Has your program ever hit rock bottom?

[ASU33]

Mine certainly has and we're living in it right now. We've gone from 7 or 8 wins every year to being boat raced by anyone with a decent team. This sucks!

[Lorne_Malvo]

Mine certainly has and we're living in it right now. We've gone from 7 or 8 wins every year to being boat raced by anyone with a decent team. This sucks!

It sucks but here is the norm:

https://dosits.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Sin-wave-1.600.png

[Wildcat1997]

ACU has been in it the last 3 years, we've won 7 games total over that time. I think we might be starting to turn the corner though.

[WestCoastAggie]

0-27

[JSUSoutherner]

Yeah, after our D1 transistion we sucked. A lot.

[Go Green]

We went 0-10 in 2008.

[geaux_sioux]

We lost to an NAIA school once.....

[JALMOND]

We finally got our first win in almost two years this past weekend. We had to play a winless NAIA team, but we beat them.

We made the playoffs only 3 years ago.

[PantherRob82]

This might be our year! xlolx

[ASU33]

0-27

I remember those Lee Fobbs days

[RootinFerDukes]

Understanding that there were far worse seasons before my time, the 2013 season at 6-6 was rock bottom. We lost to Stony Brook and Towson. Almost lost to St. Francis.

That’s where our program is right now. A .500 season is rock bottom.

[Mike296]

Understanding that there were far worse seasons before my time, the 2013 season at 6-6 was rock bottom. We lost to Stony Brook and Towson. Almost lost to St. Francis.

That’s where our program is right now. A .500 season is rock bottom.

We were really bad for many years. Healy Finally has us in the direction for a possible conference title within the next few years.


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Formerly known as Killamike259

[POD Knows]

The 30's, 40's and 50's were brutal

[dewey]

The 30's, 40's and 50's were brutal

2008 and 2009 were terrible years plus some off the field issues. Craig Bohl is lucky he survived those years.

Dewey

[DFW HOYA]

Mine certainly has and we're living in it right now. We've gone from 7 or 8 wins every year to being boat raced by anyone with a decent team. This sucks!

Sure does. Try 17 years of it.

[Go Green]

2008 and 2009 were terrible years plus some off the field issues. Craig Bohl is lucky he survived those years.

Dewey

Going to guess that the financial crash of 2008 prevented you guys from firing him?

That's what happened to Buddy Teevens at Dartmouth after 2008. The college endowment got killed after the crash and we were laying a lot of employees off. Just couldn't justify firing the football coach with a few more years on his contract and hiring a new one.

By the time the finances improved, Teevens had the football program on the right track.

[Ivytalk]

Since I started following Harvard FB in 1972, we had a couple of 2-8 seasons and a couple of 3-7s, but no sustained periods of crappiness. At one point, we lost 9 in a row to flippin’ Cornell. That was a head-scratcher.

[POD Knows]

2008 and 2009 were terrible years plus some off the field issues. Craig Bohl is lucky he survived those years.

DeweyThe 08 team was average, 09 is a different story, we have only had 3 losing seasons since 75 and then you had to go back to the early 60's to find another losing season. We sucked in 09 but I never really felt that bad about the program at the time.

[major095]

Mine certainly has and we're living in it right now. We've gone from 7 or 8 wins every year to being boat raced by anyone with a decent team. This sucks!
I actually started to drive down to atl to see that game. So glad I didn't. After sitting through a delay, I would have been fish grease hot watching them play that way.

[TheKingpin28]

Going to guess that the financial crash of 2008 prevented you guys from firing him?

That's what happened to Buddy Teevens at Dartmouth after 2008. The college endowment got killed after the crash and we were laying a lot of employees off. Just couldn't justify firing the football coach with a few more years on his contract and hiring a new one.

By the time the finances improved, Teevens had the football program on the right track.

nvm, just saw dewey's post.

[Grizalltheway]

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[RichH2]

Lehigh. Yup multiple times.

[TheRevSFA]

Hi

[SFA 93]

I was told this is where the meeting was.

[JacksFan40]

We lost to an NAIA school once.....
And you almost lost to the same team a few years later. Only they were D2 by then.

[JacksFan40]

SDSU’s been up and down for most of the time. Not many awful years but not many great ones pre 2007. I can’t say we’ve hit rock bottom.

[ST_Lawson]

Overall, probably '43-'46 was the worst stretch of a few years record-wise. Coach Hanson (Colonel Ray "Rock" Hanson...HUGE figure in our school's sports history) stepped down as head football coach after the 1941 season, remained on as athletics director until he rejoined the marines for WWII.
We went 4-25-1 in that stretch.

More recent history though, probably the closest was 2008/2009. Coach Don Patterson had struggled for a few years after having a decent amount of success in the early '90s, not like 1 or 0 wins, but like averaging about ~.500 record. Coach P was also diagnosed with tonsillar cancer in 2008 and was fighting that. Because of his health situation, OC Mark Hendrickson served as acting head coach for the first seven games of the 2008 season, going 5-2. Patterson came back later in the season and we went 1-3 the rest of the season. Then, after going 1-2 the first 3 games of 2009, the administration decided to fire Patterson and have Hendrickson be the acting HC. Problem is, the way they went about it was stupid...essentially told Coach P that he would step down because of health concerns, but not really giving him a choice in the matter (http://www.wiu.edu/news/newsrelease.php?release_id=7554). Because of how it was handled, Patterson was able to sue the university for discrimination. It was eventually settled out of court, but it was a huge black eye on our administration (http://www.wgem.com/story/12913431/patterson-settles-with-wiu-says-i-was-victim-of-discrimination).
Coach Hendrickson went 0-8 the rest of that season, but then went 8-5 the following year with Coach P's players (winning at Coastal Carolina in the first round of the playoffs, then a loss at App State in the snow). 5 wins over the next 2 years caused Hendrickson to be out as HC.

I don't fault Hendrickson because he took over what was practically a no-win scenario (both literally in terms of the rest of the season and figuratively because of the overall "mood" of the program). He's a great person, got out of coaching after he was let go but is still in the area as the director of our campus Wesley Foundation. Coach Patterson recovered from his battle with cancer and got back into coaching as a QB coach at Buffalo, then working with his former assistant coach Bob Diaco when Diaco was HC at UConn. Patterson retired on his own terms after the 2015 football season.

Because of the way Patterson was let go (who was really well-liked), we had a couple of years of pretty bad football, but more importantly, it really burned a lot of bridges with football alumni and fans from some of our best years of the late '90s and early 00's. This was eventually somewhat repaired by Coach Charlie Fisher reaching out and inviting Coach P and many of the football alumni back to campus for our spring games. While not as bad as many team's "rock bottom" situations, it was a time that many of us were not particularly proud of our institution and our football program. It also likely cost the program quite a bit in terms of money, from the rumored $1M+ lawsuit settlement payment, to the missed donations from successful football alumni who might have helped to support things like the renovation of our aging west side of the football stadium.

[Grizalltheway]

SDSU’s been up and down for most of the time. Not many awful years but not many great ones pre 2007. I can’t say we’ve hit rock bottom.
I can think of one particular game...

[SDFS]

And you almost lost to the same team a few years later. Only they were D2 by then.
hmmmm D III loss?

[melloware13]

2012-Present

[I Bleed Purple]

Almost lost the program in '94. Went 1-whatever in 2004. Fortunate for me as I was out of the country that year. Still beat Idaho State that year, so I can't imagine what it's like for the Fingerling Potatoes fans to answer.

