Pro Day Results- Charlie Volker Princeton RB 40 Time debate settled

[smallcollegefbfan]

I remember someone said he ran 4.3 or low 4.4s and was the fastest RB in FCS. He is indeed not the fastest RB. However, he did test pretty well.

Here is how he did at pro day (officially)

5'11, 213
4.53-4.56 40, 1.51 10, 38 VJ, 10'9 BJ, 4.13 SS, 6.82 3-cone, 17 reps. He should indeed get a shot.

If you guys are curious on any others I can post it here.

[Gangtackle11]

Times handheld or electronic?

[JSUSoutherner]

I remember someone said he ran 4.3 or low 4.4s and was the fastest RB in FCS. He is indeed not the fastest RB. However, he did test pretty well.

Here is how he did at pro day (officially)

5'11, 213
4.53-4.56 40, 1.51 10, 38 VJ, 10'9 BJ, 4.13 SS, 6.82 3-cone, 17 reps. He should indeed get a shot.

If you guys are curious on any others I can post it here.

Pretty sure the idiot that said he was the fastest also said the Princeton QB was the best player in the FCS as well.

[FormerPokeCenter]

One of these days people are going to learn NOT to argue with me on the nuances of track speed vs football speed ;)

I believe I called my shot on my first post regarding the matter.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?215284-FCS-National-Awards-Watch-Oct-15&p=2693534&viewfull=1#post2693534

[Panther88]

@smallcollegefbfan : check out PV's QBell. He's a T&F star sprinter/football contributor. He's a converted WR to DE last fall, his only season playing defense. He did exceptionally well, considering.

Checkout what an entity wrote about him---> https://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/2019/03/small-schoolers-on-49ers/ : "Quinton Bell, DE/OLB, Prairie View A&M University – A 6' 4", 238 pound linebacker who ran a 4.38 forty yard dash at his pro day? That screams 49ers defense." . In his inaugural season of playing DE, he earned 2nd team All-SWAC.

[POD Knows]

@smallcollegefbfan : check out PV's QBell. He's a T&F star sprinter/football contributor. He's a converted WR to DE last fall, his only season playing defense. He did exceptionally well, considering.

Checkout what an entity wrote about him---> https://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/2019/03/small-schoolers-on-49ers/ : "Quinton Bell, DE/OLB, Prairie View A&M University – A 6' 4", 238 pound linebacker who ran a 4.38 forty yard dash at his pro day? That screams 49ers defense." . In his inaugural season of playing DE, he earned 2nd team All-SWAC.Wow, that is moving for a guy that size. Could be special, who knows. Good luck to him.

[BEAR]

How about former UCA RB Cedric Battle. Heard he ran a pretty fast speed at the pro day at UCA. But I don't know all the stats.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Times handheld or electronic?

Hand held and that means he would be an electronic 4.6.

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One of these days people are going to learn NOT to argue with me on the nuances of track speed vs football speed ;)

I believe I called my shot on my first post regarding the matter.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?215284-FCS-National-Awards-Watch-Oct-15&p=2693534&viewfull=1#post2693534

I agreed with you. It is very different.

[smallcollegefbfan]

@smallcollegefbfan : check out PV's QBell. He's a T&F star sprinter/football contributor. He's a converted WR to DE last fall, his only season playing defense. He did exceptionally well, considering.

Checkout what an entity wrote about him---> https://www.nfldraftdiamonds.com/2019/03/small-schoolers-on-49ers/ : "Quinton Bell, DE/OLB, Prairie View A&M University – A 6' 4", 238 pound linebacker who ran a 4.38 forty yard dash at his pro day? That screams 49ers defense." . In his inaugural season of playing DE, he earned 2nd team All-SWAC.

Be very careful with draft websites. The only one who has real NFL scout times is Draft Scout. The others like Draft Diamonds use times from agents and players who have a friend or trainer use their phone and you just can't get accurate times using that method.

[smallcollegefbfan]

How about former UCA RB Cedric Battle. Heard he ran a pretty fast speed at the pro day at UCA. But I don't know all the stats.

Which pro day did he attend? I don't see Central Arkansas in our system. It goes from Cal to Central Conn, Central Fl, Cent Mich, etc.

[BEAR]

https://twitter.com/UCA_Football/status/1105496634778152960




Which pro day did he attend? I don't see Central Arkansas in our system. It goes from Cal to Central Conn, Central Fl, Cent Mich, etc.

[BEAR]

UCA has a pro day every year.

[Panther88]

Be very careful with draft websites. The only one who has real NFL scout times is Draft Scout. The others like Draft Diamonds use times from agents and players who have a friend or trainer use their phone and you just can't get accurate times using that method.

Understood. Most are decently curious about QBell because he’s been a 100m/200m sprinter who was top-5 T&F in the SWAC recently.

