The Great CAA Massacre of 2018

[FUGameBreaker]

Yeah...that 4,000 people that went to the game really made the NCAA a bunch of money.

Flying a team from Louisiana to Iowa to play in front of 4,000 people definitely filled the pockets to the top of the NCAA.

If they wanted money - they'd have taken Montana who would draw 5 times what UNI did and definitely would have bid more to the NCAA


Its not about crowd size its about bid, doubt Montana even bid xthumbsupx UNI bought themselves into the playoffs 100%

[FUGameBreaker]

You really have no clue.



So you dispute 5 losses and trounced by Youngstown lol

[kalm]

Its not about crowd size its about bid, doubt Montana even bid xthumbsupx UNI bought themselves into the playoffs 100%

They don’t open the bids until the field is set.

But I’m sure UNI went ahead and took a bath anyway in order to get a 6-5 team in.

[BisonBacker]

They don’t open the bids until the field is set.

But I’m sure UNI went ahead and took a bath anyway in order to get a 6-5 team in.

Not to mention that awesome crowd of 4k that showed up for the game xlolx

[FUGameBreaker]

Not to mention that awesome crowd of 4k that showed up for the game xlolx



Between the big bid they put in and the small crowd I am sure they lost a ton of money

[FUBeAR]

For a Furman fan, it's strange that you're ignoring SoS here.

Regarding insular....

EWU last year played TTU, NDSU and Fordham OOC, finished 7-4 and didn't get in. In the past, we've played OOC games against SHSU, and Nicholls. EWU has home and homes scheduled with WIU and JSU the next two seasons. We still need to fill a couple of spots and would gladly accept a h2h with any Socon.

Montana State this year played two MVFC and an NEC OOC.

Montana played two MVFC and a pioneer OOC.

Davis played Stanford, San Jose State, and San Diego.

This season, the conference had 8 games with MVFC, one with the Ivy, 2 against the Pioneer, 1 against the NEC, and 1 against the SLC in addition to FBS games. Over the past few years (off the top of my head) BSC teams have played Brown, Yale, ACU, McNeese, SHSU, App State, Drake, Wagner, ST. Francis, Fordham, several SWAC's and pretty much every MVFC team.

Hardly insular and even more importantly, challenging.So...if I look at this the sensical way, NDak NOT Big Sky & games between Big Sky Teams as Conference games, then you are correct, it is not insular. 13 Teams played 41 OOC games for an average of over 3 / Team. Fair enough...all good. Here’s how those games worked out...

Overall OOC record 18-23
vs. FBS 2-12 (2 wins over pretty darn awful FBS Teams, SJSU & UTEP, but still WINS)
vs. FCS Scholarship Teams 8-11
vs. FCS Non-Scholarship 3-0
vs. ALL FCS 11-11
vs. ALL D1 13–23
vs. Non D1 5-0

So, let’s ONLY look at those 8 wins over FCS Scholarship Teams because, as has been repeated many times, SoCon Teams get NO credit for losing to SEC Teams, so...certainly no need to look at how challenging FCS games were if they are lost, right.

MSU beat WIU by 3 (5-6; not a playoff Team)
UM beat UNI by 3 (6-5; bubble playoff Team)
MSU beat Wagner by 23 (4-7; not a playoff Team; less than full Scholarship Team)
Weber beat USD by 17 (4-7; not a playoff Team)
Idaho State beat UND by 4 (6-5; not a playoff Team)
Weber beat UND by 5 (6-5; not a playoff Team)
Idaho beat UND by 4 (6-5; not a playoff Team)
NAU beat UND by 15 (6-5; not a playoff Team)

2 crappy FBS wins, 1 decent FCS OOC win (Montana over UNI)...and that’s it.

How does that demonstrate 3 Teams being 3 of the best 8 in FCS? Particularly in light of Playoff performance in the past 2 years.

I just don’t see it.


(BTW - this has NOTHING to do with Furman; so you can drop that schtick in your anticipated rebuttal)

[clenz]

Between the big bid they put in and the small crowd I am sure they lost a ton of moneySee. Uni saved you money by getting in

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[Bisonoline]

Its not about crowd size its about bid, doubt Montana even bid xthumbsupx UNI bought themselves into the playoffs 100%

Again you have no clue. Unless you are just posting stupid **** to troll. Either way you are wrong.

[kalm]

So...if I look at this the sensical way, NDak NOT Big Sky & games between Big Sky Teams as Conference games, then you are correct, it is not insular. 13 Teams played 41 OOC games for an average of over 3 / Team. Fair enough...all good. Here’s how those games worked out...

Overall OOC record 18-23
vs. FBS 2-12 (2 wins over pretty darn awful FBS Teams, SJSU & UTEP, but still WINS)
vs. FCS Scholarship Teams 8-11
vs. FCS Non-Scholarship 3-0
vs. ALL FCS 11-11
vs. ALL D1 13–23
vs. Non D1 5-0

So, let’s ONLY look at those 8 wins over FCS Scholarship Teams because, as has been repeated many times, SoCon Teams get NO credit for losing to SEC Teams, so...certainly no need to look at how challenging FCS games were if they are lost, right.

MSU beat WIU by 3 (5-6; not a playoff Team)
UM beat UNI by 3 (6-5; bubble playoff Team)
MSU beat Wagner by 23 (4-7; not a playoff Team; less than full Scholarship Team)
Weber beat USD by 17 (4-7; not a playoff Team)
Idaho State beat UND by 4 (6-5; not a playoff Team)
Weber beat UND by 5 (6-5; not a playoff Team)
Idaho beat UND by 4 (6-5; not a playoff Team)
NAU beat UND by 15 (6-5; not a playoff Team)

2 crappy FBS wins, 1 decent FCS OOC win (Montana over UNI)...and that’s it.

How does that demonstrate 3 Teams being 3 of the best 8 in FCS? Particularly in light of Playoff performance in the past 2 years.

I just don’t see it.


(BTW - this has NOTHING to do with Furman; so you can drop that schtick in your anticipated rebuttal)

Ummmmm...because their resumes, including SoS, W-L, margin of vicotry, et al are better than #9 and up?

Not that hard to see.

[FUBeAR]

Ummmmm...because their resumes, including SoS, W-L, margin of vicotry, et al are better than #9 and up?

Not that hard to see.
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Got it.

[Catbooster]

I get it...and based on the geography, I can understand ‘labeling’ games with Big Sky Teams as non-Conference games. That said, it still makes no sense to label games with non-Big Sky Teams (North Dakota - an FCS Independent Team in 2018) as Conference games, while, in the same season, playing an actual Big Sky Team and labeling that game a non-Conference game. I read all of the reasons why that is supposed to make sense, but none of them held water. I guess that nonsense ends after next season...so I won’t have to trouble my furry head with it after then.

So, is there any rhyme, reason, or rules as to which Teams label which games with which Teams as non-conference? Are some of those games Conference games for 1 Big Sky Team, but non-Conference games for their Big Sky opponents?

Do you have any suggestions how the Big Sky can be fairly evaluated when their 9 game (real) Conference schedule and lack of OOC FCS renders them so insular? I just don’t see how anyone can look at the BSC’s performance in the past 2 year’s Playoffs and say, “Yep, 3 Teams in that conference deserve seeds.” Sure, EWU had a very good run in 2016 & Weber had a nice run last year, but most BSC Playoff Teams lost their 1st Playoff games to SoCon, CAA, and 2x to non-schollie PFL Teams. Look, EWU, UCD, and Weber may be the 3 greatest Teams in the history of FCS Football, but there’s just no evidence (yet) that points to that; other than their 9-2 records achieved in an insular way in a Conference that has performed (mostly) poorly in the Playoffs the past 2 years - their primary OOC tests during that time frame. I did think Montana State looked pretty good last week, but they played a Team that had played 0 OOC FCS games...so, who knows.

It's really not that difficult.
1. UND was in the Big Sky.
2. They got the opportunity to switch to the MVFC, which makes a lot of sense for them given the geography, so UND decided to leave the Big Sky.
3. This happened in a fairly short time frame. The Big Sky conference schedules were already set for the next few years and totally scrapping the schedules, forcing all of the schools to re-work their schedules in a short amount of time didn't make sense. It would have been an ordeal for all of the schools and really would have screwed UND.
4. The Big Sky decided to treat UND as a conference member that was ineligible for the conference championship or the auto-berth to the playoffs.

That's it. You saw what a mess the MEAC made of Hampton leaving.

For the other part - conference mates being non-conference games - after the conference sets the schedules they allow us to schedule games against conference members that are not on our schedule that year. The games set by the conference are officially conference games. If two of our schools schedule a game that isn't on the official conference schedule, it's considered a non-conference game (although IIRC it can enter into conference tie-breakers). Not really that complex.

There are several reasons schools do that. MSU and EWU had an agreement that they would play a non-conf game if they didn't meet in a conference game. They wanted to play each other every year. Other schools have done it because it's hard to get FCS non-conf opponents out here because of travel distances and the lack of FCS schools that aren't in the Big Sky (San Diego is the only non-Big Sky FCS school in this neck of the woods and are still a long way from most of us). The alternative is to play a FBS or a D-II school usually. It's generally better to play a Big Sky school non-conf than that.

Montana and MSU are generally the two exceptions. We both "need" to have 6 home games. Two of the non-conf games can be alternating home/away's but the 3rd has to be a one-off home game. We can afford to fly someone out here for a one-off because of our ticket sales, but usually the only schools that will do it for what we can pay are the lower scholarship teams, which lets us schedule teams like you can do out east.

[Catbooster]

Its not about crowd size its about bid, doubt Montana even bid xthumbsupx UNI bought themselves into the playoffs 100%

I have no doubt Montana bid for the playoffs. Bids were due Nov 12th. At that time UM was 6-4 and there was a chance they'd make the playoffs. If their AD hadn't bid and they made the playoffs, he'd probably be looking for a new job. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd bid with a losing season at that point. I would. Too many unknowns to bet your job on the outcome at that point.

