Prosecutor on Vick.................Witnesses?!?

[jstate83]

Wow.................. How shocking.xrolleyesx

After 2 plus weeks of bullshat about a house he never lived in, even the prosecutor had to come out and say HE HAS NO WITNESSES PUTTING VICK AT DOG FIGHTS even though the investigation is on-going.

Shocking that a bunch of people facing jail time would lie to catch a break.
Not shocking that a board full of xlolx internet expert's on everything xlolx had him fitted for stripes the first day.

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No solid evidence on Vick (http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/05/24/0525investigate.html)

Chesapeake, Va. — The prosecutor investigating whether property owned by Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick was part of a dog fighting operation said Wednesday he still doesn't have solid evidence linking Vick to dogfighting.

"I know everybody is saying, 'When are those fools in Surry County going to get up off their butts and do something?'" Gerald Poindexter told The Virginian-Pilot of Norfolk on Wednesday. "But what are we going to do?"


Poindexter said there are no eyewitnesses who say they saw dogfighting at the home where 66 dogs were seized along with equipment that could be associated with dog fighting. The discoveries were made during a drug raid at the home on April 25.

Poindexter told the AJC last week that it appears dogfighting did take place in a room inside the two-story house on the property, but it could take several weeks to determine whether charges would be filed and against whom. At least six people could be involved, Poindexter said. Evidence is still being reviewed to determine if Vick is among those being targeted, Poindexter said

[AppGuy04]

There was a witness at the store putting him buying dog food, but that only proves he knew the existence of the dogs, not that they were fighting. As for that, just b/c there are no witnesses, doesn't mean he isn't guilty. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, its a duck, except for in the legal system.

[CCU97]

so jstate...did OJ do it? I personally wasn't there so I don't know....but people to this day swear he isn't innocent or that he is......

[jstate83]

There was a witness at the store putting him buying dog food, but that only proves he knew the existence of the dogs, not that they were fighting. As for that, just b/c there are no witnesses, doesn't mean he isn't guilty. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, its a duck, except for in the legal system.

In other words.......................No matter what..................He guilty.xlolx
Got it. xthumbsupx

[AppGuy04]

In other words.......................No matter what..................He guilty.xlolx
Got it. xthumbsupx

from the evidence I have seen, he is guilty

can they prove it, not yet

[jstate83]

so jstate...did OJ do it? I personally wasn't there so I don't know....but people to this day swear he isn't innocent or that he is......

O.J...............Again..................14 years later.xnodx
I don't know........................Don't care. xlolx

Why don't you ask that great guy Mark "bigot" Furman or one of the drugged out witnesses that could not keep their story str8 like Resnick or the bum that was staying with him mooching off his money.

Why don't you ask those 2 dumb prosecutors why they had such a crappy line up of evidence?
Why don't you ask the cop who was carrying around a VILE of O.J.'s blood that was taken as a sample from scene to scene before he turned it in...........THAT'S IN THE COURT RECORD YOU KNOW.

And the fact that the only person ya'll still reference is O.J. say's a lot.
Thousands have been murdered since the mid-90's and ya'll act like O.J. is the defining moment in black life, and the defining moment when the court system failed.

"We" had only been saying the court's was a joke for about 100 year's before O.J. and the only answer we would get is THE JURY HAS SPOKEN. xlolx
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[jstate83]

There was a witness at the store putting him buying dog food, but that only proves he knew the existence of the dogs, not that they were fighting. As for that, just b/c there are no witnesses, doesn't mean he isn't guilty. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, its a duck, except for in the legal system.


Did you even read the story.

Even the prosecutor said Vick knew his cousin had a dog kennel there.
Hence...............Few buck for dog food.

Even the prosecutor said that the evedence point's to dog fight's in one rooom in that house.

Even the prosecutor said that NONE of the neighbors have seen evidence of dog fighting at the house and they live RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

[AppGuy04]

Did you even read the story.

Even the prosecutor said Vick knew his cousin had a dog kennel there.
Hence...............Few buck for dog food.

Even the prosecutor said that the evedence point's to dog fight's in one rooom in that house.

Even the prosecutor said that NONE of the neighbors have seen evidence of dog fighting at the house and they live RIGHT NEXT DOOR.

doesn't mean it wasn't happening and doesn't mean Vick didn't know

[PaladinFan]

Michael Vick is a unbelievable polarizing figure among Falcon's fans. Many think he is the second coming and feel as though the national media is out to get him. Others feel as though he's an underachiever at quarterback and wish the 'birds would take their money elsewhere.

This debate surrounds EVERYTHING that Vick does.

[CopperCat]

Another misbehaving player?

Just fire the coach, that will make things all better.xrolleyesx

[PaladinFan]

Another misbehaving player?

Just fire the coach, that will make things all better.xrolleyesx

....we already did that

[BeauFoster]

Why would anyone have 60+ dogs? It reminds me of "Crazy Cat Lady" from The Simpsons. No one has that many dogs, unless they are using them for some sort of business (could be breeding or something other than fighting).

[Appstate29]

Did you even read the story.

Even the prosecutor said Vick knew his cousin had a dog kennel there.
Hence...............Few buck for dog food.



wow you have an excuse for everything Vick does don't you??? If he was buying the dog food then he knew there were dogs at the house, if he was at the house with the dog food he saw the dogs...if he saw the dogs then he would see the scars (I don't know if any of you have seen fight dogs before, but I have at the humane society in Charlotte and they are not pretty)...you see the natural progression of things here??

[jstate83]

doesn't mean it wasn't happening and doesn't mean Vick didn't know

Like I said earlier.........................To you.................He guilty no matter what.xlolx
Got it........AGAIN. xthumbsupx

[jstate83]

wow you have an excuse for everything Vick does don't you??? If he was buying the dog food then he knew there were dogs at the house, if he was at the house with the dog food he saw the dogs...if he saw the dogs then he would see the scars (I don't know if any of you have seen fight dogs before, but I have at the humane society in Charlotte and they are not pretty)...you see the natural progression of things here??

First....................How the he!! do you know what Vick saw.
I understand you know more than the prosecutor that's THERE ON THE SCENE.
Maybe you can go down and give him and the police your expert internet help. xlolx



Can you comprehend what you even read in the story?
The PROSECUTOR said that..............I didn't.
You love to label people don't you.
I have excuses..........Show me 1 excuse I GAVE.
I just quoted what the PROSECUTOR said.xlolx

Try reading the story without picking and choosing what you WANT the story to say.
The PROSECUTOR was pretty cut and dry about what HE said...........NOT WHAT I SAID.

Again...............No matter what...............He guilty to you.
just admit it.

I could care less.
I don't spend my time like ya'll getting all bug eyed about someone that don't even know I'm alive. xlolx

[bandl]

One thing to keep in mind is that the prosecutor, Gerald Poindexter, doesn't have the final say concerning whether or not this will go to trial. In fact, not all of the evidence, leads, hearsay (which seems to be the majority of the 'evidence' at this point), tips, etc. have been presented to Poindexter yet until it has all been thoroughly examined by the task force. There seems to be a vote of 'no-faith' in Poindexter among the task force since he appears to be burying his head in the sand. Also, it should be noted that some of the other investigators on the task force have already come out to refute Poindexter's statements about lack of evidence. “There is more evidence there than has been used to convict several other people in Virginia”

[GannonFan]

I'm not jumping to any conclusions with Vick yet - I'll wait to see if they have a case yet or not. I don't think we know enough about it yet. Obviously the guy who was living there is in for some serious jail time - despite what the Clinton Portis's of the world think this is pretty serious - if Vick was there, well, he's screwed too, but we'll have to wait to see. At the best for Vick, he's just naive and has terrible judgement in who he rents/gives his house to - not uncommon among professional athletes. Still too early to know anything - have they even brought charges against anyone in this yet?

[jstate83]

I'm not jumping to any conclusions with Vick yet - I'll wait to see if they have a case yet or not. I don't think we know enough about it yet. Obviously the guy who was living there is in for some serious jail time - despite what the Clinton Portis's of the world think this is pretty serious - if Vick was there, well, he's screwed too, but we'll have to wait to see. At the best for Vick, he's just naive and has terrible judgement in who he rents/gives his house to - not uncommon among professional athletes. Still too early to know anything - have they even brought charges against anyone in this yet?

xlolx My homeboy went off didn't he. xlolx

I understand where he was comming from on WHAT HE SAID ABOUT MISSISSIPPI................ESPECIALLY THE LAURAL AREA WHERE HE'S FROM.
Everybody here know that this shat happens and some of the most prominant people in this region participates.............I never would and Portis don't either.

He just said that he could easily take you to where this shat happens down here.
I don't have any interest, but I could do the same also.
Portis should have left it alone and stayed out of business that was not his. xlolx

Like you...................If evidence comes out Vick knew what his cousin was doing outside of running a Kennel and participated in this crap, then he should be dealt with they way the law say's he should be.