It was known that he has speed but he couldn’t catch a cold if someone sickly sneezed on him lol. Hence his transition to defense.

[smallcollegefbfan]

https://twitter.com/UCA_Football/status/1105496634778152960

So the actual UCA pro day. The scout just has not loaded it in the system yet. I'll check again on Monday and Tuesday.

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UCA has a pro day every year.

I know. Just making sure he indeed worked out there and they did not mean Arkansas or some other FBS school pro day.

[smallcollegefbfan]

Understood. Most are decently curious about QBell because he’s been a 100m/200m sprinter who was top-5 T&F in the SWAC recently.

It was known that he has speed but he couldn’t catch a cold if someone sickly sneezed on him lol. Hence his transition to defense.

I understand that. I had been told he is a test freak but one of those players who really needs to develop in a league for a year or two before he plays in the NFL ideally.

[BEAR]

image: http://walterfootball.com/college/NorthDakotaState_logo.gif
http://walterfootball.com/college/NorthDakotaState_logo.gif North Dakota State
Here were the North Dakota State pro day numbers:



Player
Position
Height
Weight
Off. 40 Time
Unoff. 40 Time
10-Yd Split
Bench
3-cone
Vert
Broad
Hand
Arm



Bruce Anderson


RB


5-11


210


4.58


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22


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--


--


--




Colin Conner


OL


6-5


309


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--


25


--


28.5


--


--


--




Jalen Allison


DB


6-0


188


--


--


--


--


--


35.5


--


--


--




Darrius Shepherd


WR


5-11


188


--


--


--


--


--


35.5


--


--


--




Robbie Grimsley


S


6-0


194


--


--


--


23


--


--


--


--


--




Tanner Volson


OL


6-4


306


--


--


--


24


--


--


--


--


--




Aaron Steidl


DT


6-2


292


--


--


--


20


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Read more: http://walterfootball.com/proday.php#ixzz5jrsWuk45

Read more at http://walterfootball.com/proday.php#mPO8lfJZcVxE3LX6.99

[WestCoastAggie]

In your opinion, who do you think messed up the FAMU Pro Day?

[Redbird 4th & short]

I remember someone said he ran 4.3 or low 4.4s and was the fastest RB in FCS. He is indeed not the fastest RB. However, he did test pretty well.

Here is how he did at pro day (officially)

5'11, 213
4.53-4.56 40, 1.51 10, 38 VJ, 10'9 BJ, 4.13 SS, 6.82 3-cone, 17 reps. He should indeed get a shot.

If you guys are curious on any others I can post it here.

The analysis on his stride and height versus his top end speed was dead on. Note, he had a very good 10 yard split from his forty ... not just good, but very very good .. granted hand held. But his forty time as a mutiple of his 10 yard split is not strogn at all. Also had a good 20 yd shuttle and vertical. Anyway, great acceleration and quicks, but his top end speed is nothing special.

Edit: adding this link and giving props to formerpoke for his deadon analysis on this stride and physical attributes

https://www.strengthcoach.com/public/1744.cfm

[CenMEBlackBearFan]

This is a link to Hero sports who took FCS school's proday's and compared a bunch of times and results. I have no idea if every school is in this or not. If you scroll to the bottom you can check other position players.

https://herosports.com/nfl/draft-2019-f ... TwjOTYWuko (https://herosports.com/nfl/draft-2019-fcs-pro-days-tight-ends-top-marks-ajaj?fbclid=IwAR2JmQ9vXR5FVCY6mHzt3VWVqXWA8yvA6Rxf oBRmYmvo_x9W8TwjOTYWuko)

[BEAR]

This is a link to Hero sports who took FCS school's proday's and compared a bunch of times and results. I have no idea if every school is in this or not. If you scroll to the bottom you can check other position players.

https://herosports.com/nfl/draft-2019-f ... TwjOTYWuko (https://herosports.com/nfl/draft-2019-fcs-pro-days-tight-ends-top-marks-ajaj?fbclid=IwAR2JmQ9vXR5FVCY6mHzt3VWVqXWA8yvA6Rxf oBRmYmvo_x9W8TwjOTYWuko)

Yeah it doesn't look like all the schools are included. No big deal. Maybe the schools didn't release all the details or who knows. But nevertheless those are some pretty good times for FCS players. Nicholls has a beast it appears. xdrunkyx

[Panther88]

This is a link to Hero sports who took FCS school's proday's and compared a bunch of times and results. I have no idea if every school is in this or not. If you scroll to the bottom you can check other position players.

https://herosports.com/nfl/draft-2019-f ... TwjOTYWuko (https://herosports.com/nfl/draft-2019-fcs-pro-days-tight-ends-top-marks-ajaj?fbclid=IwAR2JmQ9vXR5FVCY6mHzt3VWVqXWA8yvA6Rxf oBRmYmvo_x9W8TwjOTYWuko)

I've been on the DE QBell train since he was switched from O to D last fall. I, along w/ many others, hoped he excelled offensively at WR but it never came to fruition.

