STATS Top 25 (Week 6 2019)

[Professor Chaos]

http://www.fcs.football/cfb/polls.asp?div=fcs



Rank

School

Votes

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1

North Dakota State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0309) (5-0)

3899 (155)

1



2

James Madison (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0196) (5-1)

3704 (1)

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3

South Dakota State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0312) (4-1)

3611

3



4

Weber State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0119) (3-2)

3286

4



5

Villanova (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0199) (6-0)

3221

5



6

Montana State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0117) (5-1)

3043

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7

Kennesaw State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=2610) (4-1)

2820

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8

Montana (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0116) (5-1)

2815

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9

Towson (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0221) (3-2)

2497

9



10

UNI (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0123) (3-2)

2357

13



11

Furman (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0174) (4-2)

2271

14



12

Nicholls (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0181) (3-2)

2173

16



13

North Carolina A&T (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0148) (4-1)

1993

15



14

Illinois State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0121) (3-2)

1810

10



15

Delaware (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0195) (3-2)

1437

19



16

Central Arkansas (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0268) (3-2)

1391

11



17

Jacksonville State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0247) (4-2)

1118

21



18

Maine (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0203) (2-3)

1071

20



19

Youngstown State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0225) (4-1)

985

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20

Southeast Missouri State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0155) (3-2)

959

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21

Princeton (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0133) (3-0)

775

25



22

Stony Brook (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0629) (4-2)

680

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23

Southeastern Louisiana (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=2234) (3-2)

525

17



24

UC Davis (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0263) (2-4)

414

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25

Sam Houston State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0184) (4-2)

351

NR



Others: Sacramento State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0110) (350) , Dartmouth (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0130) (281) , South Carolina State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0149) (198) , North Dakota (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0308) (195) , Austin Peay (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0150) (114) , Yale (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0134) (88) , Central Connecticut State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0209) (70) , Wofford (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0267) (39) , Alcorn State (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0188) (28) , Eastern Washington (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0113) (26) , New Hampshire (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0205) (24) , Tennessee Tech (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0158) (23) , McNeese (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0180) (20) , Houston Baptist (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=2601) (17) , Samford (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0218) (8) , UT Martin (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0156) (7) , Elon (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0350) (3) , Georgetown (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0137) (2) , Cal Poly (http://www.fcs.football/cfb/teamstats.asp?report=teamhome&team=0108) (1)

[Professor Chaos]

Oh... where to start. A 2-4 team should never be in the top 25.... ever. Jacksonville St is laughably overrated at #17. SHSU over UND??? Eastern Washington still getting votes???

[WeAreThePride]

How can Davis still be ranked at 2-4?

[MSUBobcat]

Is Kennesaw going to ride that OT loss to Kent State top 8 seed, per the STATS poll???

[Professor Chaos]

Is Kennesaw going to ride that OT loss to Kent State top 8 seed, per the STATS poll???
The crazy thing is if voters are going off name recognition one of the most recognizable names in the subdivision, who happens to have a far superior resume to KSU, is sitting one spot below them.

Sagarin: If Montana was playing Kennesaw St on a neutral field this weekend they've be a 10 point favorite.
Massey: If Montana was playing Kennesaw St on a neutral field this weekend they've be a 9 point favorite.

STATS and Coaches voters: https://media.giphy.com/media/jPAdK8Nfzzwt2/giphy.gif

[Herdistheword]

UC Davis impressed me in the NDSU game, but they would not be anywhere near my top 25. You cannot lose 4 of 6 games and still get the benefit of the doubt. I hope they regroup and play up to their potential, but right now the results indicate that they were not who we thought they were.

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

UC Davis impressed me in the NDSU game, but they would not be anywhere near my top 25. You cannot lose 4 of 6 games and still get the benefit of the doubt. I hope they regroup and play up to their potential, but right now the results indicate that they were not who we thought they were.

Worked all summer to try and beat the Bison and shot their wad. They will not make the playoffs.

