Last Place New York Yankees

[GannonFan]

After being swept by Boston, the Yanks have now suffered a two game sweep at the hands of the Tampa Bay Devil Rays, even with Wang on the hill. While it may just be by percentage points, the New York Yankees, as of this moment, reside in the basement, last place in the AL East. xlolx xlolx xlolx

[UNHWildCats]

isnt it great :D

on a side note i put up an amusing post on my Sox Blog today about A Rod and 2008 :p

[TheValleyRaider]

Because this thread worked so well last year... xwhistlex xreadx

[Mr. C]

I want to see A-Rod break the HR record and the Yankees finish in last place.

[UNHWildCats]

Mr. C how great would that be

[Gil Dobie]

A-Rod 0-3 tonight.

I'd like to see the Red Sox and Yankees play in the playoffs. xcoolx

[UNHWildCats]

ooOOooo hitting streak ended :D

[ucdtim17]

I think we'd all love to see a-rod knock bonds out of the top spot at 73

[Gil Dobie]

I think we'd all love to see a-rod knock bonds out of the top spot at 73

Yes xthumbsupx

[appfan2008]

I think we'd all love to see a-rod knock bonds out of the top spot at 73
amen... and i am also looking forward to when arod passes bonds on the all important alltime hr record (assuming bonds takes it from aaron which he will xbawlingx)

[Grizalltheway]

amen... and i am also looking forward to when arod passes bonds on the all important alltime hr record (assuming bonds takes it from aaron which he will xbawlingx)

Agreed. Barring major injury, I don't have any doubt that he'll do it eventually.

[appfan2008]

he is on a pace that is truly ridiculous and from what i can tell he takes very good care of his body... if he doesnt win a title, i could see him playing a long time just to get one, bc of that he will continue to rack them up

[GannonFan]

Because this thread worked so well last year... xwhistlex xreadx

But come on, how much fun was that last year - just had to reinvent the thread!!

[JoltinJoe]

But come on, how much fun was that last year - just had to reinvent the thread!!

You're right. That thread turned out to be plenty of fun -- for Yankees fans.

And the Yankees finished first last year. And they'll finish first this year (for the 10th straight time). And so it goes. :p

[saint0917]

Boston 12 7 .632 xthumbsupx xthumbsupx
Baltimore 11 9 .550
Toronto 10 10 .500
Tampa Bay 9 11 .450
New York 8 11 .421 xlolx xlolx


Oakland 11 9 .550 My A's xbowx xbowx
Los Angeles 10 10 .500
Texas 8 11 .421
Seattle 6 9

Standings (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/standings/index.jsp)

[Ivytalk]

And Toronto just took its second straight from the Cocky Sox!xthumbsupx Go Jays! Go Orioles!

[GannonFan]

You're right. That thread turned out to be plenty of fun -- for Yankees fans.

And the Yankees finished first last year. And they'll finish first this year (for the 10th straight time). And so it goes. :p

And next year they'll have an AL East Division Championship Banner Lifting Day and everyone will try not to remember that the Yanks will then have gone 7 straight seasons without winning the World Series, spending in excess of $1.4B in the process, and well on the way to becoming like the 90's era Braves - a lot of division championships and no big prize. Imagine, there'll be 7 year old Yankee fans walking in a daze out of the Bronx that day, looking up sheepishly at their parents, asking "Daddy, do you think the Yankees will ever win the World Series while I'm alive?". xlolx xlolx xlolx

[AZGrizFan]

A-Rod hits an AVERAGE of about 46 home runs per year. That means, if he plays 10 more years, he'll have over 900 homeruns. He's already got 478, which means he really only needs about 300 more to pass where Bonds will probably end up. So, even if he slows down, barring major (season ending) injuries he should EASILY pass Bonds' career number as well. THAT is a day I will celebrate.

Maybe THAT is what Hank Aaron is waiting for.... xeyebrowx :D

[JoltinJoe]

And next year they'll have an AL East Division Championship Banner Lifting Day and everyone will try not to remember that the Yanks will then have gone 7 straight seasons without winning the World Series, spending in excess of $1.4B in the process, and well on the way to becoming like the 90's era Braves - a lot of division championships and no big prize. Imagine, there'll be 7 year old Yankee fans walking in a daze out of the Bronx that day, looking up sheepishly at their parents, asking "Daddy, do you think the Yankees will ever win the World Series while I'm alive?". xlolx xlolx xlolx

But the Yanks might just win the World Series this year. And then what will you say? That they went six years without winning one? BFD.