[Sycamore62]

I hope

[Redbird 4th & short]

Only know our program, since 2009. Worst part was defense in 2010 .. we finished 6-5 (4-4) but gave up 40 points per game. The DC was a buffoon ... all he could do was scream loud and a lot. Players tuned him out fast .. we finished bottom 10 in FCS defense in many key catgories and last in MVFC. Spack fired him gracefully (buddy from Purdue), brought in another guy who didn't survive offseason .. got into fights with other coachs, nearly physical fights .. for real. Spack fired him too, and took over DC reins. We went from bottom 10 to top 10 in FCS in 2011 .. in MVFC, our defense went from last to first .. talk about night and day difference. People were wondering if Spack was the defensive minded HC they thought he was .. well he was struggling to hire the right coordinators on both sides of ball. So he started grooming DL Coach Nowinsky into DC role within 2 years. From fan perspective, it is no fun watching your defense give up 40 points per game.

[JacksFan40]

I can think of one particular game...
I can think of a couple of awful games, but overall the seasons were mediocre at worst.

[Sader87]

Holy Cross had to cancel their season after 2 games (losses to Harvard and Dartmouth) in 1969 due to a hepatitis outbreak that effected nearly the entire team. The source was a tainted water tank/supply-line at the practice field. They returned to go 0-10-1 in 1970...righted the ship a bit in the early/mid 70s.

Sacramento St was actually awarded the O'Melia Award in 1969 for wearing HC's unis for much of the remaining 1969 season. The O'Melia Award was/is again now awarded to the MVP of the BC-HC game.

[MacThor]

Bzzzt. .500 or better teams are not rock bottom. Disqualified!

We were awful when I was there. 4 wins in 3 years.
I'm pretty sure it was a coincidence....

[Grizalltheway]

I can think of a couple of awful games, but overall the seasons were mediocre at worst.
I know. Just trying to make myself feel better after yesterday...

[Laker]

Twice. In 1976 MSU Mankato had joined the NCC but was giving out 45 scholarships when they only had enough money for 35. Rather than correct the situation they dropped football that fall. The next year they had club football. Eventually they restarted at the D2 level, joining the NIC (now NSIC) and eventually back to the NCC.

Back around 2003 or 2004- they lost every game. The coach left on his own and since then the Mavs have done really well.

[cx500d]

NDSU losing seasons:
2009 - 3-8
2002 - 2-8
1975 - 2-7
1963 - 3-5
1962 - 0-10
Then almost every year before

[skinny_uncle]

There was serious consideration of dropping football here back in the '90s. I don't think things can get much lower than that.

[geaux_sioux]

And you almost lost to the same team a few years later. Only they were D2 by then.

Was that the year we won the Great West or the year before?

[clenz]

This might be our year! xlolx

We’ve been living it since 2012


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[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lehigh. Yup multiple times.

Thankfully not during my time! I've been following Lehigh since the late 80's and other than '07, '08 and '09 (5-6, 5-6, 4-7) there's been quite a bit of winning. The two worst years by record were '92 and 2014 when Lehigh finished 3-8.

Lehigh's stretch from 1998 thru 2001 gets more incredible as the years go by. 3 undefeated regular seasons in 4 years is simply insane! I don't think that feat will matched in the next 15-20 years. Programs like Alabama and NDSU can't even come close to doing it. Lehigh pulled off the feat by playing good OOC teams too.

[JayMYou]

Understanding that there were far worse seasons before my time, the 2013 season at 6-6 was rock bottom. We lost to Stony Brook and Towson. Almost lost to St. Francis.

That’s where our program is right now. A .500 season is rock bottom.

When I was at JMU, it was the inverse of current times- our men's basketball team that was on top and our football team was hurting. We've had our share of 2-4 win seasons since the 90's.

[Go...gate]

Yes - between 1993 and 1995. It was horrible.

[kperk014]

In 1970 or 71, Florence State (Now North Alabama) whipped Appalachian State. That was our only win of the year.

[kperk014]

Thankfully not during my time! I've been following Lehigh since the late 80's and other than '07, '08 and '09 (5-6, 5-6, 4-7) there's been quite a bit of winning. The two worst years by record were '92 and 2014 when Lehigh finished 3-8.

Lehigh's stretch from 1998 thru 2001 gets more incredible as the years go by. 3 undefeated regular seasons in 4 years is simply insane! I don't think that feat will matched in the next 15-20 years. Programs like Alabama and NDSU can't even come close to doing it. Lehigh pulled off the feat by playing good OOC teams too.

North Alabama had a three year stretch becoming the first team in scholarship football history to go back to back to back National Champions and win 41 games in three seasons. Our only loss was on the road to D1-AA (FCS) back to back National Champs Youngstown State on a last minute field goal, 17-14. That game got quite a bit of national attention even though it was't in the playoffs. We also beat Portland State and North Dakota in their last years of D2. In the fourth year we slipped to 6-4 but knocked off FBS Louisiana the next year. We lost all four QBs (our starter in the first half of the first game) to injuries last year and fell to 5-5.

[Go...gate]

Thankfully not during my time! I've been following Lehigh since the late 80's and other than '07, '08 and '09 (5-6, 5-6, 4-7) there's been quite a bit of winning. The two worst years by record were '92 and 2014 when Lehigh finished 3-8.

Lehigh's stretch from 1998 thru 2001 gets more incredible as the years go by. 3 undefeated regular seasons in 4 years is simply insane! I don't think that feat will matched in the next 15-20 years. Programs like Alabama and NDSU can't even come close to doing it. Lehigh pulled off the feat by playing good OOC teams too.

Lehigh had a rough time in the early - mid 1960's.

[ST_Lawson]

We’ve been living it since 2012


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I know that Farley does Farley things all the time, but since 2012 you've had 4 winning seasons in 6 years with 3 playoff appearances (4-3 record in the playoffs), 2 FBS P5 victories (and 3 more FBS games where you were within single digits). Everyone has their own qualifications, but still, I'm not sure I'd consider that "rock bottom".

[clenz]

I know that Farley does Farley things all the time, but since 2012 you've had 4 winning seasons in 6 years with 3 playoff appearances (4-3 record in the playoffs), 2 FBS P5 victories (and 3 more FBS games where you were within single digits). Everyone has their own qualifications, but still, I'm not sure I'd consider that "rock bottom".
I'll see you that and raise you the UNI perspective

Since the start of 2012 we have

Blown 2 or 3 FBS wins
Blown about 17 FCS wins
Been under .500 after week 5 4 times
Have zero conference titles
Have missed the playoffs half of the time
Have zero trips past the quarterfinals
Have just 1 trip to the quarterfinals
Have played on Thanksgiving weekend every playoff appearance
Likely out of the playoffs this year
At an all time low for season ticket holders
Have lower and lower average attendance each season
Have people (including me) calculating coaches buy outs and when they drop and by how much



This kind of stretch is damn near unprecedented at UNI in the FCS era. If this isn't rock bottom for UNI football I don't want to see what it really is.

