2019 Team Name List - Need Input

[ursus arctos horribilis]

So here we are again, time to tighten up our list and make sure all is in order by checking in with you experts in the field and see if I have all changes correct.

Big Sky
Cal Poly Mustangs
Eastern Washington Eagles
Idaho State Bengals
Idaho Vandals
Montana Grizzlies
Montana State Bobcats
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
Northern Colorado Bears
Portland State Vikings
Sac State Hornets
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
UC Davis Aggies
Weber State Wildcats

Big South
Campbell Fighting Camels
Charleston Southern Buccaneers
Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
Hampton Pirates
Kennesaw State Owls
Monmouth Hawks
North Alabama Lions
Presbyterian Blue Hose

CAA
Albany Great Danes
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
Elon Phoenix
James Madison Dukes
Maine Black Bears
New Hampshire Wildcats
Rhode Island Rams
Richmond Spiders
Stony Brook Seawolves
Towson Tigers
Villanova Wildcats
William & Mary Tribe

Ivy League
Brown Bears
Columbia Lions
Cornell Big Red
Dartmouth Big Green
Harvard Crimson
Pennsylvania Quakers
Princeton Tigers
Yale Bulldogs

MEAC
Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
Delaware State Hornets
Florida A&M Rattlers
Howard Bison
Morgan State Bears
Norfolk State Spartans
North Carolina A&T Aggies
North Carolina Central Eagles
Savannah State Tigers
South Carolina State Bulldogs

MVFC
Illinois State Redbirds
Indiana State Sycamores
Missouri State Bears
North Dakota State Bison
Northern Iowa Panthers
South Dakota Coyotes
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
Southern Illinois Salukis
Western Illinois Leathernecks
Youngstown State Penguins

NEC
Bryant Bulldogs
Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
Duquesne Dukes
Long Island University Sharks
Merrimack Warriors
Robert Morris Colonials
Sacred Heart Pioneers
Saint Francis Red Flash
Wagner Seahawks

OVC
Austin Peay Governors
Eastern Illinois Panthers
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
Murray State Racers
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
Tennessee State Tigers
Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks

Patriot League
Bucknell Bison
Colgate Raiders
Fordham Rams
Georgetown Hoyas
Holy Cross Crusaders
Lafayette Leopards
Lehigh Mountain Hawks

Pioneer League
Butler Bulldogs
Davidson Wildcats
Dayton Flyers
Drake Bulldogs
Jacksonville Dolphins
Marist Red Foxes
Morehead State Eagles
San Diego Toreros
Stetson Hatters
Valparaiso Crusaders

SoCon
Chattanooga Mocs
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
Furman Paladins
Mercer Bears
Samford Bulldogs
The Citadel Bulldogs
Virginia Military Institute Keydets
Western Carolina Catamounts
Wofford Terriers

Southland
Abilene Christian Wildcats
Central Arkansas Bears
Houston Baptist Huskies
Incarnate Word Cardinals
Lamar Cardinals
McNeese State Cowboys
Nicholls State Colonels
Northwestern State Demons
Sam Houston State Bearkats
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks

SWAC
Alabama A&M Bulldogs
Alabama State Hornets
Alcorn State Braves
Arkansas Pine Bluff Golden Lions
Grambling State Tigers
Jackson State Tigers
Mississippi Valley State Delta Devils
Prairie View A&M Panthers
Southern Jaguars
Texas Southern Tigers


Independent
North Dakota Fighting Hawks -------> To MVFC in 2020

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Additions for the 2019 year will be:
Are there any?
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North Dakota is independent until next season unless someone has other info.
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I am including UNA under the schedules as a Big South member for 2019.

They will not be eligible for the AGS Poll until they are eligible for either their conference title or a national title when they complete their transition which unfortunately is not until 2022 according to their SID.
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Names to be pulled from the list(s) are:

Savannah State Tigers
Anyone else?
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Hampton is also a new member to the Big South for 2019 and have been added to that group.
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Presby is to remain in Big South until 2020 form what I see. Any other opinions on this one let me know.

http://www.pioneer-football.org/news...eague-in-2021/
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So with these issues out there for discussion what else am I missing? Are there any other teams going in or coming out or moving around for either the schedule or the AGS Poll for 2019?

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Teams eligible for 2019 AGS Poll

1 Abilene Christian Wildcats
2 Alabama A&M Bulldogs
3 Alabama State Hornets
4 Albany Great Danes
5 Alcorn State Braves
6 Arkansas Pine Bluff Golden Lions
7 Austin Peay Governors
8 Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
9 Brown Bears
10 Bryant Bulldogs
11 Bucknell Bison
12 Butler Bulldogs
13 Cal Poly Mustangs
14 Campbell Fighting Camels
15 Central Arkansas Bears
16 Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
17 Charleston Southern Buccaneers
18 Chattanooga Mocs
19 Colgate Raiders
20 Columbia Lions
21 Cornell Big Red
22 Dartmouth Big Green
23 Davidson Wildcats
24 Dayton Flyers
25 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
26 Delaware State Hornets
27 Drake Bulldogs
28 Duquesne Dukes
29 East Tennessee State Buccaneers
30 Eastern Illinois Panthers
31 Eastern Kentucky Colonels
32 Eastern Washington Eagles
33 Elon Phoenix
34 Florida A&M Rattlers
35 Fordham Rams
36 Furman Paladins
37 Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
38 Georgetown Hoyas
39 Grambling State Tigers
40 Hampton Pirates
41 Harvard Crimson
42 Holy Cross Crusaders
43 Houston Baptist Huskies
44 Howard Bison
45 Idaho State Bengals
46 Idaho Vandals
47 Illinois State Redbirds
48 Incarnate Word Cardinals
49 Indiana State Sycamores
50 Jackson State Tigers
51 Jacksonville Dolphins
52 Jacksonville State Gamecocks
53 James Madison Dukes
54 Kennesaw State Owls
55 Lafayette Leopards
56 Lamar Cardinals
57 Lehigh Mountain Hawks
58 Long Island University Sharks
59 Maine Black Bears
60 Marist Red Foxes
61 McNeese State Cowboys
62 Mercer Bears
63 Mississippi Valley State Delta Devils
64 Missouri State Bears
65 Monmouth Hawks
66 Montana Grizzlies
67 Montana State Bobcats
68 Morehead State Eagles
69 Morgan State Bears
70 Murray State Racers
71 New Hampshire Wildcats
72 Nicholls State Colonels
73 Norfolk State Spartans
74 North Carolina A&T Aggies
75 North Carolina Central Eagles
76 North Dakota Fighting Hawks
77 North Dakota State Bison
78 Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
79 Northern Colorado Bears
80 Northern Iowa Panthers
81 Northwestern State Demons
82 Pennsylvania Quakers
83 Portland State Vikings
84 Prairie View A&M Panthers
85 Presbyterian Blue Hose
86 Princeton Tigers
87 Rhode Island Rams
88 Richmond Spiders
89 Robert Morris Colonials
90 Sac State Hornets
91 Sacred Heart Pioneers
92 Saint Francis Red Flash
93 Sam Houston State Bearkats
94 Samford Bulldogs
95 San Diego Toreros
96 South Carolina State Bulldogs
97 South Dakota Coyotes
98 South Dakota State Jackrabbits
99 Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
100 Southeastern Louisiana Lions
101 Southern Illinois Salukis
102 Southern Jaguars
103 Southern Utah Thunderbirds
104 Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
105 Stetson Hatters
106 Stony Brook Seawolves
107 Tennessee State Tigers
108 Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
109 Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
110 Texas Southern Tigers
111 The Citadel Bulldogs
112 Towson Tigers
113 UC Davis Aggies
114 Valparaiso Crusaders
115 Villanova Wildcats
116 Virginia Military Institute Keydets
117 Wagner Seahawks
118 Weber State Wildcats
119 Western Carolina Catamounts
120 Western Illinois Leathernecks
121 William & Mary Tribe
122 Wofford Terriers
123 Yale Bulldogs
124 Youngstown State Penguins

[BisonTru]

So UNA is eligible or not?


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[RootinFerDukes]

North Alabama: During its transition to Division I, North Alabama will play a full Big South schedule beginning with the 2019 season, but its games will not count in the standings as the Lions will not be eligible for the Conference Championship or FCS Playoffs until 2022 when UNA receives active full-fledged Division I status.

I get that their games don’t count in the standing and they’re not eligible for the big south autobid but I still don’t see why as long as a team is considered a member of FCS, we can’t vote on them.

Meanwhile, it looks like you forgot Long Island and Merrimack joining the NEC from D2.

We also have Dixie State joining as an FCS independent in 2020. Presbyterian leaves the big south in 2020 and is an independent for one year until joining the pioneer in 2021.

[RootinFerDukes]

Here you go ursus. This summarizes this year’s changes.

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/fcs-football-5-teams-changing-affiliations-2019

I read somewhere that Long Island was immediately playoff eligible since they already have other sports in D1.

[mvemjsunpx]

Here you go ursus. This summarizes this year’s changes.

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/fcs-football-5-teams-changing-affiliations-2019

I read somewhere that Long Island was immediately playoff eligible since they already have other sports in D1.

I'm reading the same thing. It's a weird situation with the LIU merger, though… LIU-Brooklyn was already DI with no football, while LIU-Post was DII with football. So, in other words, LIU-Post gets to move their DII roster up to FCS with no transition period because LIU-Brooklyn was already DI.