[AZGrizFan]

But the Yanks might just win the World Series this year. And then what will you say? That they went six years without winning one? BFD.

Yeah. And monkeys might fly outta my butt! :D :D :D :D

[Gil Dobie]

A-Rod hits an AVERAGE of about 46 home runs per year. That means, if he plays 10 more years, he'll have over 900 homeruns. He's already got 478, which means he really only needs about 300 more to pass where Bonds will probably end up. So, even if he slows down, barring major (season ending) injuries he should EASILY pass Bonds' career number as well. THAT is a day I will celebrate.

Maybe THAT is what Hank Aaron is waiting for.... xeyebrowx :D

A-Rod is 31, so he has quite a few good years left. Hank is 73, so hurry up A-Rod.

[appfan2008]

I agree i think hank is looking forward to a clean (no steriods) guy to blow by his record... that will be the day we can all rejoice

[GannonFan]

But the Yanks might just win the World Series this year. And then what will you say? That they went six years without winning one? BFD.

Not really worried about that scenario at all - I don't think Clemens can even make that pitching staff (bullpen included - geez, how bad are Myers and Farnsworth???) playoff-successful. Pitching wins championships, and the Yanks don't have it.

[bluehenbillk]

Man I arrived late to the game, it's a glorious day looking at the Yanks throw minor leaguers out on the hill.

[JoltinJoe]

Not really worried about that scenario at all - I don't think Clemens can even make that pitching staff (bullpen included - geez, how bad are Myers and Farnsworth???) playoff-successful. Pitching wins championships, and the Yanks don't have it.

Really?

Let's see where the Yanks' team ERA is in September.

[GannonFan]

Really?

Let's see where the Yanks' team ERA is in September.

I wouldn't be worried about September's ERA - it's the ERA in October that's been giving them fits for so many years now. xnodx

[Peems]

at least we aren't phillies fans xnodx

[GannonFan]

at least we aren't phillies fans xnodx

Hey, our ERA come October is practically 0.00 ! xsmiley_wix

[Peems]

Hey, our ERA come October is practically 0.00 ! xsmiley_wix

xlolxxlolxxlolx

"better to have danced than never danced at all"

(what BS xnodx)

[PaladinFan]

I want to see A-Rod break the HR record and the Yankees finish in last place.

A-Rod has already been an MVP on a last place team once.

Still, there is nobody that touches that guy in the game of baseball. He is just that much better than everyone else IMO.

[lucchesicourt]

The worse the Yanks look, the less likely Clemens will join them. He wants a shot at a NC and let's face it, the Yanks pitching looks so bad ('cept Pettit) that Clemens might judge themas a totally sinking ship. Pitching and defense wins, not offense. This will make it more likely Clemens will go to Houston (his home) or Boston.

[AppGuy04]

Because this thread worked so well last year... xwhistlex xreadx

yeah, I made this last year, didn't work so well

[JoltinJoe]

The worse the Yanks look, the less likely Clemens will join them. He wants a shot at a NC and let's face it, the Yanks pitching looks so bad ('cept Pettit) that Clemens might judge themas a totally sinking ship. Pitching and defense wins, not offense. This will make it more likely Clemens will go to Houston (his home) or Boston.

Chien Ming Wang is one of the best starters in the game. 19-6 3.6 ERA last year. He finished second to Johana Santana in the Cy Young voting last year. He's going to be around for a long, long time. He's much better than anyone Boston has right now.

There is probably no better No. 3 guy in the game right now than Mike Mussina, who you continue to belittle despite the fact that his career numbers are vastly superior to Schilling's.

Some perspective. Wang, Mussina, and Pavano have been on the DL. Wang came back Tuesday and pitched well. Mussina comes back next week in Texas. It's April, for goodness sake.

[AppGuy04]

Chien Ming Wang is one of the best starters in the game. 19-6 3.6 ERA last year. He finished second to Johana Santana in the Cy Young voting last year. He's going to be around for a long, long time. He's much better than anyone Boston has right now.

Good, yes, but I wouldn't go that far. I think DiceK is a better all around pitcher

[JoltinJoe]

Good, yes, but I wouldn't go that far. I think DiceK is a better all around pitcher

No way. DiceK will have some success but, from what I've seen, he has nowhere near the command that Wang has. DiceK has some devastating stuff but he seems to miss his spot too often. He will pay for the lack of command in the major leagues far more often than he did in Japan.

I'll bet you by year's end, his ERA is over 4.00.

[bluehenbillk]

Chien Ming Wang is one of the best starters in the game. 19-6 3.6 ERA last year. He finished second to Johana Santana in the Cy Young voting last year. He's going to be around for a long, long time. He's much better than anyone Boston has right now.