[ST_Lawson]

I'll see you that and raise you the UNI perspective

Since the start of 2012 we have

Blown 2 or 3 FBS wins
Blown about 17 FCS wins
Been under .500 after week 5 4 times
Have zero conference titles
Have missed the playoffs half of the time
Have zero trips past the quarterfinals
Have just 1 trip to the quarterfinals
Have played on Thanksgiving weekend every playoff appearance
Likely out of the playoffs this year
At an all time low for season ticket holders
Have lower and lower average attendance each season
Have people (including me) calculating coaches buy outs and when they drop and by how much

This kind of stretch is damn near unprecedented at UNI in the FCS era. If this isn't rock bottom for UNI football I don't want to see what it really is.


The last time we won the conference title was 2002 (and it was a tie)...last outright title was 2000.
We've made the playoffs in only 2 out of those 6 years and the last time we made it past the second round was 1998....20 years ago.
And to quote your list...
Have played on Thanksgiving weekend every playoff appearance
Likely out of the playoffs this year
At an all time low for season ticket holders
Have lower and lower average attendance each season

I get that you've blown some games that could have been wins and that's disappointing, and that you're used to a certain level of success, but a large part of your list sounds pretty similar to us in that span too, and would probably be considered a "dream scenario" for a team like Indiana State.

[cx500d]

Mine certainly has and we're living in it right now. We've gone from 7 or 8 wins every year to being boat raced by anyone with a decent team. This sucks!
Could be worse...ask pva&m

[Go...gate]

Could be worse...ask pva&m

Or Columbia.

[JacksFan40]

Was that the year we won the Great West or the year before?
The year you won it.
In 2011 UND barely beat Sioux Falls 15-13. It was USF’s first year as a D2 school I believe.

[grizband]

Almost everything pre 1990, with a few notable exceptions, was pretty rough for Montana.

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[Houndawg]

Only know our program, since 2009. Worst part was defense in 2010 .. we finished 6-5 (4-4) but gave up 40 points per game. The DC was a buffoon ... all he could do was scream loud and a lot. Players tuned him out fast .. we finished bottom 10 in FCS defense in many key catgories and last in MVFC. Spack fired him gracefully (buddy from Purdue), brought in another guy who didn't survive offseason .. got into fights with other coachs, nearly physical fights .. for real. Spack fired him too, and took over DC reins. We went from bottom 10 to top 10 in FCS in 2011 .. in MVFC, our defense went from last to first .. talk about night and day difference. People were wondering if Spack was the defensive minded HC they thought he was .. well he was struggling to hire the right coordinators on both sides of ball. So he started grooming DL Coach Nowinsky into DC role within 2 years. From fan perspective, it is no fun watching your defense give up 40 points per game.

Tell me about it

[Sycamore62]

I'll see you that and raise you the UNI perspective

Since the start of 2012 we have

Blown 2 or 3 FBS wins
Blown about 17 FCS wins
Been under .500 after week 5 4 times
Have zero conference titles
Have missed the playoffs half of the time
Have zero trips past the quarterfinals
Have just 1 trip to the quarterfinals
Have played on Thanksgiving weekend every playoff appearance
Likely out of the playoffs this year
At an all time low for season ticket holders
Have lower and lower average attendance each season
Have people (including me) calculating coaches buy outs and when they drop and by how much



This kind of stretch is damn near unprecedented at UNI in the FCS era. If this isn't rock bottom for UNI football I don't want to see what it really is.

All In!

since 1983 we’ve...ahh nevermind

[phoenix3]

Elon's hitting rock bottom began with the hiring of Jason Swepson for the 2011 season. Swepson's only experience as a football coach rose to the pinnacle of running backs position coach at NC State. No former experience as a coordinator or head coach. It wasn't fair to the team or to Swepson himself to have been hired in that position.

The actuality of hitting rock bottom came in Rich Skrosky's final year - 2016. In 2015 it appeared we were headed for a turn around with a 4-7 record and a 3-5 conference record. However, Demitri Allison, a DB, chose to end his life just before the 10th game of that season against Maine. This horrible event cast a shadow and exposed Skrosky's inability to communicate with the team & bring them together. So, even with the two great most recent recruiting classes, we finished the 2016 season with a 2-9 record and only one D1 win. This included blowouts in our last 2 games by URI - 44-14 and JMU - 63-14. The team was in total disarray, and had been lost by the majority of the coaching staff. This was our "Rock Bottom".

[wcugrad95]

WCU has had about 28 or so of the last 35 seasons being pretty low. Winning seasons have been hard to come by since the '83 team went all the way to the National Championship game (where we naturally got obliterated by Southern Illinois). But the low point for me was in 2010. Western was suffering through a particularly bad time with 2-win-type seasons, but that year we not only lost to D-II Tusculum, we were down 27-0 in the 2nd quarter and ended up being embarrassed 54-30. That game and future antics led to WCU (who has no money for athletics) buying the coach out and bringing Mark Speir in, so I guess there was a little good that came from it.

[Daytripper]

The era of Todd Whitten and cases of Natural Light.

[bigred]

Uhhhhhh....yeah. Last winning season 1981. Currently on a 20 game losing streak. Longest in School history. Fair to say we are currently at Rockbottom.

[bluehenbillk]

At Delaware they just call it the Brock era....

[Redbird 4th & short]

At Delaware they just call it the Brock era....


You know .. I really get sick and tried of people bashing our coach. xtroublex If only you knew all the good he does and bothered to dig a little deeper. He's much more of a disciplinarian than any coach in the history of all sports all levels. He's also the most ... wait, what .. who ? Not that Brock .. you mean there's another Brock ? xconfusedx

Oh, well that's different .. never mind. xpeacex

p.s. any chance Clenz had his wires crossed with the wrong Brock all these years ?? xrotatehx

[Gil Dobie]

From 1939 to 1963, NDSU had very few winning seasons, and several winless seasons, and NAIA affiliation. Darrell Mudra turned the program around with a 10-1 record in 1964.

[Redbird 4th & short]

From 1939 to 1963, NDSU had very few winning seasons, and several winless seasons, and NAIA affiliation. Darrell Mudra turned the program around with a 10-1 record in 1964.
I believe there was a whole thread on this Darrell Mudra guy ... I think we could just go back and look at every program he took over and turned around, to find each program's low point. Incredible track record for turning around many programs .. mostly FCS, but some success also at FBS level.

[ysubigred]

All depends on what YSU fan replies here?

Rock bottom is not having a football program.

YSU is having way too many lean years since Coach Tressel left.

[ST_Lawson]

I believe there was a whole thread on this Darrell Mudra guy ... I think we could just go back and look at every program he took over and turned around, to find each program's low point. Incredible track record for turning around many programs .. mostly FCS, but some success also at FBS level.

Yup, was a coach who seemed to really enjoy taking a few years to turn a program around, then going somewhere else to do the same thing. Adams State->North Dakota State->Arizona->Western Illinois->Florida State->Eastern Illinois->Northern Iowa.
He's in the athletics halls of fame at all of the previously mentioned FCS schools (as well as a few others as well as the College Football HOF).

[neverobeyed]

I'll see you that and raise you the UNI perspective

Since the start of 2012 we have

Blown 2 or 3 FBS wins
Blown about 17 FCS wins
Been under .500 after week 5 4 times
Have zero conference titles
Have missed the playoffs half of the time
Have zero trips past the quarterfinals
Have just 1 trip to the quarterfinals
Have played on Thanksgiving weekend every playoff appearance
Likely out of the playoffs this year
At an all time low for season ticket holders
Have lower and lower average attendance each season
Have people (including me) calculating coaches buy outs and when they drop and by how much



This kind of stretch is damn near unprecedented at UNI in the FCS era. If this isn't rock bottom for UNI football I don't want to see what it really is.

