AGS Poll Results - WEEK 3 POLL - 2018 SEASON

[AGSPoll]

9/17/2018



Rank
Team:
Total Points
First Place Votes
Previous Wk.


1
North Dakota State Bison
2296
89
1


2
James Madison Dukes
2198
3
2


3
South Dakota State Jackrabbits
2093

3


4
Kennesaw State Owls
1873

5


5
Eastern Washington Eagles
1817

4


6
North Carolina A&T Aggies
1811

6


7
Weber State Wildcats
1645

12


8
Maine Black Bears
1591

11


9
Wofford Terriers
1488

10


10
Illinois State Redbirds
1353

13


11
Elon Phoenix
1279

14


12
McNeese State Cowboys
1122

22


13
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
1033

17


14
Central Arkansas Bears
949

18


15
Villanova Wildcats
901

9


16
Samford Bulldogs
786

7


17
UC Davis Aggies
771

19


18
Sam Houston State Bearkats
733

8


19
Rhode Island Rams
520

24


20
Stony Brook Seawolves
439

25


21
Nicholls State Colonels
423

15


22
Montana Grizzlies
349

16


23
North Dakota Fighting Hawks
269

NR


24
Northern Iowa Panthers
250

23


25
Western Illinois Leathernecks
249

31

















ORV:





26
Towson Tigers
235

NR


27
Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
234

27


28
Chattanooga Mocs
181

30


29T
Sac State Hornets
164

28T


29T
South Dakota Coyotes
164

20T


31
Montana State Bobcats
158

33


32
Mercer Bears
144

NR


33
Colgate Raiders
120

26


34
Austin Peay Governors
119

28T


35
Richmond Spiders
29

34


36
Missouri State Bears
23

NR


37
Princeton Tigers
22

NR


38
Harvard Crimson
20

40


39
Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
11

20T


40
Western Carolina Catamounts
10

NR










Most Significant Win:

North Dakota Fighting Hawks




Most Significant Loss:

Sam Houston State Bearkats

























Fell Out Of Poll:





36
Furman Paladins





38
New Hampshire Wildcats





37
Prairie View A&M Panthers





32
Southern Illinois Salukis





35
Yale Bulldogs





39
Youngstown State Penguins

[TheKingpin28]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: North Carolina A&T Aggies
8: Maine Black Bears
9: Central Arkansas Bears
10: Weber State Wildcats
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: McNeese State Cowboys
13: Mercer Bears
14: Elon Phoenix
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: Samford Bulldogs
17: Towson Tigers
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: Stony Brook Seawolves
23: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
24: Sam Houston State Bearkats
25: Sac State Hornets

TheKingpin28

The Most Significant Win: McNeese State Cowboys
The Most Significant Loss: Sam Houston State Bearkats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Flame away. I struggled after around 10. This was easily the toughest week I have had for poll voting.

After going through the aggregate, I was fairly accurate with the top 12. I had 9 teams perfectly placed and had over half of the teams within 2 spots away.

I'm shocked Sac St, Chatty, Mercer, Delaware, and Towson did not crack the T25. I feel like there is zero excuse to exclude Mercer and Towson for what they did to Samford and Nova respectively as well as Chatty beating the teams they should beat.

[Daytripper]

Here is my ugliness...

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: North Carolina A&T Aggies
6: Maine Black Bears
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Elon Phoenix
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: Rhode Island Rams
13: UC Davis Aggies
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: McNeese State Cowboys
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Nicholls State Colonels
20: Stony Brook Seawolves
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Western Illinois Leathernecks
23: Sam Houston State Bearkats
24: Sac State Hornets
25: Austin Peay Governors

[Professor Chaos]

This week's blog post on the poll: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-3-top-25-results/

I was a little surprised we saw some teams hanging on as high as they did like Villanova, Samford, and Sam Houston all still being ranked higher than the teams that beat them last week. Villanova I can somewhat see since they've got a nice win against Temple to fall back on but what have Samford and Sam Houston done to prove they deserve the benefit of the doubt against the teams that beat them at home? They have one D1 win between them so far on the year yet SHSU is ranked 5 spots in front of the team that beat them and Samford is ranked 16(!) spots in front of the team that beat them.

Doesn't make much sense to me.

[Professor Chaos]

For full disclosure here was my crack at it:

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennessaw State Owls
5: North Carolina A&T Aggies
6: Maine Black Bears
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Elon Phoenix
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: UC Davis Aggies
13: Wofford Terriers
14: Mercer Bears
15: Rhode Island Rams
16: McNeese State Cowboys
17: Samford Bulldogs
18: Towson Tigers
19: Villanova Wildcats
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: South Dakota Coyotes
22: Central Arkansas Bears
23: Sacramento State Hornets
24: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
25: Sam Houston State Bearkats

[Daytripper]

This week's blog post on the poll: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-3-top-25-results/

I was a little surprised we saw some teams hanging on as high as they did like Villanova, Samford, and Sam Houston all still being ranked higher than the teams that beat them last week. Villanova I can somewhat see since they've got a nice win against Temple to fall back on but what have Samford and Sam Houston done to prove they deserve the benefit of the doubt against the teams that beat them at home? They have one D1 win between them so far on the year yet SHSU is ranked 5 spots in front of the team that beat them and Samford is ranked 16(!) spots in front of the team that beat them.

Doesn't make much sense to me.

So Mercer should be ranked ahead of Samford? I just saw your poll. So yes.

[PaladinFan]

Pretty brutal to drop Colgate and Furman for having a weather-related game cancellation.

Elon, who also had a weather related game cancellation, moved up 3 spots.

[Professor Chaos]

So Mercer should be ranked ahead of Samford? I just saw your poll. So yes.
Yeah, I think so. They dominated the ball with over 40 minutes TOP. They had more total yards. You can't use the turnovers or penalties as an excuse since each team had 1 TO and penalties were pretty even also (Samford slightly higher). Nothing about Mercer's win seemed flukish to me so I'm very comfortable ranking them ahead of Samford right now.


Pretty brutal to drop Colgate and Furman for having a weather-related game cancellation.

Elon, who also had a weather related game cancellation, moved up 3 spots.
Colgate actually picked up points this week despite there being 8 less voters. They had 111 last week and this week they had 120. There was a lot more competition for votes/points between spots 25-35 this week than there was last week so teams like Colgate and Austin Peay dropped quite a bit in terms of rank but in terms of points they actually picked up some.

[BEAR]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: North Carolina A&T Aggies
8: Maine Black Bears
9: Central Arkansas Bears
10: Weber State Wildcats
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: McNeese State Cowboys
13: Mercer Bears
14: Elon Phoenix
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: Samford Bulldogs
17: Towson Tigers
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: Stony Brook Seawolves
23: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
24: Sam Houston State Bearkats
25: Sac State Hornets

TheKingpin28

The Most Significant Win: McNeese State Cowboys
The Most Significant Loss: Sam Houston State Bearkats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Flame away. I struggled after around 10. This was easily the toughest week I have had for poll voting.

After going through the aggregate, I was fairly accurate with the top 12. I had 9 teams perfectly placed and had over half of the teams within 2 spots away.

I'm shocked Sac St, Chatty, Mercer, Delaware, and Towson did not crack the T25. I feel like there is zero excuse to exclude Mercer and Towson for what they did to Samford and Nova respectively as well as Chatty beating the teams they should beat.



I like your pick for UCA but McNeese is playing pretty darn good. We should have beaten Tulsa. Murray state was a rain game. SLU was our first test and we passed it. Top 15 for sure. I'd put McNeese higher after looking at their defensive stats for the year. SHSU looks like its fading. Nicholls is confusing as heck.

[F'N Hawks]

Here is my ugliness...

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: North Carolina A&T Aggies
6: Maine Black Bears
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Elon Phoenix
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: Rhode Island Rams
13: UC Davis Aggies
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: McNeese State Cowboys
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Nicholls State Colonels
20: Stony Brook Seawolves
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Western Illinois Leathernecks
23: Sam Houston State Bearkats
24: Sac State Hornets
25: Austin Peay Governors

xpopcornx

[RootinFerDukes]

Three first place votes. Some Jimmies are rustled.

[Professor Chaos]

Three first place votes. Some Jimmies are rustled.
Not only that but someone dropped NDSU down to #3 putting another team (presumably SDSU) in front of them. The horror!!!!!

There were 8 less voters this week so maybe we lost the voter who did it but it is kind of funny that SDSU lost their lone 1st place vote after winning by 84 points.

[Derby City Duke]

After 10-12, it's sort of like trying to pick the best chunks out of a pile of vomit for me...




1. North Dakota State Bison


2. Kennesaw State Owls


3. James Madison Dukes


4. South Dakota State Jackrabbits


5. Eastern Washington Eagles


6. Weber State Wildcats


7. North Carolina A&T Aggies


8. Illinois State Redbirds


9. Maine Black Bears


10. Wofford Terriers


11. Elon Phoenix


12. Sam Houston State Bearkats


13. Stony Brook Seawolves


14. Nicholls State Colonels


15. Villanova Wildcats


16. Jacksonville State Gamecocks


17. McNeese State Cowboys


18. Northern Iowa Panthers


19. Austin Peay Governors


20. Samford Bulldogs


21. Sacramento State Hornets


22. Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens


23. South Dakota Coyotes


24. Western Illinois Leathernecks


25. UC Davis




:pumpuke:

[TheKingpin28]

I like your pick for UCA but McNeese is playing pretty darn good. We should have beaten Tulsa. Murray state was a rain game. SLU was our first test and we passed it. Top 15 for sure. I'd put McNeese higher after looking at their defensive stats for the year. SHSU looks like its fading. Nicholls is confusing as heck.

I gave the rain game a benefit of the doubt for UCA. Also, I had UCA at 16 last week and McNeese at 25. That's not to say McNeese can't jump ahead of UCA, which if they beat BYU, who beat them damn Sconies on Saturday, they will easily jump ahead, but right now, I feel like UCA is playing better football with Smith dominating the passing attack and Blackman poised for a breakout year with potential for All-American/Honorable mention. Also, the Jackson's and Terrell are just tearing it up on defense with a combined 50 tackles, 5.5 TFLs, 2 Sacks, 1 INT, 3 PDs, 3 FFs, 1 Fumble Recovery. That is just me though.

[Professor Chaos]

After 10-12, it's sort of like trying to pick the best chunks out of a pile of vomit for me...




12. Sam Houston State Bearkats



SHSU at #12 and no UND? xconfusedx

[JSUSoutherner]

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: North Carolina A&T Aggies
8: Maine Black Bears
9: Central Arkansas Bears
10: Weber State Wildcats
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: McNeese State Cowboys
13: Mercer Bears
14: Elon Phoenix
15: Chattanooga Mocs
16: Samford Bulldogs
17: Towson Tigers
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
20: Rhode Island Rams
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: Stony Brook Seawolves
23: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
24: Sam Houston State Bearkats
25: Sac State Hornets

TheKingpin28

The Most Significant Win: McNeese State Cowboys
The Most Significant Loss: Sam Houston State Bearkats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Flame away. I struggled after around 10. This was easily the toughest week I have had for poll voting.

After going through the aggregate, I was fairly accurate with the top 12. I had 9 teams perfectly placed and had over half of the teams within 2 spots away.

I'm shocked Sac St, Chatty, Mercer, Delaware, and Towson did not crack the T25. I feel like there is zero excuse to exclude Mercer and Towson for what they did to Samford and Nova respectively as well as Chatty beating the teams they should beat.




Here is my ugliness...

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: North Carolina A&T Aggies
6: Maine Black Bears
7: Eastern Washington Eagles
8: Elon Phoenix
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Villanova Wildcats
12: Rhode Island Rams
13: UC Davis Aggies
14: Illinois State Redbirds
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: McNeese State Cowboys
18: Central Arkansas Bears
19: Nicholls State Colonels
20: Stony Brook Seawolves
21: Northern Iowa Panthers
22: Western Illinois Leathernecks
23: Sam Houston State Bearkats
24: Sac State Hornets
25: Austin Peay Governors
Care to defend Samford being that high?

[Preferred Walk-On]

This week's blog post on the poll: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-3-top-25-results/

I was a little surprised we saw some teams hanging on as high as they did like Villanova, Samford, and Sam Houston all still being ranked higher than the teams that beat them last week. Villanova I can somewhat see since they've got a nice win against Temple to fall back on but what have Samford and Sam Houston done to prove they deserve the benefit of the doubt against the teams that beat them at home? They have one D1 win between them so far on the year yet SHSU is ranked 5 spots in front of the team that beat them and Samford is ranked 16(!) spots in front of the team that beat them.

Doesn't make much sense to me.

Hi Professor. I am one of the offenders (see poll below). Had this philosophical discussion with some buddies. When I think about this, I ask myself how often I think a team might win a matchup if played 10 times. This is potentially a bulls*&% way to approach this, but it is the way I approach these grey-area rankings and I believe that SHSU might beat UND 6-7 times out of 10 (hence the higher ranking). Also, the Southland is a free-for-all at this point, and until some conference games are played, this cannot be reliably sorted out (no matter what anybody might tell you), hence the cluster of Southland teams that you could throw darts at at this point. Tried not to penalize any team that had a bye. Also have tried not to have too many knee-jerk reactions to a "big" win here or a "poor" loss there. This is why a team that is beat by another (at least by my consistent, but potentially flawed logic) does not automatically get passed by their opponent, and vice versa.

Also, JMU with three 1st place votes and SDSU losing their sole 1st place vote...I would like to see those polls posted. SDSU won by a larger margin, didn't they. Also, who would win between Robert Morris, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, and North Alabama in a cage match? - We'll likely never know. If the increase in JMU 1st place votes is simply due to a larger margin of victory over RMU than NDSU over UNA and the blatant disregard for 84 point margin of victory for SDSU, I must say I am a bit confused. Oh well, that's why we have a playoff, right...right???

-----

Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/16/2018


Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Kennesaw State Owls
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Elon Phoenix
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: North Carolina A&T Aggies
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: Central Arkansas Bears
11: Weber State Wildcats
12: Sam Houston State Bearkats
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: UC Davis Aggies
16: Rhode Island Rams
17: Sac State Hornets
18: Illinois State Redbirds
19: Maine Black Bears
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: South Dakota Coyotes
23: Austin Peay Governors
24: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
25: Western Illinois Leathernecks


The Most Significant Win: McNeese State Cowboys
The Most Significant Loss: Villanova Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[TheKingpin28]

After 10-12, it's sort of like trying to pick the best chunks out of a pile of vomit for me...




1. North Dakota State Bison


2. Kennesaw State Owls


3. James Madison Dukes


4. South Dakota State Jackrabbits


5. Eastern Washington Eagles


6. Weber State Wildcats


7. North Carolina A&T Aggies


8. Illinois State Redbirds


9. Maine Black Bears


10. Wofford Terriers


11. Elon Phoenix


12. Sam Houston State Bearkats


13. Stony Brook Seawolves


14. Nicholls State Colonels


15. Villanova Wildcats


16. Jacksonville State Gamecocks


17. McNeese State Cowboys


18. Northern Iowa Panthers


19. Austin Peay Governors


20. Samford Bulldogs


21. Sacramento State Hornets


22. Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens


23. South Dakota Coyotes


24. Western Illinois Leathernecks


25. UC Davis




:pumpuke:

The bold ones I am confused on for ranking. Just wondering how McNeese, who thrashed NSU is below them in your ranking. Also, no GFCC, Towson, or Mercer?

[Daytripper]

Care to defend Samford being that high?

They layed an egg. It happens. They continue to slide, they go away.

[nodak651]

Hi Professor. I am one of the offenders (see poll below). Had this philosophical discussion with some buddies. When I think about this, I ask myself how often I think a team might win a matchup if played 10 times. This is potentially a bulls*&% way to approach this, but it is the way I approach these grey-area rankings and I believe that SHSU might beat UND 6-7 times out of 10 (hence the higher ranking).