[ElCid]

It's really not that difficult.
1. UND was in the Big Sky.
2. They got the opportunity to switch to the MVFC, which makes a lot of sense for them given the geography, so UND decided to leave the Big Sky.
3. This happened in a fairly short time frame. The Big Sky conference schedules were already set for the next few years and totally scrapping the schedules, forcing all of the schools to re-work their schedules in a short amount of time didn't make sense. It would have been an ordeal for all of the schools and really would have screwed UND.
4. The Big Sky decided to treat UND as a conference member that was ineligible for the conference championship or the auto-berth to the playoffs.

That's it. You saw what a mess the MEAC made of Hampton leaving.

For the other part - conference mates being non-conference games - after the conference sets the schedules they allow us to schedule games against conference members that are not on our schedule that year. The games set by the conference are officially conference games. If two of our schools schedule a game that isn't on the official conference schedule, it's considered a non-conference game (although IIRC it can enter into conference tie-breakers). Not really that complex.

There are several reasons schools do that. MSU and EWU had an agreement that they would play a non-conf game if they didn't meet in a conference game. They wanted to play each other every year. Other schools have done it because it's hard to get FCS non-conf opponents out here because of travel distances and the lack of FCS schools that aren't in the Big Sky (San Diego is the only non-Big Sky FCS school in this neck of the woods and are still a long way from most of us). The alternative is to play a FBS or a D-II school usually. It's generally better to play a Big Sky school non-conf than that.

Montana and MSU are generally the two exceptions. We both "need" to have 6 home games. Two of the non-conf games can be alternating home/away's but the 3rd has to be a one-off home game. We can afford to fly someone out here for a one-off because of our ticket sales, but usually the only schools that will do it for what we can pay are the lower scholarship teams, which lets us schedule teams like you can do out east.

Makes perfect sense to me. Unfortunate for you all, but makes sense given the circumstances. Nice explanation.

[kalm]

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Got it.

Surrender accepted.

[FUBeAR]

Makes perfect sense to me. Unfortunate for you all, but makes sense given the circumstances. Nice explanation.
Yes - excellent & thorough explanation. Thank you.

I had been able to glean most of that from the 9,999 partial explanations, replete with ad hominem attacks, that I received when I became aware of the Is/Isn’t a Conference game situation in the Big Sky at the beginning of this season and asked (ok, snarkily asked, AKA, criticized) [about] it then.

I get it...but it is COMPLEX as all H-E-double hockey sticks. Anything involving 13/14 Teams is complex! Just glad the UND half-in/half-out complexity will be going away after 2019. Sounds like the ‘identitying’ of some games as non-Conference games will continue...and I get the geographic/financial necessity of that. Still complicated though, to an ‘outsider.’

Still don’t see any possible / reasonable / logical justification, beyond their 9-2 records, compiled mostly against ‘internal’ and/or inferior competition, for 3 seeds going to the Big Sky. I do think all 4 Teams should have been IN (this year)...and maybe this year (as opposed to the 2 prior years) those 3 Teams will prove their worthiness in the Playoffs.

We’ll know in a few days.

Good Luck in Fargo, Catbooster. I don’t think anyone, except bizuns fans, would mind seeing the Death Star get blown up this week...or any week.

[FUBeAR]

Surrender accepted.
Not surrender; abdication.

[uni88]

It's really not that difficult.
1. UND was in the Big Sky.
2. They got the opportunity to switch to the MVFC, which makes a lot of sense for them given the geography, so UND decided to leave the Big Sky.
3. This happened in a fairly short time frame. The Big Sky conference schedules were already set for the next few years and totally scrapping the schedules, forcing all of the schools to re-work their schedules in a short amount of time didn't make sense. It would have been an ordeal for all of the schools and really would have screwed UND.
4. The Big Sky decided to treat UND as a conference member that was ineligible for the conference championship or the auto-berth to the playoffs.

That's it. You saw what a mess the MEAC made of Hampton leaving.

For the other part - conference mates being non-conference games - after the conference sets the schedules they allow us to schedule games against conference members that are not on our schedule that year. The games set by the conference are officially conference games. If two of our schools schedule a game that isn't on the official conference schedule, it's considered a non-conference game (although IIRC it can enter into conference tie-breakers). Not really that complex.

There are several reasons schools do that. MSU and EWU had an agreement that they would play a non-conf game if they didn't meet in a conference game. They wanted to play each other every year. Other schools have done it because it's hard to get FCS non-conf opponents out here because of travel distances and the lack of FCS schools that aren't in the Big Sky (San Diego is the only non-Big Sky FCS school in this neck of the woods and are still a long way from most of us). The alternative is to play a FBS or a D-II school usually. It's generally better to play a Big Sky school non-conf than that.

Montana and MSU are generally the two exceptions. We both "need" to have 6 home games. Two of the non-conf games can be alternating home/away's but the 3rd has to be a one-off home game. We can afford to fly someone out here for a one-off because of our ticket sales, but usually the only schools that will do it for what we can pay are the lower scholarship teams, which lets us schedule teams like you can do out east.Thank you for explaining it better than I did.

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[kalm]

Still don’t see any possible / reasonable / logical justification, beyond their 9-2 records, compiled mostly against ‘internal’ and/or inferior competition, for 3 seeds going to the Big Sky. I do think all 4 Teams should have been IN (this year)...and maybe this year (as opposed to the 2 prior years) those 3 Teams will prove their worthiness in the Playoffs.

We’ll know in a few days.



There are literally 100's of posts on why. Start with the fact that conference affiliation is not a factor. Then look at SoS. The next team most people thought deserved a seed was JMU. Their SoS was 38 compared to EWU 6, Davis, 11, Weber 13. JMU had 3 decent wins but none of them better and probably not as good as the best wins from the other 3. Oh...and they lost one more game. Who else would you have seeded instead of the three Big Sky 9-2's?

You're either trolling or literally don't understand logic and how this all works.

[ElCid]

There are literally 100's of posts on why. Start with the fact that conference affiliation is not a factor. Then look at SoS. The next team most people thought deserved a seed was JMU. Their SoS was 38 compared to EWU 6, Davis, 11, Weber 13. JMU had 3 decent wins but none of them better and probably not as good as the best wins from the other 3. Oh...and they lost one more game. Who else would you have seeded instead of the three Big Sky 9-2's?

You're either trolling or literally don't understand logic and how this all works.

There were not many alternatives.

Davis got theirs for being 9-2 against an all FCS schedule and a scalp, albeit a weak one, and only losing to a another 9-2 team and FBS.
Weber got theirs for a 9-2 record against an all FCS schedule, including beating EWU, and only losing to FBS and a middling team on the road.
EWU got theirs for a 8-2 FCS record and only losing to FBS and another 9-2, and putting up copious amounts of style points throughout.

But I get it.

I think what he is saying is EWU got in despite not having to play the 3, 4, or #5 BSC teams. Davis got in without playing the 3, 4, or #6 BSC teams. Weber got in without playing #2 or 6 BSC teams.

Big picture, for the Big Sky, like the CAA, you have to admit this gives teams in those conferences a little leg up (record'wise) in being able to avoid the conf best. The stars do not always align, and sometimes a team draws all the best, but on average teams can avoid at least one or two tough teams each and every year. In the BSC this year, people were lucky to draw S Utah or Sac St or N Colorado. In the CAA they were lucky to draw Richmond or W&M or Albany. I get the scheduling thing. It is what it is, but the result is the same regardless of what causes it, the records of those with inferior opponent draws will always be boosted. I would love ditch Wofford or Samford or Furman for a year and replace it with, say Campbell or Tenn Martin or Tenn St instead, if they were in our conf. But it is what it is. And none of this is to say that EWU, Weber, or Davis are not good. I suspect at least one may be in the finals. We will see that progress in a couple days.

And that was little too much thought on a fine crisp November morning when I was supposed to have started putting up my Christmas lights. Still waiting for it to go above freezing.xlolx

[FUBeAR]

There are literally 100's of posts on why. Start with the fact that conference affiliation is not a factor. Then look at SoS. The next team most people thought deserved a seed was JMU. Their SoS was 38 compared to EWU 6, Davis, 11, Weber 13. JMU had 3 decent wins but none of them better and probably not as good as the best wins from the other 3. Oh...and they lost one more game. Who else would you have seeded instead of the three Big Sky 9-2's?

You're either trolling or literally don't understand logic and how this all works.
abdicated...

...we’ll know in 3 days if they were worthy...although they are all set up pretty sweet with home games, a week off, long travel by opponents, and weak Conf. (#2 OVC, SLC) or low finishing (6-5) opponents.

Go Colonels, Panthers, and Redhawks!

Pulling for the Bobcats though!!

[ElCid]

abdicated...

...we’ll know in 3 days if they were worthy...although they are all set up pretty sweet with home games, a week off, long travel by opponents, and weak Conf. (#2 OVC, SLC) or low finishing (6-5) opponents.

Go Colonels, Panthers, and Redhawks!

Pulling for the Bobcats though!!

I always pull for the underdogs, something in my nature. Unless the underdogs are playing my Dogs, then I rout for the overDogs.

[FUBeAR]

I think what he is saying is EWU got A SEED despite not having to play the 3, 4, or #5 BSC teams. Davis got A SEED without playing the 3, 4, or #6 BSC teams. Weber got A SEED without playing #2 or 6 BSC teams....AND...without ANY TRULY good OOC wins...to invalidate the potential for circular logic/confirmation bias permeating & skewing the SoS upward. Beating 2 awful FBS Teams, that are rated lower than many, many FCS Teams; and only 1 (6-5) FCS Playoff Team, just doesn’t correlate with meriting 3 seeds.