January 1st, 2019, is circled on the calendar.

[IBleedYellow]

Yup, was a coach who seemed to really enjoy taking a few years to turn a program around, then going somewhere else to do the same thing. Adams State->North Dakota State->Arizona->Western Illinois->Florida State->Eastern Illinois->Northern Iowa.
He's in the athletics halls of fame at all of the previously mentioned FCS schools (as well as a few others as well as the College Football HOF).

The crazy thing is Mudra would coach from the pressboads, not the sideline.

[ST_Lawson]

The crazy thing is Mudra would coach from the pressboads, not the sideline.

Yeah, he definitely had his own style. But hey...it worked for him.

[clenz]

January 1st, 2019, is circled on the calendar.

Any UNI fan that doesn’t know the significance of that date is blind and part of the problem.


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[Silenoz]

I dunno, what do you call it when you go from a top 3 program to irrelevant overnight?

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51u5Hr%2B9GKL.jpg

[ST_Lawson]

Any UNI fan that doesn’t know the significance of that date is blind and part of the problem.


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Hell, even I know the significance of that date ;)

[neverobeyed]

Hell, even I know the significance of that date ;)

Does UNI's AD?

[JayJ79]

At an all time low for season ticket holders

all time low?
when did UNI start selling season tickets? (I know, not literally. but anyway).

[Southern Bison]

At least there's a gathering place for this thread...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180917/0eb6bafe1793d6f90020ee5e937f2362.jpg

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[Sycamore62]

Any UNI fan that doesn’t know the significance of that date is blind and part of the problem.


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Clenz, you know it always is darkest right before it goes pitch black. It can always be worse. For example, we play you guys a week from thursday. you are on my list of no chance to win games, but I'd be super happy to help get you a new coach with a win.

[Panther88]

Just recently graduated, I was on the committee who advised that we do away w/ ALL athletic scholarships @ PVAMU starting in 1990 (several reasons to clean house). When our football team returned fall 1991, we offered zero scholarships for the next 8 years and then upped it to 15 and 30 thereafter respectively. Oddly, ASU33, it was your Alabama St Univ who ran the score 92-0 over PVAMU that same year as we continued our quest to be a part of then division Iaa as a non-scholarship offering member fall 1991.

But, those weren't our rock-bottom days during that 0-80 skid. It wasn't rock-bottom because that is what was expected when a scholarship-less team attempts to compete against fully scholar-shipped opponents. Our rock-bottom period began fall 1967 going forward to the late 1980s where we employed numskulls in our athletic department who were simply there to garner a check and steal/misappropriate athl funds. xsmhx

[MR. CHICKEN]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28839&stc=1........UH DELAWARE TEAM......DEAD LAST IN FCS PASSIN'.......DESPITE DUH TRIPLE-O BOYS.......WORST EFFORTS.............YOUSE DON'T KNOW WHAA ROCK-BOTTOM IS......FO' UH TRADITIONAL TOP TIER FCS SQWAD.......MANY UH YER TEAMS....LIKE COLUMBIA/VMI/AUSTIN PEAY/RHODEY...........WERE ALWAYS BAD..........YOUSE ARE JES' BOTTOM FEEDERS.......TAKE DUH NEST-TEA PLUNGE.....FROM TOP UH HEAP......NOW DAT ROCK-BOTTOM.....:(xembarrassedxxsighxxembarrassedx:(... .BROCK!!

[katss07]

I started following football in 07/08 when I was old enough to somewhat comprehend the game. Sam is right up the road so I started following SHSU along with the FCS as a whole. Those late 2000s years were rough. This program has come a long way. Gone from sitting with 2k others on a Saturday watching the Kats lose to the Northwestern States of the world to having a real gameday environment and winning teams. That was definitely rock bottom for me, but for a while it was all I knew!

[crusader11]

2003 was a very bad and sad year for Holy Cross in many ways. HC went 1-11, but that wasn't the worst of it. Dan Allen, who was in his eighth season as head coach, had been battling ALS. During the season, players had to carry him in a wheelchair up to the press box, where he was coaching the games. A very sad time for the football program.

Haven't read through the thread yet, but I imagine "rock bottom" has just been for poor records and nothing more.

[clenz]

Clenz, you know it always is darkest right before it goes pitch black. It can always be worse. For example, we play you guys a week from thursday. you are on my list of no chance to win games, but I'd be super happy to help get you a new coach with a win.

If UNI doesn’t win its next two games by at least 100 combined points Farley should be fired on the spot.


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[Sader87]

2003 was a very bad and sad year for Holy Cross in many ways. HC went 1-11, but that wasn't the worst of it. Dan Allen, who was in his eighth season as head coach, had been battling ALS. During the season, players had to carry him in a wheelchair up to the press box, where he was coaching the games. A very sad time for the football program.

Haven't read through the thread yet, but I imagine "rock bottom" has just been for poor records and nothing more.

2nd HC mention lol....I posted about the hepatitis season a few pages back

[Go...gate]

Holy Cross had to cancel their season after 2 games (losses to Harvard and Dartmouth) in 1969 due to a hepatitis outbreak that effected nearly the entire team. The source was a tainted water tank/supply-line at the practice field. They returned to go 0-10-1 in 1970...righted the ship a bit in the early/mid 70s.

Sacramento St was actually awarded the O'Melia Award in 1969 for wearing HC's unis for much of the remaining 1969 season. The O'Melia Award was/is again now awarded to the MVP of the BC-HC game.

I am old enough to remember that situation very well. It was a rare skip in the annual war with Colgate.

[ElCid]

Since 1981 when I started following my Bulldogs we have had nine seasons (out of 37) where we only had win 2 or 3 wins. There were some dismal years from 99 to 04. Those were not good years, but I don't think of them as rock bottom because even in those seasons we always seem to beat at least one team that made it worth it.

[PantherRob82]

January 1st, 2019, is circled on the calendar.

When does the crowd funding start?

[Twentysix]

NDSU's most recent rock bottom was 2009 where we went 1-7, then climbed to 3-8 to finish the year.

Losses were as follows 34-17 (17 points; @Iowa State); 48-45 (3 points; @SHSU); 24-14 (10 points; @SIU); 27-24 (3 points; ISUr); 42-27 (15 points; UNI); 28-13 (15 points; @SDSU); 21-17 (4 points; MSU); 39-35 (4 points; YSU).

This terrible season had its share of close games, but what makes it worse is it was lead into by a 6-5 season in which we had a playoff at-large within the realm of possibility going into the final game of the season. We lost that game against SDSU 25-24 and finished the season 6-5. Had we won and gone 7-4 it was possible NDSU could have made the playoffs, and that was the talk of the town going into that SDSU game. Very crushing when we failed to make it happen, and only by 1 point---a successful 2 pt conversion on SDSUs part in the last 3 minutes of the game. 2008, the year the Jacks crushed our dreams, was our first year of playoff eligibility. In 2007, our final year of transition, we beat 2 FBS teams, including a 30 point victory over that years MAC champion and went 10-1 for the second time in 2 years.

Like doomsday, we healed our weaknesses and then became even stronger. And look at us now bitches :D.

https://i.imgur.com/eNTCLMG.jpg

[clenz]

When does the crowd funding start?

I’d put money I don’t yet have in the idea it’s already started. If not done

Possibly negotiations with Farley for him to retire into an admin role rather than be bought out.


