing to do with saving every possible human life or reducing the total number of cases. The idea was to spread the cases over a longer time period to ensure that those who get sick have an ICU bed available. It's ridiculous that the conversation has devolved into, "if you support re-opening the economy in any way, you want people to die". It IS possible to simultaneously take COVID seriously and be very concerned about government overreach. Somehow, certain groups don't find it plausible that individuals and business perhaps don't need government tyranny to "save them from themselves".

As much as facts may hurt people's feelings, public policy going back centuries has always taken into account an actuarial numerical value of a human life (on average, about $10 million in 2020 currency). This is why the speed limit on the interstate isn't 30mph. If this was the case, and states enforced mandatory minimum prison sentences for traveling more than 20mph over the limit, highway deaths would drastically decrease. The most at-risk age groups for highway deaths are in fact teenagers (who are dumb -- I remember, it hasn't been THAT long) and the elderly, who have slower reaction times. So by the logic of certain groups right now, if you don't support mandatory 30mph maximums on the interstate, YOU ARE KILLING GRANDMA. Of course, no one is advocating for such policy because we tolerate as a society a certain number of casualties in order to not strangle economic activity, which includes transportation of vital goods and personnel.

Also lost in the "lockdown" madness -- the loss of life caused by poverty resulting from prolonged economic shutdown. Unlike 2008 which was top-down, this recession is primarily affecting lower earners many of whom either have "non-essential" jobs where by nature remote employment is not an option. Funny how the same groups cheer-leading extended shutdowns also claim to be advocates of income equality and redistribution of wealth.
Great post, now, get ready for the thread police as they call you out for politics in a FCS thread. :D

[NY Crusader 2010]

Great post, now, get ready for the thread police as they call you out for politics in a FCS thread. :D

No politics whatsoever in my post, IMO. Others may disagree.

[POD Knows]

No politics whatsoever in my post, IMO. Others may disagree.All depends on your perspective, I thought it was a good post, others might read partisanship into it. You never know.

[ngineer]

I never understood the entire concept of a post season conf tournament. Why even play the season if you do that. And there have been lots of undeserving teams advance just because they were temporarily hot.

Only one concept: $,$$$,$$$.00's

[ngineer]

I received a lengthy report for our AD the other day advising that various options were still being discussed withing the Patriot League. Budgets are being chopped by 20-25%, and some schools may be more. Final determinations are expectec on June 15. However, NCAA has indicated that is considering bannng all athletics for any school that does not have its students on campus. If enforced, that would mean all the Cal State schools, i.e. Cal-Davis, etc., would be forfeiting their seasons. If some kind of season does appear, it will be reduced with limiting cross country travel to regions, no post season tournaments, etc. All schools anticipate a nice chunk of money from the NCAA through the mega deals with TV, which went by the wayside. If we are to have a season, it think it we might have to be happy with playing for a league championship and fewer OOC games.

[NY Crusader 2010]

Only one concept: $,$$$,$$$.00's

At the higher levels, yes. The P6 conference basketball tournaments are all about that, especially given that their top 4 or 5 teams area already locks for NCAA's. However, money is not the driving factor at the lower levels, especially when it comes to lesser-revenue or non-revenue sports.

I'm a fan of conference tournaments but I like games played at home sites to a) reward higher seeds, b) make the regular season mean more and c) give the conference the best opportunity to be represented by a formidable team. Otherwise, the only true advantage a 1 seed has over a 10 seed is that they don't have to play the good teams until later on.

The MAC announced it is CANCELLING conference tournaments for lesser-revenue sports because the conference tourney represents a COST as opposed to incremental REVENUE. Note that the MAC Men's Basketball tournament will continue to be held.

[cx500d]

Only one concept: $,$$$,$$$.00's
For post season tournaments, no more than 4 teams....yes, you miss the 7th place Cinderella team, but some measure of reward to the teams that excelled during the regular season. Make 1&2 seeds home games.

[DFW HOYA]

For post season tournaments, no more than 4 teams....yes, you miss the 7th place Cinderella team, but some measure of reward to the teams that excelled during the regular season. Make 1&2 seeds home games.

Conferences that provide home games (in any sport) instead of a tournament do so for a very obvious reason: they can't support a neutral site with its fan base.

[TheKingpin28]

Nailed it. Flattening the curve has absolutely nothing to do with saving every possible human life or reducing the total number of cases. The idea was to spread the cases over a longer time period to ensure that those who get sick have an ICU bed available. It's ridiculous that the conversation has devolved into, "if you support re-opening the economy in any way, you want people to die". It IS possible to simultaneously take COVID seriously and be very concerned about government overreach. Somehow, certain groups don't find it plausible that individuals and business perhaps don't need government tyranny to "save them from themselves".

As much as facts may hurt people's feelings, public policy going back centuries has always taken into account an actuarial numerical value of a human life (on average, about $10 million in 2020 currency). This is why the speed limit on the interstate isn't 30mph. If this was the case, and states enforced mandatory minimum prison sentences for traveling more than 20mph over the limit, highway deaths would drastically decrease. The most at-risk age groups for highway deaths are in fact teenagers (who are dumb -- I remember, it hasn't been THAT long) and the elderly, who have slower reaction times. So by the logic of certain groups right now, if you don't support mandatory 30mph maximums on the interstate, YOU ARE KILLING GRANDMA. Of course, no one is advocating for such policy because we tolerate as a society a certain number of casualties in order to not strangle economic activity, which includes transportation of vital goods and personnel.

Also lost in the "lockdown" madness -- the loss of life caused by poverty resulting from prolonged economic shutdown. Unlike 2008 which was top-down, this recession is primarily affecting lower earners many of whom either have "non-essential" jobs where by nature remote employment is not an option. Funny how the same groups cheer-leading extended shutdowns also claim to be advocates of income equality and redistribution of wealth.Well stated.

Life is not always exclusionary. One can exist while another runs concurrent to it. Another thought to add to this, is something that has been bothering me. Why are people so inclined to cancel events so far into the future when the evidence shows that "what is being said to us" is completely different than "what is happening to us"?