Sorry...re-abdicating

[uni88]

...AND...without ANY TRULY good OOC wins...to invalidate the potential for circular logic/confirmation bias permeating & skewing the SoS upward. Beating 2 awful FBS Teams, that are rated lower than many, many FCS Teams; and only 1 (6-5) FCS Playoff Team, just doesn’t correlate with meriting 3 seeds.

Sorry...re-abdicatingWho would you have replaced them with as seeds?

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[kalm]

...AND...without ANY TRULY good OOC wins...to invalidate the potential for circular logic/confirmation bias permeating & skewing the SoS upward. Beating 2 awful FBS Teams, that are rated lower than many, many FCS Teams; and only 1 (6-5) FCS Playoff Team, just doesn’t correlate with meriting 3 seeds.

Sorry...re-abdicating

Please list the top 3 OOC wins for ALL of the SoCon and while you’re at it, list JMU’s best OOC win along with SDSU, NDSU, and Colgate’s.

[IBleedYellow]

For a Furman fan, it's strange that you're ignoring SoS here.

Regarding insular....

EWU last year played TTU, NDSU and Fordham OOC, finished 7-4 and didn't get in. In the past, we've played OOC games against SHSU, and Nicholls. EWU has home and homes scheduled with WIU and JSU the next two seasons. We still need to fill a couple of spots and would gladly accept a h2h with any Socon.

Montana State this year played two MVFC and an NEC OOC.

Montana played two MVFC and a pioneer OOC.

Davis played Stanford, San Jose State, and San Diego.

This season, the conference had 8 games with MVFC, one with the Ivy, 2 against the Pioneer, 1 against the NEC, and 1 against the SLC in addition to FBS games. Over the past few years (off the top of my head) BSC teams have played Brown, Yale, ACU, McNeese, SHSU, App State, Drake, Wagner, ST. Francis, Fordham, several SWAC's and pretty much every MVFC team.

Hardly insular and even more importantly, challenging.


What sucks is the committee didn't even reward those with difficult SOS with a playoff bid.

NDSU kind of figured that out and we went back to ****ty OOC SOS. So dumb.

[clenz]

It's why uni fans hate it scheduling

We play 6 top 25 teams in the mvfc. Why are we scheduling home and homes with Montana, EWU, SUU, WSU, etc..?

UNI is going to go 5-3 or better in the mvfc almost yearly. Play a schedule where you're grabbing 2 OOC wins rather than going to California, Utah, Montana, Washington for road games against top 25 teams


Just hideously dumb

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[Gangtackle11]

What sucks is the committee didn't even reward those with difficult SOS with a playoff bid.

NDSU kind of figured that out and we went back to ****ty OOC SOS. So dumb.

Yes, the selection committee doesn’t reward SOS teams very often. Nova has an OCC schedule of 2 PL teams every year now. Actually went a bit overboard by adding new FCS member Merrimack to next season’s schedule, It’s obvious after back to back 5-6 seasons that our AD took the foot off the scheduling pedal. xpeacex

[Sycamore62]

It's why uni fans hate it scheduling

We play 6 top 25 teams in the mvfc. Why are we scheduling home and homes with Montana, EWU, SUU, WSU, etc..?

UNI is going to go 5-3 or better in the mvfc almost yearly. Play a schedule where you're grabbing 2 OOC wins rather than going to California, Utah, Montana, Washington for road games against top 25 teams


Just hideously dumb

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Do you think the problem is "who will play you"? Our fans complain about our OOC schedule sometimes and I wonder if it has more to do with whether we want 4 home games or which teams will even entertain a H/H with us.

[clenz]

Do you think the problem is "who will play you"? Our fans complain about our OOC schedule sometimes and I wonder if it has more to do with whether we want 4 home games or which teams will even entertain a H/H with us.Not really.

I won't get into it here but I have many times on our forum.

It's more a matter of a gigantic myth our last AD sold about UNI being too poor to get home games while simultaneously feeding his ego and getting his rocks off scheduling the biggest names he could to home and homes.

UNI fans bought his lies and still do to an extent. Next year is the first year we haven't dealt with his schedules - he's been gone for 2.5 years now. Our new AD has continued this crap scheduling and now that UNI fans are starting to wake from the like coma our previous ad sold he's facing a decent amount of backlash to it

Look at our schedules before 2009. The scumbag AD we had was here from 08-16. Check the schedules pre him taking over. Then compare to 2010 through 2018

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[FUBeAR]

Please list the top 3 OOC wins for ALL of the SoCon and while you’re at it, list JMU’s best OOC win along with SDSU, NDSU, and Colgate’s.
Nah...I’ll just post the SoCon’s OOC results for THIS year...

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[The Boogie Down]

...And then there was one.

[IBleedYellow]

CAAnt

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[RootinFerDukes]

Well this is an inconvenient tweet for this thread's narrative.

@FCS_Stats
Maine has continued CAA Football's streak of having a quarterfinalist in every season since 1991. During the streak, 12 different CAA schools have played in the quarterfinals.

[IBleedYellow]

One team out of six.

Lol

[Bisonator]

Well this is an inconvenient tweet for this thread's narrative.

@FCS_Stats
Maine has continued CAA Football's streak of having a quarterfinalist in every season since 1991. During the streak, 12 different CAA schools have played in the quarterfinals.
Yeah well when you get a quarter of the field to start with.......xcoffeex

[RootinFerDukes]

Yeah well when you get a quarter of the field to start with.......xcoffeex

Ya'll are really stretching it to try and justify Indiana State deserving to get in. If this were a normal year, it would've been 4 or 5 CAA teams and Elon is out. Why's it our fault the bubble was so weak?

I know getting as many bids as the SLC is humbling, to say the least.

[Bisonator]

Ya'll are really stretching it to try and justify Indiana State deserving to get in. If this were a normal year, it would've been 4 or 5 CAA teams and Elon is out. Why's it our fault the bubble was so weak?

I know getting as many bids as the SLC is humbling, to say the least.
At least our teams win a few games......xcoffeex

[fc97]

Ya'll are really stretching it to try and justify Indiana's State deserving to get in. If this were a normal year, it would've been 4 or 5 CAA teams and Elon is out. Why's it our fault the bubble was so weak?

I know getting as many bids as the SLC is humbling, to say the least.

I'm not even sure Elon is out then, Incarnate word was last one in.

[UNHWildcat18]

At least our teams win a few games......xcoffeex

Yeah JMU played its worst possible game and lost by 3 at the very end..... after 5 turnovers......
Towson not showing up for the second half is a disgrace and they deserved to lose.
SBU was up 14-0 in a game where they looked way better than SEMO, they had 404 yards to 240, dominated TOP, they had THREE TURNOVERS in the third that gave up 21 points off short field. the other was a punt that went out at the SBU 40.... SBU beats them 9-10 times.
Elon.... what lost to the best team in the soconn in a close game without a handful of starters..... no problem with their loss.


The whole is way overrated CAA is a bit over the top. 3/4 teams implode with 4/5 turnovers in their worst games of the season. Towson is the only non excusable one.
I think overall we don't have a team worth going to the NC this year, still better than most of the field 9/10 times

I posted this in our commentary but thought I'd paste it here. Everything that could go wrong for us in the playoffs, has gone wrong. Except for Maine...so far

[Bisonator]

Yeah JMU played its worst possible game and lost by 3 at the very end..... after 5 turnovers......
Towson not showing up for the second half is a disgrace and they deserved to lose.
SBU was up 14-0 in a game where they looked way better than SEMO, they had 404 yards to 240, dominated TOP, they had THREE TURNOVERS in the third that gave up 21 points off short field. the other was a punt that went out at the SBU 40.... SBU beats them 9-10 times.
Elon.... what lost to the best team in the soconn in a close game without a handful of starters..... no problem with their loss.


The whole is way overrated CAA is a bit over the top. 3/4 teams implode with 4/5 turnovers in their worst games of the season. Towson is the only non excusable one.
I think overall we don't have a team worth going to the NC this year, still better than most of the field 9/10 times

I posted this in our commentary but thought I'd paste it here. Everything that could go wrong for us in the playoffs, has gone wrong. Except for Maine...so far



Lots of excuses..........funny how all those teams had their worst games of the season during the first round of the playoffs playing teams outside the CAA........xcoffeex

[RootinFerDukes]

What was UNI's excuse in their "win" and loss? They somehow managed to lose twice in the playoffs.

[Bisonator]

What was UNI's excuse in their "win" and loss? They somehow managed to lose twice in the playoffs.
Well they didn't get to play a CAA team like JMU did to get their "win", maybe JMU managed to lose twice too......xcoffeex

[clenz]

What was UNI's excuse in their "win" and loss? They somehow managed to lose twice in the playoffs.
Not a single person has made an excuse for UNI's loss - least of all UNI fans.

Our offense wasn't good this year.
There was no balance.
The play calling was the same as it's always been - bad.
The majority of UNI fans didn't think UNI "deserved" a bid.

The "win" was still a win. Sure, it was a piss poor offensive game - aka a normal offensive game for UNI. The defense put UNI in position to win.
The loss at Poly was disappointing to watch play out because it was once again the defense doing enough to let the offense go win the game...and the offense not being put in a position to win a game.

According to Mr. Chicken the loss doesn't really count as a loss because it was on the road to a higher ranked team. Thus it doesn't really count as a loss.

[Gil Dobie]

Not a single person has made an excuse for UNI's loss - least of all UNI fans.

Our offense wasn't good this year.
There was no balance.
The play calling was the same as it's always been - bad.
The majority of UNI fans didn't think UNI "deserved" a bid.

The "win" was still a win. Sure, it was a piss poor offensive game - aka a normal offensive game for UNI. The defense put UNI in position to win.
The loss at Poly was disappointing to watch play out because it was once again the defense doing enough to let the offense go win the game...and the offense not being put in a position to win a game.

According to Mr. Chicken the loss doesn't really count as a loss because it was on the road to a higher ranked team. Thus it doesn't really count as a loss.

Think I had more confidence in UNI than most UNI fans.