Not knocking your poll, but a question about your philosophy. When you are thinking of how many times a team would win out of ten, how do you take into account the venue? Is it a hypothetical 50/50 slit (5 home 5 away) or is it 10 games at wherever the game was played?

[nodak651]

The bold ones I am confused on for ranking. Just wondering how McNeese, who thrashed NSU is below them in your ranking. Also, no GFCC, Towson, or Mercer?

And your bolded UNI and Western Illinois, both are ranked, but not Montana? And UNI at 18???

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Hi Professor. I am one of the offenders (see poll below). Had this philosophical discussion with some buddies. When I think about this, I ask myself how often I think a team might win a matchup if played 10 times. This is potentially a bulls*&% way to approach this, but it is the way I approach these grey-area rankings and I believe that SHSU might beat UND 6-7 times out of 10 (hence the higher ranking). Also, the Southland is a free-for-all at this point, and until some conference games are played, this cannot be reliably sorted out (no matter what anybody might tell you), hence the cluster of Southland teams that you could throw darts at at this point. Tried not to penalize any team that had a bye. Also have tried not to have too many knee-jerk reactions to a "big" win here or a "poor" loss there. This is why a team that is beat by another (at least by my consistent, but potentially flawed logic) does not automatically get passed by their opponent, and vice versa.

Also, JMU with three 1st place votes and SDSU losing their sole 1st place vote...I would like to see those polls posted. SDSU won by a larger margin, didn't they. Also, who would win between Robert Morris, Arkansas-Pine Bluff, and North Alabama in a cage match? - We'll likely never know. If the increase in JMU 1st place votes is simply due to a larger margin of victory over RMU than NDSU over UNA and the blatant disregard for 84 point margin of victory for SDSU, I must say I am a bit confused. Oh well, that's why we have a playoff, right...right???

-----

Hello Preferred Walk-On,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/16/2018


Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: Kennesaw State Owls
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Elon Phoenix
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: North Carolina A&T Aggies
8: Wofford Terriers
9: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
10: Central Arkansas Bears
11: Weber State Wildcats
12: Sam Houston State Bearkats
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Samford Bulldogs
15: UC Davis Aggies
16: Rhode Island Rams
17: Sac State Hornets
18: Illinois State Redbirds
19: Maine Black Bears
20: Nicholls State Colonels
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: South Dakota Coyotes
23: Austin Peay Governors
24: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
25: Western Illinois Leathernecks


The Most Significant Win: McNeese State Cowboys
The Most Significant Loss: Villanova Wildcats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

It is possible SDSU lost their #1 vote due to that voter not voting this week. I have not looked.

[TheKingpin28]

And your bolded UNI and Western Illinois, both are ranked, but not Montana? And UNI at 18???

I was wondering about why they are ranked. I didn't have them ranked and I just wanted to know he did.

[Professor Chaos]

Hi Professor. I am one of the offenders (see poll below). Had this philosophical discussion with some buddies. When I think about this, I ask myself how often I think a team might win a matchup if played 10 times. This is potentially a bulls*&% way to approach this, but it is the way I approach these grey-area rankings and I believe that SHSU might beat UND 6-7 times out of 10 (hence the higher ranking). Also, the Southland is a free-for-all at this point, and until some conference games are played, this cannot be reliably sorted out (no matter what anybody might tell you), hence the cluster of Southland teams that you could throw darts at at this point. Tried not to penalize any team that had a bye. Also have tried not to have too many knee-jerk reactions to a "big" win here or a "poor" loss there. This is why a team that is beat by another (at least by my consistent, but potentially flawed logic) does not automatically get passed by their opponent, and vice versa.

It's your prerogative to have that philosophy and I think it's fine as long as you're consistent with it. The problem I have with it is you're getting into very subjective measures when you're voting. Let's use Samford and Mercer as the example. Going into the season you had Samford as a better team which most everyone did but that's subjective. After that you're hypothesizing what would happen with additional matchups to use what might happen to justify discounting what did happen which is also subjective. Personally, I don't think Samford hanging tough with Florida St (which is really all they have so far this year) discounts that they lost at home to Mercer. Maybe if they played Mercer 10 more times they'd win 7. Maybe if they played Florida St 10 more times they wouldn't get within 20 points of them in any one.

Regardless, it's a tough balancing act this early in the season and as more games play out we'll see whether Samford is more the team that hung with Florida St or the team that lost at home to Mercer. FWIW if Mercer keeps it up it may not look like that bad of a loss in a few weeks either.

[Fear the Bird]

Slot voters everywhere are proud of this poll!

[Preferred Walk-On]

Not knocking your poll, but a question about your philosophy. When you are thinking of how many times a team would win out of ten, how do you take into account the venue? Is it a hypothetical 50/50 slit (5 home 5 away) or is it 10 games at wherever the game was played?

No worries. I wouldn't take anything said on AGS personally. I would simply move on with my life. ;)

That was another discussion that was had (venue). I will say that I usually do not consider the venue (or weather) unless it really appeared to factor into the outcome of that particular game. I realize that Bowers is different than the Alerus (outdoor vs. indoor, but not crowd-wise), but I feel like SHSU had a few more opportunities to win that game, hence the 6-7/10. That said, I will be interested to see how both teams respond this week (SHSU to the loss and UND to that win). The assessment was meant neither to be a knock on UND nor blind support for SHSU...it is merely an educated guess, nay, a gut feeling.

[Professor Chaos]

Slot voters everywhere are proud of this poll!
Just wait until the STATS and Coach's polls come out.... they'll be beaming.

[nodak651]

I was wondering about why they are ranked. I didn't have them ranked and I just wanted to know he did.
I think we're on the same page. I was referring to the poll you quoted, and I mostly agree with the teams that you emphasized. That's why I quoted you.

[TheKingpin28]

I think we're on the same page. I was referring to the poll you quoted, and I mostly agree with the teams that you emphasized. That's why I quoted you.

Ah, it was confusing what you were saying and that is why I explained why I bolded certain teams. UNI, on the road to start the season at UM and Iowa is a bitch of a schedule. I can see if someone had them 20 and lower as I would not argue against it, but I need to see them get a W before they jump back in.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

A bunch of ballots just got sent. Check poll voter forum for additional information.

[Thumper 76]

Hello Thumper 76,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/16/2018 13:42:33

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Maine Black Bears
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: North Carolina A&T Aggies
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Weber State Wildcats
9: Illinois State Redbirds
10: Rhode Island Rams
11: Kennesaw State Owls
12: Samford Bulldogs
13: Elon Phoenix
14: McNeese State Cowboys
15: UC Davis Aggies
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Mercer Bears
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Towson Tigers
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Sam Houston State Bearkats
23: Chattanooga Mocs
24: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
25: Colgate Raiders

Thumper 76

The Most Significant Win: McNeese State Cowboys
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota Coyotes
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Fire away.


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[JSUSoutherner]

Hello Thumper 76,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/16/2018 13:42:33

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Maine Black Bears
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: North Carolina A&T Aggies
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Weber State Wildcats
9: Illinois State Redbirds
10: Rhode Island Rams
11: Kennesaw State Owls
12: Samford Bulldogs
13: Elon Phoenix
14: McNeese State Cowboys
15: UC Davis Aggies
16: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Mercer Bears
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Towson Tigers
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Sam Houston State Bearkats
23: Chattanooga Mocs
24: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
25: Colgate Raiders

Thumper 76

The Most Significant Win: McNeese State Cowboys
The Most Significant Loss: South Dakota Coyotes
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

Fire away.


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[JSUSoutherner]

I don't think my poll counted this week but this is what I had:

1. NDSU
2. JMU
3. SDSU
4. KSU
5. Weber
6. EWU
7. Wofford
8. Elon
9. ISUr
10. NCA&T
11. Maine
12. Jax State
13. McNeese
14. UCA
15. UC Davis
16. Chattanooga
17. Sam Houston State
18. WIU
19. Montana State
20. Montana
21. Stony Brooks
22. North Dakota
23. Colgate
24. Austin Peay
25. Mercer

[BEAR]

I gave the rain game a benefit of the doubt for UCA. Also, I had UCA at 16 last week and McNeese at 25. That's not to say McNeese can't jump ahead of UCA, which if they beat BYU, who beat them damn Sconies on Saturday, they will easily jump ahead, but right now, I feel like UCA is playing better football with Smith dominating the passing attack and Blackman poised for a breakout year with potential for All-American/Honorable mention. Also, the Jackson's and Terrell are just tearing it up on defense with a combined 50 tackles, 5.5 TFLs, 2 Sacks, 1 INT, 3 PDs, 3 FFs, 1 Fumble Recovery. That is just me though.

I didnt' look at UCA that way. Nice perspective. BYE U this week will clarify whether we have a good defense or not. xlolx Traveling to SHSU the week after will be a challenge.

[Mayville Bison]

Completely messed up Samford/Mercer. Even looking at my spreadsheet shows the 1-2 record on the line and I still messed it up. Sorry Bears fans.



1

North Dakota State


2

James Madison


3

South Dakota State


4

NC A&T


5

Maine


6

Wofford


7

Weber State


8

Illinois State


9

Kennesaw State


10

Eastern Washington


11

Elon


12

Villanova


13

Jacksonville State


14

Central Arkansas


15

McNeese State


16

Stony Brook


17

Samford


18

UC Davis


19

North Dakota


20

Rhode Island


21

Sam Houston State


22

Delaware


23

Nicholls State


24

Towson


25

Missouri State

[McCowboys]

I didnt' look at UCA that way. Nice perspective. BYE U this week will clarify whether we have a good defense or not. xlolx Traveling to SHSU the week after will be a challenge.

UCA is the defending SLC champion. A win on the road in this conference is huge. A win in Louisiana at a not-so-bad SLU is worthy of note.

Can't really get a read on Sam Houston yet. The defense seems to be better (?) but their offense has declined (?).

My ballot won't be sent to me until tomorrow, and so I will post it then.

[dewey]

I also posted this in the STATS poll thread but...

No one will ever accuse me of being a GFCC fan but SHSU being ahead of GFCC is absurd. It is slot voting. Early in the season there is a lot of movement.

SHSU's resume.
Home - W vs Prairie View A&M 41-32
Home - L vs GFCC 24-23

GFCC's resume.
Home - W vs Mississippi Valley State 35-7
@ #9 Washington (FBS) 45-3
Away - W Sam Houston State 24-23

I ask again how can SHSU be ahead of GFCC? My guess is Sam Houston State has much higher name recognition.

Of course some voters try to project how a team will be later in the season vs how they are right now. My argument for GFCC being higher would obviously be what we have seen so far through 3 weeks of the season but also basing it on what each team has returning.

I haven't gotten my poll back yet but I will post it when I do.

I know I messed up on Villanova-Towson and Mercer-Samford.

Dewey

[caribbeanhen]

Hello caribbeanhen,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/16/2018 6:51:44

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: North Carolina A&T Aggies
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: Maine Black Bears
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Kennesaw State Owls
11: Elon Phoenix
12: Towson Tigers
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: Mercer Bears
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: Sam Houston State Bearkats
17: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Western Illinois Leathernecks
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: South Dakota Coyotes
22: UC Davis Aggies
23: Rhode Island Rams
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: Sac State Hornets

caribbeanhen

The Most Significant Win: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
The Most Significant Loss: Sam Houston State Bearkats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Colonial Athletic Association

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[Professor Chaos]

Hello caribbeanhen,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/16/2018 6:51:44

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: North Carolina A&T Aggies
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: Maine Black Bears
9: Wofford Terriers
10: Kennesaw State Owls
11: Elon Phoenix
12: Towson Tigers
13: Villanova Wildcats
14: Mercer Bears
15: Samford Bulldogs
16: Sam Houston State Bearkats
17: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: Western Illinois Leathernecks
20: Northern Iowa Panthers
21: South Dakota Coyotes
22: UC Davis Aggies
23: Rhode Island Rams
24: Central Arkansas Bears
25: Sac State Hornets

caribbeanhen

The Most Significant Win: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
The Most Significant Loss: Sam Houston State Bearkats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Colonial Athletic Association

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6 MVFC teams in your top 21??? Pass that Kool-Aid over here! ;)

[PantherRob82]

Hello PantherRob82,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/16/2018 17:04:17

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: North Carolina A&T Aggies
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Eastern Washington Eagles
5: Maine Black Bears
6: James Madison Dukes
7: UC Davis Aggies
8: Elon Phoenix
9: Towson Tigers
10: Rhode Island Rams
11: Wofford Terriers
12: Montana State Bobcats
13: Western Illinois Leathernecks
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Montana Grizzlies
16: Mercer Bears
17: Kennesaw State Owls
18: McNeese State Cowboys
19: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
20: Samford Bulldogs
21: Nicholls State Colonels
22: Weber State Wildcats
23: Central Arkansas Bears
24: Illinois State Redbirds
25: Sam Houston State Bearkats

PantherRob82

The Most Significant Win: Towson Tigers
The Most Significant Loss: Sam Houston State Bearkats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

[Mike296]

Here’s my mess of a poll


We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/16/2018 10:20:23

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: North Carolina A&T Aggies
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Maine Black Bears
8: Weber State Wildcats
9: Illinois State Redbirds
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: Elon Phoenix
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Samford Bulldogs
14: Sam Houston State Bearkats
15: Eastern Washington Eagles
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Rhode Island Rams
18: Nicholls State Colonels
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Austin Peay Governors
21: Chattanooga Mocs
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Sac State Hornets
24: Montana Grizzlies
25: Montana State Bobcats

Mike296

The Most Significant Win: Austin Peay Governors
The Most Significant Loss: Rhode Island Rams
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Ohio Valley Conference





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[Catatonic]

I also posted this in the STATS poll thread but...

No one will ever accuse me of being a GFCC fan but SHSU being ahead of GFCC is absurd. It is slot voting. Early in the season there is a lot of movement.

SHSU's resume.
Home - W vs Prairie View A&M 41-32
Home - L vs GFCC 24-23

GFCC's resume.
Home - W vs Mississippi Valley State 35-7
@ #9 Washington (FBS) 45-3
Away - W Sam Houston State 24-23

I ask again how can SHSU be ahead of GFCC? My guess is Sam Houston State has much higher name recognition.

Of course some voters try to project how a team will be later in the season vs how they are right now. My argument for GFCC being higher would obviously be what we have seen so far through 3 weeks of the season but also basing it on what each team has returning.

I haven't gotten my poll back yet but I will post it when I do.

I know I messed up on Villanova-Towson and Mercer-Samford.

Dewey

Name recognition is part of it. Slot voting is another huge issue. SHSU was a top 10 school, so a loss means they move down but not far enough down that an unranked school jumps them in the polls even if the unranked team beat the ranked team. A third factor is lack of conference affiliation. Voters tend to support schools from their own “tribe,”in part because they are more familiar with those schools.

Speaking of “tribe”not to be overlooked is voter disdain for a school that didn’t have the balls to stand up to the NCAA to keep their mascot. Maybe that’s just me though.

[F'N Hawks]

Name recognition is part of it. Another factor is lack of conference affiliation. Voters tend to support schools from their own “tribe,”in part because they are more familiar with those schools.

Speaking of “tribe”not to be overlooked is voter disdain for a school that didn’t have the balls to stand up to the NCAA to keep their mascot. Maybe that’s just me though.

is that last part bait?

[Catatonic]

is that last part bait?

It’s early in the week and I’m bored.

[F'N Hawks]

It’s early in the week and I’m bored.

xthumbsupx proud of myself for asking first.

