Nine Winningest FCS Teams In College a Football History

[Son of Eli]

Ivy League has 5 of the top 9 slots.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2019-10-27/9-winningest-fcs-teams-college-football-history?fbclid=IwAR1Qi803krvH3MwEuZ1yfs_WNcOakipDa AGIsDJ-AqFDDXn2Jw-a3iT-GUQ

And all of the 6 teams on this list who have played Yale have a losing record against them.

[ysubigred]

Ivy League has 5 of the top 9 slots.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2019-10-27/9-winningest-fcs-teams-college-football-history?fbclid=IwAR1Qi803krvH3MwEuZ1yfs_WNcOakipDa AGIsDJ-AqFDDXn2Jw-a3iT-GUQ

WOW this is one of the stupidest **** articles ever written.

NDSU and Delaware OK

The rest put in the MVFC or CAA would be under .500 xlmaox

[Son of Eli]

WOW this is one of the stupidest **** articles ever written.

NDSU and Delaware OK

The rest put in the MVFC or CAA would be under .500 xlmaox


Yale is 3-0 against the CAA since 2015. Penn beat Villanova on the road in 2015. Dartmouth beat Towson and New Hampshire in 2016

[CHIP72]

WOW this is one of the stupidest **** articles ever written.

NDSU and Delaware OK

The rest put in the MVFC or CAA would be under .500 xlmaox

You do realize football history extends back further than 10 years ago, right? LOL.


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[smilo]

Yes, this is what tends to happen when you've played 20 more season than anyone else and many seasons contained s crazy number of games.

If you look at winning percentage and exclude Kennesaw, it's still four of the top 10. However only two established schools are below Columbia (APSU and SFU). Easier when you have teams to beat up on like Columbia and Indiana Artillery and Morris County Athletic Club twice a year :)

I have fun tracking this too, but my conference pride doesn't carry over. It's more for the sake of in-conference rivalry or comparisons between similar conferences.

[ysubigred]

Yale is 3-0 against the CAA since 2015. Penn beat Villanova on the road in 2015. Dartmouth beat Towson and New Hampshire in 2016

See below:

You do realize football history extends back further than 10 years ago, right? LOL.

[Son of Eli]

See below:

You do realize football history extends back further than 10 years ago, right? LOL.


You do realize that I’m responding to your assertion that the Ivy teams on this list would be less than .500 if playing on the CAA, right? Lol.

BTW, the 2nd place Ivy team this year (Yale), beat the 2nd place CAA team (Richmond) on the road.And Delaware only beat 5th place Penn by a point at home.

[ysubigred]

You do realize that I’m responding to your assertion that the Ivy teams on this list would be less than .500 if playing on the CAA, right? Lol.

BTW, the 2nd place Ivy team this year (Yale), beat the 2nd place CAA team (Richmond) on the road.And Delaware only beat 5th place Penn by a point at home.

^^ In that case this is a great article and the Ivy's rule the football world. Sorry I didn't realize how dominate the Ivy league was xthumbsupx

[Son of Eli]

^^ In that case this is a great article and the Ivy's rule the football world. Sorry I didn't realize how dominate the Ivy league was xthumbsupx

Historically they are absolutely dominant. And they’re not that bad today either.

[ysubigred]

Historically they are absolutely dominant. And they’re not that bad today either.

Nothing against Ivy's it's just comparing apples to oranges like saying the 60 Bears would beat the 18 Patriots?


Watching the Ivy teams I will say it's the most fundamentally sound teams out there and they don't beat themselves with mistakes. Something my team should take note of xnonono2x

[wapiti]

When's the last time an Ivy team played a playoff game?????

If they were any good they would be in the playoffs.

[Redbird 4th & short]

History is always fun to look at as it provides some interesting information and perspective .. but when they site a program like Dartmouth who has 1 Natty in 138 years as 6th, right behind NDSU who has 7 Natty's in last 8 years alone. I don't even mind the article providing this histotical perspective in the way they did ... but to present it as a program ranking ... well, it might be more accurate to have titled it "Lifetime Achiement Awards".

For example, when they mention Lehigh at #8 with a .533 win % and Dayton at #9 because they've won a high % of games in 1990's and 2000's .. they started the 90's in D-III. In 1995, Dayton was 9-2, but was just 5-2 against FCS .... so there's that. So if they just joined FCS in mid 90's, and rarely make or win in playoffs, how did they make this top 9 winningest FCS programs list at all ??

Author is a UMass grad ... is it just me, or does this smell just a bit elitist ??

Wondering if GPA played a factor in these rankings ??

[ysubigred]

History is always fun to look at as it provides some interesting information and perspective .. but when they site a program like Dartmouth who has 1 Natty in 138 years as 6th, right behind NDSU who has 7 Natty's in last 8 years alone. I don't even mind the article providing this histotical perspective in the way they did ... but to present it as a program ranking ... well, it might be more accurate to have titled it "Top 9 most played games wirh records above .500".

For example, when they mention Lehigh at #8 with a .533 win % and Dayton at #9 because they've won a high % of games in 1990's and 2000's .. they started the 90's in D-III. In 1995, Dayton was 9-2, but was just 5-2 against FCS .... so there's that. So if they just joined FCS in mid 90's, and rarely make or win in playoffs, how did they make this top 9 winningest FCS programs list at all ??

Author is a UMass grad ... is it just me, or does this smell just a bit elitist ??

No,,, He's pissed about the beat down the Saluki's put on his team (1FBS UMASS) this year xthumbsupx

[AmsterBison]

When's the last time an Ivy team played a playoff game?????

If they were any good they would be in the playoffs.

Hahaha!