I've never understood why schools are canceling athletics when it is shown that as the days progress, we are moving further and further away from the problem. The cure cannot be worse than the disease. We cannot sacrifice all for the rights of the few. Ideally, those who cannot partake in society, will continue to do what they have been doing most of their life, isolating themselves from the rest of us, while those of us who are not compromised, will be able to move forward and start again.

I'd be shocked if football was completely canceled. I don't know how the SEC would go on without a season of football. The fans would be calling for the heads of the ADs and senior administration officials if their seasons are lost.



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[NY Crusader 2010]

I think signs are pointing further and further toward a shortened football season. Remember, even if campuses across the board open up in time for the fall semester, CAMP starts the first week of August. So if camp starts late, the season starts late.

We are already at the point where certain schools will be forfeiting the season (CSU schools).

[ursus arctos horribilis]

All depends on your perspective, I thought it was a good post, others might read partisanship into it. You never know.

You still whining Poddy? Looks good on ya.

[POD Knows]

You still whining Poddy? Looks good on ya.Not hardly, I will leave that to the lefties that that police the threads for poli speak, I was just giving a heads up to a guy that made a good point but a point that also had some pretty nice shade thrown on some of the doomsday folks.

Oops, just realized my post is political. :)

[TheKingpin28]

Not hardly, I will leave that to the lefties that that police the threads for poli speak, I was just giving a heads up to a guy that made a good point but a point that also had some pretty nice shade thrown on some of the doomsday folks.

Oops, just realized my post is political. :)I know that was not about me since it has been established that I am nowhere near the "left" on this board.

You need a Caesar's and a round of golf to get things back on track.

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[dgtw]

For post season tournaments, no more than 4 teams....yes, you miss the 7th place Cinderella team, but some measure of reward to the teams that excelled during the regular season. Make 1&2 seeds home games.

If you are only taking four have the top seed host the whole thing over a Friday and Saturday. If you do top eight have the top two host a four team bracket and then have the highest team left host the title game the next week.

Nobody should take more than eight no matter what conference it is. It is a waste of everyone’s time and money. A couple years ago Missouri was on probation so they couldn’t go to the postseason. So the SEC had a 12/13 game for its first round. I bet that drew big ratings.

If a coach gets canned because he isn’t making the conference tournament that’s his problem.


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[JacksFan40]

It’s one thing to cancel an FCS season, but good luck trying to cancel teams like LSU, and Alabama, football is a religion for them.

[DFW HOYA]

If you can play pro sports, college sports will follow.

https://twitter.com/ArashMarkazi/status/1262462556335042560 (https://twitter.com/ArashMarkazi/status/1262462556335042560)

[NY Crusader 2010]

If you can play pro sports, college sports will follow.

https://twitter.com/ArashMarkazi/status/1262462556335042560 (https://twitter.com/ArashMarkazi/status/1262462556335042560)

Looks to me like all signs are pointing to the return of professional sports across the board, even in states that have been hit hard by pandemic. Our governor here in NY announced today that he expects pro sports to return here this year (without fans) but no specific date.

I think we will definitely see a college football season of some form with either no fans or limited fans. The biggest obstacle for collegiate sports is the opening of campuses and the last-minute fire drill hodgepodge of getting schedules together. There will be LOTS of moving parts on that front.

[Laker]

I think signs are pointing further and further toward a shortened football season. Remember, even if campuses across the board open up in time for the fall semester, CAMP starts the first week of August. So if camp starts late, the season starts late.

We are already at the point where certain schools will be forfeiting the season (CSU schools).

Doesn't sound like Notre Dame plans a fall without football.

Notre Dame announces fall semester will begin Aug. 10, two weeks earlier than scheduled; will cancel fall break in October & end semester before Thanksgiving

[Laker]

Furman drops baseball and men's lacrosse.

https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/sports/2020/05/18/furman-university-cut-baseball-mens-lacrosse-programs/5216396002/

[citdog]

Furman drops baseball and men's lacrosse.

https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/sports/2020/05/18/furman-university-cut-baseball-mens-lacrosse-programs/5216396002/

Furman sucks

[PaladinFan]

Furman drops baseball and men's lacrosse.

https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/sports/2020/05/18/furman-university-cut-baseball-mens-lacrosse-programs/5216396002/

Apparently part of a long term plan that was expedited by the pandemic. Baseball, which has been associated with Furman for 125 years, is a tough loss. As best I can tell hardly anyone cared about lacrosse, which was added a few years ago.

According to the AD's letter, Furman has the third smallest enrollment of SoCon institutions, but sponsored the most sports and had the most scholarship athletes.

Unfortunately, I think we are seeing the beginning of what is going to be a difficult financial season for college athletics. I hate it for Furman, but I'm also glad that they made difficult decisions.

[citdog]

Apparently part of a long term plan that was expedited by the pandemic. Baseball, which has been associated with Furman for 125 years, is a tough loss. As best I can tell hardly anyone cared about lacrosse, which was added a few years ago.

According to the AD's letter, Furman has the third smallest enrollment of SoCon institutions, but sponsored the most sports and had the most scholarship athletes.

Unfortunately, I think we are seeing the beginning of what is going to be a difficult financial season for college athletics. I hate it for Furman, but I'm also glad that they made difficult decisions.

Then why bid on the SoCon baseball tourney? Why renovate the on campus baseball stadium. You can spin this any way you want but you can't get 5500 people in your football stadium unless you are playing a certain military school from Charleston. Football will be next and yet you'll still be funding wymmins golf, soccer, baskeball, and volleyball. Just so you can be woke.

[PaladinFan]

Then why bid on the SoCon baseball tourney? Why renovate the on campus baseball stadium. You can spin this any way you want but you can't get 5500 people in your football stadium unless you are playing a certain military school from Charleston. Football will be next and yet you'll still be funding wymmins golf, soccer, baskeball, and volleyball. Just so you can be woke.

This is the second D1 baseball program to shutter in a week and, I would guess, it won't be the last.

[Go Green]

I think signs are pointing further and further toward a shortened football season. Remember, even if campuses across the board open up in time for the fall semester, CAMP starts the first week of August. So if camp starts late, the season starts late.

We are already at the point where certain schools will be forfeiting the season (CSU schools).