[FUBeAR]

Yeah, I think so. They dominated the ball with over 40 minutes TOP. They had more total yards. You can't use the turnovers or penalties as an excuse since each team had 1 TO and penalties were pretty even also (Samford slightly higher). Nothing about Mercer's win seemed flukish to me so I'm very comfortable ranking them ahead of Samford right now.I was there; fortunate enough to be on the sidelines & have since watched the replay. There was absolutely nothing ‘flukish’ about Mercer’s win. They played the ‘cleanest’ game they have played since their PFL days. Their new QB was throwing BB’s to 9 different Receivers in 8 of 9 sectors (did not throw a behind-the-line middle screen). They controlled the clock with tempo & with an effective, punishing downhill running game. Their OL played with great effort, even though I think they are still not that great up front. If they improve & gel up there, this Offense can be very strong. On D, they brought some pressure from their 3-4, but mostly played it ‘straight’ & focused on keeping everything in front of them. I counted 1 missed tackle the entire game. Samford’s shifty WR’s, RB’s, and QB are usually racking up 10 missed tackles a quarter. The Mercer D is deep & experienced in most spots and very well-Coached. They got blitzkrieged at Memphis (as GaState did this week), but I will be surprised if that happens again this regular season. Special Teams, despite 1 missed FG, were ‘money.’

All that said, Samford’s D is young and, more importantly, they are/were missing a lot of Players. The FSU game was very physical. I believe both of their Starting Safeties were out & they have a weakness at 1 CB slot. The other CB is All SoCon level, IMO, and Mercer didn’t test him often...which tells me something (good) about Mercer’s new OC. Maybe bigger than all of that was the absence of returning SoCon DPOY & Buchanan Award candidate, Ahmad Gooden, who was out for the 1st half due to a Targeting Ejection vs. FSU. I don’t know if Mercer converts many of those 1st downs in the 1st half if he’s out there. He’s the heart & soul of that D, so his absence was bigger than his Stat line would have been. When he returned to start the 2nd half, he just didn’t seem to be his normal terror. Perhaps just standing on the sidelines in 100 degree heat can take the fire away, more than Playing in it.

It was no fluke, but Mercer caught Samford at exactly the right time and capitalized on that opportunity. My sense is that they have enough maturity at this point to keep it going. I also think that Samford is still a Top Team and will rebound from this IF they can get their Secondary back into good health. Not many, if any, better QB’s than Hodges & the same can be said for their WR, McKnight.

[PantherRob82]

So Mercer should be ranked ahead of Samford? I just saw your poll. So yes.

Is there a debate over which team is better? xlolx

[PantherRob82]

Pretty brutal to drop Colgate and Furman for having a weather-related game cancellation.

Elon, who also had a weather related game cancellation, moved up 3 spots.

Furman has nothing to be ranked on, they probably got jumped by teams picking up good wins.

Colgate' s best win is 0-3 UNH

Both teams needed the game to be played.

[FUBeAR]

Completely messed up Samford/Mercer...Sorry Bears fansAccepted.

I will accidentally have North Dakota as my #1Team next week and also accidentally put Howard at #2 and have Bucknell at #3...accidentally. ;-)

JK - thanks for thinking of the Bears. Hope they can live with a little success. Glad it’s El Cid coming to Macon this week. Not because they are ‘easy;’ exactly the opposite. The 1st 3 games between Mercer & CIT were decided by a TOTAL of 5 points - all CIT wins and each were BRAWLS. Mercer got ‘em pretty good in Charleston last year, but if the Mercer kids don’t think they are going to be in for a FIGHT on Sat. and bring their best game, then they deserve the whippin’ the bellhops are capable of putting on them.

[Redbird 4th & short]

Name recognition is part of it. Slot voting is another huge issue. SHSU was a top 10 school, so a loss means they move down but not far enough down that an unranked school jumps them in the polls even if the unranked team beat the ranked team. A third factor is lack of conference affiliation. Voters tend to support schools from their own “tribe,”in part because they are more familiar with those schools.

Speaking of “tribe”not to be overlooked is voter disdain for a school that didn’t have the balls to stand up to the NCAA to keep their mascot. Maybe that’s just me though.
agree .. but basically, you can't just put 100% credence in single head to head match ups, especially just 3 weeks into season .. you'd drive yourself crazy doing the a beat b and b beat c, so therefore .... and so on. You have to give some weight to prior year program performance over time. I have zero issue with SHSU being ranked ahead of UND at this point in season ... a one point win doesn't automatically catapult a team outside the the top 25 over a team that had been top 10 for 6 straight years. If those were the only 2 teams .. maybe so ... but there's a whole bunch of other teams between those to that they would be leapfrogging both directions, that may or may not have won or lost a game they shouldn't have. Then the notion that this could happen any week and any game there was an upset ... yeesh .. what a mess .. it just does NOT work that way. You need a resume of games over many many weeks .. all taken together .. something like Massey and Sagarin tries to do. None are perfect by anymeans, especially as you corss divisions .. but I trust a computer before the FCP Coaches or STATS polls .. especially at FCS level.

[caribbeanhen]

6 MVFC teams in your top 21??? Pass that Kool-Aid over here! ;)

haha, at least I picked Weber State to take out South Dakota in the Valley Pick em..... unlike many of the flock

[MR. CHICKEN]

Here’s my mess of a poll


We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/16/2018 10:20:23

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: North Carolina A&T Aggies
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Maine Black Bears
8: Weber State Wildcats
9: Illinois State Redbirds
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: Elon Phoenix
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Samford Bulldogs
14: Sam Houston State Bearkats
15: Eastern Washington Eagles
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Rhode Island Rams
18: Nicholls State Colonels
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Austin Peay Governors
21: Chattanooga Mocs
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Sac State Hornets
24: Montana Grizzlies
25: Montana State Bobcats

Mike296

The Most Significant Win: Austin Peay Governors
The Most Significant Loss: Rhode Island Rams
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Ohio Valley Conference





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WHAA WAS SO...SIGNIFICANT.....'BOUT AUSTIN PEAY's....W.....OVER....MORE-HEAD STATE......xconfusedx...........&....RHODEY's LOSS........TA FBS....UCONN.....xconfusedx.........BRAWK!!

[Derby City Duke]

SHSU at #12 and no UND? xconfusedx

A 1-pt win on the road, even against a highly ranked squad doesn't equal (to me, anyway) a jump of 15-20 spots in the poll; nor does a top-10 team's home 1-pt loss mean that they must be ranked behind the team that won that game. I didn't move Maine into my T25 until after their win over Western Kentucky (which would look really good had WKU held off Louisville Saturday). UND was outside our our own AGS T40 just last Monday.

If SHSU doesn't improve with their new QB then I will rank them accordingly. Same for UND.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I don't think my poll counted this week but this is what I had:

1. NDSU
2. JMU
3. SDSU
4. KSU
5. Weber
6. EWU
7. Wofford
8. Elon
9. ISUr
10. NCA&T
11. Maine
12. Jax State
13. McNeese
14. UCA
15. UC Davis
16. Chattanooga
17. Sam Houston State
18. WIU
19. Montana State
20. Montana
21. Stony Brooks
22. North Dakota
23. Colgate
24. Austin Peay
25. Mercer

It counts as far as a submitted vote. It won't next time as we know the fix to this problem now.

[Mike296]

WHAA WAS SO...SIGNIFICANT.....'BOUT AUSTIN PEAY's....W.....OVER....MORE-HEAD STATE......xconfusedx...........&....RHODEY's LOSS........TA FBS....UCONN.....xconfusedx.........BRAWK!!

I didn’t have many choices for good wins this week and Rhodes loss is significant because the played phenomenal against a pretty decent team in UCONN


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[MR. CHICKEN]

.....UCONN.....PICKED NEXT TA LAST......IN AAC.....BAH STREET & SMIFF.......UH TEAM UH FRESHMEN/SOPHS!.....xrolleyesx........AWQ!

[MTfan4life]

I see Samford is still getting a lot of respect for hanging with Florida State. Florida State is not a good team, everybody.

Yes, Samford might still be pretty good, though, but they need to start getting some positive results soon!

Plus, I can see why Mercer might not be ranked quite yet, but being way down at 32, that's confusing. They beat the high and mighty Samford on the road and are 2-1. I feel like that's a pretty good record to have to be ranked after 3 weeks. I'd say the same about Towson, considering they also have a high profile road win and are also 2-1.

[Mike296]

.....UCONN.....PICKED NEXT TA LAST......IN AAC.....BAH STREET & SMIFF.......UH TEAM UH FRESHMEN/SOPHS!.....xrolleyesx........AWQ!

They may be young but a P6 team is a P6 team so you can’t say they don’t deserve some recognition.


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[MR. CHICKEN]

They may be young but a P6 team is a P6 team so you can’t say they don’t deserve some recognition.


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.........xsighx.......................BRAWK!

[Preferred Walk-On]

It's your prerogative to have that philosophy and I think it's fine as long as you're consistent with it. The problem I have with it is you're getting into very subjective measures when you're voting. Let's use Samford and Mercer as the example. Going into the season you had Samford as a better team which most everyone did but that's subjective. After that you're hypothesizing what would happen with additional matchups to use what might happen to justify discounting what did happen which is also subjective. Personally, I don't think Samford hanging tough with Florida St (which is really all they have so far this year) discounts that they lost at home to Mercer. Maybe if they played Mercer 10 more times they'd win 7. Maybe if they played Florida St 10 more times they wouldn't get within 20 points of them in any one.

Regardless, it's a tough balancing act this early in the season and as more games play out we'll see whether Samford is more the team that hung with Florida St or the team that lost at home to Mercer. FWIW if Mercer keeps it up it may not look like that bad of a loss in a few weeks either.


It's your prerogative to have that philosophy and I think it's fine as long as you're consistent with it. The problem I have with it is you're getting into very subjective measures when you're voting. Let's use Samford and Mercer as the example. Going into the season you had Samford as a better team which most everyone did but that's subjective. After that you're hypothesizing what would happen with additional matchups to use what might happen to justify discounting what did happen which is also subjective. Personally, I don't think Samford hanging tough with Florida St (which is really all they have so far this year) discounts that they lost at home to Mercer. Maybe if they played Mercer 10 more times they'd win 7. Maybe if they played Florida St 10 more times they wouldn't get within 20 points of them in any one.

Regardless, it's a tough balancing act this early in the season and as more games play out we'll see whether Samford is more the team that hung with Florida St or the team that lost at home to Mercer. FWIW if Mercer keeps it up it may not look like that bad of a loss in a few weeks either.

I mean no disrespect to you or the polling process whatsoever, but I am unclear as to how it is not subjective when teams play each other the third week of the season and have not played any common opponents nor the remainder of their respective schedules, yet Team 1 wins and automatically passes Team 2 in the polls (let alone the subjectivity of which and how many other teams Team 1 should or should not pass and how many teams Team 2 should or should not fall below). These polls are really about how people deal with the subjectiveness of their picks (because they are all subjective, period). For example, when NDSU lost to USD at home, did anyone really think that USD was the better team (besides USD fans)? When Brock Jensen throws two pick sixes to ISUblue in the Dome, and they lose, is ISUblue the better team? If your answer is "Yes, I would move them above NDSU in each circumstance", then while I would respect your consistency and right to do so, I might question your "subjectivity" as well.

The AGS poll is subjective, plain and simple; however, what makes it a better poll is the amount of thought and reasoning that pollsters use that go into the rankings and the discussion thereafter. I don't think you will change my thoughts on my rankings much (unless there is some glaring miss, which one might feel there is), and I don't think I will change many's minds either. That is OK. The other thing that makes this poll a good poll is when many people vote, my opinion on Samford and Mercer is balanced out by yours, and the teams where people are in agreement rise to the top. Regardless, I really hope my analysis does not become a problem for you or others. Just thought a perspective needed to be added for not automatically slotting a team better just because they won one game versus a ranked opponent. That is what the playoffs are for. Samford started high and stuck with FSU (which at the time, some thought was a good loss). I agree with your assessment about Mercer; however, I am not ready to declare them a top 25 (precisely because the FSU loss does not look as good after FSU gets their doors blown off and this does not help Samford as much), and I am not ready to write Samford off just yet either. Their placement is in my poll might be debatable; however, the other question I always ask is "should other teams below replace them". This was a point of contention between myself and my buddies about where I placed Weber State, for example. Let's just say we agreed to disagree...and they are no longer my friends. :)

FWIW: I just want to add that I respect your point of view, and I respect many of the posts you make here on AGS. Almost all of them are cogent and thoughtful arguments for discussion. Your point above is valid, I merely disagree in that I believe all polls have a degree of subjectivity, and I would argue that most subjective analyses have little advantages over others. That is the nature of subjectivity.

My apologies for the long-winded post.

[Derby City Duke]

The bold ones I am confused on for ranking. Just wondering how McNeese, who thrashed NSU is below them in your ranking. Also, no GFCC, Towson, or Mercer?

UND/SHSU: A 1-pt win on the road, even against a highly ranked squad doesn't equal (to me, anyway) a jump of 15-20 spots in the poll; nor does a top-10 team's home 1-pt loss mean that they must be ranked behind the team that won that game. I didn't move Maine into my T25 until after their win over Western Kentucky (which would look really good had WKU held off Louisville Saturday). UND was outside our our own AGS T40 just last Monday.

USD: I guess I could've dropped them out, but they lost on the road to my #6; I didn't get a chance to see stats in real time so maybe it was worse than the box score indicates

WIU: they were just outside my T25; I thought a win against Montana by overcoming a 10-point deficit late with their defense making some tough stands was notable.

UNI: I don't generally hold FBS losses against teams. If there are unusual circumstances I may drop a team (in my #18 and #19 I plead guilty to the effects of a weekend at Camden Yards in Baltimore and a late night flight home -- slot vote alert)

Towson/Mercer: 2 teams outside our AGS Top 51 last Monday. While the both wins were more unexpected than the UND win, I don't think that justifies a +26 place jump.

Long season -- still lots of time for movement.

You guys may not agree with my rationale, but it's mine and you can't have it xthumbsupx

[Preferred Walk-On]

UND/SHSU: A 1-pt win on the road, even against a highly ranked squad doesn't equal (to me, anyway) a jump of 15-20 spots in the poll; nor does a top-10 team's home 1-pt loss mean that they must be ranked behind the team that won that game. I didn't move Maine into my T25 until after their win over Western Kentucky (which would look really good had WKU held off Louisville Saturday). UND was outside our our own AGS T40 just last Monday.

USD: I guess I could've dropped them out, but they lost on the road to my #6; I didn't get a chance to see stats in real time so maybe it was worse than the box score indicates

WIU: they were just outside my T25; I thought a win against Montana by overcoming a 10-point deficit late with their defense making some tough stands was notable.

UNI: I don't generally hold FBS losses against teams. If there are unusual circumstances I may drop a team (in my #18 and #19 I plead guilty to the effects of a weekend at Camden Yards in Baltimore and a late night flight home -- slot vote alert)

Towson/Mercer: 2 teams outside our AGS Top 51 last Monday. While the both wins were more unexpected than the UND win, I don't think that justifies a +26 place jump.

Long season -- still lots of time for movement.

You guys may not agree with my rationale, but it's mine and you can't have it xthumbsupx

"Any other use of this post or any pictures, descriptions, or accounts of this post without DCD's consent is strictly prohibited." Oops, I quoted it. Now what?

[Derby City Duke]

"Any other use of this post or any pictures, descriptions, or accounts of this post without DCD's consent is strictly prohibited." Oops, I quoted it. Now what?

xcoffeex

[caribbeanhen]

After 10-12, it's sort of like trying to pick the best chunks out of a pile of vomit for me...




1. North Dakota State Bison


2. Kennesaw State Owls


3. James Madison Dukes


4. South Dakota State Jackrabbits


5. Eastern Washington Eagles


6. Weber State Wildcats


7. North Carolina A&T Aggies


8. Illinois State Redbirds


9. Maine Black Bears


10. Wofford Terriers


11. Elon Phoenix


12. Sam Houston State Bearkats


13. Stony Brook Seawolves


14. Nicholls State Colonels


15. Villanova Wildcats


16. Jacksonville State Gamecocks


17. McNeese State Cowboys


18. Northern Iowa Panthers


19. Austin Peay Governors


20. Samford Bulldogs


21. Sacramento State Hornets


22. Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens


23. South Dakota Coyotes


24. Western Illinois Leathernecks


25. UC Davis




:pumpuke:

Derby I'm just not seeing Kenny on top of James, no way no how,

Sammy beat Kenny last year

JMU destroyed Sammy the year before

I know it's this year now but I have no idea how you can justify putting Kennesaw State over JMU right now.....

