AGS Poll Results - WEEK 5 - 2019 SEASON

[AGSPoll]

9/30/2019



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes


1
North Dakota State Bison
2210
80


2
James Madison Dukes
2119
6


3
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2049
3


4
Weber State Wildcats
1860



5
Villanova Wildcats
1839



6
Montana State Bobcats
1658



7
Montana Grizzlies
1591



8
Furman Paladins
1445



9
Central Arkansas Bears
1305



10
Towson Tigers
1292



11
Illinois State Redbirds
1283



12
Northern Iowa Panthers
1261



13
Kennesaw State Owls
1240



14
UC Davis Aggies
1142



15
Youngstown State Penguins
972



16
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
960



17
Nicholls State Colonels
779



18
North Carolina A&T Aggies
706



19
Maine Black Bears
492



20
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
453



21
Stony Brook Seawolves
439



22
Princeton Tigers
349



23
Eastern Washington Eagles
205



24
Austin Peay Governors
184



25
Elon Phoenix
132
















ORV:




26
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
131



27
Dartmouth Big Green
123



28
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
118



29
Houston Baptist Huskies
102



30
Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
73



31
Sac State Hornets
58



32T
Samford Bulldogs
57



32T
The Citadel Bulldogs
57



34
Yale Bulldogs
50



35
Sam Houston State Bearkats
35



36
Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
30



37T
South Carolina State Bulldogs
23



37T
Southern Illinois Salukis
23



39
Indiana State Sycamores
22



40
Idaho State Bengals
15
















Most Significant Win:

Montana Grizzlies



Most Significant Loss:

Jacksonville State Gamecocks





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[FUGameBreaker]

xthumbsupx

[Professor Chaos]

Here's this weeks poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-5-top-25-results-2/

A few thoughts:


JSU falling to #26 snapped their 78 week streak in the AGS top 25. The last time they weren't in the top 25 was week 12 of 2013. They missed the top 25 by a single point. Every vote counts!
For all the flack the CAA got for underperforming in the playoffs last year they've got 7 teams in the top 25 right now and looks like they'll get at least 5 bids again.
There was some interesting 2-4 spot movement in the middle of the poll (like Central Arkansas moving up 3 spots on a bye for example) but if you look at the point totals they weren't much different from last week, it's just teams are bunched pretty tightly in that #9-#13 range with only 65 points separating them.
A couple traditional powers are on the rise as Villanova is at their highest ranking since early 2015 and Montana is at their highest ranking since early 2016.
NDSU was #1 for the 21st consecutive poll breaking their own record for most consecutive weeks at #1 set from mid-2012 through the end of 2013 (they were #2 briefly in the 2014 preseason poll before reclaiming the top spot in week 1).

[JSUSoutherner]

Alright...
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Who voted for Jacksonville State?

[Professor Chaos]

Alright...
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Who voted for Jacksonville State?
Guilty.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Furman Paladins
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Northern Iowa Panthers
10: Towson Tigers
11: Kennesaw State Owls
12: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Youngstown State Penguins
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: UC Davis Aggies
17: Princeton Tigers
18: Nicholls State Colonels
19: North Carolina A&T Aggies
20: Austin Peay Governors
21: Stony Brook Seawolves
22: Delaware Fightin Blue Hens
23: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
24: Eastern Washington Eagles
25: Maine Black Bears

I just had a hard time finding teams I liked in those #23-#25 spots.

[WileECoyote06]

Wow yall were rough on Northern Iowa. I didn't get to submit a poll this week. :( My first miss in a long time.

[Professor Chaos]

Oh and another interesting note. The AGS #5 team has lost 3 weeks in a row (Maine in week 2, Towson in week 3, and UNI in week 4). Villanova is at William & Mary this Saturday. Will they break the curse?

[RootinFerDukes]

People still voting for Jacksonville State need to just give up on voting. There's no excuse. Not one.

- - - Updated - - -


Oh and another interesting note. The AGS #5 team has lost 3 weeks in a row (Maine in week 2, Towson in week 3, and UNI in week 4). Villanova is at William & Mary this Saturday. Will they break the curse?

Yes. W&M kind of sucks.

[Professor Chaos]

People still voting for Jacksonville State need to just give up on voting. There's no excuse. Not one.

I can think of a few excuses. Both of their losses are to teams I have ranked higher than them. They beat EWU who made themselves into a half decent win again I thought after dropping UND. Their dominating win over a decent Chatty team is also impressive.

Not saying I'm proud of still having them in my top 25 but it's justifiable IMO.

[F'N Hawks]

I can think of a few excuses. Both of their losses are to teams I have ranked higher than them. They beat EWU who made themselves into a half decent win again I thought after dropping UND. Their dominating win over a decent Chatty team is also impressive.

Not saying I'm proud of still having them in my top 25 but it's justifiable.

EWU is not back. UND turned it over 6 times in the snow and were in it til the very end.

[Derby City Duke]

Oh and another interesting note. The AGS #5 team has lost 3 weeks in a row (Maine in week 2, Towson in week 3, and UNI in week 4). Villanova is at William & Mary this Saturday. Will they break the curse?

Short answer: Yes

Long answer: Bill & Mary lost to Albany this weekend, so #$!! yes.

[Professor Chaos]

EWU is not back. UND turned it over 6 times in the snow and were in it til the very end.
I didn't watch but judging from the gamecast and stats UND put themselves out of the game early. They got it to within 1 score for a bit in the 4th quarter but it was a multiple score game other than that for pretty much the entire game other than that. You can claim UND shot themselves in the foot but it's fair to point out that EWU didn't turn it over once which impressed me given the conditions.

I still think UND is a decent team, I'm surprised they dropped completely out of the top 40 since Sam Houston is still hanging around in the ORV but I may be too high on EWU (even though I'm lower than the consensus) and if I am my flimsy reasoning for still ranking JSU collapses also.

[Daytripper]

I think Sam Houston is better than where they are located in this poll. I understand the reticence in voting for them. We won't get any love in the next two weeks no matter what we do (v. SFA, v. Lamar). Our next chance to prove anything will be week 8 versus Nicholls, then week 9 versus UCA. We should be undefeated in conference when we play the Colonels in Huntsville.

[Evolution Prime]

1. North Dakota State Bison
2. James Madison Dukes
3. South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4. Weber State Wildcats
5. Villanova Wildcats
6. Montana State Bobcats
7. Central Arkansas Bears
8. Montana Grizzlies
9. UC Davis Aggies
10. Northern Iowa Panthers
11. Towson Tigers
12. Southeasern Louisiana Lions
13. Furman Paladins
14. Illinois State Redbirds
15. Kennesaw State Owls
16. Maine Black Bears
17. Nicholls State Colonels
18. Austin Peay Governors
19. Youngstown State Penguins
20. North Carolina A&T Aggies
21. Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22. Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
23. Samford Bulldogs
24. Stony Brook Seawolves
25. Houston Baptist Huskies

The Most Significant Win: Eastern Washington Eagles
The Most Significant Loss: UC Davis Aggies
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Prime Power]

Fire away.....

