AGS Poll Results - WEEK 11 POLL - 2018 SEASON

[AGSPoll]

11/12/2018



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes
Previous Wk.


1
North Dakota State Bison
2175
87
1


2
Eastern Washington Eagles
2004

5


3
Kennesaw State Owls
1944

3


4
Weber State Wildcats
1920

4


5
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1862

6


6
Colgate Raiders
1620

9


7
UC Davis Aggies
1616

2


8
James Madison Dukes
1568

10


9
Stony Brook Seawolves
1433

11


10
Maine Black Bears
1287

13


11
Towson Tigers
1265

15


12
Princeton Tigers
1172

12


13
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
1096

8


14
Elon Phoenix
988

7


15
Wofford Terriers
969

16


16
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
921

17


17
Nicholls State Colonels
879

19


18
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
667

20


19
Dartmouth Big Green
586

22


20
North Carolina A&T Aggies
527

24


21
Idaho State Bengals
314

14


22
Indiana State Sycamores
233

32


23
Furman Paladins
201

30


24
Incarnate Word Cardinals
174

34


25
Montana State Bobcats
137

38

















ORV:





26
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
131

36


27
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
130

21


28
Lamar Cardinals
108

31


29
San Diego Toreros
88

35


30
Northern Iowa Panthers
64

18


31
Western Illinois Leathernecks
46

23


32
Montana Grizzlies
42

NR


33
Monmouth Hawks
30

29


34
Abilene Christian Wildcats
22

39


35
McNeese State Cowboys
17

25


36
Illinois State Redbirds
12

26


37
Rhode Island Rams
9

28


38
Chattanooga Mocs
6

37


39T
Alcorn State Braves
3

NR


39T
New Hampshire Wildcats
3

NR


39T
Samford Bulldogs
3

27










Most Significant Win:

Eastern Washington Eagles




Most Significant Loss:

Elon Phoenix

























Fell Out Of Poll:





40
Yale Bulldogs

[Professor Chaos]

Here's the Wedge blog post on this week's poll: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-11-top-25-results/

Pretty nice effort overall I think. The CAA teams might be in kind of a weird order (like Stony Brook in front of Towson but that's a dead horse by this point) but they're so tough to figure out a little leeway is necessary there.

There was a bunch of top 25 firsts in the 21-25 range this week. Indiana St's first appearance since 2016, Furman's first appearance since week 1 of this year, Incarnate Word's first appearance ever, and Montana St's first appearance since week 4 of this year.

[Professor Chaos]

Here was my crack at it:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Weber State Wildcats
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Kennessaw State Owls
5: Colgate Raiders
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: UC Davis Aggies
8: Towson Tigers
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Maine Black Bears
11: Stony Brook Seawolves
12: Delaware Fightin Blue Hens
13: Princeton Tigers
14: Elon Phoenix
15: Nicholls State Colonels
16: Dartmouth Big Green
17: Wofford Terriers
18: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
19: Idaho State Bengals
20: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
21: Indiana State Sycamores
22: Montana State Bobcats
23: North Carolina A&T Aggies
24: Furman Paladins
25: Incarnate Word Cardinals

Had the same 25 teams as the consensus. Only team I had further than 3 spots away from the consensus was Jacksonville St which I had 4 spots lower than the consensus. Pardon me while I pat myself on the back. :D

[FUGameBreaker]

Thank you AGS for the votes and taking a good look at Furman, very much appreciated xthumbsupx

[JSUSoutherner]

Who in the **** voted for New Hampshire?

[JSUSoutherner]

NDSU (-)
EWU (-)
Kennesaw (-)
Weber (-)
SDSU (-)
Towson (+5)
Colgate (-1)
UC Davis (-1)
James Madison (-1)
Stony Brook (-1)
Maine (-1)
Princeton (-)
Delaware (-)
Wofford (+1)
Jacksonville State (+1)
Elon (-2)
Nicholls (-)
ETSU (-)
Dartmouth (-)
NC A&T (-)
Furman (+2)
Incarnate Word (+2)
San Diego (+6)
Indiana State (-2)
Lamar (+3)
Win: Towson
Loss: McNeese

[Professor Chaos]

Who in the **** voted for New Hampshire?
I saw someone in the "How they fared" thread I think saying they voted for a 6 loss team so that must've been it. I don't agree with it but they have won 3 in a row including over consensus #9 JMU by multiple scores and appear to have righted the ship with their QB back. However, I don't even think Marty Scarano could get them into the playoffs even if he was still on the committee this year.

[KPSUL]

Who in the **** voted for New Hampshire?

JMU fans?

When it got down to my 24 and 25 picks I saw a choice between Furman and Vermin, I went with Furman!

[JSUSoutherner]

JMU fans?
So if Portland State beats EWU we're ranking them next week, right?

[POD Knows]

Again, here is the answer key for the poll, I think SDSU would bitch slap both KSU and WSU.


Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/11/2018 8:19:16

Your vote is listed below.
() AGS Poll Results

1: North Dakota State Bison (1)
2: Eastern Washington Eagles (2)
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits (5)
4: Kennesaw State Owls (3)
5: Weber State Wildcats (4)
6: UC Davis Aggies (7)
7: James Madison Dukes (8)
8: Stony Brook Seawolves (9)
9: Colgate Raiders (6)
10: Towson Tigers (11)
11: Maine Black Bears (10)
12: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens (13)
13: Princeton Tigers (12)
14: Elon Phoenix (14)
15: Wofford Terriers (15)
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks (16)
17: Nicholls State Colonels (17)
18: Dartmouth Big Green (19)
19: Idaho State Bengals (21)
20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers (18)
21: Indiana State Sycamores (22)
22: North Dakota Fighting Hawks (26)
23: Furman Paladins (23)
24: Incarnate Word Cardinals (24)
25: Montana State Bobcats (25)

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Towson Tigers
The Most Significant Loss: Idaho State Bengals
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Bison56]

So if Portland State beats EWU we're ranking them next week, right?

Well when a team wins they automatically jump ahead of the team they defeated. Its science

[cx500d]

Who in the **** voted for New Hampshire?

They have been on a win streak


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[jmu007]

Is it 1 point per position? i.e. 3 points = 3 25th place votes, or 1 23rd place vote

[Professor Chaos]

Is it 1 point per position? i.e. 3 points = 3 25th place votes, or 1 23rd place vote
Correct

[JSUSoutherner]

Is it 1 point per position? i.e. 3 points = 3 25th place votes, or 1 23rd place vote
a 25 vote would be 1 point, a 24 is 2, a 23 is 3... so on and so forth. a 1st is 25.

[grizband]

Is it 1 point per position? i.e. 3 points = 3 25th place votes, or 1 23rd place vote
CorrectCould be either

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[KPSUL]

I saw someone in the "How they fared" thread I think saying they voted for a 6 loss team so that must've been it. I don't agree with it but they have won 3 in a row including over consensus #9 JMU by multiple scores and appear to have righted the ship with their QB back. However, I don't even think Marty Scarano could get them into the playoffs even if he was still on the committee this year.

It's pointless to rank a 6 loss team; however, all 5 of UNH's FCS losses were to teams ranked between 6 and 14 on this AGS poll - the 6th was to a P5 FBS team. Most of those losses were with someone other than Trevor Knight playing QB behind a patchwork OL. I think we could agree that no one currently ranked 15 through 25 would prefer to play this UNH team over any other 15-25 team in Round 1 of the playoffs - they'd likely have a short playoff run.

[jmu007]

Thanks. Well, I'll solve 1/3rd of your mystery then. I decided to vote for them at 25 based on their performance since returning to full strength. Considering they will be ending the year on a 4 game win streak and their losses are to likely playoff teams while without Knight for most of them and an FBS team.

I will say I am a little surprised to see I wasn't the only vote, but good to not be the only one I guess.

[kdinva]

I got 23/25 this week.......I'm getting better xdrunkyx


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Kennesaw State Owls
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: James Madison Dukes
7: UC Davis Aggies
8: Stony Brook Seawolves
9: Maine Black Bears
10: Colgate Raiders
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Towson Tigers
13: Princeton Tigers
14: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
15: Nicholls State Colonels
16: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
17: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
18: Elon Phoenix
19: North Carolina A&T Aggies
20: Dartmouth Big Green
21: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
22: Furman Paladins
23: Idaho State Bengals
24: Incarnate Word Cardinals
25: McNeese State Cowboys



The Most Significant Win: Towson Tigers
The Most Significant Loss: Samford Bulldogs

[KPSUL]

a 25 vote would be 1 point, a 24 is 2, a 23 is 3... so on and so forth. a 1st is 25.

Wow, they do require elementary school level math to graduate from JSU !

[JALMOND]

So if Portland State beats EWU we're ranking them next week, right?

xthumbsupx

:)

[Preferred Walk-On]

Here's the Wedge blog post on this week's poll: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-11-top-25-results/

Pretty nice effort overall I think. The CAA teams might be in kind of a weird order (like Stony Brook in front of Towson but that's a dead horse by this point) but they're so tough to figure out a little leeway is necessary there.

There was a bunch of top 25 firsts in the 21-25 range this week. Indiana St's first appearance since 2016, Furman's first appearance since week 1 of this year, Incarnate Word's first appearance ever, and Montana St's first appearance since 2014 (which seems like a really long time ago but it's true).

Wow! It's a win over Northern Colorado that finally gets them in!

I realize it is actually other's losses that got them in, but they could not get in earlier this year when Montana was in the ~#15 range, even though the Bobcats had beaten two opponents that Montana lost to. xeyebrowx xsmhx

[Professor Chaos]

Wow! It's a win over Northern Colorado that finally gets them in!

I realize it is actually other's losses that got them in, but they could not get in earlier this year when Montana was in the ~#15 range, even though the Bobcats had beaten two opponents that Montana lost to. xeyebrowx xsmhx
Wait, I'm crazy. I didn't scroll up in my table with the historical rankings. They were ranked earlier this year (week 4 was the last time). xdohx

[Preferred Walk-On]

It's pointless to rank a 6 loss team; however, all 5 of UNH's FCS losses were to teams ranked between 6 and 14 on this AGS poll - the 6th was to a P5 FBS team. Most of those losses were with someone other than Trevor Knight playing QB behind a patchwork OL. I think we could agree that no one currently ranked 15 through 25 would prefer to play this UNH team over any other 15-25 team in Round 1 of the playoffs - they'd likely have a short playoff run.

I don't think it is pointless, if you truly believe the poll should represent the 25 best teams currently. I did not vote for New Hampshire, but I certainly would not fault anyone that did.

[Preferred Walk-On]

Wait, I'm crazy. I didn't scroll up in my table with the historical rankings. They were ranked earlier this year (week 4 was the last time). xdohx

I probably should have looked as well (I thought they had been ranked at some point). Just thought it was ironic that a UNC win got them into the 25.

[Professor Chaos]

I probably should have looked as well (I thought they had been ranked at some point). Just thought it was ironic that a UNC win got them into the 25.
They did pick up a lot of points (went from just 5 last week to 137 this week). I've had them on my "watch list" for a while but I hadn't really noticed the fact that all of their losses were to top 15 teams (although Idaho St is no longer there) and an FBS until someone pointed it out last week. Their wins are nothing special but they've done about exactly what you'd expect a 20-25th ranked team to do with their schedule.

[bobcathpdevil56]

They did pick up a lot of points (went from just 5 last week to 137 this week). I've had them on my "watch list" for a while but I hadn't really noticed the fact that all of their losses were to top 15 teams (although Idaho St is no longer there) and an FBS until someone pointed it out last week. Their wins are nothing special but they've done about exactly what you'd expect a 20-25th ranked team to do with their schedule.

Bobcats didn't play an FBS this year. Losses are to SDSU, EWU, Weber State and ISUo

[Professor Chaos]

Bobcats didn't play an FBS this year. Losses are to SDSU, EWU, Weber State and ISUo
Ah, thanks! I knew they didn't have anything that could be interpreted as a "bad loss" just made an incorrect assumption without looking at their schedule.

[Preferred Walk-On]

First, HAPPY VETERANS DAY! My sincerest thanks to those who have served and to those that are currently serving to ensure our freedom. xsalutex

----------

Second, here is my poll for the week:

Hello Preferred Walk-On:

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote.

Your vote is listed below. (Last week's rank by this voter is denoted in parentheses.)

1: North Dakota State Bison (1) - Left little doubt this past weekend at Missouri State.

2: Eastern Washington Eagles (5) - What a difference a defense has made for the Eagles this year. That was a bit of a statement win against UC-Davis. Even though Weber State beat the Eagles earlier this year, Eastern Washington appears to be the more complete team to this voter. By the way, Weber State and UC-Davis did not play this year.

3: Kennesaw State Owls (3) - Keep winning. Don't care if others say they haven't played anyone. Barometer game (against Jacksonville State) coming up.

4: Weber State Wildcats (4) - Won a game (Southern Utah) that they should have. However, have not looked overly dominant in any game this year. Hence the nod to EWU for #2.

5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits (6) - Moved up a spot due to UC-Davis drop.

6: James Madison Dukes (10) - The CAA is confusing as ****. Some are Maine haters. ;) Some think Towson is the most underrated of them all. ;) Stony Brook appears to be flying under the radar (or at least this voter has missed the in-depth discussions about the Seawolves). New Hampshire...WTF? The six ranked CAA teams are distributed within nine spots in this poll, and this voter thinks the Dukes are still the best of the bunch. Lost to New Hampshire, who has won their last three, and lost to a healthy Elon. Beat Stony Brook, and the only other team of the six this voter ranked that plays the Dukes is Towson (next week). Until next weekend then...

7: Nicholls State Colonels (12) - A Southland team...at #7? Yes, Nicholls has the FBS win and handled the current two hottest Southland teams earlier this year. Even their Abilene Christian loss in week #7 is not looking as bad. This is not a situation where the #1 team from one conference could only compete with the #5 team from another. The Colonels are a good team and will not be an easy out in the playoffs.