There is probably no better No. 3 guy in the game right now than Mike Mussina, who you continue to belittle despite the fact that his career numbers are vastly superior to Schilling's.

Some perspective. Wang, Mussina, and Pavano have been on the DL. Wang came back Tuesday and pitched well. Mussina comes back next week in Texas. It's April, for goodness sake.

Wang better than anyone Boston has? I'll take all of Boston's top 3 over one-year Wang. As for perspective, what has Pavano accomplished in a Yankee uniform? No Yankee starter has found his way to the 8th inning yet this year this killing their bullpen, that's why they're in the cellar.

[Peems]

everyone saying wang is a one year wonder? but right now he is the more proven pitcher between him and Daisuke. Clemens will come back around middle of may to get ready by june. If the yanks are still in last place come june i will cheer for the bobcats xnodx.

[AppGuy04]

everyone saying wang is a one year wonder? but right now he is the more proven pitcher between him and Daisuke.

DiceK has had what? 3 starts? Thats the dumbest statement I've ever heard

[JoltinJoe]

Wang better than anyone Boston has? I'll take all of Boston's top 3 over one-year Wang.

You would? Really? Can I join your fantasy league? xlolx :p

[UNHWildCats]

Wang was one of the best last season, but I think its a bit of a stretch to declare him one of the best in baseball because of one season.

I hope he is great for a long stretch of time, just as I do for Igawa and Matsuzaka, but lets face it Wang isnt there yet, Matsuzaka is closer because he has performed for some time in a top caliber league while Wang hasnt and Matsuzaka dominated some of the best players in the world in the WBC.

[Peems]

DiceK has had what? 3 starts? Thats the dumbest statement I've ever heard
Really? one pitcher finished second in the Cy Young and has a whole year in the Majors under his belt and the other has 4 starts? who is more proven? hmmm?? Your point above is my proof, Dice-K has four starts!!!!! how can he be considered so great if he hasn't even pitched a ****ing season in the majors yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[UNHWildCats]

Really? one pitcher finished second in the Cy Young and has a whole year in the Majors under his belt and the other has 4 starts? who is more proven? hmmm?? Your point above is my proof, Dice-K has four starts!!!!! how can he be considered so great if he hasn't even pitched a ****ing season in the majors yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Daisuke has pitched 8 years in the Japanese Major Leagues as well as dominated the WBC while the Japan Majors isnt MLB its still far superior competition then what Wang has faced over the past 8 years aside from the season and a half he has been in New York.

Im not saying Wang sucks, but you cant claim him as great over his brief work in the majors.

And you cant discount the 8 seasons Matsuzaka had in Japan.

[AppGuy04]

Really? one pitcher finished second in the Cy Young and has a whole year in the Majors under his belt and the other has 4 starts? who is more proven? hmmm?? Your point above is my proof, Dice-K has four starts!!!!! how can he be considered so great if he hasn't even pitched a ****ing season in the majors yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm just pointing out the fact that you can't judge DiceK just yet. Give him a whole season like Wang has had and we shall see who is a better pitcher.

[UNHWildCats]

Just wanna toss a couple names out

Mark Fidrych

19-9 2.34 ERA

Went 10-10 over the remainder of his career



Wally Bunker

19-5 2.69 ERA

finished his career with a record of 60-52

[Peems]

Daisuke has pitched 8 years in the Japanese Major Leagues as well as dominated the WBC while the Japan Majors isnt MLB its still far superior competition then what Wang has faced over the past 8 years aside from the season and a half he has been in New York.

Im not saying Wang sucks, but you cant claim him as great over his brief work in the majors.

And you cant discount the 8 seasons Matsuzaka had in Japan.

I wasnt the one who said Wang was great, I said that based on what they have each done in the MLB so far, Wang is the more proven pitcher. Not saying who will be the best in 10 years but who is more proven RIGHT NOW.

[AppGuy04]

I wasnt the one who said Wang was great, I said that based on what they have each done in the MLB so far, Wang is the more proven pitcher. Not saying who will be the best in 10 years but who is more proven RIGHT NOW.

and u can't honestly think its fair to compare a handful of starts to a whole year in the MLB

[UNHWildCats]

i say Daisuke is more proven

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7946/739/400/matstats.jpg

Now theres the case being made that the Japanese Leagues level falls between American AAA and the American Majors.