Hello Prime Power,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/29/2019 10:13:44

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Montana State Bobcats
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: Furman Paladins
10: Central Arkansas Bears
11: UC Davis Aggies
12: Towson Tigers
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Youngstown State Penguins
15: Nicholls State Colonels
16: North Carolina A&T Aggies
17: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
18: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
19: Maine Black Bears
20: Kennesaw State Owls
21: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
22: Stony Brook Seawolves
23: Houston Baptist Huskies
24: Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
25: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles

Prime Power

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Here's this weeks poll article: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-5-top-25-results-2/

A few thoughts:


JSU falling to #26 snapped their 78 week streak in the AGS top 25. The last time they weren't in the top 25 was week 12 of 2013. They missed the top 25 by a single point. Every vote counts!
For all the flack the CAA got for underperforming in the playoffs last year they've got 7 teams in the top 25 right now and looks like they'll get at least 5 bids again.
There was some interesting 2-4 spot movement in the middle of the poll (like Central Arkansas moving up 3 spots on a bye for example) but if you look at the point totals they weren't much different from last week, it's just teams are bunched pretty tightly in that #9-#13 range with only 65 points separating them.
A couple traditional powers are on the rise as Villanova is at their highest ranking since early 2015 and Montana is at their highest ranking since early 2016.
NDSU was #1 for the 21st consecutive poll breaking their own record for most consecutive weeks at #1 set from mid-2012 through the end of 2013 (they were #2 briefly in the 2014 preseason poll before reclaiming the top spot in week 1).



Great article again Professor. One little additional piece to add to this "snapping a 78 week streak being in the AGS top 25 dating back to week 13 of 2013" is that it is by ONE point.

[POD Knows]

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/29/2019 9:07:20

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Central Arkansas Bears
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Montana Grizzlies
9: Illinois State Redbirds
10: UC Davis Aggies
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Towson Tigers
13: Furman Paladins
14: Youngstown State Penguins
15: Kennesaw State Owls
16: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
17: Nicholls State Colonels
18: North Carolina A&T Aggies
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Princeton Tigers
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: Maine Black Bears
23: Eastern Washington Eagles
24: Sac State Hornets
25: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[JSUSoutherner]

I can think of a few excuses. Both of their losses are to teams I have ranked higher than them. They beat EWU who made themselves into a half decent win again I thought after dropping UND. Their dominating win over a decent Chatty team is also impressive.

Not saying I'm proud of still having them in my top 25 but it's justifiable IMO.

Have you watched us play?

Did you watch the game Saturday?

We looked like GARBAGE.

We could have gotten beat by PeeWee Middle School JV or Alabama. We still looked terrible.

Just because the team that stood on our throat is ranked means exactly nothing. We got S-L-A-U-G-H-T-E-R-E-D.

My Avatar sums up the current state of Jax State football.

[Bisonator]

Hello Bisonator,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/29/2019 13:24:20

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: Furman Paladins
6: Montana Grizzlies
7: Villanova Wildcats
8: Montana State Bobcats
9: Central Arkansas Bears
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Youngstown State Penguins
12: Kennesaw State Owls
13: Northern Iowa Panthers
14: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
15: UC Davis Aggies
16: North Carolina A&T Aggies
17: Maine Black Bears
18: Stony Brook Seawolves
19: Towson Tigers
20: Austin Peay Governors
21: Nicholls State Colonels
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Houston Baptist Huskies
24: Samford Bulldogs
25: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles

Bisonator

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: UC Davis Aggies
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Professor Chaos]

Have you watched us play?

Did you watch the game Saturday?

We looked like GARBAGE.

We could have gotten beat by PeeWee Middle School JV or Alabama. We still looked terrible.

Just because the team that stood on our throat is ranked means exactly nothing. We got S-L-A-U-G-H-T-E-R-E-D
I watched most of the JSU/EWU game. I didn't turn the Austin Peay game on until it was 45-14 so I just saw a bit of garbage time (when JSU looked pretty decent xlolx).

Like I said I'm not proud of still having them in my top 25 but I felt like if I put EWU back in I should probably keep JSU in. It's completely possible I'm too high on both and neither should be in but it's pretty tough to have one without the other right now.

[JSUSoutherner]

I watched most of the JSU/EWU game. I didn't turn the Austin Peay game on until it was 45-14 so I just saw a bit of garbage time (when JSU looked pretty decent xlolx).

Like I said I'm not proud of still having them in my top 25 but I felt like if I put EWU back in I should probably keep JSU back in. It's completely possible I'm too high on both.
You are.

I don't have EWU ranked either. They aren't even on my radar.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Villanova Wildcats
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Illinois State Redbirds
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Towson Tigers
9: Furman Paladins
10: Princeton Tigers
11: Northern Iowa Panthers
12: Montana Grizzlies
13: Kennesaw State Owls
14: UC Davis Aggies
15: Central Arkansas Bears
16: North Carolina A&T Aggies
17: Youngstown State Penguins
18: Nicholls State Colonels
19: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
20: Yale Bulldogs
21: Stony Brook Seawolves
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Southern Illinois Salukis
24: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
25: Dartmouth Big Green

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: Maine Black Bears
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I watched most of the JSU/EWU game. I didn't turn the Austin Peay game on until it was 45-14 so I just saw a bit of garbage time (when JSU looked pretty decent xlolx).

Like I said I'm not proud of still having them in my top 25 but I felt like if I put EWU back in I should probably keep JSU in. It's completely possible I'm too high on both and neither should be in but it's pretty tough to have one without the other right now.

What are your thoughts on Houston Baptist PC?

[Professor Chaos]

What are your thoughts on Houston Baptist PC?
I mentioned them in the "How they fared" thread. I think they're deserving of consideration. They're amongst 17 other teams on my outside the top 25 watch list but I'd like to see them beat a team with a pulse before putting them in my poll ballot. That said I wouldn't fault anyone for putting them in the #23-#25 range either. There's not a lot of real deserving teams for those spots anyway IMO.

Their turnaround this season is a great story regardless.

[JSUSoutherner]

What are your thoughts on Houston Baptist PC?

I'm not PC, but I have HBU at 24.

If you put their previous seasons in a box and take this season in a vaccum, HBU is having themselves a solid season.

[Outsider1]

HBU is having a good season. They are on my radar, but want to see more. For now, I am leaving UIW, Lamar and HBU out from my home SLC. If HBU does what UIW did last year, then I will be really impressed. I want to see more defense though. They have been doing well recruiting the last couple of years and the coaches are beginning to capitalize on that. All of our teams need more conference play.

[JSUSoutherner]

24: Jacksonville State Gamecocks

Wrong.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I'm not PC, but I have HBU at 24.