8: Stony Brook Seawolves (13) - Stony Brook beat Delaware, who beat Towson, who beat Stony Brook. #8 and #10 could have easily been swapped. Despite the head-to-head (which was a month ago), the deciding point for this voter had to do with the fact that the Seawolves have been pretty tough (3-1; three point loss @ JMU) since their loss to Towson, and their win over Delaware, who recently (two weeks ago) beat Towson. Again, #8 and #10 could have easily been swapped.

9: UC-Davis Aggies (2) - Eastern Washington is tough on the inferno. Played close for a half, which kept the Aggies in the top 10.

10: Towson Tigers (18) - See Stony Brook @ #8. If the Tigers take care of James Madison, Towson would become the top CAA team for this voter.

11: Maine Black Bears (17) - Yep, put me in the Maine hater category. xdontknowx Maine has probably had the most exciting roller coaster ride in this voter's polls. The only things holding me back from declaring the Black Bears as the cream of the CAA crop are Yale and William & Mary. But take care of Elon, and congratulations on your CAA auto-bid (and seed?).

12: Colgate Raiders (14) - I think I summed this one up sufficiently last week. Moved up due to Elon and Idaho State losses.

13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens (9) - The Seawolves and Blue Hens essentially swapped positions due to the outcome of their game.

14: Elon Phoenix (7) - The Phoenix are now in that unenviable position of needing to beat Maine to reach 7 D1 wins. It is clear that a 6 D1 win team(s) will be in the playoffs. Just not sure that team(s) includes Elon.

15: Princeton Tigers (15) - Finals are only a few weeks away. Enjoy your Thanksgiving break.

16: Dartmouth Big Green (16) - See #15.

17: Idaho State Bengals (8) - Oh no! Cal-Poly? It was a nice run. The Bengals have a chance to be one of those 6 D1 win teams in the playoffs with a win over Weber State next week. Best of luck.

18: Jacksonville State Gamecocks (20) - I suppose someone is going to have issue with this, because Southeast Missouri State beat the Gamecocks head-to-head. Well, **** head-to-head. xlolx This voter stands by previous statements about this AND will raise you the common opponents that are Murray State and Tennessee State (in back-to-back weeks). Doesn't move the needle much for JSU, but SEMO drops (and now cannot win the OVC). Looking forward to the Jacksonville State vs. Kennesaw State match-up to conclude the regular season.

19: Wofford Terriers (NR) - The next three rankings could be arranged any way you like, probably depending on which Southern Conference team you are a fan of.

20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers (21) - Mostly stayed put with a BYE and can win conference with win vs. Samford next week.

21: Furman Paladins (23) - Trying to make case for 6 D1 win team in playoffs. Need to take care of Mercer next week.

22: Indiana State Sycamores (25) - Attempting to end the season with five straight wins (6 D1 wins total) with a close loss to South Dakota State (51-54 in OT). Is this enough to get into the tournament?

23: North Dakota Fighting Hawks (NR) - Beat Portland State and moved into this voter's poll...this is the current state of the FCS. Go get your 7 D1 wins by not slipping up @ Northern Arizona. Then sit and wait (and be sure you put in a good bid for Thanksgiving weekend).

24: Incarnate Word Cardinals (NR) - Will your game @ Iowa State be cancelled? We shall see.

25: Lamar Cardinals (NR) - Would be nice to see six straight wins (including over Incarnate Word, Central Arkansas, and McNeese State) to end season. Unfortunately, these are also the only D1 wins for Lamar. But if you are going to make an argument for 6 D1 wins for the playoffs, six straight to end the season doesn't hurt.

Preferred Walk-On

Most significant win: Indiana State Sycamores - Eliminated Illinois State from playoff consideration. Kept their own playoff hopes alive.

Most significant loss: Northern Iowa Panthers - Now relying on the mercy of the committee. What's worse is that this recent loss was a drubbing...at the hands of Youngstown State.

Which conference does your team play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[caribbeanhen]

Who in the **** voted for New Hampshire?

just feel fortunate that you don't have to play them this Saturday with your playoff berth on the line....

[Derby City Duke]

Won't get my email back from ursus until Wednesday probably, but in the meantime...AGS rank in (#):

1. NDSU (1)
2. Eastern Washington (2)
3. Kennesaw St. (3)
4. Weber St. (4)
5. SDSU (5)
6. UC-Davis (7)
7. Colgate (6)
8. JMU (8)
9. Stony Brook (9)
10. Delaware (13)
11. Princeton (12)
12. Elon (14)
13. Towson (11)
14. Maine (10)
15. Wofford (15)
16. Nicholls (17)
17. JSU (16)
18. ETSU (18)
19. Idaho St. (21)
20. Dartmouth (19)
21. San Diego (29)
22. Indiana St. (22)
23. North Carolina A&T (20)
24. Incarnate Word (24)
25. Furman (23)

24 / 25: have San Diego in vice Montana State. Expect I probably have them too high at 21, but the bottom 10 is like the Scrabble tile bag.

The CAA teams? Like the rotating Bingo cage -- whichever order the pellets come out...

I do, however, like how I did with my top 9. xpeacex

[polsongrizz]

Furman at 5-4 in, yeah okay then...

[grizband]

Pretty confident about the top few picks, not confident about the bottom few picks, knowing I left out some deserving teams.

1:*North Dakota State Bison
2:*Eastern Washington Eagles
3:*Kennesaw State Owls
4:*Weber State Wildcats
5:*South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6:*James Madison Dukes
7:*UC Davis Aggies
8:*Colgate Raiders
9:*Stony Brook Seawolves
10:*Princeton Tigers
11:*Maine Black Bears
12:*Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
13:*Wofford Terriers
14:*Nicholls State Colonels
15:*Towson Tigers
16:*Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17:*Elon Phoenix
18:*East Tennessee State Buccaneers
19:*North Carolina A&T Aggies
20:*Furman Paladins
21:*Indiana State Sycamores
22:*Lamar Cardinals
23:*Dartmouth Big Green
24:*Montana State Bobcats
25:*Montana Grizzlies

grizband*

The Most Significant Win:*Eastern Washington Eagles
The Most Significant Loss:*UC Davis Aggies
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?:*Big Sky Conference

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[dewey]

Here is my top 25. Feel free to critique.

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/11/2018 23:05:30

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Weber State Wildcats
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: UC Davis Aggies
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Colgate Raiders
8: Stony Brook Seawolves
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: James Madison Dukes
11: Maine Black Bears
12: Towson Tigers
13: Princeton Tigers
14: Dartmouth Big Green
15: Elon Phoenix
16: Wofford Terriers
17: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
18: Nicholls State Colonels
19: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
20: North Carolina A&T Aggies
21: Furman Paladins
22: Indiana State Sycamores
23: Lamar Cardinals
24: Incarnate Word Cardinals
25: Idaho State Bengals

dewey

The Most Significant Win: Eastern Washington Eagles
The Most Significant Loss: UC Davis Aggies
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Dewey

[FUGameBreaker]

Furman at 5-4 in, yeah okay then...


Who is in your top 25 ahead of Furman?

[JSUSoutherner]

Here is my top 25. Feel free to critique.

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/11/2018 23:05:30

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Weber State Wildcats
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: UC Davis Aggies
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Colgate Raiders
8: Stony Brook Seawolves
9: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
10: James Madison Dukes
11: Maine Black Bears
12: Towson Tigers
13: Princeton Tigers
14: Dartmouth Big Green
15: Elon Phoenix
16: Wofford Terriers
17: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
18: Nicholls State Colonels
19: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
20: North Carolina A&T Aggies
21: Furman Paladins
22: Indiana State Sycamores
23: Lamar Cardinals
24: Incarnate Word Cardinals
25: Idaho State Bengals

dewey

The Most Significant Win: Eastern Washington Eagles
The Most Significant Loss: UC Davis Aggies
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Dewey
Is real bad, chief. xdrunkyx

[TheKingpin28]

This is my best attempt at it. It was not an easy poll but I was impressed how accurate I was in the end.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Kennesaw State Owls
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: UC Davis Aggies
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Colgate Raiders
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
11: Maine Black Bears
12: Towson Tigers
13: Princeton Tigers
14: Elon Phoenix
15: Wofford Terriers
16: Dartmouth Big Green
17: Nicholls State Colonels
18: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
19: Idaho State Bengals
20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
21: Incarnate Word Cardinals
22: Montana State Bobcats
23: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
24: Furman Paladins
25: Montana Grizzlies

I had:
-9 perfections
-6 one offs
-5 two offs
-3 three offs
-2 NRs

After reviewing this poll, this is what I noticed:
-If Princeton is really that good, then how can they be 12 and Dartmouth be 19? They are neck and neck (within 2 spots) with each other.
-From about 18 down is a complete crapshoot as well as ranking the CAA teams.
-I compared the CAA schedules and weighed them out and I believe my lineup is correct in the order they should be placed.
-I'm not a fan of Colgate at 6 since I believe had they played JMU's and/or UC-Davis's schedules, they would not have the same record so they should remain below them.
-I believe Montana should be in over ISUb due to their common opponent in UNI, but I won't really question people's votes in the bottom third of the poll that much.
-Some of the teams in ORV should not be there, regardless of how much implosion occurred over the weekend.

[dewey]

Is real bad, chief. xdrunkyx

Thanks. I will try again next weekxdrunkyx

Dewey

[JSUSoutherner]

This is my best attempt at it. It was not an easy poll but I was impressed how accurate I was in the end.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: Kennesaw State Owls
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
6: UC Davis Aggies
7: James Madison Dukes
8: Colgate Raiders
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
11: Maine Black Bears
12: Towson Tigers
13: Princeton Tigers
14: Elon Phoenix
15: Wofford Terriers
16: Dartmouth Big Green
17: Nicholls State Colonels
18: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
19: Idaho State Bengals
20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
21: Incarnate Word Cardinals
22: Montana State Bobcats
23: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
24: Furman Paladins
25: Montana Grizzlies

I had:
-9 perfections
-6 one offs
-5 two offs
-3 three offs
-2 NRs

After reviewing this poll, this is what I noticed:
-If Princeton is really that good, then how can they be 12 and Dartmouth be 19? They are neck and neck (within 2 spots) with each other.
-From about 18 down is a complete crapshoot as well as ranking the CAA teams.
-I compared the CAA schedules and weighed them out and I believe my lineup is correct in the order they should be placed.
-I'm not a fan of Colgate at 6 since I believe had they played JMU's and/or UC-Davis's schedules, they would not have the same record so they should remain below them.
-I believe Montana should be in over ISUb due to their common opponent in UNI, but I won't really question people's votes in the bottom third of the poll that much.
-Some of the teams in ORV should not be there, regardless of how much implosion occurred over the weekend.
I had 11 perfect. G3t R3kt, k1d. xdrunkyx

[TheKingpin28]

I had 11 perfect. G3t R3kt, k1d. xdrunkyx

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I'd still choose my poll any day of the week. xlolx

[BisonTru]

Playoff picture according to the AGS Poll




Rank
Team:
Total Points



1
North Dakota State Bison
2175
MVFC Auto


2
Eastern Washington Eagles
2004
BigSky Auto


3
Kennesaw State Owls
1944
BigSouth Auto


4
Weber State Wildcats
1920
AL1


5
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1862
AL2


6
Colgate Raiders
1620
Patroit Auto


7
UC Davis Aggies
1616
AL3


8
James Madison Dukes
1568
AL4


9
Stony Brook Seawolves
1433
AL5


10
Maine Black Bears
1287
CAA Auto


11
Towson Tigers
1265
AL6


12
Princeton Tigers
1172
No playoffs


13
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
1096
AL7


14
Elon Phoenix
988
AL8


15
Wofford Terriers
969
AL9


16
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
921
OVC Auto


17
Nicholls State Colonels
879
Southland Auto




18
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
667
Southern Auto


19
Dartmouth Big Green
586
No playoffs


20
North Carolina A&T Aggies
527
AL10


21
Idaho State Bengals
314
AL11


22
Indiana State Sycamores
233
AL12


23
Furman Paladins
201
AL13


24
Incarnate Word Cardinals
174
AL14


25
Montana State Bobcats
137
First Out















ORV:




26
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
131



27
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
130



28
Lamar Cardinals
108



29
San Diego Toreros
88



30
Northern Iowa Panthers
64



31
Western Illinois Leathernecks
46



32
Montana Grizzlies
42



33
Monmouth Hawks
30



34
Abilene Christian Wildcats
22



35
McNeese State Cowboys
17



36
Illinois State Redbirds
12



37
Rhode Island Rams
9



38
Chattanooga Mocs
6



39T
Alcorn State Braves
3



39T
New Hampshire Wildcats
3



39T
Samford Bulldogs
3

[smilo]

Thanks. Well, I'll solve 1/3rd of your mystery then. I decided to vote for them at 25 based on their performance since returning to full strength. Considering they will be ending the year on a 4 game win streak and their losses are to likely playoff teams while without Knight for most of them and an FBS team.

I will say I am a little surprised to see I wasn't the only vote, but good to not be the only one I guess.

Thanks for not leaving me out in the cold. Originally I was sorting through some sort of combination of UNI/WIU/Indiana State for the final two spots, but then I realized that there was no rationale for any except maybe UNI. UNI has lost two out of three on the road to non-playoff teams in ugly fashion.

That left me Idaho State, which I was pained to rank at #25 - but they had to be ahead of Montana State, North Dakota and Montana by various transitive properties.

Incarnate Word probably belongs ahead of some of those teams too - not sure about Idaho State. I will strongly give them some consideration again next week (if Idaho State can't keep up with Weber or UNH falling to Rhody) despite just missing here. Doesn't affect UNH being ranked in my ballot this week.

