Chipper Whining

[MYTAPPY]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2869369

Myself being a Braves fan.....I wish Chipper would shut up and play. So, you half a tough schedulexviolinx ....go out and win most of these interleague games, and you won't have a problem with it.

[AppGuy04]

They are competing with the Muts anyways, so its all fair

BTW Chipper, try being a role model for the young guys on that team, they are the future

[Ivytalk]

They are competing with the Muts anyways, so its all fair

BTW Chipper, try being a role model for the young guys on that team, they are the future


Well said! And I presume the "role model" advice doesn't include Chipper's reputation as a "swordsman.":p

[gmoney55]

I have always wondered why they don't take the NFL format for interleague, it would mix it up more.

[tribe_pride]

I am not a Braves fan at all (Mets fan) but I have to agree with Larry. It's not fair when the Mets have to play the Yanks every year and Braves play the BoSox while the others in the division have to play the also rans who occasionally have a playoffs shot but have yet to make it in how many years.

NFL does that right. Baseball doesn't and won't change it because of money.

[I Bleed Purple]

It's amazing whenever a person criticizes an aspect of his/her sport, he/she is whining.

I agree with Chipper here (:D at the Larry thing, I guess one MVP at the sole expense of the Mets wasn't enough :p ). Interleague play is fine, but these rivalry series are only meaningful to a few franchises. At most, one three game set a year.

[PaladinFan]

I agree, I'm a lifelong Braves fan and I think Chipper has promoted himself as an admirable face of the franchise for over 10 years. He doesn't come off as whining at all, IMO. I completely agree with him.

This matchup pits the two best teams in the majors. If you are going to be the best, you have to beat the best.

What I find is more unfair is the DH rule. The designated hitter puts the NL teams at a severe disatvantage in interleague play. Strangely, the AL teams still have the advantage in NL ballparks because they possess a big bat sitting on the bench.

sorry for the diatribe about why the AL is a watered down, unpure, unchallenging form of baseball. It is a league built around aging big men who can only hit and therefore can still make a paycheck.

[TheValleyRaider]

sorry for the diatribe about why the AL is a watered down, unpure, unchallenging form of baseball. It is a league built around aging big men who can only hit and therefore can still make a paycheck.

http://www.espnstar.com/photo/1158389barry_bonds_310804.jpg
Yes, because there's no one like that in the NL... xrolleyesx

[Mr. C]

Chipper has always been a whiner and a Prima Dona.He is a great player, but he always has been too much of a cry baby for me. The fact is the Atlanta Braves do not have an obvious natural rival to some in the same way as the Yankees-Mets, Dodgers-Angels, Cubs-White Sox do, but people forget that Braves used to be the Boston Braves. There are probably a few oldtimers around that rooted for the Braves when they were in Boston (playing at what became Nickerson Field, Boston University's I-AA football venue). What is wrong with the Braves going back to the place where they once played (and won one of their three World Series titles in 1914). Learn some stupid history, Larry or Chipper, or whatever your stupid name is.

[UNHWildCats]

the Braves/Sox series has actually been off the past few seasons with Boston playing Philadelphia 6 times last season and it had been a couple seasons before that too since Boston pl;ayed Atlanta 6 times.

[Mr. C]

It makes as much sense as any of the possible rivalries to have Atlanta and Boston playing EVERY year. Gives the Boston Braves fans a chance to see the old team at least once a year that way. That's the least the Braves can do for jumping ship so often and leaving their fans behind.

[Mr. C]

Off topic, but maybe baseball ought to send the Oakland A's back to Philly to take on the Philadelphia Phillies one of these years? Or the Baltimore Orioles to St. Louis? The Giants back to New York? Put some new twists to interleague play.

[UNHWildCats]

what they should do is put either Houston or Colorado (Colorado makes more sense because they never have any pitching anyway) into the AL West and even out the divisions. If its Colorado, Houston moves to the NL West.

Then alternate who u play each season between divisions making it fair for teams in the same division. Play home and home series with each of the teams (2 game series.) that would be 20 interleague games each season.

Every day of the MLB season would have an interleague game to offset each league having 15 teams, after all thats why they invented the interleague play anyway until they decided to move Milwauklee to the NL to eliminate the idea of 15 team leagues.

[aggie6thman]

Off topic, but maybe baseball ought to send the Oakland A's back to Philly to take on the Philadelphia Phillies one of these years? Or the Baltimore Orioles to St. Louis? The Giants back to New York? Put some new twists to interleague play.

I had to re-read that post Mr. C because at first I thought you meant the A's should move back there. Phew!

I agree that MLB should switch things up a little, it will make life more interesting. A Giants-Yankees match-up would be great, even though I hate both teams!

[aggie6thman]

http://www.espnstar.com/photo/1158389barry_bonds_310804.jpg
Yes, because there's no one like that in the NL... xrolleyesx

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaamazing. Great post! xthumbsupx

[PaladinFan]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaamazing. Great post! xthumbsupx

The point is, the Giants sacrifice defense to have Bond's bat in the lineup. The American League teams make no such sacrifice. He doesn't play left field well, but he sure as heck still plays it.