In Baseball Prospectus 2001, I wrote that the difficulty level of Japan was "about even with the Triple-A leagues." Looking at it more comprehensively--I was basing my assessment on a scattering of players, rather than off a full list of Japanese player data--that was a silly thing to say, as the Japanese leagues have clearly and consistently rated as tougher than the American Triple-A leagues. Every case from the 1990s shows that players do worse as a CPA-weighted-average group in Japan than they do in Triple-A, and by a considerable margin. The Triple-A/majors multiplier is .860; if the transitive property holds, then Japanese EqA is worth about .948 of a major-league EqA, which conveniently enough is almost identical to what we got from major leaguers.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1330


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But lets compare the 2 the best way we can. Based on the first 4 games each pitched in the najors.

Chein-Ming Wang (vs Toronto, Tampa Bay, Seattle and Seattle. None of these teams were particularly good in 2005)

W-L: 2-1
Innings: 26 2/3
Hits: 24
ER: 13
BB: 7
K: 10
ERA: 4.39
WHIP: 1.16
K/9: 3.37
K/BB: 1.43


Daisuke Matsuzaka (Kansas City, Seattle, Toronto and New York. Clearly Matsuzaka has faced superior opposition as New York has arguably the best offense in basbeall and Toronto is a much improved team over its 2005 version)

W-L: 2-2
Innings: 27
Hits: 25
ER: 12
BB: 6
K: 10
ERA: 4.00
WHIP: 1.22
K/9: 10.33
K/BB: 5.17

They stack up amazing similar with the exception of strikeouts. Matsuzaka suceeds in this category much better, while Wang relies on a defense to play ground balls much more.

[AppGuy04]

Philip Hughes gone after 4 1/3 innings, 7 hits, 4 ER, not exactly what the Yanks needed

[UNHWildCats]

Philip Hughes gone after 4 1/3 innings, 7 hits, 4 ER, not exactly what the Yanks needed

Still better then what they've been getting xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

[AppGuy04]

Still better then what they've been getting xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

Shutout, 6-0 loss to the Jays

[Peems]

xbawlingx he only gave up 4 runs and the yanks can't produce nothing? he does his best and the O gives him just that a big fat O

[bluehenbillk]

xlolx The beat goes on in the Bronx. xlolx

[AppGuy04]

xlolx The beat goes on in the Bronx. xlolx

6 in a row nowxlolx xlolx

but ARod still leading the world in almost every statistical category

[GannonFan]

xbawlingx he only gave up 4 runs and the yanks can't produce nothing? he does his best and the O gives him just that a big fat O

Hughes didn't do all that well - granted, you want to give him some support, but he certainly had a rocky debut - he threw 91 pitches in 4 1/3 innings (with 53 strikes), gave up 7 hits and a walk in that time, and had the 4 earned runs. That's far from a quality start. He did have 5 K's but that's working real hard to get that. On the bright side for the Yanks, the kid's only 20 years old and probably will be a very good pitcher for years to come. The problem is, they need a very good pitcher (maybe 2 or 3) right now.

[NE MT GRIZZ]

Still, there is nobody that touches that guy in the game of baseball. He is just that much better than everyone else IMO.

There's a guy in St. Louis that we could make a point for.
(not based on this season yet)xbawlingx

[Peems]

Hughes didn't do all that well - granted, you want to give him some support, but he certainly had a rocky debut - he threw 91 pitches in 4 1/3 innings (with 53 strikes), gave up 7 hits and a walk in that time, and had the 4 earned runs. That's far from a quality start. He did have 5 K's but that's working real hard to get that. On the bright side for the Yanks, the kid's only 20 years old and probably will be a very good pitcher for years to come. The problem is, they need a very good pitcher (maybe 2 or 3) right now.

I was reading on ESPN how Oakland might be get rid of Harden, he would make a great yankee xnodx

[AppGuy04]

I was reading on ESPN how Oakland might be get rid of Harden, he would make a great yankee xnodx

hmmm, buying a pitching staff, why hasn't steinbrenner thought of this before?xrolleyesx

[GannonFan]

I was reading on ESPN how Oakland might be get rid of Harden, he would make a great yankee xnodx

Would the A's even trade with the Yanks? Some teams shy away from trading with the Yanks. And what would the Yanks give them in return? The A's will definitely want young talent in return - do the Yanks have anything to offer?

[UNHWildCats]

If Boston sweeps NY this weekend (Very concievable) the Yankees will be 8-15 and 8.5 outta first LOL

[dbackjon]

If Boston sweeps NY this weekend (Very concievable) the Yankees will be 8-15 and 8.5 outta first LOL

Don't get too cocky now!

