Moving up

[Gorilla89]

Grand Valley State
Pittsburg State
Northwest Missouri State
Central Missouri St.


Which, of these four teams should move up the the FCS?

[AppGuy04]

GVSU should for competition sake, but they won't

[OB55]

Sandbagging GVSU, like the 200# bully that refuses to leave middle school.

They don't even attempt to schedule any FCS games to boost their SOS. :p

[already123]

GVSU needs to start playin some FCS teams before we can consider them....actually all of them need to step up to the plate so we can see what they are really about

[AppGuy04]

GVSU needs to start playin some FCS teams before we can consider them....actually all of them need to step up to the plate so we can see what they are really about

Dude, they have won 4 of the last 5 national championships and played in 5 of the last 6 championship games. They could easily compete at the FCS level

[Gil Dobie]

Grand Valley State
Pittsburg State
Northwest Missouri State
Central Missouri St.


Which, of these four teams should move up the the FCS?

I'd say all four are capable in football. I'm not familiar enough with the other sports, but I think GVSU is good in several sports.

[dbackjon]

All four

[BisonBacker]

DII isn't what it used to be. Only a few schools are really contenders for the championship. That doesnt tell me much. I watched the GVSU VS. UND game last fall. Very unimpressive on both sides. I agree they need to play some FCS teams and I'm not talking USD either.

[Gorilla89]

I think GVSU has a bad case of the big fish in a small pond syndrome.xrolleyesx

[appfan2008]

the way the question was worded i voted for grand valley st

[AppGuy04]

I think GVSU has a bad case of the big fish in a small pond syndrome.xrolleyesx

yep, their enrollment is more than alot of FCS schools

just checked:
2006-2007 Enrollment:
Total students:
23,295
Undergraduate students:
19,578
Graduate students:
3,717

[appfan2008]

that is a ton of students... that is bigger than i would say most fcs and a lot of fbs schools

[AppGuy04]

that is a ton of students... that is bigger than i would say most fcs and a lot of fbs schools

I think Texas St is about the only school off the top of my head that has more at the FCS level

[appfan2008]

i would think cal poly or one of those really big california schools has more also...

[AppGuy04]

Cal Poly: Undergraduates 17,488

Texas St: Students 27,503 (Fall 2006)

[Gil Dobie]

Cal Poly: Undergraduates 17,488

Texas St: Students 27,503 (Fall 2006)

I think UC Davis is over 20,000

[ucdtim17]

UCD enrollment this year was 30,475 with 23,458 undergrads. We're the biggest in FCS

CP has a total enrollment of 18,475

[Fresno St. Alum]

Fresno St. has 21,000 students and GVSU has 23,000. Move to D-I you cowards.

[Fresno St. Alum]

I think all 4 should move up. But if Pitt St. moves up I'll need to find a new favorite D-II football team again.

Gorilla89, who's C.Missouri St.? I only know U of C.Missouri;)

NW Mizz St. has no votes. Thats funny they're always in the D-II title game too

[already123]

Dude, they have won 4 of the last 5 national championships and played in 5 of the last 6 championship games. They could easily compete at the FCS level

then why dont they play a few games at our level?

Appy St. doesnt have a problem doing so...

[already123]

haha..figures! I forget who said it, but they said it best when expressing that they have a "serious case of big fish in a little pond syndrome"

[FargoBison]

I don't know, I think some of those schools have found their niche in DII. GVSU will never be Michigan or Michigan State and I don't think they want to be an EMU or CWU. They also have no real rivals in the FCS, while they have a ton in DII.

PSU has a great football program but is their fan base big enough to support the move to make it work for their athletic program accross the board. I guess you could also say the same for CMSU and NWMSU. Another problem is where would all these schools go? The Summit could maybe add two more, the Gateway is full, Horizon is full, MVC is full, and creating a new conference isn't an option with the way the NCAA has structured the rules regarding autobids.

[DaveK]

I would like to see all of those schools plus Nebraska-Omaha move up, but if I could only pick one it would be Grand Valley. I believe they would be a top 10 ranked team in their 1st year if they were to move up. They're that good.

[BearsCountry]

GVSU and Central Missouri are the only ones that would have a shot. Pitt State and Northwest could compete in football but would struggle mightly in other sports. I think those two have found their niche in D2.

[Fresno St. Alum]

Wayne St.(MI) is the largest D-II school with 33,000 students. They were approved to move to D-I in 2005 but have yet to move up.