Right now, the prosecutor said no evidence or witnesses point to Vick knowing about his cousin using 1 ROOM IN A BIG ARSE HOUSE FOR DOG FIGHTING.

Besides, the police didn't even know until they went there on a DRUG WARRENT/Investigation.
They didn't go to that house investigating DOG FIGHTING.

[GannonFan]

xlolx My homeboy went off didn't he. xlolx

I understand where he was comming from on WHAT HE SAID ABOUT MISSISSIPPI................ESPECIALLY THE LAURAL AREA WHERE HE'S FROM.
Everybody here know that this shat happens and some of the most prominant people in this region participates.............I never would and Portis don't either.

He just said that he could easily take you to where this shat happens down here.
I don't have any interest, but I could do the same also.


Portis should have left it alone. xlolx

It was almost as ill-advised as the AI "practice" press conference a few years ago. Sometimes you just have to know when to keep your mouth shut and don't say anything. What's the old saying, "It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and leave no doubt"? Portis didn't do his public image any good saying what he was saying - and heck, the video of him saying it looks even worse with the laughing and giggling. Who does PR for these guys???

[B&G]

O.J...............Again..................14 years later.xnodx
I don't know........................Don't care. xlolx

Why don't you ask that great guy Mark "bigot" Furman or one of the drugged out witnesses that could not keep their story str8 like Resnick or the bum that was staying with him mooching off his money.

Why don't you ask those 2 dumb prosecutors why they had such a crappy line up of evidence?
Why don't you ask the cop who was carrying around a VILE of O.J.'s blood that was taken as a sample from scene to scene before he turned it in...........THAT'S IN THE COURT RECORD YOU KNOW.

And the fact that the only person ya'll still reference is O.J. say's a lot.
Thousands have been murdered since the mid-90's and ya'll act like O.J. is the defining moment in black life, and the defining moment when the court system failed.

"We" had only been saying the court's was a joke for about 100 year's before O.J. and the only answer we would get is THE JURY HAS SPOKEN. xlolx
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Y'all? When did this turn into a race thing? White people are the only ones talking about OJ? I guess I didn't actually see all of those OJ jokes on The Chappelle Show a couple of years ago. That was a really ignorant thing for you to say. xnonox The fact is that people assume Vick is guilty b/c he has been tied to a number of other boneheaded activities off the field. That is the reputation HE built. If this were Champ Bailey, Orlando Pace, Vince Young or hundreds of other black NFL players, then I think people wouldn't be as quick to judge. xnodx

[bandl]

It was almost as ill-advised as the AI "practice" press conference a few years ago. Sometimes you just have to know when to keep your mouth shut and don't say anything. What's the old saying, "It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and leave no doubt"? Portis didn't do his public image any good saying what he was saying - and heck, the video of him saying it looks even worse with the laughing and giggling. Who does PR for these guys???

Believe it or not though, Portis's image didn't take much of a hit in the D.C. area. People love him here. xnodx although a good number of people are starting to warm up to Bettis too and would like him to take the #1 RB spot for the Skins xeekx

[jstate83]

Y'all? When did this turn into a race thing? White people are the only ones talking about OJ? I guess I didn't actually see all of those OJ jokes on The Chappelle Show a couple of years ago. That was a really ignorant thing for you to say. xnonox The fact is that people assume Vick is guilty b/c he has been tied to a number of other boneheaded activities off the field. That is the reputation HE built. If this were Champ Bailey, Orlando Pace, Vince Young or hundreds of other black NFL players, then I think people wouldn't be as quick to judge. xnodx


Man ..................xlolx
***** OJ., Goldman, Brown, A.C., Resnick, Ratboy tha Moocher, and everybody else connected to a case that happened over a decade ago.xlolx
I don't care one way or another.....................Lawd. xlolx


As for the last part......................Yeah RIGHT!!!!!!! xlolx



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[spelunker64]

If they step forward and Vick goes away, there goes the party wagon they've been mooching off of. Of course they're not going to come forward.

[jstate83]

It was almost as ill-advised as the AI "practice" press conference a few years ago. Sometimes you just have to know when to keep your mouth shut and don't say anything. What's the old saying, "It's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and leave no doubt"? Portis didn't do his public image any good saying what he was saying - and heck, the video of him saying it looks even worse with the laughing and giggling. Who does PR for these guys???

Yep......................Neither meant any harm but they should know anything said is going to be streached to the limit. xlolx

[jstate83]

If they step forward and Vick goes away, there goes the party wagon they've been mooching off of. Of course they're not going to come forward.

Could be................That's one way of looking at it.
Problem is Vick has took the Gravy train away by selling the crib out from under ole boy at a loss.
So that don't make sense cause the Gravy has already been taken away.

Then again...................The mofo that was staying there doing this shat could easily hide dog's from Vick that was used for fighting.
I know if I had a rich cousin that bought me a $750,000 house, whenever I know he's comming, everything ILLEGAL is going to put under wraps until he leaves.

[spelunker64]

Could be................That's one way of looking at it.
Problem is Vick has took the Gravy train away by selling the crib out from under ole boy at a loss.
So that don't make sense cause the Gravy has already been taken away.

Then again...................The mofo that was staying there doing this shat could easily hid dog's from Vick that was used for fighting.
I know if I had a rich cousin that bought me a $750,000 house, whenever I know he's comming, everything ILLEGAL is going to put under wraps until he leaves.



Gravy train, that's the term I was looking for. Party wagon xsmhx xoopsx

[B&G]

Maybe what Portis said was ill-advised but I'm not mad at him. He's just saying the truth which is that dogfighting isn't all that uncommon. Of course now it will be met by overreaction and PETA will probably be boycotting the NFL.

[GannonFan]

Maybe what Portis said was ill-advised but I'm not mad at him. He's just saying the truth which is that dogfighting isn't all that uncommon. Of course now it will be met by overreaction and PETA will probably be boycotting the NFL.

Well, he also said it wasn't a big deal and that's where he's wrong. You just can't torture, maim, and kill dogs at your leisure, and that's basically what Portis was saying was ok. And again, where is his PR guy letting him spout off like that for the better part of an hour.

[jstate83]

Well, he also said it wasn't a big deal and that's where he's wrong. You just can't torture, maim, and kill dogs at your leisure, and that's basically what Portis was saying was ok. And again, where is his PR guy letting him spout off like that for the better part of an hour.

True.

But you have to remember that Portis GREW UP in an area where this shat was as common as sandlot football in the summer.
He grew up knowing that officials and "upstanding citizens" knew about and participated in this crap.

Think about it.
You grow up hearing about this shat and the biggest response from law enforcement is "if we see it, we will do something then", it's not a big deal TO HIM.

Even though he don't participate, I think this is just a case of what people experience growing up in different part's of the country.
Down here, Portis comment's didn't even make any of the local news sport's cast's even though it was carried by ESPN, etc.

It was basically ......................... NO BIG DEAL...............THE WORDS.

BTW: Did any of ya'll know that COCK FIGHTING was still legal in Lousiana?
It will still be until 2008.
Roy Jones openly raises Fighting Cock's down in Florida.
Each one has it's own little house lined up in neat row's like pet dog's.

Roy Jones buy's cock fighting arena in Louisana in 2005 (http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/hulk_hogan_takes_roy_jones_jr_to_the_mat_on_cockfi ghting.html)

Different regions, different mindset's.

[tribe_pride]

True.

But you have to remember that Portis GREW UP in an area where this shat was as common as sandlot football in the summer.
He grew up knowing that officials and "upstanding citizens" knew about and participated in this crap.

Think about it.
You grow up hearing about this shat and the biggest response from law enforcement is "if we see it, we will do something then", it's not a big deal TO HIM.

Even though he don't participate, I think this is just a case of what people experience growing up in different part's of the country.
Down here, Portis comment's didn't even make any of the local news sport's cast's even though it was carried by ESPN, etc.

It was basically ......................... NO BIG DEAL...............THE WORDS.

BTW: Did any of ya'll know that COCK FIGHTING was still legal in Lousiana?
It will still be until 2008.
Roy Jones openly raises Fighting Cock's down in Florida.
Each one has it's own little house lined up in neat row's like pet dog's.

Roy Jones buy's cock fighting arena in Louisana in 2005 (http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/hulk_hogan_takes_roy_jones_jr_to_the_mat_on_cockfi ghting.html)

Different regions, different mindset's.

Hope Jones is not cockfighting in Florida because that is illegal. Louisiana has also introduced measures to make it illegal.

As for Vick, I may be wrong, but I have not seen anywhere where the prosecutor has said he should be charged. The police are right to investigate his knowledge because he did own the property but I have not seen them say anything about charging him or that he is guilty. It is more the press and others on the outside that have already convicted him.