If you put their previous seasons in a box and take this season in a vaccum, HBU is having themselves a solid season.
Yes, like PC mentioned it is always a good story and I always like when a new team comes in and gains some traction or a formerly very bad team does it.

[caribbeanhen]

Alright...
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Who voted for Jacksonville State?

Dartmouth would curb stomp Jacksonville Stare

[MSUBobcat]

Currently, 2 of the 6 people who have posted their polls have the Bobcats above Weber State and I'm curious to know the reasoning. Yes BBQ is 2-2 and MSU is 4-1. All losses of the 2 were to FBS, but Weber clearly had better performances losing the 2 games by a combined 12 points. Combined with the win over (at the time) #5 UNI being better than any win for the Bobcats (especially with controlling the game from start to finish), I'd probably have both in the top 10 but I'd put Weber above us (UM also given the resumes as they currently stand).

[Daytripper]

Currently, 2 of the 6 people who have posted their polls have the Bobcats above Weber State and I'm curious to know the reasoning. Yes BBQ is 2-2 and MSU is 4-1. All losses of the 2 were to FBS, but Weber clearly had better performances losing the 2 games by a combined 12 points. Combined with the win over (at the time) #5 UNI being better than any win for the Bobcats (especially with controlling the game from start to finish), I'd probably have both in the top 10 but I'd put Weber above us (UM also given the resumes as they currently stand).

I think Weber has a legit claim to the #2 spot.

[Derby City Duke]

Hello Derby City Duke,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/29/2019 20:06:27

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: James Madison Dukes
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: Montana State Bobcats
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Northern Iowa Panthers
9: Nicholls State Colonels
10: Furman Paladins
11: Central Arkansas Bears
12: UC Davis Aggies
13: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
14: Towson Tigers
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Kennesaw State Owls
17: North Carolina A&T Aggies
18: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
19: Youngstown State Penguins
20: Austin Peay Governors
21: Stony Brook Seawolves
22: Princeton Tigers
23: Yale Bulldogs
24: Eastern Washington Eagles
25: Houston Baptist Huskies

Derby City Duke

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: Jacksonville State Gamecocks

Thought about swapping SDSU and JMU but in the end did not do that.

Am I too bullish on Nicholls and UCA? Maybe, but I'm comfortable with their placement

I really liked APSU's run game against JSU -- thought JSU gave up on the run (then the game) WAY too early

xtwocentsx

[Professor Chaos]

Currently, 2 of the 6 people who have posted their polls have the Bobcats above Weber State and I'm curious to know the reasoning. Yes BBQ is 2-2 and MSU is 4-1. All losses of the 2 were to FBS, but Weber clearly had better performances losing the 2 games by a combined 12 points. Combined with the win over (at the time) #5 UNI being better than any win for the Bobcats (especially with controlling the game from start to finish), I'd probably have both in the top 10 but I'd put Weber above us (UM also given the resumes as they currently stand).
I feel like some are giving Montana St a lot more credit for the SEMO win than I am. We'll see how that plays out but I think that's a pretty shaky signature win to declare on a top 10 (or top 5 in some cases) resume. I don't even have SEMO included in my poll but there are plenty that do it seems. They'll get a chance to show their stuff this week against a revitalized Tennessee Tech team and the follow it up with games at Austin Peay and Jacksonville St so we'll find out quick how good of a win that SEMO win was.

[Mayville Bison]

Rank
Team
Last Week


1
North Dakota State
1


2
James Madison
2


3
South Dakota State
3


4
Weber State
5


5
Villanova
9


6
Montana
10


7
Montana State
6


8
Northern Iowa
7


9
UC Davis
4


10
Furman
8


11
Towson
11


12
Central Arkansas
14


13
Nicholls State
13


14
SE Louisiana
15


15
Illinois State
16


16
NC A&T
17


17
Youngstown State
18


18
Kennesaw State
20


19
Maine
12


20
Delaware
23


21
Stony Brook
NR



22
Sacramento State
NR



23
Central Connecticut
24



24
Houston Baptist
NR



25
Austin Peay
NR





Dropped JSU (19), UND (25), Elon (22), and The Citadel (21)

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Wrong.

I still hedge my bets that when it's all said and done JSU will be in the 15-25 range. EWU I think might go on a run given their schedule. They'll work their way back in with strong performance this weekend. Maine is really the only team that has stumbled out of the blocks that I feel might not turn it around.

[BEAR]

Hello Derby City Duke,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/29/2019 20:06:27

Your vote is listed below.


9: Nicholls State Colonels

11: Central Arkansas Bears




Am I too bullish on Nicholls and UCA? Maybe, but I'm comfortable with their placement

I really liked APSU's run game against JSU -- thought JSU gave up on the run (then the game) WAY too early

xtwocentsx

Nicholls State:
vs. Kansas State: Loss by 35. As expected.
vs. PV A&M: Won by 7. I really thought they would have won by much more.
vs. SFA: Won by 18. Acceptable against a very bad SFA team.
vs. Texas State: Lost by 21. This game should not only have been close but Nicholls really should have had enough to win it.
2-2 overall.

At 186 YPG rushing and 167 YPG receiving..they are in trouble if they get their running game shut down. Though a balance like that tends to win a few more games than they lose.

[OhioHen]

Only one team in the AGS Top 40 (Idaho State) that wasn't in my Top 40 (Cal Poly). Was THIIIIISSSS close to a first-time-for-everything moment.

[MSUBobcat]

I feel like some are giving Montana St a lot more credit for the SEMO win than I am. We'll see how that plays out but I think that's a pretty shaky signature win to declare on a top 10 (or top 5 in some cases) resume. I don't even have SEMO included in my poll but there are plenty that do it seems. They'll get a chance to show their stuff this week against a revitalized Tennessee Tech team and the follow it up with games at Austin Peay and Jacksonville St so we'll find out quick how good of a win that SEMO win was.

I would agree on SEMO for the 2 people that put us above Weber, as that had to factor in with their placement. UNI is athe better win for sure. I think our top 10 placement is due more to being one of a small group with 4 or more D-I wins (also no FCS losses). As of today, where you put them in your own poll (#8) seems appropriate. I also wouldn't argue having both Weber and Montana ahead of us in the top 10. This week probably won't tell us much about the pecking order of the Big Sky either, except perhaps the EWU-Sac State game, although there were 2 or 3 surprises last weekend.

[Derby City Duke]

Nicholls State:
vs. Kansas State: Loss by 35. As expected.
vs. PV A&M: Won by 7. I really thought they would have won by much more.
vs. SFA: Won by 18. Acceptable against a very bad SFA team.
vs. Texas State: Lost by 21. This game should not only have been close but Nicholls really should have had enough to win it.
2-2 overall.

At 186 YPG rushing and 167 YPG receiving..they are in trouble if they get their running game shut down. Though a balance like that tends to win a few more games than they lose.