The Dartmouth Football Blog says that Dartmouth (and other schools that eventually formed the Ivy League) played a shortened season in 1918 (Spanish flu) as well.

http://biggreenalertblog.blogspot.com/2020/05/the-last-time.html

[DFW HOYA]

Fewer games were also a function of World War I--fewer players in school.

[dgtw]

A seven game conference only season would probably thrill some of the Ivy elite.


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[dgtw]

This is the second D1 baseball program to shutter in a week and, I would guess, it won't be the last.

I saw in another forum that East Carolina will drop some sports but haven’t decided which ones.

Chicago State said they were going to drop baseball but that would mean they aren’t in compliance with NCAA regulations that say they have to sponsor two men’s team sports.


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[WestCoastAggie]

https://youtu.be/GxkY8WzjxjU

[citdog]

The Dartmouth Football Blog says that Dartmouth (and other schools that eventually formed the Ivy League) played a shortened season in 1918 (Spanish flu) as well.

http://biggreenalertblog.blogspot.com/2020/05/the-last-time.html

So just like any other season in the Poindexter League then?

[Go Green]

So just like any other season in the Poindexter League then?

Well, Dartmouth did play Syracuse that season. :)

[Professor Chaos]

A lot of momentum building amongst college football heavy hitters to have campuses open and football this fall. This article is tracking it real-time: https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/tracking-football-colleges-that-plan-to-be-open-in-the-fall/

So far here's the list of schools with intentions to return to students on campus in the fall: Alabama, Arizona, Arizona St, Arkansas, Austin Peay, Baylor, Georgia, Florida, Florida St, Illinois, Iowa, Iowa St, Kansas St, Kentucky, LSU, Memphis, Middle Tennessee, Mississippi St, Missouri, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Oregon, Purdue, Rice, Tennessee, TCU, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Virginia Tech, Washington St, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.

[CenMEBlackBearFan]

A lot of momentum building amongst college football heavy hitters to have campuses open and football this fall. This article is tracking it real-time: https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/tracking-football-colleges-that-plan-to-be-open-in-the-fall/

So far here's the list of schools with intentions to return to students on campus in the fall: Alabama, Arizona, Arizona St, Arkansas, Austin Peay, Baylor, Georgia, Florida, Florida St, Illinois, Iowa, Iowa St, Kansas St, Kentucky, LSU, Memphis, Middle Tennessee, Mississippi St, Missouri, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Oregon, Purdue, Rice, Tennessee, TCU, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Virginia Tech, Washington St, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.

This is great news. Would love to see the contingency plans when a team member gets a positive COVID-19 result which sure as hell will happen, unfortunately.

[Catbooster]

This is great news. Would love to see the contingency plans when a team member gets a positive COVID-19 result which sure as hell will happen, unfortunately.
Our AD was talking about a similar issue - usually position groups work together. If all of the QB's, OL, RB's, whatever are in workouts and meetings with each other and one catches it, you could lose your entire position group to quarantine for the next game or two. They are trying to come up with a plan to avoid this.

[DFW HOYA]

This is great news. Would love to see the contingency plans when a team member gets a positive COVID-19 result which sure as hell will happen, unfortunately.

Daily tests, quarantine, and if OK, rejoin the team in a few weeks. Given the random nature of infection, you can't assume someone is or is not symptomatic, but you're not shutting down the team as people fall ill.

Next man up.

[WestCoastAggie]

A lot of momentum building amongst college football heavy hitters to have campuses open and football this fall. This article is tracking it real-time: https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/tracking-football-colleges-that-plan-to-be-open-in-the-fall/

So far here's the list of schools with intentions to return to students on campus in the fall: Alabama, Arizona, Arizona St, Arkansas, Austin Peay, Baylor, Georgia, Florida, Florida St, Illinois, Iowa, Iowa St, Kansas St, Kentucky, LSU, Memphis, Middle Tennessee, Mississippi St, Missouri, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Oregon, Purdue, Rice, Tennessee, TCU, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Virginia Tech, Washington St, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.

A&T and FAMU are on pace to play this season also.

[bonarae]

Austin Peay as well, according to the FBS-oriented article.

[walliver]

I saw in another forum that East Carolina will drop some sports but haven’t decided which ones.

Chicago State said they were going to drop baseball but that would mean they aren’t in compliance with NCAA regulations that say they have to sponsor two men’s team sports.


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I doubt ECU's issues are actually COVID-related. It just makes for a good excuse.
The problem for ECU, and most of the G5 schools, is that they play in a geographically diverse conference with high travel expenses, and don't have the revenue the P5 have. SEC/ACC/B1G/PAC-12 and even B12 schools, have enough TV money from football to fly their non-revenue sports around.
The G5 model is trouble. Schools are sacrificing and still spending lots of money to fly around their non-revenue sports just for the sake of claiming they play "big boy football". ECU has decided that being a "P6" school is important enough to sacrifice the rest of their athletic program.

[PaladinFan]

I doubt ECU's issues are actually COVID-related. It just makes for a good excuse.
The problem for ECU, and most of the G5 schools, is that they play in a geographically diverse conference with high travel expenses, and don't have the revenue the P5 have. SEC/ACC/B1G/PAC-12 and even B12 schools, have enough TV money from football to fly their non-revenue sports around.
The G5 model is trouble. Schools are sacrificing and still spending lots of money to fly around their non-revenue sports just for the sake of claiming they play "big boy football". ECU has decided that being a "P6" school is important enough to sacrifice the rest of their athletic program.

My read is that schools are having these conversations already and the pandemic has just expedited them.

[UAalum72]

Sources: NCAA approves voluntary activities for football, basketball starting June 1
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-ncaa-division-i-council-approves-voluntary-activities-for-football-basketball-starting-june-1-195534765.html

[favorite football fan]

A lot of momentum building amongst college football heavy hitters to have campuses open and football this fall. This article is tracking it real-time: https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/tracking-football-colleges-that-plan-to-be-open-in-the-fall/

So far here's the list of schools with intentions to return to students on campus in the fall: Alabama, Arizona, Arizona St, Arkansas, Austin Peay, Baylor, Georgia, Florida, Florida St, Illinois, Iowa, Iowa St, Kansas St, Kentucky, LSU, Memphis, Middle Tennessee, Mississippi St, Missouri, North Carolina, North Carolina St, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Oregon, Purdue, Rice, Tennessee, TCU, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Virginia Tech, Washington St, West Virginia, and Wisconsin.

