ISUr @ NDSU

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Think they were popping his shoulder back in....

Been there so I know the feeling. You literally have to relax to though.....

[BisonFan02]

The Bison are just delaying the inevitable...they aren't winning jack **** unless they pick up their play.

[Sader87]

QB looks talented but he's a Frosh....IllSt D playing well but this doesn't seem to be a vintage NDSU offense

[Bisonator]

What a stupid call by ISU there. Why go away from your best player on 3rd and 1 when you haven't done **** thru the air to that point?

[REALBird]

Dumb play call. Run the F’n ball. It’s 3rd and 1.

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What a stupid call by ISU there. Why go away from your best player on 3rd and 1 when you haven't done **** thru the air to that point?

agreed. I would have rather they took the penalty on 1st down. Stupid call

[Herdistheword]

Spack helped Bison D out there. Bison offense needs to get their poop in a group.

[CopperCat]

Bad decision by ISU coach to take a 2nd and 2 instead of a 1st and 5

[centennial]

What the hell is wrong with Lance. He literally cannot throw a spiral.

Zero confidence. Is he playing hurt? At this point Zeb Noland might be better.

[Prime Power]

Does NDSU have a screen in their playbook?

[BisonFan02]

Bison O is playing like they have a 2 TD lead......I have no ****ing idea what is going on.

[semobison]

Our O-line is getting manhandled.

[Sader87]

I knew most North Dakotans were conservative but not this conservative xdrunkyx

[centennial]

Bison O is playing like they have a 2 TD lead......I have no ****ing idea what is going on.

This is what self destruction looks like. Inexperienced coaches, inexperienced frosh qb. ISU hits a home run and they could lose. What a **** show.

[REALBird]

Alright Spack open the playbook up or die trying. We need points.

[Thunderstruck]

First TD wins this game

[POD Knows]

Absolute **** show. Horrible offensive game plan. Let’s punt some
more balls in the end zone.

[REALBird]

First TD wins this game

Nah....I remember 2014. 1:43 seconds is more than enough time.

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[Bisonator]

Our OC is trying not to lose the game rather then trying to win it. This is the worst play calling we've seen all year.

[Herdistheword]

our 2nd half playcalling has been terrible. Kobe Johnson gets 9 yards on an outside run and we proceed to run it up the middle 30 times for a 2 yard gain each time. Just pathetic.

[BisonFan02]

Here it comes.......

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

This is basically the due or die drive for ISUr.

[REALBird]

I saw shades of Roberson in 2014 on that run.

[centennial]

Shame on the NDSU OC. I have nothing else to say.

[POD Knows]

This game is over.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

3rd and down he has to leave the game for a play...

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Bison should be able to hold on. ISUr has no ability to score.

[Sader87]

This was the dullest offensive game since Princeton-Rutgers 1869 xdrunkyx

[Herdistheword]

This game is over.

After watching almost 4 quarters of this game, I am not calling it until it is over. This has been disgusting.

[centennial]

3rd and down he has to leave the game for a play...

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Bison should be able to hold on. ISUr has no ability to score.

NDSU deserves to lose this game. I'm so disappointed at the coaching.

[caribbeanhen]

This was the dullest offensive game since Princeton-Rutgers 1869 xdrunkyx

true

[BisonFan02]

Here comes another 3 and out.

[BisonFan02]

and the bench is ****ing around.

[POD Knows]

Seriously. WTF are they doing.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

NDSU deserves to lose this game. I'm so disappointed at the coaching.

I agree. This is two weeks in a row where NDSU wasn't that their typical crispness. The new staff has to prove themselves....

[BisonFan02]

Wow

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

That's a legit call....

[Sader87]

NDSU bailed out....

[JMUNJ08]

Thats just great D. The refs just handed NDSU the game there... You can't call that as an official especially with what they have let go already in the game.

[centennial]

I agree. This is two weeks in a row where NDSU wasn't that their typical crispness. The new staff has to prove themselves....

Coaches are cracking under pressure. NDSU might be the most talented roster in the FCS, and that is why they haven't lost yet. Any other team would have been out by now.

[CopperCat]

PI call was pretty questionable.

[Sader87]

Both teams have played great D...but both offenses played WAY too conservatively imo

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Whelp, ISUr ball with a chance to win. Better give it hell....

[Herdistheword]

Thats just great D. The refs just handed NDSU the game there... You can't call that as an official especially with what they have let go already in the game.

He needed to turn faster, but it was a much weaker call than the two no calls earlier.

[BisonFan02]

Now a prevent defense.

[wapiti]

Now a prevent defense.

I prefer to call it prevent the victory defense.

[centennial]

Now a prevent defense.
I'm sick of this **** show. Getting beaten legit is better than this. This is some terrible 2009 Bohl level ****.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Just no chance on offense. UNI and ISUr were the same team....lol

[BisonFan02]

Oh boy....feel real good about this one. xlolx

[Bisonator]

Ball game. Wheeeeewww. Good game and nice season Redbirds!

[Bison56]

Good battle Redbirds, always tough playing a team twice in one year.

[semobison]

When you win 35 in a row there is going to be an ugly win in there somewhere.

[DUKESALLDAY]

The espn announcer bias cracks me up. Tough luck ISUr hard fought game. Bison move on.

[Herdistheword]

Is any casual football fan going to watch the FCS after this weekend?

[BisonFan02]

When you win 35 in a row there is going to be an ugly win in there somewhere.

I'd agree with you if it was an isolated case......BUT.....this team isn't exactly lighting it up right now. I had a bit of a fear that this Bison team didn't have its usual "playoff gear"....I have yet to see it. They have a high ceiling of talent...but you sure as hell can't tell right now.

[JMUNJ08]

Seemed like a carbon copy of last night's JMU game (besides that ISUr had a legit running game). Both teams get another home game with the chance for Frisco next week. We'll see if either can wake up and score some points.

[ysubigred]

Wow the refs ****ed Il state that lateral which should have been a touchdown for the Red Birds was the difference.

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[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Is any casual football fan going to watch the FCS after this weekend?

People will casually tune in next weekend given how close next weekend is to Christmas. People know NDSU and in the East JMU has some name recognition. This will be the strongest Semifinals I can recall. Rarely do you get what's likely the 4 best teams. ESPN might play it up a bit too along with the scrub bowls.