Most wins in the last 50 seasons:



Descr1
W
L
T


North Dakota State
465
128
4


Dayton
406
144
6


Delaware
400
195
3


Montana
392
206
2


Grambling State
388
182
5


Eastern Kentucky
387
188
4


Appalachian State
383
207
8


Northern Iowa
374
213
3


McNeese State
368
197
10


Central Arkansas
364
180
16





Descr1
W
L
T


Harvard
302
177
6


Yale
280
200
4


Pennsylvania
276
204
4


Dartmouth
249
227
9


Princeton
242
236
7


Brown
233
245
6


Cornell
206
274
5


Columbia
121
358
7



So Harvard has been winning 6 games per year for the last 50 seasons. NDSU has been winning 9.3 gpy. If you Ivy League teams don't get in the playoffs, NDSU is going to pass you all in 50 years. :)

[UNHWildcat18]

UNH 538–444–55 (.545) not bad IMO
First season 1893

[JacksFan40]

Boy I’d hope the teams who started shortly after the Civil War would have more wins than the rest.

[Redbird 4th & short]

UNH 538–444–55 (.545) not bad IMO
First season 1893
Better than their #8 Lehigh for sure.

[FU_Paladin08]

This list is irrelevant because it’s a top 9 list. Who’s ever heard of a top 9 list? You have Top 100, Top 10, and Top 5. Having a top 9 list just leaves the lingering question, “but what are you hiding by not including #10?”

[Go Green]

BTW, the 2nd place Ivy team this year (Yale).

Yale could end up in second by the end of the year. But at present, there are two teams ahead of them in the Ivy standings.

[Herder]

Yes, the Ivy League has a great history. But most of it is just that, history, of their own choosing. The Ivies are pretty selective in playing games outside their bubble. They could choose to play good schedules, compete. They really don't.

If a team like (FBS) UCF never or almost never played games vs. the P5 conferences, then declined bowl games vs P5 teams but wanted to be in the discussion and ranked high with a 12-0 record, that would be akin to the Ivy League at the FCS level. When is the last time an Ivy played someone in today's FCS top 10?

Don't get me wrong, the Ivy League has good talent. Would love to see a top Ivy play a top 5 team at a neutral site. Yale v. NDSU Target Field 2024, anyone?

[Reign of Terrier]

Didn't read the article.

But I will say, I think the Ivy's just need to be their own thing. Same with HBCUs. They aren't here for the FCS playoffs.

[Lorne_Malvo]

Didnt Colgate beat Yale by 40 the same year that Colgate lost to Lehigh, Richmond and Fordham?
2016?

[Bisonoline]

I find the history of the game interesting. But this thing is about PAST history from a very long time ago. The IVY has been irrelevant for quite sometime.

[Go Green]

When is the last time an Ivy played someone in today's FCS top 10?



Dartmouth is playing one this coming Saturday. And is a field goal favorite.

[Go Green]

Didnt Colgate beat Yale by 40 the same year that Colgate lost to Lehigh, Richmond and Fordham?
2016?

Colgate also lost to Cornell that year.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

I find the history of the game interesting. But this thing is about PAST history from a very long time ago. The IVY has been irrelevant for quite sometime.


This here.

History is great and the Ivies were playing football before many states were even states.

I've watched a few Ivy games this year (great having FoxSports ) and NDSU would curb stomp every team in the Ivy including Princeton and Dartmouth.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Better than their #8 Lehigh for sure.

Lehigh has won a national title and played for another. How many chips does UNH have? Lehigh has been really good the last 50 years.

[NY Crusader 2010]

Lehigh has won a national title and played for another. How many chips does UNH have? Lehigh has been really good the last 50 years.

I was actually really surprised to see how badly you guys are losing the all-time series against Lafayette. Hopefully Tom Gilmore puts a dent in that deficit.

[yorkcountyUNHfan]

Lehigh has won a national title and played for another. How many chips does UNH have? Lehigh has been really good the last 50 years.

Not sure why you're lashing out at UNH...

[NY Crusader 2010]

Yes, the Ivy League has a great history. But most of it is just that, history, of their own choosing. The Ivies are pretty selective in playing games outside their bubble. They could choose to play good schedules, compete. They really don't.

If a team like (FBS) UCF never or almost never played games vs. the P5 conferences, then declined bowl games vs P5 teams but wanted to be in the discussion and ranked high with a 12-0 record, that would be akin to the Ivy League at the FCS level. When is the last time an Ivy played someone in today's FCS top 10?

Don't get me wrong, the Ivy League has good talent. Would love to see a top Ivy play a top 5 team at a neutral site. Yale v. NDSU Target Field 2024, anyone?

Excluding the on-again, Penn-Villanova rivalry, pretty much every time the Ivy League has scheduled a legit Top 15 FCS team, it's either been

a) New England CAA/A-10/Yankee team -- UNH/Dartmouth most years, Yale-Maine last year and Harvard-Northeastern a while back come to mind.
b) Patriot League team was having a very good year

Princeton-Delaware should ink a series replacing UD-DSU (which replaced UD-West Chester). Or heaven forbid the Tigers schedule in-state Monmouth. Even that would be a step up. Basically Lehigh has been their "marquee" non-conference game for some time.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

I was actually really surprised to see how badly you guys are losing the all-time series against Lafayette. Hopefully Tom Gilmore puts a dent in that deficit.

The series is Lafayette 78-71-5. Hardly domination. Rather over 150 contests about as even as it gets.....

Lafayette dominated the series in the 20s, 30s and 40s. Lehigh has flipped the script since the early 70s. Lehigh is 23-14 against the 'Pards in my lifetime...

[NY Crusader 2010]

The series is Lafayette 78-71-5. Hardly domination. Rather over 150 contests about as even as it gets.....