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Everyone is entitled to their own philosophy and so forth but making statements like "they don't deserve to jump up x amount of spots" doesn't make sense. Your early season ballot is not based on anything that you know at that point. It is guessing, hopefully guessing with some education and so forth but make no mistake that your rankings early really should not be a major basis of what you are doing with teams this week. Your early guesses were likely incorrect so no need to drag feet when there are only 3 games in. Look at the first 4 or t ballots as individual efforts and a very weak link to your prior efforts and we will probably be better off. Don't even look at your prior vote next week and just see what you come up with.

I'm not overly impressed with our effort this week really and as was pointed out there seems to be a lot of you slotting your ballot instead of re-looking at what has actually happened so far. We usually seem to live more in reality than what we fantasized these teams to be when we had less information.

As far as Samford goes the ballots were all over the map on this one. Some (a lot) did not have them at all. Others had them pretty darn high. I bet it sort of evened out but with what we know to be true it looks off to me so if it weren't for some leaving them out it would have been worse than it is now.

[katss07]

Whoa, Sam behind UCA?

[Derby City Duke]

Everyone is entitled to their own philosophy and so forth but making statements like "they don't deserve to jump up x amount of spots" doesn't make sense. Your early season ballot is not based on anything that you know at that point. It is guessing, hopefully guessing with some education and so forth but make no mistake that your rankings early really should not be a major basis of what you are doing with teams this week. Your early guesses were likely incorrect so no need to drag feet when there are only 3 games in. Look at the first 4 or t ballots as individual efforts and a very weak link to your prior efforts and we will probably be better off. Don't even look at your prior vote next week and just see what you come up with.

I'm not overly impressed with our effort this week really and as was pointed out there seems to be a lot of you slotting your ballot instead of re-looking at what has actually happened so far. We usually seem to live more in reality than what we fantasized these teams to be when we had less information.

As far as Samford goes the ballots were all over the map on this one. Some (a lot) did not have them at all. Others had them pretty darn high. I bet it sort of evened out but with what we know to be true it looks off to me so if it weren't for some leaving them out it would have been worse than it is now.

I hear you about the 'jumping x number of slots' with a particular teams. Maybe I should be more precise in my language - my rationale is more akin to 'is team X now better than all # of teams' that are ahead of them in my rankings? I do put time in on these; less than some and more than some others, I expect.

I appreciate the feedback and being asked to defend my positions -- will make me a better voter and FCS fan down the road.

[Professor Chaos]

A 1-pt win on the road, even against a highly ranked squad doesn't equal (to me, anyway) a jump of 15-20 spots in the poll; nor does a top-10 team's home 1-pt loss mean that they must be ranked behind the team that won that game. I didn't move Maine into my T25 until after their win over Western Kentucky (which would look really good had WKU held off Louisville Saturday). UND was outside our our own AGS T40 just last Monday.

If SHSU doesn't improve with their new QB then I will rank them accordingly. Same for UND.
Fair enough but it's easier to avoid getting twisted up in your rankings in later weeks if you don't worry about how far you're dropping or raising teams from the previous week this early in the season. I think it's easier to prop up UND and drop down SDSU now and then adjust in a week or two based on their next games than it is to try to further read into what happened this last game with those two teams based on what they do in the next week or two (if that makes sense). Just my xtwocentsx.

[Derby City Duke]

Fair enough but it's easier to avoid getting twisted up in your rankings in later weeks if you don't worry about how far you're dropping or raising teams from the previous week this early in the season. I think it's easier to prop up UND and drop down SDSU now and then adjust in a week or two based on their next games than it is to try to further read into what happened this last game with those two teams based on what they do in the next week or two (if that makes sense). Just my xtwocentsx.

xthumbsupx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I hear you about the 'jumping x number of slots' with a particular teams. Maybe I should be more precise in my language - my rationale is more akin to 'is team X now better than all # of teams' that are ahead of them in my rankings? I do put time in on these; less than some and more than some others, I expect.

I appreciate the feedback and being asked to defend my positions -- will make me a better voter and FCS fan down the road.

I've seen that phrasing a lot in the past is what lead me to pick up on it and I can see that some voters seem to have this as a basis of their current ballot so wanted to mention it for going forward.

If you (anyone) had not voted yet and knowing what you do now and nothing else would your ballot look like it does now? If so, great. If not then it is a problem in the thinking that should be looked at maybe. That is what you suggested I would guess in getting to being a better voter.xthumbsupx

We could all be doing everything logically according to each other and 1 guy is doing some crazy **** we disagree with and that guy might actually have the better ranking. xlolx

[JSUSoutherner]

It counts as far as a submitted vote. It won't next time as we know the fix to this problem now.

Yeah, I'll hold that L for this week. It shouldn't have come to what it did and I'll make sure to make sure it doesn't again.

[Professor Chaos]

I mean no disrespect to you or the polling process whatsoever, but I am unclear as to how it is not subjective when teams play each other the third week of the season and have not played any common opponents nor the remainder of their respective schedules, yet Team 1 wins and automatically passes Team 2 in the polls (let alone the subjectivity of which and how many other teams Team 1 should or should not pass and how many teams Team 2 should or should not fall below). These polls are really about how people deal with the subjectiveness of their picks (because they are all subjective, period). For example, when NDSU lost to USD at home, did anyone really think that USD was the better team (besides USD fans)? When Brock Jensen throws two pick sixes to ISUblue in the Dome, and they lose, is ISUblue the better team? If your answer is "Yes, I would move them above NDSU in each circumstance", then while I would respect your consistency and right to do so, I might question your "subjectivity" as well.

The AGS poll is subjective, plain and simple; however, what makes it a better poll is the amount of thought and reasoning that pollsters use that go into the rankings and the discussion thereafter. I don't think you will change my thoughts on my rankings much (unless there is some glaring miss, which one might feel there is), and I don't think I will change many's minds either. That is OK. The other thing that makes this poll a good poll is when many people vote, my opinion on Samford and Mercer is balanced out by yours, and the teams where people are in agreement rise to the top. Regardless, I really hope my analysis does not become a problem for you or others. Just thought a perspective needed to be added for not automatically slotting a team better just because they won one game versus a ranked opponent. That is what the playoffs are for. Samford started high and stuck with FSU (which at the time, some thought was a good loss). I agree with your assessment about Mercer; however, I am not ready to declare them a top 25 (precisely because the FSU loss does not look as good after FSU gets their doors blown off and this does not help Samford as much), and I am not ready to write Samford off just yet either. Their placement is in my poll might be debatable; however, the other question I always ask is "should other teams below replace them". This was a point of contention between myself and my buddies about where I placed Weber State, for example. Let's just say we agreed to disagree...and they are no longer my friends. :)

FWIW: I just want to add that I respect your point of view, and I respect many of the posts you make here on AGS. Almost all of them are cogent and thoughtful arguments for discussion. Your point above is valid, I merely disagree in that I believe all polls have a degree of subjectivity, and I would argue that most subjective analyses have little advantages over others. That is the nature of subjectivity.

My apologies for the long-winded post.
This is what I mean.

Team A beat Team B so Team A should be ranked ahead of Team B = objective reasoning
Team A beat Team B but I think if they played once more or 10 more times Team B would win more often than not so I'm ranking Team B higher than Team A = subjective reasoning

The first scenario is fact based, the second is an educated opinion. When we get further into the season and there's more fact based data to go on it's easier to justify the use of an educated opinion in that scenario (like you could've with NDSU vs USD in 2015 or NDSU vs InSU in 2012 since those games were weeks 6 and/or 7 I think). This early in the season though you're already using a subjective preseason opinion to justify your reasoning so that's why I think it's tough to use that model in poll voting when you're basing it on only 1 or 2 other games played by each team and your preseason thoughts of each.

And to be clear I'm not saying your method is wrong, I just think there's a better way to look at it that'll make voting easier for you as the season goes on. You're free to disagree and vote as you'd like.

[JSUSoutherner]

I didn’t have many choices for good wins this week and Rhodes loss is significant because the played phenomenal against a pretty decent team in UCONN


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Note: it's not "good" or "BEST" it's "Most significant"

For example, Mercer over Samford or North Dakota over Sam Houston State.

Wins that mean something.

APSU trashing a non-schollie team means exactly jack ****.

[Mike296]

Note: it's not "good" or "BEST" it's "Most significant"

For example, Mercer over Samford or North Dakota over Sam Houston State.

Wins that mean something.

APSU trashing a non-schollie team means exactly jack ****.

Here’s the thing about the Mercer/Samford and ND over SHSU wins, I understand why those are significant in their own right but here’s the thing about APSU’s win over Morehead St, we set a school record for points in a game, yes I know it was against a bad team that we let score 40 on us but setting a school record qualifies as significant to me.


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[Preferred Walk-On]

I'm not overly impressed with our effort this week really and as was pointed out there seems to be a lot of you slotting your ballot instead of re-looking at what has actually happened so far. We usually seem to live more in reality than what we fantasized these teams to be when we had less information.

Ursus, I think this was just a really tough week in general (early in the season, the matchups, and the number of losses for the AGS Top 25).

That said, if you threw all the teams randomly on a board and asked people to pick them off based strictly off of W/L for that week, you would likely not have a poll steeped in reality either. Plus, where do the BYE teams go for the week (do they just disappear to make their valiant return the next week)?

I feel like the early weeks are kind of like the hashing out of where teams were "predicted to be" vs. "where they really are" vs. "where they will end up" mixed in with sprinkles of surprises throughout. To yours and others' point about slot voting: I can tell you from my personal perspective that I look at the AGS Poll then forget it. I also look at the other polls, then forget them. Each week, I have a spreadsheet (like has been suggested) that has my previous week poll and that poll only. I do not base my rankings on any other poll, period (and I only use my own poll to get team names and not make mistakes or duplicate picks, which using my own poll may be the fatal flaw). What this discussion forum does for me is to get me thinking about other teams I might have missed or how much credence I really should or should not be giving a team. I then copy those teams in a column, add other teams I might consider (which BTW are not from the AGS Poll, the next 15, nor the ORV...heck, it took me a minute to realize what ORV stood for). Using games I watched, box scores, and Supe's "How They Fared" as guides, I then place the teams in an order that I see fit. After, I ask myself should a team move up or down slots by whether or not their performance might warrant it and through admittedly subjective analysis (see previous posts in this thread). I would like to also point out that I did have BYE week teams drop in the poll (should they, let the debate begin). I think next week, I am going to put together a poll in a similar fashion to that described above, and I will also put together a poll strictly based on W/L with no limitations whatsoever on how many spots a team can jump or be jumped - let any sort of previous rankings be damned, and I don't even need to watch the games any more (even though I still will), because there will no longer be much need for the "eye" test.

I do agree with you to a degree on the "they don't deserve to jump"; however, there has to be a degree of thought about whether or not a team should really jump umpteen spots for an early season win (or dropped for an early season loss). Question for everyone though, should we not factor in at all "where a team might end up" in the rankings. If so, I really need to rethink my entire existence...or at least the poll. xdrunkyx

[semobison]

Hello Semobison,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/16/2018 14:31:11

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Wofford Terriers
6: Maine Black Bears
7: Illinois State Redbirds
8: North Carolina A&T Aggies
9: Weber State Wildcats
10: Eastern Washington Eagles
11: Elon Phoenix
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Rhode Island Rams
14: McNeese State Cowboys
15: UC Davis Aggies
16: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Samford Bulldogs
19: Villanova Wildcats
20: Stony Brook Seawolves
21: Chattanooga Mocs
22: Western Illinois Leathernecks
23: Montana Grizzlies
24: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
25: Sam Houston State Bearkats

Semobison

The Most Significant Win: Weber State Wildcats
The Most Significant Loss: Samford Bulldogs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=212803 Yep, tough poll. Here is what I got!

[BEAR]

Whoa, Sam behind UCA?

Guess we'll know if that's legit in two weeks...xlolx

[70MilesFromCanada]

I also posted this in the STATS poll thread but...

No one will ever accuse me of being a GFCC fan but SHSU being ahead of GFCC is absurd. It is slot voting. Early in the season there is a lot of movement.

SHSU's resume.
Home - W vs Prairie View A&M 41-32
Home - L vs GFCC 24-23

GFCC's resume.
Home - W vs Mississippi Valley State 35-7
@ #9 Washington (FBS) 45-3
Away - W Sam Houston State 24-23

I ask again how can SHSU be ahead of GFCC? My guess is Sam Houston State has much higher name recognition.

Of course some voters try to project how a team will be later in the season vs how they are right now. My argument for GFCC being higher would obviously be what we have seen so far through 3 weeks of the season but also basing it on what each team has returning.

I haven't gotten my poll back yet but I will post it when I do.

I know I messed up on Villanova-Towson and Mercer-Samford.

Dewey

Hey Dew

Just a suggestion: drop the GFCC. It’s fine if you want to play games with a team nikname but every team has only one official name or abbreviation. I have no idea what GFCC means (sorry, I don’t read all your posts) and don’t care. You confuse the newbs and just irritate the BEAR who runs this board.

[70MilesFromCanada]

Ursus:

Do you have a breakdown of AGS poll voters by (their team’s) conference?
Just wondering if the distribution could affect the results at all.

Thanks

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Ursus, I think this was just a really tough week in general (early in the season, the matchups, and the number of losses for the AGS Top 25).

That said, if you threw all the teams randomly on a board and asked people to pick them off based strictly off of W/L for that week, you would likely not have a poll steeped in reality either. Plus, where do the BYE teams go for the week (do they just disappear to make their valiant return the next week)?

I feel like the early weeks are kind of like the hashing out of where teams were "predicted to be" vs. "where they really are" vs. "where they will end up" mixed in with sprinkles of surprises throughout. To yours and others' point about slot voting: I can tell you from my personal perspective that I look at the AGS Poll then forget it. I also look at the other polls, then forget them. Each week, I have a spreadsheet (like has been suggested) that has my previous week poll and that poll only. I do not base my rankings on any other poll, period (and I only use my own poll to get team names and not make mistakes or duplicate picks, which using my own poll may be the fatal flaw). What this discussion forum does for me is to get me thinking about other teams I might have missed or how much credence I really should or should not be giving a team. I then copy those teams in a column, add other teams I might consider (which BTW are not from the AGS Poll, the next 15, nor the ORV...heck, it took me a minute to realize what ORV stood for). Using games I watched, box scores, and Supe's "How They Fared" as guides, I then place the teams in an order that I see fit. After, I ask myself should a team move up or down slots by whether or not their performance might warrant it and through admittedly subjective analysis (see previous posts in this thread). I would like to also point out that I did have BYE week teams drop in the poll (should they, let the debate begin). I think next week, I am going to put together a poll in a similar fashion to that described above, and I will also put together a poll strictly based on W/L with no limitations whatsoever on how many spots a team can jump or be jumped - let any sort of previous rankings be damned, and I don't even need to watch the games any more (even though I still will), because there will no longer be much need for the "eye" test.

I do agree with you to a degree on the "they don't deserve to jump"; however, there has to be a degree of thought about whether or not a team should really jump umpteen spots for an early season win (or dropped for an early season loss). Question for everyone though, should we not factor in at all "where a team might end up" in the rankings. If so, I really need to rethink my entire existence...or at least the poll. xdrunkyx

As PC pointed out...NO, I don't personally think we should be trying to predict where a team is going to end up once actual games have started. That is how I do the preseason poll. I don't do that on any other poll in a year though. We probably ought to try to mitigate guessing at things as much as possible.



