Your MLB All-Star team

[AppGuy04]

Make your MLB All-Star team- 8 position players, 1 SP, 1 RP, No DH as the game is in SF

American League
C- Victor Martinez(Mauer if he wasn't injured)
1B- Justin Morneau(Ortiz if he actually played the field)
2B- BJ Upton
SS- Derek Jeter(just about the only option sadly)
3B- Alex Rodriguez
OF- Magglio Ordonez
OF- Torii Hunter
OF- Vlad Guerrero
SP- Dan Haren(Beckett at 100%)
RP- Jonathan Papelbon


National League
C- Russell Martin
1B- Derrek Lee
2B- Chase Utley
SS- JJ Hardy(sorry Mets fans)
3B- Chipper Jones
OF- Carlos Lee
OF- Matt Holliday
OF- Adam Dunn
SP- Jake Peavy
RP- Francisco Cordero

[tribe_pride]

Make your MLB All-Star team- 8 position players, 1 SP, 1 RP, No DH as the game is in SF

American League
C- Victor Martinez(Mauer if he wasn't injured)
1B- Justin Morneau(Ortiz if he actually played the field)
2B- BJ Upton
SS- Derek Jeter(just about the only option sadly)
3B- Alex Rodriguez
OF- Magglio Ordonez
OF- Torii Hunter
OF- Vlad Guerrero
SP- Dan Haren(Beckett at 100%)
RP- Jonathan Papelbon


National League
C- Russell Martin
1B- Derrek Lee
2B- Chase Utley
SS- JJ Hardy(sorry Mets fans)
3B- Chipper Jones
OF- Carlos Lee
OF- Matt Holliday
OF- Adam Dunn
SP- Jake Peavy
RP- Francisco Cordero

How do you figure Hardy over Reyes?

In the field, Reyes has a better fielding percentage, fewer errors, more double plays and the same amount of assists as Hardy.

At the plate, Reyes has a better average and on base percentage, more steals, runs, singles, doubles and triples in roughly the same about at bats (Reyes has only 4 more at bats). Hardy leads only in RBIs and HRs.

[AppGuy04]

How do you figure Hardy over Reyes?

In the field, Reyes has a better fielding percentage, fewer errors, more double plays and the same amount of assists as Hardy.

At the plate, Reyes has a better average and on base percentage, more steals, runs, singles, doubles and triples in roughly the same about at bats (Reyes has only 4 more at bats). Hardy leads only in RBIs and HRs.

I think you reward the young man for his performance. The Brewers currently have the best record in the NL and JJ Hardy is a big reason for that. Reyes is expected to do what he has done, Hardy was not. As for stats, you can argue either way, but most baseball fans hope to see the long ball, not the hit and run. Personally, I prefer Reyes' game, but most fans don't

[PantherRob82]

the Cubs. :D

[Gil Dobie]

I'd still put Mauer in there, he's supposed to be back soon.

Ken Griffey Jr gets a spot now that he is healthy, and Justin Verlander would get my nod as AL Starter.

[PaladinFan]

as much as I dislike him, Barry Bonds needs to be in the outfield.

[AppGuy04]

as much as I dislike him, Barry Bonds needs to be in the outfield.

not as a starter

the 3 guys I have in the OF are having better all around years IMO. Part of that has to do with the number of BB that Barry gets

[Dukie95]

I think you reward the young man for his performance. The Brewers currently have the best record in the NL and JJ Hardy is a big reason for that. Reyes is expected to do what he has done, Hardy was not. As for stats, you can argue either way, but most baseball fans hope to see the long ball, not the hit and run. Personally, I prefer Reyes' game, but most fans don't

Not anymore...I assume you'll be changing your vote to Reyes now. ;)

[AppGuy04]

Not anymore...I assume you'll be changing your vote to Reyes now. ;)

not after JJ broke up Hamel's no hit bid with a 2 run jack last nightxthumbsupx

[bandl]

Make your MLB All-Star team- 8 position players, 1 SP, 1 RP, No DH as the game is in SF

American League
C- Victor Martinez(Mauer if he wasn't injured)
1B- Justin Morneau(Ortiz if he actually played the field)
2B- BJ Upton
SS- Derek Jeter(just about the only option sadly)
3B- Alex Rodriguez
OF- Magglio Ordonez
OF- Torii Hunter
OF- Vlad Guerrero
SP- Dan Haren(Beckett at 100%)
RP- Jonathan Papelbon


National League
C- Russell Martin
1B- Derrek Lee
2B- Chase Utley
SS- JJ Hardy(sorry Mets fans)
3B- Chipper Jones
OF- Carlos Lee
OF- Matt Holliday
OF- Adam Dunn
SP- Jake Peavy
RP- Francisco Cordero