Also, they're no longer the Blackbirds or the Pioneers. LIU is now apparently the Sharks.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

North Alabama: During its transition to Division I, North Alabama will play a full Big South schedule beginning with the 2019 season, but its games will not count in the standings as the Lions will not be eligible for the Conference Championship or FCS Playoffs until 2022 when UNA receives active full-fledged Division I status.

I get that their games don’t count in the standing and they’re not eligible for the big south autobid but I still don’t see why as long as a team is considered a member of FCS, we can’t vote on them.

Meanwhile, it looks like you forgot Long Island and Merrimack joining the NEC from D2.

We also have Dixie State joining as an FCS independent in 2020. Presbyterian leaves the big south in 2020 and is an independent for one year until joining the pioneer in 2021.

UNA not eligible for playoffs or conference due to players not being recruited under the same standard as FCS players. I don't remember the differences but as I've said many times if the conference AND the NCAA don't recognize them for post season due to this issue then we follow suit with that. I would be very happy to add them if either of those organizations made them eligible. I'd rather they be in.

I did leave out LIU and Merrimack and remember reading about it but just did not make that note apparently. They are beginning the transition this year correct?

I'm leaving anything 2020 and beyond out of this season's stuff and will address it next season...but I will add it in the notes as a valuable reminder. Thank you for the information. Much appreciated.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Here you go ursus. This summarizes this year’s changes.

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/fcs-football-5-teams-changing-affiliations-2019

I read somewhere that Long Island was immediately playoff eligible since they already have other sports in D1.

It is because of the requirements of D1 vs. D2 membership which have been posted before but would need to look it up again.

[UAalum72]

The Merrimack Warriors will become full league members in 2023-24.

LIU hasn’t revealed their Shark logo yet, but their colors will be blue and gold.

[Professor Chaos]

Not that it's a big deal but I think that Grambling, McNeese, and Nicholls no longer officially include "State" in their names.

[dbackjon]

Not that it's a big deal but I think that Grambling, McNeese, and Nicholls no longer officially include "State" in their names.


For athletics? The Universities still do - just look at their official websites.

[BisonTru]

UNA not eligible for playoffs or conference due to players not being recruited under the same standard as FCS players. I don't remember the differences but as I've said many times if the conference AND the NCAA don't recognize them for post season due to this issue then we follow suit with that. I would be very happy to add them if either of those organizations made them eligible. I'd rather they be in.

I did leave out LIU and Merrimack and remember reading about it but just did not make that note apparently. They are beginning the transition this year correct?

I'm leaving anything 2020 and beyond out of this season's stuff and will address it next season...but I will add it in the notes as a valuable reminder. Thank you for the information. Much appreciated.

I understand they don’t meet the requirements and I’m not sure if we could bend or amend the rules but I think UNA should be considered.

They were a DII powerhouse and it’s quite possible they make some noise before they are eligible for either the conference title or the playoffs, and essentially they are only playing for respect. It would be nice to include them if they seem like a team that warrants top 25 respect.


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[caribbeanhen]

The Merrimack Warriors will become full league members in 2023-24.

LIU hasn’t revealed their Shark logo yet, but their colors will be blue and gold.

why not ?

30894

[Professor Chaos]

For athletics? The Universities still do - just look at their official websites.
Just basing it off all the schedules I see with those schools included. For instance look at SFA's schedule: https://sfajacks.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=242

Been that way for a few years now I think.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I understand they don’t meet the requirements and I’m not sure if we could bend or amend the rules but I think UNA should be considered.

They were a DII powerhouse and it’s quite possible they make some noise before they are eligible for either the conference title or the playoffs, and essentially they are only playing for respect. It would be nice to include them if they seem like a team that warrants top 25 respect.


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I get it man, I do, but wouldn't it also be nice to include them in the playoffs and conference title races? We have this every time a team moves up from or to FCS and I'm not gonna just go back and forth willy nilly depending on the teams.

But, I'm not trying to do things against people's (voters) will either so maybe we have a up or down vote with both cases being stated and see what the poll voters decide?

We did this all way back when Texas State left and the "not in" won then but it wasn't a big vote or issue really.

These were issues already decided but I'm really getting tired of the constant argument over it. Whatever wins this time is it once and for all. I hope that doesn't sound like I'm being a dick cuz you asked a decent question in a very decent manner but it gets a bit frustrating on my end being in the center of it all the time so if don't mean for it to come off bad.xthumbsupx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Just basing it off all the schedules I see with those schools included. For instance look at SFA's schedule: https://sfajacks.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=242

Been that way for a few years now I think.

I will send off a couple emails tomorrow and see if we can find out from them what they want the brand to be. Good to point it out PC because we had a couple of similar changes last season too.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

The Merrimack Warriors will become full league members in 2023-24.

LIU hasn’t revealed their Shark logo yet, but their colors will be blue and gold.

This is why I love coming to you guys and drilling down on these things. I appreciate the info. UAalum72 as I had not looked into the Merrimack thing yet.

For anybody else with information please be advised that I do not care about anything happening that is outside of the time period that begins this year. As the thread title indicates it is for 2019. I do a new one each year so when that new information is about to need implementation then let's put it in at that point to simplify ol' ursus' life if we could.

[JSUSoutherner]

The only problem with not being able to vote for UNA is that UNA has the potential to trash a lot of teams. Heck, they were giving us all we wanted when they were still D2 a few years back. The issue I see is those teams may get beat and get hit hard in the polls because they got stomped by a UNA team with no official status despite being a good team.

Say if UNA beats JSU then puts everyone, including KSU, in the dirt do KSU and JSU deserve to get punished like they lost to an 'unranked' team?

My situation is hypothetical, but it's not out of the question. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the last team to move into the FCS with UNAs amount of accolades NDSU? We all know it took NDSU about 5 seconds to start making noise. UNA has 3 years left apparently.

Am I saying UNA will be great team instantly? No.
Am I saying UNA has the potential to be great? Yes.

Often when we get new teams they are nobodies that aren't a threat to affect the polls. UNA isn't one of those teams.

I know I'm not going to sway your opinion, Ursus. That's fine. Your house, your rules. You said you needed input and this is mine. I'm just stating my own opinion and I hope that the rest of the voters will take North Alabama for how good they actually are when ranking opponents rather than just writing them off as 'another unranked nobody.

TL;DR

Poll Voters: Please rank opponents of UNA based off of how good UNA actually is, not just the fact that they are 'unranked'.

[UAalum72]

why not ?

30894Since they just chose the nickname a couple of weeks ago, I’d guess they had to meet to choose a graphic artist, then form a committee to approve the design. They’re already calling their gym “The Shark Tank.”

The CW Post Athletic Media Relations emailed me that “LIU is immediately eligible for all NCAA postseason competition because we are inheriting Brooklyn's Division I status rather than reclassifying.”

[BisonTru]

The only problem with not being able to vote for UNA is that UNA has the potential to trash a lot of teams. Heck, they were giving us all we wanted when they were still D2 a few years back. The issue I see is those teams may get beat and get hit hard in the polls because they got stomped by a UNA team with no official status despite being a good team.

Say if UNA beats JSU then puts everyone, including KSU, in the dirt do KSU and JSU deserve to get punished like they lost to an 'unranked' team?

My situation is hypothetical, but it's not out of the question. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the last team to move into the FCS with UNAs amount of accolades NDSU? We all know it took NDSU about 5 seconds to start making noise. UNA has 3 years left apparently.

Am I saying UNA will be great team instantly? No.
Am I saying UNA has the potential to be great? Yes.

Often when we get new teams they are nobodies that aren't a threat to affect the polls. UNA isn't one of those teams.

I know I'm not going to sway your opinion, Ursus. That's fine. Your house, your rules. You said you needed input and this is mine. I'm just stating my own opinion and I hope that the rest of the voters will take North Alabama for how good they actually are when ranking opponents rather than just writing them off as 'another unranked nobody.

TL;DR

Poll Voters: Please rank opponents of UNA based off of how good UNA actually is, not just the fact that they are 'unranked'.

I agree with a lot of this. The thing is if we don't have UNA in the poll and their play makes for consideration, it will keep coming up. And ursus and others will have to keep explaining why they aren't in the poll.

You are right NDSU was a team that burst on the scene. I wasn't here back then but I assume we were in the poll as we could win the Great West conference (a non playoff conference). Really I don't think UNA's situation is THAT different. They just can't win the Big South. And as a fan of a team transitioning, I remember those days. Our rank in national polls was really all we could play for. We couldn't be in the playoffs and it's still a ? what we could have done those first few years had we got the chance.

[BisonTru]

I get it man, I do, but wouldn't it also be nice to include them in the playoffs and conference title races? We have this every time a team moves up from or to FCS and I'm not gonna just go back and forth willy nilly depending on the teams.

But, I'm not trying to do things against people's (voters) will either so maybe we have a up or down vote with both cases being stated and see what the poll voters decide?

We did this all way back when Texas State left and the "not in" won then but it wasn't a big vote or issue really.

These were issues already decided but I'm really getting tired of the constant argument over it. Whatever wins this time is it once and for all. I hope that doesn't sound like I'm being a dick cuz you asked a decent question in a very decent manner but it gets a bit frustrating on my end being in the center of it all the time so if don't mean for it to come off bad.xthumbsupx

Oh I completely agree with letting them in the playoffs and eligible for their conference title, but we don't have any control over that. I've never understood why a team moving UP doesn't get consideration immediately.