[ElCid]

Playoff picture according to the AGS Poll




Rank
Team:
Total Points



1
North Dakota State Bison
2175
MVFC Auto


2
Eastern Washington Eagles
2004
BigSky Auto


3
Kennesaw State Owls
1944
BigSouth Auto


4
Weber State Wildcats
1920
AL1


5
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1862
AL2


6
Colgate Raiders
1620
Patroit Auto


7
UC Davis Aggies
1616
AL3


8
James Madison Dukes
1568
AL4


9
Stony Brook Seawolves
1433
AL5


10
Maine Black Bears
1287
CAA Auto


11
Towson Tigers
1265
AL6


12
Princeton Tigers
1172
No playoffs


13
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
1096
AL7


14
Elon Phoenix
988
AL8


15
Wofford Terriers
969
AL9


16
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
921
OVC Auto


17
Nicholls State Colonels
879
Southland Auto



18
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
667
Southern Auto


19
Dartmouth Big Green
586
No playoffs


20
North Carolina A&T Aggies
527
AL10


21
Idaho State Bengals
314
AL11


22
Indiana State Sycamores
233
AL12


23
Furman Paladins
201
AL13


24
Incarnate Word Cardinals
174
AL14


25
Montana State Bobcats
137
First Out















ORV:




26
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
131



27
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
130



28
Lamar Cardinals
108



29
San Diego Toreros
88



30
Northern Iowa Panthers
64



31
Western Illinois Leathernecks
46



32
Montana Grizzlies
42



33
Monmouth Hawks
30



34
Abilene Christian Wildcats
22



35
McNeese State Cowboys
17



36
Illinois State Redbirds
12



37
Rhode Island Rams
9



38
Chattanooga Mocs
6



39T
Alcorn State Braves
3



39T
New Hampshire Wildcats
3



39T
Samford Bulldogs
3





The only clarification on the SOCON is the Auto is not set yet. It's complicated. ETSU wins then you got it. ETSU loses, and Furman wins, then Wofford, Furman and ETSU all tie and it comes down to points. Furman holds Mercer to 15 or less, then Furman takes it; 17 or more, then Wofford takes it. 16 then it is a coin flip between Furman and Wofford. ETSU loses and Furman loses, then Wofford take it. Need a damn script to keep up.

[FUGameBreaker]

Furman at 5-4 (Hoping to finish 6-4)(All D1 schedule)

Best win 7-3 Wofford (34-14)(currently ranked #15 AGS)
Second best win 6-4 UTC
Worst loss 5-5 Samford
Other tough loses @Clemson (FBS), @ETSU (#18 AGS) and @Elon (#14 AGS)
1 missed game due to Hurricane (vs. Colgate)(Out of our control, can't hold that game against this team)
Trying to win 6 of last 7 games

Still have a chance to tie for SoCon Championship with a win @Mercer and ETSU loss to Samford, which will help our chances as well xthumbsupx

[MSUBobcat]

They did pick up a lot of points (went from just 5 last week to 137 this week). I've had them on my "watch list" for a while but I hadn't really noticed the fact that all of their losses were to top 15 teams (although Idaho St is no longer there) and an FBS until someone pointed it out last week. Their wins are nothing special but they've done about exactly what you'd expect a 20-25th ranked team to do with their schedule.

Pretty much sums it up right there. Losses to 3 of the top 5 teams in FCS, 2 being on the road. The loss to ISU-o in their barn by a score will look worse if they get beat up by Weber. I predict they'll make the playoffs with a win in the Brawl. If that transpires, they'll likely host the 1st round, as both MT schools usually throw in good bids (and we haven't been in the playoffs since 2014), and with the right pairing may even move on. Then, in keeping with doing what is expected of a team ranked 20-25 when playing a top 8 team on their field, MSU gets the brakes beat off. Unless between now and then, someone who can throw something even remotely resembling a pass is discovered.

I have a strong feeling 4 BSC teams make the field - the 3 vying for seeds + ISU-o if they upset BBQ or the 7-4 winner of the Brawl if the Bengals lose as expected.

[Schism55]

Flame on, flame on......flamers :D

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Kennesaw State Owls
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Colgate Raiders
7: UC Davis Aggies
8: James Madison Dukes
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: Maine Black Bears
11: Towson Tigers
12: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
13: Wofford Terriers
14: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
15: Princeton Tigers
16: Nicholls State Colonels
17: Elon Phoenix
18: Dartmouth Big Green
19: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
20: North Carolina A&T Aggies
21: Idaho State Bengals
22: Furman Paladins
23: Indiana State Sycamores
24: Incarnate Word Cardinals
25: North Dakota Fighting Hawks

Schism55

The Most Significant Win: Eastern Washington Eagles
The Most Significant Loss: Idaho State Bengals

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Kennesaw State Owls
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Princeton Tigers
7: Maine Black Bears
8: UC Davis Aggies
9: James Madison Dukes
10: Stony Brook Seawolves
11: Colgate Raiders
12: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
13: Nicholls State Colonels
14: Dartmouth Big Green
15: Towson Tigers
16: Wofford Terriers
17: North Carolina A&T Aggies
18: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
19: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
20: Elon Phoenix
21: Montana State Bobcats
22: Indiana State Sycamores
23: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
24: Idaho State Bengals
25: Duquesne Dukes

Go Lehigh TU owl

The Most Significant Win: Eastern Washington Eagles
The Most Significant Loss: Idaho State Bengals
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Patriot League

[grizband]

Pretty much sums it up right there. Losses to 3 of the top 5 teams in FCS, 2 being on the road. The loss to ISU-o in their barn by a score will look worse if they get beat up by Weber. I predict they'll make the playoffs with a win in the Brawl. If that transpires, they'll likely host the 1st round, as both MT schools usually throw in good bids (and we haven't been in the playoffs since 2014), and with the right pairing may even move on. Then, in keeping with doing what is expected of a team ranked 20-25 when playing a top 8 team on their field, MSU gets the brakes beat off. Unless between now and then, someone who can throw something even remotely resembling a pass is discovered.

I have a strong feeling 4 BSC teams make the field - the 3 vying for seeds + ISU-o if they upset BBQ or the 7-4 winner of the Brawl if the Bengals lose as expected.I would expect one of the Montana teams to host San Diego, then be paired with either NDSU (Montana State), or EWU (Montana) in the second round.

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[mvemjsunpx]

This week was such a cluster**** that I actually had to make a spreadsheet to keep track of everyone's good wins/bad losses/etc.



(last week in parentheses)


1. North Dakota St. (1)
2. Weber St. (5)
3. Eastern Washington (6)
4. Princeton (8)
5. UC Davis (3)
6. South Dakota St. (7)
7. Kennesaw St. (2)
8. Nicholls St. (10)
9. Maine (14)
10. Towson (15)
11. James Madison (12)
12. Stony Brook (16)
13. Colgate (13)
14. Dartmouth (18)
15. Idaho St. (9)
16. Delaware (4)
17. North Carolina A&T (17)
18. East Tennessee St. (19)
19. Jacksonville St. (NR)
20. North Dakota (NR)
21. Southeast Missouri St. (20)
22. Incarnate Word (NR)
23. Elon (11)
24. Wofford (25)
25. Furman (NR)

W - Eastern Washington
L - Northern Iowa


Dropped - Western Illinois (21), Northern Iowa (22), Illinois St. (23), Samford (24)


Here's everyone else I considered (in order), to give an idea of what my playoff pecking order would be if my ballot was the sole playoff decider (the at-large cutoff is shown above):

Montana St.
Western Illinois
McNeese St.
Abilene Christian
Alcorn St.
Lamar
Montana
Northern Iowa
Indiana St.
San Diego
Monmouth
Eastern Kentucky

[mvemjsunpx]

I would expect one of the Montana teams to host San Diego, then be paired with either NDSU (Montana State), or EWU (Montana) in the second round.

If Montana (somehow) gets in and Idaho State beats Weber, then the Griz will play ISU.

[BisonTru]

The only clarification on the SOCON is the Auto is not set yet. It's complicated. ETSU wins then you got it. ETSU loses, and Furman wins, then Wofford, Furman and ETSU all tie and it comes down to points. Furman holds Mercer to 15 or less, then Furman takes it; 17 or more, then Wofford takes it. 16 then it is a coin flip between Furman and Wofford. ETSU loses and Furman loses, then Wofford take it. Need a damn script to keep up.

Yeah I think you have to pencil in ETSU for now since they control their own destiny and are technically in sole first place, but this is a good rundown of the possible scenarios.

[grizband]

If Montana (somehow) gets in and Idaho State beats Weber, then the Griz will play ISU.That could happen, although if Idaho State is selected, it hurts Montana's chances. Either way, would anticipate Montana being paired with EWU.

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[ksu_owls]

Yeah I think you have to pencil in ETSU for now since they control their own destiny and are technically in sole first place, but this is a good rundown of the possible scenarios.

yea but man those ETSU fans are so stupid/annoying. Maybe we will get to host them in the second round.

[BisonTru]

yea but man those ETSU fans are so stupid/annoying. Maybe we will get to host them in the second round.

It's likely. You guys are almost a lock to get a team within a bus ride in the second round. ETSU, Wofford, Elon, Furman, Jacksonville St. Someone from that group will be your second round matchup is my guess. Of course this is assuming you take care of JSU.

[ksu_owls]

It's likely. You guys are almost a lock to get a team within a bus ride in the second round. ETSU, Wofford, Elon, Furman, Jacksonville St. Someone from that group will be your second round matchup is my guess. Of course this is assuming you take care of JSU.

Agreed. I like the JSU game at week 12 for us. I hope we take care of business but also acclimate to a more playoff-like type of competition. Playing in the Big South doesn't do us any favors this time of year... should be a good game on Saturday!

[JSUSoutherner]

It's likely. You guys are almost a lock to get a team within a bus ride in the second round. ETSU, Wofford, Elon, Furman, Jacksonville St. Someone from that group will be your second round matchup is my guess. Of course this is assuming you take care of JSU.
I think, as long as JSU wins one solitary game, a JSU/KSU rematch will be guaranteed in the second round

[katss07]

Jacksonville St won their last game of the season last weekend. I’m like 80% sure of that. I don’t like Kennesaw one bit and hope the Gamecocks beat them. That said I’m not confident in a JSU win, hell I don’t know if it’ll even be that close.

Elon, Furman or Wofford. Take your pick. One of those teams will go into Jacksonville and win a round one game. No rematch.

[JSUSoutherner]

Jacksonville St won their last game of the season last weekend. I’m like 80% sure of that. I don’t like Kennesaw one bit and hope the Gamecocks beat them. That said I’m not confident in a JSU win, hell I don’t know if it’ll even be that close.

Elon, Furman or Wofford. Take your pick. One of those teams will go into Jacksonville and win a round one game. No rematch.

I don't disagree about Kennesaw, but I don't think we lose a first round game. We're on the verge of getting a lot of OL back healthy this week or next. I think we can get a postseason win under our belt this year if all goes well. We still have one of the top defenses in the FCS and the Cooper-Pearson combo has been money.

[hoidOfYolen]

Jacksonville St won their last game of the season last weekend. I’m like 80% sure of that. I don’t like Kennesaw one bit and hope the Gamecocks beat them. That said I’m not confident in a JSU win, hell I don’t know if it’ll even be that close.

Elon, Furman or Wofford. Take your pick. One of those teams will go into Jacksonville and win a round one game. No rematch.

I will be surprised if Elon gets into the playoffs this year honestly. I could give you 5 different reasons we probably won't. Not to mention Furman.

[katss07]

I don't disagree about Kennesaw, but I don't think we lose a first round game. We're on the verge of getting a lot of OL back healthy this week or next. I think we can get a postseason win under our belt this year if all goes well. We still have one of the top defenses in the FCS and the Cooper-Pearson combo has been money.
I don’t think you can blame me if I doubt the Gamecocks in the playoffs.

I think ETSU and Furman are favorable matchups. This weekend will be a great measuring stick, for both JSU and their counterparts the rest of the way! xthumbsupx

[Bison56]

I don't disagree about Kennesaw, but I don't think we lose a first round game. We're on the verge of getting a lot of OL back healthy this week or next. I think we can get a postseason win under our belt this year if all goes well. We still have one of the top defenses in the FCS and the Cooper-Pearson combo has been money.

Seen that top defense last year and the year before.

[KSUFAN]

I don't disagree about Kennesaw, but I don't think we lose a first round game. We're on the verge of getting a lot of OL back healthy this week or next. I think we can get a postseason win under our belt this year if all goes well. We still have one of the top defenses in the FCS and the Cooper-Pearson combo has been money.

JSUSoutherner do you think your coach may rest those beat up OL guys? The quote I saw he was talking like the timing of this game is bad and that "Other than playing for a bye week, I don't see many positives. This time of year and going into the playoffs you want to be healthy"

[JSUSoutherner]

JSUSoutherner do you think your coach may rest those beat up OL guys? The quote I saw he was talking like the timing of this game is bad and that "Other than playing for a bye week, I don't see many positives. This time of year and going into the playoffs you want to be healthy"

No idea. We do have the auto so anything's game I guess.

[Professor Chaos]

JSUSoutherner do you think your coach may rest those beat up OL guys? The quote I saw he was talking like the timing of this game is bad and that "Other than playing for a bye week, I don't see many positives. This time of year and going into the playoffs you want to be healthy"
JSU's AD is also on the selection committee so it's possible he and Grass have talked about where they're fitting into the playoff pictures in terms of seeding. If that's the case it's as good an indication as any that the committee isn't nearly as high on JSU as the STATS and Coaches polls are.

Of course if they beat Kennesaw that changes things but my guess is Grass knows they're not getting a bye with anything short of that.

[MSUBobcat]

If Montana (somehow) gets in and Idaho State beats Weber, then the Griz will play ISU.

Idaho State beating Weber will significantly decrease the Brawl's winner's chances, IMO. They'd be asking the committee to give the 5th place team in the Big Sky, with no real quality wins, a playoff berth. It could happen. But the chips would have to fall their way.

[mvemjsunpx]

Idaho State beating Weber will significantly decrease the Brawl's winner's chances, IMO. They'd be asking the committee to give the 5th place team in the Big Sky, with no real quality wins, a playoff berth. It could happen. But the chips would have to fall their way.

Right. I was just pointing out a scenario where UM wouldn't necessarily play San Diego.

Of course, San Diego is a plane trip from anyone likely to be playing in round one, so they could really end up anywhere.