[UNHWildCats]

cock where :p

[dbackjon]

cock where :p

A-Rod's

[lucchesicourt]

Why is everyone looking at last year's stats and career stats? I am looking at this years stats and injuries alone. Sure it is early, but it is injuries that will hurt the Yanks staff. Now, for next year, plenty of time to rest and recover, it would be much more reasonable to expect a season similar to 2005. But, injuries that have occurred this year, will take their toll, not only early in a season, but also later on, unless the Yankees make sure each injured pitcher gets plenty of rest. But, then lies the next problem. While these great Yankee pitchers are resting, the others are losing games. I see them rushing the pitchers back from the IR , and more injuries occurring during the season. Steinbrenner will not wait to see how far his team slips before these guys are brought back too early, IMO.
The Sox pitching staff is healthier (okay Yankee fans argue this) and that is a huge advantage. Just ask yourself, who on the Yankee's staff, has the most wins, and who has the most losses. I see a whole bunch tied with ONE win, and their losingest pitcher is their best pitcher on the staff with 2. Wouldn't this concern a Yankee fan? I guess not!!

[GannonFan]

Yup, still solidly in last place. xnodx

[appfan2008]

and may be for awhile

[UNHWildCats]

That there Chien-Ming Wang is off to a HOF start this season huh :p

[dbackjon]

Not only are the Yankees in last place in the AL East, they have the third worst record in ALL of baseball. Only KC and Washington have worse (barely) records.

[Ivytalk]

Not only are the Yankees in last place in the AL East, they have the third worst record in ALL of baseball. Only KC and Washington have worse (barely) records.

Not to worry, NY fans...there's always the Mutts!:p xrolleyesx

[Col Hogan]

It's amazing how many Yankees "fans" (here where I work) have already given up...jumped off the band wagon...with them solidly in last place.

I don't expect the Yankees to stay there, but I can hope...(I'd love to see the vein in old Georgie's forehead right about now xlolx )

[AppGuy04]

It's amazing how many Yankees "fans" (here where I work) have already given up...jumped off the band wagon...with them solidly in last place.

you are surprised by this?

[GannonFan]

Even when they get good news it all of a sudden goes very wrong for them. Hughes is cruising through a no-hitter of the hapless Rangers, looking like the stud he's rumored to be, and then he pulls a hammy and is pulled and looks like he won't be back until sometime in June. Maybe there'll be more noise about the new strength and conditioning guy the Yanks have - the guys on WFAN (well, Francessa really, Russo hates the Yanks anyway) have been moaning about the recent spat of injuries and the new guy being on board. The Yanks get the win, but now need to find another pitcher for the 5 or 6 starts minimum that Hughes will miss. Still beind TB by percentage points so, for the time being, still your last place New York Yankees. xnodx

[AppGuy04]

Oh please, the strength and conditioning coach, now thats a reach

[Col Hogan]

Oh please, the strength and conditioning coach, now thats a reach

xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

No, the sun got in their eyes...

No, wait, the gleam off the bat boys watch distracted them

Oh, The pine tar was too sticky...no, wait...the pine tar wasn't sticky enough...

I know, the whirlpool was too hot...too cold...

They could always try "But coach didn't tuck me in last night..."

[AppGuy04]

Its baseball, people get hurt, it happens, deal with it. Is it everyone else's fault that you depleated your minor leagues and have nobody to call up for some starts, NOPE! Thats what you get for trying to buy pennants year in and year out.

[Peems]

Mussina should be back soon and hopefully he can hold up. Yanks, undefeated in May!!!! xnodx

[AppGuy04]

Yanks, undefeated in May!!!! xnodx

what Yankee fans have sunk toxlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

[Col Hogan]

Oh please, the strength and conditioning coach, now thats a reach

News Flash...The Yankees have now fired their strength and conditioning coach

xlmaox xlmaox xlmaox xlmaox xlmaox

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2858274

[AppGuy04]

News Flash...The Yankees have now fired their strength and conditioning coach

xlmaox xlmaox xlmaox xlmaox xlmaox

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2858274
xrolleyesx xrolleyesx xrolleyesx xrolleyesx xrolleyesx xrolleyesx xrolleyesx xrolleyesx xrolleyesx xrolleyesx xrolleyesx

[bluehenbillk]

Pavano out for the year....shocker

[Col Hogan]

Pavano out for the year....shocker

Let's see...Pavano signs a contract for $39,950,000 before the 2005 season.

That breaks down to $9,987,500 per year

For the 2005, 2006, and small portion of the 2007 season, it comes out to about $20,000,000

He's pitched 19 games in that period, which breaks down to $1,052,632 per start.