Here's my proposal:
Teams moving up to FCS - Eligible for the poll immediately providing they have at least 8 D1 games scheduled.
Teams moving down down to FCS - Must be eligible for a conference title or the playoffs
Teams moving up to FBS - Are no longer eligible if they are no longer eligible for the playoffs

Like I started with I don't understand why teams moving up need a transitional period. They are coming from a lower scholarship divison and so they don't have any advantage over the rest of the FCS. Teams moving down or moving up to FBS are either coming from more scholarships or are heading that direction so clearly they could have an unfair advantage over the rest of the FCS.

Also, ursus I think UNA not being in the poll will turn into a pain in the neck if their play warrants consideration. Which I think is quite likely. Their fans, some pollsters, and other fans are going to question why they aren't in the poll. You and others will have to play the broken record of explaining our position.

My two cents on the matter. Hopefully a few more will pipe in as I think this should be a group discussion.

[IBleedYellow]

I agree with a lot of this. The thing is if we don't have UNA in the poll and their play makes for consideration, it will keep coming up. And ursus and others will have to keep explaining why they aren't in the poll.

You are right NDSU was a team that burst on the scene. I wasn't here back then but I assume we were in the poll as we could win the Great West conference (a non playoff conference). Really I don't think UNA's situation is THAT different. They just can't win the Big South. And as a fan of a team transitioning, I remember those days. Our rank in national polls was really all we could play for. We couldn't be in the playoffs and it's still a ? what we could have done those first few years had we got the chance.


NDSU did quite well in the poll because the Great West football conference wasn't playoff eligible, which allowed us into the poll but not playoffs.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

The only problem with not being able to vote for UNA is that UNA has the potential to trash a lot of teams. Heck, they were giving us all we wanted when they were still D2 a few years back. The issue I see is those teams may get beat and get hit hard in the polls because they got stomped by a UNA team with no official status despite being a good team.

Say if UNA beats JSU then puts everyone, including KSU, in the dirt do KSU and JSU deserve to get punished like they lost to an 'unranked' team?

My situation is hypothetical, but it's not out of the question. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the last team to move into the FCS with UNAs amount of accolades NDSU? We all know it took NDSU about 5 seconds to start making noise. UNA has 3 years left apparently.

Am I saying UNA will be great team instantly? No.
Am I saying UNA has the potential to be great? Yes.

Often when we get new teams they are nobodies that aren't a threat to affect the polls. UNA isn't one of those teams.

I know I'm not going to sway your opinion, Ursus. That's fine. Your house, your rules. You said you needed input and this is mine. I'm just stating my own opinion and I hope that the rest of the voters will take North Alabama for how good they actually are when ranking opponents rather than just writing them off as 'another unranked nobody.

TL;DR

Poll Voters: Please rank opponents of UNA based off of how good UNA actually is, not just the fact that they are 'unranked'.

I appreciate your opinion. You really think AGS Poll voters would not know better than that? Also, we treat all teams coming in and going out fairly, evenly and we will not bend the rules once they are set. It's discussion and all are welcome to it for usre.

If they are not playing on the same level playing field as of yet then I could see where they might have some advantages. Not to the extent of a team moving up but I still believe that if their conference mates and their division say they have an advantage then I have to trust that. But I am fine having them in if the voters want to have a vote on it because as I said I can easily go along with what my contemporaries view as fair on this matter.

I get the concern, I don't share it. I know the Griz are playing them in the 2nd game and your fear stated here never entered my mind and still takes no residency.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Oh I completely agree with letting them in the playoffs and eligible for their conference title, but we don't have any control over that. I've never understood why a team moving UP doesn't get consideration immediately.

Here's my proposal:
Teams moving up to FCS - Eligible for the poll immediately providing they have at least 8 D1 games scheduled.
Teams moving down down to FCS - Must be eligible for a conference title or the playoffs
Teams moving up to FBS - Are no longer eligible if they are no longer eligible for the playoffs

Like I started with I don't understand why teams moving up need a transitional period. They are coming from a lower scholarship divison and so they don't have any advantage over the rest of the FCS. Teams moving down or moving up to FBS are either coming from more scholarships or are heading that direction so clearly they could have an unfair advantage over the rest of the FCS.

Also, ursus I think UNA not being in the poll will turn into a pain in the neck if their play warrants consideration. Which I think is quite likely. Their fans, some pollsters, and other fans are going to question why they aren't in the poll. You and others will have to play the broken record of explaining our position.

My two cents on the matter. Hopefully a few more will pipe in as I think this should be a group discussion.

Your proposal is well thought out and I am in the process of getting trying to get a good solid answer to your question but I know it had to do with differences in recruiting (an advantage) via grades and some other factors that D2 kids came in under...I wish I had a better grip on the why but as I said I am trying to get that answer for us before we make changes.

I know it has been posted here before many years back but I ain't going and looking for it. xlolx

[BisonTru]

Your proposal is well thought out and I am in the process of getting trying to get a good solid answer to your question but I know it had to do with differences in recruiting (an advantage) via grades and some other factors that D2 kids came in under...I wish I had a better grip on the why but as I said I am trying to get that answer for us before we make changes.

I know it has been posted here before many years back but I ain't going and looking for it. xlolx

That's a good point to consider (the possible lower academic standards/recruiting advantage). If anyone has any info on the differences it would be good to read.

Really I look at NDSU who was eligible because we and a handful of other newer move-ups had a non-playoff conference for a while till we all found permanent homes. UNA just doesn't have that option as they are really the only move-up in the area. I don't see much difference outside of just situation.

[JSUSoutherner]

I appreciate your opinion. You really think AGS Poll voters would not know better than that? Also, we treat all teams coming in and going out fairly, evenly and we will not bend the rules once they are set. It's discussion and all are welcome to it for usre.

If they are not playing on the same level playing field as of yet then I could see where they might have some advantages. Not to the extent of a team moving up but I still believe that if their conference mates and their division say they have an advantage then I have to trust that. But I am fine having them in if the voters want to have a vote on it because as I said I can easily go along with what my contemporaries view as fair on this matter.

I get the concern, I don't share it. I know the Griz are playing them in the 2nd game and your fear stated here never entered my mind and still takes no residency.

It could work both ways. UNA could be an asset or detriment to a lot of teams in the polls. Their schedule has been fairly loaded with ranked teams.

Montana
WIU
Jax State
Kennesaw

UNA is wasting no time dabbling with bottom feeders. I do believe the voters are able to handle considering UNA without a ranking associated with them, but only as long as they are on the radar to begin with.

[Catbooster]

I also recall that there were different (looser) recruiting, academic, etc. requirements for DII than DI as the reason for the transition period. The transition period allowed those students to complete their eligibility rather than creating an incentive for the school to drop them. It also allows compliance offices, etc. to get up to speed on the DI requirements. Like Ursus, I don't recall the specifics.

DI teams dropping down (Idaho) don't have those administrative and rule changes because they are already DI. They just need to get their scholarship numbers down to be eligible.

As I recall, the Great West was playoff eligible, but didn't have an auto-berth. To facilitate forming the conference they let all the teams be eligible for the conference championship even though NDSU and SDSU weren't playoff eligible?

For consistency and simplicity, I'd prefer to leave our policy as it is, but there are some reasonable arguments to include ineligible teams.

[ngineer]

Oh I completely agree with letting them in the playoffs and eligible for their conference title, but we don't have any control over that. I've never understood why a team moving UP doesn't get consideration immediately.

Here's my proposal:
Teams moving up to FCS - Eligible for the poll immediately providing they have at least 8 D1 games scheduled.
Teams moving down down to FCS - Must be eligible for a conference title or the playoffs
Teams moving up to FBS - Are no longer eligible if they are no longer eligible for the playoffs

Like I started with I don't understand why teams moving up need a transitional period. They are coming from a lower scholarship divison and so they don't have any advantage over the rest of the FCS. Teams moving down or moving up to FBS are either coming from more scholarships or are heading that direction so clearly they could have an unfair advantage over the rest of the FCS.

Also, ursus I think UNA not being in the poll will turn into a pain in the neck if their play warrants consideration. Which I think is quite likely. Their fans, some pollsters, and other fans are going to question why they aren't in the poll. You and others will have to play the broken record of explaining our position.

My two cents on the matter. Hopefully a few more will pipe in as I think this should be a group discussion.

xthumbsupx

[dgtw]

Why do we vote on Ivy League schools when they aren’t eligible for the playoffs? I understand it is their choice but they still can’t go.


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[IBleedYellow]

Why do we vote on Ivy League schools when they aren’t eligible for the playoffs? I understand it is their choice but they still can’t go.


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Because they are in the running for the Ivy League Championship. xthumbsupx

[Bisonator]

Why do we vote on Ivy League schools when they aren’t eligible for the playoffs? I understand it is their choice but they still can’t go.


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You don't have to, I'm not voting for an Ivy. I may not vote for any MEAC or SWAC either. Don't want to associate with us then you don't need to be ranked either.

[clenz]

Why do we vote on Ivy League schools when they aren’t eligible for the playoffs? I understand it is their choice but they still can’t go.


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They are 1000000% eligible for the playoffs. The NCAA gives them an automatic bid every year.

The league just turns it down.

In no way are the ineligible.

[clenz]

I also recall that there were different (looser) recruiting, academic, etc. requirements for DII than DI as the reason for the transition period. The transition period allowed those students to complete their eligibility rather than creating an incentive for the school to drop them. It also allows compliance offices, etc. to get up to speed on the DI requirements. Like Ursus, I don't recall the specifics.