[fc97]

Lots of excuses..........funny how all those teams had their worst games of the season during the first round of the playoffs playing teams outside the CAA........xcoffeex

No excuses from me. The thing is, everyone here talks Elon should have been left out. We lost, in a good game against Wofford. Would have been nice to go the other way, but, it was a good and enjoyable game to watch overall.
James Madison lost by 3 last Saturday in a good game. Madison imploded, but, overall a competitive game to watch.
Delaware lost in a close game to James Madison. A good game.
Maine is in the Quarters.

If you focus on Delaware, JMU, Elon and Maine; I think you see teams that competed and showed that there should be no problem with them being included.

Towson's and SBU's games were inexcusable.

If you're really questioning who didn't belong and you choose to leave out Elon; SBU and Towson getting smacked STILL happens.




I really don't like that "worst game of the year". COme on, that COULD be because the other team played good defense as much as an offense choking.

[caribbeanhen]

Rhode Island
New Hampshire
Villanova

all would of had a better day than Towson and Stony

[Bison56]

Lots of excuses..........funny how all those teams had their worst games of the season during the first round of the playoffs playing teams outside the CAA........xcoffeex

Reminds me of 6 championship games, every team had their worst game of the year in Frisco against NDSU.

[caribbeanhen]

Reminds me of 6 championship games, every team had their worst game of the year in Frisco against NDSU.

well there is some truth to that statement

[Redbird 4th & short]

Reminds me of 6 championship games, every team had their worst game of the year in Frisco against NDSU.
uh .. worst minute & half

[Bison Fan in NW MN]

uh .. worst minute & half


I think I aged 5 years in the last 5 minutes of the game....xnodxxrotatehx

[UNHWildcat18]

Towson's and SBU's games were inexcusable.

If you're really questioning who didn't belong and you choose to leave out Elon; SBU and Towson getting smacked STILL happens.




I really don't like that "worst game of the year". COme on, that COULD be because the other team played good defense as much as an offense choking.

Sorry but no, SBU turned the ball over 3 times in a quarter in their own half with a punt also going out at their 40..... they dominated time of possession and overall yards, SBU wins that game 9/10 times.

[UNHWildcat18]

Lots of excuses..........funny how all those teams had their worst games of the season during the first round of the playoffs playing teams outside the CAA........xcoffeex

maybe worst game of the season isn't a good way to describe it but overall the 4/5 turnovers is rather uncharacteristic, I just think all of the banter about how overrated we are is a little over the top. Even know we are having a down year for sure.

[FUBeAR]

all of the banter about how overrated we are is a little over the top.Ignoring, as appropriate, the intraconference matchup, the CAA, so far, is 1-4 in the Playoffs. Those 4 losses were to an OVC runner-up, one of 3 1st Place SoCon Teams, a Patriot League Team, and a reduced scholarship NEC Team.

With all of the previous crowing about how the CAA is THE premier FCS Conference or, at least 1 of the 2 best FCS Conferences from the media...

https://caasports.com/news/2018/11/18/caa-football-makes-history-as-six-teams-selected-to-fcs-playoff-field.aspx (https://caasports.com/news/2018/11/18/caa-football-makes-history-as-six-teams-selected-to-fcs-playoff-field.aspx)

https://herosports.com/fcs/football-2018-colonial-caa-playoff-teams-cici

https://wtop.com/sports-columns/2018/11/college-football-corner-the-best-conference-look-nearby/

...and from CAA fans, is it really possible to be “over the top” in assessing the disastrous playoff performance of all CAA Teams (except Maine); and, thus, the ‘rating’ of the CAA, which enabled having 6 Teams in the Playoffs in the 1st place?

I haven’t seen any articles (or CAA fan comments) saying...”Upon further review, the 2018 CAA is really no better than the SoCon, the OVC, the Patriot League, or even the reduced-Scholarship NEC; maybe worse.” All of those Conferences include Teams that defeated CAA Teams and have registered just as many (or more) Playoff wins than the CAA has so far.

As is oft-quoted (and oft-misquoted), Proverbs 16:18 says, “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.”

The CAA has been destroyed in this year’s Playoffs and taken quite a fall. Best to swallow that pride & shed that haughty spirit (even if Maine wins it all) until August 2019. Then, we’ll all be undefeated and ready for our Teams and our Conferences to conquer the world...or at least “FCS World.”

[MR. CHICKEN]

[QUOTE=clenz;2725726]Not a single person has made an excuse for UNI's loss - least of all UNI fans.

Our offense wasn't good this year.
There was no balance.
The play calling was the same as it's always been - bad.
The majority of UNI fans didn't think UNI "deserved" a bid.

The "win" was still a win. Sure, it was a piss poor offensive game - aka a normal offensive game for UNI. The defense put UNI in position to win.
The loss at Poly was disappointing to watch play out because it was once again the defense doing enough to let the offense go win the game...and the offense not being put in a position to win a game.

According to Mr. Chicken the loss doesn't really count as a loss because it was on the road to a higher ranked team. Thus it doesn't really count as a loss.

.......UH LOSS IS UH LOSS......SO TWIST/SPIN ALLYA WANT.........UH LOSS ON DUH ROAD....TA HIGHER RANKED TEAM......IS EXPECTED.....SUPPOSED TA HAPPEN......AN' IFIN'....LOWER RANKED SHOOD WIN....UPSET....BRAWK!

...YER JES' PEED.....'CAUSE WE GOT SIX.........AN'.......BATTERY DEAD...IN DUH TRACTOR.........BRAWK!

.....AN' YER MISERY VALLEY BUDDY....THUMPER.....SAYS....."ON DUH ROAD....IS UH DIFFERENT ANIMAL".................AWK!

[maine612]

Been a lot of interesting conversations the last couple of months on what conference is better than another, etc. Same at FBS. The SEC has such a big love affair with each other I really thought Alabama would find a way to "wink-wink" lose to Georgia so the kings of the south could have two teams in the playoffs. With that all said, I don't really get it. Does an arbitrary group of colleges (most you would normally abhor because of rivalry) really deserve your emotion. I frankly could care less about the CAA as an entity and don't care where they rank. I want Maine to win the CAA title and that's about as much as I think about it.

612

[MR. CHICKEN]

Been a lot of interesting conversations the last couple of months on what conference is better than another, etc. Same at FBS. The SEC has such a big love affair with each other I really thought Alabama would find a way to "wink-wink" lose to Georgia so the kings of the south could have two teams in the playoffs. With that all said, I don't really get it. Does an arbitrary group of colleges (most you would normally abhor because of rivalry) really deserve your emotion. I frankly could care less about the CAA as an entity and don't care where they rank. I want Maine to win the CAA title and that's about as much as I think about it.

612

.....GOOD FO' YA.....BOO-BOO........AH'M NOT LETTIN' FANS....FROM UH ONE TEAM CONFERENCE........WHOSE RIDIN'....DUH ONE TEAM'S REPUTATION.......KEEP BEAK IN AIR...OVERAH DUH CAA........AWK!

[maine612]

.....GOOD FO' YA.....BOO-BOO........AH'M NOT LETTIN' FANS....FROM UH ONE TEAM CONFERENCE........WHOSE RIDIN'....DUH ONE TEAM'S REPUTATION.......KEEP BEAK IN AIR...OVERAH DUH CAA........AWK!

Love it Mr. Chicken! Over the years, the CAA has done just fine.

612

[FUBeAR]

Been a lot of interesting conversations the last couple of months on what conference is better than another, etc. Same at FBS. The SEC has such a big love affair with each other I really thought Alabama would find a way to "wink-wink" lose to Georgia so the kings of the south could have two teams in the playoffs. With that all said, I don't really get it. Does an arbitrary group of colleges (most you would normally abhor because of rivalry) really deserve your emotion. I frankly could care less about the CAA as an entity and don't care where they rank. I want Maine to win the CAA title and that's about as much as I think about it.

612There is 1 cold-hearted, logical reason to care about success of ‘your’ Conference’s Football Teams. Perception & Strength of Schedule(s) matter when At-Large Playoff bids are being considered. If Maine doesn’t win the AutoBid, they still have a shot (obviously, this year) at the Playoffs & the National Championship IF the CAA is viewed a strong conference and the games played against those CAA Teams by Maine help Maine’s SoS, relative to Team’s under consideration for at-large bids.

For example, I think Mercer’s loss to Yale & The Citadel’s loss to Towson played a significant part in Furman, though a SoCon Tri-Champion, not receiving an at-large bid this year. Certainly there were other factors - melt down @ ETSU, getting punked by Elon - but those 2 OOC losses by SoCon Teams that Furman beat mattered a lot also, IMO.

[FUBeAR]

.....GOOD FO' YA.....BOO-BOO........AH'M NOT LETTIN' FANS....FROM UH ONE TEAM CONFERENCE........WHOSE RIDIN'....DUH ONE TEAM'S REPUTATION.......KEEP BEAK IN AIR...OVERAH DUH CAA........AWK!
My 1st response to Mr. Chicken - this is EXCITING!

From my roost, it apppears that the CAA is a one Team Conference this year. Is that a cheep shot?

[fc97]

I haven’t seen any articles (or CAA fan comments) saying...”Upon further review, the 2018 CAA is really no better than the SoCon, the OVC, the Patriot League, or even the reduced-Scholarship NEC; maybe worse.” All of those Conferences include Teams that defeated CAA Teams and have registered just as many (or more) Playoff wins than the CAA has so far.

Look man, you run your mouth quite a bit. And here's one where, really, you kill yourself with your own smack attempt. Simply putting "playoff win" as a category for measuring a conference is, well, overall silly. App and GSU fans thumped their chest over the SoCon in the 2000s. But I mean, in reality, they and Furman were good. Wofford was solid. But simply measuring a conference on playoff wins is not good enough. Elon, Western, UTC, VMI drug the conference numbers down.