Lafayette dominated the series in the 20s, 30s and 40s. Lehigh has flipped the script the last 40. Lehigh is 23-14 against the 'Pards in my lifetime...

Let me re-phrase. Was surprised to see you were guys were losing the series at all.

Sort of like Holy Cross still being ahead of BC all-time in Men's Basketball. I think it's at 58-55 or something like that now...

[Sader87]

HC has 626...unlike some here, nearly all at the University/1-A/FCS level...

[DFW HOYA]

Nothing against Ivy's it's just comparing apples to oranges like saying the 60 Bears would beat the 18 Patriots?


I'll go with the Patriots. The Bears were under .500 that season.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/1960.htm

[Redbird 4th & short]

This list is irrelevant because it’s a top 9 list. Who’s ever heard of a top 9 list? You have Top 100, Top 10, and Top 5. Having a top 9 list just leaves the lingering question, “but what are you hiding by not including #10?”


agree that was odd too ... but they should have stopped after #7 and the list would have looked less stupid as Lifetime Achieement Awards go. But the #8 Lehigh (.533 win % ???) and #9 Dayton (FCS for just 25 years and not sure they ever made playoffs) cases were just plan bad. I mean why mention what Dayton did in D-III 25 years ago, but not mention what NDSU did in D-II 15-30 years ago.

But the top 7 actually weren't bad picks from a historical and longevity standpoint. So why go to 9 ????

[Redbird 4th & short]

This probably deserves it's own thread, but ISUr plays in Hancock Stadium. The stadium is named after former ISU Head Coach and AD Howard Hancock. Hancock set a record while at ISUr

"Howard Joseph Hancock (December 20, 1894 – February 12, 1978)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Hancock#cite_note-2) was an American football (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football) and baseball (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball) coach. He was the 12th head football coach at Illinois State University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_State_University) in Normal, Illinois (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal,_Illinois), serving for 14 seasons, from 1931 until 1944, and compiling a record of 57–45–19.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Hancock#cite_note-3)Including his records from other schools, Hancock leads college football with the highest tie percentage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_football_coaches_with_20_ties) in varsity play"

So ISUr football Coach Hancock is the Tie-ingest Football Program in College Football History !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And here is my source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_football_coaches_with_20_ties

So for those who wonder why were so fired up when we go 6-5-0 ... it sure beats a bunch of ties.



College football coaches with 20 (or more) career ties[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_college_football_coaches_w ith_20_ties&action=edit&section=5)]

Head coach
First year
Last year
Total years
Games coached
Wins
Losses
Ties
Win %[A 1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_football_coaches_with_20_ties#cite _note-5)
Tie %[A 2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_football_coaches_with_20_ties#cite _note-6)


Howard Hancock (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Hancock)
1921
1944
22
180
91
63
26
.578
.144


Butch Cowell (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butch_Cowell)
1915
1936
21
180
87
69
24
.550
.133


Ray Morrison (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Morrison)
1915
1948
28
263
129
101
33
.553
.125


William McAndrew (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_McAndrew)
1913
1938
22
182
82
80
20
.505
.110


Robert E. Vaughan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Vaughan)
1919
1945
27
224
115
85
24
.567
.107


Charlie Bachman (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Bachman)
1919
1946
27
234
132
80
22
.611
.094


George Evans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Evans_(coach))
1913
1954
27
228
136
72
20
.640
.088


Cleveland L. Abbott (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_L._Abbott)
1923
1954
32
326
202
97
27
.661
.083


Frank Dobson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Dobson_(American_football))
1910
1939
28
242
110
112
20
.496
.083


Dana X. Bible (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_X._Bible)
1916
1946
30
272
186
65
21
.722
.077


Howard Jones (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Jones_(American_football_coach))
1908
1940
29
279
194
64
21
.733
.075


Glenn Scobey Warner (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Scobey_Warner)
1895
1938
44
456
318
106
32
.732
.070


Amos Alonzo Stagg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amos_Alonzo_Stagg)
1892
1946
55
555
330
190
35
.626
.063

[Baron Sardonicus]

agree that was odd too ... but they should have stopped after #7 and the list would have looked less stupid as Lifetime Achieement Awards go. But the #8 Lehigh (.533 win % ???) and #9 Dayton (FCS for just 25 years and not sure they ever made playoffs) cases were just plan bad. I mean why mention what Dayton did in D-III 25 years ago, but not mention what NDSU did in D-II 15-30 years ago.

But the top 7 actually weren't bad picks from a historical and longevity standpoint. So why go to 9 ????

Picking nine schools was apparently a device to get your attention. It worked.

You probably didn't stop to consider that Dayton was playing major college football before its D-III days. The Flyers were playing Houston in a bowl game back when Illinois State Normal University was in the Interstate Conference. It's historical information for entertainment purposes. If you're not entertained, move on.

[Redbird 4th & short]

I'll go with the Patriots. The Bears were under .500 that season.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/1960.htm

Da Bears !!! But woudda been close game ... like 55 to tree .. yah!

[Redbird 4th & short]

Picking nine schools was apparently a device to get your attention. It worked.

You probably didn't stop to consider that Dayton was playing major college football before its D-III days. The Flyers were playing Houston in a bowl game back when Illinois State Normal University was in the Interstate Conference. It's historical information for entertainment purposes. If you're not entertained, move on.

Oh so the article and list is only for people who agree with it ??

As for Daytons resume .. they only referenced their record as D-III and PFL team ....so theres that.

[ysubigred]

I'll go with the Patriots. The Bears were under .500 that season.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/1960.htm

Yup just pulled 60 from mid air. Couldn't remember what Bear team everybody likes to gauge others by xsalutex

[Sader87]

Yup just pulled 60 from mid air. Couldn't remember what Bear team everybody likes to gauge others by xsalutex

From the relatively recent era, 1985....as my Patriots can attest.