I actually moved them down from #7 after the Texas State game -- Everett Withers left a burning tire/dumpster fire combo when they fired him. Still think their upside is as good as UCA's -- anxious to see them in conference play.

[Mayville Bison]

Only one team in the AGS Top 40 (Idaho State) that wasn't in my Top 40 (Cal Poly). Was THIIIIISSSS close to a first-time-for-everything moment.

Can you explain the votes for SC State for me, please? I just don't get it at all.

Game 1: They did surprise most people the first week of the season at home against Wofford
Game 2: Shut out D2 Lane
Game 3: Lost by 39 to USF which is USF's only win so far on the year.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Here it is with a few additional thoughts:


Should Dartmouth be getting a bit more consideration (perhaps over Princeton)? My thought process was that they beat Colgate arguably more convincingly and held them to less points than either Villanova or Maine did (with more games under Colgate's belt). Princeton did beat Bucknell by a similar point margin to Villanova, but Princeton gave up the most points to Bucknell in any of their games thus far. I just am not convinced that Princeton is that much better than Dartmouth and decided to give the Big Green some credit.
Tennessee Tech appears to be flying under the radar. Austin Peay is the sexy pick due to their destruction of Jacksonville State. However, if Jacksonville State is not very good (as some of their fans on this board have claimed), then this really should not be enough to overlook the fact that the Governors lost to East Tennessee State just one week prior (and that ETSU had just lost to VMI one week prior to that). It is hard to argue that ETSU is a great win (or loss in the case of Austin Peay), if you also argue that VMI is trash (which was argued as a reason for ETSU to not be considered in a GOTW). This (ETSU) is also the reason I did not move Furman.
Samford appears to be decent, despite opening losses to Youngstown State and Tennessee Tech. Had to give Samford credit for beating The Citadel, which I might remind you beat a P5 team and only lost to Towson and Elon by one score also.
Houston Baptist is on my list after watching Southeast Louisiana play Northwestern State this past weekend (17-17 at the half). The fact that HBU took care of Northwestern State in a comparable (or better fashion) than the Lions did earned stock for me, despite the fact that their last two victories were against teams a combined 0-7 (0-9 after playing them).
Notice, I am only arguing the bottom 5-6 teams. Just wanted to make small cases for teams I feel are in the Top 25, yet overall are just missing that cut. However, I am pretty impressed at the agreement by voters on most of the Top 15.

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Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/29/2019 10:06:34

Your vote is listed below (previous rank in parentheses).

1: North Dakota State Bison (1)
2: James Madison Dukes (2)
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits (3)
4: Weber State Wildcats (5)
5: Villanova Wildcats (7)
6: Montana State Bobcats (15)
7: Montana Grizzlies (19)
8: Furman Paladins (8)
9: Southeastern Louisiana Lions (9)
10: UC Davis Aggies (4)
11: Northern Iowa Panthers (6)
12: Illinois State Redbirds (10)
13: Towson Tigers (11)
14: Central Arkansas Bears (12)
15: Maine Black Bears (14)
16: North Carolina A&T Aggies (16)
17: Kennesaw State Owls (17)
18: Youngstown State Penguins (20)
19: Dartmouth Big Green (NR)
20: Nicholls State Colonels (NR)
21: Eastern Washington Eagles (24)
22: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles (NR)
23: Samford Bulldogs (NR)
24: Houston Baptist Huskies (NR)
25: Elon Phoenix (18)

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: Idaho Vandals
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Dropped from poll: Jacksonville State Gamecocks (13), The Citadel Bulldogs (21), Indiana State Sycamores (22), Idaho Vandals (23), Abilene Christian Wildcats (25)

[BEAR]

I actually moved them down from #7 after the Texas State game -- Everett Withers left a burning tire/dumpster fire combo when they fired him. Still think their upside is as good as UCA's -- anxious to see them in conference play.

Yeah they do have an up side. But their schedule was not as strong as UCA's so far.

UCA played Hawaii, WKU, APSU, and ACU.
Nich played Kansas State, PV A&M, SFA, and Texas State.

Disregarding all the FBS games it's PV A&M and SFA vs. Austin Peay and ACU.

Add in the FBS games and UCA won one of theirs.

Slight edge to my Bears. xlolx

[mvemjsunpx]

(previous week in parentheses)


1. South Dakota St. (1)
2. James Madison (2)
3. North Dakota St. (3)
4. Weber St. (5)
5. Central Arkansas (7)
6. Villanova (8)
7. Towson (9)
8. Montana St. (10)
9. Illinois St. (11)
10. Kennesaw St. (12)
11. Southeastern Louisiana (13)
12. Montana (NR)
13. Northern Iowa (6)
14. Furman (14)
15. UC Davis (4)
16. North Carolina A&T (21)
17. Nicholls St. (15)
18. Yale (18)
19. Delaware (23)
20. Indiana St. (24)
21. Southeast Missouri St. (25)
22. Youngstown St. (NR)
23. Dartmouth (NR)
24. Princeton (NR)
25. Sacramento St. (NR)

W - Montana
L - Jacksonville St.


Dropped - Jacksonville St. (16), Maine (17), North Dakota (19), Abilene Christian (20), Elon (22)

[NDSU1980]

Here's what I did. Looks like I game Dartmouth and Yale more credit than most people did. And I give Ursus full permission to dope slap me for putting in a space on my user name where it didn't belong. It's amazing how some people can screw up the little things.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Northern Iowa Panthers
9: UC Davis Aggies
10: Furman Paladins
11: Towson Tigers
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Youngstown State Penguins
15: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
16: Kennesaw State Owls
17: Maine Black Bears
18: Nicholls State Colonels
19: Dartmouth Big Green
20: North Carolina A&T Aggies
21: Eastern Washington Eagles
22: Princeton Tigers
23: Elon Phoenix
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: Yale Bulldogs

NDSU 1980

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[JSUSoutherner]

Here it is with a few additional thoughts:


Should Dartmouth be getting a bit more consideration (perhaps over Princeton)? My thought process was that they beat Colgate arguably more convincingly and held them to less points than either Villanova or Maine did (with more games under Colgate's belt). Princeton did beat Bucknell by a similar point margin to Villanova, but Princeton gave up the most points to Bucknell in any of their games thus far. I just am not convinced that Princeton is that much better than Dartmouth and decided to give the Big Green some credit.
Tennessee Tech appears to be flying under the radar. Austin Peay is the sexy pick due to their destruction of Jacksonville State. However, if Jacksonville State is not very good (as some of their fans on this board have claimed), then this really should not be enough to overlook the fact that the Governors lost to East Tennessee State just one week prior (and that ETSU had just lost to VMI one week prior to that). It is hard to argue that ETSU is a great win (or loss in the case of Austin Peay), if you also argue that VMI is trash (which was argued as a reason for ETSU to not be considered in a GOTW). This (ETSU) is also the reason I did not move Furman.
Samford appears to be decent, despite opening losses to Youngstown State and Tennessee Tech. Had to give Samford credit for beating The Citadel, which I might remind you beat a P5 team and only lost to Towson and Elon by one score also.
Houston Baptist is on my list after watching Southeast Louisiana play Northwestern State this past weekend (17-17 at the half). The fact that HBU took care of Northwestern State in a comparable (or better fashion) than the Lions did earned stock for me, despite the fact that their last two victories were against teams a combined 0-7 (0-9 after playing them).
Notice, I am only arguing the bottom 5-6 teams. Just wanted to make small cases for teams I feel are in the Top 25, yet overall are just missing that cut. However, I am pretty impressed at the agreement by voters on most of the Top 15.