[Silenoz]

You guys put too much stock in games against the Bison. It's just one game. Sometimes teams play like ****. Sometimes they play well. Sometimes the schemes work and sometimes they don't. AGS.

It took a miracle for us to beat Idaho State in 2009 and they were hot garbage. We should have beat EWU in 2010 when they were awesome and we were garbage. **** happens.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Oh... where to start. A 2-4 team should never be in the top 25.... ever. Jacksonville St is laughably overrated at #17. SHSU over UND??? Eastern Washington still getting votes???

The problem for me is not the order (SHSU over UND), it is the discrepancy in points (351-195). At this point, body of work comes into play, and not just a 4 pt loss in the Alerus Center.

As for your other questions...could not agree more. Yikes!

[wapiti]

Worked all summer to try and beat the Bison and shot their wad. They will not make the playoffs.
Did they shoot their wad at a ref?

https://youtu.be/0nzCPCMKC6w

[MSUBobcat]

Did they shoot their wad at a ref?

https://youtu.be/0nzCPCMKC6w

Jebus.... that guy needs to serve some time. Is Maine an Open Cannon Carry state or do you have to have a permit?

[JSUSoutherner]

My reaction to seeing JSU at 17 is akin to Gunny finding the jelly donut in Full Metal Jacket.

[Professor Chaos]

The problem for me is not the order (SHSU over UND), it is the discrepancy in points (351-195). At this point, body of work comes into play, and not just a 4 pt loss in the Alerus Center.

As for your other questions...could not agree more. Yikes!
I don't see UND as having a better body of work but I weight quality wins higher than quality losses. UND has two wins that are better than any win SHSU has IMO and that includes head-to-head. UND does have a worse loss than SHSU does.

[uofmman1122]

You guys put too much stock in games against the Bison. It's just one game. Sometimes teams play like ****. Sometimes they play well. Sometimes the schemes work and sometimes they don't. AGS.

It took a miracle for us to beat Idaho State in 2009 and they were hot garbage. We should have beat EWU in 2010 when they were awesome and we were garbage. **** happens.
One of two things is true:

1. NDSU is not nearly as good as they have been, and the Valley teams as a whole are overrated.
2. Like you suggest, UC Davis caught NDSU in a bad game, played way above their heads, and are clearly not the same team they were a season ago.

It's pretty obvious to me that they (like EWU) are not the same team they were a year ago.

Also, to be fair, our 2010 team was a really, really good team that just didn't know what they were doing in a new offense (that also lost a potential All-American QB to injury).

[Lorne_Malvo]

Sometimes teams play like ****. Sometimes they play well. Sometimes the schemes work and sometimes they don't.

This is why a JMU beat NDSU.

[caribbeanhen]

The school girl crush on Kennesaw st Burning strong

[POD Knows]

One of two things is true:

1. NDSU is not nearly as good as they have been, and the Valley teams as a whole are overrated.
2. Like you suggest, UC Davis caught NDSU in a bad game, played way above their heads, and are clearly not the same team they were a season ago.

It's pretty obvious to me that they (like EWU) are not the same team they were a year ago.

Also, to be fair, our 2010 team was a really, really good team that just didn't know what they were doing in a new offense (that also lost a potential All-American QB to injury).
What are you basing point #1 on, I am genuinely curious. Is it all the close games we have had against ranked teams so far this year??????? Maybe we aren't as good but nothing we have done to date would indicate that. You must have some inside knowledge nobody knows about. This NDSU offense might be the best in the last 5 years, I am not kidding. D is real young but improving. You said not nearly as good, that implies a steep downturn in the team. Explain.

[Preferred Walk-On]

I don't see UND as having a better body of work but I weight quality wins higher than quality losses. UND has two wins that are better than any win SHSU has IMO and that includes head-to-head. UND does have a worse loss than SHSU does.