Not to burst anyone's bubble here or dash any hopes or put in "political comments" (which I do not see here except for simply telling what is really going on, that I was scolded on and admonished for, but there is a lot more to this than meets the eye on announcements of re-opening in the fall and having football. I suppose I will be banned simply by putting up a contrary view of "hope for fall football" and that the moderator of this forum will not tolerate anyone who goes against the prevailing attitude of "foo-ball, wet's pway".

Look, I want to get back on campus just as much as the next guy and I too want to see a full slate of football. A lot of this depends on each state governor and how they are going to proceed. I still believe it will "all or none" in playing in the fall and opening up in the fall with full classes face-to-face in lecture halls. If one school opens up their campus to students, then all of them will because the pressure will be too immense to handle scrutiny. And the scrutiny of opening too soon as well as the scrutiny of "are you sure?". The default position will be to cancel the season and not re-open campuses but you have to give what I will point out below from an opinion piece, is sheer optimism and hope. I go back to what Emmert said earlier:https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/29152467/ncaa-mark-emmert-says-fall-sports-likely-no-go-campuses-open

"All of the commissioners and every president that I've talked to is in clear agreement: If you don't have students on campus, you don't have student-athletes on campus," Emmert said. "That doesn't mean [the school] has to be up and running in the full normal model, but you have to treat the health and well-being of the athletes at least as much as the regular students. ... If a school doesn't reopen, then they're not going to be playing sports. It's really that simple."

So really a president or school can announce that they will be operating with an open campus and on-time but that remains to be seen. If you read the announcements, some of them are "hedging their bets" with comments like “under the best case scenario”; look at what was said with Arkansas:
“There is one plan that would have our student-athletes return to campus for official team activities around July 15, to hit the target of an on-time, September 5 start to football season.” If there is one plan, there is a back-up plan being formulated.

But let's go through a partial list and look at the tea leaves.
Alabama: our plans and it’s a high bar and anticipates that we will be able to meet that
Arkansas: There is one plan that would have our student-athletes return
Georgia: we hope that we’ll have our players here
Florida: we will be mindful that a healthy campus environment and academic rigor remain paramount

I think you get the picture here. Yet, a couple of schools are suggesting like Texas A&M University System Chancellor John Sharp told all 11 university presidents in the system that they will reopen their campuses next school year and be ready to play sports. But this is bold and can change at any minute as they can easily say "while were in high hopes of opening up in the fall and playing a full schedule, the situation has evolved to alter those plans. While it is unfortunate that our current students will have to learn in a virtual environment we have determined that the health of our student body, and this includes athletics, takes precedence."

As we have seen, there is talk of a second wave of this thing and no president of any college wants to be "on the hook" if a student gets sick or faculty/staff member gets sick and dies or gets disabled from it due to some lung condition that affected their ability to do their job reasonably who is in a high risk group; And what faculty member, already in fear of potentially losing their job will not come back to campus if instructed to by the Academic VP (Provost) and Dean of their college? Thus, the threat of lawsuits is quite possible as their is an ambulance chaser just around the corner. And if the suit is dismissed you still used valuable financial resources just fighting it alone. Presidents of universities are risk adverse. Any one can say they are will be open but that can change quite quickly. I predict it will be around the time that they have enough enrollment numbers to justify their budget. Also, the idea of having semester end at Thanksgiving is silly because I was unaware that a virus conforms to a timeline. What if a group of students come down with the virus two weeks before the Thanksgiving break? Whoops. Clear out the dorms!!!!

What if a student-athlete gets tested positive for it? The whole thing is going to be shut down because anyone who was possibly exposed will have to self-quarantine for 14 days. The idea that "oh, you have it? just go to your dorm for 14 days, next man up" is ludicrous. Why? Because going to the dorm will expose all those other students as well. Do you all remember the pro basketball player who got it? They all scrambled to see who else was infected. You would have to test 2 or 3 times a day and that will take time (as well as cost) to get the results back.

Here is something about the cost.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/08/cheap-rapid-at-home-testing-for-covid-19-could-take-weeks-or-months.html
It could take weeks/months to develop a cheap rapid test.

This is from the CDC:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/symptoms-testing/testing.html
An antibody test may not be able to show if you have a current infection, because it can take 1-3 weeks after infection to make antibodies. Although supplies of tests are increasing, it may still be difficult to find a place to get tested.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus-testing#1 (https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus-testing#1)
It may take a lab about 24 hours to run your test. But you might not get your results for several days. Future tests might be faster.

And what university has this disposable cash on hand to test all these students let alone football players and other student athletes? Increase the student fee? Increase the student fee for benefit of the football team but not the other students? This would be giving a benefit to student-athletes that other students would not be able to receive. Sure, you can make the argument that student-athletes have special privileges that other students do not, but in this case, it is going to be a really hard sell.

Also, universities and colleges are making drastic cuts. Missouri Western (D2) and University of Arkansas-Little Rock (Sun Belt) have announced a number of layoffs of tenured faculty members.We have seen that there are head coaches of P5 schools taking 10% cuts in pay. Now, does this sound like they are really planning on being open in the fall? Of course, this virus has given many an administrator the pre-text to do what they have been thinking about for some time and finally had a reasonable excuse to make these cuts. Remember, these college football players are students just like the rest of the student body. If the football team comes back and practices, who to say that the band, the cheerleaders, the basketball team, the volleyball team, the concert choir, the student managers cannot come back as well? I have made this argument before but I do not think some people actually get that.

But let's say that only the football team can come back and play in an empty stadium such that has been proposed here while the student body has to do everything remotely. What if one or two players, in a contest get the virus and test positive? That means that the current team AND the opposing team are all exposed to it.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/Colleges-Aren-t-Reopening-in/248803?cid=wsinglestory_hp_1a (https://www.chronicle.com/article/Colleges-Aren-t-Reopening-in/248803?cid=wsinglestory_hp_1a)
From the article: Reasons to suggest that you are going to be open in the fall.
1. To keep students enrolled. 2. Political posturing. 3. Sheer optimism.
Nobody wants to be among the first presidents to announce that classes will be fully online in the fall. The financial and political risks can't be ignored. But the scenario is almost a certainty, and the risks will be even greater for colleges that take too long to prepare for it.