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Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/29/2019 10:06:34

Your vote is listed below (previous rank in parentheses).

1: North Dakota State Bison (1)
2: James Madison Dukes (2)
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits (3)
4: Weber State Wildcats (5)
5: Villanova Wildcats (7)
6: Montana State Bobcats (15)
7: Montana Grizzlies (19)
8: Furman Paladins (8)
9: Southeastern Louisiana Lions (9)
10: UC Davis Aggies (4)
11: Northern Iowa Panthers (6)
12: Illinois State Redbirds (10)
13: Towson Tigers (11)
14: Central Arkansas Bears (12)
15: Maine Black Bears (14)
16: North Carolina A&T Aggies (16)
17: Kennesaw State Owls (17)
18: Youngstown State Penguins (20)
19: Dartmouth Big Green (NR)
20: Nicholls State Colonels (NR)
21: Eastern Washington Eagles (24)
22: Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles (NR)
23: Samford Bulldogs (NR)
24: Houston Baptist Huskies (NR)
25: Elon Phoenix (18)

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: Idaho Vandals
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Dropped from poll: Jacksonville State Gamecocks (13), The Citadel Bulldogs (21), Indiana State Sycamores (22), Idaho Vandals (23), Abilene Christian Wildcats (25)

To be fair to Peay, I honestly think ETSU caught them looking ahead to us.

I don't think ETSU is as bad as their VMI loss. Austin Peay is the real deal. They run the ball and play good defense. If they keep it together and make the playoffs I could see them winning a game or two.

Just ask UCA how good Austin Peay is.

[BlueGoldAg]

I think the most significant loss was UC Davis.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Here's what I did. Looks like I game Dartmouth and Yale more credit than most people did. And I give Ursus full permission to dope slap me for putting in a space on my user name where it didn't belong. It's amazing how some people can screw up the little things.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
3: Weber State Wildcats
4: James Madison Dukes
5: Montana Grizzlies
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Northern Iowa Panthers
9: UC Davis Aggies
10: Furman Paladins
11: Towson Tigers
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Youngstown State Penguins
15: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
16: Kennesaw State Owls
17: Maine Black Bears
18: Nicholls State Colonels
19: Dartmouth Big Green
20: North Carolina A&T Aggies
21: Eastern Washington Eagles
22: Princeton Tigers
23: Elon Phoenix
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: Yale Bulldogs

NDSU 1980

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

xlolx

Dad always said "You can at least get your name right on the test so don't screw that up".

[McCowboys]

xlolx

Dad always said "You can at least get your name right on the test so don't screw that up".

xlolxxlolxxlolx

[RabidRabbit]

UC-Davis appears torched over losing in their post-NDSU near win. As a team that plays NDSU a lot, there is a frequent hang-over impact in the next game. Hopefully, UC-Davis will get it back together for a decent run forward. Peay totally dominated JSU. 'Cocks looked totally limp, and Peay hosed them down good. The Samford/Citadel game was a slugfest/coin flip. Really can't vote for one without voting for the other in near proximity. Dukes extinguished Phoenix. Doubt we'll see ELON flame up enough to make play-offs. If YSU can go .500 in MVFC play, bet you'll see then in the post-season.

[TheKingpin28]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Villanova Wildcats
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: UC Davis Aggies
9: Northern Iowa Panthers
10: Towson Tigers
11: Furman Paladins
12: Kennesaw State Owls
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: Nicholls State Colonels
16: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
17: Youngstown State Penguins
18: Austin Peay Governors
19: North Carolina A&T Aggies
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Stony Brook Seawolves
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
24: Princeton Tigers
25: The Citadel Bulldogs


Notes
-I guess I am a little higher on UCD and APSU
-I guess I am a little low on UCA
-If someone wants to pick and choose about #22, 23, and 25, I am fine with that as I struggled with teams in those low 20s.

[NDSU1980]

xlolx

Dad always said "You can at least get your name right on the test so don't screw that up".

You mean the poll is a test? Hey, I thought there wouldn't be any math when I signed up for this. :)

[JSUSoutherner]

23: Jacksonville State Gamecocks


Wrong.

[gofurman]

To be fair to Peay, I honestly think ETSU caught them looking ahead to us.

I don't think ETSU is as bad as their VMI loss. Austin Peay is the real deal. They run the ball and play good defense. If they keep it together and make the playoffs I could see them winning a game or two.

Just ask UCA how good Austin Peay is.

If Peay was looking ahead to JSU that is their own fault and it counts as much as any other game. You want to try to win your conference but if not, get an at-large.. I have no sympathy for the "we were looking ahead' claims. it ain't baseball with 162 games. if you can't get up for only 11 games then you don't deserve anything. Not saying you win all 11 - not at all. But if you can't get pumped for just 11 games after all spring and fall practice and weight lifting I have NO sympathy for 'em. Think of those hundreds of hours of practice. 100s! and for a team to come and 'look ahead'. no excuse for that

Furman > ETSU > APy

despite my SoCon leanings I am serious about the 'looking ahead' stuff. If someone says Furman lost because we were 'looking ahead' we deserve to lose and it counts as much as any other loss. Injuries I will listen to like if you guys lost Cooper at QB and were on QB 3 etc.. etc.. that kills FCS teams as the depth isn't the same as FBS. but looking ahead? NO ONE should do that

[TheKingpin28]

Wrong.

wrong

[Derby City Duke]

Yeah they do have an up side. But their schedule was not as strong as UCA's so far.

UCA played Hawaii, WKU, APSU, and ACU.
Nich played Kansas State, PV A&M, SFA, and Texas State.

Disregarding all the FBS games it's PV A&M and SFA vs. Austin Peay and ACU.

Add in the FBS games and UCA won one of theirs.

Slight edge to my Bears. xlolx

I can see that and swapping their slots would not be unreasonable. Will see how it plays out this weekend! Thanks for your perspective.