That's simply the case here. Wofford beat Elon, Elon played a good game. But I mean, if that's the angle you want to play; I'd respond with this. You're telling me that the SoCon co-champ is only a 12 point winner over the 6th place CAA team missing 11 starters? Or that Elon, the 6th place CAA team, is a 38 point winner over another SoCon co-champ?

Or that the bottom CAA teams are rated drastically higher than those in the SoCon, NEC and OVC?

I really don't like the whole "my conference is better than yours". It's stupid. None of us "went to a conference". And even if people say a conference is better than another, who effing? There are 8 teams left in the playoffs.

Big Sky: 3
MVFC: 2
CAA: 1
Patriot: 1
Big South: 1

If anyone should be complaining, it should be Big Sky fans, not SoCon or OVC fans.

[MR. CHICKEN]

My 1st response to Mr. Chicken - this is EXCITING!

From my roost, it apppears that the CAA is a one Team Conference this year. Is that a cheep shot?

...HOW MANY BEARS.....ARE IN DIS PLACE.....xconfusedx......AWK!

[UNHWildcat18]

Ignoring, as appropriate, the intraconference matchup, the CAA, so far, is 1-4 in the Playoffs. Those 4 losses were to an OVC runner-up, one of 3 1st Place SoCon Teams, a Patriot League Team, and a reduced scholarship NEC Team.

With all of the previous crowing about how the CAA is THE premier FCS Conference or, at least 1 of the 2 best FCS Conferences from the media...

https://caasports.com/news/2018/11/18/caa-football-makes-history-as-six-teams-selected-to-fcs-playoff-field.aspx (https://caasports.com/news/2018/11/18/caa-football-makes-history-as-six-teams-selected-to-fcs-playoff-field.aspx)

https://herosports.com/fcs/football-2018-colonial-caa-playoff-teams-cici

https://wtop.com/sports-columns/2018/11/college-football-corner-the-best-conference-look-nearby/

...and from CAA fans, is it really possible to be “over the top” in assessing the disastrous playoff performance of all CAA Teams (except Maine); and, thus, the ‘rating’ of the CAA, which enabled having 6 Teams in the Playoffs in the 1st place?

I haven’t seen any articles (or CAA fan comments) saying...”Upon further review, the 2018 CAA is really no better than the SoCon, the OVC, the Patriot League, or even the reduced-Scholarship NEC; maybe worse.” All of those Conferences include Teams that defeated CAA Teams and have registered just as many (or more) Playoff wins than the CAA has so far.

As is oft-quoted (and oft-misquoted), Proverbs 16:18 says, “Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.”

The CAA has been destroyed in this year’s Playoffs and taken quite a fall. Best to swallow that pride & shed that haughty spirit (even if Maine wins it all) until August 2019. Then, we’ll all be undefeated and ready for our Teams and our Conferences to conquer the world...or at least “FCS World.”

Agree to Disagree my friend. To be fair I didn't think we deserved 6 teams and would have left SBU at home and put in Indiana State.

UD-JMU cannibal game, doesn't matter.

Towson-NEC champ that full counter at 60 not 45 otherwise they wouldn't play FBS umass. No excuse, no words for it. Go Dukes

A limping Elon without a handful of key starters goes in and does not get destroyed by the soconn co-champ, they crushed the other in Furman, and ETSU they did not play.

SBU- As I previously stated was up 14-0 at half and dominated every aspect of the game. SEMO to scoring drives were all in one quarter.
INT at the at the SBU 24 ->TD
Fumble at the SBU 38 -> TD
bad punt at SBU 40 ->TD
INT at SBU 38-> TD
A loss is a loss but I am sorry I don't think SEMO could have been gotten a bigger gift.

The following round JMU has 5 interceptions vs Colgate......FIVE, game was still down to the wire.. Again Colgate played their butts off but they don't stand a chance without 5 turnovers.

Maine beats the OVC champ 55-27.

I get it, any "reasoning" I put is yes an excuse, and of course 1-4 on paper looks awful.
It's a paper massacre, not when you really look at the games is all. A down year for the CAA for sure. Like you said, just gotta wait till everyone is undefeated next August.

[FUBeAR]

...HOW MANY BEARS.....ARE IN DIS PLACE.....xconfusedx......AWK!
Only 1 FU BeAR
https://www.thepurplestore.com/images/products/big/19663_b.jpg

[UNHWildcat18]

Look man, you run your mouth quite a bit. And here's one where, really, you kill yourself with your own smack attempt. Simply putting "playoff win" as a category for measuring a conference is, well, overall silly. App and GSU fans thumped their chest over the SoCon in the 2000s. But I mean, in reality, they and Furman were good. Wofford was solid. But simply measuring a conference on playoff wins is not good enough. Elon, Western, UTC, VMI drug the conference numbers down.

That's simply the case here. Wofford beat Elon, Elon played a good game. But I mean, if that's the angle you want to play; I'd respond with this. You're telling me that the SoCon co-champ is only a 12 point winner over the 6th place CAA team missing 11 starters? Or that Elon, the 6th place CAA team, is a 38 point winner over another SoCon co-champ?

Or that the bottom CAA teams are rated drastically higher than those in the SoCon, NEC and OVC?

I really don't like the whole "my conference is better than yours". It's stupid. None of us "went to a conference". And even if people say a conference is better than another, who effing? There are 8 teams left in the playoffs.

Big Sky: 3
MVFC: 2
CAA: 1
Patriot: 1
Big South: 1

If anyone should be complaining, it should be Big Sky fans, not SoCon or OVC fans.

lol Ooooooo good one

[FUBeAR]

Agree to Disagree my friend. To be fair I didn't think we deserved 6 teams and would have left SBU at home and put in Indiana State.

UD-JMU cannibal game, doesn't matter.

Towson-NEC champ that full counter at 60 not 45 otherwise they wouldn't play FBS umass. No excuse, no words for it. Go Dukes

A limping Elon without a handful of key starters goes in and does not get destroyed by the soconn co-champ, they crushed the other in Furman, and ETSU they did not play.

SBU- As I previously stated was up 14-0 at half and dominated every aspect of the game. SEMO to scoring drives were all in one quarter.
INT at the at the SBU 24 ->TD
Fumble at the SBU 38 -> TD
bad punt at SBU 40 ->TD
INT at SBU 38-> TD
A loss is a loss but I am sorry I don't think SEMO could have been gotten a bigger gift.

The following round JMU has 5 interceptions vs Colgate......FIVE, game was still down to the wire.. Again Colgate played their butts off but they don't stand a chance without 5 turnovers.

Maine beats the OVC champ 55-27.

I get it, any "reasoning" I put is yes an excuse, and of course 1-4 on paper looks awful.
It's a paper massacre, not when you really look at the games is all. A down year for the CAA for sure. Like you said, just gotta wait till everyone is undefeated next August.


Look man, you run your mouth quite a bit. And here's one where, really, you kill yourself with your own smack attempt. Simply putting "playoff win" as a category for measuring a conference is, well, overall silly. App and GSU fans thumped their chest over the SoCon in the 2000s. But I mean, in reality, they and Furman were good. Wofford was solid. But simply measuring a conference on playoff wins is not good enough. Elon, Western, UTC, VMI drug the conference numbers down.

That's simply the case here. Wofford beat Elon, Elon played a good game. But I mean, if that's the angle you want to play; I'd respond with this. You're telling me that the SoCon co-champ is only a 12 point winner over the 6th place CAA team missing 11 starters? Or that Elon, the 6th place CAA team, is a 38 point winner over another SoCon co-champ?

Or that the bottom CAA teams are rated drastically higher than those in the SoCon, NEC and OVC?

I really don't like the whole "my conference is better than yours". It's stupid. None of us "went to a conference". And even if people say a conference is better than another, who effing? There are 8 teams left in the playoffs.

Big Sky: 3
MVFC: 2
CAA: 1
Patriot: 1
Big South: 1

If anyone should be complaining, it should be Big Sky fans, not SoCon or OVC fans.

Hey, if y’all choose to ignore Proverbs 16:18, that’s on you. FUBeAR don’t care.

[AmsterBison]

Think I had more confidence in UNI than most UNI fans.

That's because Bison fans, like me, only saw their game against NDSU - and that's a game they probably prepared all year for.

[kalm]

Look man, you run your mouth quite a bit. And here's one where, really, you kill yourself with your own smack attempt. Simply putting "playoff win" as a category for measuring a conference is, well, overall silly. App and GSU fans thumped their chest over the SoCon in the 2000s. But I mean, in reality, they and Furman were good. Wofford was solid. But simply measuring a conference on playoff wins is not good enough. Elon, Western, UTC, VMI drug the conference numbers down.

That's simply the case here. Wofford beat Elon, Elon played a good game. But I mean, if that's the angle you want to play; I'd respond with this. You're telling me that the SoCon co-champ is only a 12 point winner over the 6th place CAA team missing 11 starters? Or that Elon, the 6th place CAA team, is a 38 point winner over another SoCon co-champ?

Or that the bottom CAA teams are rated drastically higher than those in the SoCon, NEC and OVC?

I really don't like the whole "my conference is better than yours". It's stupid. None of us "went to a conference". And even if people say a conference is better than another, who effing? There are 8 teams left in the playoffs.

Big Sky: 3
MVFC: 2
CAA: 1
Patriot: 1
Big South: 1

If anyone should be complaining, it should be Big Sky fans, not SoCon or OVC fans.

Good points. You should at least measure playoff wins from the quarterfinals and after. Both the CAA and the SoCon have benefited over the years due to geography and getting to host a bunch of PL, NEC, and back in the day, MEAC teams in the opening round(s). Meanwhile you had a team like WIU last season who finished 8-3, with their only losses to playoff teams and an FBS win, have to go on the road in the opening round to a 9-2 Weber State who then got rewarded with playing their second round game at Big Sky AQ SUU who was also 9-2.

Regionalization hurts western teams. The matchups are more difficult, there's more travel, and as a result lower odds of multiple teams even making it to the quarters to build the conference bragging rights resume.