He's putting up skill position type #s because he's been a skill position player for a duration. His calling naturally became defense due to his inability to catch passes at a respectable rate. I'm not shocked to see his 40 time & running performance because he was a respected T&F sprinter.

[smallcollegefbfan]

If you guys can be patient I should have all of the FCS pro day results by the middle of next week. I'll post in a spreadsheet on here that is not missing anyone legit and has all schools. I also will have what numbers NFL teams are using and not what agents are giving to the media. Just ask you be patient. This is taking me a while to collect but I'm getting all the sheets. So far I'm just missing Bethune, SDSU, NDSU, EWU, and PVAMU and maybe 1 or 2 more.

[smallcollegefbfan]

In your opinion, who do you think messed up the FAMU Pro Day?

Where would you place the blame? FAMU usually has a pro day but they are a FCS school without prospects so no team went. They did not have a player on any lists thus no reason to go. They have had them in the past. Hopefully the agents of those kids got them in other school pro days. NFL teams go where they believe there are prospects and thus they don't believe FAMU has any prospects.

[FUBeAR]

If you guys can be patient I should have all of the FCS pro day results by the middle of next week. I'll post in a spreadsheet on here that is not missing anyone legit and has all schools. I also will have what numbers NFL teams are using and not what agents are giving to the media. Just ask you be patient. This is taking me a while to collect but I'm getting all the sheets. So far I'm just missing Bethune, SDSU, NDSU, EWU, and PVAMU and maybe 1 or 2 more.
Will this info include FCS Players that participated in non-FCS schools’ pro-days?

[BEAR]

If you guys can be patient I should have all of the FCS pro day results by the middle of next week. I'll post in a spreadsheet on here that is not missing anyone legit and has all schools. I also will have what numbers NFL teams are using and not what agents are giving to the media. Just ask you be patient. This is taking me a while to collect but I'm getting all the sheets. So far I'm just missing Bethune, SDSU, NDSU, EWU, and PVAMU and maybe 1 or 2 more.

Time's up. You had your chance. xtroublex xlolx (like we could really do anything) xlolx

[CenMEBlackBearFan]

Sterling Sheffield who was our all everything LB had a very good pro day plus this 2018 highlights weren't bad either- https://t.co/QEGatzcdZf

[Redbird 4th & short]

The analysis on his stride and height versus his top end speed was dead on. Note, he had a very good 10 yard split from his forty ... not just good, but very very good .. granted hand held. But his forty time as a mutiple of his 10 yard split is not strogn at all. Also had a good 20 yd shuttle and vertical. Anyway, great acceleration and quicks, but his top end speed is nothing special.

Edit: adding this link and giving props to formerpoke for his deadon analysis on this stride and physical attributes

https://www.strengthcoach.com/public/1744.cfm

another article withmore insights .. basically. anyone running the 1st 10 at 1.5 level, should be running the last 30 in 3.0 or less. Again, the 1.5 is very very good (think explosion/burst), but the athletes with top end speed requires the last 30 to be under 3.0 obviuosly .. so the 1.50 + 3.0 -s solid 4.5. Guys who run 4.4 and sub 4.4 are the ones really flying for the last 30 or 20 ... breakwy speed. Volcker is great athlete be he appears to be topped out due to his stride limits per formerpoke.

http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/40yarddashassessment1.html

[BEAR]

Interesting. Thought I saw this posted on here before but never looked at it:

The breakdown of FCS draft picks by school in the 2010s:
7 - Appalachian State and Montana
6 - South Carolina State
5 - Central Arkansas, Eastern Washington and William & Mary
4 - Chattanooga, Coastal Carolina, Illinois State, Maine, North Dakota State, Samford and Tennessee State
3 - Delaware, Eastern Illinois, Georgia Southern, James Madison, Northern Iowa, Princeton, Richmond, Southern Illinois, Southern Utah and Villanova
2 - Florida A&M, Fordham, Harvard, Jacksonville State, Missouri State, Montana State, Murray State, North Carolina A&T, Northwestern State, Portland State, Sam Houston State, South Dakota, South Dakota State, Southeastern Louisiana, Stephen F. Austin, Towson, The Citadel, Weber State, Yale and Youngstown State
1 - Alabama A&M, Alabama State, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, Brown, Bucknell, Cal Poly, Cornell, Delaware State, Drake, Eastern Kentucky, Elon, Furman, Georgia State, Grambling State, Hampton, Lamar, Lehigh, Liberty, Marist, Massachusetts, Monmouth, New Hampshire, North Carolina Central, Penn, Presbyterian, San Diego, Southeast Missouri, Texas Southern, UT Martin, Wagner and Western Carolina

http://www.fcs.football/cfb/story.asp?i=20190411103423356631704

[Redbird 4th & short]

another article withmore insights .. basically. anyone running the 1st 10 at 1.5 level, should be running the last 30 in 3.0 or less. Again, the 1.5 is very very good (think explosion/burst), but the athletes with top end speed requires the last 30 to be under 3.0 obviuosly .. so the 1.50 + 3.0 -s solid 4.5. Guys who run 4.4 and sub 4.4 are the ones really flying for the last 30 or 20 ... breakwy speed. Volcker is great athlete be he appears to be topped out due to his stride limits per formerpoke.