DI teams dropping down (Idaho) don't have those administrative and rule changes because they are already DI. They just need to get their scholarship numbers down to be eligible.

As I recall, the Great West was playoff eligible, but didn't have an auto-berth. To facilitate forming the conference they let all the teams be eligible for the conference championship even though NDSU and SDSU weren't playoff eligible?

For consistency and simplicity, I'd prefer to leave our policy as it is, but there are some reasonable arguments to include ineligible teams.
I don't remember the exact numbers but the clearing house rules for D2 are much easier to work around than they are for D1 athletes to become a qualifier. D2 clearing house standard is essentially the JUCO standard in that if a school wants to accept you and put you on scholarship as an athlete even though you can't write your name, so be it. Northwest Missouri State and MSU-Mankato make a living off of kids that are recruited by UNI, SDSU, USD, NDSU, MOSU, etc. but don't make clearinghouse for D1. It's not a coincidence those two schools are in the heart of the are UNI, NDSU, and SDSU recruit heavily, you see those three schools having kids in for visits but the never extending an offer an D2 offers start rolling in and then those teams are really ****ing good at the D2 level. Their rosters are "full" of kids that are D1 starters and significant playing time players but just didn't make clearing house for whatever reason. I know/know of more than a few kids that went to NWMOSU because of it and become AC/AA type players as a Bearcat.

This creates a potential situation where the D2 moving up has enrolled student athletes that would not be eligible through the NCAA D1 clearing house. In theory - not that it does - if a D2 moving up wanted to make sure they hit the ground running they could load up on any kid that didn't meet the clearinghouse (and there is a **** ton of them) and redshirt them and recruit them right up until the move and have rosters full of kids that aren't "D1 eligible" yet now get to play D1 athletics. The transition period requires the D2 to recruit under the D1 clearing house rules and is long enough that any recruit that may have not have met D1 guidelines is graduated out of the programs.

Plus as mentioned, there are significant oversight and administrative requirements at the D1 level. Extra staff members and compliance members that take care of the issues previously mentioned. There are probably twice the number of compliance forms and regulations that have to be followed from what I have been told. It would suck pretty hard for a D2 to move in one year to D1 and not be ready for all the other **** that goes on with it and all of a sudden they are hit with compliance penalty after compliance penalty and within 4 years are buried so far under penalties there is zero chance for the to succeed.


If the question is should transition teams be poll eligible I would say that during the transition they aren't a full D1 member until they are eligible for their conference title. Any time during the transition they can go back to D2 with no "penalty". Until you are a full a full D1 member I would argue you should not be poll eligible.

[clenz]

Went and looked it up

D1 requires a higher GPA by .2 doesnt sound like a ton but clearing house uses a sliding scale to put GPA and ACT/SAT scores together

Based on your GPA your combined ACT/SAT scores required to pass the clearing house vary.

If you have a 2.5 GPA in HS you would need a combined ACT score of 68 to get into D1.
If you have a 2.5 GPA in HS you would need a combined ACT score of just 55 to get into D2.

Have a combined score of 67 but a 2.5 GPA? Tough ****. D2 you go.

Same story plays out with combined SAT scores.

So when you combined the higher required GPA plus the sliding scale required for ACT/SAT scores based on GPA it can create a pretty big gap in who can get in where.

Oh, and the guidelines for remaining on the good side of the clearing house are easier/less strict on the D2 side.

D1 has a schedule towards graduation that has to be stayed on - including percentage of core class completion. More strict GPA requires. More credits required per year etc.

D2 is essentially - just take at least 12 credits a semester, doesn't matter what the credits are, and maintain a 2.0

[Preferred Walk-On]

Not a biggie, but have always wondered why the following are abbreviated as such:

Cal Poly Mustangs
Sac State Hornets
UC Davis Aggies

Is it an anti-California thing? xconfusedx

Why aren't they:

California Polytechnic Mustangs
California State-Sacramento Hornets (this would be similar to Tennessee-Martin)
California-Davis Aggies (see line above)

These are the official names of the universities (listed next to the copyright on their respective university websites) plus their mascot names. I also looked up Tennessee Tech to see if that should be something else, but Tennessee Tech is what is actually next to the copyright.

Of these, the only one that I could see as confusing is California State-Sacramento, as this has been referred to as Sac(ramento) State for a long time. All other states have their entire name in the team name. Hell, even The Citadel has the "The" and it alphabetized with the T's. It is time to end the oppression of California. xdrunkyx

Not trying to start a movement...simply putting this out there.

[clenz]

Sac State is the actual name of athletics team. They have an academic name and athletic name.


Do you also take issue with Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Texas, Nebraska, Wisconsin or hell even NDSU for not using the full university name?

What about the Cal Bears?


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[Laker]

I remember when the Pitt Panthers did a complete rebrand and changed their colors, mascot look and name.

Then they fired the idiot AD who wasted all of that money and finally went back to the iconic look and name.

When you think of Pittsburgh, you might think of the Penguins, the Pirates, or the Steelers. You don't think of the Panthers. But when you say Pitt, you only think of the Panthers.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Sac State is the actual name of athletics team. They have an academic name and athletic name.


Do you also take issue with Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Texas, Nebraska, Wisconsin or hell even NDSU for not using the full university name?

What about the Cal Bears?


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No issue at all. Thank you for the historical context, or lack thereof. My question with respect to poll name lists (the topic of this thread) is "Why are there a few that are abbreviated, when >97% are not?".


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[Preferred Walk-On]

BTW, Sac State's athletics website is littered with the use of Sacramento State. Poor website authoring, or lack of recognition of even their own branding? Your call.


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[polsongrizz]

I get it man, I do, but wouldn't it also be nice to include them in the playoffs and conference title races? We have this every time a team moves up from or to FCS and I'm not gonna just go back and forth willy nilly depending on the teams.

But, I'm not trying to do things against people's (voters) will either so maybe we have a up or down vote with both cases being stated and see what the poll voters decide?

We did this all way back when Texas State left and the "not in" won then but it wasn't a big vote or issue really.

These were issues already decided but I'm really getting tired of the constant argument over it. Whatever wins this time is it once and for all. I hope that doesn't sound like I'm being a dick cuz you asked a decent question in a very decent manner but it gets a bit frustrating on my end being in the center of it all the time so if don't mean for it to come off bad.xthumbsupxUNA shouldn't be in until they are in.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Sac State is the actual name of athletics team. They have an academic name and athletic name.


Do you also take issue with Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Texas, Nebraska, Wisconsin or hell even NDSU for not using the full university name?

What about the Cal Bears?


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One more thing. The North Dakota State University of Agriculture and Applied Sciences still has North Dakota spelled out. None of the schools with California in their name are spelled out in this list.


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[IBleedYellow]

Sac State is the actual name of athletics team. They have an academic name and athletic name.


Do you also take issue with Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Texas, Nebraska, Wisconsin or hell even NDSU for not using the full university name?

What about the Cal Bears?


Sent from my Pixel 3 using TapatalkFor what it's worth it's: North Dakota State University of Agriculture and Applied Sciences.

Edit. PWO beat me to it.

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[clenz]

For what it's worth it's: North Dakota State University of Agriculture and Applied Sciences.

Edit. PWO beat me to it.

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So I guess they need to go by that

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[ursus arctos horribilis]

Not a biggie, but have always wondered why the following are abbreviated as such:

Cal Poly Mustangs
Sac State Hornets
UC Davis Aggies

Is it an anti-California thing?

Why aren't they:

California Polytechnic Mustangs
California State-Sacramento Hornets (this would be similar to Tennessee-Martin)
California-Davis Aggies (see line above)

These are the official names of the universities (listed next to the copyright on their respective university websites) plus their mascot names. I also looked up Tennessee Tech to see if that should be something else, but Tennessee Tech is what is actually next to the copyright.

Of these, the only one that I could see as confusing is California State-Sacramento, as this has been referred to as Sac(ramento) State for a long time. All other states have their entire name in the team name. Hell, even The Citadel has the "The" and it alphabetized with the T's. It is time to end the oppression of California.

Not trying to start a movement...simply putting this out there.

Don't worry, if you try and start a movement I don't like I will extinguish it immediately. :D

You state that these things have been confusing for a long time but in reality Sac was Sacramento until a year ago. It was brought up, looked into, and changed to "Sac" because it was a branding wish or whatever...but it would not change the ability for people to look for them and it was shorter. I deal with spreadsheets, the longer the name the worse it is for me so if I have a shorter option that can still easily be found when putting together a ballot then this is what I go with.



No issue at all. Thank you for the historical context, or lack thereof. My question with respect to poll name lists (the topic of this thread) is "Why are there a few that are abbreviated, when >97% are not?".


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I've spent so much time trying to appease with the correct name as well as make it easy to find in the list of 120 plus names when casting a ballot. That is one of the most important factors...not a philosophical argument of whether all names are in the exact same format. When I started this thing 8 yrs. ago I started form scratch and built every facet of it and one of the things that got much thought was the best way to name the teams. I went with as simple as I could and the format was "School" and then "Mascot". But again we have some teams that the school name can be very long. SEMO and ETSU and so forth can be challenging so what do I do with those? I go with the most common nomenclature that we, the voters, use everyday on this site for the most part.

