Jake Peavy Strikes Out 16, Padres LOSE

[Mr. C]

Jake Peavy struck out 16 Arizona Diamondbacks tonight, including nine in a row (second, third and fourth, striking out the side). He missed tying Tom Seaver's Major Leagur record of 10 in a row (19 for the game) when Eric Burns was ruled to have checked his swing with a 2-2 count, leading off the fifth.

But the Padres PULLED Peavy after seven with their pitcher in range of the single-game record and absolutely dominating everyone and leading 2-1 with a two-hitter. Then in the ninth, Trevor Hoffmann blows the save by allowing a two-run walk-off HR to Stephen Drew. How DUMB can you get. Reminds me of the time when San Diego removed Clay Kirby for a pinch-hitter after eight innings when he was throwing a NO-HITTER.

[LeopardFan04]

That's makes no sense...he's clearly dominating...the team has the lead...I guess he was on a pitch count. I don't understand that.

[Mr. C]

Pitch counts have ruined baseball. The idiots are running the asylum.

[Ivytalk]

Wasn't Kirby losing the game at the time he was pulled?xconfusedx If I recall correctly, he had walked a few guys and given up a run.

[Mr. C]

It was 1-0, but the pinch-hitter struck out (Kirby could have done that) and Jack Baldscun gave up a hit to the first guy he faced in the ninth to break up the no-hitter. You were talking about the LAST-PLACE expansion Padres. They were going nowhere anyway. Preston Gomez, the manager, was raked over the coals for that one.

[JoltinJoe]

Jake Peavy struck out 16 Arizona Diamondbacks tonight, including nine in a row (second, third and fourth, striking out the side). He missed tying Tom Seaver's Major Leagur record of 10 in a row (19 for the game) when Eric Burns was ruled to have checked his swing with a 2-2 count, leading off the fifth.

But the Padres PULLED Peavy after seven with their pitcher in range of the single-game record and absolutely dominating everyone and leading 2-1 with a two-hitter. Then in the ninth, Trevor Hoffmann blows the save by allowing a two-run walk-off HR to Stephen Drew. How DUMB can you get. Reminds me of the time when San Diego removed Clay Kirby for a pinch-hitter after eight innings when he was throwing a NO-HITTER.

It is easy to second guess and try to find blame after the fact. Bud Black and his staff have been pretty successful. I imagine Black had a reason for removing Peavy when he did.

I'll send John Moores your resume when Bud Black gets fired.
:p ;)

PS -- You know you owe my positive rep points for this post.xlolx ;)

[Ivytalk]

It was 1-0, but the pinch-hitter struck out (Kirby could have done that) and Jack Baldscun gave up a hit to the first guy he faced in the ninth to break up the no-hitter. You were talking about the LAST-PLACE expansion Padres. They were going nowhere anyway. Preston Gomez, the manager, was raked over the coals for that one.

And what a great team that was! Nate Colbert, John Sipin, Jose Arcia, Tommy Dean, Al Ferrara....castoffs of castoffs!

[Mr. C]

Give me a break. Were not talking about Doug Mientkiewicz here. Were talking about a baseball record. And BTW, Bud Black is a ROOKIE manager, not a HOF one like Joe Torre. All these wimpy folks in baseball pull pitchers WAY TOO EARLY these days (unless you are talking about those Yankee hurlers who shouldn't be out there to begin with. I remember Juan Marichal and 43-year-old Warren Spahn dueling for 16 INNINGS in a game back in the 1960s. The Giants finally won 1-0 on a Willie Mays HR in the 16th. Marichal threw over 200 pitches and wasn't any worse for the effort. He pitched for years without missing any starts. I'm complaining about the way that teams utilize pitchers today. Statistically, there are more blown games in the late innings than ever before and BTW, the Padres lost, so maybe they should have left Peavy in to go for the Major League record. He will probably NEVER have that chance again.

[JoltinJoe]

And what a great team that was! Nate Colbert, John Sipin, Jose Arcia, Tommy Dean, Al Ferrara....castoffs of castoffs!

Wow! What memories. I always thought it was cool that Johnny Podres of Brooklyn Dodger fame was a member of the first Padres team.