I can respect this opinion, although I don't agree with it. Which were UND's quality wins? If you are talking about over UC Davis and H2H over SHSU (I assume these are the two to which you are referring), you must also consider that UC Davis may not be nearly as good as first perceived. And the H2H is one game played when the SHSU QB was still finding his way. Also, I assume you are considering the SHSU win to be a quality win because of SHSU's quality wins (see below).

One might argue that SHSU has two quality wins as well (UIW and McNeese). McNeese just knocked off a team (SELA) that many on this forum were quite high on and UIW just beat an AGS Top 25 team (HBU). I don't remember EWU or UC Davis having any better wins, unless you consider a 3 pt win over San Diego better than the McNeese or UIW wins I just mentioned. And UND lost to EWU, who is currently not even listed in the ORV (I assume this is the worse loss to which you are referring).

The point I am trying to make is that it is neither obvious, nor a foregone conclusion that UND should be ranked above SHSU, period. In fact, I perceive SHSU's body of work as better than UND's for the reasons described above. If you make it simply a H2H, then of course, UND won the game (held on to win by 4 pt). However, this would be a myopic view after week 6, IMO. For the record, I did briefly consider putting UND at 25 and leaving SHSU out of my AGS poll ballot, so they are very close.

[F'N Hawks]

I can respect this opinion, although I don't agree with it. Which were UND's quality wins? If you are talking about over UC Davis and H2H over SHSU (I assume these are the two to which you are referring), you must also consider that UC Davis may not be nearly as good as first perceived. And the H2H is one game played when the SHSU QB was still finding his way. Also, I assume you are considering the SHSU win to be a quality win because of SHSU's quality wins (see below).

One might argue that SHSU has two quality wins as well (UIW and McNeese). McNeese just knocked off a team (SELA) that many on this forum were quite high on and UIW just beat an AGS Top 25 team (HBU). I don't remember EWU or UC Davis having any better wins, unless you consider a 3 pt win over San Diego better than the McNeese or UIW wins I just mentioned. And UND lost to EWU, who is currently not even listed in the ORV (I assume this is the worse loss to which you are referring).

The point I am trying to make is that it is neither obvious, nor a foregone conclusion that UND should be ranked above SHSU, period. In fact, I perceive SHSU's body of work as better than UND's for the reasons described above. If you make it simply a H2H, then of course, UND won the game (held on to win by 4 pt). However, this would be a myopic view after week 6, IMO. For the record, I did briefly consider putting UND at 25 and leaving SHSU out of my AGS poll ballot, so they are very close.

If you are going to go that deep into breaking it down, there are some average resumes ranked above these two, also.

Also, Schmid played most the game vs UND and didn't do a thing. Then he got hurt so Brock had to play after that. QB is not the reason they lost at UND.

[Professor Chaos]

I can respect this opinion, although I don't agree with it. Which were UND's quality wins? If you are talking about over UC Davis and H2H over SHSU (I assume these are the two to which you are referring), you must also consider that UC Davis may not be nearly as good as first perceived. And the H2H is one game played when the SHSU QB was still finding his way. Also, I assume you are considering the SHSU win to be a quality win because of SHSU's quality wins (see below).

One might argue that SHSU has two quality wins as well (UIW and McNeese). McNeese just knocked off a team (SELA) that many on this forum were quite high on and UIW just beat an AGS Top 25 team (HBU). I don't remember EWU or UC Davis having any better wins, unless you consider a 3 pt win over San Diego better than the McNeese or UIW wins I just mentioned. And UND lost to EWU, who is currently not even listed in the ORV (I assume this is the worse loss to which you are referring).

The point I am trying to make is that it is neither obvious, nor a foregone conclusion that UND should be ranked above SHSU, period. In fact, I perceive SHSU's body of work as better than UND's for the reasons described above. If you make it simply a H2H, then of course, UND won the game (held on to win by 4 pt). However, this would be a myopic view after week 6, IMO. For the record, I did briefly consider putting UND at 25 and leaving SHSU out of my AGS poll ballot, so they are very close.
Yes, I believe wins over UC Davis and SHSU are both better than McNeese or UIW. You're giving credit for McNeese's win over SELA "who AGS was high on" but devaluing UND's win over UC Davis who AGS used to be higher on. HBU was also never an AGS top 25 team. They got close but it remains to be seen whether their early season run was a product of an easy schedule or a good team.