I seriously have hundreds of hours into building and maintaining this list. This list then has to get moved around and put into at least 5 or 6 different places so that all things calculate out or verify properly. In other words a single change for one name is changed in many places so I don't take them lightly or change them without thought. UC Davis and Sac and Cal Poly were all looked into and checked with the schools to see if what we were doing was correct either by public statements or asking them via email.



BTW, Sac State's athletics website is littered with the use of Sacramento State. Poor website authoring, or lack of recognition of even their own branding? Your call.


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Sac St. does not seem to have a unified marketing plan as you stated because they do have it as Sacramento in many places...I can't do **** about that. I went with what I was informed on.


But moreover PWO I am getting a bit of a snitty and wiseass type tone from your replies on the matter. Not sure what or why this is happening? Maybe you felt like challenging clenz or whatever but one thing you should always keep at the front of your mind on things like this is that I am checking in and trying to make sure we have it right, and easy for the voters due to how WE use the naming on here and on each name change we have had debated input by the fans of that team and we have looked into it.

But if there is an idea with all this in mind that we can do better I really want to hear it. I am not changing the Cal schools. I think there was some controversy over UC Davis last year or the year before but I really can't remember what it was all about but possibly dropping the "UC" part which I don't think would serve the voters well at this point and it is how they are listed on the BSC site and most schedules I believe.

[clenz]

Don't worry, if you try and start a movement I don't like I will extinguish it immediately. :D

You state that these things have been confusing for a long time but in reality Sac was Sacramento until a year ago. It was brought up, looked into, and changed to "Sac" because it was a branding wish or whatever...but it would not change the ability for people to look for them and it was shorter. I deal with spreadsheets, the longer the name the worse it is for me so if I have a shorter option that can still easily be found when putting together a ballot then this is what I go with.




I've spent so much time trying to appease with the correct name as well as make it easy to find in the list of 120 plus names when casting a ballot. That is one of the most important factors...not a philosophical argument of whether all names are in the exact same format. When I started this thing 8 yrs. ago I started form scratch and built every facet of it and one of the things that got much thought was the best way to name the teams. I went with as simple as I could and the format was "School" and then "Mascot". But again we have some teams that the school name can be very long. SEMO and ETSU and so forth can be challenging so what do I do with those? I go with the most common nomenclature that we, the voters, use everyday on this site for the most part.

I seriously have hundreds of hours into building and maintaining this list. This list then has to get moved around and put into at least 5 or 6 different places so that all things calculate out or verify properly. In other words a single change for one name is changed in many places so I don't take them lightly or change them without thought. UC Davis and Sac and Cal Poly were all looked into and checked with the schools to see if what we were doing was correct either by public statements or asking them via email.




Sac St. does not seem to have a unified marketing plan as you stated because they do have it as Sacramento in many places...I can't do **** about that. I went with what I was informed on.


But moreover PWO I am getting a bit of a snitty and wiseass type tone from your replies on the matter. Not sure what or why this is happening? Maybe you felt like challenging clenz or whatever but one thing you should always keep at the front of your mind on things like this is that I am checking in and trying to make sure we have it right, and easy for the voters due to how WE use the naming on here and on each name change we have had debated input by the fans of that team and we have looked into it.

But if there is an idea with all this in mind that we can do better I really want to hear it. I am not changing the Cal schools. I think there was some controversy over UC Davis last year or the year before but I really can't remember what it was all about but possibly dropping the "UC" part which I don't think would serve the voters well at this point and it is how they are listed on the BSC site and most schedules I believe.
I mean - the reality is the school name might be one that on the academic side, but the athletics side can be entirely different

In the case of Sac State they have marked Sac State, Sacramento State, and a few others. It takes all of 4 seconds to find official branding and licensing marks and guidelines.

Georgia Tech on the academic side is The Georgia Institute of Technology. On the athletic side it is Georgia Tech. Same thing for Virginia Tech. VaTech is Virginia Polytechnic Institute, but in all informal situations they have marked Virginia Tech as their branding - along with VT, and Va Tech.

Wisconsin Badgers are the University of Wisconsin at Madison. They drop the Madison. Same with Nebraska at Lincoln. Texas at Austin.

Hell, my school has a academic name and athletic name but in similar to Sac State in being **** at sticking to one main branding. On the Academic side it is the University of Northern Iowa - UNI isn't supposed to be allowed. On the athletic side it is only supposed to be UNI. The only time Northern Iowa is supposed to be allowed on the athletic side is the first time it is mentioned in a news article or TV/radio report. After that every mention is supposed to be UNI. NI, NoIowa, NoIa, NIowa, etc. aren't supposed to be allowed but UNI doesn't do **** about it - in fact many times they break their own branding guide (and hell, don't even use their official school colors for ****). To get truly technical with Ursus I should tell him it needs to be UNI Panthers - but the reality is that isn't what it needs to be for this situation.

For Davis - The Univesrsity of California as marked UC as official branding for the system. Go look at any of their branding. Literally everything is UC. UC is an approved/official abbreviation. I also assume you hate that UCLA goes by UCLA and not the University of California Los Angeles. For 99.99999% of what Davis does - UC is the only applicable branding.

There are certain people and certain topics you can pick at on this board and get away with it. Little **** like this and me ain't it, chief. I got the STATS FCS twitter account to block me because I corrected them during a disucssion between myself, a few others, STATS and Hero Sports guys about some conference history/naming/transitions. I wasn't blocked before that discussion. I was instantly once it was over. Mr. Haley apparently didn't like that little bit of knowledge i dropped on him/his STATS account. Ironically he didn't block me from his personal account

[Bisonator]

The shorter the better in my opinion........er or is that what she said.......errr i wish

Anyway I say we start a movement to get North Dakota Fighting Hawks shortened to just North Dakota Fawkers or UN_ Fawkers

[Preferred Walk-On]

Don't worry, if you try and start a movement I don't like I will extinguish it immediately. :D

You state that these things have been confusing for a long time but in reality Sac was Sacramento until a year ago. It was brought up, looked into, and changed to "Sac" because it was a branding wish or whatever...but it would not change the ability for people to look for them and it was shorter. I deal with spreadsheets, the longer the name the worse it is for me so if I have a shorter option that can still easily be found when putting together a ballot then this is what I go with.

I've spent so much time trying to appease with the correct name as well as make it easy to find in the list of 120 plus names when casting a ballot. That is one of the most important factors...not a philosophical argument of whether all names are in the exact same format. When I started this thing 8 yrs. ago I started form scratch and built every facet of it and one of the things that got much thought was the best way to name the teams. I went with as simple as I could and the format was "School" and then "Mascot". But again we have some teams that the school name can be very long. SEMO and ETSU and so forth can be challenging so what do I do with those? I go with the most common nomenclature that we, the voters, use everyday on this site for the most part.

I seriously have hundreds of hours into building and maintaining this list. This list then has to get moved around and put into at least 5 or 6 different places so that all things calculate out or verify properly. In other words a single change for one name is changed in many places so I don't take them lightly or change them without thought. UC Davis and Sac and Cal Poly were all looked into and checked with the schools to see if what we were doing was correct either by public statements or asking them via email.

Sac St. does not seem to have a unified marketing plan as you stated because they do have it as Sacramento in many places...I can't do **** about that. I went with what I was informed on.

But moreover PWO I am getting a bit of a snitty and wiseass type tone from your replies on the matter. Not sure what or why this is happening? Maybe you felt like challenging clenz or whatever but one thing you should always keep at the front of your mind on things like this is that I am checking in and trying to make sure we have it right, and easy for the voters due to how WE use the naming on here and on each name change we have had debated input by the fans of that team and we have looked into it.

But if there is an idea with all this in mind that we can do better I really want to hear it. I am not changing the Cal schools. I think there was some controversy over UC Davis last year or the year before but I really can't remember what it was all about but possibly dropping the "UC" part which I don't think would serve the voters well at this point and it is how they are listed on the BSC site and most schedules I believe.

First, ursus and clenz, I acknowledge both of you as respected members on this form, and I am never trying to be disrespectful...of anyone actually. I think my small body of posts can attest to that. No posts (except for my first response to clenz) were intended to be any more snitty than the post that started this (post #36). All I ask, is if you are going to call out "snittyness", please call it out on both sides. And clenz...I surrender. ;) (insert white flag here)

Second, it was not meant to be a slight on the poll list, as I appreciate the magnitude of the task of running this poll. It was meant to ask a question to provide a bit of context (mostly for me). The reason I was curious was that to pick California-Davis last year, I believe one had to go to the U's...no biggie, just something I seem to remember (did not rank The Citadel last year, but believe one had to go to the T's). Also noticed that "University" is removed from every name, yet UC Davis would actually be University of California-Davis, as abbreviated. Again, no worries, and I will just go to the U's, should California-Davis continue to remain in my poll. Thought it was funny and ironic that the California schools made up most of the ones where the state name is not spelled out, so tried to joke about it a bit. I guess I will write "sarcasm" after those types of posts from now on to make sure they are taken as such.

Finally, I re-read my posts to make sure I had not said "that these things have been confusing for a long time". In fact, I never used the word confused in this thread, or even implied this. I implied curiosity. I understand that although athletics is a department affiliated with an academic institution, they sometimes use a "brand" that differs from the academic institution with which they are affiliated. This is your baby, so obviously you should do whatever is easiest for you.

I realize that I am not a veteran like some on here, even though I have been reading this forum for about a decade now. All I am asking is to be treated respectfully, or if not, at least to not be called out as the disrespecter, rather than the disrespectee.