And I said this earlier in my short tenure here to one person's compliment, this is no different that going to a nudist colony: its sounds like a great idea until you actually get there. And really folks, the devil is always in the details. Do not use a car race at Darlington or a cricket match in the some remote island in the Pacific as your hope for having football in the fall or anyone's speculation. Until we see actual bodies on campus, in football pads, we will know and this will be a sign that campus' will be open and student's are roaming around doing the things that students do, you know, like cutting class and partying and yes, going to football games on Saturday. Until then, it is all hope and speculation. When a president of a college stands up and welcomes the incoming class of freshmen during orientation week we will know. But right now, a lot of plans of big things to come but very little details about contingency plans, are appearing.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/The-Hard-Truth-About-the-Fall/248793?cid=wcontentlist_hp_5
From the article: As I observe the various decisions that colleges are making with regard to this fall — according to a Chronicle tally (https://www.chronicle.com/article/Here-s-a-List-of-Colleges-/248626), a vast majority are planning for a semester in person — I’m skeptical that those decisions will hold up when the start of classes is imminent and there still is no vaccine or widespread testing. What interests will colleges choose to serve? Will it be the health of students and staff? Or will institutional and financial concerns rule the day? ...because Covid-19 is transmitted mainly through close contact, it would be unwise to bring students and staff back to campuses until we have a vaccine and can do widespread testing. To do so without either constitutes unsafe and potentially deadly behavior.

Before I get officially banned from this site because I am a party-pooper (I didn't see anything political here just reality of the situation under the topic heading of "no more 2020 football season?" but that is like art, it is in the eye of the beholder), I will know football is going to be played when I see football players on campus with the rest of the student body and you will know that too when it occurs. Then you can start talking about your regional match-ups and who is in line for the POY award.

[DFW HOYA]

...because Covid-19 is transmitted mainly through close contact, it would be unwise to bring students and staff back to campuses until we have a vaccine and can do widespread testing. To do so without either constitutes unsafe and potentially deadly behavior.

If a vaccine is 8, 10 years away, then what? Close thousands of campuses and bankrupt them in the process?

[favorite football fan]

If a vaccine is 8, 10 years away, then what? Close thousands of campuses and bankrupt them in the process?

And this is the struggle that is wrapping itself around many an administrator as we speak. We do know that more than a number of small schools will close because of this and we have seen this happen but their problems were in spite of this, not because of this. But this is the gamble that many are having to discuss. Once people have rationalized a risk-benefit ratio that they can live with and can justify, then things will start to happen. But many are listening to their legal departments and working from there.

Right now, we have many people in this country that are becoming "hysterical hypochondriacs" and "obsessive-compulsive germ-phobics."

[favorite football fan]

Sources: NCAA approves voluntary activities for football, basketball starting June 1


https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-ncaa-division-i-council-approves-voluntary-activities-for-football-basketball-starting-june-1-195534765.html

If one reads the article, here is the situation.
This doesn’t necessarily mean a rush back to campus for those three sports, as those decisions will be made in concert with state government, local government, conference and university officials. But the NCAA Division I Council’s vote on Wednesday afternoon marks a significant step – both symbolically and in process – for the possibility of college football and other sports returning in the fall.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Not to burst anyone's bubble here or dash any hopes or put in "political comments" (which I do not see here except for simply telling what is really going on, that I was scolded on and admonished for, but there is a lot more to this than meets the eye on announcements of re-opening in the fall and having football. I suppose I will be banned simply by putting up a contrary view of "hope for fall football" and that the moderator of this forum will not tolerate anyone who goes against the prevailing attitude of "foo-ball, wet's pway".
.................................................. ............

Before I get officially banned from this site because I am a party-pooper (I didn't see anything political here just reality of the situation under the topic heading of "no more 2020 football season?" but that is like art, it is in the eye of the beholder), I will know football is going to be played when I see football players on campus with the rest of the student body and you will know that too when it occurs. Then you can start talking about your regional match-ups and who is in line for the POY award.

You really misread what I said to you and what it had to do with. I have zero problem with this post above. I shortened it but it is a solid piece of work even if it is lengthy. FWIW, I agree with the vast majority of it because I can't figure out how it can be pulled off either at this point...so you missed on that being the reason I jumped on you too. I was specific in that the political parts are not allowed on the FCS board, they haven't been for years. Doesn't mean a couple have not slipped by of course but things like this will quickly turn a good FCS related discussion...


Never happen. Creativity be damned as the liberal media mob will be sending out their apparatchiks to put pressure on those who fail to follow the rules set forth by their leaders in the regime. Remember, these coastal elites and their highfalutin ilk view people in the Midwest as nothing more than Bible-thumping, gun loving, NASCAR watching, tobacco chewing, inbred hillbillies.


heehehheheheee....democrats......Mercedes Marxists....limousine liberals......*snicker* U-haul will do a booming business there very soon.

...into the extremely stupid pissing matches on the poli board. You are not getting banned for anything, i was stating that if you can't keep the polit stuff off the FCS portion of this board then I will take that FCS portion of the board away until we see eye to eye on what goes here. Make all the good arguments you want to and take any perspective that suits you but leave the "Libtard" type of **** completely out of the posts on the FCS board and we will have that problem taken care of.

That was a good post though just so I am completely clear on it.xthumbsupx

[favorite football fan]

You really misread what I said to you and what it had to do with. I was specific in that the political parts are not allowed on the FCS board, they haven't been for years. Doesn't mean a couple have not slipped by of course but things like this will quickly turn a good FCS related discussion......into the extremely stupid pissing matches on the poli board. You are not getting banned for anything, i was stating that if you can't keep the polit stuff off the FCS portion of this board then I will take that FCS portion of the board away until we see eye to eye on what goes here. Make all the good arguments you want to and take any perspective that suits you but leave the "Libtard" type of **** completely out of the posts on the FCS board and we will have that problem taken care of.That was a good post though just so I am completely clear on it.xthumbsupx

I know exactly what you were referring to and misread nothing in actuality, I just did not want to mention those things that I was admonished/scolded/reprimanded/rebuked/chided/berated for specifically but then again, you never know in a such a climate dominated by some people and what all they will and will not tolerate. And in reality, some of my comments and links could have been construed as political and/or economic by just the right amount of neck twisting.

