Bo Sox/ Yanks

[AppGuy04]

3 games series starts tonight

Yanks are currently 10.5 games out. If they want to salvage this season, now is the time to start.

Monday
Wakefield vs Wang

[AppGuy04]

ARod hits #18

2-0 Yanks in the 1st

[AppGuy04]

Jeter commits error, loading the bases for Youk

[AppGuy04]

Wang strikes out Youk after questionable 2 strike call

[AppGuy04]

Giambi homers to upperdeck

3-0 Yankees, bottom 2

[UNHWildCats]

the cheater homered

[AppGuy04]

Jeter drives in Cano, 4-0

[AppGuy04]

Ortiz doubles in a run

4-1 Yankees, top 5

[appfan2008]

good to see arod getting it going again... he was in a mighty rough slump for a couple of weeks there

[AppGuy04]

Yanks win 6-2

[appfan2008]

baseball needs the sox and yanks together at the top... so good for baseball and the yanks need to keep coming back

[GannonFan]

baseball needs the sox and yanks together at the top... so good for baseball and the yanks need to keep coming back


That's an east coast (northeast coast) bias if I ever heard one. The Yanks, over the past 45 years, have had some god awful years - most of the 60's, pretty much the whole 80's - and baseball did just fine. Amazingly enough, and I echo Wilbon here from PTI, there are plenty of baseball fans out there who don't really care about the Yanks and the Sawks. xthumbsupx

[PantherRob82]

Yankees looked good tonight. That's another game of the Red Sox lead.

[CopperCat]

Yankees looked good tonight. That's another game of the Red Sox lead.

Only one game though. They still have a hell of a hole to get out of (and so does the rest of the division).

Yankees pitching is not near deep enough (even with Clemens, he's an old man and really isn't all he's cracked out to be) to get out of that hole. Wang looked good tonite, but he's only one pitcher. If anything is going to happen with the Yanks current deficit, and the AL East in general, then the BoSox will have to have some kind of meltdown, which if history says anything then that is a definite possibility.

[PantherRob82]

Only one game though. They still have a hell of a hole to get out of (and so does the rest of the division).

Yankees pitching is not near deep enough (even with Clemens, he's an old man and really isn't all he's cracked out to be) to get out of that hole. Wang looked good tonite, but he's only one pitcher. If anything is going to happen with the Yanks current deficit, and the AL East in general, then the BoSox will have to have some kind of meltdown, which if history says anything then that is a definite possibility.

If they can keep winning games against Boston that would make up a lot of ground. It's a long season. Not a Yankees fan, but it's far from over.

[JoltinJoe]

That's an east coast (northeast coast) bias if I ever heard one. The Yanks, over the past 45 years, have had some god awful years - most of the 60's, pretty much the whole 80's - and baseball did just fine. Amazingly enough, and I echo Wilbon here from PTI, there are plenty of baseball fans out there who don't really care about the Yanks and the Sawks. xthumbsupx

It's news to me that the Yankees were awful in the 1980s. No team won as many games during the 1980s than the Yankees (854 wins). In 10 seasons in the 1980s, the Yankees finished under .500 only twice and not in consecutive years.

The only truly awful stretch the Yankees have had since the late 60s and early 70s was in 1990 through 1992.

[AppGuy04]

The Yankees had their so-called ace on the mound, they should have won

[dbackjon]

Rutland VT news headline:

A-Rod, Wang do in BoSox

http://www.rutlandherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070522/SPORTS/705220353/1007/SPORTS

[AppGuy04]

Tavarez (2-4, 5.59)

vs

Mussina (2-2, 5.64)

tonight

[GannonFan]

It's news to me that the Yankees were awful in the 1980s. No team won as many games during the 1980s than the Yankees (854 wins). In 10 seasons in the 1980s, the Yankees finished under .500 only twice and not in consecutive years.

The only truly awful stretch the Yankees have had since the late 60s and early 70s was in 1990 through 1992.

I take back the stink comment - but after 1981 they were a non-factor most of the way - maybe not bad teams, but certainly not good teams. After 1981, they didn't even make the post-season until 1995. They weren't a factor nationally in terms of being good for baseball as the previous poster mentioned.

[JoltinJoe]

I take back the stink comment - but after 1981 they were a non-factor most of the way - maybe not bad teams, but certainly not good teams. After 1981, they didn't even make the post-season until 1995. They weren't a factor nationally in terms of being good for baseball as the previous poster mentioned.