[JSUSoutherner]

If Peay was looking ahead to JSU that is their own fault and it counts as much as any other game. You want to try to win your conference but if not, get an at-large.. I have no sympathy for the "we were looking ahead' claims. it ain't baseball with 162 games. if you can't get up for only 11 games then you don't deserve anything. Not saying you win all 11 - not at all. But if you can't get pumped for just 11 games after all spring and fall practice and weight lifting I have NO sympathy for 'em. Think of those hundreds of hours of practice. 100s! and for a team to come and 'look ahead'. no excuse for that

Furman > ETSU > APy

despite my SoCon leanings I am serious about the 'looking ahead' stuff. If someone says Furman lost because we were 'looking ahead' we deserve to lose and it counts as much as any other loss. Injuries I will listen to like if you guys lost Cooper at QB and were on QB 3 etc.. etc.. that kills FCS teams as the depth isn't the same as FBS. but looking ahead? NO ONE should do that

I love how no one was talking about Furman...


Yet here you are.

[Katfan]

What are your thoughts on Houston Baptist PC?
Where do you have South Dakota ranked they basically played even with no defense by either. Let’s see how they do in the Southland probably 4th or 5th

[dewey]

Currently, 2 of the 6 people who have posted their polls have the Bobcats above Weber State and I'm curious to know the reasoning. Yes BBQ is 2-2 and MSU is 4-1. All losses of the 2 were to FBS, but Weber clearly had better performances losing the 2 games by a combined 12 points. Combined with the win over (at the time) #5 UNI being better than any win for the Bobcats (especially with controlling the game from start to finish), I'd probably have both in the top 10 but I'd put Weber above us (UM also given the resumes as they currently stand).

I agree. I don't understand the love for MSU. Especially over Weber State.

Dewey

[dewey]

(previous week in parentheses)


1. South Dakota St. (1)
2. James Madison (2)
3. North Dakota St. (3)
4. Weber St. (5)
5. Central Arkansas (7)
6. Villanova (8)
7. Towson (9)
8. Montana St. (10)
9. Illinois St. (11)
10. Kennesaw St. (12)
11. Southeastern Louisiana (13)
12. Montana (NR)
13. Northern Iowa (6)
14. Furman (14)
15. UC Davis (4)
16. North Carolina A&T (21)
17. Nicholls St. (15)
18. Yale (18)
19. Delaware (23)
20. Indiana St. (24)
21. Southeast Missouri St. (25)
22. Youngstown St. (NR)
23. Dartmouth (NR)
24. Princeton (NR)
25. Sacramento St. (NR)

W - Montana
L - Jacksonville St.


Dropped - Jacksonville St. (16), Maine (17), North Dakota (19), Abilene Christian (20), Elon (22)

Indiana State? They lost their starting quarterback for the season and they are 2-2 with a close loss to Kansas, loss to Dayton and wins over Eastern Kentucky and Eastern Illinois.

Just curious what your thoughts are.

Dewey

[dewey]

Here is my top 25. Critique away.

Hello dewey,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/29/2019 20:14:53

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Montana Grizzlies
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Towson Tigers
8: Furman Paladins
9: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
10: Central Arkansas Bears
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: Montana State Bobcats
13: UC Davis Aggies
14: Northern Iowa Panthers
15: Kennesaw State Owls
16: Nicholls State Colonels
17: Austin Peay Governors
18: Youngstown State Penguins
19: Maine Black Bears
20: Stony Brook Seawolves
21: North Carolina A&T Aggies
22: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
23: Eastern Washington Eagles
24: Elon Phoenix
25: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens

dewey

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: The Citadel Bulldogs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Dewey

[Katfan]

I agree. I don't understand the love for MSU. Especially over Weber State.

Dewey
I was thinking the same. I actually think Montana is the one that should be rated higher

[gofurman]

I love how no one was talking about Furman...


Yet here you are.

Sorry about the Furman. I really just mean the 'looking ahead' doesn't fly. 100s of hours of practice and weight lifting and a team cant focus for 11 games? It's' not even basketball with 25+ games. Much less baseball etc. Can't focus for 11 Saturdays - no excuse

[dewey]

I was thinking the same. I actually think Montana is the one that should be rated higher

I 100% agree. Perhaps I am missing something but here is the results for Montana State so far.

For people that have MSU ranked in the top 10 or higher what are your thoughts on the Bobcats?

The SEMO win isn't as good as it seemed.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20191001/1f46a402b64842632a60a3737f258529.jpg


Dewey
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[mvemjsunpx]

Indiana State? They lost their starting quarterback for the season and they are 2-2 with a close loss to Kansas, loss to Dayton and wins over Eastern Kentucky and Eastern Illinois.

Just curious what your thoughts are.

Dewey

Eh, their resume isn't really any worse than the other borderline top-25 teams. The Dayton loss was bad, but the EKU win was pretty good… or, at least, EKU is supposed to be a pretty good team.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Sorry about the Furman. I really just mean the 'looking ahead' doesn't fly. 100s of hours of practice and weight lifting and a team cant focus for 11 games? It's' not even basketball with 25+ games. Much less baseball etc. Can't focus for 11 Saturdays - no excuse
Yet 98% of teams lay at least one egg each year .. they're called trap games or bad days. They happen to everyone.

Furman beating ETSU by 7 at home does not support your case any futher about being a top 8 seed. In fact, it further supports notion you might again be a bubble team this year. The VA Tech quality win doesn't look as good any more. And The GA St game was one a top 8 seed should win.

Yes, winning is important, but more telling are quality wins and quality losses .. as for last week's win, ETSU is 2-3 against the 71st ranked SOS and they lost to 1-3 VMI, who lost to 1-4 Rob Morris ... both currently winless if not for the win cited, and perenially bad teams.

I said exact same thing for my ISUr after we beat EIU 21-3 two weeks ago .. it was a weak win and did not help our case.. In fact, it hurt our resume.

[SU DOG]

Yeah, JSU did look like a D2 or worse team against the Govs. Maybe it should be pointed out, however, that they did basically this very same thing last year. It was NCA&T then SEMO. Then they came back and won enough to make to make the Playoffs. I just wonder if they will be able to do the same this year? Are they not about as good a team? Just curious.

[Mayville Bison]

I 100% agree. Perhaps I am missing something but here is the results for Montana State so far.

For people that have MSU ranked in the top 10 or higher what are your thoughts on the Bobcats?

The SEMO win isn't as good as it seemed.


Dewey
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I have them at 7 in my poll, but behind both Weber and Montana. My thoughts are pretty simple:
- They've beat the teams they were supposed to beat.
- They are undefeated against FCS play.
- They have won impressively at home (NAU game started out iffy, but they rebounded nicely for a 3 score win).
- They went to a tough place (Macomb is not easy to get to) and won by 2 scores.
- Who else is gonna be above them? Furman almost fits that description. UCA's resume got better after APSU beat JSU, but the 1 point home win against ACU kept them out of the top 10 for me.

[MSUBobcat]

Yet 98% of teams lay at least one egg each year .. they're called trap games or bad days. They happen to everyone.