[veinup]

wish these ivies would decide to participate in the playoffs.

[Grizalltheway]

AFAIK, Montana still has the most wins in D-1 since 2000. Unfortunately only one title to show for it.

[Son of Eli]

Princeton-Delaware should ink a series replacing UD-DSU (which replaced UD-West Chester). Or heaven forbid the Tigers schedule in-state Monmouth. Even that would be a step up.

Princeton did play Monmouth just last year. Princeton won 51-9. They were scheduled to play again next year but Princeton dropped them and replaced them with Army.

[uni88]

Who are the winningest teams in FCS history (i.e. teams with the most wins while they were playing football at the I-AA/FCS level)?

[Redbird 4th & short]

From the relatively recent era, 1985....as my Patriots can attest.

Da Bears again ... 112 to 2 .. and the 2 is only from when we take a knee from our own 1 yard line at end of game.


https://i1.wp.com/www.rep-am.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/da-bears.jpg?fit=1280%2C720&ssl=1
(https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwi0stCZoNTlAhXSA2MBHTHxAZkQjRx6BAgBEAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rep-am.com%2Fsports%2Fpro%2Fnfl%2F2019%2F09%2F05%2Fda-story-behind-da-bears%2F&psig=AOvVaw2jdpzgKrmIDVT8Iy9y6vE7&ust=1573083848879448)

[KPSUL]

Yale is 3-0 against the CAA since 2015. Penn beat Villanova on the road in 2015. Dartmouth beat Towson and New Hampshire in 2016

A bit of cherry pick'n going on here. UNH is 1-1 vs Dartmouth over the past 5 years, 3-1 over the past 10, and 11-1 over the past 20. All but two of the UNH wins were by 20 points or more, So I'm having trouble feeling dominated by Dartmouth due to a I point loss in 2016.

[TennBison]

This is one of those top 9 (why not top 10) bull crap articles that have no purpose in today's college football world. Who cares what any team was doing 100+ years ago outside of the fact that they have had football at that school for over 100 years. Which is what it took for most of the Ivy league to get to that many wins. Even 50 years ago is quite a stretch on the "who gives a damn" meter. For example, does anyone really give a crap that at one time Army was a dominate team and was owning the college football world with national championships and Heisman Trophy winners.........nope. Now look at where they are and what they can do, almost nothing, they are not even relevant any more Only 93 year old guys who like to tell stories to little kids about walking uphill both ways through 15 feet of snow in 20 below temps and 100+ mph winds to school care about those good old days. No one who is alive today has anything to do with football from 50-100+ years ago anywhere. The better article would be about what team has been the most dominate from the last 50 years at the most. Want another example, the Romans ran/owned over 1/2 of the known world at one time, where are they now. Condense the timeline and relate it to a time frame that most people can at least associate with in their lifetime.

[TennBison]

wish these ivies would decide to participate in the playoffs.
They won't do it because of school, making the claim that football post season will interfere with exams. Even though every other sport they play in does not follow that same set of in house rules when it comes to playing sports during midterm and finals. So I always wonder why the double standard and maybe they should start not playing any sports at all during those times of the year. Odd that so many other student athletes are able to pull it off, but not the ones at the Ivy level.

[Redbird 4th & short]

This is one of those top 9 (why not top 10) bull crap articles that have no purpose in today's college football world. Who cares what any team was doing 100+ years ago outside of the fact that they have had football at that school for over 100 years. Which is what it took for most of the Ivy league to get to that many wins. Even 50 years ago is quite a stretch on the "who gives a damn" meter. For example, does anyone really give a crap that at one time Army was a dominate team and was owning the college football world with national championships and Heisman Trophy winners.........nope. Now look at where they are and what they can do, almost nothing, they are not even relevant any more Only 93 year old guys who like to tell stories to little kids about walking uphill both ways through 15 feet of snow in 20 below temps and 100+ mph winds to school care about those good old days. No one who is alive today has anything to do with football from 50-100+ years ago anywhere. The better article would be about what team has been the most dominate from the last 50 years at the most. Want another example, the Romans ran/owned over 1/2 of the known world at one time, where are they now. Condense the timeline and relate it to a time frame that most people can at least associate with in their lifetime.
stop your complaining, at least you edged out Delaware who has 1 title in 138 years !!! And Lehigh and Dayton.

xdrunkyx

So thinking they didn't just use GPA, they probably also had to factor in team SAT/ACT scores to come up with this list.

[TennBison]

stop your complaining, at least you edged out Delaware who has 1 title in 138 years !!! And Lehigh and Dayton.

xdrunkyx

So thinking they didn't just use GPA, they probably also had to factor in team SAT/ACT scores to come up with this list.
???????? Dayton has a football team and a college??????

[NY Crusader 2010]

Princeton did play Monmouth just last year. Princeton won 51-9. They were scheduled to play again next year but Princeton dropped them and replaced them with Army.

So ace's assertion that Princeton has 0 wins outside of the Patriot and PFL since 1981 was incorrect. They're on the board with a Big South scalp.

[NY Crusader 2010]

A bit of cherry pick'n going on here. UNH is 1-1 vs Dartmouth over the past 5 years, 3-1 over the past 10, and 11-1 over the past 20. All but two of the UNH wins were by 20 points or more, So I'm having trouble feeling dominated by Dartmouth due to a I point loss in 2016.

If I'm not mistaken, you have to go back to the late 1970's to find Dartmoth's last win against UNH prior to 2016. UNH and the YankCon may have still been DII.