[MR. CHICKEN]

Playoff picture according to the AGS Poll




Rank
Team:
Total Points



1
North Dakota State Bison
2175
MVFC Auto


2
Eastern Washington Eagles
2004
BigSky Auto


3
Kennesaw State Owls
1944
BigSouth Auto


4
Weber State Wildcats
1920
AL1


5
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
1862
AL2


6
Colgate Raiders
1620
Patroit Auto


7
UC Davis Aggies
1616
AL3


8
James Madison Dukes
1568
AL4


9
Stony Brook Seawolves
1433
AL5


10
Maine Black Bears
1287
CAA Auto


11
Towson Tigers
1265
AL6


12
Princeton Tigers
1172
No playoffs


13
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
1096
AL7


14
Elon Phoenix
988
AL8


15
Wofford Terriers
969
AL9


16
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
921
OVC Auto


17
Nicholls State Colonels
879
Southland Auto



18
East Tennessee State Buccaneers
667
Southern Auto


19
Dartmouth Big Green
586
No playoffs


20
North Carolina A&T Aggies
527
AL10


21
Idaho State Bengals
314
AL11


22
Indiana State Sycamores
233
AL12


23
Furman Paladins
201
AL13


24
Incarnate Word Cardinals
174
AL14


25
Montana State Bobcats
137
First Out















ORV:




26
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
131



27
Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
130



28
Lamar Cardinals
108



29
San Diego Toreros
88



30
Northern Iowa Panthers
64



31
Western Illinois Leathernecks
46



32
Montana Grizzlies
42



33
Monmouth Hawks
30



34
Abilene Christian Wildcats
22



35
McNeese State Cowboys
17



36
Illinois State Redbirds
12



37
Rhode Island Rams
9



38
Chattanooga Mocs
6



39T
Alcorn State Braves
3



39T
New Hampshire Wildcats
3



39T
Samford Bulldogs
3





......INCARNATE WORD......ACCORDIN' TA DEY'RE SITE SKED.....HAS OPTED TA PLAY IOWA STATE DECEMBER 1st............DEY'RE OUT..........BRAWK!

[MR. CHICKEN]

First, HAPPY VETERANS DAY! My sincerest thanks to those who have served and to those that are currently serving to ensure our freedom. xsalutex

----------

Second, here is my poll for the week:

Hello Preferred Walk-On:

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote.

Your vote is listed below. (Last week's rank by this voter is denoted in parentheses.)

1: North Dakota State Bison (1) - Left little doubt this past weekend at Missouri State.

2: Eastern Washington Eagles (5) - What a difference a defense has made for the Eagles this year. That was a bit of a statement win against UC-Davis. Even though Weber State beat the Eagles earlier this year, Eastern Washington appears to be the more complete team to this voter. By the way, Weber State and UC-Davis did not play this year.

3: Kennesaw State Owls (3) - Keep winning. Don't care if others say they haven't played anyone. Barometer game (against Jacksonville State) coming up.

4: Weber State Wildcats (4) - Won a game (Southern Utah) that they should have. However, have not looked overly dominant in any game this year. Hence the nod to EWU for #2.

5: South Dakota State Jackrabbits (6) - Moved up a spot due to UC-Davis drop.

6: James Madison Dukes (10) - The CAA is confusing as ****. Some are Maine haters. ;) Some think Towson is the most underrated of them all. ;) Stony Brook appears to be flying under the radar (or at least this voter has missed the in-depth discussions about the Seawolves). New Hampshire...WTF? The six ranked CAA teams are distributed within nine spots in this poll, and this voter thinks the Dukes are still the best of the bunch. Lost to New Hampshire, who has won their last three, and lost to a healthy Elon. Beat Stony Brook, and the only other team of the six this voter ranked that plays the Dukes is Towson (next week). Until next weekend then...

7: Nicholls State Colonels (12) - A Southland team...at #7? Yes, Nicholls has the FBS win and handled the current two hottest Southland teams earlier this year. Even their Abilene Christian loss in week #7 is not looking as bad. This is not a situation where the #1 team from one conference could only compete with the #5 team from another. The Colonels are a good team and will not be an easy out in the playoffs.

8: Stony Brook Seawolves (13) - Stony Brook beat Delaware, who beat Towson, who beat Stony Brook. #8 and #10 could have easily been swapped. Despite the head-to-head (which was a month ago), the deciding point for this voter had to do with the fact that the Seawolves have been pretty tough (3-1; three point loss @ JMU) since their loss to Towson, and their win over Delaware, who recently (two weeks ago) beat Towson. Again, #8 and #10 could have easily been swapped.

9: UC-Davis Aggies (2) - Eastern Washington is tough on the inferno. Played close for a half, which kept the Aggies in the top 10.

10: Towson Tigers (18) - See Stony Brook @ #8. If the Tigers take care of James Madison, Towson would become the top CAA team for this voter.

11: Maine Black Bears (17) - Yep, put me in the Maine hater category. xdontknowx Maine has probably had the most exciting roller coaster ride in this voter's polls. The only things holding me back from declaring the Black Bears as the cream of the CAA crop are Yale and William & Mary. But take care of Elon, and congratulations on your CAA auto-bid (and seed?).

12: Colgate Raiders (14) - I think I summed this one up sufficiently last week. Moved up due to Elon and Idaho State losses.

13: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens (9) - The Seawolves and Blue Hens essentially swapped positions due to the outcome of their game.

14: Elon Phoenix (7) - The Phoenix are now in that unenviable position of needing to beat Maine to reach 7 D1 wins. It is clear that a 6 D1 win team(s) will be in the playoffs. Just not sure that team(s) includes Elon.

15: Princeton Tigers (15) - Finals are only a few weeks away. Enjoy your Thanksgiving break.

16: Dartmouth Big Green (16) - See #15.

17: Idaho State Bengals (8) - Oh no! Cal-Poly? It was a nice run. The Bengals have a chance to be one of those 6 D1 win teams in the playoffs with a win over Weber State next week. Best of luck.

18: Jacksonville State Gamecocks (20) - I suppose someone is going to have issue with this, because Southeast Missouri State beat the Gamecocks head-to-head. Well, **** head-to-head. xlolx This voter stands by previous statements about this AND will raise you the common opponents that are Murray State and Tennessee State (in back-to-back weeks). Doesn't move the needle much for JSU, but SEMO drops (and now cannot win the OVC). Looking forward to the Jacksonville State vs. Kennesaw State match-up to conclude the regular season.

19: Wofford Terriers (NR) - The next three rankings could be arranged any way you like, probably depending on which Southern Conference team you are a fan of.

20: East Tennessee State Buccaneers (21) - Mostly stayed put with a BYE and can win conference with win vs. Samford next week.

21: Furman Paladins (23) - Trying to make case for 6 D1 win team in playoffs. Need to take care of Mercer next week.

22: Indiana State Sycamores (25) - Attempting to end the season with five straight wins (6 D1 wins total) with a close loss to South Dakota State (51-54 in OT). Is this enough to get into the tournament?

23: North Dakota Fighting Hawks (NR) - Beat Portland State and moved into this voter's poll...this is the current state of the FCS. Go get your 7 D1 wins by not slipping up @ Northern Arizona. Then sit and wait (and be sure you put in a good bid for Thanksgiving weekend).

24: Incarnate Word Cardinals (NR) - Will your game @ Iowa State be cancelled? We shall see.

25: Lamar Cardinals (NR) - Would be nice to see six straight wins (including over Incarnate Word, Central Arkansas, and McNeese State) to end season. Unfortunately, these are also the only D1 wins for Lamar. But if you are going to make an argument for 6 D1 wins for the playoffs, six straight to end the season doesn't hurt.

Preferred Walk-On

Most significant win: Indiana State Sycamores - Eliminated Illinois State from playoff consideration. Kept their own playoff hopes alive.

Most significant loss: Northern Iowa Panthers - Now relying on the mercy of the committee. What's worse is that this recent loss was a drubbing...at the hands of Youngstown State.

Which conference does your team play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

.....INCARNATE WORD.....WILL PLAY.....IOWA STATE......DECEMBER 1st.....'CORDIN' TA DEY'RE SITE SKED.......AWK!

....SOMEONE IN DIS MESS....SAID.....DEY BOUGHT OUT NORFFERN ALABAMA......TUH DO IT.......DOODLE-DOO!

[Preferred Walk-On]

.....INCARNATE WORD.....WILL PLAY.....IOWA STATE......DECEMBER 1st.....'CORDIN' TA DEY'RE SITE SKED.......AWK!

....SOMEONE IN DIS MESS....SAID.....DEY BOUGHT OUT NORFFERN ALABAMA......TUH DO IT.......DOODLE-DOO!

I think I recall discussion on AGS of a scenario where if Incarnate Word were to make the playoffs, the Iowa State game is a no-go. Someone on AGS can probably confirm this.

[Bison56]

I think I recall discussion on AGS of a scenario where if Incarnate Word were to make the playoffs, the Iowa State game is a no-go. Someone on AGS can probably confirm this.

^This is what is on the contract, or if ISU is playing for Big 12 championship the game is canceled.

[MR. CHICKEN]

I think I recall discussion on AGS of a scenario where if Incarnate Word were to make the playoffs, the Iowa State game is a no-go. Someone on AGS can probably confirm this.

.....IT'S APPARENTLAH...UH GO........AS NORFFERN ALABAMA'S....SITE HAS REMOVED....INCARNATE WORD....FROM SKED..........BRAWK!

......TUNA85......UH LIONS FAN....CONFIRMS.....IN DUH AT-LARGE FIELD THREAD....POST #113......NORFFERN ALABAM'S SEASON IS [email protected]!

.....NEVERAH DOUBT....DUH BIG BIRD............BRAWK!

[BisonBacker]

Incarnate Word wasn't going to give up that payday!

[MR. CHICKEN]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=29481&stc=1.....DUCATS......RULE..............BRAWK!

[mvemjsunpx]

I think I recall discussion on AGS of a scenario where if Incarnate Word were to make the playoffs, the Iowa State game is a no-go. Someone on AGS can probably confirm this.

Is it still on if UIW loses in the first round?

[Preferred Walk-On]

.....IT'S APPARENTLAH...UH GO........AS NORFFERN ALABAMA'S....SITE HAS REMOVED....INCARNATE WORD....FROM SKED..........BRAWK!

......TUNA85......UH LIONS FAN....CONFIRMS.....IN DUH AT-LARGE FIELD THREAD....POST #113......NORFFERN ALABAM'S SEASON IS [email protected]!

.....NEVERAH DOUBT....DUH BIG BIRD............BRAWK!

Thanks for the link. Did not say anything though about playing ISU though...just that UNA was cancelled.

Conspiracy theory: UIW cancelled with UNA to ensure their record remained intact, so that they could remain in consideration as a 6 D1 win team for the playoffs.

Reality: Yes, it would be about the money.

[Mayville Bison]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: UC Davis Aggies
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Colgate Raiders
8: James Madison Dukes
9: Maine Black Bears
10: Nicholls State Colonels
11: Towson Tigers
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
15: Wofford Terriers
16: Elon Phoenix
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: Princeton Tigers
19: Dartmouth Big Green
20: North Carolina A&T Aggies
21: Idaho State Bengals
22: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
23: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
24: Montana State Bobcats
25: Montana Grizzlies

Mayville Bison

The Most Significant Win: Eastern Washington Eagles
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Iowa Panthers
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Couple notes
- Davis too low. 7-1 against FCS competition plus an FBS win (SJSU not great, but still FBS). Only loss to #2. No "great" wins, but no "bad" wins either.
- Furman too high. Assuming they beat Mercer, that's 6 wins - same as many others and less than many others. Compare to (7-2 against FCS competition) SEMO. SEMO lost to #2 and #4 OVC teams while beating #1 OVC team. Furman lost to #1 and #5 SoCon teams while beating #2 and #4. They also have a bad 38 point loss at Elon on their resume. I'm taking 8-3 SEMO over 6-4 Furman.
- How can anyone figure out the CAA order? I thought I did pretty well and was still off by quite a bit on a couple teams compared to the consensus.

[kalm]

.....IT'S APPARENTLAH...UH GO........AS NORFFERN ALABAMA'S....SITE HAS REMOVED....INCARNATE WORD....FROM SKED..........BRAWK!

......TUNA85......UH LIONS FAN....CONFIRMS.....IN DUH AT-LARGE FIELD THREAD....POST #113......NORFFERN ALABAM'S SEASON IS [email protected]!

.....NEVERAH DOUBT....DUH BIG BIRD............BRAWK!

It’s not ESPN’s team page either. No mention on UNA’s site. You’d think they’re be an article.

Why was ICW given 12 games anyway?

If they have Benson money why did they schedule 3 FBS?

Very confusing.

[Preferred Walk-On]

.....IT'S APPARENTLAH...UH GO........AS NORFFERN ALABAMA'S....SITE HAS REMOVED....INCARNATE WORD....FROM SKED..........BRAWK!

......TUNA85......UH LIONS FAN....CONFIRMS.....IN DUH AT-LARGE FIELD THREAD....POST #113......NORFFERN ALABAM'S SEASON IS [email protected]!

.....NEVERAH DOUBT....DUH BIG BIRD............BRAWK!

MR. CHICKEN (or anyone on AGS really), please read this (3rd paragraph from the end) article directly from UIW's athletics website (posted yesterday) and tell me what you think.

https://uiwcardinals.com/news/2018/11/12/football-uiw-ranked-no-24-in-fcs-stats-media-poll.aspx?path=football

BTW, no mention of Iowa State. Food for thought.

[Professor Chaos]

It’s not ESPN’s team page either. No mention on UNA’s site. You’d think they’re be an article.

Why was ICW given 12 games anyway?

If they have Benson money why did they schedule 3 FBS?

Very confusing.
They don't have 12 games. They bought out the UNA game when they scheduled Iowa St: https://uiwcardinals.com/news/2018/9/12/football-uiw-to-face-iowa-state-on-dec-1.aspx

ESPN.com's schedule for some reason has never taken the UNA/UIW game off (probably because they don't care that much). But both school's official schedules have had that game removed for some time.