Here is my personal thought on the ranking of the 3 criteria you posted vs. which week it is:

Preseason Poll
where they will end up/predicted to be
where they really are


Weeks 1-5
where they really are
where they will end up
predicted to be


Week 6 and beyond
where they really are
where they will end up
predicted to be


We are better off with objective views is my belief when we have them as a choice. Hell, inside of even objective thinking it is a huge mess. xlolx

[McNeese75]

Ursus:

Do you have a breakdown of AGS poll voters by (their team’s) conference?
Just wondering if the distribution could affect the results at all.

Thanks

East Coast and Fargo bias xnodx xlolx

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Ursus:

Do you have a breakdown of AGS poll voters by (their team’s) conference?
Just wondering if the distribution could affect the results at all.

Thanks

Yeah I do but I've posted it up in the past in almost every occurrence a conference is harder on their own than everyone outside of that conference. Watching it with an eye toward that I haven't noticed anything outside of that but don't remember if I ran that test last season. If I have time later I will look at but probably not the best time of year for an accurate telling of this story since things are very spread out right now.

[Preferred Walk-On]

This is what I mean.

Team A beat Team B so Team A should be ranked ahead of Team B = objective reasoning
Team A beat Team B but I think if they played once more or 10 more times Team B would win more often than not so I'm ranking Team B higher than Team A = subjective reasoning

The first scenario is fact based, the second is an educated opinion. When we get further into the season and there's more fact based data to go on it's easier to justify the use of an educated opinion in that scenario (like you could've with NDSU vs USD in 2015 or NDSU vs InSU in 2012 since those games were weeks 6 and/or 7 I think). This early in the season though you're already using a subjective preseason opinion to justify your reasoning so that's why I think it's tough to use that model in poll voting when you're basing it on only 1 or 2 other games played by each team and your preseason thoughts of each.

And to be clear I'm not saying your method is wrong, I just think there's a better way to look at it that'll make voting easier for you as the season goes on. You're free to disagree and vote as you'd like.
This is what I mean.

Team A beat Team B so Team A should be ranked ahead of Team B = objective reasoning
Team A beat Team B but I think if they played once more or 10 more times Team B would win more often than not so I'm ranking Team B higher than Team A = subjective reasoning


The first scenario is fact based, the second is an educated opinion. When we get further into the season and there's more fact based data to go on it's easier to justify the use of an educated opinion in that scenario (like you could've with NDSU vs USD in 2015 or NDSU vs InSU in 2012 since those games were weeks 6 and/or 7 I think). This early in the season though you're already using a subjective preseason opinion to justify your reasoning so that's why I think it's tough to use that model in poll voting when you're basing it on only 1 or 2 other games played by each team and your preseason thoughts of each.


And to be clear I'm not saying your method is wrong, I just think there's a better way to look at it that'll make voting easier for you as the season goes on. You're free to disagree and vote as you'd like.


I appreciate the response, and I am not saying you are wrong either or that I even have a problem with it (like you had suggested for my reasoning).


I am purposely discussing, because I would like to know what people think. I would be curious about your system for ranking, as you did not actually answer whether or not you would have ranked USD or ISUblue above NDSU (you merely said "you could've"). Take a stand. I did. ;)


This is what I mean: I am going to argue that objectivity does not work either, because there is no such thing when doing polls. Doing "Team A beat Team B" might appear to be objective (and remove any need for human contact) and one might even sell it as objective, until you add in the fact that you will ultimately need to add the subjectivity of strength of schedule (everyone on AGS knows about this), common opponents, impressiveness of win, BYEs, and the fact that you need to rank 23 or more other teams within the framework of Teams A and B. There is no objectivity for polling, there is only the objectivity that exists within the vacuum of one game. Everyone is using educated subjectivity to make what they think is the best poll possible. That is all I am really trying to point out...well that and that ranking a team below a team that beat them is not necessarily a cardinal sin.

Again, I appreciate the comments and am looking forward to how you decide on your rankings (which I am genuinely interested in and will not criticize).

[Preferred Walk-On]

As PC pointed out...NO, I don't personally think we should be trying to predict where a team is going to end up once actual games have started. That is how I do the preseason poll. I don't do that on any other poll in a year though. We probably ought to try to mitigate guessing at things as much as possible.



Here is my personal thought on the ranking of the 3 criteria you posted vs. which week it is:

Preseason Poll
where they will end up/predicted to be
where they really are


Weeks 1-5
where they really are
where they will end up
predicted to be


Week 6 and beyond
where they really are
where they will end up
predicted to be


We are better off with objective views is my belief when we have them as a choice. Hell, inside of even objective thinking it is a huge mess. xlolx

Fair enough, and I agree that time will tell.

But I am just wondering what constitutes a truly objective view. I have not seen that defined (correctly) yet in the context of a poll on this thread. If we could actually do that, is Sagarin our only hope (which BTW is also not objective)? BTW, PantherRob might not have been so crazy previously, judging by how he considered W/L as the "objective" measure and dinged the s*&% out of BYE.

[JSUSoutherner]

If your only justification for a placement of a team starts with "because I think" you're probably slot voting.

[grizband]

Ursus,
Did you send this week's poll to Massey?

[Professor Chaos]

I appreciate the response, and I am not saying you are wrong either or that I even have a problem with it (like you had suggested for my reasoning).


I am purposely discussing, because I would like to know what people think. I would be curious about your system for ranking, as you did not actually answer whether or not you would have ranked USD or ISUblue above NDSU (you merely said "you could've"). Take a stand. I did. ;)


This is what I mean: I am going to argue that objectivity does not work either, because there is no such thing when doing polls. Doing "Team A beat Team B" might appear to be objective (and remove any need for human contact) and one might even sell it as objective, until you add in the fact that you will ultimately need to add the subjectivity of strength of schedule (everyone on AGS knows about this), common opponents, impressiveness of win, BYEs, and the fact that you need to rank 23 or more other teams within the framework of Teams A and B. There is no objectivity for polling, there is only the objectivity that exists within the vacuum of one game. Everyone is using educated subjectivity to make what they think is the best poll possible. That is all I am really trying to point out...well that and that ranking a team below a team that beat them is not necessarily a cardinal sin.

Again, I appreciate the comments and am looking forward to how you decide on your rankings (which I am genuinely interested in and will not criticize).
I've got all my poll ballots going back to 2012 when I started voting so I went back and looked.

In 2012 in week 7 when Indiana St beat NDSU I ranked NDSU (who was 5-1 at the time) 4th and Indiana St (who was 5-2 at the time) 19th. My reasoning? Well, NDSU had an FBS win over Colorado St, they had dominating win over YSU (who I had at 13th at that time), and an impressive road win over UNI (which turned out to not be that impressive that particular year). Indiana St had a more impressive road win (over NDSU) but that was it as their other 4 wins were cupcakes.

In 2015 in week 7 when South Dakota beat NDSU I ranked NDSU (who was 4-2) 10th and did not rank USD (who was 3-3 and had just snapped their double digit MVFC losing streak IIRC). I still ranked NDSU fairly high because they had a dominating road win over SDSU (who I had at 4th at the time which is obviously higher than the NDSU team they lost to) and another ranked win over UNI (who I had at 24th at the time). The reasons I didn't rank USD were obvious.

My point into going into all of the detail is that for those games I had a decent sample size of game results that year that contributed to an educated opinion that NDSU, despite losing to those teams, should still be ranked higher. We don't have that sample size this year with teams like Samford and Sam Houston State yet. The stuff you refer to like record against common opponents, SOS, and quality wins is objective data from within a given season. When it gets subjective is when we have to decide how heavily you weigh each measure against the other.

You're absolutely right that putting together a poll ballot is highly subjective (which is why it elicits so much discussion) but my whole point is why add additional subjectivity when it's not necessary? Mercer beat Samford, what has Samford done this year to prove that Mercer isn't just the better team? UND beat SHSU, what has SHSU done this year to prove that UND isn't just the better team? About the only thing I can come up with is they were ranked higher in the preseason and therefore before the game (either in the consensus polls or your own personal poll) and that doesn't hold water IMO.

I'm just saying you make your job tougher than it needs to be when you find additional subjective measures to discount objective/observed results on the field.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Fair enough, and I agree that time will tell.

But I am just wondering what constitutes a truly objective view. I have not seen that defined (correctly) yet in the context of a poll on this thread. If we could actually do that, is Sagarin our only hope (which BTW is also not objective)? BTW, PantherRob might not have been so crazy previously, judging by how he considered W/L as the "objective" measure and dinged the s*&% out of BYE.

Well I think this has been addressed by several posters so far but maybe not in a direct response to you. In the case of Samford and Mercer, if you look at their resumes.

Mercer has two D1 wins
Samford zero but a close loss to FSU so give that some credit...some.

Mercer has HsH win also. This means Mercer already has a leg up on them in conference race too.

So what else do we know? If this is what we know how are we not putting Mercer just slightly ahead of them in the poll? If you had Samford at around 20 then I'd think you'd probably have Mercer a few spots above them and if you have Samford much above 20 then you may be overvaluing what has occurred for them so far. It could also be that letting our former guesses go is not easy just yet too.

Again, these are only opinions and may not be correct in the future but AT THIS TIME they are. Hope that helps as far as an explanation you are looking for.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Ursus,
Did you send this week's poll to Massey?

I did. First person this year to get the rep shot.

[JSUSoutherner]

Well I think this has been addressed by several posters so far but maybe not in a direct response to you. In the case of Samford and Mercer, if you look at their resumes.

Mercer has two D1 wins
Samford zero but a close loss to FSU so give that some credit...some.

Mercer has HsH win also. This means Mercer already has a leg up on them in conference race too.

So what else do we know? If this is what we know how are we not putting Mercer just slightly ahead of them in the poll? If you had Samford at around 20 then I'd think you'd probably have Mercer a few spots above them and if you have Samford much above 20 then you may be overvaluing what has occurred for them so far. It could also be that letting our former guesses go is not easy just yet too.

Again, these are only opinions and may not be correct in the future but AT THIS TIME they are. Hope that helps as far as an explanation you are looking for.

I'm not giving any credit for the FSU loss. Maybe if FSU was half respectable. I don't think people realize yet how bad FSU is going to be.

NIU might be their only win for the rest of the season.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

I'm not giving any credit for the FSU loss. Maybe if FSU was half respectable. I don't think people realize yet how bad FSU is going to be.

NIU might be their only win for the rest of the season.

I don't think they are good either but don't watch enough to know so I give that close one very little respect really. I just know some others may not so wanted to put that in as a plus so it doesn't look like I totally discounted it.

[FUBeAR]

With great fear, I am posting my poll submittal. I had way too many Teams that I wanted to rank between 20-25, so I’m sure it is ‘messy’ at the bottom & there are several good Teams that I have ranked at 25B in my own ‘working document.’

I really didn’t enjoy doing this last year, my 1st year, and thought I’d give it 1 more year...but I’m having a lot of fun this year. Just a different mindset about it, I guess. What bothered me the most last year is what I’m finding the most fun (funny, perhaps) this year...

I think many of us sit down each week and earnestly hammer this out - watching replays, checking scores & previous scores vs. common opponents, and then we strain to remove our Team/Conference bias. Then, we’re done & we think...”What a mess. I have no idea if I got this right, but I did my best. NEXT WEEK, WE’LL KNOW SO MUCH MORE & THIS WILL ALL BECOME SO CLEAR TO ME THEN.”

And, of course, it doesn’t and isn’t...”but next week...”

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: North Carolina A&T Aggies
5: Weber State Wildcats
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Maine Black Bears
9: Illinois State Redbirds
10: UC Davis Aggies
11: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
12: Central Arkansas Bears
13: South Dakota Coyotes
14: Northern Iowa Panthers
15: Kennesaw State Owls
16: Elon Phoenix
17: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
18: Towson Tigers
19: Mercer Bears
20: Sam Houston State Bearkats
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Samford Bulldogs
23: Montana State Bobcats
24: McNeese State Cowboys
25: Western Illinois Leathernecks

[FUBeAR]

If you had Samford at around 20 then I'd think you'd probably have Mercer a few spots above them and if you have Samford much above 20 then you may be overvaluing what has occurred for them so far.
19: Mercer Bears
20: Sam Houston State Bearkats
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Samford Bulldogs

Winning! :-)

[Daytripper]

I didn’t have many choices for good wins this week and Rhodes loss is significant because the played phenomenal against a pretty decent team in UCONN


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I had Rhody's loss as my most significant also.

[Daytripper]

If your only justification for a placement of a team starts with "because I think" you're probably slot voting.

And if your repetitive claims of "slot voting" continue, your justification is that is what you think.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

19: Mercer Bears
20: Sam Houston State Bearkats
21: Villanova Wildcats
22: Samford Bulldogs

Winning! :-)

xlolx

I hadn't scrolled down yet to see your last post but I was going to grab that and say "great job!" too. I think your post overall was spot on btw. I fear an FCS fan, including SID's etc. that ever wants to get into an argument with an AGS Poll voter about who is better etc. I'd bet on the AGS guy every time. They already know and have had every argument.:D

[Preferred Walk-On]

I've got all my poll ballots going back to 2012 when I started voting so I went back and looked.

In 2012 in week 7 when Indiana St beat NDSU I ranked NDSU (who was 5-1 at the time) 4th and Indiana St (who was 5-2 at the time) 19th. My reasoning? Well, NDSU had an FBS win over Colorado St, they had dominating win over YSU (who I had at 13th at that time), and an impressive road win over UNI (which turned out to not be that impressive that particular year). Indiana St had a more impressive road win (over NDSU) but that was it as their other 4 wins were cupcakes.

In 2015 in week 7 when South Dakota beat NDSU I ranked NDSU (who was 4-2) 10th and did not rank USD (who was 3-3 and had just snapped their double digit MVFC losing streak IIRC). I still ranked NDSU fairly high because they had a dominating road win over SDSU (who I had at 4th at the time which is obviously higher than the NDSU team they lost to) and another ranked win over UNI (who I had at 24th at the time). The reasons I didn't rank USD were obvious.

My point into going into all of the detail is that for those games I had a decent sample size of game results that year that contributed to an educated opinion that NDSU, despite losing to those teams, should still be ranked higher. We don't have that sample size this year with teams like Samford and Sam Houston State yet. The stuff you refer to like record against common opponents, SOS, and quality wins is objective data from within a given season. When it gets subjective is when we have to decide how heavily you weigh each measure against the other.

You're absolutely right that putting together a poll ballot is highly subjective (which is why it elicits so much discussion) but my whole point why add additional subjectivity when it's not necessary? Mercer beat Samford, what has Samford done this year to prove that Mercer isn't just the better team? UND beat SHSU, what has SHSU done this year to prove that UND isn't just the better team? About the only thing I can come up with is they were ranked higher in the preseason and before the game and that doesn't hold water IMO.

I'm just saying you make your job tougher than it needs to be when you find additional subjective measures to discount objective/observed results on the field.

Hi Professor. I appreciate your response (and your organizational skills)...impressive. xbowx

Although I still disagree with a few of your points (and as a scientist, how objective and subjective are being used), your points are just as valid as mine (or anyone else's), so I appreciate you taking the time to share them. Can't wait to compare ballots next week.

[Schism55]

Grab your torches and pitchforks!

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Maine Black Bears
9: Illinois State Redbirds
10: North Carolina A&T Aggies
11: Elon Phoenix
12: Samford Bulldogs
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
15: McNeese State Cowboys
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: UC Davis Aggies
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Rhode Island Rams
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Nicholls State Colonels
22: Sac State Hornets
23: Sam Houston State Bearkats
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: Chattanooga Mocs

Schism55

The Most Significant Win: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks

[TheValleyRaider]

Pretty brutal to drop Colgate and Furman for having a weather-related game cancellation.

Elon, who also had a weather related game cancellation, moved up 3 spots.