Might need to reconsider A-Rod if doesn't get back to something that even remotely resembles his stats in April (up until the last few games)...he hasn't done ***** over the past 20 games. xtwocentsx

[AppGuy04]

Might need to reconsider A-Rod if doesn't get back to something that even remotely resembles his stats in April (up until the last few games)...he hasn't done ***** over the past 20 games. xtwocentsx

but still leads the world in HR and RBI, just goes to show how special that month was

[bandl]

but still leads the world in HR and RBI, just goes to show how special that month was

My point is that he won't for long...he's had something like 5 RBI's in the past 20 games? Kerry Wood has more RBI's than that. :D

[AppGuy04]

My point is that he won't for long...he's had something like 5 RBI's in the past 20 games? Kerry Wood has more RBI's than that. :D

maybe, who knows

if the switch can flip that easily, he could easily have a June like April

[AppGuy04]

According to Yahoo, JJ Hardy is the #1 fantasy player over the last month. Reyes is #3. Both have the same number of runs, about the same hits and average. Reyes obviously has alot more steals(17 to 0). Hardy has 12 HR and 35 RBI, Reyes has 1 HR and 12 RBI.

[tribe_pride]

According to Yahoo, JJ Hardy is the #1 fantasy player over the last month. Reyes is #3. Both have the same number of runs, about the same hits and average. Reyes obviously has alot more steals(17 to 0). Hardy has 12 HR and 35 RBI, Reyes has 1 HR and 12 RBI.

Let's look at this
OFFENSE
Average Reyes - .335-.325
On base percentage Reyes - .411 - .374
Hits - Reyes - 55-52
Walks Reyes 21-13
Runs Reyes - 34-27
Home Runs Hardy - 12-2
RBI Hardy - 37-23
Steals Reyes - 23-0
Doubles Reyes - 13-11
Triples Reyes 7-0

FIELDING
Fielding Percentage Reyes - .988 - .975
Errors Reyes - Reyes 2-4
Double Plays - Reyes 34-22
Putouts Reyes 170-157
Assists Tie 110-110

Number of runs is not tied and while average is somewhat close the on base percentage is not. Reyes can't get the RBIs because he is a leadoff batter but he creates his own runs by getting on base by hits and walks (leading to the much better OBP) and stealing to get in scoring position. His fielding is also better than Hardy. People may want to see the HR hitter and Hardy is playing well but Reyes is the better player so far this season.

[AppGuy04]

those stats are over the last month, yours are not

and double plays is not really a stat IMO, that has alot to do with the pitchers, not the fielders

[tribe_pride]

OK but I think an all star should be picked for a season to date and not just a 1 month period especially when the season is 1 1/2 months old. Argument may be able to made if he had to miss that part of the season, but that does not seem to be the case. I also think OBP is more important than Average.

That's also fine if you want to take away double plays and I can agree with you that you should credit pitcher for that. Stats still have Reyes as the better fielder.

[AppGuy04]

OK but I think an all star should be picked for a season to date and not just a 1 month period especially when the month is 1 1/2 months old. Argument may be able to made if he had to miss that part of the season, but that does not seem to be the case. I also think OBP is more important than Average.

That's also fine if you want to take away double plays and I can agree with you that you should credit pitcher for that. Stats still have Reyes as the better fielder.

we are talking a difference of 2 errors, you act like the kid has become ERod

[tribe_pride]

Reyes also has a much better zone rating which is supposedly "the percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive "zone," as measured by STATS, Inc" as described by ESPN. That means he is able to get to a lot more balls than Hardy. Decided not to include it before because I had never heard it used.

Look when you are comparing 2 players in bball you look at the stats. They show that Reyes has played better than Hardy this year. I already said that Hardy is a good player but Reyes has had a better year in most categories.

[AppGuy04]

Sorry dude, I'm not gonna use some computer ranking.

I've seen both play this year. Reyes is awesome, hell, he's on my fantasy team, but Hardy has been the man this year. He gets my nod, but both are very deserving.

