Most Successful FCS Programs in the 2010s

[bonarae]

From STATS. NDSU and JMU are #1 and #2, but who are the others? Read to find out. Discuss here.

http://www.fcs.football/cfb/story.asp?i=20191224063407508964204&ref=rec&tm=&src=FCS

Surprising to find the Toreros at #4. Otherwise, it is a fine list. xpeacex

[X-Factor]

Hmmmm. It’s questionable not having Illinois State on this list. Their playoff success alone is a solid top 10. Maybe their overall win % is a bit lower but still a dominating team of the decade, and IMO should be ahead of the Jacks.

I believe there is another FCS ranking like this floating around that includes ISUr pretty high up.

[cx500d]

Oh my, there is a Montana university on this list.....

[Grizalltheway]

Oh my, there is a Montana university on this list.....
Definitely a bit of a lost decade for the Griz. I think we have the staff in place now to get back on track, though.

[JacksFan40]

From STATS. NDSU and JMU are #1 and #2, but who are the others? Read to find out. Discuss here.

http://www.fcs.football/cfb/story.asp?i=20191224063407508964204&ref=rec&tm=&src=FCS

Surprising to find the Toreros at #4. Otherwise, it is a fine list. xpeacex
Not surprised to see San Diego highly rated, they’ve had a stranglehold on the PFL for a while and have had decent playoff success for a non-scholly team.

[TennBison]

From STATS. NDSU and JMU are #1 and #2, but who are the others? Read to find out. Discuss here.

http://www.fcs.football/cfb/story.asp?i=20191224063407508964204&ref=rec&tm=&src=FCS

Surprising to find the Toreros at #4. Otherwise, it is a fine list. xpeacex

There sits NDSU at 40 wins more and 21 losses less than the next closest team.

[Daytripper]

Good list. I agree that maybe Illinois State should be on the list, but otherwise it's not a bad ranking.

[PaladinFan]

Definitely a bit of a lost decade for the Griz. I think we have the staff in place now to get back on track, though.

There are a few programs - Montana, Delaware, Richmond, Furman, etc. - that sort of fell off the map from national relevancy during the decade. I think at least Furman and Montana are sort of working their way back up the ladder.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Hmmmm. It’s questionable not having Illinois State on this list. Their playoff success alone is a solid top 10. Maybe their overall win % is a bit lower but still a dominating team of the decade, and IMO should be ahead of the Jacks.

I believe there is another FCS ranking like this floating around that includes ISUr pretty high up.
Honestly, I wouldn't put us ahead of SDSU .. they've lost to NDSU 4 times and JMU once, or they could have gone further some of those years. I haven't counted but I believe they've made playoffs a few more times than ISUr. And they've rarely hosted a playoff game.

ISUr has 5 playoff trips this decade and got to quarters an impressive 4 of those 5 years, despite playing on road most games. In 5 years, we've traveled 8 games (going 5-3, excl Natty loss on nuetral field) and only hosted just 3 times (going 2-1) .. once in 2014, and twice in 2015 ... beating fellow MVFC teams both times ... UNI in 2014 and WIU in 2015, losing to Richmond in quarters at home in 2015. We've now lost to NDSU twice in playoffs, incl Natty.

So NDSU has knocked at least 7 MVFC teams out of playoffs since their first Natty in 2011. SDSU deserves more credit .. they've been a top 5-8 program most years since 2012.

[DFW HOYA]

Winning percentage for 2010-19 for all schools which fielded a team for all 10 seasons:



1
North Dakota State
0.912


2
San Diego
0.748


3
Harvard
0.740


4
James Madison
0.736


5
Eastern Washington
0.735


6
Jacksonville State
0.734


7
Sam Houston State
0.726


8
Dartmouth
0.700


9
Bethune-Cookman
0.693


10
North Carolina A&T
0.681


11
Dayton
0.676


12
Central Arkansas
0.667


13
Wofford
0.656


14
South Dakota State
0.646


15
McNeese State
0.643


16
Duquesne
0.640


17
Montana
0.639


18
Illinois State
0.631


19
New Hampshire
0.630


20
Montana State
0.629


21
Drake
0.627


22
Northern Iowa
0.602


23
Lehigh
0.600


24
Grambling State
0.598


25
Jacksonville
0.593


26
Yale
0.590


27
S.Carolina State
0.584


28
Alcorn State
0.580


29
Villanova
0.576


30
Penn
0.570


31
Chattanooga
0.568


32
Stony Brook
0.564


33
Princeton
0.560


34
Samford
0.557


35
Southern
0.553


36
Richmond
0.550


37
Colgate
0.548


38
Eastern Kentucky
0.544


39
Monmouth
0.544


40
Alabama State
0.540


41
Delaware
0.538


42
Fordham
0.538


43
Youngstown State
0.538


44
Northern Arizona
0.536


45
Towson
0.534


46
Prairie View A&M
0.532


47
UT Martin
0.531


48
Sacred Heart
0.526


49
Maine
0.526


50
Charleston S.
0.518


51
The Citadel
0.513


52
Weber State
0.508


53
SE Louisiana
0.500


54
NC Central
0.496


55
Albany
0.491


56
Bryant
0.491


57
North Dakota
0.491


58
Abilene Christian
0.491


59
Tennessee State
0.491


60
Jackson State
0.486


61
Cal Poly
0.478


62
Southern Utah
0.474


63
Butler
0.469


64
Hampton
0.468


65
William & Mary
0.465


66
Furman
0.457


67
Brown
0.450


68
Alabama A&M
0.447


69
Central Connecticut
0.441


70
Eastern Illinois
0.440


71
Sacramento State
0.438


72
Stephen F. Austin
0.430


73
Florida A&M
0.429


74
Southern Illinois
0.429


75
Indiana State
0.426


76
SE Missouri State
0.426


77
Western Illinois
0.419


78
Marist
0.418


79
Campbell
0.414


80
Saint Francis
0.414


81
Holy Cross
0.412


82
Norfolk State
0.412


83
Lamar
0.404


84
UC Davis
0.404


85
Murray State
0.402


86
Wagner
0.389


87
Northwestern State
0.384


88
South Dakota
0.377


89
Elon
0.375


90
Nicholls
0.373


91
Bucknell
0.373


92
Portland State
0.368


93
Tennessee Tech
0.366


94
Georgetown
0.364


95
Arkansas-Pine Bluff
0.360


96
Morehead State
0.360


97
Howard
0.357


98
Morgan State
0.339


99
Gardner-Webb
0.336


100
Robert Morris
0.333


101
Incarnate Word
0.327


102
Western Carolina
0.310


103
Idaho
0.308


104
Lafayette
0.306


105
Columbia
0.300


106
Cornell
0.300


107
Texas Southern
0.300


108
Missouri State
0.288


109
Northern Colorado
0.279


110
Idaho State
0.277


111
Davidson
0.268


112
Austin Peay
0.267


113
Presbyterian
0.257


114
Delaware State
0.239


115
Rhode Island
0.230


116
Valparaiso
0.198


117
VMI
0.195


118
Miss.Valley State
0.147

[BEAR]

UCA has only been in the FCS about 10 years or so. Playoff eligible since 2010. Tough to recruit the first few years with nothing to play for but we did alright. Can’t wait to see the next decade.