[REALBird]

Ball game. Wheeeeewww. Good game and nice season Redbirds!

you can only go so far without a QB. Great career James Robinson. Great moral victory, but if that called backwards pass wasn’t missed.....who knows!

[Bison56]

I'd agree with you if it was an isolated case......BUT.....this team isn't exactly lighting it up right now. I had a bit of a fear that this Bison team didn't have its usual "playoff gear"....I have yet to see it. They have a high ceiling of talent...but you sure as hell can't tell right now.

Dont see the intensity in the playoffs that I have seen in the past. Oline is supposed to be possibly the best yet and havent looked very good.

[CopperCat]

Wow the refs ****ed Il state that lateral which should have been a touchdown for the Red Birds was the difference.

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This.

[BisonFan02]

you can only go so far without a QB. Great career James Robinson. Great moral victory, but if that called backwards pass wasn’t missed.....who knows!

We can play this game all the time on individual plays. You score 3 points, you don't deserve to win any more than NDSU did for scoring 9. xlolx

[Sader87]

I love how NDSU is in the Final 4 for FCS again and most of their fans are disgusted xdrunkyx

[centennial]

When you win 35 in a row there is going to be an ugly win in there somewhere.

Sure, ugly win but not for the lack of trying. No one is beyond criticism. I would rather see NDSU losing without playing so conservative. This was not a no name toilet bowl game, you plan for the game and try to win. Not try not to lose.

[JMUNJ08]

I love how NDSU is in the Final 4 for FCS again and most of their fans are disgusted xdrunkyx

After 12 hours ago it was that they would roll JMU by 3 scores after their 'poor' performance against the MVFC #2 UNI....

Both teams are good. Last 3 games of the FCS season are going to be the battle of some well deserving teams and should be great games (even if they end 3-2...)

[Vitojr130]

Those announcers on ESPN are extremely dumb. There were multiple times throughout this game that made me question if these announcers knew anything more than the basics of football...

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

After 12 hours ago it was that they would roll JMU by 3 scores after their 'poor' performance against the MVFC #2 UNI....

Both teams are good. Last 3 games of the FCS season are going to be the battle of some well deserving teams and should be great games (even if they end 3-2...)

JMU completely dominated the game last night but the score didn't reflect it. I think ISUr played NDSU pretty equal today. I was really surprised by the Bison's offense. The Redbirds have a very good D but that doesn't excuse not being able to find the endzone once imo.

[NOLA]

Defense was definitely the theme of the quarterfinals. Feel for Illinois State for getting screwed by the refs, especially since you can’t expect them to get much going offensively. Maybe when they got the ball back late they should have punted and hoped for a turnover. Haha.

Should be two good semifinal games.

[Bisonator]

There's plenty of other teams that would love to be playing next weekend. It's win or go home. We played way too conservatively on offense but hopefully Roehl learned a valuable lesson from a win. We have to be better to go any further. Wins a win and you take everyone this time of year!

[grayghost06]

Lotta talk last night about JMU's "unimpressive" win. Then today happened...https://www.bing.com/th/id/OGC.f0a55d1441e27995eef731504a1812ac?pid=1.7&rurl=https%3a%2f%2fmedia.giphy.com%2fmedia%2fjUwpN zg9IcyrK%2fgiphy.gif&ehk=LVENAQk8NETggCpTm6BEtUY1DPsDwZ29sJk%2bGVHj6FI% 3d

[caribbeanhen]

Looked like the bison were following JMU’s lead

[semobison]

Sure, ugly win but not for the lack of trying. No one is beyond criticism. I would rather see NDSU losing without playing so conservative. This was not a no name toilet bowl game, you plan for the game and try to win. Not try not to lose.

Ain't going to win the Natty playing like that. Give The Redbirds defense credit. They were stout.
I'm hoping our offense wakes up next week, the O-line got manhandled. We were outrushed by a team for the first time since our last lost to the Jacks.
Conservative, yep, sometimes you need to throw the ball to open up the run game. Somebody tell that to TR!

[centennial]

JMU completely dominated the game last night but the score didn't reflect it. I think ISUr played NDSU pretty equal today. I was really surprised by the Bison's offense. The Redbirds have a very good D but that doesn't excuse not being able to find the endzone once imo.

Trey Lance clearly has the jitters. Instead of trying to give him easy throws the NDSU coaches decided to play like they are 4 TD'S ahead. At the very least you try some wildcat, hurry up, option, trick plays. Instead you leave it to the other team to only score 3.

Easton Stick would have scored 28 on this Redbird team. I've been saying all year to NDSU fans that Trey is no where close yet, his deep ball is slightly better, running is similar but his understanding of the offense is not even close. If the OC has a bad week, he cannot pick up any slack. This game reminded of of how Wentz was covering for inconsistent OC coaching when Polasek used to call stupid plays.

[Drblankstare]

Hats off to the birds, great effort on D, but damn that was some of the worst offensive scheming and play calling I’ve ever seen. Just burn the tape

[BisonBacker]

Just got home from the game. What an ugly game. Our coaches got outcoached and our O line got owned. WTF Tyler Rohl do you keep calling runs up the gut like that when the O line is ****ting themselves! Credit to ISU and their coaches for taking the game to the Bison. Next week they better get this **** straight or they'll be staying home in January.

Edit: i should say congrats to our defense they played well.

[centennial]

Hats off to the birds, great effort on D, but damn that was some of the worst offensive scheming and play calling I’ve ever seen. Just burn the tape

Seriously, I have seen high school coaches adjusting better than this. TR looks like a bad version of Vigen right now. The lack of trying anything else is the most disappointing thing.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Congrats to Bison ... we showed up on defense but you guys gutted out a win in an ugly game. This will be good experience for your young guys learning to play on game like this ... you dont have many. Good luck rest of way ... way to represent MVFC so well.

[POD Knows]

Win is a win but the way this offense is playing now they are the 4th best team in the semis.

[caribbeanhen]

Seriously, I have seen high school coaches adjusting better than this. TR looks like a bad version of Vigen right now. The lack of trying anything else is the most disappointing thing.

did you ever step on the gas about 1974 Ford Pinto, Illinois state did the only thing they could do to have a chance

[centennial]

did you ever step on the gas about 1974 Ford Pinto, Illinois state did the only thing they could do to have a chance

That's before my time but my roommate had a Chevy Caprice POS. When it wasn't broken if felt like a fast boat.

