David Stern and the NBA are a joke

[dbackjon]

Suspending Amare and Diaw for a game. Rewarding the Spurs for their dirty play.

The Stern is too much of a chicken to come to Phoenix - cancels his trip to Phoenix for Game 7.

[AppGuy04]

Horry starts it and Phoenix gets the worst of it?

[patssle]

wow. Whorey should not be playing the next game. That is ridiculous.

[aggie6thman]

The Spurs really are a dirty team. I can't believe what they are doing and getting away with. I didn't even see what warranted Amare and Diaw to get suspended.

[AppGuy04]

The Spurs really are a dirty team. I can't believe what they are doing and getting away with. I didn't even see what warranted Amare and Diaw to get suspended.

I think they came off the bench

[Col Hogan]

Horry gets two game, Amare and Diaw get one game.

Horry should have gotten more, but the other two had to be suspended for one game for leaving the bench....the players are told constantly to keepo their emotions in check and stay on the bench...they violated that rule, an automatic one game.

Hope the Suns whip the Spurs in the next game.....

[AppGuy04]

I've always liked Tim Duncan since I saw him play at Wake Forest, but I am now pulling for Phoenix

[NDSUFREAK]

ooopsss...i started another thread about this without looking for this. I didn't realize jon had started this.

[I Bleed Purple]

How about having the discipline to stay on your bench.

This thread is a joke.

[NDSUFREAK]

How about having the discipline to stay on your bench.

This thread is a joke.

Are you serious??!!! If somebody hits your best friend you go to his defense. Nash is their team. He is the one that carries them. Horry shoved him into the scorers table and could have really injured him. That is a first reaction that anybody would have if you saw that happen to a teammate, none the less a friend.

[I Bleed Purple]

Are you serious??!!! If somebody hits your best friend you go to his defense. Nash is their team. He is the one that carries them. Horry shoved him into the scorers table and could have really injured him. That is a first reaction that anybody would have if you saw that happen to a teammate, none the less a friend.
They are professionals. They know the rules. They are paid not to react to first instinct. There are plenty of others that are closer that will come to the defense of the player. Stay on the damn bench.

[NDSUFREAK]

They are professionals. They know the rules. They are paid not to react to first instinct. There are plenty of others that are closer that will come to the defense of the player. Stay on the damn bench.

Saying that you will stay on the bench is so much easier than actually being in the position that STAT and Diaw were in.

[dbackjon]

They are professionals. They know the rules. They are paid not to react to first instinct. There are plenty of others that are closer that will come to the defense of the player. Stay on the damn bench.

The Spurs have been cheap shotting the Suns all series. The joke is that Bowen, Duncan are still playing. I could live with Amare and Boris's suspension if Duncan was gone as well, since he came off the bench in the 2nd quarter.

but no, Duncan is the golden boy, and throws temper tantrums when he doesn't get his way, so he is not suspended either.

[I Bleed Purple]

Saying that you will stay on the bench is so much easier than actually being in the position that STAT and Diaw were in.

That's why I said that you have to have discipline and stay on the bench.

I don't recall anyone from the Knicks or Nuggets that got suspended for coming off the bench during the Garden Brawl.

[I Bleed Purple]

The Spurs have been cheap shotting the Suns all series. The joke is that Bowen, Duncan are still playing. I could live with Amare and Boris's suspension if Duncan was gone as well, since he came off the bench in the 2nd quarter.

but no, Duncan is the golden boy, and throws temper tantrums when he doesn't get his way, so he is not suspended either.
He didn't break a long standing rule. He didn't come off the bench during an altercation.

(Although, there is an argument about earlier in the game.)

[Col Hogan]

Saying that you will stay on the bench is so much easier than actually being in the position that STAT and Diaw were in.

And our lesson of the day is....every action has consequences...and adults must be willing to accept the consequences of their actions.

Thus, if you feel you must defend your team mate...I'm OK with you coming off the bench. But you must be OK with the one game automatic suspension. That's the way the world works.

Class dismissed.

As I said earlier...I hope the Suns whip the Spurs in the next game.