Podres-Padres. It seemed so cool to me when I was seven.xlolx

[JoltinJoe]

Give me a break. Were not talking about Doug Mientkiewicz here. Were talking about a baseball record. And BTW, Bud Black is a ROOKIE manager, not a HOF one like Joe Torre. All these wimpy folks in baseball pull pitchers WAY TOO EARLY these days (unless you are talking about those Yankee hurlers who shouldn't be out there to begin with. I remember Juan Marichal and 43-year-old Warren Spahn dueling for 16 INNINGS in a game back in the 1960s. The Giants finally won 1-0 on a Willie Mays HR in the 16th. Marichal threw over 200 pitches and wasn't any worse for the effort. He pitched for years without missing any starts. I'm complaining about the way that teams utilize pitchers today. Statistically, there are more blown games in the late innings than ever before and BTW, the Padres lost, so maybe they should have left Peavy in to go for the Major League record. He will probably NEVER have that chance again.

Does this mean you're not going to give me my positive rep points?;)

[Mr. C]

And what a great team that was! Nate Colbert, John Sipin, Jose Arcia, Tommy Dean, Al Ferrara....castoffs of castoffs!
Nate Colbert was pretty good. He actually made an all-star game, or two and could hit for power. Al Ferrara had a bright future with the Dodgers until breaking his ankle rather badly. He was washed up when he got to the Padres. The rest of that team, other than some promising pitchers (Kirby, Dave Roberts etc.) and a couple of good position players (Clarence "Cito" Gaston for example) was pretty bad.

[Mr. C]

The Clay Krby game was July 21, 1970 in San Diego against the New York Mets. Kirby walked Tommie Agee to start the game, Agee stole second and third and scored on an Art Shamsky ground out to second baseman Ron Slocum (there is a journeyman for you). Wonder if Slocum could have thrown Agee out at the plate? Anyway, it stayed 1-0 into the ninth and Gomez brought up Cito Gaston to pinch-hitter with TWO OUTS and NO ONE on base. Fat chance the Padres were going to score and they always had the ninth inning, anyway. Gaston quickly struck out and Jack Baldscun gives up a hit to Bud Harrelson opening the ninth. Baldscun proceeds to give up TWO MORE RUNS and the Padres go one, two, three in the ninth with Ramon Webster, Steve Huntz and Ollie Brown not getting the ball out of the infield. Jim McAndrew ended up with a three-hit shutout (one of six shutouts in his career) for the Mets.

[Ivytalk]

Ollie "Downtown" Brown! He could really air-condition the stadium when he whiffed -- which was often. And Jim McAndrew never really lived up to his hype, although he had a few decent years for the Mutts.

[Mr. C]

Ollie Brown got his "Downtown" nickname for all of the HRs he hit in my hometown of Fresno at John Euless Park. The Giants had one of the longest working agreements of all-time with the Single-A Fresno Giants in those days. We saw some great players come through town, like Bobby Bonds, George Foster, Gary Matthews and Will Clark. I actually saw Jamie Moyer's father, Jim Moyer, pitch for the Giants in 1968 for the Fresno Giants. One of Jim Moyer's fellow pitchers was this guy named Won Kuk Lee, who was the first Korean to play Organized ball in the U.S. Lee changed his name to Ernesto, married a Mexican lady and became one of the all-time great hurlers in the Mexican League. He was an ambidextrous pitcher.

Fresno now has the Triple-A affliate for the Giants, called the Fresno Grizzlies, who play in a slick, new downtown ballpark.

Jim McAndrew, BTW, was the father of another Major League pitcher, Jamie McAndrew, who came up with the Dodgers as a replacement player and pitched for the Milwaukee Brewers in 1995 and 1997.

[Ivytalk]

I'll see your Won Kuk Lee and raise you Masanori Murakami, the first Japanese player to make the big leagues. I'll never forget the game when Murakami, who spoke very little English, told Giants skipper Herman Franks to "take a hike" during a visit to the mound!

But back to the theme of the thread. They should've let Peavy close it out, like the Phils let Cole Hamels close out his 15-K masterpiece against Cincy on Saturday.xnodx

[Mr. C]

I'll see your Won Kuk Lee and raise you Masanori Murakami, the first Japanese player to make the big leagues. I'll never forget the game when Murakami, who spoke very little English, told Giants skipper Herman Franks to "take a hike" during a visit to the mound!