[REALBird]

We can play this game all the time on individual plays. You score 3 points, you don't deserve to win any more than NDSU did for scoring 9. xlolx

Don’t take it so personal. We could do this both ways. The missed PI in the end zone would have likely resulted in a NDSU TD. The PI late in the game.....meh. Bad calls around. But a nice turn back the clock game. 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

[Schism55]

Man, what a freaking bloodbath. Props to both defenses, both played fantastic. Redbirds coaching staff had a better day than the Bisons, that's for sure. That being said it's really freaking hard to beat a team twice in one season, just ask Montana about that. Survive and advance, onto the 'Cats.

[kdinva]

Wow the refs ****ed Il state that lateral which should have been a touchdown for the Red Birds was the difference.


agree on this one......the "Belichick effect" in the dome.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Bad calls went both ways .. granted ours took 7 sure points away. But they went both ways and wound up even.

[BisonFan02]

Don’t take it so personal. We could do this both ways. The missed PI in the end zone would have likely resulted in a NDSU TD. The PI late in the game.....meh. Bad calls around. But a nice turn back the clock game. 3 yards and a cloud of dust.

Oh, I didn't take it personal at all. **** like this happens in close games. I think that last PI was probably legit, but the gripe would be if they hadn't been calling it consistent.

[Hammersmith]

Those announcers on ESPN are extremely dumb. There were multiple times throughout this game that made me question if these announcers knew anything more than the basics of football...

Why limit yourself like that. I generally assume they don't even know the basics. (except Anish)

Also why I always sync the video to our radio broadcast. Phil and Jeff(especially Phil) are so much better than almost any TV announcer(at this level). I'm willing to put up with the occasional JJ comment.

[Professor Chaos]

I have to give credit to the Redbirds defense... they neutered the Bison offense in a way I haven't seen since 2010 (and I've seen all their games since then) with the only game that compares being the UNI game in 2014. They absolutely knew it too... watching the Illinois St D-line taunt the crowd to get loud while the Bison were on offense showed they had absolutely no fear and no doubt that they would shut down a Bison offense that they had rendered toothless.

Some may claim it was bad play calling or bad execution or whatever but I say that's bull****... Illinois St's defense dominated the Bison offense in every facet of the game at every level especially in the 2nd half in a way that should be embarrassing to what had been the most efficient offensive team in the FCS coming into the game.

In the end a win is a win and I'll take any win, no matter how ugly, over a loss. I can only hope this is a wake up call for that offense, especially the O-line, and that they use it as motivation going forward. I said it in another thread but I think it can actually be twisted into a positive that doubt is creeping in from the outside on whether this Bison team is good enough to beat the Bobcat squad coming to meet them next week. This team has been the hunted for the last two years and been massive favorites to win almost every game they've played in that time... I hope they embrace the fact that there is some doubt about their superiority over their opponent. Use it as motivation to find the swagger that they've been missing.

Or maybe the pundits are right and these Bison really aren't that good and are fortunate to not already be sitting at home for the offseason but I know the culture this program has built (roll your eyes at that comment if you want) and I feel confident that this is a prideful bunch that isn't going to allow this lackluster performance to carry over into next week.

[Bisonator]

I have to give credit to the Redbirds defense... they neutered the Bison offense in a way I haven't seen since 2010 (and I've seen all their games since then) with the only game that compares being the UNI game in 2014. They absolutely knew it too... watching the Illinois St D-line taunt the crowd to get loud while the Bison were on offense showed they had absolutely no fear and no doubt that they would shut down a Bison offense that they had rendered toothless.

Some may claim it was bad play calling or bad execution or whatever but I say that's bull****... Illinois St's defense dominated the Bison offense in every facet of the game at every level especially in the 2nd half in a way that should be embarrassing to what had been the most efficient offensive team in the FCS coming into the game.

In the end a win is a win and I'll take any win, no matter how ugly, over a loss. I can only hope this is a wake up call for that offense, especially the O-line, and that they use it as motivation going forward. I said it in another thread but I think it can actually be twisted into a positive that doubt is creeping in from the outside on whether this Bison team is good enough to beat the Bobcat squad coming to meet them next week. This team has been the hunted for the last two years and been massive favorites to win almost every game they've played in that time... I hope they embrace the fact that there is some doubt about their superiority over their opponent. Use it as motivation to find the swagger that they've been missing.

Or maybe the pundits are right and these Bison really aren't that good and are fortunate to not already be sitting at home for the offseason but I know the culture this program has built (roll your eyes at that comment if you want) and I feel confident that this is a prideful bunch that isn't going to allow this lackluster performance to carry over into next week.
I disagree with your assessment and put most of the blame on the play calling. Where were the designed QB runs, the TE's were non existent, no RB wheel routes, screen plays. I think there was one WR jet sweep that got good yardage then never called again. Tyler seemed obsessed with trying to run power and we were beating our heads against a wall. Totally on him for this output today. The Redbirds played well defensively but we played way too conservatively and made defending us easier then it should have been.

[Professor Chaos]

I disagree with your assessment and put most of the blame on the play calling. Where were the designed QB runs, the TE's were non existent, no RB wheel routes, screen plays. I think there was one WR jet sweep that got good yardage then never called again. Tyler seemed obsessed with trying to run power and we were beating our heads against a wall. Totally on him for this output today. The Redbirds played well defensively but we played way too conservatively and made defending us easier then it should have been.
When they ran play action and tried to roll out Lance that was stuffed as well. I agree that Roehl could've and should've been more creative but they were dominated at all levels today. O-line couldn't run block or pass block. Receivers couldn't get open. RBs couldn't break tackles. Just a flat out manhandling all around. Coaches and players need to get better on that side of the ball.

[No_Skill]

Wow the refs ****ed Il state that lateral which should have been a touchdown for the Red Birds was the difference.

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Reminder: you can't advance a fumble in college ball. Even if it had been ruled a backwards pass, Illinois only gets the ball at the 50 or wherever that happened. Given the way the game played out, highly unlikely they get any points at all from it.