A lot of the CCAA schools have between 12,000-28,000 students but should stay in D-II. San Fransciso St. has 28,500 but they are horrible at basketball.

My top 5 that should move

1.Grand Valley St.
2.N.Alabama
3.C.Oklahoma
4.Tarleton St.
5.C.Missouri

No-Football Top 3
1.N.Kentucky
2.S.Indiana
3.CS San Bernardino

[ucdtim17]

SF State is lucky to still have an athletic program

[GoGuins]

Or how about DIII Mount Union? They could definitely compete with FCS non-schollies:D

[dgreco]

I think you guys are loooking at the powerhouses and not the schools that can make the move. I think the under-the-radar teams have better chances. IE North Carolina Central, Presbyterian, and recently Central Arkansas who had a great season. I will even put my team out their Bryant. I think these schools have a better shot, I think the NWMS, Nebraska Omaha, GVSU, even schools like Wayne State, Saginaw Valley, or Pitt St, they have found their niche and know how to make that system work. I think the schools i mentioned have that better shot if they move up to get the players to be better and to compete. Especially these Michigan schools, there are too many of them for everyone to be the best out there. GVSU has the advantage of getting transfers and controling DII. Just my toughts... agree?

[already123]

SO...what happens when a team who has "found their niche" keeps winning the National Championship? Where is the competition? Where is that competetive nature that all coaches across the nation stress? A bit hypocritical dont ya think? I say drop your n*ts and move up!!

[th0m]

SO...what happens when a team who has "found their niche" keeps winning the National Championship? Where is the competition? Where is that competetive nature that all coaches across the nation stress? A bit hypocritical dont ya think? I say drop your n*ts and move up!!

So do you think the same model should apply for the move up from FCS to FBS? Should there ever be such dominance by so few teams.

[ngineer]

GVSU is in Michigan, correct? We (FCS) needs a presence in the Wolverine State...

[Fresno St. Alum]

I think you guys are loooking at the powerhouses and not the schools that can make the move. I think the under-the-radar teams have better chances. IE North Carolina Central, Presbyterian, and recently Central Arkansas who had a great season. I will even put my team out their Bryant. I think these schools have a better shot, I think the NWMS, Nebraska Omaha, GVSU, even schools like Wayne State, Saginaw Valley, or Pitt St, they have found their niche and know how to make that system work. I think the schools i mentioned have that better shot if they move up to get the players to be better and to compete. Especially these Michigan schools, there are too many of them for everyone to be the best out there. GVSU has the advantage of getting transfers and controling DII. Just my toughts... agree?

Who do you think the next set of teams are that have NOT found a niche in D-II and are coming to D-I?

W.Georgia, UNC-Pembroke, and Tarleton St. are the ones that come to my mind.

[Tod]

So do you think the same model should apply for the move up from FCS to FBS? Should there ever be such dominance by so few teams.

Different story with FBS. Knock out the top 40 or 50 teams, and yes, moving up is moving up. But all that money, prestige and exposure are too much for most schools to compete against.

[dgreco]

SO...what happens when a team who has "found their niche" keeps winning the National Championship? Where is the competition? Where is that competetive nature that all coaches across the nation stress? A bit hypocritical dont ya think? I say drop your n*ts and move up!! I would say yes, but at the DII level they control their destiny, they move up to DI-FCS they then have a lot to compete with. Right now 80% of their teams make it to the "final four", and every team makes the playofffs. They have the fan support, they are receiving money, and they are doing good and the trustees like that. Why move into DI and be a bottom feeder like a Savannah St. I am not saying they will be I just think they will have a much harder time, especially where they are located too, not just Michigan, but where they are in Michigan. I am sure DII would love for them to move, and a lot of DI would like to see a new face, but I am not sure it is going to happen. Especially since the time is now really.


Who do you think the next set of teams are that have NOT found a niche in D-II and are coming to D-I?

W.Georgia, UNC-Pembroke, and Tarleton St. are the ones that come to my mind.
I think after this current batch that is trying to move up, you will see schools like Harding, IUP, maybe a Chadron to add to NE DI, and after that I would think maybe a Washington or New Mexico school would make the move. I would say a Texas team, because there a lot of great Texas teams in DII, but I am not sure they would survive under the new division. The southeast has made the move currently with NCCU, PC, Winston-Salem etc.. So I am not sure you will get a lot more coming from there, but you never know.


GVSU is in Michigan, correct? We (FCS) needs a presence in the Wolverine State...