[Chalupa Batman]

Honestly, I wouldn't put us ahead of SDSU .. they've lost to NDSU 4 times and JMU once, or they could have gone further some of those years. I haven't counted but I believe they've made playoffs a few more times than ISUr. And they've rarely hosted a playoff game.

ISUr has 5 playoff trips this decade and got to quarters an impressive 4 of those 5 years, despite playing on road most games. In 5 years, we've traveled 8 games (going 5-3, excl Natty loss on nuetral field) and only hosted just 3 times (going 2-1) .. once in 2014, and twice in 2015 ... beating fellow MVFC teams both times ... UNI in 2014 and WIU in 2015, losing to Richmond in quarters at home in 2015. We've now lost to NDSU twice in playoffs, incl Natty.

So NDSU has knocked at least 7 MVFC teams out of playoffs since their first Natty in 2011. SDSU deserves more credit .. they've been a top 5-8 program most years since 2012.

I can see that going either way with ISUr and SDSU.

They've both had 2 realistic shots at making it to Frisco, SDSU in 2017 and 2018, ISUr in 2014 (where they did make it) and 2015.
SDSU has been more consistent, making the playoffs every year since 2011. I wouldn't say they were top 5-8 since 2012 though, more like top 8-15. But top 5-8 since 2016.
ISUr 2014 and 2015 seasons are a higher peak than what SDSU has had though and they actually made it to Frisco (and coming about as close as you can to winning it).

Can see arguments for both.

[Silenoz]

Oh my, there is a Montana university on this list.....
We had to forfeit our best season because some players got a free hot dog. Possibly free mustard too.

[Professor]

Proud to see my Aggies on the list

[Redbird 4th & short]

I can see that going either way with ISUr and SDSU.

They've both had 2 realistic shots at making it to Frisco, SDSU in 2017 and 2018, ISUr in 2014 (where they did make it) and 2015.
SDSU has been more consistent, making the playoffs every year since 2011. I wouldn't say they were top 5-8 since 2012 though, more like top 8-15. But top 5-8 since 2016.
ISUr 2014 and 2015 seasons are a higher peak than what SDSU has had though and they actually made it to Frisco (and coming about as close as you can to winning it).

Can see arguments for both.
I just think SDSU is an under-appreciated program. The article was "most successful" without regard for SOS. BUt adjusting for SOS, just on sheer consistency for being top 8 or near top 8 year after year .. I put their program in top 5 or 6 this decade, except adjusting for SOS: NDSU, EWU, JMU (more recently), SHSU, SDSU, UNH are the top 6 this decade in terms of winning and playoff performance IMO .. different criteria than this article, which is "most successful" without regard for SOS. But I can't name any other team above those 6 .. so maybe ISUr is next given how we did this year.

[Chalupa Batman]

I just think SDSU is an under-appreciated program. The article was "most successful" without regard for SOS. BUt adjusting for SOS, just on sheer consistency for being top 8 or near top 8 year after year .. I put their program in top 5 or 6 this decade, except adjusting for SOS: NDSU, EWU, JMU (more recently), SHSU, SDSU, UNH are the top 6 this decade in terms of winning and playoff performance IMO .. different criteria than this article, which is "most successful" without regard for SOS. But I can't name any other team above those 6 .. so maybe ISUr is next given how we did this year.

I’m not disagreeing that SDSU has been under-appreciated, but pointing out it comes down to preference. Some people would take the consistency of SDSU always being at least solid and sometimes very good, others would take the high that ISUr had in 2014 coupled with always being at least decent but still often solid.

Thinking about it a little more I guess I’m talking more about which of the two teams’ decades would you prefer, which might not necessarily be the same answer to which one has been more successful.


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[Redbird 4th & short]

I just think SDSU is an under-appreciated program. The article was "most successful" without regard for SOS. BUt adjusting for SOS, just on sheer consistency for being top 8 or near top 8 year after year .. I put their program in top 5 or 6 this decade, except adjusting for SOS: NDSU, EWU, JMU (more recently), SHSU, SDSU, UNH are the top 6 this decade in terms of winning and playoff performance IMO .. different criteria than this article, which is "most successful" without regard for SOS. But I can't name any other team above those 6 .. so maybe ISUr is next given how we did this year.

correction ... UNI is probably 7th, ahead of us by a smidge on my top 8 teams adjusted for SOS. Trying to think who else outside of MVFC would be on this list adjusted for SOS for the current decade. Big Sky has done very well the last 2 years, but not so well prior to that .. so i don't see any other Big Sky teams as strong as the top 8 I named. Same for Colonial this decade aside from JMU and UNH.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

If Lehigh could have put together a respectable 7-4 type season in 2017 when they won their 4th PL title this decade I think they make the list. They had a real good first 5 years (10-2, 11-2, 10-1, 8-3, 3-8, 6-5) of the decade but second five were "meh" at best.

Colgate just couldn't find enough consistency. Their tanks in 2016 and 2019 after being ranked in the preseason Top 20 were momentum killers.

[Hood]

Congrats to Southland comrades Sam Houston and Central Arkansas for successful decades.

I wish the article would have included FBS scalps.

[cx500d]

We had to forfeit our best season because some players got a free hot dog. Possibly free mustard too.
As long as it wasn't free ketchup...ketchup doesn't belong on a hot dog.

[Redbird 4th & short]

As long as it wasn't free ketchup...ketchup doesn't belong on a hot dog.
100% agreed .. in fact, they should get the NCAA death penalty for 5 years ... lost schollies, no playoffs, and no ability to serve any hot dogs ever again. There is just no excuse.

[cx500d]

Oh my, there is a Montana university on this list.....
Wow, a negative rep from Copper Cat from MSU for posting this.... and I was just trolling for some griz fans given they have the most playoff appearances of any team.

[HootyHoo]

It's amazing that Kennesaw State is on this list. The program only existed for half the decade. It has been an enjoyable experience to watch this team be built from the ground up. Who knows what's next for the Owls in the 2020's?

[cx500d]

It's amazing that Kennesaw State is on this list. The program only existed for half the decade. It has been an enjoyable experience to watch this team be built from the ground up. Who knows what's next for the Owls in the 2020's?

they will probably develop a triple option that no one has ever seen before.

[Bisonoline]

Wow, a negative rep from Copper Cat from MSU for posting this.... and I was just trolling for some griz fans given they have the most playoff appearances of any team.

Thats called bicatch.

[Ivytalk]

Glad to see Harvard on the list, despite its terrible 2019 season.

[HootyHoo]

they will probably develop a triple option that no one has ever seen before.

You do realize that the announcers for the Weber State/KSU game stated that the Owls' Option was different from anything else in the country? It would be nice if the Owls finally got drawn in the Bison half of the bracket so we can see if you Dakota boys can handle the Option with an extra helping of SOUTHERN SPEED. xsmiley_wix

[Bisonoline]

You do realize that the announcers for the Weber State/KSU game stated that the Owls' Option was different from anything else in the country? It would be nice if the Owls finally got drawn in the Bison half of the bracket so we can see if you Dakota boys can handle the Option with an extra helping of SOUTHERN SPEED. xsmiley_wix

Ask Georgia Southern.