As for Portis, he may say it is no big deal but he said that if Vick wants to fight his own dogs on his own property that is fine. That is not true. You can't do whatever you want to your own dogs, children, family, etc. He may not see it as a big deal but it is a felony in Virginia so it is a big deal.

[B&G]

True.

But you have to remember that Portis GREW UP in an area where this shat was as common as sandlot football in the summer.
He grew up knowing that officials and "upstanding citizens" knew about and participated in this crap.

Think about it.
You grow up hearing about this shat and the biggest response from law enforcement is "if we see it, we will do something then", it's not a big deal TO HIM.

Even though he don't participate, I think this is just a case of what people experience growing up in different part's of the country.
Down here, Portis comment's didn't even make any of the local news sport's cast's even though it was carried by ESPN, etc.

It was basically ......................... NO BIG DEAL...............THE WORDS.

BTW: Did any of ya'll know that COCK FIGHTING was still legal in Lousiana?
It will still be until 2008.
Roy Jones openly raises Fighting Cock's down in Florida.
Each one has it's own little house lined up in neat row's like pet dog's.

Roy Jones buy's cock fighting arena in Louisana in 2005 (http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/hulk_hogan_takes_roy_jones_jr_to_the_mat_on_cockfi ghting.html)

Different regions, different mindset's.

Exactly. Some places the populace would be sick if they saw someone eating a cow. Here it is no big deal.

[GannonFan]

True.

But you have to remember that Portis GREW UP in an area where this shat was as common as sandlot football in the summer.
He grew up knowing that officials and "upstanding citizens" knew about and participated in this crap.

Think about it.
You grow up hearing about this shat and the biggest response from law enforcement is "if we see it, we will do something then", it's not a big deal TO HIM.

Even though he don't participate, I think this is just a case of what people experience growing up in different part's of the country.
Down here, Portis comment's didn't even make any of the local news sport's cast's even though it was carried by ESPN, etc.

It was basically ......................... NO BIG DEAL...............THE WORDS.

BTW: Did any of ya'll know that COCK FIGHTING was still legal in Lousiana?
It will still be until 2008.
Roy Jones openly raises Fighting Cock's down in Florida.
Each one has it's own little house lined up in neat row's like pet dog's.

Roy Jones buy's cock fighting arena in Louisana in 2005 (http://www.hsus.org/press_and_publications/press_releases/hulk_hogan_takes_roy_jones_jr_to_the_mat_on_cockfi ghting.html)

Different regions, different mindset's.

But that's a weak defense - that's fine if Portis was a child and didn't know any better, but he's a grown man and fully capable of discerning right from wrong. And he's in an area now where it's clearly not right. Using your defense of just doing whatever people in your region did then, and not to overdramatize this but, how could you hold white Southerners to account when they aggressively defended segregation back in the 40's, 50's, 60's (and before and after that?) - heck, they were just doing what they saw people, and people in authority, doing. I'm sure it wasn't a big deal for them. xrolleyesx Eventually, though, you can't live in the bubble that is your sheltered existence - you have to realize that what you grew up in may not be morally acceptable to the rest of the society you live in. xthumbsupx

[Marcus Garvey]

Who's going to rat on Vick? His posse? Like they're going to give up that gravy train! xrolleyesx

[spelunker64]

Who's going to rat on Vick? His posse? Like they're going to give up that gravy train! xrolleyesx


See posts 23, 24, and 26 xsmiley_wix :D

[jstate83]

But that's a weak defense - that's fine if Portis was a child and didn't know any better, but he's a grown man and fully capable of discerning right from wrong. And he's in an area now where it's clearly not right. Using your defense of just doing whatever people in your region did then, and not to overdramatize this but, how could you hold white Southerners to account when they aggressively defended segregation back in the 40's, 50's, 60's (and before and after that?) - heck, they were just doing what they saw people, and people in authority, doing. I'm sure it wasn't a big deal for them. xrolleyesx Eventually, though, you can't live in the bubble that is your sheltered existence - you have to realize that what you grew up in may not be morally acceptable to the rest of the society you live in. xthumbsupx

Forget it.xsmhx
Mountain out of an ant hill. xlolx
Everybody want to OVER ANALYZE everything. xsmhx

We have gone to camparing white southerners in the 40's and 50's to Portis talking about how easy it is to find a dog fight. xsmhx
Trust me.................THERE IS NO COMPARISON TO SOUTHERN WHITES IN THE 40'S, ETC. xsmhx


And BTW: It wasn't just WHITE's from the South.
View the footage of those love everybody white people in Chicago when they attacked MLK when he marched there.

But I ain't even gonna get into that on this board.

[GannonFan]

Forget it.xsmhx
Mountain out of an ant hill. xlolx

We have gone to camparing white southerners in the 40's and 50's to Portis talking about how easy it is to find a dog fight. xsmhx

Not how easy it is to find one, but how dog fighting is "no big deal" and they're "his dogs, he can do whatever he wants to them". And how you just can't say "well, that's how it is where I grow up so I obviously can't change my beliefs in light of the general society outside of where I grew up". And like I said, I didn't want to overdramatize it either, but you just can't fall back on the "they do it back home" defense to excuse clear criminal behavior. xthumbsupx

[jstate83]

Not how easy it is to find one, but how dog fighting is "no big deal" and they're "his dogs, he can do whatever he wants to them". And how you just can't say "well, that's how it is where I grow up so I obviously can't change my beliefs in light of the general society outside of where I grew up". And like I said, I didn't want to overdramatize it either, but you just can't fall back on the "they do it back home" defense to excuse clear criminal behavior. xthumbsupx

OK man....................WHITE FLAG.
They asked him his opinion and he answered with a str8 answer. xsmhx
Let's lock Portis up too cause people outside this region will act like he Hitler or someone now. xlolx
People here take it for what it is.....................WORDS.

[GannonFan]

OK man....................WHITE FLAG.
They asked him his opinion and he answered with a str8 answer. xsmhx
Let's lock Portis up too. xlolx

Nonsense, he didn't commit a crime - doesn't mean he can't be lampooned for being a buffoon, though. Last I checked, that doesn't carry a prison sentence. I can still laugh at him! xlolx xlolx xlolx :p

[B&G]

Look at it another way... say Brett Favre (from MS) commented that he thinks it's no big deal. How do you think people would react? Personally I think it would be a big blow to his image. Maybe even moreso to his than it has been to Portis' rep. In both cases I would applaud the athlete for giving his real opinion but in both cases they should know the ramifications of saying something like that. People make fun of athletes for giving cliche answers during interviews. This is a prime example of why they do it.

[jstate83]

Look at it another way... say Brett Favre (from MS) commented that he thinks it's no big deal. How do you think people would react? Personally I think it would be a big blow to his image. Maybe even moreso to his than it has been to Portis' rep. In both cases I would applaud the athlete for giving his real opinion but in both cases they should know the ramifications of saying something like that. People make fun of athletes for giving cliche answers during interviews. This is a prime example of why they do it.

I wouldn't give a single interview outside of the manditory interviews the sport I'm in say I have to do. xlolx

Then I would be labeled a JERK simply because I don't want to talk to people I don't know. xlolx

[spelunker64]

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[GannonFan]

I wouldn't give a single interview outside of the manditory interviews the sport I'm in say I have to do. xlolx

Then I would be labeled a JERK simply because I don't want to talk to people I don't know. xlolx


Dealing with the media is part of the job of being a professional athlete - it's all part of the territory. Nothing wrong with saying no comment or pulling out the tired, Bull Durham cliches - "I'm just doing what I can to help the team. I'm just glad to be here", etc. There are a lot of boring interviews out there. xthumbsupx

[jstate83]

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When you can't make up any more lie's.............Go for the usual. xlolx
Ain't my fault the prosecutor came out and said something different than what you were hoping for. xlolx

As for your post..............xrolleyesx
I just love to fawn all over MEN I don't know and never will know.xrolleyesx
I'll leave the hero worship or hero hate to ya'll. xnodx

I got my own personal life to live. xnodx

[spelunker64]

Just giving ya a hard time, sometimes this board seems to get tooooo personal or serious and we need to laugh a little. ;)

[jstate83]

Just giving ya a hard time, sometimes this board seems to get tooooo personal or serious and we need to laugh a little. ;)


I know.
It's funny to me though how people sometimes take their post so serious on these boards, they honestly think their opinion on a situation will make a difference in what's actually happening.

YEAH.............I KNOW.............FREEDOM OF SPEECH.xrolleyesx
Unless it's not P.C. Speech. xlolx


I don't care how it comes out.................xsmiley_wix
Vick ain't my relative but I damm sure wish he would buy me a $750,000 dollar house. xlolx

[spelunker64]

I know.
It's funny to me though how people sometimes take their post so serious on these boards, they honestly think their opinion on a situation will make a difference in what's actually happening.