FCS might, but every other sport that they have to compete in doesn't. I really don't think GVSU would be a great time in DI.

[Gorilla89]

In 1966 Pitt finished 7-3. At the same time Pitt had more students than
Notre Dame and the Irish won the NCxconfusedx xconfusedx

[blackfordpu]

I don't know enough to even have an opinion.

[already123]

either way, I truly believe that you need a challenge. If you are constantly the best team in your entire division, at least start pickin on the big boys to see if you can throw punches with them! Who knows, you might just throw yourself right up there like the Dakotas did....
Either way, what does it prove after a while?

Even throughout history, every nation and empires expanded once they dominated and controlled an area.

[already123]

its like beating a video game over and over again on medium....sooner or later you are gonna try and beat it on hard right??

[Fresno St. Alum]

So true

[Fresno St. Alum]

Cardinalsfan (The TexasTerror of the D-II board) thinks that the next set of D-II school to D-I will be

N.Kentucky (No Football)
Bellarmine (No Football)
S.Indiana (No Football)

The next with football that I think are coming

W.Georgia
Tarleton St. (If Texas St. leaves for FBS)

Is there a OVC rule that says that all members must have football to join? NKU would be perfect if its not a rule. If it is a rule it doesn't make sense because Morehead St. isn't in the OVC for football anyway.

[Cocky]

Cardinalsfan (The TexasTerror of the D-II board) thinks that the next set of D-II school to D-I will be

N.Kentucky (No Football)
Bellarmine (No Football)
S.Indiana (No Football)

The next with football that I think are coming

W.Georgia
Tarleton St. (If Texas St. leaves for FBS)

Is there a OVC rule that says that all members must have football to join? NKU would be perfect if its not a rule. If it is a rule it doesn't make sense because Morehead St. isn't in the OVC for football anyway.


I do believe that is the current policy. MSU was grandfathered in.

You could add Valdosta State to the "needs to move up" category.

[BisonBacker]

The big fish in the little pond syndrome fits perfect for GVSU. I watched their game against the sioux and it was an ugly game. Poorly played (lots of turnovers). I thought while I was watching that with that type of play they wouldn't be a top 25 team in FCS no way. Maybe it was just an off day for them but based on that game the big fish syndrome certainly fit. I can understand why they wouldn't schedule a top tier FCS team. It would expose what they have in DII.

[Fresno St. Alum]

Cocky, Valdosta St. is in the need to move up catagory along with a lot of others. But the 5 schools I put up there all have talked seriously about it.

GVSU: even if they want to stay D-II why not schedule an FCS team to see how good they really are.

[OB55]

Cocky, Valdosta St. is in the need to move up catagory along with a lot of others. But the 5 schools I put up there all have talked seriously about it.

GVSU: even if they want to stay D-II why not schedule an FCS team to see how good they really are.

They (Grand Valley) aren't trying to schedule FCS, they insist on playing at home.

[Fresno St. Alum]

OB, I wish the GVSU people on the D-II board would read this to see how they are ducking quality D-I schools and are cowards for not moving up. This whole we've only been a university since 1960 and have no one to back a move crap.

[OB55]

OB, I wish the GVSU people on the D-II board would read this to see how they are ducking quality D-I schools and are cowards for not moving up. This whole we've only been a university since 1960 and have no one to back a move crap.

Go over there and suggest that. xlolxxlolx

Well, you know what I mean. I would post a link to this poll, but It wouldn't work, this board not visible to the unregistered guest.

[Fresno St. Alum]

I did my first day on the board last July. Bigmrg and half of the D-II posters (GVSU fans) ripped me and gave me all kinds of excuses about Why they NEED to stay in D-II.

[OB55]

I did my first day on the board last July. Bigmrg and half of the D-II posters (GVSU fans) ripped me and gave me all kinds of excuses about Why they NEED to stay in D-II.

Did you take note of the conference affiliation poll and the numbers of GLAIC and MIAA posters? If not for a good representation from the LSC, that would essentially be all that board is.

[already123]

they're just scared...

[Fresno St. Alum]

OB I didn't but I'm a Pitt St. fan so I guess I'd add to the MIAA

[IowaBisonToo]

I did my first day on the board last July. Bigmrg and half of the D-II posters (GVSU fans) ripped me and gave me all kinds of excuses about Why they NEED to stay in D-II.

Yeah, it's called filling up their trophy case.xrolleyesx