[cx500d]

A bit of cherry pick'n going on here. UNH is 1-1 vs Dartmouth over the past 5 years, 3-1 over the past 10, and 11-1 over the past 20. All but two of the UNH wins were by 20 points or more, So I'm having trouble feeling dominated by Dartmouth due to a I point loss in 2016.

Embarrassed maybe, but not dominated


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[Son of Eli]

A bit of cherry pick'n going on here. UNH is 1-1 vs Dartmouth over the past 5 years, 3-1 over the past 10, and 11-1 over the past 20. All but two of the UNH wins were by 20 points or more, So I'm having trouble feeling dominated by Dartmouth due to a I point loss in 2016.

Over the last 5 seasons the Ivy League has played the CAA 17 times. The Ivy League is 10-7 in those games.

[taper]

Over the last 5 seasons the Ivy League has played the CAA 17 times. The Ivy League is 10-7 in those games.

What was the strength of schedule of those 10 teams you beat? Where do you think the best Ivy team would finish in the CAA if they played a full conference schedule? Do you think any Ivy team could win a quarterfinal game if they were in the playoffs this year?

[Son of Eli]

What was the strength of schedule of those 10 teams you beat? Where do you think the best Ivy team would finish in the CAA if they played a full conference schedule? Do you think any Ivy team could win a quarterfinal game if they were in the playoffs this year?


Last year Yale (3-4 in the Ivy) beat Maine, the CAA champions, 35-14. Maine ended up in the semifinals. I think that answers your questions.

[taper]

Last year Yale (3-4 in the Ivy) beat Maine, the CAA champions, 35-14. Maine ended up in the semifinals. I think that answers your questions.

No, no it doesn't. Upsets happen, I'm not interested in single cherry picked games. South Dakota and Indiana St beat NDSU in years we won the natty, nobody should have ranked them. Where's the consistent wins against top teams?

[Lion1983]

None of this matters, the numbers are not all FCS numbers, especially NDSUs, and that's not hating on NDSU, but most of those numbers are D2 numbers. And I dont count anything the Ivy League does until that dumb a$$ rule about not playing in the playoffs because it interferes with tests is bs. I thought the students of Ivy League schools were supposed to be the smartest people on earth? Then the playoff should not have any bearing on if they pass or not, and if they cant, they should not be at said school in the first place.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

No, no it doesn't. Upsets happen, I'm not interested in single cherry picked games. South Dakota and Indiana St beat NDSU in years we won the natty, nobody should have ranked them. Where's the consistent wins against top teams?

Outside of NDSU no one has consistent wins against Top 25 teams. Generally if you post a .300-.400 winning percentage against ranked teams you're doing quite well.

[Son of Eli]

No, no it doesn't. Upsets happen, I'm not interested in single cherry picked games. South Dakota and Indiana St beat NDSU in years we won the natty, nobody should have ranked them. Where's the consistent wins against top teams?

The Ivy League’s 10 wins were against a wide spectrum of the CAA, including Villanova, New Hampshire, Maine, Towson, Rhode Island and Richmond. Maine was ranked #16 in the country when a Yale beat them by 21 points. Villanova was ranked 5th in the country when Penn beat them on the road. New Hampshire was ranked #22 when Dartmouth beat them.

[caribbeanhen]

stop your complaining, at least you edged out Delaware who has 1 title in 138 years !!! And Lehigh and Dayton.

xdrunkyx

So thinking they didn't just use GPA, they probably also had to factor in team SAT/ACT scores to come up with this list.

you say your sorry... that is wrong

[caribbeanhen]

What was the strength of schedule of those 10 teams you beat? Where do you think the best Ivy team would finish in the CAA if they played a full conference schedule? Do you think any Ivy team could win a quarterfinal game if they were in the playoffs this year?

Dartmouth and Princeton they would be favored against all but a few handfuls of FCS teams....

they are better than the entire CAA minus JMU

Get them in playoffs somehow please

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

What was the strength of schedule of those 10 teams you beat? Where do you think the best Ivy team would finish in the CAA if they played a full conference schedule? Do you think any Ivy team could win a quarterfinal game if they were in the playoffs this year?


No.

[Go Green]

No.

If we're matched up (as we probably would be) against NDSU, that's tough.

If we were matched up with say, Weber State, Montana, or Northern Iowa it most certainly falls in the realm of "could win a quarterfinal game."

[NY Crusader 2010]

If Maine could make the semis last year, it's not outside the realm of possibility that Princeton could have done the same with the right match-up (as in not the Fargdome). Same goes for either Princeton or the Green this year.

Anyway, is anyone else getting sick of Ivy League hypotheticals? The're not ending the post-season ban anytime soon...

[caribbeanhen]

If Maine could make the semis last year, it's not outside the realm of possibility that Princeton could have done the same with the right match-up (as in not the Fargdome). Same goes for either Princeton or the Green this year.

Anyway, is anyone else getting sick of Ivy League hypotheticals? The're not ending the post-season ban anytime soon...

maybe under some pressure of their own success they might start considering it..... tell me why they wont

[JacksFan40]

If we're matched up (as we probably would be) against NDSU, that's tough.

If we were matched up with say, Weber State, Montana, or Northern Iowa it most certainly falls in the realm of "could win a quarterfinal game."
Maybe Montana and UNI but you ain’t beating Weber. You could do well against the FCS outside of the Top 4.

[Redbird 4th & short]

you say your sorry... that is wrong
well 7 > 1 ... right ?? I even softened the blow by saying "edged".

What are you inferring ???

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[Grizalltheway]

Maybe Montana and UNI but you ain’t beating Weber. You could do well against the FCS outside of the Top 4.

If Idaho could give them a run for their money I don't see why Dartmouth couldn't. Weber is a good team, but they aren't NDSU.