[LetsGoPeay]

Winning percentage for 2010-19 for all schools which fielded a team for all 10 seasons:



113
Austin Peay
0.267









Austin Peay . . . first 7 years of the decade: .099 winning percentage

Austin Peay . . . last 3 years of the decade: .615 winning percentage

[Daytripper]

Austin Peay . . . first 7 years of the decade: .099 winning percentage

Austin Peay . . . last 3 years of the decade: .615 winning percentage


Nicholls has very similar numbers.

[HootyHoo]

Ask Georgia Southern.

Don't kid yourselves, Georgia Southern was long past their prime when they faced the Bison in the playoffs. Kennesaw State has transcended the Paul Johnson option. This is like the apex of the vortex of Option engineering.

[Bisonoline]

Don't kid yourselves, Georgia Southern was long past their prime when they faced the Bison in the playoffs. Kennesaw State has transcended the Paul Johnson option. This is like the apex of the vortex of Option engineering.

xblahxxblahxxblahxxblahxxblahxxblahxxblahxxblahxxb lahxxblahx

Yeah you barely got by Wofford and Weber sent you packing. Im impressed.xrolleyesx

[Chalupa Batman]

Don't kid yourselves, Georgia Southern was long past their prime when they faced the Bison in the playoffs. Kennesaw State has transcended the Paul Johnson option. This is like the apex of the vortex of Option engineering.

I've never rolled my eyes harder than I did after reading this.

[HootyHoo]

I've never rolled my eyes harder than I did after reading this.

Does it bother you that North Dakota State became dominant only after after App St and Ga So left the FCS. I guess you could say the that the Bison are a "Dynasty by Default".

[POD Knows]

Does it bother you that North Dakota State became dominant only after after App St and Ga So left the FCS. I guess you could say the that the Bison are a "Dynasty by Default".NDSU beat GSU in back to back playoff games on 2011 and 2012 and won the Natty's in 2011 and 2012, we were already dominant when GSU was still in FCS.

[SUPharmacist]

NDSU beat GSU in back to back playoff games on 2011 and 2012 and won the Natty's in 2011 and 2012, we were already dominant when GSU was still in FCS.

This here. I would love if those programs were still FCS and it may have changed how the decade went. But, NDSU started winning when they were still around.

[Bisonoline]

Does it bother you that North Dakota State became dominant only after after App St and Ga So left the FCS. I guess you could say the that the Bison are a "Dynasty by Default".

Your ignorance is astounding.

[Chalupa Batman]

You do realize that the announcers for the Weber State/KSU game stated that the Owls' Option was different from anything else in the country? It would be nice if the Owls finally got drawn in the Bison half of the bracket so we can see if you Dakota boys can handle the Option with an extra helping of SOUTHERN SPEED. xsmiley_wix

Oh and by the way, did you forget that you have been on our side of the bracket? Twice. You lost to Sam Houston State right before we beat them, and then lost at home to South Dakota State right before we beat them.

All you have to do is win more games to get to us. xcoffeex

[POD Knows]

This here. I would love if those programs were still FCS and it may have changed how the decade went. But, NDSU started winning when they were still around.Also beat GSU badly in 2006, NDSU owned their asses for 7 years. xthumbsupx

[HootyHoo]

Your ignorance is astounding.

It seems I struck a nerve. No worries, a program has come along to challenge NDSU and give your program some legitimacy.

[Bisonoline]

It seems I struck a nerve. No worries, a program has come along to challenge NDSU and give your program some legitimacy.

https://i.imgur.com/wDApBZK.jpg

[Derby City Duke]

xblahxxblahxxblahxxblahxxblahxxblahxxblahxxblahxxb lahxxblahx

Yeah you barely got by Wofford and Weber sent you packing. Im impressed.xrolleyesx

Now I know why my ears started to bleed when I drove ‘through’ Kennesaw on I-75 this evening. It was just Hooty Hoo doin’ his thing.

[Mattymc727]

I feel like if you extended this another 10 years to 2000, UNH would be top 5 or so. I know there are zero titles, but all the playoffs and FCS scalps, it’s a good argument

[Bisonoline]

Now I know why my ears started to bleed when I drove ‘through’ Kennesaw on I-75 this evening. It was just Hooty Hoo doin’ his thing.

You usually dont run in to somebody so football ignorant on this forum. xnodx

[SUPharmacist]

It seems I struck a nerve. No worries, a program has come along to challenge NDSU and give your program some legitimacy.

I can't tell you how glad all of us are that JMU has stepped up.

[HootyHoo]

Will the Bison dominate the 2020s as they have this decade? If you were a betting man, would you bet the Bison win the majority of National Championships in the next decade or take the field?

[BEAR]

Will the Bison dominate the 2020s as they have this decade? If you were a betting man, would you bet the Bison win the majority of National Championships in the next decade or take the field?

If it starts to look that way then I’m pretty much done with fcs football. Don’t blame them but as fans there’s nothing we can do to change it...and this coming from a fan of a team that has had pretty good success since we transitioned to division I in the late 2000s. No biggie really...my own school administrators don’t even support the program. xlolx

[WeAreThePride]

It seems I struck a nerve. No worries, a program has come along to challenge NDSU and give your program some legitimacy.
Trollollollollolllll

[Redbird 4th & short]

NDSU beat GSU in back to back playoff games on 2011 and 2012 and won the Natty's in 2011 and 2012, we were already dominant when GSU was still in FCS.
And we beat Appy St in 2012 playoff on road. So much for that argument. In facts, they pushed out their head coach after his loss to us and fell below .500 I think in 2013. I think they moved up in 2014 ... NDSU was working on their 4th title already.

[Redbird 4th & short]

I feel like if you extended this another 10 years to 2000, UNH would be top 5 or so. I know there are zero titles, but all the playoffs and FCS scalps, it’s a good argument
There would be a couple more Colonial teams higher up for sure.

[JacksFan40]

It seems I struck a nerve. No worries, a program has come along to challenge NDSU and give your program some legitimacy.
Yes because Kennesaw State is a top tier FCS. Come back when you can actually beat Georgia State and Kent State.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Don't kid yourselves, Georgia Southern was long past their prime when they faced the Bison in the playoffs. Kennesaw State has transcended the Paul Johnson option. This is like the apex of the vortex of Option engineering.

Great! Now I don't want to see any crap about NDSU moving up to FBS until they are "long past their prime" (the criteria: losing two semifinal games in their last three years of FCS).

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I feel like if you extended this another 10 years to 2000, UNH would be top 5 or so. I know there are zero titles, but all the playoffs and FCS scalps, it’s a good argument

UNH overall has been incredibly consistent. Yet, they've only had 2, maybe 3 teams that were serious title contenders. The Santos years came during App State's run while the other opportunity came during the Bison's stampede, 2014. It will be interesting to see how the program emerges from this unfortunate coaching situation. The Wildcats have had a great thing going in New England in terms of what to sell. While Chesney is at Holy Cross he'll make a dent in New England FCS football. Maine will always be a cool/quirky destination for the right type of talented player. So UNH does have some competition but that shouldn't prevent them from being a steady Top 15 presence with some stability within the program.

Lehigh is the perfect example of how to compromise the program's future by hiring the wrong guy following a highly successful coach leaving due to a horrible health situation.

[Bisonoline]

Yes because Kennesaw State is a top tier FCS. Come back when you can actually beat Georgia State and Kent State.