Hell'va job if you can get it!!!!! xlmaox xlmaox xlmaox xlmaox xlmaox

[PaladinFan]

He's been more useful than Mike Hampton has been in Atlanta....

[Reed Rothchild]

Pavaon and Randy Johnson have been the biggest free-agent busts by the Yanks. Jaret Wright was also worthless.

[dbackjon]

Randy Johnson was not a free agent bust, since he was a trade.

[Reed Rothchild]

Worthless acquisitions nonetheless

[Reed Rothchild]

Yanks up 5-0 in the 1st against Seattle and have batted around.

[GannonFan]

That pesky 8 run inning by the Mariners, plus the other 7 runs, tends to put a damper on even an inning like that.

[Peems]

wang took a perfect game into the eighth before giving up a homer. yanks win 8-1.

[dbackjon]

Back tied for last...

[AZGrizFan]

Worthless acquisitions nonetheless

We're glad we could take him back off your hands...he looks pretty good in Sedona red right about now.... xnodx xnodx xnodx xnodx

[AppGuy04]

13.5 games! WOW!

[GannonFan]

13.5 games! WOW!

Hey, the more important stat - NYY trail the Detroit Tigers by 7.5 games for the Wild Card - not sure if the Yanks can catch the Tigers this year! xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

[AppGuy04]

Hey, the more important stat - NYY trail the Detroit Tigers by 7.5 games for the Wild Card - not sure if the Yanks can catch the Tigers this year! xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx xlolx

I don't think any of the top teams is apt to collapse, and thats about the only way they're gonna get in

[bluehenbillk]

The hammer coming down is imminent. If/when the Yankees lose the series against Toronto & then lose the series this weekend in Fenway at least one if not both Torre & Cashman are history.

[AppGuy04]

The hammer coming down is imminent. If/when the Yankees lose the series against Toronto & then lose the series this weekend in Fenway at least one if not both Torre & Cashman are history.

I don't think they should, but firing Torre may be the only way to send a message to this team

[GannonFan]

Firing Torre isn't going to all of a sudden solve the problems of dead bats at the bottom of the batting order (the Abreu Infection I like to call it!), the fact that Mussina is not looking great and that Clemens won't be the savior that many hope him to be, and the fact that the Yankee bullpen is just average. Oh, and the fact that their bench the worst bench they've had in more than a decade. I agree, Torre may be fired and it may be coming sooner than later, but it won't fix the Yankees woes.

[Col Hogan]

Firing Torre isn't going to all of a sudden solve the problems of dead bats at the bottom of the batting order (the Abreu Infection I like to call it!), the fact that Mussina is not looking great and that Clemens won't be the savior that many hope him to be, and the fact that the Yankee bullpen is just average. Oh, and the fact that their bench the worst bench they've had in more than a decade. I agree, Torre may be fired and it may be coming sooner than later, but it won't fix the Yankees woes.

OK, let's figure out who will manage the Yankees if/when Torre is fired.

I'd put Billy Martin on my short list if he was still alive...:D

Otherwise who will whip this motley crew into shape?

[bluehenbillk]

Firing Torre isn't going to all of a sudden solve the problems of dead bats at the bottom of the batting order (the Abreu Infection I like to call it!), the fact that Mussina is not looking great and that Clemens won't be the savior that many hope him to be, and the fact that the Yankee bullpen is just average. Oh, and the fact that their bench the worst bench they've had in more than a decade. I agree, Torre may be fired and it may be coming sooner than later, but it won't fix the Yankees woes.


I like the Abreu infection terminology, now all the Yankee fans understand.

[GannonFan]

I like the Abreu infection terminology, now all the Yankee fans understand.

New Yorkers didn't believe the Philly fans about Richie Kotite being as bad as he was and look what happened there! All we can say about Abreu is...we told ya so!!!!! xlolx xlolx xlolx :p :p :p xlolx xlolx xlolx

[Go...gate]

Looks like 1965 again. Everyone seems to be getting old at once, as it happened then.

[AppGuy04]

14 games!!!

[UNHWildCats]

14.5 :p :D:D:D:D:D

[CopperCat]

14.5 :p :D:D:D:D:D

Right where they belong......the basement.xnodx

[Mr. C]

Looks like 1965 again. Everyone seems to be getting old at once, as it happened then.
Funny, but I was thinking the very same thing this morning, listening to Baseball This Morning on XM Satellite Radio.