I don't even know if they'd have to petition the NCAA for 12 games. I think that's allowed (don't some SWAC schools play 12 games every year?) but you just put yourself in jeopardy of not getting a playoff invite if you schedule a game during the playoffs. With the stipulation UIW got with that Iowa St game that they could get out if they got invited to the playoffs I'm not sure why they bought out the UNA game. They could've kept it I think and been just fine.

[Preferred Walk-On]

They weren't. They bought out the UNA game when they scheduled Iowa St: https://uiwcardinals.com/news/2018/9/12/football-uiw-to-face-iowa-state-on-dec-1.aspx

ESPN.com's schedule for some reason has never taken the UNA/UIW game off (probably because they don't care that much). But both school's official schedules have had that game removed for some time.

Please ignore the conspiracy theory aspect then. Timeline does not fit.

[MR. CHICKEN]

.....DUH CARDINALS......STILL LISTED ON IOWAH STATE....SKED...........BRAWK!

....EDIT FO' CORRECTION.....AWK!

[Preferred Walk-On]

....DUH LIONS.....STILL LISTED ON IOWAH STATE....SKED...........BRAWK!

Yes, the Cardinals are still listed on Iowa State's schedule (and vice versa). Just thought it was interesting that an article from UIW's own website (and assuming from their SID) would emphasize FCS playoff selection and not say a word about Iowa State. Peculiar.

[Preferred Walk-On]

.....INCARNATE WORD.....WILL PLAY.....IOWA STATE......DECEMBER 1st.....'CORDIN' TA DEY'RE SITE SKED.......AWK!

....SOMEONE IN DIS MESS....SAID.....DEY BOUGHT OUT NORFFERN ALABAMA......TUH DO IT.......DOODLE-DOO!

Please see also post #1 of this thread: http://www.anygivensaturday.com/showthread.php?217837-2018-FCS-Playoff-At-Large-Eligibility-(V-6-0)

I must be missing something, right?

[FUGameBreaker]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Eastern Washington Eagles
3: UC Davis Aggies
4: Weber State Wildcats
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
7: Colgate Raiders
8: James Madison Dukes
9: Maine Black Bears
10: Nicholls State Colonels
11: Towson Tigers
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Stony Brook Seawolves
14: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
15: Wofford Terriers
16: Elon Phoenix
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: Princeton Tigers
19: Dartmouth Big Green
20: North Carolina A&T Aggies
21: Idaho State Bengals
22: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
23: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
24: Montana State Bobcats
25: Montana Grizzlies

Mayville Bison

The Most Significant Win: Eastern Washington Eagles
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Iowa Panthers
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Couple notes
- Davis too low. 7-1 against FCS competition plus an FBS win (SJSU not great, but still FBS). Only loss to #2. No "great" wins, but no "bad" wins either.
- Furman too high. Assuming they beat Mercer, that's 6 wins - same as many others and less than many others. Compare to (7-2 against FCS competition) SEMO. SEMO lost to #2 and #4 OVC teams while beating #1 OVC team. Furman lost to #1 and #5 SoCon teams while beating #2 and #4. They also have a bad 38 point loss at Elon on their resume. I'm taking 8-3 SEMO over 6-4 Furman.
- How can anyone figure out the CAA order? I thought I did pretty well and was still off by quite a bit on a couple teams compared to the consensus.




Really Furman to high lol?

You just ranked Idaho St. #21 who is 6-4 and lost to crappy Cal Poly (4-6), they also have a lower division win and best win was against #25 MT St., meanwhile Furman beat Wofford 34-14 who you have ranked #15 in your poll xthumbsupx Boom!

[FUGameBreaker]

You also have North Dakota ranked #23, who is 6-4 with a crappy lose to Idaho (4-6) and 0 wins against AGS top 25 teams

xthumbsupx

[FUGameBreaker]

You also have Montana ranked #25 who is (6-4) and lost to Portland St. (4-6) and has zero wins against AGS top 25 teams


And you have Montana St. ranked #24 who is (6-4) and does not have any wins against AGS top 25 teams

[Mayville Bison]

Really Furman to high lol?

You just ranked Idaho St. #21 who is 6-4 and lost to crappy Cal Poly, they also have a lower division win and best win was against #25 MT St., meanwhile Furman beat Wofford 34-14 who you have ranked #15 in your poll xthumbsupx Boom!

Idaho State is 5-2 against FCS competition. They took my #3 team to OT on the road which could be translated to a win if playing at home. Yeah, they lost to Cal Poly on the road which is about the same as losing to Samford at home.

[FUGameBreaker]

Idaho State is 5-2 against FCS competition. They took my #3 team to OT on the road which could be translated to a win if playing at home. Yeah, they lost to Cal Poly on the road which is about the same as losing to Samford at home.


Um no, Samford better than Cal Poly, and since when did we start translating loses to wins lol

[TheKingpin28]

Um no, Samford better than Cal Poly, and since when did we start translating loses to wins lolSamford got bitch slapped by a bad The Citadel team. Both teams are mediocre at best.

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[FUGameBreaker]

Samford got bitch slapped by a bad The Citadel team. Both teams are mediocre at best.

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I guess Idaho St. will have to earn a big win vs. Weber St. to be considered anyway, so they would at least have 1 good win this year to get them in if they get the win this Saturday

[JSUSoutherner]

Samford got bitch slapped by a bad The Citadel team. Both teams are mediocre at best.

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Just wait until El Cid plays Bama this weekend. That donkey stomping is sure to boost Citadel into the "quality loss" category for Samford.

[dustinthorn93]

The Incarnate Word and Iowa State game is contingent upon neither playing a postseason game that day. Iowa State still has an outside shot at the Big 12 title game that day too. Iowa State scrambled to get another game after the SDSU opener got rained out. If they had finished 5-6 with a canceled lower division game, they wouldn't be bowl eligible.

They took a game against a team that hadn't been very good in the past few years, but still put the caveat of playoffs or Big 12 championship game in the contract.

North Alabama's season is over because UIW bought it out in order to stay under 12 games and play Iowa State and get the payday.

Both schools still have the game listed, because neither are officially in the postseason yet.

[Preferred Walk-On]

24: Incarnate Word Cardinals (NR) - Will your game @ Iowa State be cancelled? We shall see.

This is the post that started the Incarnate Word discussion, and whether or not the game with Iowa State would occur. So this statement is not incorrect, correct? ;)

[Professor Chaos]

The Incarnate Word and Iowa State game is contingent upon neither playing a postseason game that day. Iowa State still has an outside shot at the Big 12 title game that day too. Iowa State scrambled to get another game after the SDSU opener got rained out. If they had finished 5-6 with a canceled lower division game, they wouldn't be bowl eligible.

They took a game against a team that hadn't been very good in the past few years, but still put the caveat of playoffs or Big 12 championship game in the contract.

North Alabama's season is over because UIW bought it out in order to stay under 12 games and play Iowa State and get the payday.

Both schools still have the game listed, because neither are officially in the postseason yet.
Is it necessary to stay under 12 games if that 12th game isn't until 12/1? I didn't think it was so UIW could've kept the UNA game if they wanted to but maybe I'm wrong.

[dustinthorn93]

Is it necessary to stay under 12 games if that 12th game isn't until 12/1? I didn't think it was so UIW could've kept the UNA game if they wanted to but maybe I'm wrong.
I'm not sure on that. I wonder if it had something to do with being an FBS game? I would think they would have just added it and gone from there.

[Professor Chaos]

I'm not sure on that. I wonder if it had something to do with being an FBS game? I would think they would have just added it and gone from there.
Last year Austin Peay played 12 games which included 3 FBS games but I'm pretty sure they needed a waiver from the NCAA to do that since they played 12 straight games prior to Thanksgiving with no bye weeks.

[TheKingpin28]

Just wait until El Cid plays Bama this weekend. That donkey stomping is sure to boost Citadel into the "quality loss" category for Samford.And here I thought it was called The Moral Victory Conference. I guess I was wrong.

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[dbackjon]

Hello dbackjon,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 11/12/2018 9:18:44

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: Weber State Wildcats
3: Eastern Washington Eagles
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: UC Davis Aggies
6: James Madison Dukes
7: Colgate Raiders
8: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
9: Stony Brook Seawolves
10: Princeton Tigers
11: Towson Tigers
12: Wofford Terriers
13: Maine Black Bears
14: East Tennessee State Buccaneers
15: Elon Phoenix
16: Idaho State Bengals
17: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
18: Nicholls State Colonels
19: Dartmouth Big Green
20: Southeast Missouri State Redhawks
21: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
22: North Carolina A&T Aggies
23: Montana State Bobcats
24: Incarnate Word Cardinals
25: Furman Paladins

dbackjon

The Most Significant Win: Eastern Washington Eagles
The Most Significant Loss: Elon Phoenix
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference

[POD Knows]

My wife isn't on AGS but she follows FCS a little bit, mostly just the MVFC, here is her poll

#1 NDSU
#2 Kennesaw State
#3 EWU
#4 UC Davis
#5 Weber State
#6 SDSU
#7 Colgate
#8 JMU
#9 Princeton
#10 Towson
#11 Delaware
#12 Elon
#13 Stony Brook
#14 Maine
#15 JSU
#16 Wofford
#17 Idaho State
#18 Nicholls
#19 UNI
#20 ETSU
#21 Dartmouth
#22 NCAT
#23 McNeese
#24 WIU
#25 SEMO

I called her out on the McNeese and UNI deal. She said she kept UNI in because that is the second best team she saw the Bison play this year. She also said that Wofford sucks because the Bison beat them bad in the playoffs last year but she kept them in the poll, she also was wondering why Incarnate Word was getting votes because they sucked, I think she got them mixed up with MVSU because she said we killed Incarnate Word this year or last year.

[kalm]

My wife isn't on AGS but she follows FCS a little bit, mostly just the MVFC, here is her poll

#1 NDSU
#2 Kennesaw State
#3 EWU
#4 UC Davis
#5 Weber State
#6 SDSU
#7 Colgate
#8 JMU
#9 Princeton
#10 Towson
#11 Delaware
#12 Elon
#13 Stony Brook
#14 Maine
#15 JSU
#16 Wofford
#17 Idaho State
#18 Nicholls
#19 UNI
#20 ETSU
#21 Dartmouth
#22 NCAT
#23 McNeese
#24 WIU
#25 SEMO

I called her out on the McNeese and UNI deal. She said she kept UNI in because that is the second best team she saw the Bison play this year. She also said that Wofford sucks because the Bison beat them bad in the playoffs last year but she kept them in the poll, she also was wondering why Incarnate Word was getting votes because they sucked, I think she got them mixed up with MVSU because she said we killed Incarnate Word this year or last year.

Your wife: better than the Coaches and Stats polls. xnodx

[FUGameBreaker]

My wife isn't on AGS but she follows FCS a little bit, mostly just the MVFC, here is her poll

#1 NDSU
#2 Kennesaw State
#3 EWU
#4 UC Davis
#5 Weber State
#6 SDSU
#7 Colgate
#8 JMU
#9 Princeton
#10 Towson
#11 Delaware
#12 Elon
#13 Stony Brook
#14 Maine
#15 JSU
#16 Wofford
#17 Idaho State
#18 Nicholls
#19 UNI
#20 ETSU
#21 Dartmouth
#22 NCAT
#23 McNeese
#24 WIU
#25 SEMO

I called her out on the McNeese and UNI deal. She said she kept UNI in because that is the second best team she saw the Bison play this year. She also said that Wofford sucks because the Bison beat them bad in the playoffs last year but she kept them in the poll, she also was wondering why Incarnate Word was getting votes because they sucked, I think she got them mixed up with MVSU because she said we killed Incarnate Word this year or last year.



Remind her NDSU also killed Delaware 38-10 and WIU 34-7 this year so she should consider dropping them lol xthumbsupx

[POD Knows]

Remind her NDSU also killed Delaware 38-10 and WIU 34-7 this year so she should consider dropping them lol xthumbsupxLOL, her last 4 teams in were suspect at best. She was surprised that Delaware was 7-3, she said their conference must suck. xdrunkyx

[ElCid]

Samford got bitch slapped by a bad The Citadel team. Both teams are mediocre at best.

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Bad? We aren't bad. Look at the individual results. We are 4 possessions from being 8-1 right now and did as good ( or better) than a top 10 team did against Towson. 4-4 in the SOCON is not bad. Average? Yeah. Bad? No. We will look even better when we bitch slap Bama.

[PaladinNation]

Bad? We aren't bad. Look at the individual results. We are 4 possessions from being 8-1 right now and did as good ( or better) than a top 10 team did against Towson. 4-4 in the SOCON is not bad. Average? Yeah. Bad? No. We will look even better when we bitch slap Bama.

I really hope you guys play well. One thing you guys have shown - The Dogs don't give up. Give 'em hell.

[Reign of Terrier]

Bad? We aren't bad. Look at the individual results. We are 4 possessions from being 8-1 right now and did as good ( or better) than a top 10 team did against Towson. 4-4 in the SOCON is not bad. Average? Yeah. Bad? No. We will look even better when we bitch slap Bama.Double standards galore. We still have to hear about how great a .500 team is in the MVFC all year...

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[JSUSoutherner]

Bad? We aren't bad. Look at the individual results. We are 4 possessions from being 8-1 right now and did as good ( or better) than a top 10 team did against Towson. 4-4 in the SOCON is not bad. Average? Yeah. Bad? No. We will look even better when we bitch slap Bama.
And we're 9 turnovers away from being undefeated and having a blowout win over NC A&T?

If it's and buts were candies and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas.

[POD Knows]

And we're 9 turnovers away from being undefeated and having a blowout win over NC A&T?

If it's and buts were candies and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas.xlolx NDSU was a third down conversion away in the second half from beating JMU and winning the Natty. This is fun.

[F'N Hawks]

If UND didn't get their punts blocked on a weekly basis they would....well... probably be the exact fukin same.

[Professor Chaos]

If all NDSU's players had grown up in the south they'd be at least 57% speedier.

[Bison56]

NDSU never would have won a championship if every team they played in Frisco didn't play there worst game of the year against them.