Outta sight, outta mind

Too early in the season to get worked up about it anyway. These things shake out fine in the end

[Preferred Walk-On]

Again, these are only opinions and may not be correct in the future but AT THIS TIME they are. Hope that helps as far as an explanation you are looking for.

This made me laugh (opinions are neither correct nor incorrect), but I do appreciate your sticktoitiveness with your opinion. My opinion is (and Webster's definition suggests) that objective and subjective are not being used properly, and therefore, one should not discount one's opinion and then use lack of objectiveness as their reason. Again, that is my opinion and is subjective, not a fact and objective.

I won't clog up the thread any more, but enjoyed the banter today. Thanks for letting me participate and not get into trouble.

[McCowboys]

Name recognition is part of it. Slot voting is another huge issue. SHSU was a top 10 school, so a loss means they move down but not far enough down that an unranked school jumps them in the polls even if the unranked team beat the ranked team. A third factor is lack of conference affiliation. Voters tend to support schools from their own “tribe,”in part because they are more familiar with those schools.

Speaking of “tribe”not to be overlooked is voter disdain for a school that didn’t have the balls to stand up to the NCAA to keep their mascot. Maybe that’s just me though.

The score of the UND/#9 Washington is incorrect.

[Daytripper]

Grab your torches and pitchforks!

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Maine Black Bears
9: Illinois State Redbirds
10: North Carolina A&T Aggies
11: Elon Phoenix
12: Samford Bulldogs
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
15: McNeese State Cowboys
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: UC Davis Aggies
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Rhode Island Rams
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Nicholls State Colonels
22: Sac State Hornets
23: Sam Houston State Bearkats
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: Chattanooga Mocs

Schism55

The Most Significant Win: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks

This may be the best one yet for this week. My only (minor) disagreement might be that based on their accomplishments so far, NCAT should be a bit higher. Also, maybe Mercer deserves a look in the top 25 (I didn't have them in mine either). But that is just splitting hairs.

[JSUSoutherner]

And if your repetitive claims of "slot voting" continue, your justification is that is what you think.

That was the only post I made regarding slot voting. So not sure where you're getting "repetitive" from.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

This made me laugh (opinions are neither correct nor incorrect), but I do appreciate your sticktoitiveness with your opinion. My opinion is (and Webster's definition suggests) that objective and subjective are not being used properly, and therefore, one should not discount one's opinion and then use lack of objectiveness as their reason. Again, that is my opinion and is subjective, not a fact and objective.

I won't clog up the thread any more, but enjoyed the banter today. Thanks for letting me participate and not get into trouble.

Our rankings are opinion. The facts are not. Those facts are correct as of this time. I'd welcome you clogging it up if you think they are incorrect.

[Daytripper]

That was the only post I made regarding slot voting. So not sure where you're getting "repetitive" from.

My bad. For some reason I thought you had mentioned it a couple of times. Maybe it was somebody else or in another thread.

[McCowboys]

Grab your torches and pitchforks!

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Weber State Wildcats
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Maine Black Bears
9: Illinois State Redbirds
10: North Carolina A&T Aggies
11: Elon Phoenix
12: Samford Bulldogs
13: Central Arkansas Bears
14: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
15: McNeese State Cowboys
16: Villanova Wildcats
17: UC Davis Aggies
18: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
19: Rhode Island Rams
20: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
21: Nicholls State Colonels
22: Sac State Hornets
23: Sam Houston State Bearkats
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: Chattanooga Mocs

Schism55

The Most Significant Win: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks

In my poll which will be released exclusively here on AGS, I had the most significant loss as Sam Houston Bearkats, but I sure can't argue with the Northern Arizona loss. What on earth happened to the NAU Lumberjacks!

[Derby City Duke]

The bold ones I am confused on for ranking. Just wondering how McNeese, who thrashed NSU is below them in your ranking. Also, no GFCC, Towson, or Mercer?

After doing some more reading, I can see where I'm off on NSU/McNeese. Our definition of thrashed may be different, but the Cowboys were more dominant than I originally thought.

[McCowboys]

This may be the best one yet for this week. My only (minor) disagreement might be that based on their accomplishments so far, NCAT should be a bit higher. Also, maybe Mercer deserves a look in the top 25 (I didn't have them in mine either). But that is just splitting hairs.

I agree, DayTripper! I might question URI, but otherwise it looks like a good poll!

Now I know who to cheat off of in the future if I need to. xbowx

[katss07]

In my poll which will be released exclusively here on AGS, I had the most significant loss as Sam Houston Bearkats, but I sure can't argue with the Northern Arizona loss. What on earth happened to the NAU Lumberjacks!
They’re consistently overrated heading into BSC play and have been for the few years now. They shouldn’t have been a playoff team last season and won’t be this year.

[TheKingpin28]

After doing some more reading, I can see where I'm off on NSU/McNeese. Our definition of thrashed may be different, but the Cowboys were more dominant than I originally thought.It was 20-3 until the last 2 minutes of the game. They contained Fourcade, who is possibly the best QB in the Southland.

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[McCowboys]

After doing some more reading, I can see where I'm off on NSU/McNeese. Our definition of thrashed may be different, but the Cowboys were more dominant than I originally thought.

Nicholls outgained McNeese. The Cowboys played a "bend but don't break" defense. The defense gave up a few big plays, but unlike last year kept Jeanpiere and others from breaking the long one. Nicholls scored a meaningless TD with seconds remaining to make the score look more respectable. McNeese put lots of pressure on Nicholls QB Fourcade who was sacked or hurried numerous times. Tabary was efficient and has played very well in the last two games.

[JSUSoutherner]

In my poll which will be released exclusively here on AGS, I had the most significant loss as Sam Houston Bearkats, but I sure can't argue with the Northern Arizona loss. What on earth happened to the NAU Lumberjacks!

Case Cookus.

[Derby City Duke]

It was 20-3 until the last 2 minutes of the game. They contained Fourcade, who is possibly the best QB in the Southland.

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Some days I can't even agree with people correctly. Think I'll just go to bed without supper xdrunkyx

[McCowboys]

It was 20-3 until the last 2 minutes of the game. They contained Fourcade, who is possibly the best QB in the Southland.

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It was a bit curious to me that Fourcade was still in the game at that time when it was fairly apparent the game was lost. I would think that would be a time to give the backup some reps. ?

[TheKingpin28]

It was a bit curious to me that Fourcade was still in the game at that time when it was fairly apparent the game was lost. I would think that would be a time to give the backup some reps. ?That was a shock to me as well. IIRC Fourcade is only a sophomore so maybe he thought, since no one will supplant him, why do it, but that was strange.

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[TheKingpin28]

Some days I can't even agree with people correctly. Think I'll just go to bed without supper xdrunkyxEveryone sees things differently, that's what make the AGS poll great. It's not monolithic but instead a group of men and women who actually critique the games and analyze them vs slot vote and lazily put teams where they want vs where they should be. Don't worry about it.

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[McCowboys]

That was a shock to me as well. IIRC Fourcade is only a sophomore so maybe he thought, since no one will supplant him, why do it, but that was strange.

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I'm pretty sure Fourcade is a junior.

[TheKingpin28]

I'm pretty sure Fourcade is a junior.You're right. I forgot he started as true freshman. Kid has talent but I'd still put him in the Top 2 or 3 QBs for the Southland.

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[Catbooster]

Case Cookus.
And Emanuel Butler was out as well.

Regardless, they should have won that game if they are one of the top Big Sky teams this year. IMO they deserve to be dropped unless/until they can prove it was a fluke.

[McCowboys]

You're right. I forgot he started as true freshman. Kid has talent but I'd still put him in the Top 2 or 3 QBs for the Southland.

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He is very good! He willed the Colonels to victories so many times last season with his passing and his legs. The Cowboys defense did a good job of containing him Saturday night.

McNeese's quarterback Tabary has benefitted from a switch in position coaches for the Cowboys. The QB coach and WR coach switched positions, and it seems to have paid dividends. McNeese also has depth on the offensive line that they didn't have last season.

[Mike296]

I’m actually quite surprised my poll didn’t spark more of a discussion. This week had to be a very hard week for all voters given just how many losses happened in the T25


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[JSUSoutherner]

And Emanuel Butler was out as well.

Regardless, they should have won that game if they are one of the top Big Sky teams this year. IMO they deserve to be dropped unless/until they can prove it was a fluke.
I mean I dropped them last week anyway I think.

[JSUSoutherner]

I’m actually quite surprised my poll didn’t spark more of a discussion.

You don't want to have that conversation.

[Mike296]

You don't want to have that conversation.

I do actually cause I wanted to hear Just how messed up this week as a whole really was in the T25



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[Schism55]

I’m actually quite surprised my poll didn’t spark more of a discussion. This week had to be a very hard week for all voters given just how many losses happened in the T25


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So many FBS/D2/NAIA and cancelled games ugh. Be nice to get into the meat of conference schedules for some FCS on FCS crimes and get some clarity, hopefully xthumbsupx

[MR. CHICKEN]

I’m actually quite surprised my poll didn’t spark more of a discussion. This week had to be a very hard week for all voters given just how many losses happened in the T25


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......WHAA NO VILLANOVA....IN YER POLL.........RANKED #14 COACHS/#15 STATS/#15AGS....xconfusedx......AWK!

[Mike296]

......WHAA NO VILLANOVA....IN YER POLL.........RANKED #14 COACHS/#15 STATS/#15AGS....xconfusedx......AWK!

Look at where I had them last week and you’ll see why I don’t have them in my poll.


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[MR. CHICKEN]

Look at where I had them last week and you’ll see why I don’t have them in my poll.


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......WHERE DID YA HAVE 'EM.?....AH'M NOT GOONAH COMB THRU......THE BOARD....WHEN YA COODAH...JES' HAD IT IN YER POST......BRAWK!

[Mike296]

......WHERE DID YA HAVE 'EM.?....AH'M NOT GOONAH COMB THRU......THE BOARD....WHEN YA COODAH...JES' HAD IT IN YER POST......BRAWK!

I had them at 24 last week, their loss dropped them out of my poll.


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[MR. CHICKEN]

.....'NOVA WAS 2-0 WHIFF.....ONE UH BETTER FBS WINS....@ #24....xconfusedx........AH REST MAH CASE....xsighx....BRAWK!

[caribbeanhen]

.....'NOVA WAS 2-0 WHIFF.....ONE UH BETTER FBS WINS....@ #24....xconfusedx........AH REST MAH CASE....xsighx....BRAWK!

he has a good Poll Mr C with the exception of couple of feather scratchin mulligans, apparently he thinks Georgia State is better than Temple

[katss07]

Nova>Temple>Maryland>Texas>USC

[grizband]

In my poll which will be released exclusively here on AGS, I had the most significant loss as Sam Houston Bearkats, but I sure can't argue with the Northern Arizona loss. What on earth happened to the NAU Lumberjacks!I believe they played without their QB Cookus.

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[caribbeanhen]

Here’s my mess of a poll


We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/16/2018 10:20:23

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: North Carolina A&T Aggies
6: Wofford Terriers
7: Maine Black Bears
8: Weber State Wildcats
9: Illinois State Redbirds
10: McNeese State Cowboys
11: Elon Phoenix
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Samford Bulldogs
14: Sam Houston State Bearkats
15: Eastern Washington Eagles
16: Central Arkansas Bears
17: Rhode Island Rams
18: Nicholls State Colonels
19: Stony Brook Seawolves
20: Austin Peay Governors
21: Chattanooga Mocs
22: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
23: Sac State Hornets
24: Montana Grizzlies
25: Montana State Bobcats

Mike296

The Most Significant Win: Austin Peay Governors
The Most Significant Loss: Rhode Island Rams
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Ohio Valley Conference





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if in doubt Montana it out....

here is a general prediction, soon you will know that Towson is pretty good and QB Flacco is the main reason

[Mike296]

if in doubt Montana it out....

here is a general prediction, soon you will know that Towson is pretty good and QB Flacco is the main reason

Who the hell was I supposed to put in those last two spots? 10-25 was a damn crapshoot this week.


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[mvemjsunpx]

(last week in parentheses)


1. North Dakota St. (1)
2. South Dakota St. (2)
3. James Madison (3)
4. Eastern Washington (4)
5. Kennesaw St. (5)
6. Elon (8)
7. Maine (9)
8. North Carolina A&T (12)
9. Weber St. (18)
10. Sacramento St. (6)
11. McNeese St. (21)
12. Villanova (7)
13. Nicholls St. (14)
14. Jacksonville St. (13)
15. Rhode Island (15)
16. Delaware (16)
17. Austin Peay (19)
18. Wofford (20)
19. Stony Brook (22)
20. UC Davis (24)
21. Samford (10)
22. North Dakota (NR)
23. Central Arkansas (25)
24. Towson (NR)
25. Sam Houston St. (11)

W - North Dakota
L - Northern Arizona



Dropped - Northern Arizona (17), South Dakota (23)

[PantherRob82]

Fair enough, and I agree that time will tell.

But I am just wondering what constitutes a truly objective view. I have not seen that defined (correctly) yet in the context of a poll on this thread. If we could actually do that, is Sagarin our only hope (which BTW is also not objective)? BTW, PantherRob might not have been so crazy previously, judging by how he considered W/L as the "objective" measure and dinged the s*&% out of BYE.

Do what now?

[PantherRob82]

After doing some more reading, I can see where I'm off on NSU/McNeese. Our definition of thrashed may be different, but the Cowboys were more dominant than I originally thought.

It was 20-3 until the end if I remember correctly.

[cx500d]

It was 20-3 until the end if I remember correctly.
Yeah, sometimes you just have to discount the gimme pity points after the game seems to be won. I know I mostly discounted the UAPB points on SDSU, although some people might have taken those 6 into account.
in their rankings

[Preferred Walk-On]

Our rankings are opinion. The facts are not. Those facts are correct as of this time. I'd welcome you clogging it up if you think they are incorrect.

Your facts are indeed correct. However, it was your statement in the last paragraph of that post that made me laugh:


Well I think this has been addressed by several posters so far but maybe not in a direct response to you. In the case of Samford and Mercer, if you look at their resumes.


Mercer has two D1 wins
Samford zero but a close loss to FSU so give that some credit...some.


Mercer has HsH win also. This means Mercer already has a leg up on them in conference race too.


So what else do we know? If this is what we know how are we not putting Mercer just slightly ahead of them in the poll? If you had Samford at around 20 then I'd think you'd probably have Mercer a few spots above them and if you have Samford much above 20 then you may be overvaluing what has occurred for them so far. It could also be that letting our former guesses go is not easy just yet too.


Again, these are only opinions and may not be correct in the future but AT THIS TIME they are. Hope that helps as far as an explanation you are looking for.


As stated, I interpreted this to mean that you think your opinions (in the preceding paragraph) are correct (and enjoyed the caps to boot to emphasize your dedication to this). Who am I to argue with that?

[hoidOfYolen]

My humble poll, even though I'm not a voter for AGS:



1. North Dakota State



2. James Madison



3. South Dakota State



4. Eastern Washington



5. North Carolina A&T



6. Kennesaw State



7. Wofford



8. Maine



9. Illinois State



10. Weber State



11. Elon



12. McNeese



13. Samford



14. Central Arkansas



15. Villanova



16. Jacksonville State



17. UC Davis



18. North Dakota



19. Rhode Island



20. Delaware



21. Nicholls



22. Sam Houston State



23. Chattanooga



24. Towson



25. Stony Brook

[PantherRob82]

I'm disappointed Northern Iowa is still in the poll. At the half on Saturday Iowa had 21 points and UNI had like 20 yards.

[ursus arctos horribilis]

Your facts are indeed correct. However, it was your statement in the last paragraph of that post that made me laugh:




As stated, I interpreted this to mean that you think your opinions (in the preceding paragraph) are correct (and enjoyed the caps to boot to emphasize your dedication to this). Who am I to argue with that?