[dewey]

I disagree with your assessment and put most of the blame on the play calling. Where were the designed QB runs, the TE's were non existent, no RB wheel routes, screen plays. I think there was one WR jet sweep that got good yardage then never called again. Tyler seemed obsessed with trying to run power and we were beating our heads against a wall. Totally on him for this output today. The Redbirds played well defensively but we played way too conservatively and made defending us easier then it should have been.

I got the sense that TR was calling plays like Tim Polasek did for us in 2016. Beating our heads against the wall and ignoring other plays.

To me that is what made Messignham such a great play caller.

Dewey

[Sycamore62]

I have to give credit to the Redbirds defense... they neutered the Bison offense in a way I haven't seen since 2010 (and I've seen all their games since then) with the only game that compares being the UNI game in 2014. They absolutely knew it too... watching the Illinois St D-line taunt the crowd to get loud while the Bison were on offense showed they had absolutely no fear and no doubt that they would shut down a Bison offense that they had rendered toothless.

Well, i mean there was that time they had 14pts scored on their offense

[Professor Chaos]

Well, i mean there was that time they had 14pts scored on their offense
And they moved the ball better that day than they did today.

[Hammersmith]

Reminder: you can't advance a fumble in college ball. Even if it had been ruled a backwards pass, Illinois only gets the ball at the 50 or wherever that happened. Given the way the game played out, highly unlikely they get any points at all from it.

Pretty sure that's not correct. The offense can't advance a fumble on 4th down or a PAT(unless the player who recovered it was the one who fumbled it). Also muffed punts are not advance-able. Other than that, fair game I think.




As for the pass in question, the call on the field was correct. We have a guy on BV that is a HS, DIII & DII ref in Indiana. Good guy that tries to explain things to idiots that typically don't want to listen. He's also tried to explain at times that the philosophy of the rule is just as important as the rule itself(like why some holds are called and others aren't). He said that the guidance in a case like this is that the pass has to be clearly backwards for it to be called a fumble. If it's very close, it's going to be called a forwards pass. When you look at the video(it's up on ESPN - 1:14:45), you can see the ball is almost directly on the 45 when it leaves Lance's hand. And the ball hits the receiver in the gut as his feet are barely behind the 45(one foot is partially covering it) and he's leaning forward. That also puts the ball on the 45. The pass is about 20 yards in distance, and it travels no more than three inches in either direction(pretty much the width of a yard line). Officials aren't going to try to split that hair.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I disagree with your assessment and put most of the blame on the play calling. Where were the designed QB runs, the TE's were non existent, no RB wheel routes, screen plays. I think there was one WR jet sweep that got good yardage then never called again. Tyler seemed obsessed with trying to run power and we were beating our heads against a wall. Totally on him for this output today. The Redbirds played well defensively but we played way too conservatively and made defending us easier then it should have been.


This here. Hats off to the Redbird defensive scheme but the offensive play calling was horrible IMO. Roehl kept with the A gap running when it wasn't there.

Agree with the TEs....should have used them more. Plus when they spread out the Redbird defense with 4 wideouts, TL had big gaps in the running game. Roehl called a poor game and nothing else. OL had a poor game also.

[BisonBacker]

This here. Hats off to the Redbird defensive scheme but the offensive play calling was horrible IMO. Roehl kept with the A gap running when it wasn't there.

Agree with the TEs....should have used them more. Plus when they spread out the Redbird defense with 4 wideouts, TL had big gaps in the running game. Roehl called a poor game and nothing else. OL had a poor game also.

Agree with our anemic offensive play calling. I'm hoping he learns from this. Someone else commented earlier about this being reminiscent of polacek and Wentz and Stick bailing out bad plays that were called by the OC. It show's that Trey isn't as advanced nor should he be as just a Freshman but as he learns and is given more control to audible we'll hopefully see better results. But our Oline play today was god awful and credit should be given to ISU. We got outcoached but still found a way to win.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Agree with our anemic offensive play calling. I'm hoping he learns from this. Someone else commented earlier about this being reminiscent of polacek and Wentz and Stick bailing out bad plays that were called by the OC. It show's that Trey isn't as advanced nor should he be as just a Freshman but as he learns and is given more control to audible we'll hopefully see better results. But our Oline play today was god awful and credit should be given to ISU. We got outcoached but still found a way to win.



This here big time.

Credit Spack. Ill State brought extra defenders on almost every play. Backside DEs and LBs were crashing hard and made a lot of plays.....easy to do when you are not blocked. Poor adjustments from the NDSU coaching staff. No misdirection, no reverses, no screens.....NDSU definitely got outcoached.

[dewey]

This here big time.

Credit Spack. Ill State brought extra defenders on almost every play. Backside DEs and LBs were crashing hard and made a lot of plays.....easy to do when you are not blocked. Poor adjustments from the NDSU coaching staff. No misdirection, no reverses, no screens.....NDSU definitely got outcoached.

The play calling in the Illinois State game and from what I recall the SDSU game were very predictable.

Jet sweeps, screens, wheel route out of the diamond formation, quarterback power runs or sweeps. Come on TR get it together.

Dewey

[POD Knows]

Watched the game again last night, the offense in the first half looked a little better at second glance. ISUr make some nice plays on D in the red zone and got helped big time by a no call on a PI. Second half was absolute offensive rubbish by NDSU. I am convinced they watched the UNI/ISUr game and rolled in into the game plan, NDSU us up 9-0 and JMU was up 10-0. Purely playing not to lose football and I guess it worked.

Also, WTF was the deal with the yardage lines. Was the "carpet" laid out that bad? I also didn't think that the "pass" was clearly a lateral but that is another subject.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Reminder: you can't advance a fumble in college ball. Even if it had been ruled a backwards pass, Illinois only gets the ball at the 50 or wherever that happened. Given the way the game played out, highly unlikely they get any points at all from it.
this just isn't true .. why would you not be able to pick up a fumble and return it, it happens all the time.

[No_Skill]

Yep, looked it up and you guys are right. I blame old age combined with getting all my football rules knowledge from ignorant announcers. :)

[Gil Dobie]

Also, WTF was the deal with the yardage lines. Was the "carpet" laid out that bad? I also didn't think that the "pass" was clearly a lateral but that is another subject.

I thought it was close, but not a lateral. The ESPN announcers made it sound like it was a lateral.