[kalm]

Double standards galore. We still have to hear about how great a .500 team is in the MVFC all year...

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A .500 SoCon does not suck. A .500 MVFC is not great.

A.500 MVFC is typically considered better because their OOC usually involves a Big 10, BSC, and one FCS patsie. A typical SoCon includes an SEC or ACC and then Gardner Webb and Shorter.

[dewey]

NDSU never would have won a championship if every team they played in Frisco didn't play there worst game of the year against them.

LOL!!!!

Dewey

[semobison]

A .500 SoCon does not suck. A .500 MVFC is not great.

A.500 MVFC is typically considered better because their OOC usually involves a Big 10, BSC, and one FCS patsie. A typical SoCon includes an SEC or ACC and then Gardner Webb and Shorter.

In 2010 the MVFC team that hammered the Cats in Bozeman and took EWU to overtime in the quarterfinals in Cheney was 4-4 in Valley conference play and lost to Misery State 3-0 in the last game of the regular season.

[kalm]

In 2010 the MVFC team that hammered the Cats in Bozeman and took EWU to overtime in the quarterfinals in Cheney was 4-4 in Valley conference play and lost to Misery State 3-0 in the last game of the regular season.

That was a good team. (See what I did there?)

In all honesty, I heard from a member our coaching staff that NDSU was the best team we faced in the playoffs that year.xnodx

Also, Nova squeaked into the playoffs (admittedly without Sczur) and made it to the semi's.

[POD Knows]

That was a good team. (See what I did there?)

In all honesty, I heard from a member our coaching staff that NDSU was the best team we faced in the playoffs that year.xnodx

Also, Nova squeaked into the playoffs (admittedly without Sczur) and made it to the semi's.Yea, and if it wasn't for a couple of bad calls, we would have won the Natty that year. Sorry, I let the tenor from another thread drift into this one.

[Professor Chaos]

That was a good team. (See what I did there?)

In all honesty, I heard from a member our coaching staff that NDSU was the best team we faced in the playoffs that year.xnodx

Also, Nova squeaked into the playoffs (admittedly without Sczur) and made it to the semi's.
Nova at least avoided playing on Thanksgiving weekend that year. Georgia Southern did and they still made the semis. NDSU, GSU, Western Illinois, and South Carolina St were the last 4 teams into the field that year (I thought I recall hearing that NDSU was the last team in though) and GSU made the semis and NDSU made the quarters. It was a wild year in terms of playoff upsets. The #2 seed W&M and the #4 seed Montana St didn't win a game and the #1 seed App St was bounced in the quarters and all 3 of their losses were by multiple scores.

[kalm]

Yea, and if it wasn't for a couple of bad calls, we would have won the Natty that year. Sorry, I let the tenor from another thread drift into this one.

That reminds me. I need to get a hold of Bill Fette and send him his annual check.

Thanks for the reminder!

[POD Knows]

That reminds me. I need to get a hold of Bill Fette and send him his annual check.

Thanks for the reminder!
Hate the Fette

[Professor Chaos]

That reminds me. I need to get a hold of Bill Fette and send him his annual check.

Thanks for the reminder!
Never forget!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdRyGV0kJuY

Honestly us NDSU fans should be sending Bill Fette a thank you for providing the motivation that was the impetus behind what's become the greatest dynasty in the history of the FCS. :D

The rest of the FCS (outside of EWU fans maybe) should hate his guts as much as some Bison fans do!

[semobison]

Since 2010 3 teams from the Valley have made the playoffs with a 4-4 conference record. The playoff record of those teams is 4-4 with 1 quarterfinal appearance.
In that same time frame 6 MVFC teams have made the playoffs with a 5-3 conference record. The playoff record of those teams is 6-7 with one quarterfinal appearance. These records are pretty damn good considering a handful of the losses were to NDSU or other Valley foes.
So yeah, a .500 Valley team in recent history is pretty good. I am amused at the SoCon fans who think that going 5-3 in their conference is the same as going 5-3 in the Valley when the last time they had a team make the Semi's was GSU in 2012, the same year Illinois State 5-3 in the Valley went to Boone and beat #6 App St.

[geaux_sioux]

Never forget!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdRyGV0kJuY

Honestly us NDSU fans should be sending Bill Fette a thank you for providing the motivation that was the impetus behind what's become the greatest dynasty in the history of the FCS. :D

The rest of the FCS (outside of EWU fans maybe) should hate his guts as much as some Bison fans do!

No way NDSU has the success they currently enjoy without that play.

[Reign of Terrier]

Since 2010 3 teams from the Valley have made the playoffs with a 4-4 conference record. The playoff record of those teams is 4-4 with 1 quarterfinal appearance.
In that same time frame 6 MVFC teams have made the playoffs with a 5-3 conference record. The playoff record of those teams is 6-7 with one quarterfinal appearance. These records are pretty damn good considering a handful of the losses were to NDSU or other Valley foes.
So yeah, a .500 Valley team in recent history is pretty good. I am amused at the SoCon fans who think that going 5-3 in their conference is the same as going 5-3 in the Valley when the last time they had a team make the Semi's was GSU in 2012, the same year Illinois State 5-3 in the Valley went to Boone and beat #6 App St.Every time you bring up an obscure season almost a decade ago I'm going to take a drink. I love how us socon fans aren't allowed to cite Georgia Southern or App State but 2010 is totally relevant to how good the Valley is *today*

Getting put in the playoffs is a considerable advantage over those who don't in terms of racking up wins, so it's deceptive and circular. Playoff wins in itself doesn't say much because of regionalization and varying qualities of teams in the first round.

Valley teams get put in the playoffs because they are perceived as tougher (with admittedly a strong OOC) which leads to them getting wins which leads to them getting perceived as tougher. Put another way, they deserve the spot because they sometimes perform better in OOC whereas those in the socon and sometimes Big Sky/CAA don't. Put another way, it's resume not potential.

Put a socon or CAA team in a similar position and they almost always perform similarly well.


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[TheKingpin28]

Never forget!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdRyGV0kJuY

Honestly us NDSU fans should be sending Bill Fette a thank you for providing the motivation that was the impetus behind what's become the greatest dynasty in the history of the FCS. :D

The rest of the FCS (outside of EWU fans maybe) should hate his guts as much as some Bison fans do!

I don't know what hurt more. That play or looking at that field.

[Professor Chaos]

I don't know what hurt more. That play or looking at that field.
I got a little more tolerable once the snow "pinked" it up. I still want to go find whoever had that ****ing cowbell though that the field microphones kept picking up and put it in a car crusher.

For some reason this highlight is a little more appealing to the eyes for me. xlolx


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OzCsSDX8rI

[SpreadTheWord]

My wife isn't on AGS but she follows FCS a little bit, mostly just the MVFC, here is her poll

#1 NDSU
#2 Kennesaw State
#3 EWU
#4 UC Davis
#5 Weber State
#6 SDSU
#7 Colgate
#8 JMU
#9 Princeton
#10 Towson
#11 Delaware
#12 Elon
#13 Stony Brook
#14 Maine
#15 JSU
#16 Wofford
#17 Idaho State
#18 Nicholls
#19 UNI
#20 ETSU
#21 Dartmouth
#22 NCAT
#23 McNeese
#24 WIU
#25 SEMO

I called her out on the McNeese and UNI deal. She said she kept UNI in because that is the second best team she saw the Bison play this year. She also said that Wofford sucks because the Bison beat them bad in the playoffs last year but she kept them in the poll, she also was wondering why Incarnate Word was getting votes because they sucked, I think she got them mixed up with MVSU because she said we killed Incarnate Word this year or last year.

Your wife is correct...the 2014 UIW Cardinals that played against NDSU on Gameday were horrendous. The 2018 version of the Cardinals are a little bit better though. :D

[semobison]

Every time you bring up an obscure season almost a decade ago I'm going to take a drink. I love how us socon fans aren't allowed to cite Georgia Southern or App State but 2010 is totally relevant to how good the Valley is *today*

Getting put in the playoffs is a considerable advantage over those who don't in terms of racking up wins, so it's deceptive and circular. Playoff wins in itself doesn't say much because of regionalization and varying qualities of teams in the first round.

Valley teams get put in the playoffs because they are perceived as tougher (with admittedly a strong OOC) which leads to them getting wins which leads to them getting perceived as tougher. Put another way, they deserve the spot because they sometimes perform better in OOC whereas those in the socon and sometimes Big Sky/CAA don't. Put another way, it's resume not potential.

Put a socon or CAA team in a similar position and they almost always perform similarly well.


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Valley teams are perceived as tougher because of their playoff history and rightfully so and my comparisons were from 2010- 2017. Maybe you don't think previous seasons playoff success should matter and maybe they shouldn't, but they do.
There is no deception on playoff wins, I've gone over this before with you. The Valley has numerous wins in the playoffs on the road against seeded teams. Regionalization IMO has actually helped other conferences avoid all Valley or CAA semifinals.
The ugly fact is in this last decade, year in and year out one could say on average that almost half of the top 25 teams play in two conferences, and the SoCon isn't one of them.
Advice...get better and win more playoff games.

[TheKingpin28]

I got a little more tolerable once the snow "pinked" it up. I still want to go find whoever had that ****ing cowbell though that the field microphones kept picking up and put it in a car crusher.

For some reason this highlight is a little more appealing to the eyes for me. xlolx


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OzCsSDX8rI

Probably ScreamingEagle? xlolx

[kalm]

I got a little more tolerable once the snow "pinked" it up. I still want to go find whoever had that ****ing cowbell though that the field microphones kept picking up and put it in a car crusher.

For some reason this highlight is a little more appealing to the eyes for me. xlolx


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OzCsSDX8rI

They were literally handed out at the gate. Can't remember if it was that game or an earlier one. xlolx

http://s14.postimage.org/95rdikhql/photo.jpg

[Reign of Terrier]

Valley teams are perceived as tougher because of their playoff history and rightfully so and my comparisons were from 2010- 2017. Maybe you don't think previous seasons playoff success should matter and maybe they shouldn't, but they do.
There is no deception on playoff wins, I've gone over this before with you. The Valley has numerous wins in the playoffs on the road against seeded teams. Regionalization IMO has actually helped other conferences avoid all Valley or CAA semifinals.
The ugly fact is in this last decade, year in and year out one could say on average that almost half of the top 25 teams play in two conferences, and the SoCon isn't one of them.
Advice...get better and win more playoff games.

You're using the frame of 2010-2017 and not the frame of 2013-2017 (a better frame, because it's the equivalent of the average player's time in college) because it suits you. What the FCS looked like in 2010 is not predictive of *any* outcomes in 2018. You can't in one breath say that the Socon is bull**** because we haven't advanced to the semis since 2012 and then in another talk about how great the MVFC is by citing numbers going back to 2010.

MVFC playoff wins are deceptive because if you take out NDSU, their record against "power" conferences in the playoffs about .500. We've been over this before. No one disputes that the southland has been a lackluster conference if you take away Sam Houston State's playoff success. The same principle applies with the MVFC, except the reasoning is that that conference just isn't as dominate as its advocates say. Heck, no one even disputes that the MVFC is probably usually the best conference (this year it's the CAA though). But the playoff success in the last 4 years or so is pretty inflated. Even given that success, that doesn't mean that the MVFC predicatively and consistently beats teams in the other power conferences. They don't.

You're basically taking advantage of the fact that most of the teams that were around and relevant a decade ago either aren't around (GSU, App State, Coastal Carolina) or aren't relevant (Montana_. A decade is a long ass time. We didn't really start talking about the MVFC as one of the best conferences until 2012 or so. Between 2007 and 2010, the Socon had 4 really good teams (Elon, Wofford, GSU, App State) that regularly competed tough in the playoffs (well, maybe not Elon, but still). That should be included in your evaluation of "conference strength in the last decade" and yet it's not, and it's obvious why. Most people on this board, especially those in MVFC conferences don't remember that. So when you chest beat about "over the last decade" you're actually talking about the last 7 years, but really the years 2010-2014 when the MVFC admittedly played some good ball, while many conferences such as the socon were in transition. But that doesn't translate to the quality of play today.

So you're really not using evidence so much as you are moving the goal posts to support your pre-existing bias. The real reason we're arguing this point is because we want to have a better understanding of who should be in the playoffs. We're using prior evidence to predict 1) who should be in because of 2) Who would be better on the field of play.

#2 is a monstrous counterfactual we will never solve. So we look at #1. We then subsequently use heuristics (such as conference competition) to simplify the thought process. It's helpful when we're comparing the MVFC/CAA/Socon/Big Sky to the OVC/MEAC/NEC/Pioneer because the latter conferences (sans JSU) predicatively and reliably do terrible in the playoffs.

But if you look at the FCS honestly, every year there are 4-6 teams that stand apart (no more than 2 that play in the MVFC). The mid tier of the conferences (including at the bubble) are pretty much at parity.

Some MVFC fans want a participation trophy for playing in a tough conference. Most conferences are tough. The MVFC doesn't deserve more than 3 spots this year and chest beating about how you did in 2010 doesn't change that.

[POD Knows]

Your wife is correct...the 2014 UIW Cardinals that played against NDSU on Gameday were horrendous. The 2018 version of the Cardinals are a little bit better though. :DOh, yea, the Bison would probably only beat them by 40 now, I think she thought MVSU was UIW though, her best comment was about the CAA sucking because Delaware was 5-2 in the conference, priceless.

[Cocky]

NDSU never would have won a championship if every team they played in Frisco didn't play there worst game of the year against them.

JSU would have won if we would have entered the stadium better.

If you make it to the championship game the team probably doesnt have many loses. If you have few loses then you only had a very few games to have played worse. Playing bad in a win is easily forgotten.

[Reign of Terrier]

JSU would have won if we would have entered the stadium better.

If you make it to the championship game the team probably doesnt have many loses. If you have few loses then you only had a very few games to have played worse. Playing bad in a win is easily forgotten.

Perhaps this is an unpopular opinion or hot take, but I think most of NDSU's blowout wins in the playoff (aside from the occasional cupcake) can be attributable to 1) forcing turnovers and 2) having opponents ROCKED by the Fargodome.