[uni88]

well 7 > 1 ... right ?? I even softened the blow by saying "edged".

What are you inferring ???



I believe Delaware has 2 national titles - 1979 & 2003

[caribbeanhen]

I believe Delaware has 2 national titles - 1979 & 2003

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The Fightin' Blue Hens have won six national titles in their 117-year history – 1946 (AP College Division), 1963 (UPI College Division), 1971 (AP/UPI College Division), 1972 (AP/UPI College Division), 1979 (Division II), and 2003 (Division I-AA)

[uni88]

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The Fightin' Blue Hens have won six national titles in their 117-year history – 1946 (AP College Division), 1963 (UPI College Division), 1971 (AP/UPI College Division), 1972 (AP/UPI College Division), 1979 (Division II), and 2003 (Division I-AA)They won 2 on the field and 4 like winning a beauty pageant, in a poll. [emoji14]

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[cx500d]

They won 2 on the field and 4 like winning a beauty pageant, in a poll. [emoji14]

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Well, some of the beauty pageant ones required winning a game on the field too.

[uni88]

Well, some of the beauty pageant ones required winning a game on the field too.Some not all. And the game was one of four regional bowls and the other three winners didn't get a chance. Sometimes they picked a contestant that didn't even play in a regional bowl game.

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[cx500d]

Some not all. And the game was one of four regional bowls and the other three winners didn't get a chance. Sometimes they picked a contestant that didn't even play in a regional bowl game.

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I thought for the college division the pageant winner was always one of the regional winners

[caribbeanhen]

They won 2 on the field and 4 like winning a beauty pageant, in a poll. [emoji14]

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Yes, they played in 5 Boardwalk bowls in the Atlantic City Convention Center or the same place as Miss USA pageant....

actually after they were voted Champs back to back in 71 and 72 and the McNeese State Coach complained hard of East Coast Bias in the voting ...... Tubby Raymond was quoted as saying ... Get McNeese on the schedule and that game happened in 74, Delaware won the game in a big comeback

[uni88]

Yes, they played in 5 Boardwalk bowls in the Atlantic City Convention Center or the same place as Miss USA pageant....

actually after they were voted Champs back to back in 71 and 72 and the McNeese State Coach complained hard of East Coast Bias in the voting ...... Tubby Raymond was quoted as saying ... Get McNeese on the schedule and that game happened in 74, Delaware won the game in a big comeback

How did they do in the 1972 Boardwalk Bowl?

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[caribbeanhen]

How did they do in the 1972 Boardwalk Bowl?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boardwalk_Bowl

4-1

lost to Grambling in 73 and that game was also a Div 2 playoff game

[uni88]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boardwalk_Bowl

4-1

lost to Grambling in 73 and that game was also a Div 2 playoff game

How did they win the pageant in 72 without playing in a "playoff" game? Why did UMass play and not UD?

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[UNHWildcat18]

Lehigh has won a national title and played for another. How many chips does UNH have? Lehigh has been really good the last 50 years.

You won a division 2 championship just to clarify

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Lehigh has won a national title and played for another. How many chips does UNH have? Lehigh has been really good the last 50 years.

You won a division 2 championship just to clarify. xcoffeex

[caribbeanhen]

How did they win the pageant in 72 without playing in a "playoff" game? Why did UMass play and not UD?

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good question

Not sure why 10-0 Delaware did not play in the 72 Boardwalk Bowl but the playoffs didn't start until 1973 so no playoffs in 1972

[Redbird 4th & short]

I believe Delaware has 2 national titles - 1979 & 2003
i think the article said they had one .. is there an asterisk on 1 of the 2 you mentioned ?

[Henny]

C’mon man! Delaware has six national championships! What are you going to do? Remove the ones from the records because there was no playoff ?!?

[uni88]

C’mon man! Delaware has six national championships! What are you going to do? Remove the ones from the records because there was no playoff ?!?Remove them? No. Put an asterisk next to them? Yes.

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[AmsterBison]

Who are the winningest teams in FCS history (i.e. teams with the most wins while they were playing football at the I-AA/FCS level)?

Can't be 100% sure but three teams seem to be the winningest while at the DI-AA level, all joining in 1978:

Montana 352-164-2
Eastern Kentucky 332-160-2
UNI 331-174-2

Delaware, McNeese, and Furman are close but they didn't join DI-AA until the early 1980's (I think)

Dayton, btw, has 367 wins since 1978 but they didn't join the FCS until 1993 (?)

[Reign of Terrier]

I like to look at FCS history as different eras. The first 10 years (1978-1988ish) was where the first movers came about. There's a reason why a bunch of teams in the 80s won championships, with very few repeating (and many of them being playoff afterthoughts since. Heck, Georgia Southern was a startup program and won the national title in their third year of existence. It was the wild west, and things started becoming normal in the late 80s with Georgia Southern becoming the first real powerhouse, winning 4 titles between 1985 and 1991.

Then, in the 90s, more elite programs (Marshall, Youngstown State, Montana) rose up and we had some consistency, while the early adopters (Eastern Kentucky, Eastern Illinois, sort of faded into afterthoughts)

Then, in the late 90s to late 2000s, *that* in my opinion was the golden age of FCS football simply because there was so many teams who could win it all. Many of them didn't repeat, but it wasn't because the field was relatively empty (like in the late 70s/early 80s) but because there were lots of good programs committed to this level. From 1998-2010 you had 8 different teams win a national title. And sure, there was the App State 3-peat (2005-2007) and Georgia Southern repeat (1999-2000), but you had 4 different conferences winning the title in that time.