Furman beating ETSU by 7 at home does not support your case any futher about being a top 8 seed. In fact, it further supports notion you might again be a bubble team this year. The VA Tech quality win doesn't look as good any more. And The GA St game was one a top 8 seed should win.

Yes, winning is important, but more telling are quality wins and quality losses .. as for last week's win, ETSU is 2-3 against the 71st ranked SOS and they lost to 1-3 VMI, who lost to 1-4 Rob Morris ... both currently winless if not for the win cited, and perenially bad teams.

I said exact same thing for my ISUr after we beat EIU 21-3 two weeks ago .. it was a weak win and did not help our case.. In fact, it hurt our resume.

Interesting to me is that this needs to be pointed out on a website literally called.... ANY GIVEN SATURDAY.

[MR. CHICKEN]

If Peay was looking ahead to JSU that is their own fault and it counts as much as any other game. You want to try to win your conference but if not, get an at-large.. I have no sympathy for the "we were looking ahead' claims. it ain't baseball with 162 games. if you can't get up for only 11 games then you don't deserve anything. Not saying you win all 11 - not at all. But if you can't get pumped for just 11 games after all spring and fall practice and weight lifting I have NO sympathy for 'em. Think of those hundreds of hours of practice. 100s! and for a team to come and 'look ahead'. no excuse for that

Furman > ETSU > APy

despite my SoCon leanings I am serious about the 'looking ahead' stuff. If someone says Furman lost because we were 'looking ahead' we deserve to lose and it counts as much as any other loss. Injuries I will listen to like if you guys lost Cooper at QB and were on QB 3 etc.. etc.. that kills FCS teams as the depth isn't the same as FBS. but looking ahead? NO ONE should do that

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[Mike296]

Weird week for me this week:



Hello Mike296,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/29/2019 12:01:58

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: Villanova Wildcats
6: Montana State Bobcats
7: Montana Grizzlies
8: Northern Iowa Panthers
9: Furman Paladins
10: Towson Tigers
11: Kennesaw State Owls
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: UC Davis Aggies
15: Nicholls State Colonels
16: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
17: Youngstown State Penguins
18: North Carolina A&T Aggies
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Austin Peay Governors
21: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
22: Princeton Tigers
23: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
24: Houston Baptist Huskies
25: Idaho State Bengals

Mike296

The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Ohio Valley Conference

[gofurman]

Yet 98% of teams lay at least one egg each year .. they're called trap games or bad days. They happen to everyone.

Furman beating ETSU by 7 at home does not support your case any futher about being a top 8 seed. In fact, it further supports notion you might again be a bubble team this year. The VA Tech quality win doesn't look as good any more. And The GA St game was one a top 8 seed should win.

Yes, winning is important, but more telling are quality wins and quality losses .. as for last week's win, ETSU is 2-3 against the 71st ranked SOS and they lost to 1-3 VMI, who lost to 1-4 Rob Morris ... both currently winless if not for the win cited, and perenially bad teams.

I said exact same thing for my ISUr after we beat EIU 21-3 two weeks ago .. it was a weak win and did not help our case.. In fact, it hurt our resume.

True. On the same note ETSU beat AustinP who beat JSU and more than that AustinP May be class of OVC.

So maybe Furman beating ETSU is a good win. Hard to,tell. I mean you have to factor in the one thing I always allow for. INJURIES. ETSU was missing 2 of their best 4 D players when they lost to VMI. And they were still out vs Austin Peay yet the OVC list that one. Then these two guys finally get back v Furman (one May play on Sunday). That is a different ETSU D we played.

Anyway, Wofford May beat ETSU but I bet it’s low scoring now

[gofurman]

Interesting to me is that this needs to be pointed out on a website literally called.... ANY GIVEN SATURDAY.

Good point. Lol. Respect every opponent

[The Yo Show]

Hello The Yo Show,


We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/30/2019 4:41:03


Your vote is listed below.




1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Montana Grizzlies
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Villanova Wildcats
7: Montana State Bobcats
8: Kennesaw State Owls
9: Central Arkansas Bears
10: Northern Iowa Panthers
11: Furman Paladins
12: UC Davis Aggies
13: Illinois State Redbirds
14: Towson Tigers
15: Southeastern Louisiana Lions
16: Nicholls State Colonels
17: Maine Black Bears
18: North Carolina A&T Aggies
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Youngstown State Penguins
21: Elon Phoenix
22: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
23: Austin Peay Governors
24: Houston Baptist Huskies
25: Dartmouth Big Green


The Yo Show


The Most Significant Win: Montana Grizzlies
The Most Significant Loss: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[FUGameBreaker]

Good point. Lol. Respect every opponent



That's what coach is paid to do, you telling me we have to do it for free :p

[Professor Chaos]

Didn't realize this earlier but I thought it's worth pointing out that this is Austin Peay's first ever appearance in the AGS top 25.

[FUGameBreaker]

Didn't realize this earlier but I thought it's worth pointing out that this is Austin Peay's first ever appearance in the AGS top 25.

Congrats
Makes that tight FU win vs. ETSU (who beat Peay) look just a bit better

[BEAR]

Congrats
Makes that tight FU win vs. ETSU (who beat Peay) look just a bit better

Makes the UCA w. vs APSU look better also....:D

[Catbooster]

Didn't realize this earlier but I thought it's worth pointing out that this is Austin Peay's first ever appearance in the AGS top 25.
Congrat, Austin-Peay! xthumbsupx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Didn't realize this earlier but I thought it's worth pointing out that this is Austin Peay's first ever appearance in the AGS top 25.

That's cool for AP. Good job too that the voters recognized their legit nature at this time.

[cx500d]

Didn't realize this earlier but I thought it's worth pointing out that this is Austin Peay's first ever appearance in the AGS top 25.

They weren’t in the top 25 when they were “robbed” of a post season Appearance?


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[Redbird 4th & short]

True. On the same note ETSU beat AustinP who beat JSU and more than that AustinP May be class of OVC.

So maybe Furman beating ETSU is a good win. Hard to,tell. I mean you have to factor in the one thing I always allow for. INJURIES. ETSU was missing 2 of their best 4 D players when they lost to VMI. And they were still out vs Austin Peay yet the OVC list that one. Then these two guys finally get back v Furman (one May play on Sunday). That is a different ETSU D we played.

Anyway, Wofford May beat ETSU but I bet it’s low scoring now

as is usally the case, the answer is probably somewhere in the middle .. but it sure feels like ETSU is closer to bottom than top. ETSU had the weakest 7 wins I've ever seen in FCS just last year ... by weakest I'm referring to FCS teams playing in the non-1 bid conferences.

[Professor Chaos]

They weren’t in the top 25 when they were “robbed” of a post season Appearance?


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Nope, in 2017 the highest they got was 28th (3rd in the ORV) in the week 12 (Selection Sunday) poll. That would've put them as the 4th best team out of the playoffs according to AGS. They actually got closer this year getting to 27th in week 3 but then they fell off completely after losing to ETSU only to vault back up after dismantling JSU.