YEAH.............I KNOW.............FREEDOM OF SPEECH.xrolleyesx
Unless it's not P.C. Speech. xlolx


I don't care how it comes out.................xsmiley_wix
Vick ain't my relative but I damm sure wish he would buy me a $750,000 dollar house. xlolx


xnodx xnodx xnodx :D

[SU Jag]

Another Black athlete=another witch huntxcoffeex Vick owns a kennel, he sales dogs! Bottom lne!xcoffeex

[SU Jag]

There was a witness at the store putting him buying dog food, but that only proves he knew the existence of the dogs, not that they were fighting. As for that, just b/c there are no witnesses, doesn't mean he isn't guilty. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, its a duck, except for in the legal system.


Wow! So its their word against his and you atutomatically picked their word? Anyway whats illegal about buying dog food? The media drug ths cat throght the mud for 3 damn weeks and once again the story was B.S. The media never said 'Im sorry" for the water bottle thing which turned out to be just a regular damn water bottle. They drug Mike Vick for that B.S. Seems like someone is out to get him!xnodx As far as your duck analogy, people (white people)say the same sh^t about me! Looks like a duck(young black man with dreads, earings, iced-out necklace, and ect.), walks like a duck(confident and I walk with a swagger), talks like a duck(talks street slang, strong ebony dialect) it must be a,YOU'RE WRONG(college educated, barbershop playa hated, head cheerleader prom dated, school of denistry student, hard working man, owns his own home, two cars, a family man, no run-ins with the law,family man) so I guess I'm a bear!

[seantaylor]

Another Black athlete=another witch huntxcoffeex Vick owns a kennel, he sales dogs! Bottom lne!xcoffeex


Yep. Those DA's just hate the black athlete in Surrey, Virginia. They are going after them like Mexicans.

[Cleets]

O.J...............Again..................14 years later.xnodx
I don't know........................Don't care. xlolx

Why don't you ask that great guy Mark "bigot" Furman or one of the drugged out witnesses that could not keep their story str8 like Resnick or the bum that was staying with him mooching off his money.

Why don't you ask those 2 dumb prosecutors why they had such a crappy line up of evidence?
Why don't you ask the cop who was carrying around a VILE of O.J.'s blood that was taken as a sample from scene to scene before he turned it in...........THAT'S IN THE COURT RECORD YOU KNOW.

And the fact that the only person ya'll still reference is O.J. say's a lot.
Thousands have been murdered since the mid-90's and ya'll act like O.J. is the defining moment in black life, and the defining moment when the court system failed.

"We" had only been saying the court's was a joke for about 100 year's before O.J. and the only answer we would get is THE JURY HAS SPOKEN. xlolx
xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

this is all correct...
nobody could have been convicted on that kind of evidence...

there was some seriously strange counter evidence showing O.J. as "not guilty"

that case was *****ed up...something was seriously wrong...xnonox

[UncleSam]

All this story proves is that Michael Vick is just as inept as a dog breeder as he is an NFL QB.

[jstate83]

All this story proves is that Michael Vick is just as inept as a dog breeder as he is an NFL QB.

You could have kept that comment.
Show's your lack on knowledge.xlolx

All this proves is FAMILY MEMBERS with their hand out can be bigger enemies and threat's than strangers cause a person TRUST FAMILY to do the right thing.

As for him as a QB.............Name 1 QB Atlanta has had that has even come close to Micheal Vick.
If anything, Vick need to leave that FAIR WEATHER SPORT's city.

Why the hell you gonna make a duel threat QB a drop back passer.
They didn't do it with ELWAY so why is everyone on VICK's arse for having the same type of "game".

Vick leaves the Pigeons, they become the SAINT's consistant BYOTCH all over again.............and a afterthought as far as the NFL.xlolx

[seantaylor]

You could have kept that comment.
Show's your lack on knowledge.xlolx

All this proves is FAMILY MEMBERS with their hand out can be bigger enemies and threat's than strangers cause a person TRUST FAMILY to do the right thing.

As for him as a QB.............Name 1 QB Atlanta has had that has even come close to Micheal Vick.
If anything, Vick need to leave that FAIR WEATHER SPORT's city.

Why the hell you gonna make a duel threat QB a drop back passer.
They didn't do it with ELWAY so why is everyone on VICK's arse for having the same type of "game".

Vick leaves the Pigeons, they become the SAINT's consistant BYOTCH all over again.............and a afterthought as far as the NFL.xlolx


Vick isn't a dual threat. He is the worst passer in the league.

[UncleSam]

You could have kept that comment.
Show's your lack on knowledge.xlolx

They didn't do it with ELWAY so why is everyone on VICK's arse for having the same type of "game".



You have the nerve to compare Vick to Elway and you claim that I lack knowledge??? xnutsx

[BeauFoster]

Uh-oh....


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2884063&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos1


Sounds like someone can place Vick at the scene. This casts some light on Vick's possible involvement with the atrocious "game" of dog fighting.

[lambertjr]

This is another hit on Vicks career. There is no doubt he was one of the most exciting athletes in the league.
There is considerable doubt on his judgement. I don't know of many QBs who have bad judgement.
It will not surprise me if the NFL suspends him for 4-8 games.

[jstate83]

You have the nerve to compare Vick to Elway and you claim that I lack knowledge??? xnutsx


AHH...............You the one comming in here with sarcastic statements and can't even comprehend what I said.xlolx

Elway was a threat to PASS and RUN.
They never put him in a box where he didn't have the option to do either.

Why is VICK trying to be converted into a PURE POCKET PASSER.
It would help if he had some receivers in the PAST that can get off the line without being "chucked" out their jocks and a coaching staff that didn't turn over every 2 years.
It's sad when the best receiver, your biggest down field threat on your team is the TIGHT END............Krumpler. xlolx

Did you understand that.
I hate SPOONFEEDING GROWN folks. xlolx

[jstate83]

Uh-oh....


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2884063&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos1


Sounds like someone can place Vick at the scene. This casts some light on Vick's possible involvement with the atrocious "game" of dog fighting.


OK.................So a police INFORMANT suddenly realized 6 years later that VICK was at a dog fight a year BEFORE he got drafted into the NFL.
He's the ONLY one that has seen him...................HUMMMMMMMMMMM.............6 years ago. xlolx

INFORMANT..............Someone trying to get a better deal for himself.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO K. xlolx

[PaladinFan]

How long until Vick becomes that great QB? Really. This is year six and the Falcons are no better than they were in year one. Heck, Chris Chandler even got us to the superbowl.

Comparing Elway and Vick on any level is nuts.

[BeauFoster]

OK.................So a police INFORMANT suddenly realized 6 years later that VICK was at a dog fight a year BEFORE he got drafted into the NFL.
He's the ONLY one that has seen him...................HUMMMMMMMMMMM.............6 years ago. xlolx

INFORMANT..............Someone trying to get a better deal for himself.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO K. xlolx


Hey, all I can say is that it is just another peice of evidence that may connect Vick with dog fighting.


that VICK was at a dog fight a year

Not only was he just at the fight, it was his dog fighting


He's the ONLY one that has seen him..................

This could be the first of many to come forward. It is an ongoing investigation...

I am not convicting Vick, I am just saying that there is a growing amount of evidence that suggests that he may be involved.

[jstate83]

How long until Vick becomes that great QB? Really. This is year six and the Falcons are no better than they were in year one. Heck, Chris Chandler even got us to the superbowl.

Comparing Elway and Vick on any level is nuts.

Did you read the last post I made.
KRUMPLER is the best WR the buzzards can put on the field.xlolx
They just got HORN and he's on his last legs.


Don't even talk about Cris Everett. xlolx
I watched him take dives for my team, RAMS, for years.
I celebrated when he left.
You touch that guy and he's calling for the doctor. xlolx

[UncleSam]

AHH...............You the one comming in here with sarcastic statements and can't even comprehend what I said.xlolx

Elway was a threat to PASS and RUN.
They never put him in a box where he didn't have the option to do either.

Why is VICK trying to be converted into a PURE POCKET PASSER.
It would help if he had some receivers in the PAST that can get off the line without being "chucked" out their jocks and a coaching staff that didn't turn over every 2 years.
It's sad when the best receiver, your biggest down field threat on your team is the TIGHT END............Krumpler. xlolx

Did you understand that.
I hate SPOONFEEDING GROWN folks. xlolx

Lack of offensive talent surroundng Michael Vick isn't the problem, Donovan McNabb has played seven of his eight NFL years with very marginal NFL receivers and yet he is a far more accomplished and productive QB than is Michael Vick. Vick's biggest problem continues to be that he's far more interested in reading the opposition pass rush as opposed to their pass coverage. Anyone can see that Vick is a great athlete, but he's far from a great QB. Sure he can make the spectacular play, with his feet, but he doesn't make nearly enough routine plays with his head and arm. Take a look at the '06 NFL QB rankings and you'll find Mr Vick way down at #20, behind very marginal NFL QBs like Carr, Losman. Garrard, Kitna and Eli Manning. In addition, Vick has had only one season (his 2d) when he had a QB rating of over 80 (81.6) and he has a very mediocre career passer rating of just 75.7. As I said, when it comes to NFL QBs, Vick is over-rated and the stats prove it.