I don't think my opinions are correct, I know they are.:D

[McCowboys]

Yeah, sometimes you just have to discount the gimme pity points after the game seems to be won. I know I mostly discounted the UAPB points on SDSU, although some people might have taken those 6 into account.
in their rankings

Nicholls scored its last touchdown of the game with SECONDS left on the clock and their starter Fourcade still in. And it still wasn't easy for them.

[Thumper 76]

That was the only post I made regarding slot voting. So not sure where you're getting "repetitive" from.

Aw you’re mad I have Saamford over JSU


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[smilo]

No respect for Montana State and Mercer yet SHSU with 2 flops is ranked and UNI gets tons of love...

Lest we forget, undefeated Montana State beat WIU who beat Montana who beat UNI.

I don't see a humongous gap in talent amongst those teams that should override the results of the games they're playing. It might split 6-4 against MSU if they played 10 - but they don't, they only have one to show their best.

Similar problem in FBS where the voters pick BYU over undefeated Cal who beat them. I bet on BYU so I certainly think they're better than Cal, but the results show me that Cal did more than BYU as of this date. Homefield matters notwithstanding.

[Professor Chaos]

No respect for Montana State and Mercer yet SHSU with 2 flops is ranked and UNI gets tons of love...

Lest we forget, undefeated Montana State beat WIU who beat Montana who beat UNI.

I don't see a humongous gap in talent amongst those teams that should override the results of the games they're playing. It might split 6-4 against MSU if they played 10 - but they don't, they only have one to show their best.

Similar problem in FBS where the voters pick BYU over undefeated Cal who beat them. I bet on BYU so I certainly think they're better than Cal, but the results show me that Cal did more than BYU as of this date. Homefield matters notwithstanding.
Montana St is undefeated? I must've been drinking too much Joose the weekend before last because I thought they got dumptrucked by SDSU.

[Twentysix]

This week's blog post on the poll: http://thefcswedge.com/ags-poll/ags-poll-week-3-top-25-results/

I was a little surprised we saw some teams hanging on as high as they did like Villanova, Samford, and Sam Houston all still being ranked higher than the teams that beat them last week. Villanova I can somewhat see since they've got a nice win against Temple to fall back on but what have Samford and Sam Houston done to prove they deserve the benefit of the doubt against the teams that beat them at home? They have one D1 win between them so far on the year yet SHSU is ranked 5 spots in front of the team that beat them and Samford is ranked 16(!) spots in front of the team that beat them.

Doesn't make much sense to me.Laziness. Lazy voters make lazy polls. :/

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[BEAR]

Nicholls scored its last touchdown of the game with SECONDS left on the clock and their starter Fourcade still in. And it still wasn't easy for them.

Pre-vent defense? UCA used that against SLU in the last minute too. Bit them too. xlolx

[Twentysix]

Pretty brutal to drop Colgate and Furman for having a weather-related game cancellation.

Elon, who also had a weather related game cancellation, moved up 3 spots.

In what world does Furman deserve to be ranked in the top anything? Maybe later when they've done something but good god Furman has been anally raped in 2 football games and sports an 0-2 record and you are lobbying for them to be ranked?!?!?!?!?


I don't care if you are playing only NFL teams, if you lose every game you have played by 40 points you don't deserve to be ranked in the top 25 period.
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[smilo]

Montana St is undefeated? I must've been drinking too much Joose the weekend before last because I thought they got dumptrucked by SDSU.

Lol, my b, I didn't have that word there initially. I went back to add it before Cal but guess I goofed. No problem with that loss, especially after this weekend.

[JSUSoutherner]

Aw you’re mad I have Saamford over JSU


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I'm just amazed Samford is ranked at all.

[Bison56]

I'm just amazed Samford is ranked at all.

Could say the same for JSU.

[Thumper 76]

I'm just amazed Samford is ranked at all.

If you put JSU and Sanford side by side there isn’t much difference. I’ve noticed you only questioned people on it who have Samford over JSU. Tell you what, with how JSU looked vs NCA&T they’re going to have to beat Kennesaw to get back into my top ten. I expect JSU to win the OVC still, just as I have high expectations still for Samford. I think they have the offense to carry them through in spite of their defense. One thing is for sure, they’ll have far more opportunities to prove themselves compared to playing an OVC schedule. If you were really worried about my polls issues you would have noticed my major gaff of having SHSU directly ahead of UND, which got screwed up during one of my many remakes of my poll due to technical issues. What your really irritated about is JSU being behind Samford.


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[McCowboys]

Pre-vent defense? UCA used that against SLU in the last minute too. Bit them too. xlolx

More to do with a bogus pass interference call in the endzone. I haven't really checked, but I imagine McNeese was resting most of its defensive starters by this time. Though it would have been fruitless, Nicholls did not go for two after the TD, but then tried an onside kick (which went out of bounds). The more I think about it, the more bizarre I find many things Nicholls did or didn't do at the end of this game.

[Professor Chaos]

Lol, my b, I didn't have that word there initially. I went back to add it before Cal but guess I goofed. No problem with that loss, especially after this weekend.
Losing to SDSU is nothing to get dinged for. Getting run off the field in the 1st half gives me some pause. They were playing with their backup (essentially 3rd string) QB but they don't get any extra credit from me because SDSU obliterated UAPB the next week. I do think they're worthy of consideration especially if you rank WIU. FWIW I don't have either Montana school, UNI, or WIU ranked in my ballot but they're all on my watch list of teams just outside the top 25 (along with 12 other teams).

[FUBeAR]

In what world does Furman deserve to be ranked in the top anything? Maybe later when they've done something but good god Furman has been anally raped in 2 football games and sports an 0-2 record and you are lobbying for them to be ranked?!?!?!?!?

I don't care if you are playing only NFL teams, if you lose every game you have played by 40 points you don't deserve to be ranked in the top 25 period.Sorry PF, but I have to agree with 26’s conclusion here, if not some of the details.

FU’s game vs. Clemson was not at all how 26 has characterized it here. IMO, it was really 3 games - Clemson’s Starters beat FU’s Starters 13-0; then the FBS Officials/ESPN Lackeys beat Furman’s Starters 14-0; then, in the 2nd half, Clemson’s JV’s beat FU’s JV’s 21-7. I was at the game and have watched the replay. Nothing wrong with Furman’s showing against a FBS National Championship contending Team. I believe I moved FU up in my ranking after that game.

The Elon game, on the other hand, was a completely different kettle of carp. It was worse than 26 describes. Our Paladins were absolutely punk’d by the Formerly Fightin’ Former Christians in that game. I didn’t attend, but I have watched the replay and I wanted to vomit. It wasn’t just the FR QB issue or overall youth or some technical scheming/play-calling. It was just an old-fashioned a$$-whipping. They kicked our butts, and called us Louisa, in the trenches the entire game. If that’s how we’re going to play Football, then we certainly don’t deserve to be nationally-ranked and we deserve to be ranked in the SoCon, where I put us last week...7th.

All that said, as a Furman Fan, Alum, and former Paladin Player, I do not expect to see that type of performance ever again from a Team Coached by Coach Hendrix. It just won’t happen. Wofford did that to us in 1979 & with some quick re-focusing of the Players by the Coaches on the pure nature of the game of Football, the issue was resolved the following week & for many, many years. IMO, ETSU will have to pay this week for the Paladins’ sins at Elon and we’ll be able to restore FU to their deserved place in the rankings.

[Professor Chaos]

So I'm going to be pretty much beating a dead horse here so I apologize in advance but I've seen a few mentions on the various poll threads about how Jacksonville St is overrated/has no business even being in the top 20 because of how they looked in the FCS Kickoff Classic. This is a prime example of why I think the eye test is flawed. That was the first game of the year played a week before most teams had even gotten on the field in a real game, it was against a pretty good team in NC A&T, and Jacksonville St did a lot of good things in that game. They had 403 total yards, 323 passing, 7.7 yards per pass attempt and they held A&T to 148 total yards at an average of 2 yards per play. That's all better than what East Carolina did the next week against A&T. Yes they did some bad things too like go 1-11 on 3rd down, commit 4 turnovers, and have 14 penalties for 150 yards but I think we've got some voters/critics getting way too caught up in the eye test for the first game of the year and ignoring the rest of the evidence which is putting JSU on an uneven comparison with a bunch of other teams those same voters/critics haven't seen play.

Bottom line is if NC A&T is really the #6 team in the country and UND (who shares a common opponent with JSU in MVSU who JSU thoroughly outpaced UND when playing) is really the #23 team in the country I don't see how JSU shouldn't be pretty solidly in the top 15 if not pushing the top 10.

[grayghost06]

I forgot- do the high and low ranks get tossed out in tabulating each teams' ranking? (in our case, the PantherRob effect)

[JSUSoutherner]

Nothing wrong with Furman’s showing against a FBS National Championship contending Team.
I'm gonna stop you right here because you're putting WAYYY too much stock into FSU's name.

They just got booty blasted by Syracuse. The Jimbo days are over. National Championship caliber teams don't get booty blasted by perennial 4-8 teams.

[Professor Chaos]

I'm gonna stop you right here because you're putting WAYYY too much stock into FSU's name.

They just got booty blasted by Syracuse. The Jimbo days are over. National Championship caliber teams don't get booty blasted by perennial 4-8 teams.
Furman also didn't play FSU. They played Clemson. ;)

[JSUSoutherner]

Furman also didn't play FSU. They played Clemson. ;)
It's been an early morning....

I'll hold that L.

Sorry, FUBeAR xrotatehx

[FUBeAR]

I'm gonna stop you right here because you're putting WAYYY too much stock into FSU's name.

They just got booty blasted by Syracuse. The Jimbo days are over. National Championship caliber teams don't get booty blasted by perennial 4-8 teams.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=QPlDKLuCny8

[SU DOG]

Well, I do have JSU ranked above my Bulldogs in my poll ( I still have them at #10). I expect the Gamecocks will go on a roll and be in the top 10 before this season is over. As undisciplined as they were, they still had a good chance to beat a good A&T team. The talent level is just off the scale. I'm hoping that the Samford loss is partly due to the FSU letdown. Another thing is I believe that this Mercer Team is capable of upsetting anyone in the SoCon. If we lose at UTC, then dropping completely out of the rankings will probably be inevitable, but for now, I put us at #16. Some of my same reasoning(that a good team can have a bad game) also applies to SHSU who I dropped to #11.
We can all see things differently, but that doesn't mean someone else is totally wrong for their opinion - it is still EARLY!

[Cocky]

So I'm going to be pretty much beating a dead horse here so I apologize in advance but I've seen a few mentions on the various poll threads about how Jacksonville St is overrated/has no business even being in the top 20 because of how they looked in the FCS Kickoff Classic. This is a prime example of why I think the eye test is flawed. That was the first game of the year played a week before most teams had even gotten on the field in a real game, it was against a pretty good team in NC A&T, and Jacksonville St did a lot of good things in that game. They had 403 total yards, 323 passing, 7.7 yards per pass attempt and they held A&T to 148 total yards at an average of 2 yards per play. That's all better than what East Carolina did the next week against A&T. Yes they did some bad things too like go 1-11 on 3rd down, commit 4 turnovers, and have 14 penalties for 150 yards but I think we've got some voters/critics getting way too caught up in the eye test for the first game of the year and ignoring the rest of the evidence which is putting JSU on an uneven comparison with a bunch of other teams those same voters/critics haven't seen play.

Bottom line is if NC A&T is really the #6 team in the country and UND (who shares a common opponent with JSU in MVSU who JSU thoroughly outpaced UND when playing) is really the #23 team in the country I don't see how JSU shouldn't be pretty solidly in the top 15 if not pushing the top 10.

Our talent isnt bad, not sure about OL, but if we are deserving we will prove it by years end.

[Professor]

Lol, these poll conversations

[JSUSoutherner]

Our talent isnt bad, not sure about OL, but if we are deserving we will prove it by years end.
Like I said on GJS yesterday, this team will go as far as the OL takes them.

[SCPALADIN]

Flame away...

Hello SCPALADIN,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/17/2018 6:32:13

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: North Carolina A&T Aggies
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Weber State Wildcats
9: Maine Black Bears
10: Illinois State Redbirds
11: Elon Phoenix
12: Sam Houston State Bearkats
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
15: UC Davis Aggies
16: Samford Bulldogs
17: Central Arkansas Bears
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Nicholls State Colonels
20: Montana Grizzlies
21: South Dakota Coyotes
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: Rhode Island Rams
24: Western Illinois Leathernecks
25: Mercer Bears

SCPALADIN

The Most Significant Win: Mercer Bears
The Most Significant Loss: Samford Bulldogs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Southern Conference

[PantherRob82]

I forgot- do the high and low ranks get tossed out in tabulating each teams' ranking? (in our case, the PantherRob effect)

xbawlingxxbawlingxxbawlingx

[dbackjon]

My major miss was UND

Hello dbackjon,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/17/2018 10:14:10

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: North Carolina A&T Aggies
4: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
5: Eastern Washington Eagles
6: Maine Black Bears
7: Kennesaw State Owls
8: Weber State Wildcats
9: McNeese State Cowboys
10: Central Arkansas Bears
11: Sam Houston State Bearkats
12: UC Davis Aggies
13: Wofford Terriers
14: Colgate Raiders
15: Illinois State Redbirds
16: Montana State Bobcats
17: Western Illinois Leathernecks
18: Elon Phoenix
19: Rhode Island Rams
20: Western Carolina Catamounts
21: Sac State Hornets
22: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
23: Austin Peay Governors
24: Stony Brook Seawolves
25: Chattanooga Mocs

dbackjon

The Most Significant Win: McNeese State Cowboys
The Most Significant Loss: Samford Bulldogs
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference

[grizband]

This poll was pretty tough, after the first 10. Some other teams who didn't make my poll (Mercer, North Dakota, etc) who could easily replace some teams. Hopefully this clarifies in the next couple weeks.

1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: North Carolina A&T Aggies
5: Kennesaw State Owls
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Weber State Wildcats
9: McNeese State Cowboys
10: Maine Black Bears
11: Illinois State Redbirds
12: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
13: Samford Bulldogs
14: Villanova Wildcats
15: Sam Houston State Bearkats
16: Nicholls State Colonels
17: UC Davis Aggies
18: Elon Phoenix
19: Rhode Island Rams
20: Central Arkansas Bears
21: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
22: Northern Iowa Panthers
23: Chattanooga Mocs
24: Austin Peay Governors
25: Montana Grizzlies

grizband

The Most Significant Win: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
The Most Significant Loss: Northern Arizona Lumberjacks
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Big Sky Conference

[McCowboys]

Hello McCowboys,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/17/2018

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: North Carolina A&T Aggies
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Illinois State Redbirds
9: Maine Black Bears
10: Weber State Wildcats
11: Western Illinois Leathernecks
12: Samford Bulldogs
13: Elon Phoenix
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: McNeese State Cowboys
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
18: UC Davis Aggies
19: Sam Houston State Bearkats
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Nicholls State Colonels
22: Stony Brook Seawolves
23: Colgate Raiders
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: Chattanooga Mocs

McCowboys

The Most Significant Win: McNeese State Cowboys
The Most Significant Loss: Sam Houston State Bearkats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Southland Conference

[grizband]

Hello McCowboys,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/17/2018

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: North Carolina A&T Aggies
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Wofford Terriers
8: Illinois State Redbirds
9: Maine Black Bears
10: Weber State Wildcats
11: Western Illinois Leathernecks
12: Samford Bulldogs
13: Elon Phoenix
14: Central Arkansas Bears
15: McNeese State Cowboys
16: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
17: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
18: UC Davis Aggies
19: Sam Houston State Bearkats
20: Villanova Wildcats
21: Nicholls State Colonels
22: Stony Brook Seawolves
23: Colgate Raiders
24: Delaware Fightin' Blue Hens
25: Chattanooga Mocs

McCowboys

The Most Significant Win: McNeese State Cowboys
The Most Significant Loss: Sam Houston State Bearkats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Southland Conference
Not bad, although I am a little surprised to see Western Illinois at #11.