[gofurman]

as is usally the case, the answer is probably somewhere in the middle .. but it sure feels like ETSU is closer to bottom than top. ETSU had the weakest 7 wins I've ever seen in FCS just last year ... by weakest I'm referring to FCS teams playing in the non-1 bid conferences.

I don't deny that. 6 wins by 16 points total was astounding. they beat VMI by 3.. Furman by 2 (who would later beat VMI by 30+ or something), Chatt by 3.. Citadel by 3 , Western by 2 in OT, Mercer by 3... this was one case where a 'win is a win is a win' BUT maybe... it just didnt' make any sense. I have trouble thinking of another team eeking out so many wins in such a weird fashion. I agree

Redbird, I also agree the answer to most questions is in the middle. You aren't as good as you think you are when you win. you aren't as bad as you think you are when you lose

[Redbird 4th & short]

I don't deny that. 6 wins by 16 points total was astounding. they beat VMI by 3.. Furman by 2 (who would later beat VMI by 30+ or something), Chatt by 3.. Citadel by 3 , Western by 2 in OT, Mercer by 3... this was one case where a 'win is a win is a win' BUT maybe... it just didnt' make any sense. I have trouble thinking of another team eeking out so many wins in such a weird fashion. I agree

Redbird, I also agree the answer to most questions is in the middle. You aren't as good as you think you are when you win. you aren't as bad as you think you are when you lose
right, but good teams put away almost all bad teams. Again, my ISUr beat EIU by 18 2 weeks ago .. more than the combined margin on the 6 ETSU games last year. And at the time I said EIU was a weak win, not a quality win ... and so it should have hurt our case for moving up in rankings because we should have won by more than 3 TDs, certainly 4 TDs would have been more appropriate margin for a top 15 team playing EIU .. even on road as it was.

FYI, our QB threw for 31 yards that game (11 passes) against EIU .. a week later, he threw for 415 yards (33 passes) against NAU.

[Prime Power]

I 100% agree. Perhaps I am missing something but here is the results for Montana State so far.

For people that have MSU ranked in the top 10 or higher what are your thoughts on the Bobcats?

The SEMO win isn't as good as it seemed.

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Dewey
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Why isn't the SEMO win as good as it seemed? MSU is 4-1, undefeated against FCS. Their wins haven't really been that close. They were in the playoffs last year and returned something like 18 starters. I was kind of shocked that went down 21-0 to NAU, but then they kicked the snot out of them the rest of the game. I seem to remember NDSU going down 14-0 to UNI last year and still went undefeated. Just from watching them play, I think they are a legit contender.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Why isn't the SEMO win as good as it seemed? MSU is 4-1, undefeated against FCS. Their wins haven't really been that close. They were in the playoffs last year and returned something like 18 starters. I was kind of shocked that went down 21-0 to NAU, but then they kicked the snot out of them the rest of the game. I seem to remember NDSU going down 14-0 to UNI last year and still went undefeated. Just from watching them play, I think they are a legit contender.

I'm with you! I think MSU is a legit contender. I never bought in during the Ash years. This new version of the Bobcats seems like they're able to step up and take care of business. 98% of FCS wants no part of going into Bozeman in December and trying to win.

[MSUBobcat]

I'm with you! I think MSU is a legit contender. I never bought in during the Ash years. This new version of the Bobcats seems like they're able to step up and take care of business. 98% of FCS wants no part of going into Bozeman in December and trying to win.

Ash wasn't aware there is more to the game of football than offense. I'm pretty sure he sent out 8 fans from the stands out on defense.

[Grizalltheway]

I'm with you! I think MSU is a legit contender. I never bought in during the Ash years. This new version of the Bobcats seems like they're able to step up and take care of business. 98% of FCS wants no part of going into Bozeman in December and trying to win.
Good thing we get to do it in November. :D

[MSUBobcat]

Good thing we get to do it in November. :D

Unfortunately, no matter how much we bid, we don't get to play at home in December without a seed. 1st round for sure though.

[Catbooster]

I 100% agree. Perhaps I am missing something but here is the results for Montana State so far.

For people that have MSU ranked in the top 10 or higher what are your thoughts on the Bobcats?

The SEMO win isn't as good as it seemed.


Dewey
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I don't think Montana State's SOS or wins are that different from a number of other teams ranked in the same range. I'm not going to compare and contrast everyone's wins, but I think there are a number of teams you could ask that about.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Unfortunately, no matter how much we bid, we don't get to play at home in December without a seed. 1st round for sure though.

MSU has a great opportunity to get a seed!

[MSUBobcat]

MSU has a great opportunity to get a seed!

WHOA, WHOA, WHOA! Pump the breaks, pal! Let's just get by Poly for now!

[gofurman]

WHOA, WHOA, WHOA! Pump the breaks, pal! Let's just get by Poly for now!

same w me for Furman. I am fully prepared to lose to Samford and aim for 8-4 or 9-3 and playoffs (which is likely we are 0-2 vs Sam and 2-0 vs Citadel -it's a matchup thing). some of us Furman fans are very fair and logical

[ST_Lawson]

WHOA, WHOA, WHOA! Pump the breaks, pal! Let's just get by Poly for now!

Nope...time to buy your plane tickets to Frisco. Go all in.

[MSUBobcat]

Nope...time to buy your plane tickets to Frisco. Go all in.

If we had any semblance of a QB, I'd book it...

[ST_Lawson]

If we had any semblance of a QB, I'd book it...

Did you guys accidentally leave him in Macomb? I can look around the office for him if you want.

[gofurman]

If we had any semblance of a QB, I'd book it...

MSU and I are on the same page w karma etc. He even told me he was impressed Furman got to playoffs in 2017 in v first year of new coach (coming off a 3-8 2016 campaign that Hendrix inherited!) as it took the MSU coach 3 years to get in playoffs which is great as it is all about trajectory long-term. LONG TERM is all that matters as football is a tough sport to change in a year or two.

[Redbird 4th & short]

If we had any semblance of a QB, I'd book it...


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[MSUBobcat]

Did you guys accidentally leave him in Macomb? I can look around the office for him if you want.

You mean the kid who was 16 of 30 for 149 yards and no TD? Yeah, we left him there. But not accidentally. I kid, I kid. Bauman was acceptable as a game manager. He'll get ya 150 yards, no TD but no INT either. Rovig looked good against Norfolk State (not the best measuring stick) and then stunk last week against NAU.

If we had someone who could reliably complete 60% of his passes, we'd be a strong contender for the Big Sky championship and a seed. What's amazing to me is how we rack up 340 yards in a game when the defense KNOWS what's coming. What's flabbergasting to me is that we can't use the fact that we run the ball 80% of the time to sneak in some play-action passes. I'm thinking the receivers are harboring some Adam Thielen-type sentiments toward the QB position....