But back to the theme of the thread. They should've let Peavy close it out, like the Phils let Cole Hamels close out his 15-K masterpiece against Cincy on Saturday.xnodx
The Giants signed both Won Kuk Lee and Masanori Murakami in 1964. And Murakami started the season with the Fresno Giants. The Giants brought him up to the Big Leagues in September and almost created Nuclear War between MLB and the Japanese baseball league. Kim didn't pitch in Fresno until 1968 and got as far as Triple-A Phoenix before the Giants released him (they were too stupid to see that he could have been a good ticket draw back then).

Funny you would mention "Take a Hike." I was just telling my wife that story the other day. Herman Franks was the catcher on my father's Navy baseball team in Hawaii during World War II. My dad played first base, Gil Hodges was the third baseman and former Houston and Atlanta manager (and Phillies pitcher) Luman Harris was the pitcher.

You know my opinion already on Peavy staying in.

[Peems]

while it would have been nice to go for the record, they were bringing in the closer with the most saves in the history of baseball. I think they wanted to win(too bad it didn't work out)

[bulldog10jw]

Jake Peavy struck out 16 Arizona Diamondbacks tonight, including nine in a row (second, third and fourth, striking out the side). He missed tying Tom Seaver's Major Leagur record of 10 in a row (19 for the game) when Eric Burns was ruled to have checked his swing with a 2-2 count, leading off the fifth.

But the Padres PULLED Peavy after seven with their pitcher in range of the single-game record and absolutely dominating everyone and leading 2-1 with a two-hitter. Then in the ninth, Trevor Hoffmann blows the save by allowing a two-run walk-off HR to Stephen Drew. How DUMB can you get. Reminds me of the time when San Diego removed Clay Kirby for a pinch-hitter after eight innings when he was throwing a NO-HITTER.

Seaver's game was against the Padres on an April weekday afternoon. If I remember correctly, and I usually do with the Mets, Seaver struck out the last 10 batters.

[Mr. C]

while it would have been nice to go for the record, they were bringing in the closer with the most saves in the history of baseball. I think they wanted to win(too bad it didn't work out)
I don't care if they were bringing in Cy Young himself, Peavy deserved the chance to finish this game. No one said they were not trying to win.

[Mr. C]

Seaver's game was against the Padres on an April weekday afternoon. If I remember correctly, and I usually do with the Mets, Seaver struck out the last 10 batters.
The Tom Seaver game was April 20, 1970 and was an afternoon game at Shea Stadium. The Mets won 2-1 over the Padres on a third-inning triple by Bud Harrelson that scored Tommie Agee, who had singled. San Diego scored its only run in the second on a Al Ferrara HR, one of two hits for the Padres. Dave Campbell had the only other San Diego hit, a single in the fourth. Seaver only walked two batters. Mike Corkins threw a four-hitter for San Diego, with an inning of relief from Dave Roberts, and lost.

Cito Gaston was out on a fly to right for the second out of the sixth inning. Seaver struck out Ferrara to end the inning and then plowed through the order in the seventh, eighth and ninth, striking out the side in each inning to finish with 10 in a row and 19 for the game to break the National League and Major League records of Sandy Koufax (18 in one game, twice, in 1959 and 1962).

[Mr. C]

I was in the press box at Dodger Stadium the night that Ramon Martinez struck out 18 against the Atlanta Braves on June 4, 1990. It was one of the most exciting live moments I've ever seen in sports. Martinez had 18 strikeouts after eight innings, but couldn't quite get one in the ninth before he finished off a 6-0 shutout.

Too bad that the fans in Arizona didn't get to see Peavy get to go after the record in those final two innings.

[bulldog10jw]

Cito Gaston was out on a fly to right for the second out of the sixth inning. Seaver struck out Ferrara to end the inning and then plowed through the order in the seventh, eighth and ninth, striking out the side in each inning to finish with 10 in a row and 19 for the game to break the National League and Major League records of Sandy Koufax (18 in one game, twice, in 1959 and 1962).

Actually, if I remember correctly, and this involves the Mets, Steve Carlton had already broken Koufax's and Bob Feller's record of 18 just the year before in 1969 when he struck out 19 Mets. Ironically, the Mets won the game 4-3 on 2 two run homers by Ron Swoboda(I think). It was 1969 after all and everything went the Mets way.

[Mr. C]

I was thinking that Carlton had struck out 19 with the Phillies, not the St. Louis Cardinals. Carlton (who is the closest pitcher I've seen to Koufax in the years since Koufax retired, in terms of mechanics, etc.) indeed did it on September 15, 1969, a few months ahead of Seaver. He lost the game 4-3 to the New York Mets. Ron Swoboda indeed hit a two-run HR in the fourth and another in the eighth to ruin Carlton's gem.