Run the ball, minimize mistakes, and play good defense, you'll be in good shape. Most if not all of the teams that did that either pulled an upset or made the game competitive.

[ksu_owls]

Perhaps this is an unpopular opinion or hot take, but I think most of NDSU's blowout wins in the playoff (aside from the occasional cupcake) can be attributable to 1) forcing turnovers and 2) having opponents ROCKED by the Fargodome.

Run the ball, minimize mistakes, and play good defense, you'll be in good shape. Most if not all of the teams that did that either pulled an upset or made the game competitive.

If you had to describe the Fargo Dome experience, how would you do it? Obviously it's more than an arena league stadium, but is it just loud and big? (those two things are obviously huge factors)

I want us to play there for the experience, but I also don't want us to play there because of the probable outcome.

[semobison]

You're using the frame of 2010-2017 and not the frame of 2013-2017 (a better frame, because it's the equivalent of the average player's time in college) because it suits you. What the FCS looked like in 2010 is not predictive of *any* outcomes in 2018. You can't in one breath say that the Socon is bull**** because we haven't advanced to the semis since 2012 and then in another talk about how great the MVFC is by citing numbers going back to 2010.

MVFC playoff wins are deceptive because if you take out NDSU, their record against "power" conferences in the playoffs about .500. We've been over this before. No one disputes that the southland has been a lackluster conference if you take away Sam Houston State's playoff success. The same principle applies with the MVFC, except the reasoning is that that conference just isn't as dominate as its advocates say. Heck, no one even disputes that the MVFC is probably usually the best conference (this year it's the CAA though). But the playoff success in the last 4 years or so is pretty inflated. Even given that success, that doesn't mean that the MVFC predicatively and consistently beats teams in the other power conferences. They don't.

You're basically taking advantage of the fact that most of the teams that were around and relevant a decade ago either aren't around (GSU, App State, Coastal Carolina) or aren't relevant (Montana_. A decade is a long ass time. We didn't really start talking about the MVFC as one of the best conferences until 2012 or so. Between 2007 and 2010, the Socon had 4 really good teams (Elon, Wofford, GSU, App State) that regularly competed tough in the playoffs (well, maybe not Elon, but still). That should be included in your evaluation of "conference strength in the last decade" and yet it's not, and it's obvious why. Most people on this board, especially those in MVFC conferences don't remember that. So when you chest beat about "over the last decade" you're actually talking about the last 7 years, but really the years 2010-2014 when the MVFC admittedly played some good ball, while many conferences such as the socon were in transition. But that doesn't translate to the quality of play today.

So you're really not using evidence so much as you are moving the goal posts to support your pre-existing bias. The real reason we're arguing this point is because we want to have a better understanding of who should be in the playoffs. We're using prior evidence to predict 1) who should be in because of 2) Who would be better on the field of play.

#2 is a monstrous counterfactual we will never solve. So we look at #1. We then subsequently use heuristics (such as conference competition) to simplify the thought process. It's helpful when we're comparing the MVFC/CAA/Socon/Big Sky to the OVC/MEAC/NEC/Pioneer because the latter conferences (sans JSU) predicatively and reliably do terrible in the playoffs.

But if you look at the FCS honestly, every year there are 4-6 teams that stand apart (no more than 2 that play in the MVFC). The mid tier of the conferences (including at the bubble) are pretty much at parity.

Some MVFC fans want a participation trophy for playing in a tough conference. Most conferences are tough. The MVFC doesn't deserve more than 3 spots this year and chest beating about how you did in 2010 doesn't change that.

Nobody wants a participation trophy and the Valley only deserves three teams this year. The rest of the FCS should be happy the middle of Valley is mucked up this year.
Your overanilization to try and make the SoCon more relevant in length is impressive. If I use the playoff success in the Valley since 2013 the results are the same. Two teams not named NDSU in the finals, 3 teams not named NDSU in the Semi's. A host of wins over seeded teams (too busy to look it up).
SoCon.....no finals, no semi's, how many wins over seeded teams?
Hey, as far as FCS goes you have a good conference. Just don't feed me any crap about being as good recently as the CAA and especially the Valley because your playoff record doesn't stand up!

[Reign of Terrier]

Nobody wants a participation trophy and the Valley only deserves three teams this year. The rest of the FCS should be happy the middle of Valley is mucked up this year.
Your overanilization to try and make the SoCon more relevant in length is impressive. If I use the playoff success in the Valley since 2013 the results are the same. Two teams not named NDSU in the finals, 3 teams not named NDSU in the Semi's. A host of wins over seeded teams (too busy to look it up).
SoCon.....no finals, no semi's, how many wins over seeded teams?
Hey, as far as FCS goes you have a good conference. Just don't feed me any crap about being as good recently as the CAA and especially the Valley because your playoff record doesn't stand up!

Our playoff record is just fine. You're reasoning, however, is the most obvious homerism on this site.

[semobison]

Perhaps this is an unpopular opinion or hot take, but I think most of NDSU's blowout wins in the playoff (aside from the occasional cupcake) can be attributable to 1) forcing turnovers and 2) having opponents ROCKED by the Fargodome.

Run the ball, minimize mistakes, and play good defense, you'll be in good shape. Most if not all of the teams that did that either pulled an upset or made the game competitive.

You do realize we have won our last 6 FBS games on the road!
The reason we have some playoff blowouts can be attributed to the dome where we earned the right to play but the main reason is that the team we are playing, especially in the early rounds is just not that good.

[Reign of Terrier]

You do realize we have won our last 6 FBS games on the road!
The reason we have some playoff blowouts can be attributed to the dome where we earned the right to play but the main reason is that the team we are playing, especially in the early rounds is just not that good.

Wow, you really miss the point of posts. FBS games are totally irrelevant to this discussion. No one said anything about earning or not earning a home game. The point is that the Fargo Dome has a specific advantage of rocking opposing teams.

Go back through every game you've played in the playoffs. The ones that are close involved a team that could run the ball well and didn't turn the ball over. The Fargo Dome causes mistakes with the noise, among them turnovers.

[semobison]

Our playoff record is just fine. You're reasoning, however, is the most obvious homerism on this site.

BS, all I have stated is facts. All you stated is that I'm a homer and your playoff record is ok!
You constantly try to convince people that besides NDSU the Valley is just a better than average conference. You make statements like, YSU caught lightning in a bottle etc..etc..when the fact is they won a bunch of games on the road and made the final. Don't let the facts get in the way of YOUR opinion.

[semobison]

Wow, you really miss the point of posts. FBS games are totally irrelevant to this discussion. No one said anything about earning or not earning a home game. The point is that the Fargo Dome has a specific advantage of rocking opposing teams.

Go back through every game you've played in the playoffs. The ones that are close involved a team that could run the ball well and didn't turn the ball over. The Fargo Dome causes mistakes with the noise, among them turnovers.

I did attribute the Fargodome to some of our playoff blowouts. We have had close playoff games, but we have had blowouts of teams that were not on the same level as well! I guess you didn't get my point either!

[Reign of Terrier]

BS, all I have stated is facts. All you stated is that I'm a homer and your playoff record is ok!
You constantly try to convince people that besides NDSU the Valley is just a better than average conference. You make statements like, YSU caught lightning in a bottle etc..etc..when the fact is they won a bunch of games on the road and made the final. Don't let the facts get in the way of YOUR opinion.

Objectively, YSU caught lightning in a bottle. They have one playoff appearance in the last 12 years. I'm not the only one who says this. Valley fans like Clenz say it as well. That is a fact. The Valley isn't as good as the CAA. Take out North Dakota State and they are on par with the Socon.

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I did attribute the Fargodome to some of our playoff blowouts. We have had close playoff games, but we have had blowouts of teams that were not on the same level as well! I guess you didn't get my point either!

Bringing up your FBS wins and talking about how you deserved the playoff home games implies you read my post as saying that NDSU can't win away from home. I didn't say that. Stop being a homer, you're bad at thinking.

[semobison]

Objectively, YSU caught lightning in a bottle. They have one playoff appearance in the last 12 years. I'm not the only one who says this. Valley fans like Clenz say it as well. That is a fact. The Valley isn't as good as the CAA. Take out North Dakota State and they are on par with the Socon.

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Bringing up your FBS wins and talking about how you deserved the playoff home games implies you read my post as saying that NDSU can't win away from home. I didn't say that. Stop being a homer, you're bad at thinking.

I suppose ISUr making the final was lightning in a bottle too. How about SDSU making the semi's. Things Valley teams not named NDSU have actually accomplished. I'm not bad at thinking and I sure know a bull****ter when I see one!

[Mayville Bison]

Objectively, YSU caught lightning in a bottle. They have one playoff appearance in the last 12 years. I'm not the only one who says this. Valley fans like Clenz say it as well. That is a fact. The Valley isn't as good as the CAA. Take out North Dakota State and they are on par with the Socon.

Now you're just talking crazy if you think the Valley without NDSU is the SoCon.

Best finish of non-NDSU team compared to SoCon

Year Valley Best SoCon Best
2017 SDSU-Semis (L) Wofford-Quarters (L)
2016 YSU-Championship (L) Wofford-Quarters (L)
2015 ISU/UNI-Quarters (L) The Citadel/Chatty-Round 2 (L)
2014 ISU-Championship (L) Chatty-Quarters (L)
2013 SDSU-Round 2 (L) Furman-Round 2 (L)

Stopping there because that's all you've said is relevant to today's landscape. With the exception of 2013, a non-NDSU team has gone at least one round further each year. Notice there are 4 different, non-NDSU teams from the valley since you've said one of the SoCon's strengths is that they send so many different representatives (I'd argue that isn't a strength, but moving on). The CAA and the Valley (not necessarily in that order) are 1 and 1a like they have been for years.

[semobison]

Now you're just talking crazy if you think the Valley without NDSU is the SoCon.

Best finish of non-NDSU team compared to SoCon

Year Valley Best SoCon Best
2017 SDSU-Semis (L) Wofford-Quarters (L)
2016 YSU-Championship (L) Wofford-Quarters (L)
2015 ISU/UNI-Quarters (L) The Citadel/Chatty-Round 2 (L)
2014 ISU-Championship (L) Chatty-Quarters (L)
2013 SDSU-Round 2 (L) Furman-Round 2 (L)

Stopping there because that's all you've said is relevant to today's landscape. With the exception of 2013, a non-NDSU team has gone at least one round further each year. Notice there are 4 different, non-NDSU teams from the valley since you've said one of the SoCon's strengths is that they send so many different representatives (I'd argue that isn't a strength, but moving on). The CAA and the Valley (not necessarily in that order) are 1 and 1a like they have been for years.

Thank you!
But, but, the Valley had more teams in so they should get further...Youngterrier

[IBleedYellow]

That reminds me. I need to get a hold of Bill Fette and send him his annual check.

Thanks for the reminder!


Honestly I'm more pissed off about this ****ty call.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsG4QKv6KOI&t=4s

[Reign of Terrier]

I suppose ISUr making the final was lightning in a bottle too. How about SDSU making the semi's. Things Valley teams not named NDSU have actually accomplished. I'm not bad at thinking and I sure know a bull****ter when I see one!

Let's give them a participation trophy for getting blown out in the semis. Quite.


Now you're just talking crazy if you think the Valley without NDSU is the SoCon.

Best finish of non-NDSU team compared to SoCon

Year Valley Best SoCon Best
2017 SDSU-Semis (L) Wofford-Quarters (L)
2016 YSU-Championship (L) Wofford-Quarters (L)
2015 ISU/UNI-Quarters (L) The Citadel/Chatty-Round 2 (L)
2014 ISU-Championship (L) Chatty-Quarters (L)
2013 SDSU-Round 2 (L) Furman-Round 2 (L)

Stopping there because that's all you've said is relevant to today's landscape. With the exception of 2013, a non-NDSU team has gone at least one round further each year. Notice there are 4 different, non-NDSU teams from the valley since you've said one of the SoCon's strengths is that they send so many different representatives (I'd argue that isn't a strength, but moving on). The CAA and the Valley (not necessarily in that order) are 1 and 1a like they have been for years.

I totally concede that the MVFC was the best conference from ~2013 to 2015. But 2015 was 3 years ago. Current true seniors were freshmen that year. Illinois State is not the same team/program they were 3 years ago. They haven't won a playoff game since 2015. UNI is inconsistent, as we all know. SDSU got to the semifinals by beating an MVFC team and beating a last-team-in UNH last year. I'll concede that they are a good team, rightfully a top 10 team, but are they that much better than the top tier of the CAA or Kennesaw State or Wofford or others? I don't think so.

If you're going to argue that the MVFC is the best conference, there has to be some consistency. We all know NDSU and SDSU are consistent.

Put another way, based on what we've since 2016, 2017, and the likely playoff field in 2018, are you really confident that MVFC will get 4 or more in the playoffs in 2018? Youngstown who is spinning out of control and has made the playoffs once since 2006? Western Illinois who has only beaten Dayton in the playoffs in the last few years(in 2015)? ISUr who hasn't won a playoff game since 2015? UNI who is inconsistent AF? South Dakota? ISUb?

I know that the conference has had some near misses and some cannibalization, but so does every conference. Based upon the product we see on the field in the last 2.9 years, why should we give the MVFC with special treatment?

I grant that SDSU and NDSU are really good teams, but the conference is trending downward.

[Mayville Bison]

Let's give them a participation trophy for getting blown out in the semis. Quite.



I totally concede that the MVFC was the best conference from ~2013 to 2015. But 2015 was 3 years ago. Current true seniors were freshmen that year. Illinois State is not the same team/program they were 3 years ago. They haven't won a playoff game since 2015. UNI is inconsistent, as we all know. SDSU got to the semifinals by beating an MVFC team and beating a last-team-in UNH last year. I'll concede that they are a good team, rightfully a top 10 team, but are they that much better than the top tier of the CAA or Kennesaw State or Wofford or others? I don't think so.

If you're going to argue that the MVFC is the best conference, there has to be some consistency. We all know NDSU and SDSU are consistent.