And yes, I am guilty of such that you mentioned; full admitted to/take responsibility for/wish to confess my sins/ask for repentance/pray to God and hope to die (which is, in my opinion, more than most folks will do) and will go on the apology tour if need be.

[unknown3]

Unless you're p5, it'd likely be cheaper to just ditch football than to actually attempt to daily test an entire football team. Honestly, the whole thing is almost a joke because it's inevitable that many of these kids will get infected. And when they do, it's going to just end in another shutdown just like it did for the nba. It's going to be a liability for the schools, many parents are going to be ok with it and there will end up being lawsuits out of the ass when the inevitable happens.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Unless you're p5, it'd likely be cheaper to just ditch football than to actually attempt to daily test an entire football team. Honestly, the whole thing is almost a joke because it's inevitable that many of these kids will get infected. And when they do, it's going to just end in another shutdown just like it did for the nba. It's going to be a liability for the schools, many parents are going to be ok with it and there will end up being lawsuits out of the ass when the inevitable happens.

Easy fix to this issue. Have a liability waiver that kids and parents sign. If you refuse then the kid does not play. To play you give up the right to sue. If a few players don't play then fine but it would not be many who would refuse to give up the right to sue.

[favorite football fan]

Unless you're p5, it'd likely be cheaper to just ditch football than to actually attempt to daily test an entire football team. Honestly, the whole thing is almost a joke because it's inevitable that many of these kids will get infected. And when they do, it's going to just end in another shutdown just like it did for the nba. It's going to be a liability for the schools, many parents are going to be ok with it and there will end up being lawsuits out of the ass when the inevitable happens.

Precisely; even the P5's will not want to do ditch football all together, just suspend it for a year. Look, it's simple.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/20/ford-closes-chicago-plant-after-two-workers-test-positive-for-covid-19.html
From the article: Ford Motor (https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/?symbol=F) closedand then reopened its Chicago Assembly plant twicein less than 24 hours after two workers tested positive for Covid-19 (https://www.cnbc.com/coronavirus/), the company confirmed Wednesday.

From the article: Ford, in separate statements, said the workers at the both plants are being asked to self-quarantine for 14 days. Their work areas also were deep cleaned and disinfected, according to the company.

Can anyone imagine the University of Alabama having to "shut down football practice" for two days because one of their FB players tested positive for the virus? And the DEEP CLEAN the entire locker room? and weight room? the football meeting rooms? the training table? the training room?

And here is the kicker from the article: “The safety of our workforce is our top priority,” Ford said regarding the Chicago employees. “When two employees who returned to work this week tested positive for Covid-19, we immediately notified people known to have been in close contact with the infected individuals and asked them to self-quarantine for 14 days.” It released a similar statement regarding the Michigan plant."

Yup, close contact; forget about those football meeting rooms by position group because these position groups are not practicing by themselves and they do have to all play together. Oh yeah, next man up. Sure. The next man up was in close contact to the person infected IN THE LOCKER ROOM. In fact, the entire team and coaches were in "close contact". They would all have to "self-quarantine". Oh sure, Saban is going to tolerate that if he is preparing a game against USC on Sept 5, 2020 in Arlington if California opens up.

And someone here mentioned in another thread or here (I lost track) but mentioned that they can play games in a stadium in another state or the four corners states. What foolish thinking. Like a virus does not affect anyone if you are at 3000 feet above sea level. What great way for a virus to spread, wonderful vector of spread there potentially. And did anyone think of the scheduling difficulties and the cost to travel AND the time to practice? You know, these student-athletes do have to go back home and cannot stay there indefinitely just for games. Total foolishness.

I can just see the headlines: The University of Florida is staying in Jackson Hole, WY to prepare for their game against the State University of Mississippi who are currently staying in Mike Leach's old stomping grounds of Cody, WY. The game will be played at the Cody HS football field where no fans will be allowed because we know no one can get there as GPS units do not have up-to-date maps of that region AND we all know that the virus does not cross state lines as a virus doesn't want anything to do with Wyoming. ESPN is contracting a local TV station to set up the game with their one TV camera-man set up at the top of the announcer's booth and will be joined by a live Zoom meeting of Game Day where Lee Corso is at his kitchen table and Kirk Herbstreit is in his living room with Reece Davis somewhere in his bedroom because the computer reception is better there.

Look, I understand that everyone here has a plan, an opinion, and hoping against all hope that there is some type of way to get this football season going. I get that. However, some people are looking for anything from anyone no different than John Cleese in the Life of Brian when he comes up to Brian and says "you are the Messiah" with Brian saying "I am not the Messiah" with Cleese responding "I say You are, Lord, and I should know. I've followed a few."

And we are all like the lady in the Life of Brian who finds Brian's shoe:
ARTHUR: He has given us a sign!
FOLLOWER: Oh!
SHOE FOLLOWER: He has given us... His shoe!
ARTHUR: The shoe is the sign. Let us follow His example.

We are ALL looking for "the sign" to follow and once we have it, we will rejoice in gladness until someone finds the Follow the Gourd! The Holy Gourd of Jerusalem!

[lionsrking2]

Easy fix to this issue. Have a liability waiver that kids and parents sign. If you refuse then the kid does not play. To play you give up the right to sue. If a few players don't play then fine but it would not be many who would refuse to give up the right to sue.

I'm not an attorney but my understanding is liability waivers are not enforceable in all states. For sure not in Louisiana.

[WestCoastAggie]

If a vaccine is 8, 10 years away, then what? Close thousands of campuses and bankrupt them in the process?

The college system in America is a vastly broken system that requires many to go into major debt loads to matriculate and earn a degree.