[ysubigred]

I thought it was close, but not a lateral. The ESPN announcers made it sound like it was a lateral.Nice hommerism there Gil. Your receiver was not in front of the throw at best he was parallel.

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[Redbird 4th & short]

Yep, looked it up and you guys are right. I blame old age combined with getting all my football rules knowledge from ignorant announcers. :)
there are different rules about advancing the ball when it comes to things like blocked punts and kicks, or clearly batting a fumbled ball forward to gain an advantage. I would have to look those up to know for sure .. but nothig on a standard fumble that gets scooped up.

Bad calls worked out even .. though ours directly took 7 points off board. But call it even. We had a very good day on defense, but the team who played slightly better won. Good luck the rest of way !!!

[Loyl2u]

First time to the Fargo Dome and the hospitality was as expected, great people and good atmosphere, even on a really cold morning and a really long drive home to central Illinois last night. Close calls went both ways as they typically do - had a pretty good view from the northwest corner of a couple and they could have went either way, even Bison fans in the area agreed that in real time the non-PI call and the non-lateral looked like they could be called either way. Both teams played conservative for a reason- ISU had no other offensive options left in the MASH unit, NDSU didn’t want to give up a big turnover, which was the way that the ISU defensive has been making a living and scoring points for their team. I said earlier it is tougher to beat somebody twice in a season - I’m still looking for the statistical breakdown of that for the Bison fan who questioned it, but it played out as expected, the cliches are there for a reason and defense travels in the playoffs. I expected that the Birds would need to have no turnovers and get a bi break. NDSU Played it close to the vest and didn’t give the Redbird defense too many opportunities to make a big play. The Bison defense will likely be the best now left in the final four, from what I’ve seen. Next week should be much more back-to-normal for Bison. MVC again well represented in quarters, both ISU and UNI found ways to compete, ugly as it may have been, after beating up on each other all season. Good luck to the Bison next week.

[Gil Dobie]

Nice hommerism there Gil. Your receiver was not in front of the throw at best he was parallel.

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It's the line of the ball, not where the receiver was.

[Hammersmith]

I thought it was close, but not a lateral. The ESPN announcers made it sound like it was a lateral.

Arrrgh. No such thing as a lateral. (that was a smiling frustration arrrgh, not an angry frustration arrgh ;)) Damn announcers and their made-up ****.

It's forwards or backwards. That's it. And if it's very close(like having to get out a protractor to figure it out), it's forwards by default. (That info from a fairly high up official)

[ysubigred]

It's the line of the ball, not where the receiver was.Exactly, that's why the receiver had to step back to try and catch it. Just sayin [emoji111]

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[Bisonoline]

Agree with our anemic offensive play calling. I'm hoping he learns from this. Someone else commented earlier about this being reminiscent of polacek and Wentz and Stick bailing out bad plays that were called by the OC. It show's that Trey isn't as advanced nor should he be as just a Freshman but as he learns and is given more control to audible we'll hopefully see better results. But our Oline play today was god awful and credit should be given to ISU. We got outcoached but still found a way to win.

They had us out schemed and we didnt adjust. TR couldnt get his head out of his play card. No TE play. No double TE running off the tackles. No slants or drag routes. I could go on. May be it all had to do with the flu I dont know. One thing is for sure--after they figured out what we couldnt do we went to a field position game and put it all one the defense.

[Hammersmith]

Exactly, that's why the receiver had to step back to try and catch it. Just sayin [emoji111]

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???

He stepped and leaned forward, he didn't step back. The call on the field was correct.

[ysubigred]

???

He stepped and leaned forward, he didn't step back. The call on the field was correct.Bull **** [emoji848] Bet the Red Birds wouldn't have the same call.

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[Hammersmith]

Bull **** [emoji848] Bet the Red Birds wouldn't have the same call.

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Have you watched the replay and paid close attention to where the ball was when it left the QB's hand and where it was when it touched the WR? I have. It's super ****ing close. In fact, it's impossible to be absolutely sure. When it's that close, the guidance to officials in cases like this is rule it a forward pass. The guidance is not to look at whether it's clearly moving forwards, it's whether it's clearly moving backwards. If it's in the gray area in between, the default is forwards.* This one was in the gray area. I think it moved very slightly backwards(maybe 1" or 2" over 60'), but I can't be certain considering the distortions of perspective due to the camera angle and the overall lack of video quality(these are not NFL-quality super-high resolution and frame-rate cameras).

Yes, I would make the same argument if it was the other way around. It wasn't that many weeks ago where I was arguing against other Bison fans because of a call that didn't go our way.


*This came from an actual college football official. I may have paraphrased it a bit, but I didn't change the content or spirit.

[mvfcfan]

I couldn't watch the game, but I listened to it through the NDSU stream. I thought ILSU should have kept it on the ground on their next to last possession. They were starting to wear down the Bison defense it sounded like. Then they tried to throw the ball and got sacked which killed them. Then I don't understand why they didn't rush the punter before they got the ball back the final time when they knew how bad their passing game was.

[Chalupa Batman]

Have you watched the replay and paid close attention to where the ball was when it left the QB's hand and where it was when it touched the WR? I have. It's super ****ing close. In fact, it's impossible to be absolutely sure. When it's that close, the guidance to officials in cases like this is rule it a forward pass. The guidance is not to look at whether it's clearly moving forwards, it's whether it's clearly moving backwards. If it's in the gray area in between, the default is forwards.* This one was in the gray area. I think it moved very slightly backwards(maybe 1" or 2" over 60'), but I can't be certain considering the distortions of perspective due to the camera angle and the overall lack of video quality(these are not NFL-quality super-high resolution and frame-rate cameras).

Yes, I would make the same argument if it was the other way around. It wasn't that many weeks ago where I was arguing against other Bison fans because of a call that didn't go our way.


*This came from an actual college football official. I may have paraphrased it a bit, but I didn't change the content or spirit.

Everyone is also failing to take into account the curvature of the yard line in the Fargodome.

[POD Knows]

Bull **** [emoji848] Bet the Red Birds wouldn't have the same call.

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What R U talking about. You had multiple non calls on PI’s go your way during the game.

[POD Knows]

Everyone is also failing to take into account the curvature of the yard line in the Fargodome.
Yea. WTF was going on with that.