I just find the DH ridiculous. People last year compared Brian Mcaan and Joe Mauer, two young catchers. Both great, but Mauer got to take time off every week and hit DH.

Furthermore, do you think Roger Clemens would have brushed so many hitters back when he was with Bos, Tor, and Ny if he knew he had to stand in the batters box the next inning? Nope.

[PaladinFan]

It makes as much sense as any of the possible rivalries to have Atlanta and Boston playing EVERY year. Gives the Boston Braves fans a chance to see the old team at least once a year that way. That's the least the Braves can do for jumping ship so often and leaving their fans behind.

A. You actually expect us to believe they play this game because of the Boston Braves fans? I find it ridiculous to call them moving a franchise "jumping ship."

B. Explain to me how Chipper Jones is some sort of consummate whiner. I've followed the guy's entire career, so you'll have to be pretty convincing.

[aggie6thman]

The point is, the Giants sacrifice defense to have Bond's bat in the lineup. The American League teams make no such sacrifice. He doesn't play left field well, but he sure as heck still plays it.

I just find the DH ridiculous. People last year compared Brian Mcaan and Joe Mauer, two young catchers. Both great, but Mauer got to take time off every week and hit DH.

Furthermore, do you think Roger Clemens would have brushed so many hitters back when he was with Bos, Tor, and Ny if he knew he had to stand in the batters box the next inning? Nope.

I think that it adds a different element to the game. I think that the DH isn't horrible for baseball or that the NL is a "purer" form, but rather it is what makes the two different leagues unique.

I am a Braves fan too, but my main team is the A's. I just enjoy watching baseball!xthumbsupx

[PaladinFan]

I think that it adds a different element to the game. I think that the DH isn't horrible for baseball or that the NL is a "purer" form, but rather it is what makes the two different leagues unique.

I am a Braves fan too, but my main team is the A's. I just enjoy watching baseball!xthumbsupx

I'm right there with you. However, I just lament the fact that the American League takes away some of the thinking game that is baseball. There are rarely pinch hits, no double switches and the like.

It was said one time that managing in the National league is like playing chess, while managing in the AL is like playing checkers. :)

[Go...gate]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2869369

Myself being a Braves fan.....I wish Chipper would shut up and play. So, you half a tough schedulexviolinx ....go out and win most of these interleague games, and you won't have a problem with it.

I'm sure the Mets would be only too happy to take him off your hands. xrotatehx

[whitey]

I'm sure the Mets would be only too happy to take him off your hands. xrotatehx

Why? The Mets already have a pretty good third baseman. Maybe Larry to the outfield, but I think the Mets have enough old injury prone outfielders too. :)

[AppGuy04]

Why? The Mets already have a pretty good third baseman. Maybe Larry to the outfield, but I think the Mets have enough old injury prone outfielders too. :)
which is why the Braves will win the NL East

[Dukie95]

I'm sure the Mets would be only too happy to take him off your hands. xrotatehx

There's no room for him in the lineup, unless he wants to play outfield again...the only advantage to having him would be to keep him from playing against New York.

[gmoney55]

With Chavez, Gomez and Milledge, Mets aren't going to lose because Alou and/or Green goes down.

[Dukie95]

With Chavez, Gomez and Milledge, Mets aren't going to lose because Alou and/or Green goes down.

Well, maybe if it's "and". Right now, they have a stacked, feared lineup, but can make do with one out...you take out two of them long term, and it's a different story.

[AppGuy04]

With Chavez, Gomez and Milledge, Mets aren't going to lose because Alou and/or Green goes down.

none of which have proven anything

[gmoney55]

Good point Dukie, it couldn't be "and" and it couldn't be Beltran. But if you lose Alou or Green it's not exactly hard to find someone to step in to the No. 7 or 8 spot of a stacked lineup. They did it all last year w/out Floyd and won 97 games.

[PaladinFan]

It's proven every year, hitting doesn't win you a World Series, pitching does.

The Braves have two guys better than anyone NY can throw out there. If Pedro comes back and is his usual self, then they can make a fight of it. However, the Braves are one of the best franchises at closing down a playoff race. They rarely are in first at the allstar break.

The reason NY would love to have Chipper is the guy flat owns Shea Stadium. I mean, he named his daggum kid after the place.

[aggie6thman]

I'm right there with you. However, I just lament the fact that the American League takes away some of the thinking game that is baseball. There are rarely pinch hits, no double switches and the like.

It was said one time that managing in the National league is like playing chess, while managing in the AL is like playing checkers. :)

What's wrong with checkers? xpeacex xeyebrowx :D

[tribe_pride]

It's proven every year, hitting doesn't win you a World Series, pitching does.

The Braves have two guys better than anyone NY can throw out there. If Pedro comes back and is his usual self, then they can make a fight of it. However, the Braves are one of the best franchises at closing down a playoff race. They rarely are in first at the allstar break.

Yeah because the Mets major league leading 3.15 ERA is horrible. Braves are at 4.04.