[kardplayer]

I'm struggling with trying to decide whether Vick is a good NFL QB or not...

1. Using QB rating to rating him is just not right. His running is far too good to compare him just on passing #'s. Do I care if he threw for 600 yards less than JP Losman and had a lower rating? Not really, since he ran for 1,000 yards too.
2. Do I think he's got subpar receivers. Yeah, he probably does, although I haven't watched films to know whether he's missing them, or they can't get open. Couple things though... Jenkins is a former first rounder who just finished his third year - the year most good receivers "pop" and get a good season... Ashley Lelie had less yards and TD's than he ever had in Denver...
3. The Falcons had the 25th most points in the NFL last year. Although you can't blame the QB, its hard to argue its the running game when Dunn and Norwood combined for almost 1800 yards on the ground. They were 14th in '05, 16th in '04, so I'm not sure what to think there.
4. Matt Schaub had worse numbers than Vick in spot duty all of those years, so its not like his backup was lighting it up.

I think there's more there that says the Falcons struggles are not all on Vick's shoulders...

[PaladinFan]

I don't know if you were watching, but Atlanta had 3 first round picks at WR on the field last year (Lelie, White, and Jenkins). They did suffer the loss of Finneran, but it's not like Vick made the players around him better. The talent was there.

[kardplayer]

I don't know if you were watching, but Atlanta had 3 first round picks at WR on the field last year (Lelie, White, and Jenkins). They did suffer the loss of Finneran, but it's not like Vick made the players around him better. The talent was there.

One thing to consider is that WR's generally take at least 3 years to develop.

Like I said, Lelie has put up better (but not good) numbers elsewhere. That said, receivers in a new system often struggle as well.

Jenkins could have popped last year, but if he doesn't this year, either he's a bust or ...

White is still young too, but again, its getting close to put up or shut up time for him.

He also had Peerless Price for awhile and didn't get much from him...

What does this mean? I would say this is a make or break year for Vick and the Falcons. Given the pedigree of his receivers and now their tenure, they need to get to the top 10 in points scored or I'd move squarely to the "Vick isn't getting it done" pile.

[813Jag]

I think the Falcons got off on the wrong foot with Vick from the start. They let him be that run around make plays QB, then down the line they go to a West Coast offense and expect him to adapt. If that's what they wanted they should have did it from the start. It falls on the whole team (Vick included), the coaches and Arthur Blank.

[B&G]

Roger Goodell has put himself in a pickle by giving such ironfisted punishments to Chris Henry and Pacman Jones. Now he's got one of the faces of the league in hot water. I'll be interested to see what kind of sentence Vick would get from the league IF any concrete evidence is brought to light.

[AZGrizFan]

O.J...............Again..................14 years later.xnodx
I don't know........................Don't care. xlolx

Why don't you ask that great guy Mark "bigot" Furman or one of the drugged out witnesses that could not keep their story str8 like Resnick or the bum that was staying with him mooching off his money.

Why don't you ask those 2 dumb prosecutors why they had such a crappy line up of evidence?
Why don't you ask the cop who was carrying around a VILE of O.J.'s blood that was taken as a sample from scene to scene before he turned it in...........THAT'S IN THE COURT RECORD YOU KNOW.

And the fact that the only person ya'll still reference is O.J. say's a lot.
Thousands have been murdered since the mid-90's and ya'll act like O.J. is the defining moment in black life, and the defining moment when the court system failed.

"We" had only been saying the court's was a joke for about 100 year's before O.J. and the only answer we would get is THE JURY HAS SPOKEN. xlolx
xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

xconfusedx xconfusedx That's quite a diatribe for not caring... xconfusedx xconfusedx

[AppGuy04]

xconfusedx xconfusedx That's quite a diatribe for not caring... xconfusedx xconfusedx

you can actually read and understand what he writes?xconfusedx xsmiley_wix

[jstate83]

xconfusedx xconfusedx That's quite a diatribe for not caring... xconfusedx xconfusedx

Just thought I'd throw in a few COURT RECORD FACT's to off set all the twisted statement's thrown out.

Besides.................I didn't bring up O.J.xlolx
And no................I could care less than a damm about either side of the O.J. case 14 years later.

Wish all of them would go away.xlolx

[jstate83]

you can actually read and understand what he writes?xconfusedx xsmiley_wix

Piont is you only read what you waht shat to be. xlolx
You don't take time to understand what someone is saying. xlolx

[jstate83]

BTW: The last few statement's discussin VICK as a QB was good.
It take's into fact that he didn't have any receiver's in the past and now that he finally got some, they young and have to develope.

Why you gonna take away his running ability when it's such an effective weapon.

[HIU 93]

Well, he also said it wasn't a big deal and that's where he's wrong. You just can't torture, maim, and kill dogs at your leisure, and that's basically what Portis was saying was ok.

No, that isn't what he was saying. He was saying, in plain English, that he didn't see that much of an issue with dogfighting. Neither do I. So PETA needs to go on and boycott me now, because I ate a steak for lunch, I have on leather shoes, I bought my wife a fur for her birthday, and I don't see a big deal with dogfighting, dog racing, horse racing, or target shooting birds and squirrels in your backyard with a BB Gun (I used to do that when I was little).

[UncleSam]

No, that isn't what he was saying. He was saying, in plain English, that he didn't see that much of an issue with dogfighting. Neither do I.

Since dog fighting is illegal nationwide and a felony in 48 states, you probably should see "an issue".

[UncleSam]

No, that isn't what he was saying. He was saying, in plain English, that he didn't see that much of an issue with dogfighting. Neither do I.

Since dog fighting is illegal nationwide and a felony in 48 states (including VA and GA), you probably should see "an issue".

[GannonFan]

No, that isn't what he was saying. He was saying, in plain English, that he didn't see that much of an issue with dogfighting. Neither do I. So PETA needs to go on and boycott me now, because I ate a steak for lunch, I have on leather shoes, I bought my wife a fur for her birthday, and I don't see a big deal with dogfighting, dog racing, horse racing, or target shooting birds and squirrels in your backyard with a BB Gun (I used to do that when I was little).

Well dogfighting is basically tortuing, maiming, and killing of dogs (well, the ones who lose and often the ones who win as well) so that's what he was saying. And like the other poster said, dogfighting is a felony in 48 states and a misdemeanor in one other. So unless all of this was going on in Idaho (the only state where dogfighting is legal) then he or anyone else involved in it was breaking the law. Eating steak, or wearing fur or leather, or dog racing, or horse racing are not illegal activities so you should be okay. xthumbsupx

[HIU 93]

Since dog fighting is illegal nationwide and a felony in 48 states, you probably should see "an issue".

Abortion is legal. Should people not boycott it, even though it against their morals?

I don't see a problem with dogfighting. I don't fight dogs. Just because you don't see a problem with something doesn't mean that you participate in it.

[HIU 93]

Well dogfighting is basically tortuing, maiming, and killing of dogs (well, the ones who lose and often the ones who win as well) so that's what he was saying. And like the other poster said, dogfighting is a felony in 48 states and a misdemeanor in one other. So unless all of this was going on in Idaho (the only state where dogfighting is legal) then he or anyone else involved in it was breaking the law. Eating steak, or wearing fur or leather, or dog racing, or horse racing are not illegal activities so you should be okay. xthumbsupx

I should be great, because I don't fight dogs, either.xthumbsupx

I still don't have an issue with it, whether it is illegal or not.

[GannonFan]

I should be great, because I don't fight dogs, either.xthumbsupx

I still don't have an issue with it, whether it is illegal or not.

Yeah, these silly pesky laws, who needs them anyway???? xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

[UncleSam]

I should be great, because I don't fight dogs, either.xthumbsupx

I still don't have an issue with it, whether it is illegal or not.


Vick had better hope he's not convicted, as unlike you, I'm quite sure the new NFL commissioner will have an issue with it.

[HIU 93]

Yeah, these silly pesky laws, who needs them anyway???? xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

Although you are making a vain attempt at being cleverxlolx , you are in essence correct. Some laws are ridiculous. The only reason dog fighting is illegal is because it is too hard to organize it and therefore tax the gambling revenue that is made from it.