[BisonFan02]

Yea. WTF was going on with that.

The turf is royally ****ed up....they "fixed" the endzone tear on our end....and that probably shifted the entire middle of the field.

[ysubigred]

What R U talking about. You had multiple non calls on PI’s go your way during the game.LOL just ****ing with the Golden Buffaloe faithful. Being a NDSU fan must be like rooting for the POTUS,,, never get sick of winning [emoji106][emoji111][emoji869]

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[POD Knows]

The turf is royally ****ed up....they "fixed" the endzone tear on our end....and that probably shifted the entire middle of the field.That wasn't fixed yet, there is still a tear on the end line at the back of the end zone.

[POD Knows]

LOL just ****ing with the Golden Buffaloe faithful. Being a NDSU fan must be like rooting for the POTUS,,, never get sick of winning [emoji106][emoji111][emoji869]

Sent from my SM-G965U using TapatalkWell, we expect to get every call and win every game by 4 td's at least or it is a wasted Saturday.

[ysubigred]

Well, we expect to get every call and win every game by 4 td's at least or it is a wasted Saturday.

xeyebrowx By the looks of the missing 5k in the dome Saturday you maybe onto something.

[POD Knows]

xeyebrowx By the looks of the missing 5k in the dome Saturday you maybe onto something.Yea, tons of bandwagon fans that are bored with the bandwagon. They can blow me.

[neverobeyed]

Yea, tons of bandwagon fans that are bored with the bandwagon. They can blow me.

You're gonna have to block out the whole afternoon for that. Maybe miss lunch, too.

[Lorne_Malvo]

Yea, tons of bandwagon fans that are bored with the bandwagon. They can blow me.


Its not a problem with general admission fans, its Team Makers and season ticket holders getting too many tickets and not using them.

[Bisonator]

The turf is royally ****ed up....they "fixed" the endzone tear on our end....and that probably shifted the entire middle of the field.


That wasn't fixed yet, there is still a tear on the end line at the back of the end zone.
I wonder if they are going to replace the turf again. The magic carpet system doesn't seem to work well with the new field turf. It looks like it's aging faster then the previous stuff.

[POD Knows]

Its not a problem with general admission fans, its Team Makers and season ticket holders getting too many tickets and not using them.
Oh, I agree, if the playoff attendance keeps going like this, I am just going to surrender my tickets in section 6 during the playoffs and buy up the 50 yard line seats that are always open, it is the same money. There were tons of them on both the east side and west side last weekend. Seats pretty close to the field as well, but I imagine some moron "redeemed" their season tickets for the playoff games and didn't show but I would guess most are people that just decided not to go.

I picked up my tickets at the SHAC today and they said ticket sales were brisk and there were quite a few people in the lobby this morning getting their tickets, it was a morque for the ISUr game. I also noticed that there are maybe only 50 or so GA seats in the south end zone left, there were hundreds last weekend so I think the crowd is going to be pretty good on Saturday.

[Bisonoline]

Oh, I agree, if the playoff attendance keeps going like this, I am just going to surrender my tickets in section 6 during the playoffs and buy up the 50 yard line seats that are always open, it is the same money. There were tons of them on both the east side and west side last weekend. Seats pretty close to the field as well, but I imagine some moron "redeemed" their season tickets for the playoff games and didn't show but I would guess most are people that just decided not to go.

I picked up my tickets at the SHAC today and they said ticket sales were brisk and there were quite a few people in the lobby this morning getting their tickets, it was a morque for the ISUr game. I also noticed that there are maybe only 50 or so GA seats in the south end zone left, there were hundreds last weekend so I think the crowd is going to be pretty good on Saturday.

Its also going to be warmer this weekend.

You dont see as many rental commercial white tents in the lot this year. Why??? a company came in and raised its rates. Last year it was 420.00. a game And we lost money on that. This year the rate was almost 800.00. So alot of people stayed home.

[Bisonoline]

I couldn't watch the game, but I listened to it through the NDSU stream. I thought ILSU should have kept it on the ground on their next to last possession. They were starting to wear down the Bison defense it sounded like. Then they tried to throw the ball and got sacked which killed them. Then I don't understand why they didn't rush the punter before they got the ball back the final time when they knew how bad their passing game was.

Must have been a different game than the one I was watching.

[POD Knows]

Its also going to be warmer this weekend.

You dont see as many rental commercial white tents in the lot this year. Why??? a company came in and raised its rates. Last year it was 420.00. a game And we lost money on that. This year the rate was almost 800.00. So alot of people stayed home.Now that's inflation

[Professor]

Its also going to be warmer this weekend.

You dont see as many rental commercial white tents in the lot this year. Why??? a company came in and raised its rates. Last year it was 420.00. a game And we lost money on that. This year the rate was almost 800.00. So alot of people stayed home.

That is ridiculous

[Professor]

Illinois State hasn't beat NDSU since 2010. Why were people expecting something different

[X-Factor]

Illinois State hasn't beat NDSU since 2010. Why were people expecting something different

It was a quarterfinal game. Fans always think their team has the stars aligned when they get that far. Hope springs eternal

[cx500d]

Illinois State hasn't beat NDSU since 2010. Why were people expecting something different
Maybe they changed to a triple option that nobody has ever seen before

[Redbird 4th & short]

Must have been a different game than the one I was watching.
correct, we got off to decent enough start running the ball, but actually faded as game progressed. Robinson had most of his yards in 1st half.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Illinois State hasn't beat NDSU since 2010. Why were people expecting something different
I'm confused by the point of your post ... who was expecting something different to happen ? Did I pick my Redbirds .. yes, I'm a fan. Did I or would I have bet on my Redbirds ... no, I fullly get it.

And over 90% of posters picked NDSU by 14 to 20 points .. I believe the oddsmakers gave them an 83% chance of winning.

so again, who are you saying was expecting something different ?

[TheKingpin28]

Maybe they changed to a triple option that nobody has ever seen beforeCombined with that #SouthernSpeed you really did not know what was going to happen.

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[mvfcfan]

Must have been a different game than the one I was watching.

3 key phrases in my post: "Sounded like, listened to, couldn't watch". Your radio guys announcing the game too.

[Professor]

I'm confused by the point of your post ... who was expecting something different to happen ? Did I pick my Redbirds .. yes, I'm a fan. Did I or would I have bet on my Redbirds ... no, I fullly get it.

