Mike Lowell - Dirty Player

[Reed Rothchild]

Took out 2 Yanks yesterday and put 1 on the DL. Why isn't he getting killed by the media and Bristol? Because he's a RedSox and they always get a free pass.

[Cleets]

Took out 2 Yanks yesterday and put 1 on the DL. Why isn't he getting killed by the media and Bristol? Because he's a RedSox and they always get a free pass.

Ha ha ha...
Have you seen both plays yourself..?

Have you ever played baseball beyond little leauge..?
(I won't waste time defending either play)

The cellar is a cold dark place...

[whitey]

Umm...I didn't think there was anything dirty about either play. The 2nd play wasn't even close to being dirty. When he ran Cano over that might have been a bit much, but still wasn't dirty. And it was obvious that Lowell was giving Cano a little extra cause of A-rod.

Baseball teams seem to settle everything on the field, that's why I don't understand what all the stink was about A-Rod yelling at the Jays 3rd baseman.

[aggie6thman]

Took out 2 Yanks yesterday and put 1 on the DL. Why isn't he getting killed by the media and Bristol? Because he's a RedSox and they always get a free pass.

Wow. I watched both plays and they were intense, yes. But dirty, hell no. The first one was rough, and the second one was out of his control. Those kind of plays happen quickly and he didn't intentionally knee the Yanks 1B. Come on now. xnonox

[Tilldog40]

People just hate the sox because the Yankees are the worst team in baseball.

[UNHWildCats]

Lowell has the rights to the baseline between 1st and second base. If a player gets in the way he becomes fairgame just like a catcher at homeplate.

Rodriguez last week going into second slid inside and popped up elbowing Pedroia in the groin, theres a big difference in the two plays.

As for the incident at first base... Jeter's throw was offline pulling Minky over and into Lowell's line that was totally incidental and a freak accident.

I can tell you more Yankee fans are calling for the Yanks to sign Lowell after this season when hes a FA and A-Rod walks calling Lowell a gritty player, then there are fans attacking the two plays. Most Yankee fans know both plays were clean.

[TheValleyRaider]

The first play, Lowell vs. Cano, was legal. Perhaps excessive, I think throwing the shoulder after being tagged out was a bit much, and were I pitching I might buzz Lowell next time up (not hit him) just to let him know we're standing up for Cano. Still, legal play. However, if this was A-Rod, ESPN, New England, the Media Establishment, etc., would be freaking out xcoffeex

Second play, Lowell vs. Mienk, totally legal and unfortunately a freak accident. Stuff like that happens some times, and we're really going to miss Doug's glove out at First.

Move on to tonight, Pettite's been incredible this season, and the Yanks can hit Beckett. If they can wake up and give Andy the run support he deserves, taking 2 of 3 in Boston will hopefully be the jumpstart they need.

[JoltinJoe]

I can tell you more Yankee fans are calling for the Yanks to sign Lowell after this season when hes a FA and A-Rod walks calling Lowell a gritty player, then there are fans attacking the two plays. Most Yankee fans know both plays were clean.

Both plays were clean and the second one was a complete accident.

Lowell in fact is pretty friendly with Mientkiewicz. They played high school ball against one another and they work out together in the offseason. From the quotes I saw, no one felt worse about the accident than Lowell.

As for the first play, I remember when I was a kid Bobby Murcer was in the same situation and he broke up the DB by taking the 2nd baseman with a slide. Maybe Lowell didn't do enough since Cano finished the play.

[Reed Rothchild]

However, if this was A-Rod, ESPN, New England, the Media Establishment, etc., would be freaking out xcoffeex



Exactly. They would find anyway they could to tear any Yankee apart if they would have done that.

Arods play in Toronto wasn't "illegal" and either was Lowell's. Both shouldn't have happened but Arod gets killed for it. Doesn't make sense.

[aggie6thman]

Arods play in Toronto wasn't "illegal" and either was Lowell's. Both shouldn't have happened but Arod gets killed for it. Doesn't make sense.

I think the difference is that A-Rod's move was bush league and Lowell's wasn't. It wasn't illegal but still...

[Peems]

The first play, Lowell vs. Cano, was legal. Perhaps excessive, I think throwing the shoulder after being tagged out was a bit much, and were I pitching I might buzz Lowell next time up (not hit him) just to let him know we're standing up for Cano. Still, legal play. However, if this was A-Rod, ESPN, New England, the Media Establishment, etc., would be freaking out xcoffeex

Second play, Lowell vs. Mienk, totally legal and unfortunately a freak accident. Stuff like that happens some times, and we're really going to miss Doug's glove out at First.

Move on to tonight, Pettite's been incredible this season, and the Yanks can hit Beckett. If they can wake up and give Andy the run support he deserves, taking 2 of 3 in Boston will hopefully be the jumpstart they need.

we took 2 out of 3 last time and it didn't help xsmhx

[CollegeSportsInfo]

The plays by Lowell were not illegal by baseball standards but both certainly seemed intentional. Watch the replays of his run to first base and the followthrough with his leg.

I agree with Reed that Lowell got a free pass simply because he's not Arod. Lowell hurt one player and could have hurt a second. Arod's play has gotten a thousand times more press and there was no physical risk to other players.