[whitey]

Yeah, these silly pesky laws, who needs them anyway????

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think HIU breaks the law by fighting dogs or going to dog fights. He is just saying he doesn't necessarily think dogfighting is immoral nor should it be illegal. So even though he doesn't agree with the law, he still abides by it.

HIU's, Clinton Portis, etc. views on the matter are in the minority, which is obvious otherwise we wouldn't have these laws to begin with. But you can't say one way or the other if one's views are right or wrong on the subject.

I for one, am a dog owner and I find dogfighting sickening. I also find it sickening that people think it's okay. But it's just their opinion and I have mine and I'm thankful that my views happen to fall within the majority on this subject otherwise dogfighting might not only be legal, but popular.

[HIU 93]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think HIU breaks the law by fighting dogs or going to dog fights. He is just saying he doesn't necessarily think dogfighting is immoral nor should it be illegal. So even though he doesn't agree with the law, he still abides by it.

HIU's, Clinton Portis, etc. views on the matter are in the minority, which is obvious otherwise we wouldn't have these laws to begin with. But you can't say one way or the other if one's views are right or wrong on the subject.

I for one, am a dog owner and I find dogfighting sickening. I also find it sickening that people think it's okay. But it's just their opinion and I have mine and I'm thankful that my views happen to fall within the majority on this subject otherwise dogfighting might not only legal, but popular.

Very eloquent and on the money!!!xthumbsupx

[whitey]

The only reason dog fighting is illegal is because it is too hard to organize it and therefore tax the gambling revenue that is made from it.

That surely is not the *only* reason dog fighting is illegal. It might be *a* reason but surely is not the *only* reason.

Like it or not, dog's have crossed over from being merely "property" of American families and are now considered a "member" of most American families. This is just as big of a reason if not bigger for dogfighting being illegal in 2007 than the one you mentioned.

[HIU 93]

That surely is not the *only* reason dog fighting is illegal. It might be *a* reason but surely is not the *only* reason.

Like it or not, dog's have crossed over from being merely "property" of American families and are now considered a "member" of most American families. This is just as big of a reason if not bigger for dogfighting being illegal in 2007 than the one you mentioned.

Never underestimate the greed of stae legislatures.

[whitey]

Never underestimate the greed of stae legislatures.

Don't worry, I'm not. I'm stupid, but not THAT stupid. I would not be surprised in the slightest if that was the major reason that dogfighting laws were first drawn up in the late 1800's. But we are now in the year 2007 and the reasons dogfighting remains illegal has more to do with animal cruelty than taxable revenue.

[HIU 93]

I'm stupid, but not THAT stupid.

You go/went to JMU. You're far from stupid. You're probably pretty smart. You just made the wrong choice of school.xlolx xthumbsupx

[GannonFan]

Although you are making a vain attempt at being cleverxlolx , you are in essence correct. Some laws are ridiculous. The only reason dog fighting is illegal is because it is too hard to organize it and therefore tax the gambling revenue that is made from it.

You really think that's the only reason? xlolx We gamble on pretty much everything else (horses, card, dice, the weather, etc) but you somehow think dogs (fighting, not racing since we've managed to gamble on that) elude the gambling establishments of the world? Come on, you can't be serious? If the vast majority of people in the country weren't opposed to dog fighting due to the graphic and cruel nature of it we would have legal dog fighting - the organizing and taxing of it have about zero to do with why we don't legalize it. xthumbsupx

[GannonFan]

Although you are making a vain attempt at being cleverxlolx , you are in essence correct. Some laws are ridiculous. The only reason dog fighting is illegal is because it is too hard to organize it and therefore tax the gambling revenue that is made from it.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think HIU breaks the law by fighting dogs or going to dog fights. He is just saying he doesn't necessarily think dogfighting is immoral nor should it be illegal. So even though he doesn't agree with the law, he still abides by it.

HIU's, Clinton Portis, etc. views on the matter are in the minority, which is obvious otherwise we wouldn't have these laws to begin with. But you can't say one way or the other if one's views are right or wrong on the subject.

I for one, am a dog owner and I find dogfighting sickening. I also find it sickening that people think it's okay. But it's just their opinion and I have mine and I'm thankful that my views happen to fall within the majority on this subject otherwise dogfighting might not only be legal, but popular.

I don't know what you're getting at - you're pretty much saying there is no right and wrong, just opinions, both majority and minority opinions. Is that what you're saying? So none of the laws we have represent a basic, fundamental, societal value of right and wrong? Everything is basically neutral and subject to the opions of the governed?

[UncleSam]

Although you are making a vain attempt at being cleverxlolx , you are in essence correct. Some laws are ridiculous. The only reason dog fighting is illegal is because it is too hard to organize it and therefore tax the gambling revenue that is made from it.

There are many 'things' that were once legal and socially acceptable, that would be considered deplorable in today's world. Dog fighting is just one of those things.

[HIU 93]

I don't know what you're getting at - you're pretty much saying there is no right and wrong, just opinions, both majority and minority opinions. Is that what you're saying? So none of the laws we have represent a basic, fundamental, societal value of right and wrong? Everything is basically neutral and subject to the opions of the governed?

No. Whhat he is saying is that evry person has a right to an opinion. Dude, are you stilled buzzed from yesterday?xlolx

[whitey]

I don't know what you're getting at - you're pretty much saying there is no right and wrong, just opinions, both majority and minority opinions. Is that what you're saying?

Really what I'm saying is that everyone has an opinion or belief, call it whatever you want about anything and everything. And of course there is right and wrong. But, what makes something "right"? What makes something "wrong"? Who decides this? Society decides this right? Based on the beliefs and opinions of those making up the society.


So none of the laws we have represent a basic, fundamental, societal value of right and wrong? Everything is basically neutral and subject to the opions of the governed?

Of course our laws represent the basic fundamental societal value of right and wrong. But again, how does a society determine what is right and what is wrong? Dogfighting has been determined wrong/illegal by the government who represents those making up the society in America. If you go to South America you might find the exact opposite in many places.

[jstate83]

Ya'll making way too much out of what Portis said.xlolx

They asked him a question and he gave them a str8 answer EVEN THOUGH HE DON'T PARTICIPATE IN THE SPORT.

If people don't want str8 answers then quit badgering these guy's with questions.

[B&G]

Ya'll making way too much out of what Portis said.xlolx

They asked him a question and he gave them a str8 answer EVEN THOUGH HE DON'T PARTICIPATE IN THE SPORT.

If people don't want str8 answers then quit badgering these guy's with questions.

C'mon man, you KNOW when someone has the audacity to say something that isn't 100% politically correct that someone will blow it out of proportion. That's what gets the ratings. They ask these question hoping to bait someone into an answer like that.

[CopperCat]

I saw the segement on ESPN about Vick and dogfighting, and I've got to say that what I saw was utterly appalling. What happens to those dogs in those fights is so grotesque and barbaric that whoever participates in it SHOULD be locked up. I'm glad it's a felony. Only a matter of time before Vick is busted IMO. Plenty of evidence that points right at him.

[BeauFoster]

I saw the segement on ESPN about Vick and dogfighting, and I've got to say that what I saw was utterly appalling. What happens to those dogs in those fights is so grotesque and barbaric that whoever participates in it SHOULD be locked up. I'm glad it's a felony. Only a matter of time before Vick is busted IMO. Plenty of evidence that points right at him.


Holy crap, this is the second post today...I think that this signals impending doom for us all.

I saw the clips on ESPN (probably the same stuff) and I have to say that it made me sick as well. I grew up with dogs that were treated much like a member of the family. I cried last year when my beagle died. Seeing one dog rip another's throat out makes me sick. I wouldn't want to see one human being literally rip anothers head off and I don't want to see dogs do it. I hope that everyone involved in the game is arrested, not just in this case, but all over the world. It is nothing but cruel and senseless violence that we could all do without.

[HIU 93]

Only a matter of time before Vick is busted IMO. Plenty of evidence that points right at him.

What evidence? The Surry County Commonwealth's Attorney said they don't have any evidence that Vick is involved in dogfighting. Are you basing this on the unsubstantiated statements of a person who had his voice altered and image blocked out on an ESPN interview? ESPN is not a grand jury, nor are they a Commonwealth's Attorney's office. They don't determine evidence, let alone innocence or guilt. How do you know that this "figure" isn't just a person that wanted to be on TV? How do you know that ESPN didn't pay said person? Come on, man. A first grader could pick this apart.

[kardplayer]

What evidence? The Surry County Commonwealth's Attorney said they don't have any evidence that Vick is involved in dogfighting. Are you basing this on the unsubstantiated statements of a person who had his voice altered and image blocked out on an ESPN interview? ESPN is not a grand jury, nor are they a Commonwealth's Attorney's office. They don't determine evidence, let alone innovence or guilt. How do you know that this "figure" isn't just a person that wanted to be on TV? How do you know that ESPN didn't pay said person? Come on, man. A first grader could pick this apart.