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[MSUDuo]

Mine certainly has and we're living in it right now. We've gone from 7 or 8 wins every year to being boat raced by anyone with a decent team. This sucks!

No. This is the norm for MO State football in 99% of it's history so I am not sure what rock bottom would look like

[PaladinFan]

This is probably subjective, but I would say Furman hit bottom about 4:30 pm on October 1, 2016. Roughly midway through the second quarter of a home game against Kennesaw State, at that time a brand new program.

The once proud Furman Paladins had gone 7-16 over the last two years. They started 2016 0-4. KSU looked like a needed reprieve on the schedule.

Furman was down 35-0 with 8 minutes remaining in the second quarter. KSU hit a 49 yard pass with seconds to go before halftime to push the deficit to 49-14. 49 points surrendered in two quarters to a new football program. At home.

I believe that unmitigated disaster of a game was the final straw for Bruce Fowler. Furman went 3-8 that year, Fowler was fired, and Clay Hendrix came in and cleaned house. Furman now looks like a completely different football team.

[ST_Lawson]

No. This is the norm for MO State football in 99% of it's history so I am not sure what rock bottom would look like

Looks like '68-'71 was a pretty rough time for you guys, 5 total wins over 4 years...that's probably the roughest stretch for in the post-WWII era that I'm seeing.

[MarkCCU]

At least there's a gathering place for this thread...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180917/0eb6bafe1793d6f90020ee5e937f2362.jpg

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Ever eaten there? I work a block away.


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[ysubigred]

No. This is the norm for MO State football in 99% of it's history so I am not sure what rock bottom would look like
You're team seem pretty rock solid now. YSU no so good xconfusedx

[grizband]

Haha. Can I give rep points on tapatalk?


Ever eaten there? I work a block away.


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I've never figured out a way.

[Southern Bison]

Haha. Can I give rep points on tapatalk?






Ever eaten there? I work a block away.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIt's been almost 20 yrs since I worked above it & in the Odell building.

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[kperk014]

From 1939 to 1963, NDSU had very few winning seasons, and several winless seasons, and NAIA affiliation. Darrell Mudra turned the program around with a 10-1 record in 1964.

Now there's a name! Was Mudra coaching from the press box back then? He tried it at Florida State and lost about 25 games in a row. It worked at Eastern Illinois. I know because he beat North Alabama in the 1980 playoffs.

Edit: I was wrong. Mudra went 4-18 with the Noles. He inherited an 11 game losing streak from Larry Jones who had three good seasons before inexplicably going 0-11. Mudra only kept it going for another 8 games before knocking off Miami who was everyone's choice for homecoming back in those days. He was followed by Bobby Bowden who went 5-6 his first season in Tallahassee. He proceeded to win 299 more at FSU against only 97 losses with 377 total.

[Serpentor]

The era of Todd Whitten and cases of Natural Light.

Ugh..., you've got to give a trigger warning before you say his name! I hear Falco's C Store still mourns the loss of revenue on Fall Saturday nights...

[Ivytalk]

Yes - between 1993 and 1995. It was horrible.

My son and I attended the 1995 Harvard-Colgate game in Hamilton, which the Crimson won 28-8. That was one of Harvard’s 2-8 seasons. The only other game we won that year was Yale on the road. Eion Hu was our stud RB that sorry year. Colgate had this awful old PA announcer who disrupted a Harvard FG attempt by running his yap, and said “hoo, boy” [sic] after one of the many Colgate miscues that day. Good Parents’ Day crowd in town, but most of them never found their way into the stadium.

[MR. CHICKEN]

.......CAN ANYONE...IMAGINE....DAT...DELAWARE....COOD COME UP.....LAST....IN FCS.....PASSIN' ?

[Go...gate]

My son and I attended the 1995 Harvard-Colgate game in Hamilton, which the Crimson won 28-8. That was one of Harvard’s 2-8 seasons. The only other game we won that year was Yale on the road. Eion Hu was our stud RB that sorry year. Colgate had this awful old PA announcer who disrupted a Harvard FG attempt by running his yap, and said “hoo, boy” [sic] after one of the many Colgate miscues that day. Good Parents’ Day crowd in town, but most of them never found their way into the stadium.

That was the nadir. Ironically, I saw several games that year both in Hamilton and on the road. We went 0-11 and President Neil Grabois, and some in the faculty and administration wanted to drop to Division III or end the program altogether. Thankfully, that did not happen.

P.S. The PA announcer was the late Bill Oostenink, a legendary faculty member at Colgate. He did tend to inject his observations and opinions into his PA announcements.

[Go...gate]

.......CAN ANYONE...IMAGINE....DAT...DELAWARE....COOD COME UP.....LAST....IN FCS.....PASSIN' ?

Maybe back in the days of the Wing-T?

[blukeys]

At Delaware we call it hitting BROCK Bottom.

[Ivytalk]

At Delaware we call it hitting BROCK Bottom.
Blookey! LTNS!

[Milktruck74]

No!!!! The Mocs NEVER hit rock bottom. In the late 80s early 90s, we hit a very muddy bottom. A ROCK bottom indicates a bounce back. We never BOUNCED. It took 30 years for us to climb out of the muddy pits. Muddy pit that included a no win season and a loss to a D2 team at home. We were a Basketball school in a basketball city that happened to have a football team....a very talented team that could never live up to expectations...so NO, we never hit ROCK bottom.

[Mattymc727]

Considering I've only been paying attention since 2004, it feels like today.

However, UNH has had plenty of lean years in its long history.

[MR. CHICKEN]

Maybe back in the days of the Wing-T?



.....TUBBY CHUCKED DUH ROCK........ALOT MO' DAN.....DUH TRIPLE-O's......xnodx.....BRAWK!

[Big Dawg]

Yes...yes we have

[BEAR]

Yep.

Clamp Crank's last few years. Yeah we were winning games but the atmosphere was DREADFUL. Tension all around. Anger.

So we sent him to SFA where he proceeded to do the EXACT SAME THING to the Lumberjacks! xlolx:Dxpeacex

[The Boogie Down]

For Fordham 1989-2000 were all pretty horrific. 1994 was exceptionally awful but for the most part (aside from 2005-2006, 2011 and this year) things have been decent enough ever since.



That was the nadir. Ironically, I saw several games that year both in Hamilton and on the road. We went 0-11 and President Neil Grabois, and some in the faculty and administration wanted to drop to Division III or end the program altogether. Thankfully, that did not happen.

P.S. The PA announcer was the late Bill Oostenink, a legendary faculty member at Colgate. He did tend to inject his observations and opinions into his PA announcements.

Random Q but post-Dayton Rule, how did Colgate think they'd drop to D-III? Wouldn't they have had to drop everything to D-III, including what at the time was a very good basketball team featuring Adonal Foyle? Possibly including (but maybe not w/the 1 sport exemption) their celebrated hockey team too. Not sure how dropping to D-III was ever on the table. Same goes for Lafayette which, from what I've read on different threads here, also later debated dropping to D-III.

[Daytripper]

Yep.

Clamp Crank's last few years. Yeah we were winning games but the atmosphere was DREADFUL. Tension all around. Anger.

So we sent him to SFA where he proceeded to do the EXACT SAME THING to the Lumberjacks! xlolx:Dxpeacex

Yep. SFA should have done their homework before that hire.