But App State winning the 3-peat signaled things to come. In the early 2010s you saw Montana regress, App State and Georgia Southern move up to FBS, the Big Sky and CAA consolidate into megaconferences, and the Dakotas rise up, not to mention the juggernaut in Fargo. Now, we're in a situation where the Southeast is fractured with lots of second tier good programs (Wofford, JSU, Kennesaw) and one elite program (JMU) but none of these teams play in the same conference, so there's not as much "iron sharpens iron" dynamic as there was in the 90s and 2000s with App State/Georgia Southern. The CAA is somewhat watered down because less-elite programs have been integrated into the conference and they don't play everyone; again, no iron sharpens iron dynamic.

Out west, the Big Sky has a similar program. There are some elite programs (EWU and I guess Weber) and good programs with potential (Montana), but the second tier also doesn't have the iron-sharpening dynamic because of the dilution of their conference schedule.

The Missouri Valley and the rise of the OVC are the bright lights. The OVC used to royally suck, but Jacksonville state upping their game (and AP/SEMO chasing them) has improved the conference. The Missouri Valley was able to weather the attrition of the subdivision. In some ways they have improved as a conference and in some ways they're just better because the rest of the subdivision tanked.

So, when I look at FCS programs and "which ones are the best," I think total wins is a little misleading. The FCS has constantly evolved with various teams added and substracted. Many of the teams that were elite 30 years ago aren't elite today, if they're even at the FCS level.

The good news is that I think we're on the verge of getting better, especially in the "next 4" conferences (Big South, OVC, Southern, Southland).

[Henny]

Remove them? No. Put an asterisk next to them? Yes.

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Good luck telling Alabama, Michigan and Nebraska to put an asterick on all of their non playoff championship banners.....xeyebrowx

[uni88]

Good luck telling Alabama, Michigan and Nebraska to put an asterick on all of their non playoff championship banners.....xeyebrowx

Who said anything about Alabama, Michigan and Nebraska? I'm only picking on Delawhere here! xslapfightx:p

[Sader87]

How did they do in the 1972 Boardwalk Bowl?

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Good question, my guess is that the Boardwalk Bowl might have been looking to spread the wealth around so to speak by inviting a 9-2 UMass.

One of those rare years when UMass beat BC but lost to Holy Cross :)

[uni88]

Good question, my guess is that the Boardwalk Bowl might have been looking to spread the wealth around so to speak by inviting a 9-2 UMass.

One of those rare years when UMass beat BC but lost to Holy Cross :)

Why was UMass playing UCDavis in the Boardwalk Bowl? Wasn't it a regional bowl? Why not play Delaware?

[uni88]

i think the article said they had one .. is there an asterisk on 1 of the 2 you mentioned ?

I think they have One I-AA/FCS championship (that Keeler won with Tubby's players :p ), One Division 2 championship and Four College Division (beauty pageant :p) championships.

[PAllen]

All time victory lists have little bearing unless you're trying to discern who's been playing the longest. A list starting in the FCS era (1977ish) and compiling through today would be much more valuable. Also, win percentage is a big deal. Lehigh was pretty good around each of the last two turn of the centuries, but they were pretty terrible for large stretches in between.

[Sader87]

Why was UMass playing UCDavis in the Boardwalk Bowl? Wasn't it a regional bowl? Why not play Delaware?

Different era (obviously).....not sure of the "regional bowl" implications then etc....I know some smaler schools/programs then went to bowls like the Tangerine or Pasadena....BU (Boston University) went to the Pasadena Bowl in 1969 I believe

[uni88]

All time victory lists have little bearing unless you're trying to discern who's been playing the longest. A list starting in the FCS era (1977ish) and compiling through today would be much more valuable. Also, win percentage is a big deal. Lehigh was pretty good around each of the last two turn of the centuries, but they were pretty terrible for large stretches in between.

AmsterBison did the preliminary research ...


Can't be 100% sure but three teams seem to be the winningest while at the DI-AA level, all joining in 1978:

Montana 352-164-2
Eastern Kentucky 332-160-2
UNI 331-174-2

Delaware, McNeese, and Furman are close but they didn't join DI-AA until the early 1980's (I think)

Dayton, btw, has 367 wins since 1978 but they didn't join the FCS until 1993 (?)

I would be curious how Georgia Southern and App State's records look from the time they joined I-AA/FCS until the time they left.

[MR. CHICKEN]

Good question, my guess is that the Boardwalk Bowl might have been looking to spread the wealth around so to speak by inviting a 9-2 UMass.

One of those rare years when UMass beat BC but lost to Holy Cross :)

........NOT SO AMIGO........DELAWARE 10-0.....TUBBY'S PLAYERS VOTED TO TURN DOWN THE CHANCE TO PLAY IN '72 BOARDWALK BOWL.......BECAUSE THE NCAA WANTED TO PAIR THE HENS WHIFF...UCONN......WHOM DELAWARE.......HAD ALREADY BEATEN DURING REGULAR SEASON.......32-7........HENS WERE NAMED NATIONAL CHAMPIONS AN' THOUGHT......NO NEED TO PLAY FOR EASTERN CHAMPIONSHIP....TUBBY HONORED DUH TEAMS VOTE....SO UMA$$ WAS PAIRED WHIFF UC DAVIS...............BRAWK!

[uni88]

Different era (obviously).....not sure of the "regional bowl" implications then etc....I know some smaller schools/programs then went to bowls like the Tangerine or Pasadena....BU (Boston University) went to the Pasadena Bowl in 1969 I believe

Did the Boardwalk replace the Tangerine?

It was a goofy time and I'm not sure all of the national champions were as clear cut as they are now.