[Professor Chaos]

On the topic of COVID's risk to college students and student-athletes:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYeP5BmXkAMOJ1Y?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

Source: https://freopp.org/a-new-strategy-for-bringing-people-back-to-work-during-covid-19-a912247f1ab5

[WestCoastAggie]

On the topic of COVID's risk to college students and student-athletes:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYeP5BmXkAMOJ1Y?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

Source: https://freopp.org/a-new-strategy-for-bringing-people-back-to-work-during-covid-19-a912247f1ab5

We still are learning how devastating this virus can be. We just learned a few weeks ago about how the virus can cause a Kawasaki Disease like disorder in children.

[Professor Chaos]

We still are learning how devastating this virus can be. We just learned a few weeks ago about how the virus can cause a Kawasaki Disease like disorder in children.
Well, half of the kids who were being treated for the Kawasaki disease like disorder in NY tested negative for COVID and of that half that tested negative some didn't even have antibodies.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

We still are learning how devastating this virus can be. We just learned a few weeks ago about how the virus can cause a Kawasaki Disease like disorder in children.



Devastating? Under what definition?

This virus as hit the US the hardest. Why? Because Americans are unfit slobs that do not take care of themselves, poor eating habits and sedentary lifestyle??

To me if this was "devastating" millions would be dying all over the globe.

Just like throughout human history....the fit and healthy are better able to weather/adapt/survive these things.

[smallcollegefbfan]

I'm not an attorney but my understanding is liability waivers are not enforceable in all states. For sure not in Louisiana.

Death would be the only reason to sue. I would imagine the school would take care of any player who gets it. Liberty's WR who just got drafted got it back in March and was fine. I think these players for the most part would have no symptoms or would be fine. The WR was actually well before it was even reported he had it.

[DFW HOYA]

On the topic of COVID's risk to college students and student-athletes:


Except that the risk to 18-24 year olds to die of influenza is minimal and not a good comparison. Conversely, the risk 75+ is much greater.

[Professor Chaos]

Except that the risk to 18-24 year olds to die of influenza is minimal and not a good comparison. Conversely, the risk 75+ is much greater.
The risk of 18-24 year olds to die of influenza is minimal. Yet based on the data so far it's higher than the risk of 18-24 year olds to die from COVID. You are correct that COVID is more dangerous than influenza in older adults.

[lionsrking2]

Death would be the only reason to sue. I would imagine the school would take care of any player who gets it. Liberty's WR who just got drafted got it back in March and was fine. I think these players for the most part would have no symptoms or would be fine. The WR was actually well before it was even reported he had it.

Not necessarily. There can be residual impacts beyond death related to COVID-19, that have shown up in all age groups. Just because one recovers from the virus, some are developing lasting impacts to the heart, lungs, kidneys, liver, etc. There's a lot that's still unknown. From what we do know at the moment, percentages are extremely low in the traditional college age group, and probably less with high level athletes, but it only takes a couple of bad outcomes. Additionally, college age kids are notorious super spreaders, and while they may recover or not develop symptoms, they can still spread virus to more at-risk groups. We can bury our heads and pretend it'll go away, but whatever negative impacts arise will have to be dealt with whether we believe they'll happen or not. Hopefully insurance will cover any and all COVID issues that arise with student-athletes, and schools assume some of the risk, but will they? I think we know that answer.

[veinup]

governor here in idaho said yesterday that “we can play the games” (referring to BSU games, likely without fans). he referred to how important the ESPN money was to the university.


FCS is a different case i suppose.

i hope football comes back, i can only watch so many 90s bulls playoff games...

[lionsrking2]

Well, half of the kids who were being treated for the Kawasaki disease like disorder in NY tested negative for COVID and of that half that tested negative some didn't even have antibodies.

NY numbers now at 157 with 90% of presenting children testing positive for COVID. Cases now showing up in 25 states. Doesn't sound like anyone knows what's causing it but there seems to be an obvious link emerging. Either that or an extreme coincidence.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/new-york-investigating-157-cases-of-pediatric-covid-illness-mis-c-cuomo-says/2426986/
https://www.newsweek.com/cdc-says-children-rare-inflammatory-syndrome-mis-c-may-asymptomatic-coronavirus-1504832
https://myfox8.com/news/coronavirus/nc-announces-first-reported-case-of-mis-c-in-a-child-associated-with-covid-19/
https://wjla.com/news/local/childrens-hospital-reports-22-cases-of-mis-c
https://www.indystar.com/story/news/health/2020/05/18/indiana-coronavirus-state-gets-first-case-mysterious-mis-c-illness/5216303002/
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/kids-misc-covid-19-cook-childrens/287-51e0a275-0daa-4765-86a1-fa7533e6850b
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/21/misc-c-kawasaki-coronavirus-young-adults/

[Go Green]

i hope football comes back, i can only watch so many 90s bulls playoff games...

I take it that Korean baseball isn't doing it for you?

:)

[FUBeAR]

https://www.macon.com/sports/college/mercer-university/article242865406.html

It’s a ‘tough situation,’ but Jim Cole optimistic as Mercer plans for football season

“We’re planning to play football unless somebody tells us otherwise,” Cole said in an interview with The Telegraph, who added those goals are in lockstep with the mission outlined by university president William Underwood.

Cole dedicates a large chunk of his time planning for an altered look inside Five Star Stadium, scheduled to begin Sept. 12 against Western Carolina. His focus remains on optimizing spaced-out seating arrangements for social distancing, exchange of money and tickets, and a safe concession setup based on guidelines set at the state and local levels.”

[lionsrking2]

Hopefully this is a good sign ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYk1LQVWkAA08rF?format=jpg&name=large

[ngineer]

I take it that Korean baseball isn't doing it for you?

:)

Just the 'dolls' in the stands!

[Outsider1]

Hopefully this is a good sign ...




I would love for us to schedule Tulane. It's a 2nd alma for me and would absolutely enjoy a weekend in NO to see the game....

[caribbeanhen]

I take it that Korean baseball isn't doing it for you?

:)

Korean Baseball? What channel...