Wow hes actually tripled down on stupid. Dont see that very often.

[Ivytalk]

Don't kid yourselves, Georgia Southern was long past their prime when they faced the Bison in the playoffs. Kennesaw State has transcended the Paul Johnson option. This is like the apex of the vortex of Option engineering.
Apex of the vortex, huh? As a matter of physics, how does that work, exactly?

[Redbird 4th & short]

Apex of the vortex, huh? As a matter of physics, how does that work, exactly?
always good to have an Ivy Leaguer around to call out BS like this !!

xcoffeex I'll sit this one out.

Please continue ...

[cx500d]

Apex of the vortex, huh? As a matter of physics, how does that work, exactly?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5ZjISiLXSc

[Mocs123]

You do realize that the announcers for the Weber State/KSU game stated that the Owls' Option was different from anything else in the country? It would be nice if the Owls finally got drawn in the Bison half of the bracket so we can see if you Dakota boys can handle the Option with an extra helping of SOUTHERN SPEED. xsmiley_wix


As much as I'd like to see someone take NDSU down, I'm not sure you know what you're asking for. NDSU is an excellent program, and they continue to put themselves in a position to where they play all of their playoff games at home at a place they hold a huge home field advantage and hold a large advantage in Frisco too, much like App did when the NC game was hosted in Chattanooga (quite a few App fans bought UTC season tickets so they would get first dibs at NC tickets!).

And just in case you were wondering, Georgia Southern at their prime would kill KSU.

[Mocs123]

BTW I found it surprising that the 25th most sucessful team the past decade is dropping football. I realize "sucessful" may be a strech on a national scale, but as far as winning percentage, there are quite a few teams that would loved to have had Jacksonville's numbers.

[Redbird 4th & short]

BTW I found it surprising that the 25th most sucessful team the past decade is dropping football. I realize "sucessful" may be a strech on a national scale, but as far as winning percentage, there are quite a few teams that would loved to have had Jacksonville's numbers.
I thought STATS only did a top 16 "most successful" ??

Are you referrring to best records list ?

[Redbird 4th & short]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5ZjISiLXSc
upon further review, props to OP for the good movie reference .. down goes Ivy Leaguer, down goes Ivy Leaguer !!!

p.s. me too, for missing movie reference

[Mocs123]

Yes, the best records list.

[Professor]

If it starts to look that way then I’m pretty much done with fcs football. Don’t blame them but as fans there’s nothing we can do to change it...and this coming from a fan of a team that has had pretty good success since we transitioned to division I in the late 2000s. No biggie really...my own school administrators don’t even support the program. xlolx

Lol don't be done. Enjoy the ride at the top. I personally see NDSU winning at least 5 Nattys in the 20s unless something drastic happens

[Redbird 4th & short]

Lol don't be done. Enjoy the ride at the top. I personally see NDSU winning at least 5 Nattys in the 20s unless something drastic happens
like if HBCUs cancel Celebraton Bowl payday, so NC A&T can knock Bison off their pedestal ??

:D xdrunkyx

[POD Knows]

Lol don't be done. Enjoy the ride at the top. I personally see NDSU winning at least 5 Nattys in the 20s unless something drastic happensWe won't be happy with 5, that is only 50% of the Natty's, not kidding, there would be a collective meltdown if that is all they won. xnodx

[TheKingpin28]

We won't be happy with 5, that is only 50% of the Natty's, not kidding, there would be a collective meltdown if that is all they won. xnodxThis. Anything short of 8 would be considered a "let down" decade to the fans based off of the results of this past decade.

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[Professor]

like if HBCUs cancel Celebraton Bowl payday, so NC A&T can knock Bison off their pedestal ??

:D xdrunkyx

Man you are seriously obsessed.

[Professor]

We won't be happy with 5, that is only 50% of the Natty's, not kidding, there would be a collective meltdown if that is all they won. xnodx

Talk about high standards. Geez. I don't see any competition except for JMU. And i do believe they go FBS in the next decade , so another contender would have to emerge to challenge NDSU

[Daytripper]

Talk about high standards. Geez. I don't see any competition except for JMU. And i do believe they go FBS in the next decade , so another contender would have to emerge to challenge NDSU

The fact that the Bison faithful expect and 80% championship success rate, and that is actually likely, is reason enough that they should go FBS. Regardless of why they are consistently superior to the rest of the FCS, it is not good for our subdivision when there is that much domination by one team.

[BEAR]

The fact that the Bison faithful expect and 80% championship success rate, and that is actually likely, is reason enough that they should go FBS. Regardless of why they are consistently superior to the rest of the FCS, it is not good for our subdivision when there is that much domination by one team.

If the Bison actually win 8 then FCS football will go down hill quickly. Again, don't blame the Bison. But pretty much makes it boring for fans and there's nothing we can do to change it. I'll still look I from time to time but I'll spend my cash other places.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Man you are seriously obsessed.

it was a joke .. aka, not serious .. do you ignore my posts that speak highly of Celebration Bowl ??

[Chalupa Batman]

Don't kid yourselves, Georgia Southern was long past their prime when they faced the Bison in the playoffs. Kennesaw State has transcended the Paul Johnson option. This is like the apex of the vortex of Option engineering.


upon further review, props to OP for the good movie reference .. down goes Ivy Leaguer, down goes Ivy Leaguer !!!

p.s. me too, for missing movie reference


I wouldn't go that far. While it is a good movie reference the rest of the post is still bat **** crazy.

[Daytripper]

If the Bison actually win 8 then FCS football will go down hill quickly. Again, don't blame the Bison. But pretty much makes it boring for fans and there's nothing we can do to change it. I'll still look I from time to time but I'll spend my cash other places.

I'm not blaming the Bison. I'm just stating that this type of domination is not good

[POD Knows]

I'm not blaming the Bison. I'm just stating that this type of domination is not goodSure it is, just ask us. The Bulls won a bunch of NBA titles back in the day, was that bad for the NBA at the time, people would argue that was the zenith of the NBA, Yankees in baseball, their dominance back in the day didn't hurt the sport. Just throwing stuff out there on my day off.

[Mocs123]

If NDSU wins 8 out of the next 10 FCS National Championships, then yes I would argue it is bad for FCS football. I'm not aware of any collegiate sport where one school wins greater than 80% of the national championships, it's just not healthy. Of course on the flip side, where does NDSU go? They are not going to get a P5 offer no matter how good they are, and what G5 conference makes sense for them? Could they make something work, sure they could, but nothing is a natural fit, and what incentive do they have to move up when all their rivalries are FCS and they are dominating.

I'd really like to see a case study of why NDSU has been so successful and how they have created one of the most dominate football dynasties the world has ever seen. You would think that their location would be a deterrent but I'm not sure it hasn't contributed to their success. NDSU is clearly Fargo's team, clearly North Dakota's team (sorry UND), you can't say that with a bunch of other schools (perhaps Montana). If you walk around the city of Chattanooga you'll see ten times as many Tennessee shirts, or Alabama, Auburn, or Georgia shirts than you do Chattanooga shirts. The same could probably be said about students on campus (at least it could when I was there). You could say the same thing about Furman, Samford, or Austin Peay. None of those schools are their "City's" team - all of those towns (and states) worship SEC football. There are 15K people that travel from Chattanooga to Knoxville for every Vols home game, but we can only get 10K (on a good day) to show up for a Mocs home game (and only then if it's great weather, and there are no good SEC matchups on TV during gametime).