My thoughts are that Lowell has soured over the years since losing one of his testicles. He has feelings of inadequacy, feeling like half-a-man, and needs to act out accordingly.

Karma is a bitch and the baseball gods will deal with Lowell accordingly. Chances are that it will end up being one of the Yankee pitchers who are forced to play that role to protect their teammates. And it wouldn't shock me to see Clemens play that guardian role, one he has done so many times in the past.

[Cleets]

The plays by Lowell were not illegal by baseball standards but both certainly seemed intentional. Watch the replays of his run to first base and the followthrough with his leg.

I agree with Reed that Lowell got a free pass simply because he's not Arod. Lowell hurt one player and could have hurt a second. Arod's play has gotten a thousand times more press and there was no physical risk to other players.

My thoughts are that Lowell has soured over the years since losing one of his testicles. He has feelings of inadequacy, feeling like half-a-man, and needs to act out accordingly.

Karma is a bitch and the baseball gods will deal with Lowell accordingly. Chances are that it will end up being one of the Yankee pitchers who are forced to play that role to protect their teammates. And it wouldn't shock me to see Clemens play that guardian role, one he has done so many times in the past.

I thought Lowell and Msnckzjshwtz (Say: Men-kay-vitch) worked out together in the off season..? I thought they were friends..?

(just wondering)

[UNHWildCats]

I thought Lowell and Msnckzjshwtz (Say: Men-kay-vitch) worked out together in the off season..? I thought they were friends..?

(just wondering)

There best friends and to suggest it was intentional is just ridiculous.

[Cobblestone]

Lowell has the rights to the baseline between 1st and second base. If a player gets in the way he becomes fairgame just like a catcher at homeplate.

Rodriguez last week going into second slid inside and popped up elbowing Pedroia in the groin, theres a big difference in the two plays.

As for the incident at first base... Jeter's throw was offline pulling Minky over and into Lowell's line that was totally incidental and a freak accident.

I can tell you more Yankee fans are calling for the Yanks to sign Lowell after this season when hes a FA and A-Rod walks calling Lowell a gritty player, then there are fans attacking the two plays. Most Yankee fans know both plays were clean.


Correct!

Aggressive play? Yes.
Incidental play? Probably.
Dirty play? No way.

[tribe_pride]

The plays by Lowell were not illegal by baseball standards but both certainly seemed intentional. Watch the replays of his run to first base and the followthrough with his leg.

I agree with Reed that Lowell got a free pass simply because he's not Arod. Lowell hurt one player and could have hurt a second. Arod's play has gotten a thousand times more press and there was no physical risk to other players.

My thoughts are that Lowell has soured over the years since losing one of his testicles. He has feelings of inadequacy, feeling like half-a-man, and needs to act out accordingly.

Karma is a bitch and the baseball gods will deal with Lowell accordingly. Chances are that it will end up being one of the Yankee pitchers who are forced to play that role to protect their teammates. And it wouldn't shock me to see Clemens play that guardian role, one he has done so many times in the past.

I blame the Mientkiewicz incident on Jeter more than Lowell. Not that I am blaming Jeter because it was an accident but if his throw hadn't been that far off, Lowell's knee is no where near Mientkiewicz' head.

Try running full speed down the 1st base line, stepping on 1st base, and then avoiding a person who puts their head in the way (all in a split second). You might be able to do it but you have to believe Lowell never thought Mientkiewicz' head would be there.

Didn't see play one so I can't comment.

[ngineer]

I didn't think either play was 'dirty'..especially the one where the first baseman got knocked silly--he moved into Lowell's leg--nothing intentional at all. The other was 'tough' but taking people out at second is part of the game,and , as Lowell said, he learned the 'arm up' technique while a Yankee..

[CollegeSportsInfo]

There best friends and to suggest it was intentional is just ridiculous.

The metaphor you hear often for sports is a comparison to battle. And in battle their are allies and enemies. Friendships mean nothing in the heat of the moment as a player is digging in, willing to do anything to get on base. I'm sure there was nothing intentional towards DM on a personal level, but to say that Lowell can transcend human nature in a play that lasts just slightly longer than a few blinks of an eye is a stretch. His primal instinct was to get beat out the throw at all costs. And that's what he did.

I boxed for years. I had to fight against good friends of mine. Did my friendships factor into how I fought? No. Because the goal was the same: beat my opponent. We all have similar stories regarding our friends.

[JoltinJoe]

The metaphor you hear often for sports is a comparison to battle. And in battle their are allies and enemies. Friendships mean nothing in the heat of the moment as a player is digging in, willing to do anything to get on base. I'm sure there was nothing intentional towards DM on a personal level, but to say that Lowell can transcend human nature in a play that lasts just slightly longer than a few blinks of an eye is a stretch. His primal instinct was to get beat out the throw at all costs. And that's what he did.

I boxed for years. I had to fight against good friends of mine. Did my friendships factor into how I fought? No. Because the goal was the same: beat my opponent. We all have similar stories regarding our friends.

But then you are admitting that Lowell's action was not intentional, correct? He was doing what he was supposed to do to try to beat the throw to the bag, correct?

In your first post, you said it "certainly seemed intentional."

[CollegeSportsInfo]

Lowell's actions seemed intentional from my perspective...if you re-read my last post to understand how I view intent. Do I think that Lowell was trying to end the career of DM? No.