If you want to say SHSU has better wins than UND so be it, I just don't agree. Factor in UND's bad loss to EWU and I think the resumes are a push at best for SHSU and the obvious and easy tie breaker is head-to-head matchup.

[Serpentor]

Oh... where to start. A 2-4 team should never be in the top 25.... ever. Jacksonville St is laughably overrated at #17. SHSU over UND??? Eastern Washington still getting votes???

Boy, I sure am glad that SHSU is back in the rankings so all you Bison fans can go back to bitching about us nonstop again.

[F'N Hawks]

Now losing to EWU on the road in a snowstorm is a bad loss. The spin that follows UND around every year is truly something.

[Professor Chaos]

Boy, I sure am glad that SHSU is back in the rankings so all you Bison fans can go back to bitching about us nonstop again.
I ranked SHSU in my AGS poll ballot this week at #24. I just had UND at #22. Same thing happened last year in the STATS and Coaches poll with SHSU consistently ranked in front of UND who had beaten them head-to-head with essentially the same record.

And I bitch way more about JSU's ranking/being ranked than I do about SHSU.

[Serpentor]

I ranked SHSU in my AGS poll ballot this week at #24. I just had UND at #22. Same thing happened last year in the STATS and Coaches poll with SHSU consistently ranked in front of UND who had beaten them head-to-head with essentially the same record.

And I bitch way more about JSU's ranking/being ranked than I do about SHSU.

It's clear that they don't consider beating SHSU to be a quality win. The survey takes the Bearkats' overrating into consideration, it makes sense! :D

[Silenoz]

What are you basing point #1 on, I am genuinely curious. Is it all the close games we have had against ranked teams so far this year??????? Maybe we aren't as good but nothing we have done to date would indicate that. You must have some inside knowledge nobody knows about. This NDSU offense might be the best in the last 5 years, I am not kidding. D is real young but improving. You said not nearly as good, that implies a steep downturn in the team. Explain.
Did you actually read what he wrote?...

Damn you guys can be testy at the slightest implication of disrespect. You're happy to pile on everyone else all the time, yet god help us if you (mis)read something that says you're not amazing.

[Silenoz]

This is why a JMU beat NDSU.
Nah, they were ****ing good that year. And that was in Fargo.

[Bison56]

Boy, I sure am glad that SHSU is back in the rankings so all you Bison fans can go back to bitching about us nonstop again.

I have been waiting all season for this moment.

[OhioHen]

How can Davis still be ranked at 2-4?

Same way they come out at #29 in the AGS poll.

[caribbeanhen]

This is why a JMU beat NDSU.

the main reason was the QB Schor, kid was a winner .... simple

[Bisonator]

Now losing to EWU on the road in a snowstorm is a bad loss. The spin that follows UND around every year is truly something.
Take care of your **** and you wouldn't have to worry about the spin. ;)

[F'N Hawks]

Take care of your **** and you wouldn't have to worry about the spin. ;)

lets spread the spin around and we wouldn't have to take on so much of it. :D

[Preferred Walk-On]

Yes, I believe wins over UC Davis and SHSU are both better than McNeese or UIW. You're giving credit for McNeese's win over SELA "who AGS was high on" but devaluing UND's win over UC Davis who AGS used to be higher on. HBU was also never an AGS top 25 team. They got close but it remains to be seen whether their early season run was a product of an easy schedule or a good team.

If you want to say SHSU has better wins than UND so be it, I just don't agree. Factor in UND's bad loss to EWU and I think the resumes are a push at best for SHSU and the obvious and easy tie breaker is head-to-head matchup.