[ASU33]

Yes...yes we have

I know your pain

[walliver]

Wofford hit rock bottom on 1987 going 1-10.
The coach was fired, and Mike Ayers took over in 1988.

[Vandal03]

Idaho hot rock bottom in September 2008 against Arizona. Idaho lost 70-0 and made national headlines because a new uniform design placed the logo on the players’ butts. Ever since then I wanted Idaho back in the Big Sky.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadspin.com/5046306/idaho-vandals-prefer-their-asses-logo-free/amp

[Twentysix]

Idaho hot rock bottom in September 2008 against Arizona. Idaho lost 70-0 and made national headlines because a new uniform design placed the logo on the players’ butts. Ever since then I wanted Idaho back in the Big Sky.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadspin.com/5046306/idaho-vandals-prefer-their-asses-logo-free/ampButt logos are cool in the big sky?

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[Go...gate]

.....TUBBY CHUCKED DUH ROCK........ALOT MO' DAN.....DUH TRIPLE-O's......xnodx.....BRAWK!

Mr. Chicken, you are, of course, correct. I just needed to think on the subject a bit. Back in the day, UD liked the ground game (and they were good at it - always had a tough offensive line) but they also loved the misdirection plays, and increasingly passed as the years went on. IMO, the first sign of that was Jeff Komlo, who was a fine passer. Scott Brunner was an NFL-caliber QB and Rick Scully was also a very good runner and passer.

[Go...gate]

Princeton was 1-8 in 1973, which many consider the program's lowest point. It took many years, coaches and better recruiting to improve. Princeton did not win an Ivy League Championship again until 1989 under Steve Tosches.

[bulldog10jw]

Yale has had two seasons with only one win, 1983 and 1997 in my lifetime, but rock bottom may have been after a 5-5 season in 2011. They lost to Harvard 45-7 then the head coach was forced to resign when it was revealed that he had lied on his resume.

[DFW HOYA]

Yale has had two seasons with only one win, 1983 and 1997 in my lifetime, but rock bottom may have been after a 5-5 season in 2011. They lost to Harvard 45-7 then the head coach was forced to resign when it was revealed that he had lied on his resume.

That's a low point, but not rock bottom.

Rock bottom is Prairie View in the 1980's playing non-scholarship football in the full scholarship SWAC and losing 80 in a row. Rock bottom is the Columbia band playing the theme to the Mickey Mouse Club instead of its fight song when their own team hit the field, en route to dropping 44 straight. Rock bottom is seeing a program like Boston University shelved to assuage the voracious ego of John Silber.

[Go...gate]

That's a low point, but not rock bottom.

Rock bottom is Prairie View in the 1980's playing non-scholarship football in the full scholarship SWAC and losing 80 in a row. Rock bottom is the Columbia band playing the theme to the Mickey Mouse Club instead of its fight song when their own team hit the field, en route to dropping 44 straight. Rock bottom is seeing a program like Boston University shelved to assuage the voracious ego of John Silber.

That remains outrageous even after all these years. Hofstra dropping football was similarly infuriating.

[Smitty]

WCU went 17-48 during my time in college (2004-2009). It is actually bleaker than that as 9 of those wins happened in the first 2 years. The last 3 years I could count on two hands with fingers to spare. It is nice actually being competitive now although some say we are still at rock bottom until we finally get into the playoffs...

[BEAR]

What's scary is YOUR team..no matter WHO it is...will eventually go 1-11. It happens. It will happen again. xlolx

But we still tailgate....xdrunkyx

[mvfcfan]

Yes. We had a 24 game losing streak and broke it by beating Missouri State. Then after that game we went on to lose 33 straight before breaking it against Western Illinois in 2009. Losing 33 games in a row is 4th all time in D1. So yeah at one point we had lost 57 of our last 58 games.

During those losing streaks we had a couple of memorable losses. We were absolutely destroyed by an NAIA team, St Joseph's who was ranked #1 at the time. We also lost to Quincy 26-20 in OT, who is currently D2, but might have been NAIA at the time (unsure). Quincy only won 3 games that season.

Since then we've had 4 winning seasons, 2 wins over FBS teams, and a playoff win.

We definitely hit rock bottom and I'm a little surprised that the program was able to survive. There were lots of talks back then about dropping football altogether. There are still a few that want to, but the numbers have dwindled a lot.

[DFW HOYA]

We definitely hit rock bottom and I'm a little surprised that the program was able to survive. There were lots of talks back then about dropping football altogether. There are still a few that want to, but the numbers have dwindled a lot.

When does Memorial Stadium get retired?

[NoCoDanny]

For the last 14 years...

[Go...gate]

For Fordham 1989-2000 were all pretty horrific. 1994 was exceptionally awful but for the most part (aside from 2005-2006, 2011 and this year) things have been decent enough ever since.

Random Q but post-Dayton Rule, how did Colgate think they'd drop to D-III? Wouldn't they have had to drop everything to D-III, including what at the time was a very good basketball team featuring Adonal Foyle? Possibly including (but maybe not w/the 1 sport exemption) their celebrated hockey team too. Not sure how dropping to D-III was ever on the table. Same goes for Lafayette which, from what I've read on different threads here, also later debated dropping to D-III.

We had a a couple of Presidents and some faculty that wanted us in the NESCAC along with Williams, Amherst, Tufts, Bowdoin, Bates, Colby, etc. Fortunately, they have moved on.

[344Johnson]

Haven't read the thread at all but NDSU was just terrible for about half of it's existence.

In the modern era, 2008 and 2009 were just painful to watch. Those teams were genuinely bad.

[ST_Lawson]

...
More recent history though, probably the closest was 2008/2009. Coach Don Patterson had struggled for a few years after having a decent amount of success in the early '90s, not like 1 or 0 wins, but like averaging about ~.500 record. Coach P was also diagnosed with tonsillar cancer in 2008 and was fighting that. Because of his health situation, OC Mark Hendrickson served as acting head coach for the first seven games of the 2008 season, going 5-2. Patterson came back later in the season and we went 1-3 the rest of the season. Then, after going 1-2 the first 3 games of 2009, the administration decided to fire Patterson and have Hendrickson be the acting HC. Problem is, the way they went about it was stupid...essentially told Coach P that he would step down because of health concerns, but not really giving him a choice in the matter (http://www.wiu.edu/news/newsrelease.php?release_id=7554). Because of how it was handled, Patterson was able to sue the university for discrimination. It was eventually settled out of court, but it was a huge black eye on our administration (http://www.wgem.com/story/12913431/patterson-settles-with-wiu-says-i-was-victim-of-discrimination).
Coach Hendrickson went 0-8 the rest of that season, but then went 8-5 the following year with Coach P's players (winning at Coastal Carolina in the first round of the playoffs, then a loss at App State in the snow). 5 wins over the next 2 years caused Hendrickson to be out as HC.

I don't fault Hendrickson because he took over what was practically a no-win scenario (both literally in terms of the rest of the season and figuratively because of the overall "mood" of the program). He's a great person, got out of coaching after he was let go but is still in the area as the director of our campus Wesley Foundation. Coach Patterson recovered from his battle with cancer and got back into coaching as a QB coach at Buffalo, then working with his former assistant coach Bob Diaco when Diaco was HC at UConn. Patterson retired on his own terms after the 2015 football season.