[TheValleyRaider]

I'll admit to really only knowing the AL well

AL
C: Joe Mauer
1B: Travis Hafner
2B: Robinson Cano
SS: Derek Jeter
3B: Alex Rodriguez
LF: Magglio Ordonez
CF: Vernon Wells
RF: Vlad Guerrero
SP: Roy Halladay or Johan Santana (depending on the day :D)
CP: Jonathan Papelbon

NL
C: Russell Martin
1B: Albert Pujols
2B: Dan Uggla
SS: Jose Reyes
3B: Miguel Cabrera
LF: Barry Bonds
CF: Andruw Jones
RF: Carlos Beltran
SP: Ben Sheets
CP: Billy Wagner

[AppGuy04]

I'll admit to really only knowing the AL well

AL
C: Joe Mauer
1B: Travis Hafner
2B: Robinson Cano
SS: Derek Jeter
3B: Alex Rodriguez
LF: Magglio Ordonez
CF: Vernon Wells
RF: Vlad Guerrero
SP: Roy Halladay or Johan Santana (depending on the day :D)
CP: Jonathan Papelbon

NL
C: Russell Martin
1B: Albert Pujols
2B: Dan Uggla
SS: Jose Reyes
3B: Miguel Cabrera
LF: Barry Bonds
CF: Andruw Jones
RF: Carlos Beltran
SP: Ben Sheets
CP: Billy Wagner

Pujols might get the nod, but he definitely doesn't deserve it this year

[Dukie95]

While Reyes and Hardy play the same position on defense, they play completely different offensive positions - you're not comparing apples to apples when you look at their offensive stats alone. Reyes is the best lead-off hitter in baseball right now, and will win over Hardy. It's just unfortunate for Hardy that Reyes plays shortshop.

[AppGuy04]

While Reyes and Hardy play the same position on defense, they play completely different offensive positions - you're not comparing apples to apples when you look at their offensive stats alone. Reyes is the best lead-off hitter in baseball right now, and will win over Hardy. It's just unfortunate for Hardy that Reyes plays shortshop.
and it goes without saying, he plays in NY, which is a big factor considering the fans vote

[Dukie95]

and it goes without saying, he plays in NY, which is a big factor considering the fans vote

Probably more of a factor that Hardy plays in Milwaukee and doesn't get the nationwide exposure other teams get. I don't think history teaches us that Met fans alone have the weight to vote in undeserving candidates.

[AppGuy04]

Probably more of a factor that Hardy plays in Milwaukee and doesn't get the nationwide exposure other teams get. I don't think history teaches us that Met fans alone have the weight to vote in undeserving candidates.

but............................to the average person, their first response is "Who the hell is JJ Hardy?"

[SunCoastBlueHen]

I'll admit to really only knowing the AL well

NL
C: Russell Martin
1B: Albert Pujols
2B: Dan Uggla
SS: Jose Reyes
3B: Miguel Cabrera
LF: Barry Bonds
CF: Andruw Jones
RF: Carlos Beltran
SP: Ben Sheets
CP: Billy Wagner

I know you said you don't follow the NL closely, but these two are a bit off the mark. A. Jones is hitting .230 something and Uggla's stats are quite a bit below Utley's.

[TheValleyRaider]

I know you said you don't follow the NL closely, but these two are a bit off the mark. A. Jones is hitting .230 something and Uggla's stats are quite a bit below Utley's.

Fair enough, Jones was a definite reputation pick, and I did forget Utley. I tried to cover all of my bases quickly by using the All-Star ballot. Easy to get lost in names there xreadx

[AppGuy04]

Fair enough, Jones was a definite reputation pick, and I did forget Utley. I tried to cover all of my bases quickly by using the All-Star ballot. Easy to get lost in names there xreadx

yeah, some of the guys on there are reputation picks

[SunCoastBlueHen]

Fair enough, Jones was a definite reputation pick, and I did forget Utley. I tried to cover all of my bases quickly by using the All-Star ballot. Easy to get lost in names there xreadx

Well, I fully admit that you did better with the National League than I would have done with the American. xthumbsupx

[Dukie95]

but............................to the average person, their first response is "Who the hell is JJ Hardy?"


Yeah, that was my point. It's not so much that Met fans stuff the ballot for their guy...but no one outside of Wisconsin has heard of Hardy.

Same thing happened to Freddy Sanchez last year. There was all this outcry that he was up when the game was on the line, and that Nomar wasn't brought in to pinch hit. No one outside of Pittsburgh had heard of the guy, yet he was leading the league in hitting.

[Dukie95]

Interesting statistical analysis of NL Shortstops.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2872977

[PaladinFan]

It's interesting to see the shift in the leagues though. Every 5-7 years or so the power in the MLB shifts from one league to the other. Last year, the AL won the game again playing with stars that had been around a long time. The NL put guys on field a much younger team with names like Reyes, Mcaan, Wright, and Uggla. You'll soon see the power struggle shift back to the national league for a while.

Interesting way the game ebbs and flows.

[AppGuy04]

I think its a great thing when we no longer talk about the "Big 3" when discussing the best SS in the game. Granted ARod got moved and Nomar has been hurt alot, but Reyes and Hardy are easily 1 and 2, whichever order you wanna put them in