Once again, ursus, thanks for what you do, and I appreciate being able to participate here. clenz, I appreciate your posts, and I hope your 2019 is much better than your 2018. Although I disagree with your takes sometimes, please know that I can at least respect them.

This ends my posts on this thread, and I am looking forward to poll voting this year. Also looking forward to seeing everyone's picks and rationale.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

First, ursus and clenz, I acknowledge both of you as respected members on this form, and I am never trying to be disrespectful...of anyone actually. I think my small body of posts can attest to that. No posts (except for my first response to clenz) were intended to be any more snitty than the post that started this (post #36). All I ask, is if you are going to call out "snittyness", please call it out on both sides. And clenz...I surrender. ;) (insert white flag here)

Second, it was not meant to be a slight on the poll list, as I appreciate the magnitude of the task of running this poll. It was meant to ask a question to provide a bit of context (mostly for me). The reason I was curious was that to pick California-Davis last year, I believe one had to go to the U's...no biggie, just something I seem to remember (did not rank The Citadel last year, but believe one had to go to the T's). Also noticed that "University" is removed from every name, yet UC Davis would actually be University of California-Davis, as abbreviated. Again, no worries, and I will just go to the U's, should California-Davis continue to remain in my poll. Thought it was funny and ironic that the California schools made up most of the ones where the state name is not spelled out, so tried to joke about it a bit. I guess I will write "sarcasm" after those types of posts from now on to make sure they are taken as such.

Finally, I re-read my posts to make sure I had not said "that these things have been confusing for a long time". In fact, I never used the word confused in this thread, or even implied this. I implied curiosity. I understand that although athletics is a department affiliated with an academic institution, they sometimes use a "brand" that differs from the academic institution with which they are affiliated. This is your baby, so obviously you should do whatever is easiest for you.:D

I realize that I am not a veteran like some on here, even though I have been reading this forum for about a decade now. All I am asking is to be treated respectfully, or if not, at least to not be called out as the disrespecter, rather than the disrespectee.

Once again, ursus, thanks for what you do, and I appreciate being able to participate here. clenz, I appreciate your posts, and I hope your 2019 is much better than your 2018. Although I disagree with your takes sometimes, please know that I can at least respect them.

This ends my posts on this thread, and I am looking forward to poll voting this year. Also looking forward to seeing everyone's picks and rationale.

I guess I took "I have always wondered why..." as you being confused and I changed the term to that in the response although it was not your exact wording. Your original post was not the part I was referencing in the part where I said you appeared to be building steam regarding the wiseass route...when it looked like the reasons were being explained by clenz...but clenz does do the same thing for sure and it is not like is unacceptable behavior as I do it too.

The sarcasm went unrecognized. It was seen as the previous descriptor obviously.

I wanted to take the time to give a full explanation so you can see it from another side in that sometimes things that look f'd up are actually done so as to try and help mitigate user errors which as you know take a good deal of extra time on my part on Sundays/Monday mornings during the season.

You made a good point on one though that we really don't have trouble with any more. If I had changed North Dakota State to NDSU I bet I would have far fewer mistakes with users on that one. I also like Cal Davis but as I said it seems to be a problem with some fans and I don't want any of them, or you to not feel respected for the opinions and wishes on this forum. So, please know you are respected and your questions very valid as we've discussed them prior too but it seemed a little bit off the way I took it coming across in the thread so my mistake.xthumbsupx

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Teams Eligible for 2019 AGS Poll

Abilene Christian Wildcats
Alabama A&M Bulldogs
Alabama State Hornets
Albany Great Danes
Alcorn State Braves
Arkansas Pine Bluff Golden Lions
Austin Peay Governors
Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
Brown Bears
Bryant Bulldogs
Bucknell Bison
Butler Bulldogs
Cal Poly Mustangs
Campbell Fighting Camels
Central Arkansas Bears
Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
Charleston Southern Buccaneers
Chattanooga Mocs
Colgate Raiders
Columbia Lions
Cornell Big Red
Dartmouth Big Green
Davidson Wildcats
Dayton Flyers
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
Delaware State Hornets
Drake Bulldogs
Duquesne Dukes
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
Eastern Illinois Panthers
Eastern Kentucky Colonels
Eastern Washington Eagles
Elon Phoenix
Florida A&M Rattlers
Fordham Rams
Furman Paladins
Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
Georgetown Hoyas
Grambling State Tigers
Hampton Pirates
Harvard Crimson
Holy Cross Crusaders
Houston Baptist Huskies
Howard Bison
Idaho State Bengals
Idaho Vandals
Illinois State Redbirds
Incarnate Word Cardinals
Indiana State Sycamores
Jackson State Tigers
Jacksonville Dolphins
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
James Madison Dukes
Kennesaw State Owls
Lafayette Leopards
Lamar Cardinals
Lehigh Mountain Hawks
Liberty Flames
Maine Black Bears
Marist Red Foxes
McNeese State Cowboys
Mercer Bears
Mississippi Valley State Delta Devils
Missouri State Bears
Monmouth Hawks
Montana Grizzlies
Montana State Bobcats
Morehead State Eagles
Morgan State Bears
Murray State Racers
New Hampshire Wildcats
Nicholls State Colonels
Norfolk State Spartans
North Carolina A&T Aggies
North Carolina Central Eagles
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
North Dakota State Bison
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
Northern Colorado Bears
Northern Iowa Panthers
Northwestern State Demons
Pennsylvania Quakers
Portland State Vikings
Prairie View A&M Panthers
Presbyterian Blue Hose
Princeton Tigers
Rhode Island Rams
Richmond Spiders
Robert Morris Colonials
Sac State Hornets
Sacred Heart Pioneers
Saint Francis Red Flash
Sam Houston State Bearkats
Samford Bulldogs
San Diego Toreros
South Carolina State Bulldogs
South Dakota Coyotes
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
Southeastern Louisiana Lions
Southern Illinois Salukis
Southern Jaguars
Southern Utah Thunderbirds
Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
Stetson Hatters
Stony Brook Seawolves
Tennessee State Tigers
Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
Texas Southern Tigers
The Citadel Bulldogs
Towson Tigers
UC Davis Aggies
Valparaiso Crusaders
Villanova Wildcats
Virginia Military Institute Keydets
Wagner Seahawks
Weber State Wildcats
Western Carolina Catamounts
Western Illinois Leathernecks
William & Mary Tribe
Wofford Terriers
Yale Bulldogs
Youngstown State Penguins

Sorry, I know I said I was not going to post again in this thread, but I believe "Liberty Flames" should be removed from this list.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Sorry, I know I said I was not going to post again in this thread, but I believe "Liberty Flames" should be removed from this list.

xlolx


Damint! i removed them last year and do not know how I added that back in. Better go look at which list I grabbed and reset my things here. Thanks man, that is a spot on necessity right there.

I mentioned it before but i love these threads because it acts as a checklist of things to accomplish and I get help from some of the smartest SOB's out there with great editing skills.xthumbsupx

[ST_Lawson]

Hell, my school has a academic name and athletic name but in similar to Sac State in being **** at sticking to one main branding. On the Academic side it is the University of Northern Iowa - UNI isn't supposed to be allowed. On the athletic side it is only supposed to be UNI. The only time Northern Iowa is supposed to be allowed on the athletic side is the first time it is mentioned in a news article or TV/radio report. After that every mention is supposed to be UNI. NI, NoIowa, NoIa, NIowa, etc. aren't supposed to be allowed but UNI doesn't do **** about it - in fact many times they break their own branding guide (and hell, don't even use their official school colors for ****). To get truly technical with Ursus I should tell him it needs to be UNI Panthers - but the reality is that isn't what it needs to be for this situation.

Is NIU ok? xlolx

[clenz]

Is NIU ok? xlolx
I doubt half the people in our athletic department would know the difference.

[FUBeAR]

https://www.anygivensaturday.com/images/SeamusLight/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by clenz https://www.anygivensaturday.com/images/SeamusLight/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?p=2780522#post2780522)

Hell, my school has a academic name and athletic name but in similar to Sac State in being **** at sticking to one main branding. On the Academic side it is the University of Northern Iowa - UNI isn't supposed to be allowed. On the athletic side it is only supposed to be UNI. The only time Northern Iowa is supposed to be allowed on the athletic side is the first time it is mentioned in a news article or TV/radio report. After that every mention is supposed to be UNI. NI, NoIowa, NoIa, NIowa, etc. aren't supposed to be allowed but UNI doesn't do **** about it - in fact many times they break their own branding guide (and hell, don't even use their official school colors for ****). To get truly technical with Ursus I should tell him it needs to be UNI Panthers - but the reality is that isn't what it needs to be for this situation

Sounds like the bellhops and their ridiculous obsession with their annoying “The.” They don’t use “The” before “Citadel” all over their own branding / websites / publications, etc., but they DEMAND that others use it...and then they want to be listed near the top, alphabetically, as if “The Citadel” begins with the letter “C.”

Foolishness...I’ll allow you your “The” when you use it without fail & accept your rightful listing at the bottom end of the alphabet. Until then, “the bellhops” or “bellhops” will be used freely & interchangeably.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Sounds like the bellhops and their ridiculous obsession with their annoying “The.” They don’t use “The” before “Citadel” all over their own branding / websites / publications, etc., but they DEMAND that others use it...and then they want to be listed near the top, alphabetically, as if “The Citadel” begins with the letter “C.”