The same occurs in the regular season with scheduling. I'm not blaming the CAA and SoCon for taking advantage of scheduling weak FCS teams OOC, but there really shouldn't be much complaining about why SoS is an important metric. If anything, it should be more heavily regarded by voters and the committee (Furman's tough OOC this season notwithstanding.)

There's more to it than just simply saying we're the SoCon or the CAA therefore we deserve more bids which I've seen mentioned several times.

[MR. CHICKEN]

Good points. You should at least measure playoff wins from the quarterfinals and after. Both the CAA and the SoCon have benefited over the years due to geography and getting to host a bunch of PL, NEC, and back in the day, MEAC teams in the opening round(s). Meanwhile you had a team like WIU last season who finished 8-3, with their only losses to playoff teams and an FBS win, have to go on the road in the opening round to a 9-2 Weber State who then got rewarded with playing their second round game at Big Sky AQ SUU who was also 9-2.

Regionalization hurts western teams. The matchups are more difficult, there's more travel, and as a result lower odds of multiple teams even making it to the quarters to build the conference bragging rights resume.

The same occurs in the regular season with scheduling. I'm not blaming the CAA and SoCon for taking advantage of scheduling weak FCS teams OOC, but there really shouldn't be much complaining about why SoS is an important metric. If anything, it should be more heavily regarded by voters and the committee (Furman's tough OOC this season notwithstanding.)

There's more to it than just simply saying we're the SoCon or the CAA therefore we deserve more bids which I've seen mentioned several times.

....SEVERAL CAA'S...HAD SKEDS IN TEENS TA LOW TWENTIES......AH BRING UP SOS.....IN LOTTAH SPATS/TIFFS.......WHIFF DUH....BULLHEADED.......AWQ!

[kalm]

....SEVERAL CAA'S...HAD SKEDS IN TEENS TA LOW TWENTIES......AH BRING UP SOS.....IN LOTTAH SPATS/TIFFS.......WHIFF DUH....BULLHEADED.......AWQ!

I'm not saying they're terrible, by any means and the conference slate certainly helps, but there's often an absence of difficult OOC games other than the FBS opponents. Same with the SoCon and SLC. I'd just like to see more matchups like Towson-Citadel, Elon-Furman, Samford-Kennesaw, Chatty-JSU.

[MR. CHICKEN]

I'm not saying they're terrible, by any means and the conference slate certainly helps, but there's often an absence of difficult OOC games other than the FBS opponents. Same with the SoCon and SLC. I'd just like to see more matchups like Towson-Citadel, Elon-Furman, Samford-Kennesaw, Chatty-JSU.

....&.........DELAWARE/NORFF DAKOTA STATE.........WM & MARY/COLGATE.............BRAWK!

[cx500d]

I'm not saying they're terrible, by any means and the conference slate certainly helps, but there's often an absence of difficult OOC games other than the FBS opponents. Same with the SoCon and SLC. I'd just like to see more matchups like Towson-Citadel, Elon-Furman, Samford-Kennesaw, Chatty-JSU.
Maybe if Furman would quit ducking Colgate....

[kalm]

....&.........DELAWARE/NORFF DAKOTA STATE.........WM & MARY/COLGATE.............BRAWK!

Yep!

[caribbeanhen]

My 1st response to Mr. Chicken - this is EXCITING!

From my roost, it apppears that the CAA is a one Team Conference this year. Is that a cheep shot?

one year does not make a legend, You know they broke up the Beatles and Paul put is old lady in the Band and went on a tear of #1's in the 70's

Kind of LIke the Bison, who could name Kliemens old lady as coach and still win the title

Paul McCartney and Wings as the MVFC has come to be known

[Redbird 4th & short]

one year does not make a legend, You know they broke up the Beatles and Paul put is old lady in the Band and went on a tear of #1's in the 70's

Kind of LIke the Bison, who could name Kliemens old lady as coach and still win the title

Paul McCartney and Wings as the MVFC has come to be known

If my memory and math skills are working on a late friday afternoon, I tallied this right before the 2017 playoffs a year ago .. I believe the "Wings" are 23-13 in FCS playoff games against non-MVFC teams dating back to 2011. And yes, that excludes the Bison record of 26-1 in that time frame. And I don't think any other conference is much above .500 in that same time frame .. most are below .500.

So those "wings" aren't too bad in comparison to rest of FCS. xnodx

[FUBeAR]

one year does not make a legend, You know they broke up the Beatles and Paul put is old lady in the Band and went on a tear of #1's in the 70's

Kind of LIke the Bison, who could name Kliemens old lady as coach and still win the title

Paul McCartney and Wings as the MVFC has come to be known
I see.

So, maybe like The Allman Brothers...and Gregg Allman, after Duane was killed.

And...they were Macon-based...and Mercer is in Macon...so you’re saying Mercer is the next NDSU.

Right?

[RootinFerDukes]

Well, this thread isn’t aging very well.

[BisonFan02]

Well, this thread isn’t aging very well.

I'm not convinced the Maine offense would cross midfield against NDSU.

[Bison56]

Well, this thread isn’t aging very well.

You going to ride Maines coat tails?:D

[UNHWildcat18]

I'm not convinced the Maine offense would cross midfield against NDSU.

Ugh can’t you guys go to bed, the whole game was just NDSU fans babbling about how big their junk is every play of the game

[jmu007]

You going to ride Maines coat tails?:D

Works for the rest of the MVFC ;)

[RootinFerDukes]

Works for the rest of the MVFC ;)

OH SNAP!

[Bison56]

Works for the rest of the MVFC ;)

Cant argue that xlolx

[maine612]

CAA is alive and well.

612

[uni88]

Well, this thread isn’t aging very well.Why? Because Maine is Snow White and JMU, Townson, SBU, Elon and Delawhere are the 5 dwarves?

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[FUBeAR]

Why? Because Maine is Snow White and JMU, Townson, SBU, Elon and Delawhere are the 5 dwarves?

Sent from my XT1650 using TapatalkGood call, but Cinderella & 5 Ugly Stepsisters works better for FUBeAR.

[maine612]

A member of the CAA has reached the semifinal for 6 straight years for whatever that is worth. Outside of NDSU, which I recognize is untouchable and the best program in FCS history, I believe that is fairly good performance.

612

[FUBeAR]

A member of the CAA has reached the semifinal for 6 straight years for whatever that is worth. Outside of NDSU, which I recognize is untouchable and the best program in FCS history, I believe that is fairly good performance.

612That is a fine accomplishment. Made me wonder about something; so I looked it up..

In the 25 Seasons between 1983 & 2007, 21 current or former SoCon Teams played in the I-AA/FCS Championship Game in 19 of those years, winning 12 National Championships.

During those same 25 Seasons, 31 current or former SoCon Teams played in the I-AA/FCS Semi-Finals in 22 of those years, including 12 straight (‘85-‘96). Only in 1984, 1997, and 2004 was there not a current or former SoCon Team in the Semi-Finals. Furman, Wofford, Samford, Western Carolina, Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, and Marshall all made Semi-Finals appearances during those years with only Woffford & Samford not advancing, at least once, to the Championship Game & all of the others, except Western Carolina, winning at least 1 National Championship.


...Then, as the Excedrin ad from the 80’s said...”life got tougher.”

But, hope springs eternal & to paraphrase Coach Jefferson Davis in his 1868 letter from England to Coach Dudley Mann...

“The SoCon will rise again!”

[MR. CHICKEN]

That is a fine accomplishment. Made me wonder about something; so I looked it up..

In the 25 Seasons between 1983 & 2007, 21 current or former SoCon Teams played in the I-AA/FCS Championship Game in 19 of those years, winning 12 National Championships.

During those same 25 Seasons, 31 current or former SoCon Teams played in the I-AA/FCS Semi-Finals in 22 of those years, including 12 straight (‘85-‘96). Only in 1984, 1997, and 2004 was there not a current or former SoCon Team in the Semi-Finals. Furman, Wofford, Samford, Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, and Marshall all made Semi-Finals appearances during those years with only Woffford & Samford not advancing, at least once, to the Championship Game & winning at least 1 National Championship.


...Then, as the Excedrin ad from the 80’s said...”life got tougher.”

But, hope springs eternal & to paraphrase Coach Jefferson Davis in his 1868 letter from England to Coach Dudley Mann...

“The SoCon will rise again!”

........AN'.......EAGLES/MUSKETEERS.........PROLLY........RANG UP....MOS'...O' DEM NUMBERS..........PROPPED UP YER CONFERENCE.....JES'....LIKE DUH GREEN WAVE.....IN FARGO....NOT OKAY....TA WAVE...OL' DIXIE...........AWK!

[FUBeAR]

........AN'.......EAGLES/MUSKETEERS.........PROLLY........RANG UP....MOS'...O' DEM NUMBERS..........PROPPED UP YER CONFERENCE.....JES'....LIKE DUH GREEN WAVE.....IN FARGO....NOT OKAY....TA WAVE...OL' DIXIE...........AWK!

Swing & a miss, my fine-feathered friend...

7 different Teams in the Semi-Finals
5 different Teams in the Championship Game
4 different Teams winning National Championships

#NotGreenWave #NotFargo #SoConRainbow

* bellhops have ceased waving the stars & bars at games...you can still hear some “Dixie” from their band, though...but, you will notice, they don’t appear anywhere on the list above. Never made it past the quarterfinals.