Although the Yankees didn't make the post-season between 1981 and 1995, you really can't say they "weren't a factor" during the 1980s. In three seasons, they won over 90 or more games:

1982, 79-83 .488
1983, 91-71 .562
1984, 87-75 .537
1985, 97-64 .602
1986, 90-72, .556
1987, 89-73, .549
1988, 85-76, .528

The spiral downward starts in 1989:
1989, 74-87 .460
1990, 67-95, .414
1991, 71-91, .438
1992, 76-86, .469

The resurgence starts in 1993:

1993, 88-74, .543
1994, 70-43, .619 (best record in AL at time of strike)

[AppGuy04]

4-2 Sox after 6

[TheValleyRaider]

Good friend of mine is a Sox fan, and whenever there is mention of the name Julian Tavarez, it's usually followed by words not suitable for a family website. And yet, so far this year, Tavarez seems to be doing just fine against the Yankees. Go figure

[GannonFan]

Although the Yankees didn't make the post-season between 1981 and 1995, you really can't say they "weren't a factor" during the 1980s. In three seasons, they won over 90 or more games:

1982, 79-83 .488
1983, 91-71 .562
1984, 87-75 .537
1985, 97-64 .602
1986, 90-72, .556
1987, 89-73, .549
1988, 85-76, .528

The spiral downward starts in 1989:
1989, 74-87 .460
1990, 67-95, .414
1991, 71-91, .438
1992, 76-86, .469

The resurgence starts in 1993:

1993, 88-74, .543
1994, 70-43, .619 (best record in AL at time of strike)

No, I still say they weren't a factor - they just weren't close to winning the AL East at the time - they only managed to finish within 2 games of first once during that whole time. And if they weren't winning the division, they could win 90 games as much as they'd like, but they weren't going to be a factor watching someone else play every October. Here's where they finished GB's every year. Most of the time, they weren't all that close.

1993 7.0
1992 20.0
1991 20.0
1990 21.0
1989 14.5
1988 3.5
1987 9.0
1986 5.5
1985 2.0
1984 17.0
1983 7.0
1982 16.0

[CopperCat]

If they can keep winning games against Boston that would make up a lot of ground. It's a long season. Not a Yankees fan, but it's far from over.

Well, Tavarez beat them tonite 7-3, and he ain't the best pitcher either. 10.5 games back is a big hole to climb. If the Yanks win the division, I will be very surprised.

[aggie6thman]

Does anyone really care about the Yankees-Red Sox series? I really am getting tired of hearing about it.xgiveadamnx

[JoltinJoe]

No, I still say they weren't a factor - they just weren't close to winning the AL East at the time - they only managed to finish within 2 games of first once during that whole time. And if they weren't winning the division, they could win 90 games as much as they'd like, but they weren't going to be a factor watching someone else play every October. Here's where they finished GB's every year. Most of the time, they weren't all that close.

1993 7.0
1992 20.0
1991 20.0
1990 21.0
1989 14.5
1988 3.5
1987 9.0
1986 5.5
1985 2.0
1984 17.0
1983 7.0
1982 16.0

But you said that they were awful which you then changed to "not a factor" during the 1980s. The Yankees were very much a factor in 1985, 1986m and 1988. In each season, they were in contention down to the wire with a shot at the AL East title.

My points, in response to your statements, were that the Yankees won more games in the 1980s, in response to your statement that they were "awful," and that in a number of seasons they were in contention to win the AL East.

[GannonFan]

But you said that they were awful which you then changed to "not a factor" during the 1980s. The Yankees were very much a factor in 1985, 1986m and 1988. In each season, they were in contention down to the wire with a shot at the AL East title.

My points, in response to your statements, were that the Yankees won more games in the 1980s, in response to your statement that they were "awful," and that in a number of seasons they were in contention to win the AL East.

We're just going around and around now - I already conceeded that they weren't awful - that's a moot point now. My statement was, though, that they were a non-factor from pretty much 1982 and on and that, barring a year here or there, was true. Even some of those years when they won 90 games they were way behind in the AL East. Granted, there were some really good AL East teams every now and then that caused that, but the point remains that the Yankees weren't a blip on the radar after 1981 - some good years? Yes, but nothing to make anyone take notice. That's what happens when you miss the playoffs for a decade and a half.

[Col Hogan]

Just thought I'd see how the Red Sox Avatar will look on your posts, Joe.....xlolx xlolx :p

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[AppGuy04]

1-0 Yanks on Jeter rbi single

[AppGuy04]

Matsui 2 run homer, 3-0 Yanks

[Reed Rothchild]

Yanks up 6-0. Why is this thread so quiet????????

[Reed Rothchild]

Bottom 6, same score. The faulted boston lineup getting shutout. Whazzup?????????

[PantherRob82]

yankees take the series.

[Peems]

gotta start somewhere

[CopperCat]

yankees take the series.

They may have won the battle, but the war is not over. And right now, BoSox are winning that war.

[CopperCat]

BoSox win another one today (saturday) while the Yanks loose another. NY is 11.5 games out, Toronto is 11 out. The hole isn't getting any smaller for the pinstripes.

Steinbrenner is putting the heat on GM Brian Cashman. Cashman had asked for control of the team as was given it. Now that he has one of the weakest pitching staffs in the bigs, he'd better come up with something rather soon to help out his team, or he may lose his job.

Roger Clemens is just a flash in the pan. He's done more for media hype than he will for the AL East standings. Nice try Cashman, but it ain't enough.