In fairness, they had a law enforcement guy on right after him to talk about the fact the guy was an informant that had helped bust a lot of folks and that he had consistently high levels of credibility.

Doesn't answer the "unsubstantiated" concern (the first bold), but it definitely answers the second.

[CopperCat]

In fairness, they had a law enforcement guy on right after him to talk about the fact the guy was an informant that had helped bust a lot of folks and that he had consistently high levels of credibility.

Doesn't answer the "unsubstantiated" concern (the first bold), but it definitely answers the second.

Yes, HIU, what he said.

Are you a Vick fan?

[HIU 93]

Yes, HIU, what he said.

Are you a Vick fan?

I tutored Mike when he was in middle school. No, he doesn't remember me. Yes, I am a fan.

And the Commonwealth's Attorney STILL says he has no evidence against Vick. Let the evidence (or lack thereof) guide you.

[GannonFan]

I tutored Mike when he was in middle school. No, he doesn't remember me. Yes, I am a fan.

And the Commonwealth's Attorney STILL says he has no evidence against Vick. Let the evidence (or lack thereof) guide you.

I've got no issue with Vick one way or the other - if he's innocent, great, he shouldn't suffer just because he has some bad family connections. If he's guilty, he should pay his dues. As for the evidence, I'll wait until the investigation is over before drawing any conclusions - dog fighting investigations are never quick affairs.

[BeauFoster]

I tutored Mike when he was in middle school. No, he doesn't remember me. Yes, I am a fan.

And the Commonwealth's Attorney STILL says he has no evidence against Vick. Let the evidence (or lack thereof) guide you.



Actually, according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution, there may be charges filed with the July grand jury. When asked if Vick was involved, the DA would not specifically say yes or no, but did state that they could have enough evidence to file.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/05/29/0530vick.html

[HIU 93]

Actually, according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution, there may be charges filed with the July grand jury. When asked if Vick was involved, the DA would not specifically say yes or no, but did state that they could have enough evidence to file.

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/05/29/0530vick.html

The Daily Press has quoted the CA (no DA's in VA) as saying there was no evidence linking him to the dog fighting.

[spelunker64]

E$PN:


Falcons QB Michael Vick was at a dog fight in 2000 and is "one of the heavyweights" in the sport, ESPN reported. The network Sunday cited a police informant whom a dog-fighting investigator called "extremely reliable." "That's who bets a large dollar," the informant said on the show "Outside the Lines." "And they have the money to bet large money. As I'm talking about large money, 30 to 40 thousand, even higher. He's one of the heavyweights." When asked how he knows Vick bets that amount, the informant said, "because I've seen it." The informant said his dog beat Vick's dog in 2000, the year before Vick was chosen by the Falcons with the first overall pick in the NFL draft.
(Updated 05/29/2007).

[B&G]

Or maybe they are taking their time so as to do things the right way unlike the way the Duke Lacrosse case was so screwed up.

[jstate83]

E$PN:

Like ESPN is the Gospel of truth. xlolx
OK..................Let say for argument this "trustworthy informant" is telling the truth.

Where the hell was a college student getting that kind of cheese to blow betting on dog fight's back then..............Thousands.
V.T. may have some SPLAINING to do Lucy.xlolx

AGAIN...............Just going along on "If this guy is telling the truth".
Again..............He the only one who knew who VICK was.xlolx
Ain't nobody else even seen him.xlolx

[jstate83]

The Daily Press has quoted the CA (no DA's in VA) as saying there was no evidence linking him to the dog fighting.


I posted that several times and it's like some on here go blind when they scroll past that part. xlolx

[spelunker64]

I posted that several times and it's like some on here go blind when they scroll past that part. xlolx

Maybe they have you on ignore. xsmiley_wix xlolx

[jstate83]

Maybe they have you on ignore. xsmiley_wix xlolx

That supposed to hurt.xlolx
OH my................Don't know how I will continue to function now that I have been informed xlolx chatboard postersxlolx that only want to see thier own words have me on ignore.xlolx

Want to join them...............It's easy................YOU CAN DO IT.xlolx

[spelunker64]

That supposed to hurt.xlolx
OH my................Don't know how I will continue to function now that I have been informed xlolx chatboard postersxlolx that only want to see thier own words have me on ignore.xlolx

Want to join them...............It's easy................YOU CAN DO IT.xlolx


I'll quote you so they can see it. :D

[BeauFoster]

The Daily Press has quoted the CA (no DA's in VA) as saying there was no evidence linking him to the dog fighting.


Semantics, sorry. Either way, there is a quote from one who seems to be saying something contrary to what you have. The article was dated for today.

Edit: Sorry, it was published yesterday, 5/29

[B&G]

I posted that several times and it's like some on here go blind when they scroll past that part. xlolx

CA Poindexter must be confused then because he is giving conflicting quotes to two different newspapers. Maybe he is preparing for a presidential run in the future. xthumbsupx

[BeauFoster]

CA Poindexter must be confused then because he is giving conflicting quotes to two different newspapers. Maybe he is preparing for a presidential run in the future. xthumbsupx


Or...maybe he is changing his tune as the evidence changes.


He is a lawyer, so he is likely well versed in double speak. :D

[CCU97]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AifXFtbzr1ORtrnB_Qej5jM5nYcB?slug=ap-vickinvestigation&prov=ap&type=lgns

Poindexter is on record now stating that they have informants (plural....more than one) Linking Vick to dogfighting....if this is true then Mr. Vick will have lots of explaining to to do and I'm not sure the NFL will even listen. Personally, I don't dislike Vick, he just makes the wrong choice too many times. He is one of if not the best player in the NFL...just not the best QB. Come on Mike it's time to grow up and stop acting like a kid....you make more money in 1 year than some of us will in our life....don't make the bonehead choices...wait until you retire to do stupid **** and then nobody will care!

[GannonFan]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AifXFtbzr1ORtrnB_Qej5jM5nYcB?slug=ap-vickinvestigation&prov=ap&type=lgns

Poindexter is on record now stating that they have informants (plural....more than one) Linking Vick to dogfighting....if this is true then Mr. Vick will have lots of explaining to to do and I'm not sure the NFL will even listen. Personally, I don't dislike Vick, he just makes the wrong choice too many times. He is one of if not the best player in the NFL...just not the best QB. Come on Mike it's time to grow up and stop acting like a kid....you make more money in 1 year than some of us will in our life....don't make the bonehead choices...wait until you retire to do stupid **** and then nobody will care!

Whoa - are you joking??? The smack board is over there! Yikes, you really think he could be the best player in the whole league? And yet you then say he's not the best QB in the league, with QB just being the position he actually plays. How do you come up with the idea then that he's the best player in the league????? xrolleyesx

[Cleets]

Whoa - are you joking??? The smack board is over there! Yikes, you really think he could be the best player in the whole league? And yet you then say he's not the best QB in the league, with QB just being the position he actually plays. How do you come up with the idea then that he's the best player in the league????? xrolleyesx

He's not even the best player on his team... xlolx

[BeauFoster]

He's not even the best player on his team... xlolx


He isn't even the second best RB on his team! xlolx

[Cleets]

He isn't even the second best RB on his team! xlolx

I would like to see him as a slot back or anything to get him in the open... with a little space... (very dangerous)

put him in the pocket...(not very dangerous)

[BeauFoster]

I would like to see him as a slot back or anything to get him in the open... with a little space... (very dangerous)

put him in the pocket...(not very dangerous)



He's so fragile, though. It seems he has been hurt more lately than healthy. If he was running on every play, instead of only, say, 80% of them, he would be done for the season at half time of the opening game.

[AppGuy04]

Schaub was the best QB on that team

[813Jag]

He's so fragile, though. It seems he has been hurt more lately than healthy. If he was running on every play, instead of only, say, 80% of them, he would be done for the season at half time of the opening game.

That would happen to any QB in the league.

[YoUDeeMan]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AifXFtbzr1ORtrnB_Qej5jM5nYcB?slug=ap-vickinvestigation&prov=ap&type=lgns

Poindexter is on record now stating that they have informants (plural....more than one) Linking Vick to dogfighting....


xlolx xlolx xlolx

xwhistlex

[CopperCat]

Schaub was the best QB on that team

And with all this stuff with Vick going down, it may have been wise for Atlanta to keep Shaub instead of booting him out like they did. Only time will tell.

[AppGuy04]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2888085

Two law enforcement officials familiar with the investigation have told ESPN.com they believe there is sufficient evidence to indict Michael Vick in connection with a suspected dogfighting ring that was run on property the Falcons quarterback owned in Virginia.