[Grizalltheway]

Sure it is, just ask us. The Bulls won a bunch of NBA titles back in the day, was that bad for the NBA at the time, people would argue that was the zenith of the NBA, Yankees in baseball, their dominance back in the day didn't hurt the sport. Just throwing stuff out there on my day off.
Sure, but those runs of dominance came to end eventually. Common sense dictates that NDSU won't be this dominant forever, but there aren't any signs I can see (short of major NCAA sanctions or something) that it will end any time soon.

[Professor]

If NDSU wins 8 out of the next 10 FCS National Championships, then yes I would argue it is bad for FCS football. I'm not aware of any collegiate sport where one school wins greater than 80% of the national championships, it's just not healthy. Of course on the flip side, where does NDSU go? They are not going to get a P5 offer no matter how good they are, and what G5 conference makes sense for them? Could they make something work, sure they could, but nothing is a natural fit, and what incentive do they have to move up when all their rivalries are FCS and they are dominating.

I'd really like to see a case study of why NDSU has been so successful and how they have created one of the most dominate football dynasties the world has ever seen. You would think that their location would be a deterrent but I'm not sure it hasn't contributed to their success. NDSU is clearly Fargo's team, clearly North Dakota's team (sorry UND), you can't say that with a bunch of other schools (perhaps Montana). If you walk around the city of Chattanooga you'll see ten times as many Tennessee shirts, or Alabama, Auburn, or Georgia shirts than you do Chattanooga shirts. The same could probably be said about students on campus (at least it could when I was there). You could say the same thing about Furman, Samford, or Austin Peay. None of those schools are their "City's" team - all of those towns (and states) worship SEC football. There are 15K people that travel from Chattanooga to Knoxville for every Vols home game, but we can only get 10K (on a good day) to show up for a Mocs home game (and only then if it's great weather, and there are no good SEC matchups on TV during gametime).

I'm curious as well .....As members of Division II, they won 8 national championships with an overall record of 347–94–4 having only 2 losing seasons from 1964–2003. That is insane

[POD Knows]

Sure, but those runs of dominance came to end eventually. Common sense dictates that NDSU won't be this dominant forever, but there aren't any signs I can see (short of major NCAA sanctions or something) that it will end any time soon.NDSU was pretty dominant in DII at various times but we also had some pretty crappy years. I think we will always be good at this level and probably always in the top ten but we can be beaten. JMU was a better team in 2016 and they might be a better team this year.

[Mocs123]

No offense to JMU (I'd actually like to see them win) but from a small sample size of 1 game of each team I've seen, NDSU is the better team.

[DFW HOYA]

If NDSU wins 8 out of the next 10 FCS National Championships, then yes I would argue it is bad for FCS football. I'm not aware of any collegiate sport where one school wins greater than 80% of the national championships, it's just not healthy.

Penn State has won eight of the last nine NCAA wrestling titles. Oklahoma State and Iowa accounted for 57 of the first 80 championships.

[BEAR]

I'm not blaming the Bison. I'm just stating that this type of domination is not good

I thought I typed that "I don't blame the bison" then reread it and saw the "I" was left out. It even reads strange without it. xlolx Don't know what happened there except I'm posting from an archaic ipad2. Sorry about that. xlolx

[Outsider1]

We actually didn't start Div. I until 2013, but glad to see us included and at least in the middle pack. It's just hard when you leave a pretty good decade behind and start all over again. There are a lot of teams that are more relevant today than they were many years ago.

[Daytripper]

Sure it is, just ask us. The Bulls won a bunch of NBA titles back in the day, was that bad for the NBA at the time, people would argue that was the zenith of the NBA, Yankees in baseball, their dominance back in the day didn't hurt the sport. Just throwing stuff out there on my day off.

Nobody except Bison, Yankees, or Bulls fans think those were the zenith.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Nobody except Bison, Yankees, or Bulls fans think those were the zenith.

The Bulls were rather unique. MJ was such a global figure that people gravitated to the team despite their basically annoying level of crazy success. I can't think of another team during my life that was generally liked despite almost always winning. Had the Cavaliers won more with LeBron I think they might have been close.

[POD Knows]

Nobody except Bison, Yankees, or Bulls fans think those were the zenith.The highest ratings for NBA finals occurred when the Bull were making their runs, and before that it was the Lakers and Celtics. The golden age of baseball was when the Yankees were on top, I hate the freaking Yankees but dynasties draw attention from the people that love them and the people that hate them it it draws crowds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Finals_television_ratings

[frozennorth]

Great! Now I don't want to see any crap about NDSU moving up to FBS until they are "long past their prime" (the criteria: losing two semifinal games in their last three years of FCS).
three semi finals in their last three years

https://www.espn.com/college-football/recap?gameId=303520048

[Preferred Walk-On]

three semi finals in their last three years

https://www.espn.com/college-football/recap?gameId=303520048

Forgot about that one. Thanks for the reminder. That season ended when for me when NDSU got butt****ed in the quarters. xsplatx Not saying NDSU should or would have won that game (or any others going forward), but sad to see that game end on that call.

To be fair though, it was actually three semifinals in Georgia Southern's last four years of FCS play (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Georgia_Southern_Eagles_football_team; last year ineligible; likely would not have made the playoffs)...but whose counting. xsmiley_wix

Regardless, anybody that thinks this was "long past their prime" needs to seriously rethink their standards of excellence (or just their standards in general). xbeerchugx

[Redbird 4th & short]

The Bulls were rather unique. MJ was such a global figure that people gravitated to the team despite their basically annoying level of crazy success. I can't think of another team during my life that was generally liked despite almost always winning. Had the Cavaliers won more with LeBron I think they might have been close.
Lebron has too many critics, so i don't think that is good comparison. As much as he was more physically gifted and dominant than Jordan, he will never be the GOAT like Jordan .. too many years he was afraid to take and make the big shot. He's gotten a little better about big shots as he's gotten older, but for too many years, he clearly preferred to bail out with a forced pass. Jordan had no fear. Neither did Kobe .. except Jordan's shooting % in close games during 4th quarter was almost 10% higher than Kobe .. something like 55% to 45% or so. Lebron avoided many big shots his first 6 or 7 years.

Changing sports, a better example of dominance helping a sport, was Tiger Woods .. he took golf to a new level. Look at all the great golfers playing now, while Tiger struggles to compete .. it would be interesting to see a younger healthier Tiger in his prime competing with curreent group of studs. In fact, were seeing more finely tuned athletes become very good golfers .. because of Tiger. All ships rise.

And I do think NDSU helps the FCS cause much more than they hurt it with their dominance. Even while understanding, it would be better if someone knocked them off the pedestal a little more often, even while they still mostly dominated. Bt in no way do i want them to just leave FCS .. they have raised the bar in MVFC .. all the evidence I need is the MVFC excl NDSU OOC playoff win % of .674 since 2011.

If you can't beat 'em or even compete with 'em ... don't kick them out, maybe try harder. They have no inherent advantages.