Wagner has only given up 1 earned run all season in 16 innings (1 other run) as closer while Braves have 5 guys with saves and several runs given up?????

The Mets starting pitching is doing pretty well too. They have 4 starters with at least 5 starts with ERAs under 3.35 (1.79, 2.53, 3.00,3.31 - other is Pelfrey at 6.53 who has been demoted and replaced by Sosa who is 2.77 in 2 starts) while Braves have only 2 like that (1.83 and 3.19 - others 4.04, 5.35 and 10.62)

Whose pitching are you more concerned about? The Mets haven't even used Pedro yet (though I question how his return will be)

[AppGuy04]

Yeah because the Mets major league leading 3.15 ERA is horrible. Braves are at 4.04.

Wagner has only given up 1 earned run all season in 16 innings (1 other run) as closer while Braves have 5 guys with saves and several runs given up?????

The Mets starting pitching is doing pretty well too. They have 4 starters with at least 5 starts with ERAs under 3.35 (1.79, 2.53, 3.00,3.31 - other is Pelfrey at 6.53 who has been demoted and replaced by Sosa who is 2.77 in 2 starts) while Braves have only 2 like that (1.83 and 3.19 - others 4.04, 5.35 and 10.62)

Whose pitching are you more concerned about? The Mets haven't even used Pedro yet (though I question how his return will be)

where exactly did he say that the Braves staff was better than the Mets?

Smoltz and Hudson are better than anyone the Mets throw out there, thats all he said

[Go...gate]

There's no room for him in the lineup, unless he wants to play outfield again...the only advantage to having him would be to keep him from playing against New York.

Good enough for me, as he is a Met-killer!

In all seriousness, I have always considered him possibly the most underrated player in baseball and would love to have him on the Mets.

[I Bleed Purple]

I think Redman's 12+ ERA has forever stained the Braves total ERA.

I hope he never recovers from that ingrown toenail before the Braves ship him out.

[gmoney55]

In the end the division probably won't matter, it looks like the second place NL East team should be in great WC position. I could really care less if the Mets go the playoffs as division winner or WC, heck the WC has more postseason success lately.

[Mr. C]

A. You actually expect us to believe they play this game because of the Boston Braves fans? I find it ridiculous to call them moving a franchise "jumping ship."

B. Explain to me how Chipper Jones is some sort of consummate whiner. I've followed the guy's entire career, so you'll have to be pretty convincing.
A. That is EXACTLY the reason that matchup was originally done. Neither team had another natural matchup and the Braves DID play in Boston for MOST of their history. You find a lot of things "ridiculous." It doesn't mean my opinion is wrong. Hey, the Braves absolutely raped Milwaukee for a little over a decade and then moved to Atlanta. That was a move that NEVER should have been allowed.
B. No matter what I tell a Braves fan like you about Chipper's propensity for whining, you won't believe it, so I'm not going to waste my time. Anyone who looks at this subject objectivly knows he is a whiner.

[blueballs]

A. You actually expect us to believe they play this game because of the Boston Braves fans? I find it ridiculous to call them moving a franchise "jumping ship."

B. Explain to me how Chipper Jones is some sort of consummate whiner. I've followed the guy's entire career, so you'll have to be pretty convincing.


... and I know he and his dad too, so I'd like to hear that as well.

[PaladinFan]

A. That is EXACTLY the reason that matchup was originally done. Neither team had another natural matchup and the Braves DID play in Boston for MOST of their history. You find a lot of things "ridiculous." It doesn't mean my opinion is wrong. Hey, the Braves absolutely raped Milwaukee for a little over a decade and then moved to Atlanta. That was a move that NEVER should have been allowed.
B. No matter what I tell a Braves fan like you about Chipper's propensity for whining, you won't believe it, so I'm not going to waste my time. Anyone who looks at this subject objectivly knows he is a whiner.

I mean, I can tell you aren't a Braves fan, but you still haven't given me some kind of evidence of what you say is true. If you're right, you're right. Or perhaps you just don't like him.

Right, the matchup was done because there is a link between Boston and the Braves. However, I highly doubt that the game was put in place to appease longtime Braves fans living in Boston, which is what you were suggesting.

[AppGuy04]

The game doesn't bother me, because in all honesty, I think it pits the 2 best all around teams

[bandl]

Shouldn't ole Chipper worry about teams in his own division first?? His Braves can't even win a series against Nat's! Nat's just took 3 out of 4 from them, last two wins coming from behind. xlolx xlolx xsmhx xsmhx

[PaladinFan]

Shouldn't ole Chipper worry about teams in his own division first?? His Braves can't even win a series against Nat's! Nat's just took 3 out of 4 from them, last two wins coming from behind. xlolx xlolx xsmhx xsmhx

I'll hand it to them, Nationals played a great series. They didn't score a lot of runs, but their bullpen was phenomenal the entire series.

I said it earlier, ATL is rarely in first place at the all-star break (maybe once or twice in their 14 year run) yet they always end up there in the end.

[seantaylor]

I wish the Nats could play all their games against the Braves. We would be in contention then. Seriously, the Nats have a very good young pitching staff.