The sources, however, cautioned this week that, based on the current evidence, it might be difficult to successfully prosecute Vick, who has denied knowledge of dogfighting at the property in Surry County.

"There is probably enough there to bring a bill [of indictment]," said one source, "but how some of [the evidence] would play out at trial, or if it even reached a trial ... I just don't know. These kinds of prosecutions are tough. There are some holes, definitely, and that's why [investigators] are digging for more information. You want more than just smoke. You're always looking for the smoking gun.

[BeauFoster]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2888085

Two law enforcement officials familiar with the investigation have told ESPN.com they believe there is sufficient evidence to indict Michael Vick in connection with a suspected dogfighting ring that was run on property the Falcons quarterback owned in Virginia.

The sources, however, cautioned this week that, based on the current evidence, it might be difficult to successfully prosecute Vick, who has denied knowledge of dogfighting at the property in Surry County.

"There is probably enough there to bring a bill [of indictment]," said one source, "but how some of [the evidence] would play out at trial, or if it even reached a trial ... I just don't know. These kinds of prosecutions are tough. There are some holes, definitely, and that's why [investigators] are digging for more information. You want more than just smoke. You're always looking for the smoking gun.



Hmmm, sounds like charges may be filed. This one is going to get really interesting

[AppGuy04]

Hmmm, sounds like charges may be filed. This one is going to get really interesting

and more and more evidence will be found for sure

[BeauFoster]

and more and more evidence will be found for sure



I also noticed that the CA is covering his butt with the search warrents. He said that he is having one rewritten to be sure that the wording is correct. Hopefully, if there are guilty parties involved, they will not get off on some technicality.

[AppGuy04]

I also noticed that the CA is covering his butt with the search warrents. He said that he is having one rewritten to be sure that the wording is correct. Hopefully, if there are guilty parties involved, they will not get off on some technicality.

and I commend him for doing so, even if it takes longer, do it rightxthumbsupx

[Cleets]

Ya'll making way too much out of what Portis said.xlolx

They asked him a question and he gave them a str8 answer EVEN THOUGH HE DON'T PARTICIPATE IN THE SPORT.

If people don't want str8 answers then quit badgering these guy's with questions.

I've thought about that...
It seems like what we want is one of two things: The perfect P.C. answer, which is basically not news and not worth printing or we want the "wrong answer" or somebody just saying what they're thinking and not caring who hears it and how they feel about it...

that version (the wrong answer) is usually good for print... xwhistlex

[spelunker64]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AhJFp4X3d6C7amWcC99JcydDubYF?slug=ap-vickinvestigation&prov=ap&type=lgns



SURRY, Va. (AP) -- Informants have come forward saying they can link Atlanta Falcons quarterback Michael Vick to dog fighting, the prosecutor in the case said Thursday, and he has turned their accounts and contact information over to investigators. Surry County Commonwealth's Attorney Gerald G. Poindexter said he has heard from about a half-dozen people claiming to have information about Vick's involvement in dog fighting, but he does not know if their claims have proven to be reliable.

[bandl]

I wonder of the feds know something...

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6899670

[UncleSam]

The people responsible need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and if Michael Vick is involved, I hope he gets no leniency from either the courts or the NFL.

[AppGuy04]

The people responsible need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and if Michael Vick is involved, I hope he gets no leniency from either the courts or the NFL.

Well, Pacman Jones will tell you that you don't have to be convicted to be suspended. Wonder if Vick will have the same fate?

[kardplayer]

Well, Pacman Jones will tell you that you don't have to be convicted to be suspended. Wonder if Vick will have the same fate?

Pacman has been convicted, he has a probation officer.

http://bumpshack.com/2007/03/02/pacman-jones-criminal-record/

My guess is that Vick won't be suspended until he's convicted. Pacman and Chris Henry have long records, Vick does not. Tank Johnson was in jail for two months.

The NFL isn't going to suspend him - or anyone - until they have either a conviction OR they fail to "cooperate with evaluation and counseling".

http://www.nflpa.org/RulesAndRegs/ConductPolicy.aspx

[AppGuy04]

Pacman has been convicted, he has a probation officer.

http://bumpshack.com/2007/03/02/pacman-jones-criminal-record/

My guess is that Vick won't be suspended until he's convicted. Pacman and Chris Henry have long records, Vick does not. Tank Johnson was in jail for two months.

The NFL isn't going to suspend him - or anyone - until they have either a conviction OR they fail to "cooperate with evaluation and counseling".

http://www.nflpa.org/RulesAndRegs/ConductPolicy.aspx

Thanks, I haven't been keeping up with Pacman, last I heard, he hadn't been convicted

[kardplayer]

Thanks, I haven't been keeping up with Pacman, last I heard, he hadn't been convicted

He was convicted previously - not on the Vegas stuff. I think he falls under the "not participating with counseling" clause.

[AppGuy04]

He was convicted previously - not on the Vegas stuff. I think he falls under the "not participating with counseling" clause.

Yeah, I was talking about the Vegas stuff

[YoUDeeMan]

From the article; Poindexter: "There's a larger thing here, and it has nothing to do with any breach of protocol," Poindexter said. "There's something awful going on here. I don't know if it's racial. I don't know what it is."

Well, Mr/ Poindexter, if you don't know if it's racial, then why would you bring it up? xrolleyesx

Mr. Poindexter, meet Mr. Nifong.

[AppGuy04]

From the article; Poindexter: "There's a larger thing here, and it has nothing to do with any breach of protocol," Poindexter said. "There's something awful going on here. I don't know if it's racial. I don't know what it is."

Well, Mr/ Poindexter, if you don't know if it's racial, then why would you bring it up? xrolleyesx

Mr. Poindexter, meet Mr. Nifong.

Yeah, there is something larger, its called the NFL. If you haven't noticed, Vick is a multi-millionairexrolleyesx

[jstate83]

From the article; Poindexter: "There's a larger thing here, and it has nothing to do with any breach of protocol," Poindexter said. "There's something awful going on here. I don't know if it's racial. I don't know what it is."

Well, Mr/ Poindexter, if you don't know if it's racial, then why would you bring it up? xrolleyesx

Mr. Poindexter, meet Mr. Nifong.

Man please.
If this was Nifong, Vick would be in jail just for having the house in his name. xlolx
Why wouold the FBI run in like Gail Dever's running the 100 meter sprint when the DA and the LOCAL Sherriff is investigating, collecting evidence, and going over shat BEFORE they give it to a Grand Jury.

Now.....................When the FBI come back with ZIP on VICK, then what.
If these local's had found ANYTHING linking Vick to this other than he bought the house, the WORLD would know by now.xlolx

As another poster say's, this has NFL witch hut written all over it.
They been wanting Vick since everybody Jumped the Gun over that empty water bottle.

[GannonFan]

I'm not sure that the speed of the investigation (i.e. no arrest so far) means much - dog fighting investigations are often drawn out - people are often unwilling to talk, evidence is pretty hard to find, etc. I'll wait to see where this ends up - but right now, if I was Vick, I wouldn't feel very comfortable - people will talk and he's right in the cross-hairs. These are going to be a tough couple of months until the authorities reveal their case.

[CCU97]

Now.....................When the FBI come back with ZIP on VICK, then what.
If these local's had found ANYTHING linking Vick to this other than he bought the house, the WORLD would know by now.xlolx

As another poster say's, this has NFL witch hut written all over it.
They been wanting Vick since everybody Jumped the Gun over that empty water bottle.


It may be a case of the feds feel that the locals aren't getting things done quickly and want to go ahead and get this over with...it doesn't mean that Vick is guilty or will be found that way and it doesn't mean that he isn't...it is what it is....until he is on trial and found guilty then he is innocent....but if he is found guilty watch for his world to come crumbling down in record speed!

[jstate83]

It may be a case of the feds feel that the locals aren't getting things done quickly and want to go ahead and get this over with...it doesn't mean that Vick is guilty or will be found that way and it doesn't mean that he isn't...it is what it is....until he is on trial and found guilty then he is innocent....but if he is found guilty watch for his world to come crumbling down in record speed!


The Local Official's have already explaind to the public that no matter what they find, the next Grand Jury for that area is not going to be seated until the end of July.
There was no need for them to rush shat that would be thrown out later.

Besides.................Since when has the FBI jumped in and took over a DOG FIGHTING Investigation from locals who are actively investigating.
I have never seen the FBI run into one of these cases down here to go after Joe, Buba, and LeRoy because the locals are moving to slow. xlolx

Ain't no MURDERS or Bank Robberies up that way for the FBI to investigate.
They must be starving for attention. xlolx

[bandl]

Once again, it should be noted how little faith the task force (and others in Virginia) has in Poindexter. This will be a key component in the whole investigation and 'public trial'.

[seantaylor]

Poindexter was in on something here. Either getting paid or forced to drag his feet.