[Cleets]

Funny, but I was thinking the very same thing this morning, listening to Baseball This Morning on XM Satellite Radio.

losing is hard work... it takes everybody to lose...
(as they have said, we've discovered all kinds of ways to lose)

it looks like (or feels like) everybody getting old at once... but it really takes one sensational failure every nite... like letting a slow footed Aaron Hill steal home...

what's next... xwhistlex

[Col Hogan]

14.5 games back with the Sox win...


Life is good... a NY Daily News Poll has 74% of those voting saying the Bummers season is over...

Reality sucks....wait, thats 4960

[bluehenbillk]

The conversion to Mets fans has already hit third gear.

[Peems]

yanks move it to 9 in a row and boston loses again to colorado as Beckett loses his first. Garrett Atkins hit a grand slam against beckett and the lead is 7.5 cut down by seven games since the 29th of may and i am in no way saying the yanks will win the East, i'm just saying we are making our way back up.

[Ivytalk]

Whoa! Mike Torrez, call your office!:p

[Peems]

Whoa! Mike Torrez, call your office!:p

bucky dent is waiting!!!

[bluehenbillk]

God darnit! Half the lead gone already...

[Ivytalk]

GO YANKS!! EUTHANIZE THE MUTTS!!:D

[dgreco]

reverytime the red sox go in a slump the yanks play their hearts out.. red sox hell

[Peems]

if things hold up, the sox will get a game back. Cmon yanks pull it out!!!

[bluehenbillk]

Order restored, at least for one night, possibly Tavarez' last start with Lester coming back.

[Col Hogan]

Order restored, at least for one night, possibly Tavarez' last start with Lester coming back.

If Lester comes back as strong as he was last year...Tavarez just makes the bull pen that much stronger...

Tavarez has the right attitude...and is pitching his brains out lately...

[UNHWildCats]

Lester's activation for a start next week in Tavarez place was by no means a guarantee, however Tavarez came limping out of the game at the end of his final inning.

I would like to see Lester up to take his spot no matter what.

I also want to see Manny Delcarmen recalled to replace Timlin who needs to retire.

Delcarmen has been great after early struggles at Pawtucket this year.

[BigApp]

Dear Boston:
http://www.airlinepictures.net/photopost/data/514/381mirror.jpg

Yours Truly,
New York

[bluehenbillk]

Shouldn't there be smoke coming out of that jet engine, or a terrorist shooting a RPG at it?

[BigApp]

xlolx

[Cleets]

From the perspective of the rest of the world... having lived there (Seattle and Los Angeles and Baltimore Etc..) The Yankees and Red Sox are easy to hate...

They spend too much money
They have too many stupid fans
They dominate the evening sports TV scene

They are annoying... (Period)

However I suggest you live (as an experiment) in either Mid-Town Manhattan or Boston Local for more than 12 months and not become a total crack-head fan... its crazy.. The women are all over the game the bars are packed with fans the chat on the sub-way is about baseball (in both towns) it's all about baseball everywhere all the time... (Frankly it's heaven) and I don't care if you're a Yankee's fan or a Red Sox's fan... it's a ton-o-fun...

(But I understand the hate)

[bluehenbillk]

Boston's ace cruises to win #10 in a combined shutout. The only thing that could stop him was the rain.

[Col Hogan]

5237

[bandl]

Swept by the Rockies. xlolx xlolx THE ROCKIES!!! xlolx xlolx

But Hey, at least their bullpen was able to shut the Rockies out after Clemens gave up just 7 hits (2 HRs) and 4 runs through 4.1. xcoolx

[bluehenbillk]

I wonder if the market has now been set at $1M for 5 innings a week and a win snuck in there for every 3 decisions.

[NoCoDanny]

Swept by the Rockies. xlolx xlolx THE ROCKIES!!! xlolx xlolx

But Hey, at least their bullpen was able to shut the Rockies out after Clemens gave up just 7 hits (2 HRs) and 4 runs through 4.1. xcoolx


Yeah, sweep by a team with a winning record! That just took a series last week in Fenway! xthumbsupx

So don't let the facts get in the way of your smack.

[bandl]

Yeah, sweep by a team with a winning record! That just took a series last week in Fenway! xthumbsupx

Dumbass

Dumbass?? xeyebrowx Hmmm, yeah I guess a personal attack was called for. xrulesx

The Rockies were 1 game over .500 before sweeping the Yankees. Not exactly a 'stellar' record. xreadx

[bandl]

Yeah, sweep by a team with a winning record! That just took a series last week in Fenway! xthumbsupx

So don't let the facts get in the way of your smack.

You weren't quick enough to change your post from 'Dumbass' to 'So don't let the facts get in the way of your smack'....xcoolx Emotions to quick for you to handle?