Put another way, based on what we've since 2016, 2017, and the likely playoff field in 2018, are you really confident that MVFC will get 4 or more in the playoffs in 2018? Youngstown who is spinning out of control and has made the playoffs once since 2006? Western Illinois who has only beaten Dayton in the playoffs in the last few years(in 2015)? ISUr who hasn't won a playoff game since 2015? UNI who is inconsistent AF? South Dakota? ISUb?

I know that the conference has had some near misses and some cannibalization, but so does every conference. Based upon the product we see on the field in the last 2.9 years, why should we give the MVFC with special treatment?

I grant that SDSU and NDSU are really good teams, but the conference is trending downward.

I responded to you saying the MVFC (without NDSU) is on par with the SoCon which is absolutely not true.

Now that you've moved the goalposts, lets have another look at your most recent claim. No, the Valley won't get 4 teams in this year and they shouldn't. However, if NDSU wasn't around, you are looking at a bunch of teams on the bubble with one less loss. SDSU would be looking at a top 2 seed. UNI, WIU, and ISUr who are on the wrong side of the bubble right now would be on the right side of the bubble. You can't just magically take a team away and look at the results with the team's effect still there.

So, are you judging the Valley with NDSU or without NDSU? I'll help your answer...it doesn't matter as either way the Valley is a top 2 conference or at the very least on par with the Big Sky.

[Mayville Bison]

Let's give them a participation trophy for getting blown out in the semis. Quite.



I totally concede that the MVFC was the best conference from ~2013 to 2015. But 2015 was 3 years ago. Current true seniors were freshmen that year. Illinois State is not the same team/program they were 3 years ago. They haven't won a playoff game since 2015. UNI is inconsistent, as we all know. SDSU got to the semifinals by beating an MVFC team and beating a last-team-in UNH last year. I'll concede that they are a good team, rightfully a top 10 team, but are they that much better than the top tier of the CAA or Kennesaw State or Wofford or others? I don't think so.

If you're going to argue that the MVFC is the best conference, there has to be some consistency. We all know NDSU and SDSU are consistent.

Put another way, based on what we've since 2016, 2017, and the likely playoff field in 2018, are you really confident that MVFC will get 4 or more in the playoffs in 2018? Youngstown who is spinning out of control and has made the playoffs once since 2006? Western Illinois who has only beaten Dayton in the playoffs in the last few years(in 2015)? ISUr who hasn't won a playoff game since 2015? UNI who is inconsistent AF? South Dakota? ISUb?

I know that the conference has had some near misses and some cannibalization, but so does every conference. Based upon the product we see on the field in the last 2.9 years, why should we give the MVFC with special treatment?

I grant that SDSU and NDSU are really good teams, but the conference is trending downward.

To answer this question in particular, you absolutely should give the Valley special treatment. The Valley's conference grind sets teams up to be able to make a playoff run. Do they always make that run? No, but if you can survive the conference, you already have been playing playoff football for months. That is why an Illinois State can make a run in the playoffs and then fall off the radar. They have the experience of playing tough, hard-fought football during conference play. You can call Youngstown a flash in the pan all you want, but I would stress they don't make the run to the championship game if they were in the OVC (where they probably should be). The CAA is the only other conference that can claim this based off recent history. Despite the fact you keep changing what is recent.

[Reign of Terrier]

I responded to you saying the MVFC (without NDSU) is on par with the SoCon which is absolutely not true.

Now that you've moved the goalposts, lets have another look at your most recent claim. No, the Valley won't get 4 teams in this year and they shouldn't. However, if NDSU wasn't around, you are looking at a bunch of teams on the bubble with one less loss. SDSU would be looking at a top 2 seed. UNI, WIU, and ISUr who are on the wrong side of the bubble right now would be on the right side of the bubble. You can't just magically take a team away and look at the results with the team's effect still there.

So, are you judging the Valley with NDSU or without NDSU? I'll help your answer...it doesn't matter as either way the Valley is a top 2 conference or at the very least on par with the Big Sky.

It's pretty clear that the conference is on a downward trend. We joke about how Jacksonville State is living off their 2015 season. So is the MVFC. Only teams that have won against a full D1 squad (not Monmouth) since 2016 is Youngstown, SDSU, and NDSU. That trend will likely continue going into 2019.

Half to 2/3 of the conference would not be a bubble team without NDSU. half of the conference has not been relevant in the last decade. 2/3 if you ignore 2016 for Youngstown.

[JSUSoutherner]

It's pretty clear that the conference is on a downward trend. We joke about how Jacksonville State is living off their 2015 season. So is the MVFC. Only teams that have won against a full D1 squad (not Monmouth) since 2016 is Youngstown, SDSU, and NDSU. That trend will likely continue going into 2019.

Half to 2/3 of the conference would not be a bubble team without NDSU. half of the conference has not been relevant in the last decade. 2/3 if you ignore 2016 for Youngstown.

Hey, leave us out of this.

[Reign of Terrier]

To answer this question in particular, you absolutely should give the Valley special treatment. The Valley's conference grind sets teams up to be able to make a playoff run. Do they always make that run? No, but if you can survive the conference, you already have been playing playoff football for months. That is why an Illinois State can make a run in the playoffs and then fall off the radar. They have the experience of playing tough, hard-fought football during conference play. You can call Youngstown a flash in the pan all you want, but I would stress they don't make the run to the championship game if they were in the OVC (where they probably should be). The CAA is the only other conference that can claim this based off recent history. Despite the fact you keep changing what is recent.

Here's something recent: Western Illinois, Indiana State, Southern Illinois, Missouri State, South Dakota, and Youngstown State have 6 playoff wins between them in the last decade. Half of Illinois State's playoff wins came in 2014-2015 (4 of 8). Their senior class next year will not have won a playoff game. UNI and South Dakota State have 5 and 6 playoff wins, which is respectable, but nothing special compared to the top tier of other conferences.

If you look at the average performance of the MVFC, it's just not special.

[Mayville Bison]

Here's something recent: Western Illinois, Indiana State, Southern Illinois, Missouri State, South Dakota, and Youngstown State have 6 playoff wins between them in the last decade. Half of Illinois State's playoff wins came in 2014-2015 (4 of 8). Their senior class next year will not have won a playoff game. UNI and South Dakota State have 5 and 6 playoff wins, which is respectable, but nothing special compared to the top tier of other conferences.

If you look at the average performance of the MVFC, it's just not special.

I'm confused on what you are arguing...

Here's what I'm reading.
#1 Valley team - really really good
#2 & #3 Valley teams - respectable, but not comparable to #1 in other conferences
#4 - Made the championship game, but a 2 year wonder
#5 - Made the championship game, but a "flash in the pan"
#6-10 - May make the playoffs but won't win more than 1 game.

If that's what you are saying, I'd say you are close with a couple discrepancies. If that's it, sure, I'll completely agree with you. If you are trying to argue other conferences are better, you are going to need some other data.

[FUGameBreaker]

He's saying the Valley is trash for such a fine program like NDSU, now get the funds together and get the heck out of FCS xthumbsupx

[Bison56]

He's saying the Valley is trash for such a fine program like NDSU, now get the funds together and get the heck out of FCS xthumbsupx

Or maybe Furman should drop to D2 where they would be competitive xthumbsupx

[FUGameBreaker]

Or maybe Furman should drop to D2 where they would be competitive xthumbsupx


Try to say something nice about a team and see what it gets me lol xsmiley_wix

[TheKingpin28]

Try to say something nice about a team and see what it gets me lol xsmiley_wixThe thing is, he was. xcoffeex

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[Preferred Walk-On]

It's pretty clear that the conference is on a downward trend. We joke about how Jacksonville State is living off their 2015 season. So is the MVFC. Only teams that have won against a full D1 squad (not Monmouth) since 2016 is Youngstown, SDSU, and NDSU. That trend will likely continue going into 2019.

Half to 2/3 of the conference would not be a bubble team without NDSU. half of the conference has not been relevant in the last decade. 2/3 if you ignore 2016 for Youngstown.

Remind me again, which season is the SoCon living off of? Sorry, I could not resist. xdrunkyx

[JSUSoutherner]

Remind me again, which season is the SoCon living off of? Sorry, I could not resist. xdrunkyx
Three wins over Gardner Webb and a quality 6 score loss to Elon.

[caribbeanhen]

I'm confused on what you are arguing...

Here's what I'm reading.
#1 Valley team - really really good
#2 & #3 Valley teams - respectable, but not comparable to #1 in other conferences
#4 - Made the championship game, but a 2 year wonder
#5 - Made the championship game, but a "flash in the pan"
#6-10 - May make the playoffs but won't win more than 1 game.

If that's what you are saying, I'd say you are close with a couple discrepancies. If that's it, sure, I'll completely agree with you. If you are trying to argue other conferences are better, you are going to need some other data.

always sounds better just to say Paul McCartney and Wings...... you know who Paul is but who the heck were Wings anyway....... that is the MVFC

[ElCid]

always sounds better just to say Paul McCartney and Wings...... you know who Paul is but who the heck were Wings anyway....... that is the MVFC

I am trying to get asleep and I read this. Now I am laughing my ass off.

[caribbeanhen]

I am trying to get asleep and I read this. Now I am laughing my ass off.

one of the best things about AGS is I can use that one every year for a few reasons
1 - it's true every year
2 - it gets at least one laugh every year as everyone forgets all about Silly Love Songs

[Bison56]

one of the best things about AGS is I can use that one every year for a few reasons
1 - it's true every year
2 - it gets at least one laugh every year as everyone forgets all about Silly Love Songs

I laugh at that every time you post it. You need to make some kind of poster or something with that on with the teams.

[kalm]

always sounds better just to say Paul McCartney and Wings...... you know who Paul is but who the heck were Wings anyway....... that is the MVFC

Several talented session musicians. I mean Jimmy McCulloch played with Thunderclap Newman! Call out the instigators!

[caribbeanhen]

Several talented session musicians. I mean Jimmy McCulloch played with Thunderclap Newman! Call out the instigators!

daggone, Jimmy McCullogh, nice job Kalm, he would be Illinois State I think

[MR. CHICKEN]

daggone, Jimmy McCullogh, nice job Kalm, he would be Illinois State I think

.......CONKED @ 26.........MORPHINE/ALCOHOL...........PLAYED IN UH VERAH COOL BAND....STONE THE CROWS......AFT....... DEY'RE GUIT-FIDDLE PLAYER.....WAS ELECTRICUTED ON STAGE.....AWK!

[POD Knows]

always sounds better just to say Paul McCartney and Wings...... you know who Paul is but who the heck were Wings anyway....... that is the MVFCLinda McCartney was Southern Illinois, or ISUb or MSU which ever one is worse at the time

[Reign of Terrier]

I'm confused on what you are arguing...

Here's what I'm reading.
#1 Valley team - really really good
#2 & #3 Valley teams - respectable, but not comparable to #1 in other conferences
#4 - Made the championship game, but a 2 year wonder
#5 - Made the championship game, but a "flash in the pan"
#6-10 - May make the playoffs but won't win more than 1 game.

If that's what you are saying, I'd say you are close with a couple discrepancies. If that's it, sure, I'll completely agree with you. If you are trying to argue other conferences are better, you are going to need some other data.

I'm not arguing that the Socon et all are better (except the CAA I think *is*).

But if you look at the MVFC their composition is that of any other conference

#1: usually pretty good (though NDSU is better)
2-3: is probably as good as the top 20 in any conference (but this is the case in the CAA, Socon, Big Sky, and even usually the southland)
4-5: were good a couple years ago and maybe won a couple playoff games, but they've been pretty irrelevant in the last 2 or so years
6-10: have a couple of playoff wins, but few in the last few years, but don't appear to be trending upward.

The only difference with the above (being a sketch of the MVFC) and the Socon is that there's no clear #1. Wofford is probably the closest thing of the last 3 years, but even then...not really. I would put Wofford, Samford, ETSU, UNI, and SDSU in the same conversation.

There are some pretty good parallels between Chattanooga, the Citadel, Illinois State, and Youngstown State.

My general point is, looking at matchups and playoff potential in terms of conferences is simple heuristic but it isn't always reliable. No reasonable person disagrees that the first 1-3 in any of these power conferences (sans the Southland which is like the Big East of power conferences), where we disagree is teams 4-6. Citing playoff runs from 3+ years ago (when said teams were, objectively in the top 3 of the conference) to support special treatment of the 4-6 place team basically tells us to ignore the more recent evidence.

[ST_Lawson]

Linda McCartney was Southern Illinois, or ISUb or MSU which ever one is worse at the time

Dude...can we be Denny Laine? Founding member of both the Moody Blues and Wings.

[POD Knows]

Dude...can we be Denny Laine? Founding member of both the Moody Blues and Wings.I am going to leave that one to the McCartney groupie in PR. :)

[caribbeanhen]

I am going to leave that one to the McCartney groupie in PR. :)

rumor has it that Denny and Linda had a little Wing for each other....

[Evolution Prime]

He's saying the Valley is trash for such a fine program like NDSU, now get the funds together and get the heck out of FCS xthumbsupx

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/EvolutionPrime/South%20Dakota%20State%20Jackrabbits/breaking-news_zpsdibquur2.png

[FUGameBreaker]

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LOLLLL!!!!

[TheKingpin28]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/EvolutionPrime/South%20Dakota%20State%20Jackrabbits/breaking-news_zpsdibquur2.pngWe will never be allowed to leave little brother behind ever again. The state will never allow it, but there is so much truth here. xlolx

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[Preferred Walk-On]

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Nice! Cannot wait for outdoor football again in Fargo (it will be 16 degrees by game time tomorrow; colder for all you tailgaters out there) with no playoffs and hopes of playing on the blue field of Boise State for the Idaho Potato Bowl in mid-December.

If not FBS, then perhaps the CAA or SoCon needs another team to help strengthen their conference. xbeerchugx At the very least teams outside of the Moral Victory Football Conference could be like Delaware and see how they matchup with NDSU every year. Man, I hope Delaware wins the CAA this year.