[SUPharmacist]

The Bulls were rather unique. MJ was such a global figure that people gravitated to the team despite their basically annoying level of crazy success. I can't think of another team during my life that was generally liked despite almost always winning. Had the Cavaliers won more with LeBron I think they might have been close.

I hated the Bulls and Jordan, but as time went on I realized my problem was the NBA couldn't figure out how to officiate him. Ever since they have not been able to find a balance between offensive stars and defense. This is probably mainly the fault of the 'Bad Boys' Pistons. They were so over the top physical that for the rest of his career Jordan got every call even when he caused the contact himself. I used to love basketball, but I had to move on when they decided any time a star leaned in they get to shoot free throws.

Back to the subject at hand, while I love it, I do not believe NDSU's dominance is good for the FCS. To POD's point dynasties can draw fans and haters, but true haters only tune in en masse at the top level of a sport, and as far as large numbers of fans Fargo is obviously not New York or Chicago and cannot prop things up.

[POD Knows]

I hated the Bulls and Jordan, but as time went on I realized my problem was the NBA couldn't figure out how to officiate him. Ever since they have not been able to find a balance between offensive stars and defense. This is probably mainly the fault of the 'Bad Boys' Pistons. They were so over the top physical that for the rest of his career Jordan got every call even when he caused the contact himself. I used to love basketball, but I had to move on when they decided any time a star leaned in they get to shoot free throws.

Back to the subject at hand, while I love it, I do not believe NDSU's dominance is good for the FCS. To POD's point dynasties can draw fans and haters, but true haters only tune in en masse at the top level of a sport, and as far as large numbers of fans Fargo is obviously not New York or Chicago and cannot prop things up.You think the FCS is obscure now, try and think what it would be like without NDSU. We have drawn more national attention to this segment of college football than would have been happening had the FCS had a bunch of different Natty winners every year. I do agree with you that the impact is minimal given the fact that this is not big market football so my analogy is probably flawed but it was mostly put forth tongue in cheek anyway.

[ngineer]

Decade has another year to go! 2020 is the last year of the decade, i.e. 1-10, 11-20, 21-30....(;-)

[PaladinFan]

You think the FCS is obscure now, try and think what it would be like without NDSU. We have drawn more national attention to this segment of college football than would have been happening had the FCS had a bunch of different Natty winners every year. I do agree with you that the impact is minimal given the fact that this is not big market football so my analogy is probably flawed but it was mostly put forth tongue in cheek anyway.

Not really. The whole division (which I enjoy greatly) is largely irrelevant nationally.

In the Deep South, where college football is king, NDSU gets lumped in with all the rest of the mushy middle of college football. Few care. The national title game will have the look and feel of a minor bowl game. For FCS fans, NDSU is relevant. For everyone else nationally, not at all.

Besides, NDSU is essentially filling a gap left by teams that came before it that largely did the same thing. They are not the first program to dominate this level of football for a period of time. They probably won't be the last either.

The only FCS team that has really made any sort of ripple with a national football watching audience is App State. Their win over Michigan in 2007 is the standard for FCS relevancy on a national stage.

[POD Knows]

Not really. The whole division (which I enjoy greatly) is largely irrelevant nationally.

In the Deep South, where college football is king, NDSU gets lumped in with all the rest of the mushy middle of college football. Few care. The national title game will have the look and feel of a minor bowl game. For FCS fans, NDSU is relevant. For everyone else nationally, not at all.

Besides, NDSU is essentially filling a gap left by teams that came before it that largely did the same thing. They are not the first program to dominate this level of football for a period of time. They probably won't be the last either.

The only FCS team that has really made any sort of ripple with a national football watching audience is App State. Their win over Michigan in 2007 is the standard for FCS relevancy on a national stage.Really, wow, I don't even know what to say. That is the greatest event in FCS history? Ok, I will take your word for it. I assume this was followed by multiple ESPN game day visits and every thing else. Yea, App State is what everybody thinks when they think of FCS.

[Grizalltheway]

Really, wow, I don't even know what to say. That is the greatest event in FCS history? Ok, I will take your word for it. I assume this was followed by multiple ESPN game day visits and every thing else. Yea, App State is what everybody thinks when they think of FCS.
In terms of national exposure? Absolutely. Michigan was #5 in FBS at the time. It was all over ESPN for days.

[POD Knows]

In terms of national exposure? Absolutely. Michigan was #5 in FBS at the time. It was all over ESPN for days.
Bull****. The multiple wins by NDSU over quality FBS teams and the multiple Nattys has done far more for the FCS than this one off win by App State.

[semobison]

In terms of national exposure? Absolutely. Michigan was #5 in FBS at the time. It was all over ESPN for days.

On the Cover of Sports Illustrated which in those days was huge!

[thebootfitter]

Decade has another year to go! 2020 is the last year of the decade, i.e. 1-10, 11-20, 21-30....(;-)
Depends on how you count. If the starting point of counting decades, centuries, millennia, etc. is January in 1 C.E. as it traditionally is, then yes. You are absolutely correct. However, the "90s" started in 1990 and ended in 1999. The 2010s started in 2010 and end in 2019.

[thebootfitter]

Bull****. The multiple wins by NDSU over quality FBS teams and the multiple Nattys has done far more for the FCS than this one off win by App State.
The App State win was huge at the time and is still talked about. I think it gave relevance to the FCS that didn't exist before. But I agree that NDSU's success has made that relevance more pervasive in the overall college football scene. A single, shocking, one-time event catches attention, but sustained success and multiple years of beating decent FBS teams keeps NDSU and FCS in part of the conversation. Look at how often NDSU is mentioned on ESPN Game Day over time compared to the short-term mentions of App State, and I bet that NDSU has been mentioned more.

(I also wouldn't be surprised if NDSU may have beaten Michigan if they took App State's place in that 2007 game. But that's just pure speculation that isn't worth much.)

[Grizalltheway]

Bull****. The multiple wins by NDSU over quality FBS teams and the multiple Nattys has done far more for the FCS than this one off win by App State.
The novelty of that wore off after App State's win, and NDSU hasn't beaten a top 5 FBS team. NDSU winning every year does nothing but make people think the FCS is just them and a bunch of trash. Which I guess is true at this point, to some extent.

[Ivytalk]

upon further review, props to OP for the good movie reference .. down goes Ivy Leaguer, down goes Ivy Leaguer !!!

p.s. me too, for missing movie reference

Feh. Must have missed that one.xcoffeex

[Redbird 4th & short]

And on freaking cue, the Griz and the the SoCon relive the past and drag the ancient freaking memory of their past awesomeness to the fore front. The Carson Wentz QB focus for the NFL did far more for the FCS than that one off win over a 9 and freaking 4 Michigan team did. Greatest FCS event ever?? It is debatable. That App State win did nothing for the FCS, the Bison run has done far more to bring this conference into the conversation.
Pod .. have to partly disagree. Partly disagree meaning, there is no doubt Appy St beating #5 (at time) Michigan in 2007 was an astonishing upset and got a lot of attention at the time for years to come. This was the 2007 opener. The year prior (2006), Michigan was sitting 11-0 going into final regular season game against a very good 12-0 Ohio St, and lost by just 3 to OSU on road. Then they went to a very good USC to play Rose Bowl and lost to finish 11-2 with 2 very good losses against top 5 teams. So getting beat at home by Appy St in 2007 opener .. was a huge deal at the time. And was this upset was talked about for many years afterward.