And over 90% of posters picked NDSU by 14 to 20 points .. I believe the oddsmakers gave them an 83% chance of winning.

so again, who are you saying was expecting something different ?

If you read the thread , a lot of posters were going on and on about ISU performance Sat. My point is , regardless of how good a game it is ... we all know the end result

[Redbird 4th & short]

If you read the thread , a lot of posters were going on and on about ISU performance Sat. My point is , regardless of how good a game it is ... we all know the end result
that is already clearly to all, so still don't get your point

[Professor]

that is already clearly to all, so still don't get your point

It's ok. Don't lose any sleep over it

[Redbird 4th & short]

It's ok. Don't lose any sleep over it
this is a message board .. people always talk about games after they are over. You seem to be trying to discount the significance of the game for some reason .. as if it proves the MVFC is not as good as advertised because we played the top team tougher than anyone else did this year.

You questioning why people are talking about it is odd.

p.s. losing zero sleep over it

[Sycamore62]

Did anyone notice in the next to last ISUr drive they ran the clock when the player ended up running out of bounds? I thought that was a really bad call. he was hit in bounds, ended up stepping out of bound with nobody contacting him and where he stepped out was the farthest point he had reached and where they placed the ball. it cost them a timeout.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Did anyone notice in the next to last ISUr drive they ran the clock when the player ended up running out of bounds? I thought that was a really bad call. he was hit in bounds, ended up stepping out of bound with nobody contacting him and where he stepped out was the farthest point he had reached and where they placed the ball. it cost them a timeout.
I'm always confused by that .. not sure I know the rule ... but yeah, I was screaming at the TV for them to stop the stupid clock.

What is the rule ???

[Sycamore62]

I'm always confused by that .. not sure I know the rule ... but yeah, I was screaming at the TV for them to stop the stupid clock.

What is the rule ???

my rule of thumb, If when you go out of bounds and that is the farthest progress you get stop the clock. if you get hit and you get progress farther than where you went out of bounds run the clock

[Professor]

this is a message board .. people always talk about games after they are over. You seem to be trying to discount the significance of the game for some reason .. as if it proves the MVFC is not as good as advertised because we played the top team tougher than anyone else did this year.

You questioning why people are talking about it is odd.

p.s. losing zero sleep over it

no I question why people assume that ISU had a chance to win. I was mentioning the comments during the game how people were doubting NDSU. All season i have said, it will be JMU vs NDSU in Frisco. So why people were doubting them pulling it out baffled me

PS Since your losing sleep , i would suggest a lavender spray on your pillow before you lay down. That might help

[Professor Chaos]

Did anyone notice in the next to last ISUr drive they ran the clock when the player ended up running out of bounds? I thought that was a really bad call. he was hit in bounds, ended up stepping out of bound with nobody contacting him and where he stepped out was the farthest point he had reached and where they placed the ball. it cost them a timeout.


I'm always confused by that .. not sure I know the rule ... but yeah, I was screaming at the TV for them to stop the stupid clock.

What is the rule ???
Unless it's in the last 2 minutes of a half the clock only stops when the ball carrier goes out of bounds until the ball is set. Then the white hat winds the clock again.

[Sycamore62]

Unless it's in the last 2 minutes of a half the clock only stops when the ball carrier goes out of bounds until the ball is set. Then the white hat winds the clock again.

true but the covering official was winding the clock so it could have saved some time. it must have been the play at 3:09 so it would have restarted again.

[Redbird 4th & short]

no I question why people assume that ISU had a chance to win. I was mentioning the comments during the game how people were doubting NDSU. All season i have said, it will be JMU vs NDSU in Frisco. So why people were doubting them pulling it out baffled me

PS Since your losing sleep , i would suggest a lavender spray on your pillow before you lay down. That might help
yet R.A is leading the way and were still taking about MEAC's 3rd place team not making playoffs over 4 weeks ago ?? But talking about our game last saturday is too much for you ? And you take no issue with R.A. and his off the charts assertions ... will you call him out ... or no ?

[Professor]

yet R.A is leading the way and were still taking about MEAC's 3rd place team not making playoffs over 4 weeks ago ?? But talking about our game last saturday is too much for you ? And you take no issue with R.A. and his off the charts assertions ... will you call him out ... or no ?

This is an entirely different subject and has nothing to do with your obsession with HBCUs.

This is about the ISU vs NDSU game. My point still remains , why would people on this thread doubt NDSU. They have beat ISU everytime they have played since 2011. Nothing i saw this season from both teams showed me that this outcome would be different. It's moreso saying stop the NDSU hate because they are dominating and trying to elevate anyone they play to a world beater status.

[Redbird 4th & short]

This is an entirely different subject and has nothing to do with your obsession with HBCUs.

This is about the ISU vs NDSU game. My point still remains , why would people on this thread doubt NDSU. They have beat ISU everytime they have played since 2011. Nothing i saw this season from both teams showed me that this outcome would be different. It's moreso saying stop the NDSU hate because they are dominating and trying to elevate anyone they play to a world beater status.
youre not paying attention .. my original response was .. who was underestimating the Bison ? Which you never answered. Again, Vegas gave them only 83% chance of winning, i think posters on AGS gave them over 90% chance. Some (maybe one) admittedly pick Redbirds just because they were trying to make up ground in the MVFC pick em. The rest were probably Redbird fans .. that is how that usually works, you pick your team. But you took issue with people still talking about the game from less than a week ago .. which again is odd, especially given your MEAC buddy R.A. .. who you give a free pass to spew anything.

[Professor]

youre not paying attention .. my original response was .. who was underestimating the Bison ? Which you never answered. Again, Vegas gave them only 83% chance of winning, i think posters on AGS gave them over 90% chance. Some (maybe one) admittedly pick Redbirds just because they were trying to make up ground in the MVFC pick em. The rest were probably Redbird fans .. that is how that usually works, you pick your team. But you took issue with people still talking about the game from less than a week ago .. which again is odd, especially given your MEAC buddy R.A. .. who you give a free pass to spew anything.