Foolishness...I’ll allow you your “The” when you use it without fail & accept your rightful listing at the bottom end of the alphabet. Until then, “the bellhops” or “bellhops” will be used freely & interchangeably.

They are at the bottom end of the list due to wanting to use it but I doubt any of the fans of the school that are here now care and would probably want it in the C's where it should be.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Sounds like the bellhops and their ridiculous obsession with their annoying “The.” They don’t use “The” before “Citadel” all over their own branding / websites / publications, etc., but they DEMAND that others use it...and then they want to be listed near the top, alphabetically, as if “The Citadel” begins with the letter “C.”

Foolishness...I’ll allow you your “The” when you use it without fail & accept your rightful listing at the bottom end of the alphabet. Until then, “the bellhops” or “bellhops” will be used freely & interchangeably.

How about "Citadel Bulldogs, The"? Put in the C's, still have the "The". (sarcasm)

Couldn't resist. This is my last post on this thread starting...now.


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[ursus arctos horribilis]

How about "Citadel Bulldogs, The"? Put in the C's, still have the "The". (sarcasm)

Couldn't resist. This is my last post on this thread starting...now.


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I think that would be pretty damn funny. You're not done. We'll come up with something to lure you back in.

[OhioHen]

They are at the bottom end of the list due to wanting to use it but I doubt any of the fans of the school that are here now care and would probably want it in the C's where it should be.

You could always list them as Citadel, The Bulldogs

edit: I see that PWO beat me to it.

[FUBeAR]

Thanks for the suggestions. I’ll occasionally add “bellhops, the” into my rotation.

[clenz]

Sounds like the bellhops and their ridiculous obsession with their annoying “The.” They don’t use “The” before “Citadel” all over their own branding / websites / publications, etc., but they DEMAND that others use it...and then they want to be listed near the top, alphabetically, as if “The Citadel” begins with the letter “C.”

Foolishness...I’ll allow you your “The” when you use it without fail & accept your rightful listing at the bottom end of the alphabet. Until then, “the bellhops” or “bellhops” will be used freely & interchangeably.
Nah - with UNI I get it - or any school for that matter.

It's about building a brand. It's about finding that "brand" and making sure it's all that's used. Our last AD (whom i hated with a passion but he did do a couple things very well) had the "dream"/initiative to brand UNI the same way that VCU/TCU/NIU/FAU/FIU/UNLV/ECU/etc. do. Very few people know TCU is Texas Christian University or VCU as Virginia Commonwealth University. There are a large number of people that have no idea what the A and the I stand for in FAU/FIU. His vision was to try to brand UNI as something other than a "directional" school. One way to do that is to stop referring to it as a directional school. He implemented branding standards on all uniforms. Gone were the days of having Panthers or Northern Iowa on our uniforms. Every single uniform now has only UNI on it.

https://cdn1.thecomeback.com/thestudentsection/wp-content/uploads/sites/165/2015/02/Tuttle-640x356.jpg
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/v3XE6f7fCxmnOB1SLc_VCkXd0J8=/0x129:2457x1767/1200x800/filters:focal(0x129:2457x1767)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/45809304/usa-today-8405883.0.jpg

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/qctimes.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/1/54/1540c960-97f1-11e1-b85b-001a4bcf887a/4fa73ba5e3ea3.image.jpg?resize=400%2C409https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1086397906888871936/ngiVtGhb_400x400.jpg

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/wcfcourier.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/e/d7/ed757aa8-7f2e-53de-b661-e86dbb7f8818/5ba996384b9af.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C918





We started seeing UNI only being called UNI in newspapers and score bugs. Then the current admin came in and that all ended. Our basketball court got replaced and we were given the most generic looking court with no color and branding guidelines followed.

http://www.summitathletics-dev.com/uni/supportthepanthers/assets/img/capital-projects/mcleod-center-upgrades/mcleod-center-court-design-v3.jpg


No longer are places being required to use UNI in news stories. No longer are UNI's own releases using UNI/Northern Iowa properly. Score bugs reading NoIowa or NIowa are far too common. There's no brand continuity.

Take issue all you want with it from your persepctive. The reality is the correct branding being enforced and followed is a big deal to athletic departments, schools, and companies. Remember just a few years ago when Microsoft signed that deal with the NFL for sidelines Surface tablets and broadcasters kept calling them iPads. Microsoft threatened a massive suit and to end the deal. The NFL made sure they were only called Microsoft tablets or Surface tablets real damn quick.

[BisonTru]

Well there doesn't seem to be any other posters pushing for North Alabama to be included so I'll drop it, but I can pretty much assure that if they play well, their fans will be on here wondering why they aren't getting consideration.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Well there doesn't seem to be any other posters pushing for North Alabama to be included so I'll drop it, but I can pretty much assure that if they play well, their fans will be on here wondering why they aren't getting consideration.

They will and we can point them to this thread which will provide the academics and other issues as to why I guess but I have also been directed by the MVFC associate commish as to who would be able to give me good info. on this and I am currently sending an email to him as well and when I get in the information I will share it here as well.

[Reign of Terrier]

North Alabama is eligible in 2020?

[BisonTru]

North Alabama is eligible in 2020?

Nope 2022.


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[ursus arctos horribilis]

I'm going to start changing the AGS Poll data tomorrow and this is the list as of 2019 from the discussions and link reading etc. for this year. I am changing the list in the 1st and 2nd post to reflect the changes for this 2019 season. If you see anything incorrect then please bring it up immediately and even pm me about it if I have not answered the call in this thread after a 1/2 hr. or so.

1 Abilene Christian Wildcats
2 Alabama A&M Bulldogs
3 Alabama State Hornets
4 Albany Great Danes
5 Alcorn State Braves
6 Arkansas Pine Bluff Golden Lions
7 Austin Peay Governors
8 Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
9 Brown Bears
10 Bryant Bulldogs
11 Bucknell Bison
12 Butler Bulldogs
13 Cal Poly Mustangs
14 Campbell Fighting Camels
15 Central Arkansas Bears
16 Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
17 Charleston Southern Buccaneers
18 Chattanooga Mocs
19 Colgate Raiders
20 Columbia Lions
21 Cornell Big Red
22 Dartmouth Big Green
23 Davidson Wildcats
24 Dayton Flyers
25 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
26 Delaware State Hornets
27 Drake Bulldogs
28 Duquesne Dukes
29 East Tennessee State Buccaneers
30 Eastern Illinois Panthers
31 Eastern Kentucky Colonels
32 Eastern Washington Eagles
33 Elon Phoenix
34 Florida A&M Rattlers
35 Fordham Rams
36 Furman Paladins
37 Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
38 Georgetown Hoyas
39 Grambling State Tigers
40 Hampton Pirates
41 Harvard Crimson
42 Holy Cross Crusaders
43 Houston Baptist Huskies
44 Howard Bison
45 Idaho State Bengals
46 Idaho Vandals
47 Illinois State Redbirds
48 Incarnate Word Cardinals
49 Indiana State Sycamores
50 Jackson State Tigers
51 Jacksonville Dolphins
52 Jacksonville State Gamecocks
53 James Madison Dukes
54 Kennesaw State Owls
55 Lafayette Leopards
56 Lamar Cardinals
57 Lehigh Mountain Hawks
58 Long Island University Sharks
59 Maine Black Bears
60 Marist Red Foxes
61 McNeese State Cowboys
62 Mercer Bears
63 Mississippi Valley State Delta Devils
64 Missouri State Bears
65 Monmouth Hawks
66 Montana Grizzlies
67 Montana State Bobcats
68 Morehead State Eagles
69 Morgan State Bears
70 Murray State Racers
71 New Hampshire Wildcats
72 Nicholls State Colonels
73 Norfolk State Spartans
74 North Carolina A&T Aggies
75 North Carolina Central Eagles
76 North Dakota Fighting Hawks
77 North Dakota State Bison
78 Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
79 Northern Colorado Bears
80 Northern Iowa Panthers
81 Northwestern State Demons
82 Pennsylvania Quakers
83 Portland State Vikings
84 Prairie View A&M Panthers
85 Presbyterian Blue Hose
86 Princeton Tigers
87 Rhode Island Rams
88 Richmond Spiders
89 Robert Morris Colonials
90 Sac State Hornets
91 Sacred Heart Pioneers
92 Saint Francis Red Flash
93 Sam Houston State Bearkats
94 Samford Bulldogs
95 San Diego Toreros
96 South Carolina State Bulldogs
97 South Dakota Coyotes
98 South Dakota State Jackrabbits
99 Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
100 Southeastern Louisiana Lions
101 Southern Illinois Salukis
102 Southern Jaguars
103 Southern Utah Thunderbirds
104 Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
105 Stetson Hatters
106 Stony Brook Seawolves
107 Tennessee State Tigers
108 Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
109 Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
110 Texas Southern Tigers
111 The Citadel Bulldogs
112 Towson Tigers
113 UC Davis Aggies
114 Valparaiso Crusaders
115 Villanova Wildcats
116 Virginia Military Institute Keydets
117 Wagner Seahawks
118 Weber State Wildcats
119 Western Carolina Catamounts
120 Western Illinois Leathernecks
121 William & Mary Tribe
122 Wofford Terriers
123 Yale Bulldogs
124 Youngstown State Penguins

[ursus arctos horribilis]

bump, help if you see any errors.

[IBleedYellow]

PWO - you're up.

[Preferred Walk-On]

PWO - you're up.