[McCowboys]

Not bad, although I am a little surprised to see Western Illinois at #11.

That is where I had them last week. I had planned to drop them down a few notches, but it was tough to do after a victory over a good Griz team who are #26 in my poll.

[grizband]

That is where I had them last week. I had planned to drop them down a few notches, but it was tough to do after a victory over a good Griz team who are #26 in my poll.
I could argue you might be over valuing them, but I understand your argument.

[ST_Lawson]

Not bad, although I am a little surprised to see Western Illinois at #11.

Same.



That is where I had them last week. I had planned to drop them down a few notches, but it was tough to do after a victory over a good Griz team who are #26 in my poll.

I thought you said that having WIU that high last week was a mistake? Maybe I misunderstood you though. Personally, I wouldn't have had us in my own top 25 after our performances in the first two weeks. I can see making it in after beating Montana, but I don't think I'd go any higher than ~20 at this point.

[McCowboys]

Same.




I thought you said that having WIU that high last week was a mistake? Maybe I misunderstood you though. Personally, I wouldn't have had us in my own top 25 after our performances in the first two weeks. I can see making it in after beating Montana, but I don't think I'd go any higher than ~20 at this point.

You have a good memory. I did write that!

I had also received grief about ranking North Dakota and not Northern Arizona, but after Saturday's games, I feel somewhat vindicated.

So Sam Houston may not be as strong this year (?), but they hadn't lost on their home field in quite a while. So hats off to UND.

As for the Bulldogs....I planned to rank them last week, but not so high. I even emailed the AGS poll and confessed! This week was tough with upsets and so many teams with byes and weather cancellations....I just didn't feel right about moving them down after a win over Montana. So I didn't.

[ST_Lawson]

You have a good memory. I did write that!

I had also received grief about ranking North Dakota and not Northern Arizona, but after Saturday's games, I feel somewhat vindicated.

So Sam Houston may not be as strong this year (?), but they hadn't lost on their home field in quite a while. So hats off to UND.

As for the Bulldogs....I planned to rank them last week, but not so high. I even emailed the AGS poll and confessed! This week was tough with upsets and so many teams with byes and weather cancellations....I just didn't feel right about moving them down after a win over Montana. So I didn't.

No problem, just curious about your rankings. You don't need to feel bad about dropping a team the next week if you mistakenly put them too high.

But come on man....Bulldogs?


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[POD Knows]

Bring it on dickweeds, this is the poll that every swinging dick is measured against. It is flawless, flame away losers

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/16/2018 8:23:47

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: North Carolina A&T Aggies
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Illinois State Redbirds
9: Maine Black Bears
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Central Arkansas Bears
12: Elon Phoenix
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Stony Brook Seawolves
15: Rhode Island Rams
16: Nicholls State Colonels
17: Towson Tigers
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
20: UC Davis Aggies
21: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
22: Sam Houston State Bearkats
23: Sac State Hornets
24: Colgate Raiders
25: Chattanooga Mocs

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Towson Tigers
The Most Significant Loss: Sam Houston State Bearkats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

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[TheKingpin28]

Bring it on dickweeds, this is the poll that every swinging dick is measured against. It is flawless, flame away losers

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/16/2018 8:23:47

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: North Carolina A&T Aggies
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Illinois State Redbirds
9: Maine Black Bears
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Central Arkansas Bears
12: Elon Phoenix
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Stony Brook Seawolves
15: Rhode Island Rams
16: Nicholls State Colonels
17: Towson Tigers
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
20: UC Davis Aggies
21: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
22: Sam Houston State Bearkats
23: Sac State Hornets
24: Colgate Raiders
25: Chattanooga Mocs

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Towson Tigers
The Most Significant Loss: Sam Houston State Bearkats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

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[TheKingpin28]

BrInG iT oN dIcKwEeDs, ThIs iS tHe PoLl ThAt EvErY sWiNgInG dIcK iS mEaSuReD aGaInSt. It Is FlAwLeSs, FlAmE aWaY lOsErS.

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Sent from my SM-J727V using TapatalkNo, but in all seriousness, it is not bad, but the Colgate vote is pretty bad.

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[JSUSoutherner]

No, but in all seriousness, it is not bad, but the Colgate vote is pretty bad.

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Colgate is 2-0 after beating UNH at home.

UNH maybe 0-3 but if Maine is as good as they look it should be fair to say UNH has had a heckuva schedule so far.

I'm cautiously optimistic about them. Plus, you could really argue for any of the top 30 or 35 teams getting a vote this early on.

[TheKingpin28]

Colgate is 2-0 after beating UNH at home.

UNH maybe 0-3 but if Maine is as good as they look it should be fair to say UNH has had a heckuva schedule so far.

I'm cautiously optimistic about them. Plus, you could really argue for any of the top 30 or 35 teams getting a vote this early on.24-17 vs HC
10-3 vs UNH (No Trevor Knight)

Maine beat WKU 31-28, UNH 35-7 (with Trevor Knight for some of the game)

Not a fan of the Colgate vote at all. There are better deserving teams at this point.

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[McCowboys]

No problem, just curious about your rankings. You don't need to feel bad about dropping a team the next week if you mistakenly put them too high.

But come on man....Bulldogs?


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At this point, everyone has some "guesses." As the season plays out, they (and other teams) will move up and down and even out depending on how they do. I take it Western Illinois is off this week?

[ST_Lawson]

At this point, everyone has some "guesses." As the season plays out, they (and other teams) will move up and down and even out depending on how they do. I take it Western Illinois is off this week?

Fair enough. It'll all sort itself out in the end.

Most of the MVFC (all except 3) is off this week including WIU.


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[POD Knows]

No, but in all seriousness, it is not bad, but the Colgate vote is pretty bad.

Sent from my SM-J727V using TapatalkReally, really, really, really, really, that is all you have on my poll, Colgate, freaking Colgate's placement. That is it. My poll is the freaking gold standard on this site, you need to come with better than that you freaking Welsch castoff.

[TheKingpin28]

Really, really, really, really, really, that is all you have on my poll, Colgate, freaking Colgate's placement. That is it. My poll is the freaking gold standard on this site, you need to come with better than that you freaking Welsch castoff.Come at me bro! I could have ripped it for stony brook being too high, Colgate getting votes, Nicholls State too high, etc... but I decided to be considerate. xthumbsupx

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[POD Knows]

Come at me bro! I could have ripped it for stony brook being too high, Colgate getting votes, Nicholls State too high, etc... but I decided to be considerate. xthumbsupx

Sent from my SM-J727V using Tapatalk:D Awesome, my poll sucks balls, there is freaking all sorts of **** to comment on, but it is still the gold standard because I said so. My poll isn't that far off from the final AGS poll. Personally, I think everybody outside of NDSU, JMU and SDSU sucks ass. xcoffeex

[dbackjon]

Bring it on dickweeds, this is the poll that every swinging dick is measured against. It is flawless, flame away losers

Hello POD Knows,

We have received your AGS Top 25 vote on 9/16/2018 8:23:47

Your vote is listed below.


1: North Dakota State Bison
2: James Madison Dukes
3: South Dakota State Jackrabbits
4: Kennesaw State Owls
5: North Carolina A&T Aggies
6: Eastern Washington Eagles
7: Weber State Wildcats
8: Illinois State Redbirds
9: Maine Black Bears
10: Wofford Terriers
11: Central Arkansas Bears
12: Elon Phoenix
13: McNeese State Cowboys
14: Stony Brook Seawolves
15: Rhode Island Rams
16: Nicholls State Colonels
17: Towson Tigers
18: Villanova Wildcats
19: Jacksonville State Gamecocks
20: UC Davis Aggies
21: North Dakota Fighting Hawks
22: Sam Houston State Bearkats
23: Sac State Hornets
24: Colgate Raiders
25: Chattanooga Mocs

POD Knows

The Most Significant Win: Towson Tigers
The Most Significant Loss: Sam Houston State Bearkats
Which Conference Does Your Team Play in?: Missouri Valley Football Conference

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You see infatuated with dicks.

[TheKingpin28]

:D Awesome, my poll sucks balls, there is freaking all sorts of **** to comment on, but it is still the gold standard because I said so. My poll isn't that far off from the final AGS poll. Personally, I think everybody outside of NDSU, JMU and SDSU sucks ass. xcoffeexOh this year is a complete ****show for voting. Outside the top 3 it drops off greatly. Your poll is good though. Haven't talked enough smack with you this year and needed to get my fix in.

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[Daytripper]

Really, really, really, really, really, that is all you have on my poll, Colgate, freaking Colgate's placement. That is it. My poll is the freaking gold standard on this site, you need to come with better than that you freaking Welsch castoff.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/F8bo1LU5U5ApG/giphy.gif

https://www.reddit.com/r/reactiongifs/comments/1y70sk/when_i_saw_rmotiontrackedboobs_the_first_time/

[POD Knows]

You see infatuated with dicks.Actually, that was a good catch on you part and pretty predictable. Yea, I don't often lump two dicks in the same sentence. I usually space my dick references with asshole and suck my balls references in order to throw off the gay mafia, but I got caught here. ****, I am losing touch, OMG, **** is probably a gay reference.

****, what is a guy to do.

[POD Knows]

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https://www.reddit.com/r/reactiongifs/comments/1y70sk/when_i_saw_rmotiontrackedboobs_the_first_time/Hey, it is a troll, speak to the poll or the STFU, it is the gold standard until proven otherwise. You know why, because I am the first one to proclaim it as such. Go ahead, flame away, what is wrong with my poll, (other than it is freaking awesome and desired by both men and women alike, this is for you DBack)

[Daytripper]

Hey, it is a troll, speak to the poll or the STFU, it is the gold standard until proven otherwise. You know why, because I am the first one to proclaim it as such. Go ahead, flame away, what is wrong with my poll, (other than it is freaking awesome and desired by both men and women alike, this is for you DBack)

Somebody seems to have lost their sense of humor...Jeez.

[cx500d]

Hey, it is a troll, speak to the poll or the STFU, it is the gold standard until proven otherwise. You know why, because I am the first one to proclaim it as such. Go ahead, flame away, what is wrong with my poll, (other than it is freaking awesome and desired by both men and women alike, this is for you DBack)


I didn't have STFU in my poll....That loss to Richmond did them in.

[POD Knows]

Somebody seems to have lost their sense of humor...Jeez.****, sorry, yep, I was still reeling from Kingpin calling me out on the Colgate deal. But other than that how did you like the gold standard, I am a little defensive about it because, well, it is what it is, the Gold Standard with Asterisks.

[dbackjon]

Actually, that was a good catch on you part and pretty predictable. Yea, I don't often lump two dicks in the same sentence. I usually space my dick references with asshole and suck my balls references in order to throw off the gay mafia, but I got caught here. ****, I am losing touch, OMG, **** is probably a gay reference.

****, what is a guy to do.


Just accept that you are either a
1) Dick
2) Asshole
3) Gay
4) All of the Above
5) In love with Ursus

[TheKingpin28]

****, sorry, yep, I was still reeling from Kingpin calling me out on the Colgate deal. But other than that how did you like the gold standard, I am a little defensive about it because, well, it is what it is, the Gold Standard with Asterisks.I knew I could get you to bite. You're welcome. xlolx

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[TheKingpin28]

Just accept that you are either a
1) Dick
2) Asshole
3) Gay
4) All of the Above
5) In love with Ursus6) Or Grizo looking up at Ursus... xcoffeex

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[caribbeanhen]

****, sorry, yep, I was still reeling from Kingpin calling me out on the Colgate deal. But other than that how did you like the gold standard, I am a little defensive about it because, well, it is what it is, the Gold Standard with Asterisks.

Kingpin is Bias as **** for a younger gay, just imagine him when he's in his 50's..... unbearable

[TheKingpin28]

Kingpin is Bias as **** for a younger gay, just imagine him when he's in his 50's..... unbearableDidnt you see the picture of me sucking on a teet in the other thread?

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[cx500d]

Didnt you see the picture of me sucking on a teet in the other thread?

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I got that one from NotTru's mom; she texted it to me.

[caribbeanhen]

Didnt you see the picture of me sucking on a teet in the other thread?

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No, I missed it that one.... Oh man, that was supposed to be younger guy..... must of been all the gay talk on this thread ...... I'm sticking with calling you bias though....

[cx500d]

No, I missed it that one.... Oh man, that was supposed to be younger guy..... must of been all the gay talk on this thread ...... I'm sticking with calling you bias though....


Here he is again:

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[dbackjon]

6) Or Grizo looking up at Ursus... xcoffeex

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good addition

[hoidOfYolen]

Wtf even is this thread

[cx500d]

Wtf even is this thread
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[Twentysix]

Sorry PF, but I have to agree with 26’s conclusion here, if not some of the details.

FU’s game vs. Clemson was not at all how 26 has characterized it here. IMO, it was really 3 games - Clemson’s Starters beat FU’s Starters 13-0; then the FBS Officials/ESPN Lackeys beat Furman’s Starters 14-0; then, in the 2nd half, Clemson’s JV’s beat FU’s JV’s 21-7. I was at the game and have watched the replay. Nothing wrong with Furman’s showing against a FBS National Championship contending Team. I believe I moved FU up in my ranking after that game.

The Elon game, on the other hand, was a completely different kettle of carp. It was worse than 26 describes. Our Paladins were absolutely punk’d by the Formerly Fightin’ Former Christians in that game. I didn’t attend, but I have watched the replay and I wanted to vomit. It wasn’t just the FR QB issue or overall youth or some technical scheming/play-calling. It was just an old-fashioned a$$-whipping. They kicked our butts, and called us Louisa, in the trenches the entire game. If that’s how we’re going to play Football, then we certainly don’t deserve to be nationally-ranked and we deserve to be ranked in the SoCon, where I put us last week...7th.

All that said, as a Furman Fan, Alum, and former Paladin Player, I do not expect to see that type of performance ever again from a Team Coached by Coach Hendrix. It just won’t happen. Wofford did that to us in 1979 & with some quick re-focusing of the Players by the Coaches on the pure nature of the game of Football, the issue was resolved the following week & for many, many years. IMO, ETSU will have to pay this week for the Paladins’ sins at Elon and we’ll be able to restore FU to their deserved place in the rankings.By no means am I saying Furman can't be ranked later. However there is no sanity in ranking them now. Let them win some games first.

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[POD Knows]

Just accept that you are either a
1) Dick
2) Asshole
3) Gay
4) All of the Above
5) In love with Ursus1,2 and 5, for sure xlolx

[POD Knows]

Wtf even is this threadIt is a new day, I think we are back on track, it was Dback's fault for the derailment. :D

[Bison56]

1,2 and 5, for sure xlolx

You forgot 3.

[dbackjon]

It is a new day, I think we are back on track, it was Dback's fault for the derailment. :D

You kept saying the word dick. You know that's like a red cape to a bull

[cx500d]

You kept saying the word dick. You know that's like a red cape to a bull

For some reason you seem to answer to it....


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[dbackjon]

For some reason you seem to answer to it....


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Yes indeed

[Redbird 4th & short]

The bye week has been berry berry good to Redbirds .. jumped between 3 to 5 spots in most polls .. for not playing. We need to schedule more bye weeks !!!!

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[Mike296]

Something tells me that Maine is gonna beat Central Michigan this week. I just got a feeling in my bad knee.


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[hoidOfYolen]

Something tells me that Maine is gonna beat Central Michigan this week. I just got a feeling in my bad knee.


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Formerly known as Killamike259

You should probably get that checked out.

[Mike296]

You should probably get that checked out.

That was a reference to something, if you didn’t get it then I guess it’s an obscure reference.


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[hoidOfYolen]

That was a reference to something, if you didn’t get it then I guess it’s an obscure reference.


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Formerly known as Killamike259

I was being sarcastic :)

[Mike296]

I was being sarcastic :)

Kinda hard to know your being sarcastic without a 😉


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