[UNHWildCats]

Sorry Jon but the two Suns players brokle the rules when the came off the bench, the suspension they each got was justified.

[NDSUFREAK]

Sorry Jon but the two Suns players brokle the rules when the came off the bench, the suspension they each got was justified.

But go through the tape (THE WHOLE TAPE) and then find any other times that there was any other "bench clearing" "Fouls" earlier in the game. Bowen has been lucky this entire series along with Duncan.

[I Bleed Purple]

But go through the tape (THE WHOLE TAPE) and then find any other times that there was any other "bench clearing" "Fouls" earlier in the game. Bowen has been lucky this entire series along with Duncan.

No altercations, though.

[dbackjon]

No altercations, though.

Define "altercation"... One could just as easily argue what happened with Duncan was as much an altercation as Horry's cheap shot.



The end result - the Spurs get rewarded for dirty play.

[NDSUFREAK]

No altercations, though.

True, but the rule is you can't leave the vicinity of your bench. Duncan was close to being halfway onto the court along with another player but he wasn't as far out.

[UNHWildCats]

Define "altercation"... One could just as easily argue what happened with Duncan was as much an altercation as Horry's cheap shot.



The end result - the Spurs get rewarded for dirty play.


Had the two suns players followed the rules the only suspenmded player woulda been Horry. But they didn't and they deserve to be suspended as well.

[I Bleed Purple]

I'm sure the NBA has a definition for altercation. I personally don't know. I'm sure the players know, and if they don't, it's on them to find out.

[NDSUFREAK]

I will say that had STAT and Diaw been older they would have known better but what can you do about it now. If i were in the situation i would have down what they did as well. I don't like to see my teammates treated like that and cheap shotted.
The SUNS, however, will be out with electricty in their vains on Wednesday. I predict a major game for Nash and Bell with Kurt Thomas coming up big. Horry picked the wrong game to check Nash because the next game is in PHX.........I BLEED ORANGE ;)

[YoUDeeMan]

How about having the discipline to stay on your bench.

This thread is a joke.

Outstanding response! xhurrayx xthumbsupx xnodx

Good lord people, life isn't fair. Stop whining about what the other people did - you are only responsible for your behavior.

It's not as though someone had to stop Horry from murdering Nash. xeekx It was a stupid, thug-like tactic by Horry in a playoff game. And, he got suspended.

Guess what? If STAT and Diaw didn't respond, Horry would be suspended and they wouldn't. End of story.

[AppGuy04]

You're expecting athletes that have been pampered and catered to since middle school in most cases, to behave? Thats the joke!

[HIU 93]

I think they came off the bench

So did Duncan.

I think they should go back to the 70's and 80's era of the NBA and ABA. This suspending and fining for everything is getting ridiculous.

[Gil Dobie]

They can come off the bench, just not onto the in-bounds part of the court. Both Suns players crossed the OB line, hence rules are rules.

[tribe_pride]

So did Duncan.

I think they should go back to the 70's and 80's era of the NBA and ABA. This suspending and fining for everything is getting ridiculous.

In Duncan's case, there was no altercation on the floor and I can't see an argument to make that there was one. The rule says that it is an automatic 1 game suspension if (1) there is an altercation and (2) the player leaves the bench area. It is not an "or" in that case. That is why he did not get suspended.

I could really care less who wins this series but look for rule changes so that suspensions are fewer next year especially in this case.

[gmoney55]

Stupid, stupid rule, but they did get it right. I was cheering for the Spurs but I'd like to see the Suns overcome this.

[813Jag]

And our lesson of the day is....every action has consequences...and adults must be willing to accept the consequences of their actions.

Thus, if you feel you must defend your team mate...I'm OK with you coming off the bench. But you must be OK with the one game automatic suspension. That's the way the world works.

Class dismissed.

As I said earlier...I hope the Suns whip the Spurs in the next game.
Good Words. xthumbsupx xthumbsupx

[GannonFan]

Don't come off the bench - why is that so hard to understand????

[dbackjon]

Don't come off the bench - why is that so hard to understand????

Unless you are Tim Duncan, then the league redefines the rules for you.