And where I party agree ... there is also no doubt that while very significant upset, it was a fairly isolated event and by itself does not compare to what NDSU has accomplished versus FBS (and FCS) over a much longer period of time has certainly had much more impact.

But the Appy St win was huge at the time and by itself remains the most significant win ever for an FCS over FBS (AA over A) .. and it had more impact than any single NDSU win IMO. Your Iowa win was impressive, but not as much as Appy St upset .. and it's lasting impact of this Iowa win was not close to Appy St upset IMO.

[Redbird 4th & short]

I hated the Bulls and Jordan, but as time went on I realized my problem was the NBA couldn't figure out how to officiate him. Ever since they have not been able to find a balance between offensive stars and defense. This is probably mainly the fault of the 'Bad Boys' Pistons. They were so over the top physical that for the rest of his career Jordan got every call even when he caused the contact himself. I used to love basketball, but I had to move on when they decided any time a star leaned in they get to shoot free throws.

Back to the subject at hand, while I love it, I do not believe NDSU's dominance is good for the FCS. To POD's point dynasties can draw fans and haters, but true haters only tune in en masse at the top level of a sport, and as far as large numbers of fans Fargo is obviously not New York or Chicago and cannot prop things up.
Agreed for most part, though Jordan got fouled all the time off the ball and he never complained .. that was apparently the deal.

But you say this as if Jordan was the only superstar who got questionable calls .. clearly he wasn't alone in that regard .. many superstars got those calls. As a group, NBA officials are probably the most compromised group of officials in professional sports. I truly believe they would very purposely steer playoff series' to ensure more games .. or a big Sunday afternoon game between two popular teams. I forget which year, but back when Knicks were pretty good with Ewing, Starks, Wilkins, McDaniels, etc .. the Bulls had dominated them for about 2 or 3 years ... something like 12-1 or worse. Bulls wound up playing them in playoffs .. might have been Eastern Conf finals or semi-finals. For 6 games, they let the very physical Knicks do whatever they wanted to the Bulls and Jordan, and suddenly the Bulls could no longer dominate a team they had completely dominated for 2 or 3 years. Game 7, the refs called it straight and Bulls won by like 30. That was the deal and didn't always benefit Jordan .. especially off the ball .. and he knew it and never complained .. or flopped like Lebron.

And as you pointed out, there was so much nonsense that was allowed when Pistons were the team in their run ... the Bulls had been knockked out of playoffs 3 straight years before our infamous 4-0 thrashing (where the classless Pistons walked off court without shaking the Bulls hands) in the Bulls first championship run. But here was so much nonsense that went on with officials in that era .. some of which hurt the Bulls when they were younger and trying to break thru, and also when they were on top .. depending on how many games they wanted in a series if the other team was a good TV draw.

[POD Knows]

Pod .. have to partly disagree. Partly disagree meaning, there is no doubt Appy St beating #5 (at time) Michigan in 2007 was an astonishing upset and got a lot of attention at the time for years to come. This was the 2007 opener. The year prior (2006), Michigan was sitting 11-0 going into final regular season game against a very good 12-0 Ohio St, and lost by just 3 to OSU on road. Then they went to a very good USC to play Rose Bowl and lost to finish 11-2 with 2 very good losses against top 5 teams. So getting beat at home by Appy St in 2007 opener .. was a huge deal at the time. And was this upset was talked about for many years afterward.

And where I party agree ... there is also no doubt that while very significant upset, it was a fairly isolated event and by itself does not compare to what NDSU has accomplished versus FBS (and FCS) over a much longer period of time has certainly had much more impact.

But the Appy St win was huge at the time and by itself remains the most significant win ever for an FCS over FBS (AA over A) .. and it had more impact than any single NDSU win IMO. Your Iowa win was impressive, but not as much as Appy St upset .. and it's lasting impact of this Iowa win was not close to Appy St upset IMO.Oh I agree, it was a much bigger win than any of the NDSU FBS wins, no doubt but I still do not think that it by itself has brought as much attention to the FCS that the Bison run has.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Oh I agree, it was a much bigger win than any of the NDSU FBS wins, no doubt but I still do not think that it by itself has brought as much attention to the FCS that the Bison run has.
got it, and looks like we do agree

[POD Knows]

got it, and looks like we do agreeI guess I looked at the term "event" and looked at it more broadly than a single game, I guess when you look at a single event, which event brought more attention to FCS as a whole, the App State win or Wentz going in the first round as a QB? I still think the Bison run has brought more attention to FCS that a single game win but I could be wrong.

[Bisonoline]

I guess I looked at the term "event" and looked at it more broadly than a single game, I guess when you look at a single event, which event brought more attention to FCS as a whole, the App State win or Wentz going in the first round as a QB? I still think the Bison run has brought more attention to FCS that a single game win but I could be wrong.

One was almost a historical moment for the people of that era. Then you have a run that is unprecedented for its longevity.

[uni88]

I guess I looked at the term "event" and looked at it more broadly than a single game, I guess when you look at a single event, which event brought more attention to FCS as a whole, the App State win or Wentz going in the first round as a QB? I still think the Bison run has brought more attention to FCS that a single game win but I could be wrong.

Wentz going second was the most recent of a progression of FCS QBs being taken in the draft following Flacco and McNair. Their success plus that of Warner, Gannon, etc. have all helped showcase FCS.

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[TennBison]

Oh I agree, it was a much bigger win than any of the NDSU FBS wins, no doubt but I still do not think that it by itself has brought as much attention to the FCS that the Bison run has.
At the time, that win by App St was the biggest thing to ever happen to the FCS. More than anything else, it brought attention to App St and the sad state that Michigan was in for that year. The FCS in general did not benefit from recognition because of it. However, in the last 10 years, NDSU has far outdone that one single game for their whole body of work. People from all over the country are aware of NDSU and what they have done over a long period of time. No FCS school is even close in national recognition, and the rest of the FCS has gained from it just by being at their level. Not every school has had success individually from it, but people are way more aware of the FCS because of NDSU.
It will take years for any other school to get to the level that NDSU has been at, IF it even happens at all.

[PaladinFan]

At the time, that win by App St was the biggest thing to ever happen to the FCS. More than anything else, it brought attention to App St and the sad state that Michigan was in for that year. The FCS in general did not benefit from recognition because of it. However, in the last 10 years, NDSU has far outdone that one single game for their whole body of work. People from all over the country are aware of NDSU and what they have done over a long period of time. No FCS school is even close in national recognition, and the rest of the FCS has gained from it just by being at their level. Not every school has had success individually from it, but people are way more aware of the FCS because of NDSU.
It will take years for any other school to get to the level that NDSU has been at, IF it even happens at all.

We're discussing semantics here. The "most recognizable" FCS team isn't that recognizable nationally. NDSU, for all their titles, hasn't made the national impact App State did on that day. It literally put FCS football on the map.

I understand the argument. However, NDSU isn't the first dominant program at this level. Long stretches of dominance have been pretty common in FCS football over the last 40 years. NDSU's run has been longer than most, but also notable that most of the other long-time dominant teams aren't in the division anymore.

[POD Knows]

Wentz going second was the most recent of a progression of FCS QBs being taken in the draft following Flacco and McNair. Their success plus that of Warner, Gannon, etc. have all helped showcase FCS.