Because of the way Patterson was let go (who was really well-liked), we had a couple of years of pretty bad football, but more importantly, it really burned a lot of bridges with football alumni and fans from some of our best years of the late '90s and early 00's. This was eventually somewhat repaired by Coach Charlie Fisher reaching out and inviting Coach P and many of the football alumni back to campus for our spring games. While not as bad as many team's "rock bottom" situations, it was a time that many of us were not particularly proud of our institution and our football program. It also likely cost the program quite a bit in terms of money, from the rumored $1M+ lawsuit settlement payment, to the missed donations from successful football alumni who might have helped to support things like the renovation of our aging west side of the football stadium.

And a follow-up to this. Because of the bridges that were repaired by Coach Fisher and Coach Elliott, we can have that connection to some of the great Leatherneck teams of the past once again. Coach Patterson was present at Saturday's game against Northern Iowa and spoke to the team afterwards.

https://twitter.com/WIUfootball/status/1056587201973284865

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Yes, this year! I have never seen a Lehigh team completely quit. Lehigh has had some disappointing years but they were always competitive and usually in the mix when it came to the league. This year has been a complete disaster. It's similar to the end of the Bobby Wallace era at Temple. The team and program has basically shutdown.

[Neighbor2]

Yes, this year! I have never seen a Lehigh team completely quit. Lehigh has had some disappointing years but they were always competitive and usually in the mix when it came to the league. This year has been a complete disaster. It's similar to the end of the Bobby Wallace era at Temple. The team and program has basically shutdown.

Right about Lehigh. I attended my first Lehigh home game in 1963. I can't remember a Lehigh team this bad, nor a coaching staff so incapable and disconnected. That team always played hard and hit hard. It also used a more complex playbook and had the ability quickly change the attack from one opponent to the next. Offense and defense.

This is a real low point. Don't think making a few tweaks here and there will cut it. I believe a full overhaul is required. But these days, one has to ask "Is the school concerned enough to do anything meaningful about this decline?" I'm afraid the answer is no.

[Bisonoline]

Haven't read the thread at all but NDSU was just terrible for about half of it's existence.

In the modern era, 2008 and 2009 were just painful to watch. Those teams were genuinely bad.

NDSU has only had 3 losing seasons since 1964. So being bad is relative to history and expectations.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Right about Lehigh. I attended my first Lehigh home game in 1963. I can't remember a Lehigh team this bad, nor a coaching staff so incapable and disconnected. That team always played hard and hit hard. It also used a more complex playbook and had the ability quickly change the attack from one opponent to the next. Offense and defense.

This is a real low point. Don't think making a few tweaks here and there will cut it. I believe a full overhaul is required. But these days, one has to ask "Is the school concerned enough to do anything meaningful about this decline?" I'm afraid the answer is no.

I go back to the end of the Taylor Stadium era.

If the staff is shown the door then I think the answer is a resounding YES. Lehigh is the only school in the PL where I can see the entire coaching staff being canned after back-2-back PL Titles and 3 straight wins over Lafayette. Should that happen then I think the school/AD clearly care.

[Schism55]

This thread could be directed to at least 3, maybe 5 Patriot League teams?

[ngineer]

Lehigh. Yup multiple times.
And one of the rockiest of bottoms may be occurring now. Last time Lehigh was this putrid was the mid-1960's

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

And one of the rockiest of bottoms may be occurring now. Last time Lehigh was this putrid was the mid-1960's

In the 1-AA/FCS era nothing comes close to this year! xsmhx

[fmftballmgr]

At Murray we have had more down years than we have good years. We had a period from 95-02 where we were top of the conference but since then we have been teased by a couple 5-6 season but they fall back down. We had the first meaningful game yesterday in 16 years It showed we had untimely penalties that killed our drives or kept JSU going.

[PAllen]

Lehigh may not be there yet, but we're falling fast and I hope that's rock bottom I see coming up at us fast.

[Go Lehigh TU Owl]

Lehigh may not be there yet, but we're falling fast and I hope that's rock bottom I see coming up at us fast.

Rock Bottom will officially be getting embarrassed at home by Colgate (your arch nemesis) then losing by 3 TD's to Lafayette (your arch rival) to conclude a 1-10 season. The worst in program history.

Lehigh is 6-2 against both of them this decade :(

[lionsrking2]

We are well on our way. Prospects for a rebound are not good.

[AggieFinn]

Ron Gould Era...

[bonarae]

Harvard is very, very close to have its first losing season since the early years of the Murphy era.

[HAL_9000]

I'll see you that and raise you the UNI perspective

Since the start of 2012 we have

Blown 2 or 3 FBS wins
Blown about 17 FCS wins
Been under .500 after week 5 4 times
Have zero conference titles
Have missed the playoffs half of the time
Have zero trips past the quarterfinals
Have just 1 trip to the quarterfinals
Have played on Thanksgiving weekend every playoff appearance
Likely out of the playoffs this year
At an all time low for season ticket holders
Have lower and lower average attendance each season
Have people (including me) calculating coaches buy outs and when they drop and by how much



This kind of stretch is damn near unprecedented at UNI in the FCS era. If this isn't rock bottom for UNI football I don't want to see what it really is.

Let me take a crack at it.

UNI was the most popular prettiest girl in school, head cheerleader, star athlete, prom queen, honors program....you get the drift. All was well and good untill SDSU showed up and boy was she a "looker" turned all the boys heads. So that's pretty bad, but it gets worse SDSU has a sister named NDSU that is twice as hot as SDSU maybe the prettiest in the land so the two new sisters get ALL of the attention.

UNI, has an Identity crisis, she remembers when people used to fawn all over her and there's a part of her that resents those sisters moving to her school. To be honest probably all the programs in the MVFC resent the xDSUs, we had a pretty good thing going and have upped our collective game...but none of the schools are FLAGSHIP universities like the Dakotas, it's become real hard to keep up.

[Evolution Prime]

SDSU's was 1918 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota_State_Jackrabbits_football).

[Schism55]

Let me take a crack at it.

UNI was the most popular prettiest girl in school, head cheerleader, star athlete, prom queen, honors program....you get the drift. All was well and good untill SDSU showed up and boy was she a "looker" turned all the boys heads. So that's pretty bad, but it gets worse SDSU has a sister named NDSU that is twice as hot as SDSU maybe the prettiest in the land so the two new sisters get ALL of the attention.

UNI, has an Identity crisis, she remembers when people used to fawn all over her and there's a part of her that resents those sisters moving to her school. To be honest probably all the programs in the MVFC resent the xDSUs, we had a pretty good thing going and have upped our collective game...but none of the schools are FLAGSHIP universities like the Dakotas, it's become real hard to keep up.
This made me laugh, hard!
/hi-10

[Kemo]

SDSU's was 1918 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota_State_Jackrabbits_football).
That was a long fall in the trenches of Europe.

[cx500d]

SDSU's was 1918 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota_State_Jackrabbits_football).

The 1980’s were pretty bad too


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[SochorField]

Ron Gould Era...

Absolutely.
31-58 .348 winning %
For a program that once had 32 straight winning seasons.

[ngineer]

I envision a station wagon (okay an SUV for today's vernacular) full of young Lehigh fan's yelling to Joe Sterrett behind the wheel..."Hey, Dad, are we there,yet?!"

[Gangtackle11]

Check back with me in 3 weeks........xpeacex

[vutomcat]

Saturday was the most disappointing effort I can recall and I've been watching the Cats since Terry Baker and the Liberty Bowl.