[uni88]

........NOT SO AMIGO........DELAWARE 10-0.....TUBBY'S PLAYERS VOTED TO TURN DOWN THE CHANCE TO PLAY IN '72 BOARDWALK BOWL.......BECAUSE THE NCAA WANTED TO PAIR THE HENS WHIFF...UCONN......WHOM DELAWARE.......HAD ALREADY BEATEN DURING REGULAR SEASON.......32-7........HENS WERE NAMED NATIONAL CHAMPIONS AN' THOUGHT......NO NEED TO PLAY FOR EASTERN CHAMPIONSHIP....TUBBY HONORED DUH TEAMS VOTE....SO UMA$$ WAS PAIRED WHIFF UC DAVIS...............BRAWK!

Why would they have invited a 4-5 UConn team rather than an 8-2 UMass team that beat UConn 49-16. Goofy times.

[MR. CHICKEN]

Boardwalk_Bowl (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boardwalk_Bowl)................BRAWK!

[MR. CHICKEN]

Why would they have invited a 4-5 UConn team rather than an 8-2 UMass team that beat UConn 49-16. Goofy times.

...AH GOT DIS INFO...FROM ONE UH MAH YOU-DEE MEADIA GUIDES......DAT'S WHAT IT SAYS......UNDER...DELAWARE'S RICH POST SEASON TRADITION.........BRAWK!

[PAllen]

AmsterBison did the preliminary research ...



I would be curious how Georgia Southern and App State's records look from the time they joined I-AA/FCS until the time they left.

That makes Lehigh's 293 wins not so bad considering the abyss that was the early PL years (and how bad we've been recently).

[uni88]

I would be curious how Georgia Southern and App State's records look from the time they joined I-AA/FCS until the time they left.

It looks like:

Georgia Southern was 294-115-1 from 1982 to 2013.

App State was 286-149-4 from 1978 to 2013.

[taper]

Outside of NDSU no one has consistent wins against Top 25 teams. Generally if you post a .300-.400 winning percentage against ranked teams you're doing quite well.

This is patently false. Sup does an excellent job putting together a How They Fared spreadsheet each week, I encourage you to open it AND scroll past the first page. He has the record against the AGS top 25. So far this year:
NDSU 5-0
JMU 4-0
SDSU 1-1
Weber 3-0
Sac St 3-1
Montana 1-1
UNI 2-2
CArk 1-1
Nova 3-2
Stony Brook 1-1
Montana St 1-1
SEMO 2-2
NCAT 1-0
North Dakota 2-2
FL A&M 1-0
Austin Peay 2-0
Albany 1-0
SHSU 1-1
Nicholls 1-0
Citadel 1-1
UNH 1-0
JSU 1-0
SELA 1-0

The entire Ivy receiving votes: 0-3

Other years are similar.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

This is patently false. Sup does an excellent job putting together a How They Fared spreadsheet each week, I encourage you to open it AND scroll past the first page. He has the record against the AGS top 25. So far this year:
NDSU 5-0
JMU 4-0
SDSU 1-1
Weber 3-0
Sac St 3-1
Montana 1-1
UNI 2-2
CArk 1-1
Nova 3-2
Stony Brook 1-1
Montana St 1-1
SEMO 2-2
NCAT 1-0
North Dakota 2-2
FL A&M 1-0
Austin Peay 2-0
Albany 1-0
SHSU 1-1
Nicholls 1-0
Citadel 1-1
UNH 1-0
JSU 1-0
SELA 1-0

The entire Ivy receiving votes: 0-3

Other years are similar.

I'm talking over an extended period of time! There was a thread earlier in season regarding team's records against playoff teams.

This is what I'm referencing. This is an elevated threshold but drives home how it's not easy to win against really good competition...

https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?232154-Records-versus-playoff-game-winners-this-decade&highlight=record+playoff

I'd still like to see each school's all-time records vs Top 25 opponents. I still maintain few very programs hold winning records.

[taper]

I'm talking over an extended period of time! There was a thread earlier in season regarding team's records against playoff teams.

This is what I'm referencing. This is an elevated threshold but drives home how it's not easy to win against really good competition...

https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?232154-Records-versus-playoff-game-winners-this-decade&highlight=record+playoff

I'd still like to see each school's all-time records vs Top 25 opponents. I still maintain few very programs hold winning records.

Wins against winning playoff teams is an iffy stat, in a field of 24 there are between 8-16 winners depending on how many seeds are upset. I see you're already backtracking from a .300-.400 being very good to saying .500+ is the bar. I just listed 23 teams that are .500 or better this year against AGS top 25. No Ivy teams are in the list. We'll get a 1-0 Ivy team this week, but only against another Ivy team.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Wins against winning playoff teams is an iffy stat, in a field of 24 there are between 8-16 winners depending on how many seeds are upset. I see you're already backtracking from a .300-.400 being very good to saying .500+ is the bar. I just listed 23 teams that are .500 or better this year against AGS top 25. No Ivy teams are in the list. We'll get a 1-0 Ivy team this week, but only against another Ivy team.

Not back tracking at all. My original comment was based solely on program's all-time records against Top 25 teams. I firmly maintain that a lot of the elite programs winning % would be in the .300 to .400 range. I base that figure on stats I've seen for historically elite FBS programs records vs the AP Top 25. I have to believe the FCS deviation is minimal.

The record vs winning playoffs teams that was posted earlier is simply a higher threshold which obviously results in even poorer records. You have really good programs with winning %'s in the .100-.200 range.

[ElCid]

It looks like:

Georgia Southern was 294-115-1 from 1982 to 2013.

App State was 286-149-4 from 1978 to 2013.

App St's first year in FCS was 1982. Prior to that, along with the rest of the SOCON, they we're officially FBS/1A. Not sure it makes a big difference as the opponents didn't change a whole lot.