[caribbeanhen]

If Weber State would of had a QB Like JuJuan Lawson and a WR like Aaron Parker Maine would of been in big trouble, Rhode Island had Maine dead to rights but they had to play Defense with .40 seconds left....... and lost

[POD Knows]

one year does not make a legend, You know they broke up the Beatles and Paul put is old lady in the Band and went on a tear of #1's in the 70's

Kind of LIke the Bison, who could name Kliemens old lady as coach and still win the title

Paul McCartney and Wings as the MVFC has come to be knownSDSU will beat NDSU in Fargo this year and then boat race whoever they play in Frisco, which will effectively break up PM and Wings. #BOOKIT

[mainejeff]

If Weber State would of had a QB Like JuJuan Lawson and a WR like Aaron Parker Maine would of been in big trouble, Rhode Island had Maine dead to rights but they had to play Defense with .40 seconds left....... and lost

No doubt that Maine has been walking a tightrope at times this season. But they also have that "it" factor that many teams who have made a run in the past have. Hard to know if this ends next week or in Frisco.....but the story continues to be written.xthumbsupx

[Gangtackle11]

If Weber State would of had a QB Like JuJuan Lawson and a WR like Aaron Parker Maine would of been in big trouble, Rhode Island had Maine dead to rights but they had to play Defense with .40 seconds left....... and lost

Come on Carrib.....let’s not play the If game....if Delaware had Pat Mahomes they may have beaten Nova....then again maybe not....Congrats to Maine....Our CAA eyes turn to you ....xpeacex

[caribbeanhen]

No doubt that Maine has been walking a tightrope at times this season. But they also have that "it" factor that many teams who have made a run in the past have. Hard to know if this ends next week or in Frisco.....but the story continues to be written.xthumbsupx

I grossly underestimated Maine, I had based my short sighted opinion on 2 games that i saw parts of, Yale and Rhode...... and last weeks win against the Cheesecake factory from the OVC did not totally convince me, but last night I admit I loved watching your Defense get after it...... they totally dominated and were in Weber States head right from the kickoff.... your D has swagger

Great job Maine and best of luck next week on your return visit to the left coast

[Gangtackle11]

SDSU will beat NDSU in Fargo this year and then boat race whoever they play in Frisco, which will effectively break up PM and Wings. #BOOKIT

Ill take that bet. xpeacex

[RootinFerDukes]

SDSU will beat NDSU in Fargo this year and then boat race whoever they play in Frisco, which will effectively break up PM and Wings. #BOOKIT

Look at this ndsu fan going out on a limb. I bet they’ve already cast you off the bison island for your honesty.

[BisonFan02]

Look at this ndsu fan going out on a limb. I bet they’ve already cast you off the bison island for your honesty.

totally.

[TheKingpin28]

Look at this ndsu fan going out on a limb. I bet they’ve already cast you off the bison island for your honesty.You don't know how this works.

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[POD Knows]

NDSU fans are slowly becoming the LA fans of the FCS late to arrive and early
to leave.

[uni88]

A member of the CAA has reached the semifinal for 6 straight years for whatever that is worth. Outside of NDSU, which I recognize is untouchable and the best program in FCS history, I believe that is fairly good performance.

612So rather than a Disney Princess theme the CAA is like Sybil - multiple personalities that rise up and dominate the others at different times?

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[Lorne_Malvo]

You don't know how this works.

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Dukes fans dont understand how the whole POD thing works.

[jmu007]

NDSU fans are slowly becoming the LA fans of the FCS late to arrive and early
to leave.

HA. In this area, JMU is the 6 time National Champ! xdrunkyx

[caribbeanhen]

NDSU fans are slowly becoming the LA fans of the FCS late to arrive and early
to leave.

ouch

[fc97]

That is a fine accomplishment. Made me wonder about something; so I looked it up..

In the 25 Seasons between 1983 & 2007, 21 current or former SoCon Teams played in the I-AA/FCS Championship Game in 19 of those years, winning 12 National Championships.

During those same 25 Seasons, 31 current or former SoCon Teams played in the I-AA/FCS Semi-Finals in 22 of those years, including 12 straight (‘85-‘96). Only in 1984, 1997, and 2004 was there not a current or former SoCon Team in the Semi-Finals. Furman, Wofford, Samford, Western Carolina, Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, and Marshall all made Semi-Finals appearances during those years with only Woffford & Samford not advancing, at least once, to the Championship Game & all of the others, except Western Carolina, winning at least 1 National Championship.


...Then, as the Excedrin ad from the 80’s said...”life got tougher.”

But, hope springs eternal & to paraphrase Coach Jefferson Davis in his 1868 letter from England to Coach Dudley Mann...

“The SoCon will rise again!”

4 of Georgia Southern's we're pre-SoCon. Shouldn't count in the tally.

[uni88]

4 of Georgia Southern's we're pre-SoCon. Shouldn't count in the tally.True, I wouldn't count YSU's in a Valley tally.

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[KPSUL]

So rather than a Disney Princess theme the CAA is like Sybil - multiple personalities that rise up and dominate the others at different times?

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Perfect analogy!

In the past 5 years MVFC has 6 Championship game appearances (3 different teams); CAA 3 appearances ( 2 different teams); OVC 1. Zero for all other conferences.

[FUBeAR]

4 of Georgia Southern's we're pre-SoCon. Shouldn't count in the tally.Thanks!

That ‘clarification,’ which actually doesn’t conflict with anything stated (rendering its conclusion erroneous), is as meaningful as E*Loan’s contributions to the Playoff success of the SoCon during the Formerly Fightin’ Former Christians’ 11 SoCon seasons - 1 1st round loss in 2009.

[FUBeAR]

True, I wouldn't count YSU's in a Valley tally.

Sent from my XT1650 using TapatalkFair enough. I chose to include GaSou in this view.

On the other hand, I opted to exclude former SoCon Member Alabama’s 17 National Championships...or however many they are claiming these days.

[fc97]

Thanks!

That ‘clarification,’ which actually doesn’t conflict with anything stated (rendering its conclusion erroneous), is as meaningful as E*Loan’s contributions to the Playoff success of the SoCon during the Formerly Fightin’ Former Christians’ 11 SoCon seasons - 1 1st round loss in 2009.

LOL. It does conflict with what you said. GSU as a SoCon member only has 2. But hey, whatever floats your boat to make you feel better including the smack, lay it on dude.

You make me want to send you a box for your tears. If only Mercer and Furman had made it this year.

[Gil Dobie]

Fair enough. I chose to include GaSou in this view.

On the other hand, I opted to exclude former SoCon Member Alabama’s 17 National Championships...or however many they are claiming these days.

Then we would have to include the other 8 championships NDSU won, 5 during the 1983-2007 era. xlolx

[MacThor]

Updated Final Fours over the past 10 seasons by conference: (# of teams/# of different schools)



MVFC 12/4
CAA 11/8
Big Sky 7/2
Southland 5/1
Southern 4/2 (both are now FBS)
OVC 1/1

[FUBeAR]

LOL. It does conflict with what you said. GSU as a SoCon member only has 2.

If only Mercer and Furman had made it this year.
Once again, your ‘clarification’ does not conflict with what I stated. Now, if you add an additional qualifying phrase, such as, “While a member of the SoCon,” to what I said, the “tally” would be incorrect. I didn’t, so it’s not. Regardless, within the scope of the entire statement, it’s a fairly insignificant difference that you felt compelled to raise.

I understand though, you feel the need to attempt to minimize and/or negate accomplishments of other Teams & Conferences because you know what’s REALLY “LOL”...

...Furman & Mercer, each, won just as many FCS Playoff games this year, alone, as E*Loan has won in their 20 years of FCS competition.

Wow. 20 years and not 1 single Playoff victory to celebrate. That’s gotta be rough, man. I know how much I’ve enjoyed all 19 of Furman’s Playoff wins. In fact, I’m enjoying the most recent one quite a bit right about now.

[semobison]

CAA is alive and well.

612

Bump!

[RootinFerDukes]

The Massacre is complete. Now who had Maine in the semifinals? That's what I thought.

[Sitting Bull]

So if the CAA doesn't get a team in the Championship, it's a massacre?

[FUBeAR]

So if the CAA doesn't get a team in the Championship, it's a massacre?

...because that’s the ONLY thing noteworthy that happened involving the CAA in this year’s Playoffs...

C’mon man...

[kalm]

The Massacre is complete. Now who had Maine in the semifinals? That's what I thought.

I thought they had a chance and had them in the quarters. But to be honest, they were the 3rd best team EWU faced in the playoffs.

[Gangtackle11]

I thought they had a chance and had them in the quarters. But to be honest, they were the 3rd best team EWU faced in the playoffs.

They didn’t play well vs. EWU, but it’s unfair to discredit an entire season’s worth of work. I certainly could have said the same for SDSU last season after their debacle at JMU, but any FCS fan worth their salt knew that was an aberration. I wonder if Weber State thought Maine was the worst team they faced in the playoffs?

Maine didnt bring their A,B,or C game to Cheyney. Congrats, but to slight Maine for 1 bad day is typical from some of the boys out West. xpeacex

[Gangtackle11]

They didn’t play well vs. EWU, but it’s unfair to discredit an entire season’s worth of work. I certainly could have said the same for SDSU last season after their debacle at JMU, but any FCS fan worth their salt knew that was an aberration. I wonder if Weber State thought Maine was the worst team they faced in the playoffs?

Maine didnt bring their A,B,or C game to Cheyney. Congrats, but to slight Maine for 1 bad day is typical from some of the boys out West. xpeacex



PS: The CAA didn’t deserve 6 teams based on the results. It may be a long time before you see the committee select 6 teams from 1 FCS conference again. IK my Villanova Wildcats better find a way to win 8 next season because 7 won’t cut the mustard for us. xpeacex

[semobison]

PS: The CAA didn’t deserve 6 teams based on the results. It may be a long time before you see the committee select 6 teams from 1 FCS conference again. IK my Villanova Wildcats better find a way to win 8 next season because 7 won’t cut the mustard for us. xpeacex

The problem is that the CAA is a big conference where teams don't play everyone. Going by the standings and rankings I was not surprised at the 6 selections. They all had playoff worthy resumes. That's going to happen in a big conference when there is parity. I was surprised at the performance or lack of from the CAA this year though. Lots of middle of the pack teams IMO.