This season makes no sense. After the Temple win, you had to think the playoffs were very probable. A couple of tough losses to Towson and Stony Brook where the defense took a couple quarters off were troublesome, but things happen. Flacco was great. Zach went down against Stony Brook. No problem.


Saturday almost all the injured came back. You had to think the Cats were going to handle the worst UNH team in years. But, NO!


GT- you questioned the coaching last year when the injury bug may have hidden the real problem. Maybe it's injuries again. You can still make that argument since Jeff Steeb and Ryan Bell were still out. I think Steeb played a couple of snaps but that's it. One could argue they are the best offensive and defensive players on the team.


P.S. It will have to get real bad on the Main Line to exceed 1981' bottom.

I may skip the William and Mary game. What a mess!

[Gangtackle11]

Saturday was the most disappointing effort I can recall and I've been watching the Cats since Terry Baker and the Liberty Bowl.

This season makes no sense. After the Temple win, you had to think the playoffs were very probable. A couple of tough losses to Towson and Stony Brook where the defense took a couple quarters off were troublesome, but things happen. Flacco was great. Zach went down against Stony Brook. No problem.


Saturday almost all the injured came back. You had to think the Cats were going to handle the worst UNH team in years. But, NO!


GT- you questioned the coaching last year when the injury bug may have hidden the real problem. Maybe it's injuries again. You can still make that argument since Jeff Steeb and Ryan Bell were still out. I think Steeb played a couple of snaps but that's it. One could argue they are the best offensive and defensive players on the team.


P.S. It will have to get real bad on the Main Line to exceed 1981' bottom.

I may skip the William and Mary game. What a mess!

Injuries happen to every team. Not every team appears to give up because of them. 71-0 the last 2 games. 16 points scored in the past 3.5 games. If you go to a lot of games you know the offense is very predictable.

Defense has just been left on the field too long. I’ve been around since the Mike Siani days. Do you think this team will score double-digits again this season? Maybe in the 3 total. It will turn again. When is the question. Can’t see well heeled football alum & AD waiting too long after that showing on Saturday. xpeacex

[vutomcat]

It's ugly. Ferrante has been there so long I can't see them pulling the trigger on him too quickly but I watched Jackson walk off the field at halftime with his children and his face was really tight. It appears the coach has lost the team. :(

Let's hope we are both wrong and there is something else going on.

[Go Green]

Injuries happen to every team.

All except one.

https://www.vnews.com/Dartmouth-football-notebook-21098489

*Knock wood*

[Go Green]

A Cornell fan has had enough.

https://cornellsun.com/2018/10/29/guest-column-after-66-0-drubbing-its-time-for-cornell-to-invest-in-higher-profile-athletics/

And he's got a point. Losing 66-0 to a league rival sure is in "rock bottom" territory.

[clenz]

Our AD flat refuses to comment on the football program. That's how bad it's gotten.

He appeared on his weekly segment on UNIs daily radio show. The guy that does the show can hardly talk he's got so much of Farley in his mouth. He was trying to do his spine takes and talk about how impressive youngsr guys were and the fight and this and that. Our AD flat said no comment or deflected about how important it is that he goes to road games as a show of support for players and fans to build a stronger bond.


Yeah

When your AD reaches that point, it's safe to say you've hit bottom.

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[JSUSoutherner]

Our AD flat refuses to comment on the football program. That's how bad it's gotten.

He appeared on his weekly segment on UNIs daily radio show. The guy that does the show can hardly talk he's got so much of Farley in his mouth. He was trying to do his spine takes and talk about how impressive youngsr guys were and the fight and this and that. Our AD flat said no comment or deflected about how important it is that he goes to road games as a show of support for players and fans to build a stronger bond.


Yeah

When your AD reaches that point, it's safe to say you've hit bottom.

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But did you lose to SEMO?

[clenz]

May as well have

Couldn't make me, or most of the fan base, care about football any less at this point.

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[Sader87]

Yeah, UNI has really "bottomed out" at 4-4 this year xdrunkyx

[GoBlueHens83]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=29407&stc=1

We sure have.

I know a few of my fellow UD fans have already posted about the Brock years, they were pretty bad.

Highlights of the Brock years include:
-Losing at home to Jacksonville
-Losing at home to Sacred Heart
-Giving up 62 points at Maine
-Losing 62-0 at Pitt. (I know it's an FBS loss, but still.)
-Getting shut out at Towson & Rhode Island in the same season
-Having an offensive game plan that made you think the forward pass was still an illegal play.
-Having an overall record of 19-22 (11-16)

[bluehenbillk]

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=29407&stc=1

We sure have.

I know a few of my fellow UD fans have already posted about the Brock years, they were pretty bad.

Highlights of the Brock years include:
-Losing at home to Jacksonville
-Losing at home to Sacred Heart
-Giving up 62 points at Maine
-Losing 62-0 at Pitt. (I know it's an FBS loss, but still.)
-Getting shut out at Towson & Rhode Island in the same season
-Having an offensive game plan that made you think the forward pass was still an illegal play.
-Having an overall record of 19-22 (11-16)


UGGGGHHH. I didn't need to see that picture first thing in the morning. Dude was in over his head. Trying to crawl out of the hole he dug for the program now. At least he let Henzone follow him around like a kid with a new puppy, but no one else was happy...

[UD77]

When going for my MBA we were often assigned case studies from Harvard Business School. They should add a new case studied .... UD - how to destroy a FB program. From the day that President Harker came into his position, it would appear his goal was to destroy the program. Unfortunately for him there was a coach in place that came up with some really good teams every so often (2003, 2007, 2010 and multiple years of playoffs). So Harker does an end around, let's out roll out (multipe) stadium upgrade info (no intention of really doing it), let's implement much higher reserved parking fees, let's hire a security group that had a goal of keeping our fans in their place (hey no noise allowed here!), Let's make sure that students don't come to the game by shutting down their tailgates (have security monitor them constantly), if that doesn't drive down attendance, let's double the cost of tickets through a licensing plan. If that doesn't work let's start talking about how transfers are really bad people and we should never allow them on the team. (Of course that flies in the face of some really outstanding transfers to UD). And if that doesn't work, let's bring in a new AD that apparently as part of the acceptance process is to fire the coach that had been to three NC games in 11 years (only took a month one year removed from a NC game). If that doesn't work we will say we are doing a nation wide search and come up with Coach Brock after about a week. Let's tell Brock that he is not allowed take a transfer but if you have to break that rule let's find one's that can't really help the team (replace a QB that lead to UD being the last in passing in the entire FCS. The outcome of this process. Attendance went from about 21,500 (consistently top three in FCS) to about 15,000 now. Season ticket holders from about 11,500 (may have been 12,000) to about 7,500 now. Eight years without making a playoff game. So it really wasn't just Brock but a well executed plan by Ex-President Harker (if you want to feel really good - this guy now works at Federal Reserve) to make UD football irrelevant. Actually after writing this I see that Harker was a genius he accomplished his goal (he did do a nice job of building new building that improve the education at UD but we all know that is secondary to FB).

From a FB fan standpoint I am extremely happy with our new President, AD and Coach. All the bad mentioned above is being corrected, repaired and we are starting to see the results.

[neverobeyed]

January 1st, 2019, is circled on the calendar.


Any UNI fan that doesn’t know the significance of that date is blind and part of the problem.


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And .... here we are, January 3rd. FFS.

[MSUDuo]

God, I sure hope so. If this isn't rock bottom, I don't know what is.