Sorry, late to the game. Looks good, but would probably have removed "University" from Long Island University Sharks (personal preference only - if part of brand, so be it). :D

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Sorry, late to the game. Looks good, but would probably have removed "University" from Long Island University Sharks (personal preference only - if part of brand, so be it). :D

Damnit! Why are you late!? I should have done that.

I'm gonna put another poll up in the voters forum later on about the naming to see what would be best for people and see if we should just with names like Montana & Montana State etc. or if the mascots should be included.

I like them there but they sure aren't necessary. So don't let me forget to change LIU at that point.

[clenz]

Damnit! Why are you late!? I should have done that.

I'm gonna put another poll up in the voters forum later on about the naming to see what would be best for people and see if we should just with names like Montana & Montana State etc. or if the mascots should be included.

I like them there but they sure aren't necessary. So don't let me forget to change LIU at that point.
To be frank - I hate the nicknames on the list.

[McCowboys]

I'm going to start changing the AGS Poll data tomorrow and this is the list as of 2019 from the discussions and link reading etc. for this year. I am changing the list in the 1st and 2nd post to reflect the changes for this 2019 season. If you see anything incorrect then please bring it up immediately and even pm me about it if I have not answered the call in this thread after a 1/2 hr. or so.

1 Abilene Christian Wildcats
2 Alabama A&M Bulldogs
3 Alabama State Hornets
4 Albany Great Danes
5 Alcorn State Braves
6 Arkansas Pine Bluff Golden Lions
7 Austin Peay Governors
8 Bethune-Cookman Wildcats
9 Brown Bears
10 Bryant Bulldogs
11 Bucknell Bison
12 Butler Bulldogs
13 Cal Poly Mustangs
14 Campbell Fighting Camels
15 Central Arkansas Bears
16 Central Connecticut State Blue Devils
17 Charleston Southern Buccaneers
18 Chattanooga Mocs
19 Colgate Raiders
20 Columbia Lions
21 Cornell Big Red
22 Dartmouth Big Green
23 Davidson Wildcats
24 Dayton Flyers
25 Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
26 Delaware State Hornets
27 Drake Bulldogs
28 Duquesne Dukes
29 East Tennessee State Buccaneers
30 Eastern Illinois Panthers
31 Eastern Kentucky Colonels
32 Eastern Washington Eagles
33 Elon Phoenix
34 Florida A&M Rattlers
35 Fordham Rams
36 Furman Paladins
37 Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs
38 Georgetown Hoyas
39 Grambling State Tigers
40 Hampton Pirates
41 Harvard Crimson
42 Holy Cross Crusaders
43 Houston Baptist Huskies
44 Howard Bison
45 Idaho State Bengals
46 Idaho Vandals
47 Illinois State Redbirds
48 Incarnate Word Cardinals
49 Indiana State Sycamores
50 Jackson State Tigers
51 Jacksonville Dolphins
52 Jacksonville State Gamecocks
53 James Madison Dukes
54 Kennesaw State Owls
55 Lafayette Leopards
56 Lamar Cardinals
57 Lehigh Mountain Hawks
58 Long Island University Sharks
59 Maine Black Bears
60 Marist Red Foxes
61 McNeese State Cowboys
62 Mercer Bears
63 Mississippi Valley State Delta Devils
64 Missouri State Bears
65 Monmouth Hawks
66 Montana Grizzlies
67 Montana State Bobcats
68 Morehead State Eagles
69 Morgan State Bears
70 Murray State Racers
71 New Hampshire Wildcats
72 Nicholls State Colonels
73 Norfolk State Spartans
74 North Carolina A&T Aggies
75 North Carolina Central Eagles
76 North Dakota Fighting Hawks
77 North Dakota State Bison
78 Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
79 Northern Colorado Bears
80 Northern Iowa Panthers
81 Northwestern State Demons
82 Pennsylvania Quakers
83 Portland State Vikings
84 Prairie View A&M Panthers
85 Presbyterian Blue Hose
86 Princeton Tigers
87 Rhode Island Rams
88 Richmond Spiders
89 Robert Morris Colonials
90 Sac State Hornets
91 Sacred Heart Pioneers
92 Saint Francis Red Flash
93 Sam Houston State Bearkats
94 Samford Bulldogs
95 San Diego Toreros
96 South Carolina State Bulldogs
97 South Dakota Coyotes
98 South Dakota State Jackrabbits
99 Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
100 Southeastern Louisiana Lions
101 Southern Illinois Salukis
102 Southern Jaguars
103 Southern Utah Thunderbirds
104 Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks
105 Stetson Hatters
106 Stony Brook Seawolves
107 Tennessee State Tigers
108 Tennessee Tech Golden Eagles
109 Tennessee-Martin Skyhawks
110 Texas Southern Tigers
111 The Citadel Bulldogs
112 Towson Tigers
113 UC Davis Aggies
114 Valparaiso Crusaders
115 Villanova Wildcats
116 Virginia Military Institute Keydets
117 Wagner Seahawks
118 Weber State Wildcats
119 Western Carolina Catamounts
120 Western Illinois Leathernecks
121 William & Mary Tribe
122 Wofford Terriers
123 Yale Bulldogs
124 Youngstown State Penguins

It is not "wrong" how they are listed, but McNeese and Nicholls prefer NOT to use the "state." McNeese Cowboys (The official home of MCNEESE ATHLETICS https://mcneesesports.com/index.aspx) and Nicholls Colonels is preferred.

I do like the nicknames listed, and especially in the polls, because it helps me choose the correct team when there are schools with similar names like the North and South Dakotas -- I will then look at the mascot to help me choose the correct team.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

It is not "wrong" how they are listed, but McNeese and Nicholls prefer NOT to use the "state." McNeese Cowboys (The official home of MCNEESE ATHLETICS https://mcneesesports.com/index.aspx) and Nicholls Colonels is preferred.

I do like the nicknames listed, and especially in the polls, because it helps me choose the correct team when there are schools with similar names like the North and South Dakotas -- I will then look at the mascot to help me choose the correct team.

CAn't change anything now because we are in process but once we have some time I will post a vote up and get rid of some things if people would rather have that.

On the second sentence that is why I like having them in there. People have an extra thing to alert to choosing correctly.

[SonuvaHenx2]

I like having the nicknames - as another way to quadruple-check that I selected the team I meant to pick

[OhioHen]

To be frank - I hate the nicknames on the list.

It's not often that clenz and I agree - this is one of those times.

[Sader87]

Technically, we are known as 'College of the Holy Cross' but you can keep us in the H's. :)

Still 'Crusaders' just don't use any knight imagery....don't ask, it's embarrassing. :)

[clenz]

It's not often that clenz and I agree - this is one of those times.
Gross.

We need to counter that with something.

um...

uh...


Arsenal sucks. F off back to Woolwich. North London is white.


xcoffeex







xlolx

[clenz]

It is not "wrong" how they are listed, but McNeese and Nicholls prefer NOT to use the "state." McNeese Cowboys (The official home of MCNEESE ATHLETICS https://mcneesesports.com/index.aspx) and Nicholls Colonels is preferred.

I do like the nicknames listed, and especially in the polls, because it helps me choose the correct team when there are schools with similar names like the North and South Dakotas -- I will then look at the mascot to help me choose the correct team.
Even I struggle with understanding if McNeese and Nicholls are State or not.

I almost never type McNeese State but I've never been confident either way. Nicholls hasn't crossed my mind enough to care - which makes it more confusing when I do consider what i should do there.

Good to know.

[OhioHen]

Gross.

We need to counter that with something.

um...

uh...


Arsenal sucks. F off back to Woolwich. North London is white.


xcoffeex







xlolx

Well played, sir!

[McCowboys]

Even I struggle with understanding if McNeese and Nicholls are State or not.

I almost never type McNeese State but I've never been confident either way. Nicholls hasn't crossed my mind enough to care - which makes it more confusing when I do consider what i should do there.

Good to know.

I don't know anyone who consistently says McNeese State. It's always McNeese. I worked in Texas among other SLC fans, and they all say McNeese. The Cowboys won the SLC baseball tournament and were sent to the Vanderbilt regional. ESPN displayed "McNeese" when the Cowboys played, and during the entire tournament, no matter who was playing, if the Cowboys were mentioned, it was McNeese.

Nicholls athletic teams chose to go simply with Nicholls four or five years ago, I think.

[clenz]

I don't know anyone who consistently says McNeese State. It's always McNeese. I worked in Texas among other SLC fans, and they all say McNeese. The Cowboys won the SLC baseball tournament and were sent to the Vanderbilt regional. ESPN displayed "McNeese" when the Cowboys played, and during the entire tournament, no matter who was playing, if the Cowboys were mentioned, it was McNeese.

Nicholls athletic teams chose to go simply with Nicholls four or five years ago, I think.
I mean, to be fair CCSU has Central Connecticut Blue Devil Athletics as the banner on the athletics site as well. Yet the CCSU doesn't seem to be an issue for anyone?

[Laker]

It will be hard for me to get used to "Sharks" instead of "Blackbirds" for LIU. For those who haven't seen the new logo, here it is.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAUrnJVXUAALcsO?format=jpg&name=900x900

[SonuvaHenx2]

I mean, to be fair CCSU has Central Connecticut Blue Devil Athletics as the banner on the athletics site as well. Yet the CCSU doesn't seem to be an issue for anyone?

Plenty of examples of similar - Middle Tennessee/MTSU, Bowling Green/BGSU - any way to potentially raise your profile by dropping the state school moniker