Sorry about the mis-step on HBU (#29), which is exactly where UC Davis is now, but not then. I think we will have to agree to disagree, but I can respect the opinion. Again, just trying to point out that I don't think UND>SHSU is an obvious assumption (since this seemed to be a foregone conclusion for a few). Perhaps this type of scrutiny occurs when everyone can agree on the top 8-11, but can basically throw darts for 20-25. Appreciate the responses though.

[Preferred Walk-On]

the main reason was the QB Schor, kid was a winner .... simple

This^^^

[Grizalltheway]

the main reason was the QB Schor, kid was a winner .... simple
Now that I think about it, Sneed actually reminds me a lot of him. xnodx

[kab]

Are there any top 25 teams that don’t participate in the playoffs

[Catbooster]

Are there any top 25 teams that don’t participate in the playoffs
In this (STATS) poll for this week, Princeton (all Ivies) and NCA&T depends - if they win their conference no (their conference champ is committed to another game) but if they take second they can accept an at-large berth, if offered.

[NEBison]

the main reason was the QB Schor, kid was a winner .... simple

Also, Khalid Abdullah was an absolute dude

[POD Knows]

Did you actually read what he wrote?...

Damn you guys can be testy at the slightest implication of disrespect. You're happy to pile on everyone else all the time, yet god help us if you (mis)read something that says you're not amazing.Yea I freaking read what he wrote, I basically quoted him in my reply. NDSU is not nearly as good as they have been.

What is that based on, our play and performance to date this year? I just want to know how he came up with that analysis, that is all. "Not nearly as good as they have been" implies a sharp drop when compared to previous teams. Maybe you need a reading lesson.

[uofmman1122]

Yea I freaking read what he wrote, I basically quoted him in my reply. NDSU is not nearly as good as they have been.

What is that based on, our play and performance to date this year? I just want to know how he came up with that analysis, that is all. "Not nearly as good as they have been" implies a sharp drop when compared to previous teams. Maybe you need a reading lesson.
Holy ****, I said "One of these two things is true", gave two things that can't be true at the same time, then flat out said the opposite of what you think I said.

Seriously, some of you Bison fans are just comically incapable of dealing with even slight criticism of your team, and I didn't even criticize your team​! lol

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Yea I freaking read what he wrote, I basically quoted him in my reply. NDSU is not nearly as good as they have been.

What is that based on, our play and performance to date this year? I just want to know how he came up with that analysis, that is all. "Not nearly as good as they have been" implies a sharp drop when compared to previous teams. Maybe you need a reading lesson.

Trust me POD, you misfired on this one. I read it exactly Silenoz said. He was positing two different scenarios and defending the one which he though was most plausible and leaving the other one hanging out there undefended...the one that you latched on to.

[POD Knows]

Holy ****, I said "One of these two things is true", gave two things that can't be true at the same time, then flat out said the opposite of what you think I said.

Seriously, some of you Bison fans are just comically incapable of dealing with even slight criticism of your team, and I didn't even criticize your team​! lolYep, that is on me, I do need the reading lesson, applied to the post on my phone and didn't see the top line. Accept my apologies.

[uofmman1122]

Yep, that is on me, I do need the reading lesson, applied to the post on my phone and didn't see the top line. Accept my apologies.
We're arguing! Stop being reasonable!

Haha, no worries. I sometimes try to be a much better wordsmith than I actually am. lol

[POD Knows]

We're arguing! Stop being reasonable!

Haha, no worries. I sometimes try to be a much better wordsmith than I actually am. lol
I felt like an idiot after I read the entire thing in context. It didn’t make any sense to me what I thought you said and I was baffled. It took two of you guys to bash me on the side of the head to get me straightened out. I felt not unlike a fool.

[Redbird 4th & short]

You guys put too much stock in games against the Bison. It's just one game. Sometimes teams play like ****. Sometimes they play well. Sometimes the schemes work and sometimes they don't. AGS.

It took a miracle for us to beat Idaho State in 2009 and they were hot garbage. We should have beat EWU in 2010 when they were awesome and we were garbage. **** happens.
yeah .. what he said ... I hope