[NDSUFREAK]

Unless you are Tim Duncan, then the league redefines the rules for you.

Can't say it any more than that. The spurs do get away with a lot more than any other team in the league.

[gmoney55]

Gotta disagree after seeing the Duncan video. There was nothing close to an altercation on that play.

[AppGuy04]

Gotta disagree after seeing the Duncan video. There was nothing close to an altercation on that play.

and did you see Amare? he never got past the coaches box, so thats a joke

[dbackjon]

Gotta disagree after seeing the Duncan video. There was nothing close to an altercation on that play.


But rules are rules.

So if Jones had then elbowed the Spurs player, Duncan would have been suspended?

And why did Bowen grab Duncan back to the bench if there was no altercation?

[gmoney55]

Unfortunately yes, that's the NBA for you. What a ridiculous, stupid rule. It's bad enough that they blow the momentum of this series by starting games at about 10:45 Eastern time. I don't think anyone should have been suspended at all, Horry included, but based on the rules Stoudamire and Diaw techincally did merit one since it was an altercation.

[AppGuy04]

Unfortunately yes, that's the NBA for you. What a ridiculous, stupid rule. It's bad enough that they blow the momentum of this series by starting games at about 10:45 Eastern time. I don't think anyone should have been suspended at all, Horry included, but based on the rules Stoudamire and Diaw techincally did merit one since it was an altercation.

Horry shouldn't have been suspended? Are you kidding me?

[gmoney55]

Nope, hard fouls like that have gone without suspension all postseason. Look at what the Warriors players have done to the Jazz.

[813Jag]

Horry definitely deserved to be suspended. If you think the Spurs are a dirty team, then you must have forgot about the Pat Riley coached Knicks and Heat. They make the Spurs look like boy scouts xlolx xlolx

[gmoney55]

Haha I loved those series. 97 was when this off the bench rule really came into play. Those Knicks could have given Chicago a good series too.

[813Jag]

Haha I loved those series. 97 was when this off the bench rule really came into play. Those Knicks could have given Chicago a good series too.
Losing two players will hurt for sure. But if the Suns can get game 5 Nash will prove to be the true MVP.

[tribe_pride]

and did you see Amare? he never got past the coaches box, so thats a joke

Relook at the video he took 2 steps past the coaches box.

[HIU 93]

Horry definitely deserved to be suspended. If you think the Spurs are a dirty team, then you must have forgot about the Pat Riley coached Knicks and Heat. They make the Spurs look like boy scouts xlolx xlolx

I LOVED those Knick teams, but they were that rough and tumble BEFORE Riles got there.

They just never could beat Jordan- or Olajuwon.

[AppGuy04]

Relook at the video he took 2 steps past the coaches box.
but still never got close to the action, the coaches pushed him back

[tribe_pride]

but still never got close to the action, the coaches pushed him back

True and that is why the rule has to be changed. But the way it has been interpreted for years, they had to suspend them. Remember the Knicks back in 97. Ewing was no where near the fight and got suspended.

[AppGuy04]

True and that is why the rule has to be changed. But the way it has been interpreted for years, they had to suspend them. Remember the Knicks back in 97. Ewing was no where near the fight and got suspended.
by rule, i understand, but still don't agree with it, he was atleast 10 feet from the action when the coaches held him back

[813Jag]

I LOVED those Knick teams, but they were that rough and tumble BEFORE Riles got there.

They just never could beat Jordan- or Olajuwon.
I was a young buck back then but you knew whoever played them was in for a fight.

[NDSUFREAK]

We will see it settled tonight in PHX...

[AppGuy04]

We will see it settled tonight in PHX...

If San Antonio wins, this is far from over, mark my word

[catbob]

There wasn't an altercation when they came off the bench though! They ran off the bench as soon as they saw Nash get cheap-shotted, about the same time I'm sure Raja Bell ran over to Rober Horry. They didn't come off the bench because Bell was fighting Horry, they came off because Horry tackled Nash.

[PantherRob82]

They need to change that rule about coming off the bench. If you don't do anything but take a few steps and back off, nothing should happen. Especially in a pivot game in the playoffs.