[walliver]

Once again, your ‘clarification’ does not conflict with what I stated. Now, if you add an additional qualifying phrase, such as, “While a member of the SoCon,” to what I said, the “tally” would be incorrect. I didn’t, so it’s not. Regardless, within the scope of the entire statement, it’s a fairly insignificant difference that you felt compelled to raise.

I understand though, you feel the need to attempt to minimize and/or negate accomplishments of other Teams & Conferences because you know what’s REALLY “LOL”...

...Furman & Mercer, each, won just as many FCS Playoff games this year, alone, as E*Loan has won in their 20 years of FCS competition.

Wow. 20 years and not 1 single Playoff victory to celebrate. That’s gotta be rough, man. I know how much I’ve enjoyed all 19 of Furman’s Playoff wins. In fact, I’m enjoying the most recent one quite a bit right about now.

Don't forget Georgia Tech's 1928 National Championship while an active member of the SoCon. And Duke in 1936.

[FUBeAR]

Don't forget Georgia Tech's 1928 National Championship while an active member of the SoCon. And Duke in 1936.
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[Gangtackle11]

The problem is that the CAA is a big conference where teams don't play everyone. Going by the standings and rankings I was not surprised at the 6 selections. They all had playoff worthy resumes. That's going to happen in a big conference when there is parity. I was surprised at the performance or lack of from the CAA this year though. Lots of middle of the pack teams IMO.

Don’t disagree. Unbalanced CAA schedule is part of the issue, but it’s not changing anytime soon. I saw Maine, Towson, JMU, & Stony Brook in person. Only JMU looked like an outstanding team, but I saw Maine in the battle of back up QBs to be fair. The CAA has a lot of good, but not great teams this season. It played out that way in the playoffs. xpeacex

[kalm]

They didn’t play well vs. EWU, but it’s unfair to discredit an entire season’s worth of work. I certainly could have said the same for SDSU last season after their debacle at JMU, but any FCS fan worth their salt knew that was an aberration. I wonder if Weber State thought Maine was the worst team they faced in the playoffs?

Maine didnt bring their A,B,or C game to Cheyney. Congrats, but to slight Maine for 1 bad day is typical from some of the boys out West. xpeacex

That wasn't a slight against Maine so much as it was an observation that they weren't quite as good as Nicholls and Davis. Nicholls was a more complete team especially when comparing offenses. Davis made great adjustments between the two times they played us and that was a classic hard hitting FCS playoff game. Given Maine's stats on D, I simply can't believe we put 216 yards on the ground and allowed no sacks.

Nicholls ain't exactly from out west but take it however you'd like.

[Reign of Terrier]

That wasn't a slight against Maine so much as it was an observation that they weren't quite as good as Nicholls and Davis. Nicholls was a more complete team especially when comparing offenses. Davis made great adjustments between the two times they played us and that was a classic hard hitting FCS playoff game. Given Maine's stats on D, I simply can't believe we put 216 yards on the ground and allowed no sacks.

Nicholls ain't exactly from out west but take it however you'd like.

I think this can be attributed to the hot/cold nature of Maine this year (won the CAA but lost to Yale and W&M) as well as the travel. Again, I know that it's hard to attribute road teams losing so much to travel when they are traveling because they are the worse team, but I think there's something to be said about the frequency of cross-country traveling in the playoffs (it may have increased since the field expanded to 24 teams)

[Redbird 4th & short]

I think this can be attributed to the hot/cold nature of Maine this year (won the CAA but lost to Yale and W&M) as well as the travel. Again, I know that it's hard to attribute road teams losing so much to travel when they are traveling because they are the worse team, but I think there's something to be said about the frequency of cross-country traveling in the playoffs (it may have increased since the field expanded to 24 teams)
in theory, there should be less travel with more teams .. all things being relative equal (they never are, but have to preface it), they would logically choose to pair teams closer in proximity than not. And more teams = more combinations possible to optimize less travel.

As for hot & cold nature of Maine ... if they had that disease, then maybe those a-holes spread it to rest of FCS minus Bison. This will go down as either the Year of Parity, or translated, the Year of Hot & Cold teams. But you might be right ... maybe CAA and Maine were ground zero for this affliction !! And deserved their fate this year !!!!

It is what it is and there is no reason to assume FCS football was any worse for it. Parity makes gooder teams look less .... gooder xeyebrowx xdrunkyx

[kalm]

I think this can be attributed to the hot/cold nature of Maine this year (won the CAA but lost to Yale and W&M) as well as the travel. Again, I know that it's hard to attribute road teams losing so much to travel when they are traveling because they are the worse team, but I think there's something to be said about the frequency of cross-country traveling in the playoffs (it may have increased since the field expanded to 24 teams)

Sure. Maine didn't play up to their capabilities. But the MOV, how much we dominated their strengths on defense, and the overall playmaking and speed made them look a little inferior to Davis and Nicholls. When we boat raced Davis I knew they had played a bad game. Both the Aggies and Davis truly looked like solid teams that would give us fits. I also felt our defense against made didn't play its best game either.

This is the 5th semifinal team we've seen in Cheney since 2010. Of those, Nova played at SFA and App State in 2010 before coming to Cheney. Towson was at EIU and then Cheney. The first leg of those trips isn't as far as Ogden but it's really not that much different with air travel. We're talking a couple of hours and both of those teams played well. Not saying travel isn't a factor but I don't think it explains a blowout. I'd favor us by a couple of scores against Maine on a neutral field.

But I thought all three teams were good.

[Gangtackle11]

Sure. Maine didn't play up to their capabilities. But the MOV, how much we dominated their strengths on defense, and the overall playmaking and speed made them look a little inferior to Davis and Nicholls. When we boat raced Davis I knew they had played a bad game. Both the Aggies and Davis truly looked like solid teams that would give us fits. I also felt our defense against made didn't play its best game either.

This is the 5th semifinal team we've seen in Cheney since 2010. Of those, Nova played at SFA and App State in 2010 before coming to Cheney. Towson was at EIU and then Cheney. The first leg of those trips isn't as far as Ogden but it's really not that much different with air travel. We're talking a couple of hours and both of those teams played well. Not saying travel isn't a factor but I don't think it explains a blowout. I'd favor us by a couple of scores against Maine on a neutral field.

But I thought all three teams were good.

Villanova was defending national champ that season, but fought injuries to star players (Matt Szczur in particular). Beat Delaware on the last regular season game to gain entrance to FCS playoffs. Went to SFA & App State and won. Lost 41-31 to EWU, 6 turnovers did the Cats in (4 fumbles lost/2 ints).

Andy Talley after the game:

"It was the turnovers that really killed us," said Villanova coach Andy Talley. "We obviously didn't bring our 'A' game tonight. The travel may have caught up with us a little bit.” xpeacex

[cx500d]

Don't forget Georgia Tech's 1928 National Championship while an active member of the SoCon. And Duke in 1936.


geez, I plumb forgot about those...

Interestingly enough, the Golden Gophers claim seven national championships: 1904, 1934, 1935, 1936, 1940, and 1960...I forgot about those too.

[FUBeAR]

geez, I plumb forgot about those...

Interestingly enough, the Golden Gophers claim seven national championships: 1904, 1934, 1935, 1936, 1940, and 1960...I forgot about those too.
Well, we can’t count the 1904 one, but we’ll add the other 5 to the SoCon’s (founded 1921) tally of National Championships.

seven?

[kalm]

Villanova was defending national champ that season, but fought injuries to star players (Matt Szczur in particular). Beat Delaware on the last regular season game to gain entrance to FCS playoffs. Went to SFA & App State and won. Lost 41-31 to EWU, 6 turnovers did the Cats in (4 fumbles lost/2 ints).

Andy Talley after the game:

"It was the turnovers that really killed us," said Villanova coach Andy Talley. "We obviously didn't bring our 'A' game tonight. The travel may have caught up with us a little bit.” xpeacex

Like I said....travel can play a roll but that was a close game late and Nova was still able to keep it close. Thanks for helping my point.

[cx500d]

Well, we can’t count the 1904 one, but we’ll add the other 5 to the SoCon’s (founded 1921) tally of National Championships.

seven?

gophers are minnesota.....that said, its all ancient history, there are obviously multiple teams claiming "championships" in the same year....it don't mean ****.

[FUBeAR]

gophers are minnesota.....that said, its all ancient history, there are obviously multiple teams claiming "championships" in the same year....it don't mean ****.
So...you’re saying Minnesota was NOT in the SoCon? I thought they were Monmouth before Monmouth was Monmouth. xsmiley_wix(guess I shoulda added a winky emoji to the 1st post)

[Gangtackle11]

Like I said....travel can play a roll but that was a close game late and Nova was still able to keep it close. Thanks for helping my point.

You are welcome, but then we have to agree that SDSU was Maine of last season except they werent conference champs. GL in Frisco. xpeacex

[MR. CHICKEN]

That wasn't a slight against Maine so much as it was an observation that they weren't quite as good as Nicholls and Davis. Nicholls was a more complete team especially when comparing offenses. Davis made great adjustments between the two times they played us and that was a classic hard hitting FCS playoff game. Given Maine's stats on D, I simply can't believe we put 216 yards on the ground and allowed no sacks.

Nicholls ain't exactly from out west but take it however you'd like.

..........DON’T MAKE.......DUH CHICKEN......HIT DUH ARCHIVES.........AH’M SURE.....YOUSE HAVE UH PAST.....GAME.........LIKE MAINE......BEHIND DOOR #?.........BRAWK!

[kalm]

..........DON’T MAKE.......DUH CHICKEN......HIT DUH ARCHIVES.........AH’M SURE.....YOUSE HAVE UH PAST.....GAME.........LIKE MAINE......BEHIND DOOR #?.........BRAWK!

For sure. NDSU last year, Montana in 2015. It happens.

[MR. CHICKEN]

.........AN’.......DUH BEARS.....BEAT....DUH DWEEBS.....WHOM....BEAT.....DUH IGGLES........AWK!