http://www.higher-faster-sports.com/40yarddashassessment1.html

one last post (I promise) to beat this topic to death ... Usain Bolt was clocked as the fastest human ever. But even that statement has to be qualified. Below shows the 100m splits in 10m increments ... so it is not yards, but meters are about 10% longer than yards .. so adjust for that in your head.

Look at Bolt's 1st 10m ... pretty below average ... that might translate to at best 1.65 seconds for 10 yards. But then look at his next 30m ... the 1.85 for 10m and the 4.65 for th first 40m .. that means he ran the next 30m in 2.8 seconds ... which might be closer to 2.6 if it were 30 yards (not meters). Not done even yet ... Bolt is fastest human ever, but does NOT reach his peak speed until the 50 to 80 meter range, with 60 to 70 being his peak speed and when he ran the fastes 27.8 mph ever recorded.

So to put this whole breakaway speed and stride thing in perspective, here is difference between Volcker and Bolt, using my rough conversion to yards for Bolt:

- First 10 yards: Volker 1.51 seconds, Bolt 1.65 seconds .. Volker has comfortable lead
- Next 30 yards: Volker 3.05, Bolt 2.65 or better ... Bolt pulls way easily
- Total 40 yards: Volker 4.56, Bolt 4.30 ... this is breakway speed, and he's not done accelerating. This is what makes Bolt a freak and fastest ever .. his stride .. and you;ll notice he always is coming from behind the pack the first 50 yards before he pulls away.

Again, Volckers first 10 yards is very very good, but his breakway speed is average. Having seen these measurables, he might get a long look at Slot Receiver .. or maybe move to safety ?


http://speedendurance.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/berlin2009beijing2008usainbolt10msplits-thumb.jpg (http://speedendurance.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/berlin2009beijing2008usainbolt10msplits.jpg)

[NDSUtk]

one last post (I promise) to beat this topic to death ... Usain Bolt was clocked as the fastest human ever. But even that statement has to be qualified. Below shows the 100m splits in 10m increments ... so it is not yards, but meters are about 10% longer than yards .. so adjust for that in your head.

Look at Bolt's 1st 10m ... pretty below average ... that might translate to at best 1.65 seconds for 10 yards. But then look at his next 30m ... the 1.85 for 10m and the 4.65 for th first 40m .. that means he ran the next 30m in 2.8 seconds ... which might be closer to 2.6 if it were 30 yards (not meters). Not done even yet ... Bolt is fastest human ever, but does NOT reach his peak speed until the 50 to 80 meter range, with 60 to 70 being his peak speed and when he ran the fastes 27.8 mph ever recorded.

So to put this whole breakaway speed and stride thing in perspective, here is difference between Volcker and Bolt, using my rough conversion to yards for Bolt:

- First 10 yards: Volker 1.51 seconds, Bolt 1.65 seconds .. Volker has comfortable lead
- Next 30 yards: Volker 3.05, Bolt 2.65 or better ... Bolt pulls way easily
- Total 40 yards: Volker 4.56, Bolt 4.30 ... this is breakway speed, and he's not done accelerating. This is what makes Bolt a freak and fastest ever .. his stride .. and you;ll notice he always is coming from behind the pack the first 50 yards before he pulls away.

Again, Volckers first 10 yards is very very good, but his breakway speed is average. Having seen these measurables, he might get a long look at Slot Receiver .. or maybe move to safety ?


http://speedendurance.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/berlin2009beijing2008usainbolt10msplits-thumb.jpg (http://speedendurance.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/berlin2009beijing2008usainbolt10msplits.jpg)That's also what made watching him so fun. Bolt was always losing the 100 in the first 25M and then it was see you later!

[FormerPokeCenter]

Since a portion of this thread deal with speed, here's what true speed looks like...

This kid's a HS senior and he had 4.2 mph tail win, but - still....9.98 in the 100 meters is freaking phenomenal. Look at how badly he beats the other kids...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejoAhVDhA5w&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3_Tth 1NozjSLv7jV6oNe0XWyzDq1oNiSenxcW6a8r_Vt3ciJDZlA8SO Jg