Sent from my XT1650 using TapatalkI understand that there were FCS QB's that were drafted high but the draft itself, now, is a lot more visible and publicized than it was in the past. There is way more hype now than there was then. It is an event now, not so much years back.

[Redbird 4th & short]

We're discussing semantics here. The "most recognizable" FCS team isn't that recognizable nationally. NDSU, for all their titles, hasn't made the national impact App State did on that day. It literally put FCS football on the map.

I understand the argument. However, NDSU isn't the first dominant program at this level. Long stretches of dominance have been pretty common in FCS football over the last 40 years. NDSU's run has been longer than most, but also notable that most of the other long-time dominant teams aren't in the division anymore.
somebody else has won more than 7 of 8 at FCS/AA level ??

[BEAR]

somebody else has won more than 7 of 8 at FCS/AA level ??

Teams with less titles aren't in the subdivision anymore. Says something doesn't it.

[PaladinFan]

Teams with less titles aren't in the subdivision anymore. Says something doesn't it.

Not really.

The point isn't to negate NDSU's accomplishments, which are impressive. The point is simply to say NDSU didn't exactly put the FCS on the map because they dominated the division. There were teams before NDSU that dominated FCS football. App State did. Georgia Southern did before that. Youngstown. Marshall. An environment where there are one or two dominant teams is notable, but not rare at this level.

[uni88]

I understand that there were FCS QB's that were drafted high but the draft itself, now, is a lot more visible and publicized than it was in the past. There is way more hype now than there was then. It is an event now, not so much years back.

So when it comes to showcasing FCS, Wentz's draft position and the visibility of the draft would be comparable to App State upsetting Michigan while the on-field NFL success of Warner, Flacco, McNair and Gannon would be comparable to the sustained excellence of the Bison over the last 10 years.

[POD Knows]

So when it comes to showcasing FCS, Wentz's draft position and the visibility of the draft would be comparable to App State upsetting Michigan while the on-field NFL success of Warner, Flacco, McNair and Gannon would be comparable to the sustained excellence of the Bison over the last 10 years.All they talked about with Kurt Warner was the fact that he bagged groceries before moving up. There are a lot of great players from FCS that were and are in the pros. I am just not convinced that a single victory by an FCS team over a top FBS team has the lasting effect on the subdivision that the NDSU run has had. Seriously, maybe I missed this, but how much play did the schools really get with Flacco, McNair and Gannon, maybe I missed it but it didn't seem to garner the press that the Wentz deal did. I will state that my opinion is probably biased but I have been following FCS since the Bison made the move and I remember the App State win and the intense coverage it got but it seemed to dissipate fairly quickly. The FCS has had 5 college game days since 2013, they was nothing after the App State deal (2008 Hampton/FAMU) and I know that ESPN College Game Day isn't the end all be all for exposure but it might be better than the fame that App State received in 2007.

This is my position, right or wrong, the App State win was the biggest upset for this division and brought attention to the FCS, the sustained NDSU run and the Wentz draft situation has had a greater effect on the division as a whole and the measurables would be the ESPN exposure in the past 5 or 6 years. I also get the sense that there has been more TV exposure in the past 6 or 7 years but I don't have anything tangible to support that.

Flame away, I have already got one neg rep so apparently I hit a sore spot.

[uni88]

All they talked about with Kurt Warner was the fact that he bagged groceries before moving up. There are a lot of great players from FCS that were and are in the pros. I am just not convinced that a single victory by an FCS team over a top FBS team has the lasting effect on the subdivision that the NDSU run has had. Seriously, maybe I missed this, but how much play did the schools really get with Flacco, McNair and Gannon, maybe I missed it but it didn't seem to garner the press that the Wentz deal did. I will state that my opinion is probably biased but I have been following FCS since the Bison made the move and I remember the App State win and the intense coverage it got but it seemed to dissipate fairly quickly. The FCS has had 5 college game days since 2013, they was nothing after the App State deal (2008 Hampton/FAMU) and I know that ESPN College Game Day isn't the end all be all for exposure but it might be better than the fame that App State received in 2007.

This is my position, right or wrong, the App State win was the biggest upset for this division and brought attention to the FCS, the sustained NDSU run and the Wentz draft situation has had a greater effect on the division as a whole and the measurables would be the ESPN exposure in the past 5 or 6 years. I also get the sense that there has been more TV exposure in the past 6 or 7 years but I don't have anything tangible to support that.

Flame away, I have already got one neg rep so apparently I hit a sore spot.

I'm not going to flame you and I don't think I've ever neg repped anyone.

I do think your perspective is influenced by your allegiance to NDSU. The App State win was yuge and brought a whole lot of attention to App State and FCS/I-AA. NDSU's sustained success has also brought a lot of attention but in 20+ years, I'm not sure anyone outside of North Dakota and the surrounding states will care about it that much. It will be like Dan Gable's success in coaching wrestling at Iowa. It was a big deal at the time but few people outside of hardcore college wrestling fans remember.

NDSU's winning 7 of 8 is current so it seems stronger than App State's win over Michigan. I don't know if it will stand the test of time though.

[Professor Chaos]

It's really tough to quantify and compare the two since they're so different from each other. App St's win over Michigan was more impactful than any single win NDSU football has ever had. NDSU's sustained success has brought more visibility to the subdivision over a period of time than App St ever did in their history.

Both were great but in different ways.

[Professor]

http://www.espn.com/espn/wire/_/section/ncf/id/28364738

[BEAR]

Not really.

The point isn't to negate NDSU's accomplishments, which are impressive. The point is simply to say NDSU didn't exactly put the FCS on the map because they dominated the division. There were teams before NDSU that dominated FCS football. App State did. Georgia Southern did before that. Youngstown. Marshall. An environment where there are one or two dominant teams is notable, but not rare at this level.

So if NDSU dominates the 2010s like they dominated the 2000s and they don't go FBS, I'd be pissed as a fan of the Bison. Do you know how bored their fans should be after 15+ championships with so little competition? How much more exciting is a New Years bowl game and all that comes with it for fans?! Sure another 10 titles in a subdivision is fun for a while but I can't imagine it will be for THAT long. xlolx

[Professor Chaos]

So if NDSU dominates the 2010s like they dominated the 2000s and they don't go FBS, I'd be pissed as a fan of the Bison. Do you know how bored their fans should be after 15+ championships with so little competition? How much more exciting is a New Years bowl game and all that comes with it for fans?! Sure another 10 titles in a subdivision is fun for a while but I can't imagine it will be for THAT long. xlolx
I'll never get bored with it. However, I'd say I'm in a minority there amongst my fellow fans.

I've been a Minnesota pro sports fan (Vikings, Twins, T-Wolves) long enough to appreciate a team of mine being at the top of the heap. There's plenty of reasons why NDSU is not FBS and probably won't be FBS anytime in the near future and most of those reasons aren't competitive in nature.

[POD Knows]

It's really tough to quantify and compare the two since they're so different from each other. App St's win over Michigan was more impactful than any single win NDSU football has ever had. NDSU's sustained success has brought more visibility to the subdivision over a period of time than App St ever did in their history.

Both were great but in different ways.I am going to have to neg rep you for this if you don't watch out. :D