[bluehenbillk]

The Yanks currently stand more than twice as close to last place as they do of catching the Sox.

[GannonFan]

I don't think the Yanks catch Boston this year unless there is some massive collection of injuries to Boston's pitching staff, starting and bullpen. They are just too deep and too solid throughout the staff to have a collapse occur, and that's not even bringing into the equation their offense, which will win a lot of games themselves.

What the Yanks need to be worried about is catching the Tigers/Indians for the Wild Card. Even after that win streak, the Yanks aren't any closer to the wild card than they were before the streak started - they still sit 6.5 games out and have to leapfrog the Twins, Mariners (those 2 shouldn't be too hard to get past), the A's, and then the Tigers/Indians whoever doesn't win the Central. Those last 3 teams have some good young pitching that will make them tough to overcome. 95 wins is the magic number for the Wild Card in the AL - 92 games left for the Yanks and they need 60 wins to reach that plateau - that's a .652 winning percentage, which isn't impossible, but a lot to ask when you only have 2 starters (Wang and Pettite)you can count on to give you a good outing everytime out and with a less than stellar bullpen. The Yanks need to pull off some mid-season trades or I don't think they'll be playing any postseason games this year.

[Ivytalk]

The Yanks need to pull off some mid-season trades or I don't think they'll be playing any postseason games this year.

Does poker count?:p

[Col Hogan]

Does poker count?:p

5280

I gotta stop eating lunch while reading AGS.....xlolx xlolx

[spelunker64]

Does poker count?:p

:D xlolx

http://www.upforanything.net/poker/wsop.jpg

[Ivytalk]

:D xlolx

http://www.upforanything.net/poker/wsop.jpg

Who's that? Brian Cashman??

:p :p

[spelunker64]

Who's that? Brian Cashman??

:p :p



Yeah, CASHman!

[bluehenbillk]

Will the last Yankee fan here turn out the lights.

[Col Hogan]

They do seem to be quietly disappearing, don't they.....

[bandl]

When was the last time the Yanks were under .500 this late in the season? xconfusedx

[Pards Rule]

HAHA Loving It!!

[bandl]

cricket chirp.........................cricket chirp.........................cricket chirp.........................




Where are the Yankees fans? xcoffeex

[bluehenbillk]

cricket chirp.........................cricket chirp.........................cricket chirp.........................




Where are the Yankees fans? xcoffeex


If they are true to form, they're already out buying Mets gear.

[Col Hogan]

When was the last time the Yanks were under .500 this late in the season? xconfusedx

In 2005, they were at .500 on this date...the ESPN chart only goes back to 2002 and I'm too lazy to check some where else right now...

But in 2005, at .500, they were only 6.5 games out of first...not the 11.5 they find themselves right now...

All the Yankees fans in my office don't want to talk baseball at all right now...spoiled sports...xlolx xlolx xlolx

[Reed Rothchild]

Its bad. I honestly don't think the Yanks will make the playoffs this year. The middle relief acquisitions made by Cashman are an absolute joke. Too many injuries to their young pitchers. They walk too many guys and look afraid to throw anything over the plate. The team absolutely cannot play small ball. They can't get a run when they need to unless Arod jacks one out. Bobby Abreu sucks.

I'll still be here though.

[bandl]

2 runs in 2 games against the O's so far... :)

At least Clemens was able to last more than 5 innings...no strike outs though, and he still took the loss. :)

[GannonFan]

Its bad. I honestly don't think the Yanks will make the playoffs this year. The middle relief acquisitions made by Cashman are an absolute joke. Too many injuries to their young pitchers. They walk too many guys and look afraid to throw anything over the plate. The team absolutely cannot play small ball. They can't get a run when they need to unless Arod jacks one out. Bobby Abreu sucks.

I'll still be here though.

We told you so - first Philly fans warn the Jets about Kotite, but did they listen??? No. And now the curse of Bobby Abreu. Don't worry, once the Yanks have no shot of making anything Abreu will warm up in September and bring his average to .300 or so - not that they'll make the postseason, but his numbers will look good. xthumbsupx

[bluehenbillk]

To put it in proper perspective, using an apples-to-apples comparison. In an equal number of starts Phillies call-up starter Kyle Kendrick has a better ERA than $1 mil per week Roger Clemens.

[GannonFan]

To put it in proper perspective, using an apples-to-apples comparison. In an equal number of starts Phillies call-up starter Kyle Kendrick has a better ERA than $1 mil per week Roger Clemens.

Yup, a cheaper, better Clemens! :p