Luis Tiant had 19 Ks in a 1-0 win over Minnesota in 1968 that went 10 innings (three strikeouts in the 10th) and Tom Cheney fanned 21 in 16 innings during a 2-1 win by the Washington Senators over the Baltimore Orioles in 1962 (eight strikeouts in extra innings).

Bob Feller's record, BTW, was 17 strikeouts in 1936 against the Phildelphia Athletics, when he was just 17 years old. That stood as the MLB record until Koufax came along and the AL record until Nolan Ryan struck out 19 in nine innings on August 12, 1974 in a 4-2 win over the Boston Red Sox. Ryan had also struck out 19 in on June 14, 1974 in a 4-3, 13-inning win over the Boston Red Sox and had 19 in an 11-inning, 1-0 loss to the Detroit Tigers on August 20, 1974. Ryan had five 19-strikeout games in his career.

Of course, the nine-inning record now is 20, held by Roger Clemens (twice), Randy Johnson (20 in nine innings of an 11-inning game, which technically takes him out of the record in the books) and Kerry Wood.

[bulldog10jw]

I was thinking that Carlton had struck out 19 with the Phillies, not the St. Louis Cardinals. Carlton (who is the closest pitcher I've seen to Koufax in the years since Koufax retired, in terms of mechanics, etc.) indeed did it on September 15, 1969, a few months ahead of Seaver. He lost the game 4-3 to the New York Mets. Ron Swoboda indeed hit a two-run HR in the fourth and another in the eighth to ruin Carlton's gem.

Luis Tiant had 19 Ks in a 1-0 win over Minnesota in 1968 that went 10 innings (three strikeouts in the 10th) and Tom Cheney fanned 21 in 16 innings during a 2-1 win by the Washington Senators over the Baltimore Orioles in 1962 (eight strikeouts in extra innings).

Bob Feller's record, BTW, was 17 strikeouts in 1936 against the Phildelphia Athletics, when he was just 17 years old. That stood as the MLB record until Koufax came along and the AL record until Nolan Ryan struck out 19 in nine innings on August 12, 1974 in a 4-2 win over the Boston Red Sox. Ryan had also struck out 19 in on June 14, 1974 in a 4-3, 13-inning win over the Boston Red Sox and had 19 in an 11-inning, 1-0 loss to the Detroit Tigers on August 20, 1974. Ryan had five 19-strikeout games in his career.

Of course, the nine-inning record now is 20, held by Roger Clemens (twice), Randy Johnson (20 in nine innings of an 11-inning game, which technically takes him out of the record in the books) and Kerry Wood.

I'm pretty sure Feller struck out 18 in a game sometime in his career.

[Mr. C]

I'm pretty sure Feller struck out 18 in a game sometime in his career.
Finally found it. Incredibly, it wasn't listed in the other internet sources I normally use and it wasn't even mentioned in what I read on the Hall of Fame and Bob Feller sites. Feller had tied Dizzy Dean's MLB record of 17 with his 1936 performance. Below is what ESPN said of the 18-strikeout game:

"After suffering through a sore arm in 1937 (he went 9-7 with a 3.39 ERA), Feller went 17-11 with a 4.08 ERA in 1938. On the final day of the season, he struck out 18 Tigers to set a 20th century record that would stand for 31 years."

[dbackjon]

Jake Peavy struck out 16 Arizona Diamondbacks tonight, including nine in a row (second, third and fourth, striking out the side). He missed tying Tom Seaver's Major Leagur record of 10 in a row (19 for the game) when Eric Burns was ruled to have checked his swing with a 2-2 count, leading off the fifth.

But the Padres PULLED Peavy after seven with their pitcher in range of the single-game record and absolutely dominating everyone and leading 2-1 with a two-hitter. Then in the ninth, Trevor Hoffmann blows the save by allowing a two-run walk-off HR to Stephen Drew. How DUMB can you get. Reminds me of the time when San Diego removed Clay Kirby for a pinch-hitter after eight innings when he was throwing a NO-HITTER.

How sweet it was!!

[Mr. C]

Would it have been better to have seen Jake Peavy set the all-time strikeout record, however? Were you there last night (or still on vacation)?

[dbackjon]

Would it have been better to have seen Jake Peavy set the all-time strikeout record, however? Were you there last night (or still on vacation)?


Still on vacation :)