[favorite football fan]

Hopefully this is a good sign ...


https://media.giphy.com/media/hNmaZtvOzG1pe/giphy.gif

[bonarae]

Update:

NCAA allows schools to resume athletic activities for ALL sports, not just football, starting next Monday, June 1.

https://247sports.com/college/kentucky/Article/NCAA-approves-athletic-activities-to-resume-in-all-sports-coronavirus-pandemic-147426205/ (https://247sports.com/college/kentucky/Article/NCAA-approves-athletic-activities-to-resume-in-all-sports-coronavirus-pandemic-147426205/?fbclid=IwAR32MHd3JjpReyNEgVkH3DyFBNFK_5E4oIFUaiqL K4DN_ulgNdUiCiey7eM)

[Go Green]

Manning Passing Academy canceled. Was scheduled for late June.

:(

https://www.nola.com/sports/high_schools/article_901dc480-9f04-11ea-8176-ff3c5ae68620.html

[Rjones61]

EWU athletics is already in terrible financial trouble. If we dont play this year, there's a very real risk that our program folds. The current administration doesnt value football in the least.

[citdog]

EWU athletics is already in terrible financial trouble. If we dont play this year, there's a very real risk that our program folds. The current administration doesnt value football in the least.

Muh new turf though....

[Laker]

EWU athletics is already in terrible financial trouble. If we dont play this year, there's a very real risk that our program folds. The current administration doesnt value football in the least.

Why is this? The same was true with Western Washington with dropping football. Humboldt State dropped football last year- they had been a playoff team and seemed to have decent crowds. Is this a culture thing?

[JayJ79]

EWU athletics is already in terrible financial trouble. If we dont play this year, there's a very real risk that our program folds. The current administration doesnt value football in the least.
karmic retribution for installing that hideous turf

[Rjones61]

karmic retribution for installing that hideous turf

Speak not ill of the beauty that is the inferno!

[Rjones61]

Why is this? The same was true with Western Washington with dropping football. Humboldt State dropped football last year- they had been a playoff team and seemed to have decent crowds. Is this a culture thing?

I don't know. The previous president was all about athletics and culture and was a fabulous leader. Our enrollment skyrocketed and EWU had more money than they knew what to do with.

After he retired, we took on Mary Cullinan, who has a reputation for driving schools into bankruptcy. Enrollment is down and the athletic department is really struggling. They had a press release or something similar a year ago which they tried to make the case that football makes no positive impact on EWU enrollment or academics. Ouch.

[Sader87]

FCS football is a pretty costly endeavor. I think a fair amount of schools at this level are at the very least going to start looking into whether or not it's a worthwhile affair sadly.

[DFW HOYA]

FCS football is a pretty costly endeavor. I think a fair amount of schools at this level are at the very least going to start looking into whether or not it's a worthwhile affair sadly.

Who? At this point, other than the lower end of the Pioneer I think schools know the cost and the commitment.

[Sader87]

Who? At this point, other than the lower end of the Pioneer I think schools know the cost and the commitment.

Pre-Covid, maybe.... but I think we are going to see (and already are) some "belt-tightening" at a lot of schools across the country moving forward....FCS football, which is very costly and in some places may not be seen as worth the investment, will be an inviting target in a fair amount of places imo....hope I'm wrong.

[Bisonator]

NDSU is starting on campus voluntary workouts for FB next week 6/1.

[Go Green]

but I think we are going to see (and already are) some "belt-tightening" at a lot of schools across the country moving forward.....

Brown just announced the elimination of a bunch of varsity sports.

https://brownbears.com/news/2020/5/28/general-new-initiative-to-reshape-improve-competitiveness-in-brown-varsity-and-club-athletics.aspx

Be careful reading the announcement. So much spin there that you might get whiplash...

[bonarae]

Uh oh. COVID-19 cases are also on the rise among student-athletes... xsmhx

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/us/universities-athletic-programs-coronavirus/index.html

[Laker]

Brown just announced the elimination of a bunch of varsity sports.

https://brownbears.com/news/2020/5/28/general-new-initiative-to-reshape-improve-competitiveness-in-brown-varsity-and-club-athletics.aspx

Be careful reading the announcement. So much spin there that you might get whiplash...


They have now backtracked on dropping track and cross country.

https://www.providencejournal.com/sports/20200609/brown-reinstates-menrsquos-track--field-cross-country-to-varsity-status

[Bisonator]

Uh oh. COVID-19 cases are also on the rise among student-athletes... xsmhx

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/us/universities-athletic-programs-coronavirus/index.html

There is bound to be positives when they start testing. Everyone is going to get it eventually. Nothing shocking here really.

[Professor Chaos]

NCAA Oversight Committee passes a timeline for college football teams to return to organized team activities: https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/college-footballs-return-takes-big-step-forward-with-oversight-committee-ruling-213307635.html

Essentially organized team activities start on 7/6 for teams starting week 0 and 7/13 for teams starting Labor Day weekend.

[WestCoastAggie]

Hampton is dropping Men’s and Women’s Golf unless they raise 300K asap.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Brown just announced the elimination of a bunch of varsity sports.

https://brownbears.com/news/2020/5/28/general-new-initiative-to-reshape-improve-competitiveness-in-brown-varsity-and-club-athletics.aspx

Be careful reading the announcement. So much spin there that you might get whiplash...


Like most Ivys .. doesn't Brown have like 35-40 varsity sports ?

[DFW HOYA]

Like most Ivys .. doesn't Brown have like 35-40 varsity sports ?

Division I schools with 30 or more varsity sports:

Harvard: 42
Stanford: 36
Yale: 35
Dartmouth: 35
Brown: 32
Columbia: 31
Boston College: 31
Cornell: 30
Georgetown: 30
Ohio State: 30

[aceinthehole]

Division I schools with 30 or more varsity sports:

Harvard: 42
Stanford: 36
Yale: 35
Dartmouth: 35
Brown: 32
Columbia: 31
Boston College: 31
Cornell: 30
Georgetown: 30
Ohio State: 30

Sacred Heart sponsors 32 NCAA Division I varsity teams (14 men, 18 women)

Plus 30 intercollegiate club teams.

https://www.sacredheartpioneers.com

[DFW HOYA]

Thanks for the catch. There's no one location for these, so they are bound to be others as well.

[Anthony215]

Hampton is dropping Men’s and Women’s Golf unless they raise 300K asap.

Unfortunately I don't see that happening in this day and age so Golf for the Pirates look to be a thing of the past at least for a few years until the economy is fully recovered and maybe they can get a telethon drive to raise the money for restarting both programs.