Several posters on this topic. The comments were how the Bison were off. They looked unprepared. Etc. Sigh , have no issue with people talking bout the game . My comment is why were people doubting NDSU. Has nothing to do with the time. Again , WHY WERE PEOPLE DOUBTING NDSU LIKE THEY WERE GOING TO LOSE. That was , is and will continue to be the point i was making. No matter how you want to turn this into a HBCU conversation. This yet again is why folks thought NDSU wasn't going to win this game

[Redbird 4th & short]

Several posters on this topic. The comments were how the Bison were off. They looked unprepared. Etc.

that was post game talk, it is very normal, especially as it relates to how they are playing and "can NDSU be beaten" .. but you keep shifting your original point.

[Professor Chaos]

true but the covering official was winding the clock so it could have saved some time. it must have been the play at 3:09 so it would have restarted again.
Yeah, I know what play you're talking about. NDSU actually had the ball there and Trey Lance was stretched out on a QB run and forced out of bounds. The clock should've stopped until the ball was set. Spack ended up calling a timeout anyway. Maybe had the clock stopped like it should've he would've saved that TO and just let the 25 seconds or so run off the clock using it after 3rd down instead which would've saved them probably 10-20 seconds. I doubt it matters in the end but definitely a bad call by the referees to not stop the clock for Lance going OB.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Yeah, I know what play you're talking about. NDSU actually had the ball there and Trey Lance was stretched out on a QB run and forced out of bounds. The clock should've stopped until the ball was set. Spack ended up calling a timeout anyway. Maybe had the clock stopped like it should've he would've saved that TO and just let the 25 seconds or so run off the clock using it after 3rd down instead which would've saved them probably 10-20 seconds. I doubt it matters in the end but definitely a bad call by the referees to not stop the clock for Lance going OB.

i thought he was talking about an ISUr play where we got out of bounds and were not tackled inside 2 minutes, but clock kept running

[Professor]

that was post game talk, it is very normal, especially as it relates to how they are playing and "can NDSU be beaten" .. but you keep shifting your original point.

no it all thru the thread that folks were doubting NDSU. My point again , if NDSU can be beaten , why hasn't it happened. Amd why think a team that hasn't beat them since 2011 is going to do it. But hey whatever your say lol

[Redbird 4th & short]

no it all thru the thread that folks were doubting NDSU. My point again , if NDSU can be beaten , why hasn't it happened. Amd why think a team that hasn't beat them since 2011 is going to do it. But hey whatever your say lol
just wow .. I have no idea which thread youre talking about.

you see the vote above .... 78 to 7 ... that is over 90%. You see the margins predicted on the MVFC pick em thread almost all were 2 or 3 TDs.

Again .. just an odd line of thinking. It was a very competitive game despite all the predictions we would be beaten easily. It was a great game for ISUr ... just get over it.

[Professor]

just wow .. I have no idea which thread youre talking about.

you see the vote above .... 78 to 7 ... that is over 90%. You see the margins predicted on the MVFC pick em thread almost all were 2 or 3 TDs.

Again .. just an odd line of thinking. It was a very competitive game despite all the predictions we would be beaten easily. It was a great game for ISUr ... just get over it.

I'm fine . its a message board for discussion. Which i was having. Your in your feelings, why idk

[Professor Chaos]

i thought he was talking about an ISUr play where we got out of bounds and were not tackled inside 2 minutes, but clock kept running
The clock did stop for that one until the next snap. I'm assuming you're talking about Jefferson's 2nd down scramble on the last drive. The other 3 plays of that series were all incompletions.

[cx500d]

no I question why people assume that ISU had a chance to win. I was mentioning the comments during the game how people were doubting NDSU. All season i have said, it will be JMU vs NDSU in Frisco. So why people were doubting them pulling it out baffled me

PS Since your losing sleep , i would suggest a lavender spray on your pillow before you lay down. That might help
They had a chance to win because a TD and extra point would have won it. All it takes is one busted coverage.

[Bisonoline]

no I question why people assume that ISU had a chance to win. I was mentioning the comments during the game how people were doubting NDSU. All season i have said, it will be JMU vs NDSU in Frisco. So why people were doubting them pulling it out baffled me

PS Since your losing sleep , i would suggest a lavender spray on your pillow before you lay down. That might help

You really cant be serious? Because of your prediction Nobody could have a different point of view? And yes me being an NDSU fan and former player Knew ISU was dangerous and could beat us..

[Redbird 4th & short]

You really cant be serious? Because of your prediction Nobody could have a different point of view? And yes me being an NDSU fan and former player Knew ISU was dangerous and could beat us..
His implied point keeps shifting at times referencing posting before, during, and after the game .. still dont get his point but it seems like he is trying to diminish fact that we played you so tough that day and could have won. Better team played better and won ... but we played our butts off and gave it ourselves a chance.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

Looks like ISU has a lot coming back. Robinson will be hard to replace. Too bad he doesn't have another year, he is young. Defense should be stout next year too.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Did anyone notice in the next to last ISUr drive they ran the clock when the player ended up running out of bounds? I thought that was a really bad call. he was hit in bounds, ended up stepping out of bound with nobody contacting him and where he stepped out was the farthest point he had reached and where they placed the ball. it cost them a timeout.
This was original post ... and I do recall this ISUr play .. he got hit in bounds and broke from tackle before going out of bounds untouched.. not complaining.. just wish I understood the rule.

[cx500d]

This was original post ... and I do recall this ISUr play .. he got hit in bounds and broke from tackle before going out of bounds untouched.. not complaining.. just wish I understood the rule.
This seems to happen a lot...Ive seen it in plenty of games where the guy goes out of bounds and the clock keeps running.

[that guy]

In general I think the refs just get tired of seeing punts; that way they don't have to pick up a flag for some bs block in the back.

[Redbird 4th & short]

finally got to see replay of the "lateral" play .. it was clearly backwards. Lance was inside the 5 yard line marker and his body was facing the sideline in clearly in front of the line by at least a half yard and he was throwing overhand. The flight path clearly went sideways initially but then tailed off abit and hit the receiver just behind the line .. there is no doubt it ends up almost a full yard backwards. I know the lines were screwed up but the ball clearly tailed backwards a bit.

There were definitely bad calls both ways, so call it even for the entire game. And the better team who played better overall won. But that was a lateral.

Good luck today .. I'm thinking you will have much easier time in the trenches today and that will prove to be the difference as game progresses.